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| sheeprine_ | huats: Ready for meeting? | 14:11 |
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| huats | I am ! | 14:11 |
| sheeprine_ | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 4 14:11:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:11 |
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| sheeprine_ | We'll quickly talk about latest release and what's next. We need to define design summit focus too. | 14:12 |
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| sheeprine_ | #topic 0.5.0 Release | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "0.5.0 Release (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:13 | |
| sheeprine_ | Quick notes about 0.5.0 release. It's the one and only for this cycle and the one that will be shipped with the Mitaka release. | 14:14 |
| sheeprine_ | Main new features are the support of gnocchi to retrieve it's data from. And a way to store data directly related to gnocchi. | 14:14 |
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| sheeprine_ | Notable changes are code coverage and bug fixes. | 14:16 |
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| sheeprine_ | We've improved code testing a lot. Which is a good thing when you are handling data that will ends up in client bills ;) | 14:17 |
| zhangkepi | what is gnocchi, I am newer | 14:17 |
| sheeprine_ | gnocchi is a timeseries database service | 14:17 |
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| sheeprine_ | It similar to influxdb or cassandra in some ways | 14:18 |
| sheeprine_ | It stores metrics and can attach metadata to them | 14:18 |
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| sheeprine_ | It got designed to replace the main storage of ceilometer which is slow due to its design. | 14:19 |
| sheeprine_ | That's why we are adding support to it. In the end you'll have metrics about your cloud and related prices stored in the same backend and accessible with the same API. | 14:20 |
| zhangkepi | oh, got it | 14:20 |
| sheeprine_ | great | 14:20 |
| sheeprine_ | Does anyone got any questions or point that I missed? | 14:21 |
| sheeprine_ | (about the latest release) | 14:21 |
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| sheeprine_ | I guess it's a no then. Let's keep going. | 14:22 |
| sheeprine_ | #topic Next focus | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next focus (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:22 | |
| sheeprine_ | Ok let's talk about what will come next in CloudKitty. | 14:22 |
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| sheeprine_ | We'll improve gnocchi support and modify gnocchi storage backend to store data directly in gnocchi. | 14:23 |
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| sheeprine_ | I plan to work on this with the help of the nubeliu guys asap. | 14:24 |
| sheeprine_ | Next we need to improve our data model. It's pretty obscure for newcomers. | 14:24 |
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| sheeprine_ | I've got a patch that I'll send in review in a few days which basically implement a way to create datamodel on the fly in CK. | 14:25 |
| sheeprine_ | It'll help modules exposes it's internal datamodel and autogenerate docs from the API. | 14:26 |
| maxstack | will the docs be updated from kilo soon? | 14:26 |
| sheeprine_ | Yes we need to improve the CloudKitty docs. Some parts are outdated, like the keystone auth configuration. | 14:26 |
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| sheeprine_ | We'll try to work with users on what's lacking and what is needed. Because most of the developpers are contributing to the docs, and sometimes it's hard to see painpoints from this perspective. | 14:27 |
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| huats | that is something that can be discussed in Austin | 14:28 |
| sheeprine_ | Next focus will be storage drivers. We'll revamp a new version of our own custom storage with the support of custom onthefly resources. Which will greatly improve performances. | 14:29 |
| sheeprine_ | I'm still open to requests if you have ideas you are willing to contribute. | 14:29 |
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| maxstack | is there a ceph storage driver in progress, or are you relying on using gnocchi for that feature? | 14:30 |
| sheeprine_ | Do you means storing cloudkitty data in ceph or querying ceph to get usage reports? | 14:31 |
| maxstack | storing cloudkitty data in ceph | 14:31 |
| sheeprine_ | It's not something we are thinking about. We'll still use sqlalchemy to store our data, or gnocchi if available. | 14:32 |
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| huats | maxstack: what would be the interest ? | 14:32 |
| sheeprine_ | If we want to implement ceph storage, we'll mostly reimplement gnocchi. | 14:32 |
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| huats | to store internal datas ? or to store the reports that are produced ? | 14:33 |
| maxstack | no real use, i forgot that gnocchi will be holding all the data from cloud | 14:33 |
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| sheeprine_ | #topic austin summit | 14:36 |
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| sheeprine_ | Next topic Austin summit. It's 3 weeks away, we should start talk about what we'll discuss there. | 14:37 |
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| sheeprine_ | We've got one fishbowl session. | 14:38 |
| sheeprine_ | It's a good way to talk about next features, draft some stuff and possibly get feedbacks. | 14:39 |
| sheeprine_ | I didn't requested a working room as most of the features are already drafted and beeing done. | 14:39 |
| sheeprine_ | And for some informal meetings we can still use the design summit lounge space. | 14:40 |
| sheeprine_ | There is more and more projects and I want every people to have a chance to get session time. | 14:40 |
| sheeprine_ | Does anyone have a specific idea about what should be discussed during this session? | 14:41 |
| sheeprine_ | Ok we'll discuss this later then. | 14:43 |
| sheeprine_ | #topic last thoughts | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last thoughts (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:43 | |
| sheeprine_ | If anyone has something to say or ask it's now :) | 14:43 |
| maxstack | will the cloudkittydashboard 0.5.0 release have price listing in the new instance creation wizard? | 14:43 |
| sheeprine_ | We're working on the dashboard integration. | 14:45 |
| sheeprine_ | The pricing listing during creation is beeing added to the mitaka dialiog. It'll ship in 0.5.1 or so | 14:46 |
| sheeprine_ | But it'll be definitly be part of 0.5.X, we'll try to find a way with a release team to integrate it back in the mitaka release. | 14:46 |
| sheeprine_ | But it means that the upstream mitaka version will not have support for this feature for a few weeks. | 14:47 |
| sheeprine_ | upstream 0.5.X version will have it | 14:47 |
| maxstack | ok good to hear its in the roadmap | 14:47 |
| maxstack | I noticed you now have stable/mitaka branches in github, will there be stable/liberty branches added too? | 14:47 |
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| sheeprine_ | We can't have liberty branches as we were not part of the release. | 14:48 |
| sheeprine_ | We'll try implement backward compatible releases | 14:49 |
| sheeprine_ | Like gnocchi is doing, they have more flexible requirements which means they can support older releases | 14:49 |
| sheeprine_ | But regarding the horizon support... It's really tricky | 14:49 |
| sheeprine_ | The ways to integrate with Horizon change every cycle. | 14:49 |
| sheeprine_ | So every cycle you need to do changes that will break compatibility with previous version. | 14:50 |
| sheeprine_ | We'll try to see if we can find a way to support this. | 14:50 |
| sheeprine_ | More questions? | 14:51 |
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| sheeprine_ | We're nearly out of time. I guess that's it. If you have more questions, I'm available in the #cloudkitty channel. | 14:53 |
| sheeprine_ | Thanks everyone. | 14:53 |
| sheeprine_ | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 4 14:53:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-04-04-14.11.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-04-04-14.11.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-04-04-14.11.log.html | 14:53 |
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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 4 16:02:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:02 |
| jklare | hi sc` | 16:02 |
| jklare | :) | 16:02 |
| sc` | howdy! | 16:02 |
| jklare | i have a topic i wanna talk about | 16:03 |
| sc` | #chair jklare | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jklare sc` | 16:03 |
| jklare | the 2 working sessions and the fishbowl one we have at the austin summit | 16:03 |
| jklare | #topic sessions in austin | 16:03 |
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| jklare | sooo | 16:04 |
| jklare | as stated in the mails from ttx, we got all the sessions we wanted and now have to fill them | 16:04 |
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| sc` | woot | 16:04 |
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| jklare | i think we need at least one of the working sessions to do the actual release work for all the projects | 16:05 |
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| markvan | hi | 16:05 |
| jklare | hi markvan | 16:05 |
| sc` | speaking of, my plans are confirmed for austin. i'll be there | 16:05 |
| jklare | sc thats great | 16:05 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:06 |
| jklare | imo we should use the fishbowl one to try to get some feedback on all the refactored stuff | 16:06 |
| jklare | if we announce it early enough with a great title | 16:06 |
| jklare | we might even get some people in :D | 16:06 |
| sc` | for sure. i've heard a couple of "i've seen something about that" but nobody has really seemed to bang around on it in depth. if they are, they aren't talking | 16:06 |
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| jklare | i could put some slides together as a introduction to all the refactoring we have done | 16:07 |
| jklare | so we can use them to explain what we did and ask people for their opinion | 16:07 |
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| sc` | sounds good to me | 16:07 |
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| jklare | but we need an amazing title | 16:08 |
| jklare | how about "The best OpenStack deployment tool got even better!" | 16:08 |
| jklare | :) | 16:08 |
| jklare | might at least provoke "some" feedback | 16:09 |
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| sc` | that is catchy :D | 16:09 |
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| sc` | i sort of see the cookbooks as filling one of the needs to provide a nearly production-ready deployment system without *too* much fussing with it. approaching it from that angle may be good, so as to not directly take puppet head on | 16:10 |
| jklare | ;) | 16:11 |
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| sc` | for example, in my own deployment, i haven't had to diverge a significant amount from how the branch exists upstream. my team has wrapped a lot of stuff around those cookbooks, but the core is mostly the same as github | 16:12 |
| jklare | how about "The Biggest Loser - Running to production with OpenStack Chef" | 16:12 |
| markvan | yeah, the "wrapping" ability is a strong point to make. It was just a bit harder to wrap/extend this in the past | 16:12 |
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| jklare | we are nearly finished with our first beta mitaka deployment on xenial and just have to wrap the original upstream cookbooks | 16:13 |
| sc` | markvan: yeah. we've had to contort the wrappers a bit in some cases (like when i added a hacked up server-apache.rb) | 16:13 |
| sc` | jklare: nice! | 16:14 |
| jklare | i think i had enough coffee for today... | 16:14 |
| sc` | i'm just getting started | 16:14 |
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| jklare | so markvan any ideas on that title for the fishbowl session= | 16:15 |
| jklare | ? | 16:15 |
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| jklare | should we do something provokative to get more people in? | 16:15 |
| jklare | or rather go with something like "Your opinion on the all new and shiny OpenStack Mitaka chef cookbook" | 16:16 |
| sc` | j^2: you lurking? any ideas? | 16:16 |
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| markvan | this has really be a revolution of the older cookbooks, so something like "Revolution in OpenStack deployment, Do you agree?" | 16:17 |
| jklare | less provokative but also catchy :) | 16:18 |
| sc` | indeed. that is one way to approach it | 16:18 |
| sc` | because it really is | 16:18 |
| sc` | and people are going to get blindsided after liberty | 16:18 |
| jklare | and its more obvious that it is a feedback session | 16:18 |
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| calbers | i would put "Next Level Deployment" also in it :D | 16:19 |
| sc` | it hurts me to say this, but "the next generation of deploying openstack" | 16:20 |
| calbers | but i agree with marks | 16:20 |
| calbers | hehe | 16:20 |
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| sc` | unrelated: the jenkins jobs still "succeed", despite converge failing | 16:21 |
| markvan | bring on the Trek'ers....next generation ;) | 16:21 |
| sc` | because the logs successfully save, the job "succeeds" | 16:21 |
| jklare | ^^ | 16:21 |
| jklare | if we get all the Trek'ers in, we might need a bigger room | 16:22 |
| jklare | but well | 16:22 |
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| sc` | gotta nerd it up somehow ;) | 16:22 |
| jklare | how about "Living the refactoring dream and still going to production with OpenStack Chef" | 16:23 |
| jklare | since we had this super big discussion about refactoring cycles and stuff | 16:23 |
| jklare | and instead of talking about it, we actually went for it :) | 16:24 |
| jklare | i mean some other projects did too | 16:24 |
| jklare | but still | 16:24 |
| sc` | the refactoring was indeed a major undertaking, and it seems to be working so far, even if i can't build openstack in ci | 16:25 |
| jklare | sc` did not have the time in the last weeks to look at it, but we are using the upstream cookbooks from master and can build a real multi node openstack setup | 16:25 |
| jklare | so might be related to packaging | 16:26 |
| sc` | however, with my repo and common changes, the logs are properly saved pass or fail. it just always "passes", even if converge fails. i'm thinking that's a jenkins artifact | 16:26 |
| sc` | i'm convinced it's packaging | 16:26 |
| sc` | mysql for trusty seems to be a bug that isn't fixed until xenial | 16:26 |
| sc` | centos is a python dependency. i'm going to bump rdo again to latest and see what happens | 16:26 |
| jklare | so, wanna sleep over all the topic suggestions and decide tomorrow evening(EU)/morning(USA) | 16:27 |
| jklare | ? | 16:27 |
| sc` | again, many, many, many, many apologies for spamming the hell out of the channel with all my patches, but we can get everything we need out of ci with them | 16:27 |
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| sc` | i do like the refactoring one, jklare | 16:28 |
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| jklare | i would give j^2 the chance to also think about it and push some suggestions | 16:29 |
| sc` | maybe: "Living the dream: refactoring and still going to production with OpenStack & Chef" | 16:29 |
| jklare | he is usually quite good with that stuff :) | 16:29 |
| sc` | yeah. that's why i wanted to solicit his input :) | 16:30 |
| jklare | so imho we can decide tomorrow | 16:30 |
| sc` | +1 | 16:30 |
| jklare | cool | 16:32 |
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| jklare | nothing else from my side | 16:32 |
| jklare | :) | 16:32 |
| markvan | sc`: as for the ci passing when pass fails, I think we need to save the chef client rc and then return that at the end of the job to keep jenkins happy | 16:32 |
| sc` | markvan: maybe i can put it in the rescue part then | 16:33 |
| sc` | i'll poke at it and see what happens | 16:34 |
| markvan | sc`: yeah, something like that should work | 16:34 |
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| sc` | that's pretty much all i have | 16:36 |
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| sc` | i probably have one or two more patches in this case. gives me a little more to chew on | 16:37 |
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| sc` | alright, with that said. i'll give back 20 minutes unless anyone has anything more | 16:40 |
| jklare | nope, thanks for the 20 | 16:40 |
| sc` | see you on the channel! | 16:40 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 4 16:40:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-04-16.02.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-04-16.02.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-04-16.02.log.html | 16:40 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 4 17:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| jroll | hi everyone :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #chair NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| alineb | o/ | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | I may have to run off for a few minutes during this, so you two be ready to take over :) | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | that... is apparently now | 17:01 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: mind running this? | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | I can Just wrapping up a internal meeting | 17:01 |
| * jlvillal thinks dtantsur also loves to run meetings ;) | 17:02 | |
| NobodyCam | morning all | 17:02 |
| * jroll apologizes, bbi 10-15 | 17:02 | |
| mkovacik | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal runs the worlds fastest meetings :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | lol | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | as always the agenda can be found at : | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:02 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | o/ | 17:03 |
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| thiagop | lol | 17:03 |
| cdearborn | \o | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic announcements | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:04 | |
| NobodyCam | Summit is just around the cornor | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | lots of good Ideas on the etherpad: | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-summit | 17:05 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | looks like the 15th is our cut off | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | please take a minute to review and add your thoughts and priorites | 17:06 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | I've just added a new topic | 17:07 |
| thiagop | Some of the topics are without proposer. If you were the proposer, please, put you name into it :) | 17:07 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | line 82 | 17:07 |
| rloo | NobodyCam, what does the cut off mean? That people can comment up til then, or that ironic needs to provide the summit info. | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | do we have a final session count? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | we do, but I don't remember it :) should be on the ML | 17:07 |
| thiagop | NobodyCam: I think jroll sent a PDF with all sessions | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: I believe we will need to finilize our sessions by then | 17:07 |
| thiagop | session rooms* | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | I think it is about scheduling the room and sessions. | 17:08 |
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| thiagop | and time slots | 17:08 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: ok, so maybe we want people's feedback by the 14th? | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | thiagop: yes and if I recall Wednesday was our BIG day | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: ++ yes! | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | any other Announcements I am missing? | 17:09 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we have 14 topics already, don't we? | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | about that 13 /14 | 17:11 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then lets move on to SUbteam status reports | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam Status | 17:12 |
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| NobodyCam | of course status can be found on hte white board: | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | around line 105 | 17:13 |
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| NobodyCam | while folks take look, seems the gate is stable again :) | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Thanks TheJulia for fixing the latest issue :) | 17:14 |
| mgould | TheJulia++ | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur, wrt bugs. I haven't been looking. are the new bugs related to new features? | 17:15 |
| TheJulia | no problem :) | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur, and are the bugs coming in faster than they are being resolved? | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | jlvillal: I see the note about the grenade testing, any more thoughts on how thats comming along? | 17:16 |
| mat128 | rloo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1555725 | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555725 in Ironic "Node will crash if another OneView user removes the Server Profile of the node" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sinval (sinvalneto01) | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, 1. no, 2. yes | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yuck. | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | NobodyCam: I can add a little more detail. | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | we have a separate counter for wishlist things. some untriaged rfe's might get to the list of bugs, but many of them are actual bugs | 17:17 |
| rloo | mat128: ? | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | jlvillal: awesome thank you :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | jroll, when you're back: we should probably start giving updates to things where "newton" is written currently :) | 17:17 |
| mat128 | you were asking for bugs related to new features, I saw some OneView stuff recently | 17:17 |
| rloo | dtantsur: the 26 high bugs concern me. | 17:17 |
| mat128 | I might be totally off, just went off by the title | 17:17 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, they should.. | 17:18 |
| * devananda runs in late, wondering why his calendar notifications didn't go off for this meeting | 17:18 | |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: is the increased bug reporting rate due to the fact that we cut a release and folks are testing that? | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, I'd say, due to increasing adoption of ironic | 17:18 |
| mgould | devananda, DST change? | 17:18 |
| rloo | mat128: oh. yeah, i am not surprised if there are bugs related to new features, just wondering how many were due to new :) | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | e.g. a lot of things reported by Mirantis folks | 17:18 |
| mat128 | Ahhh :P my bad | 17:18 |
| devananda | possibly? | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: :) thats actually really awesome them :) | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | then* | 17:19 |
| rama_y_ | o/ | 17:19 |
| rloo | mat128: no worries. | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | any other questions on the subteam status | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | yes | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | several sections are empty right now, any updates on them? | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | I saw several no-update ones | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | actually nearly all are empty, counting also ones stating "newton" :) | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | is lintan here? | 17:21 |
| * dtantsur removed everything mentioning netwon, cause newton is going on right now | 17:21 | |
| jlvillal | Shanghai time is 1:21am | 17:21 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: jroll had to run this morning would you have a update for Multi compute hosts? | 17:22 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: none here | 17:22 |
| devananda | I think jroll is coordinating with the nova team to arrange for a joint session in Austin, but I don't have details yet | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | I dont see lucas or lintan for live upgrade | 17:23 |
| devananda | (that session also might be for the network discussion) | 17:23 |
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| mgould | lucas is on vacation, IIRC | 17:23 |
| rloo | wasn't there some email discussion about docs? | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | ah thats right he is | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: do you have ref's to add there? | 17:24 |
| sambetts | devananda: there is a couple of sessions we're disucssing for the networking intergration, a cross project ironic/neutron/nova session to disucss the future of networking in Ironic and then we've got a neutron/ironic session planned for the neutron track for disucssing vlan aware instances | 17:24 |
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| NobodyCam | krotscheck: any updates for web Ui? | 17:24 |
| rloo | NobodyCam, no, i saw it in passing. hmm, let me see if i can find it although it may take many minutes. | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: ack thank you :) | 17:25 |
| sambetts | L32 -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 17:25 |
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| sambetts | Number 12 -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 17:25 |
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| devananda | sambetts: sounds good | 17:27 |
| jroll | I'm back, so sorry | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | hey hey jroll | 17:27 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: here's part of the thread where jroll commented on doc plugin: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090274.html | 17:27 |
| jroll | multi compute stuff - no session at the summit, we know what we need to do | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | any update on for the doc section of subteam status | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:28 |
| rloo | I mean, jroll would like a doc plugin for our install guide to be included with the 'official' documentation. | 17:28 |
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| jroll | I've got no (coherent) update on docs right now | 17:28 |
| jroll | s/coherent/substantial/ maybe :) | 17:28 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: just added the link rloo posted tothe doc for folks to look at | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: Thank you :) | 17:29 |
| jroll | cool | 17:29 |
| rloo | thank jroll :) | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: that was prob about the end of subteam | 17:29 |
| jroll | perfect | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | want to jump in for REF stuff? | 17:30 |
| jroll | thanks for the help NobodyCam :) | 17:30 |
| jroll | yep | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | RFE* :p | 17:30 |
| jroll | #topic RFE review | 17:30 |
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| jroll | just one today | 17:30 |
| jroll | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1561137 | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561137 in Ironic "[RFE] Add support for operators on root device hints" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Lucas Alvares Gomes (lucasagomes) | 17:30 |
| jroll | lucas is out today, but I figure we could look at this anyway | 17:30 |
| jroll | I think I'm okay without a spec on this, does anyone disagree? | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | +1 for just doing it | 17:31 |
| mat128 | +1 Looks fairly trivial | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | I'd prefer "notin" over "ni" | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | +1 | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | besides that... :) | 17:31 |
| cdearborn | +1 | 17:31 |
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| jroll | rloo devananda NobodyCam thoughts? :) | 17:31 |
| mat128 | jlvillal: nothing should by default be "eq", like ComputeHostCapabilities filter | 17:32 |
| mat128 | and backwards compat | 17:32 |
| rloo | i think it is fine w/o a spec. my only question is whether the abbreviations he is proposing is 'standard'. | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | mat128: I'm not quite understanding that. | 17:32 |
| mat128 | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/filter_scheduler.html | 17:33 |
| mat128 | maybe we should use that syntax instead? | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I think all of them are standard up to but not including 'in' | 17:33 |
| jroll | good question, https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filters/extra_specs_ops.py | 17:33 |
| rloo | ok, we should propose a cross-project spec to propose those abbreviations as openstack standards then :D | 17:33 |
| mat128 | (not saying it's more readable, but it's already in "openstack" so yeah) | 17:33 |
| mat128 | Lol | 17:33 |
| jroll | lol :| | 17:33 |
| * thiagop thinks that it scalated quickly | 17:34 | |
| jroll | that is a good point though | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo, things like eq, ne, lt, etc are used in ceilometer and got cargo-culted to inspector | 17:34 |
| jroll | aha | 17:34 |
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| jroll | in that case I'm okay with it, especially if it's inspector already | 17:34 |
| devananda | I'm more or less fine with bashisms | 17:34 |
| jroll | I prefer this syntax to nova's | 17:34 |
| mat128 | same here, was just pointing out a difference | 17:35 |
| rloo | will it be confusing to people/operators for ironic syntax to be different from nova's? | 17:35 |
| mat128 | I'm fine with the "test" version / ironic-inspector | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | https://docs.python.org/2.7/library/functools.html | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | (in case of inspector I'm referring to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic-inspector/usage.html#conditions ) | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: it already is :) | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: was just about to ask that | 17:35 |
| mat128 | rloo: will it be confusing if it's different between ironic-* projects? | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | I guess I think of the "Python" names... | 17:35 |
| jroll | mat128: ++ | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | to end the argument, we can support both | 17:35 |
| jroll | I'd prefer matching with inspector over matching with nova, I think | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | it's not terribly hard to be honest | 17:36 |
| rloo | dtantsur, how hard would it be to change inspector to match with nova? | 17:36 |
| rloo | or do we even want it to match with nova? | 17:36 |
| jroll | well, then ceilometer is misaligned | 17:36 |
| mat128 | tbh I was surprised by nova's syntax at first | 17:36 |
| rloo | so i think we should match with nova then. unless nova is an outlier? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | rloo, this is part of introspection rules API, changing API is meh.. | 17:36 |
| rloo | geez, maybe we really need a cross-project spec :-( | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, if we're only talking about operators, not the whole root device hint syntax, then we can easily support both | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | oh god no | 17:37 |
| devananda | jroll: I believe aligning our API with Nova would be more valuable than aligning with Ceilometer, if that is a choice | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | can we support both | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, YES | 17:37 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, agree, but inspector throws a wrench in it | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Do the nova ones require escaping of the URL that is generated? Or is that in the POST section. | 17:37 |
| jroll | I'm okay with supporting both, honestly | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, it's not in URL | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: thanks | 17:38 |
| krotscheck | NobodyCam: Sorry, was talking with wife. Yes, lots updates, much reviews needed. Wow ui. | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Both seems reasonable compromise to me. | 17:38 |
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| NobodyCam | krotscheck: please update the whiteboard | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:38 |
| jroll | okay, so let's approve this, and we can go forward from there as to whether we support both or not | 17:39 |
| jroll | folks okay with that? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | lets record in the comment, that we might need to support both variants | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: good Idea | 17:39 |
| jroll | yep, mind doing that dtantsur? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | to not confuse people who are used to nova syntax | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | sure | 17:39 |
| rloo | jroll. not sure. shouldn't we agree on what it should support first? | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | +1 for approve and adding comment. | 17:40 |
| jroll | rloo: I feel like it should support the syntax proposed, at a minimum, because it matches inspector | 17:40 |
| mat128 | jroll: +1 on this | 17:40 |
| mat128 | we can have a separate item for nova syntax | 17:41 |
| rloo | jroll, but if inspector can change to support nova syntax, do you think ironic should support both too? | 17:41 |
| mat128 | yes because the change will have made it to master | 17:41 |
| mat128 | imo | 17:41 |
| jroll | rloo: I don't have strong opinions on supporting nova syntax or not | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | rloo: Not sure inspector should "change". maybe add additional support. But to change would break the API wouldn't it? | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I can't guarantee inspector will change it in the observable future | 17:41 |
| rloo | jlvillal, that's what i meant. | 17:41 |
| jroll | yeah, api break is bad | 17:41 |
| rloo | i just don't like the idea of ironic supporting two syntaxes if we don't need it to do so. | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | we would have to go through a deperaction to change | 17:42 |
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| jroll | so he alternative to this discussion is writing a small spec on this | 17:42 |
| jroll | which lucas said he doesn't mind doing | 17:42 |
| jroll | but I don't want to bikeshed for weeks in gerrit | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | me too | 17:42 |
| * mat128 thinks I should have kept the nova link to myself... lol | 17:42 | |
| dtantsur | I don't see any problems with having a simple mapping == is the same as eq | 17:42 |
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| jroll | mat128: I was going to say the same thing anyway, don't worry :) | 17:42 |
| rloo | i think we'd be doing ourselves a disservice by not mentioning/thinking of compatibility issues outside of ironic | 17:43 |
| jlvillal | going off into implementation land, but it is a dict with mappings. '==' and 'eq' can both map to the same thing. So seems easy to support both. | 17:43 |
| jroll | okay, why don't we just approve with the caveat we must support both? | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | I'm okay with aproval and comment that both format should be supported | 17:43 |
| mat128 | +1 | 17:43 |
| * dtantsur has actually written such comment already | 17:44 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:44 |
| gabriel-bezerra | and the ni -> notin | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | sorry for being a bit too fast :) | 17:44 |
| jroll | lol | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | If 'ni' is how inspector does it, then I'm okay with it being 'ni' :) | 17:44 |
| jroll | dtantsur: is 'ni' an inspector thing today? | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | +1 to both being implemented. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | jroll, "not-in" | 17:44 |
| gabriel-bezerra | not-in then | 17:44 |
| jroll | dtantsur: okay, can you actually list out what inspector does, we can map to nova, and that'll be the things we support? | 17:45 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic-inspector/usage.html#conditions | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | oops, I lied about not-in | 17:45 |
| jroll | heh | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | confused with a different one, sorry folks | 17:45 |
| * dtantsur is probably tired | 17:45 | |
| gabriel-bezerra | not not-in then | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | not-not-in | 17:46 |
| jroll | so maybe this needs some work to align with inspector and nova, then | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | jroll, we can start with a simpler subset | 17:46 |
| jroll | let's ask lucas to re-propose the syntax that works well for both | 17:46 |
| jroll | and go from there? | 17:46 |
| rloo | ++, thx jroll | 17:46 |
| * jroll comments | 17:47 | |
| dtantsur | thnx | 17:47 |
| jroll | k | 17:47 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:47 | |
| jroll | so before people shout things | 17:48 |
| jroll | I have a thing | 17:48 |
| jroll | this week and next, I'll be pretty intermittent availability on irc | 17:48 |
| jroll | I'm moving from california to michigan, about 2500 mile drive (and packing, and dealing with movers, etc) | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | oh thats right your moving | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | wow | 17:48 |
| jroll | so I'll be checking irc once/twice a day, I'll be keeping up on email | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | driving? Ouch! | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: awesome :) | 17:48 |
| jroll | quickest way to reach me will be via google hangouts (jim@jimrollenhagen.com) | 17:49 |
| jroll | but in the car, may still be a couple hours response :) | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | Safe travels and congrats | 17:49 |
| mgould | jroll, good luck! | 17:49 |
| jroll | just wanted everyone to be aware | 17:49 |
| jroll | thanks, it'll be a ride :P | 17:49 |
| rloo | jroll, that's a better time zone too :) | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: should I plan on covering hte meeting next week just to be sure? | 17:50 |
| jroll | rloo: :D | 17:50 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: oh yeah, if you or deva could cover | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: enjoy the drive! and congrats :) | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:50 |
| jroll | I'm going to try to jump in, because session planning | 17:50 |
| jroll | but cell service may be spotty | 17:50 |
| gabriel-bezerra | have a safe trip | 17:50 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:50 |
| mat128 | good luck with the move :) | 17:50 |
| jroll | thank you all | 17:51 |
| * mgould checks: that's about 3x the length of my longest ever road trip :-) | 17:51 | |
| jroll | now, anything more interesting for the last 9 minutes? | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | Neutronic! ;) | 17:51 |
| mjturek1 | krtaylor and I have an announcement. As you may know, we've been working on an ironic CI system for KVM on Power that uses actual baremetal nodes as targets (rather than guests). It's been running well and wanted to know if there were any objections to us tuning on commenting on ironic patches? | 17:51 |
| jroll | mgould: about double for me | 17:51 |
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| jroll | mjturek1: please do! | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll, i was going to ask you about session planning. we had mentioned it earlier, with a deadline for feedback by 13th apr. | 17:51 |
| mjturek1 | jroll: awesome :) | 17:51 |
| maurosr | \o/ | 17:51 |
| mjturek1 | and congrats, safe travels | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll: did you want to actually discuss sessions next monday at th emeeeting? | 17:51 |
| * jlvillal drove from Biloxi, Missippi to Santa Rosa, California round trip when he was younger. Never again. | 17:51 | |
| mjturek1 | maurosr: \o/ | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | mjturek1: nice :) w00t | 17:51 |
| jroll | rloo: I mentioned in channel this morning (and would have mentioned in announcements if I was here), I'm going to rough draft this week, then discuss and finalize on monday | 17:51 |
| jroll | maybe final tuesday/wednesday | 17:52 |
| rloo | jroll: good to know. thx. | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | mjturek1, you heard 'em, lets turn it on! | 17:52 |
| jroll | krtaylor: btw, can you compile me a list of third party folks and CI status for wednesday's qa meeting? | 17:52 |
| jroll | and I can send out some emails and whatnot | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | BTW, we have a bare metal pool management that we have written, that we are looking at contributing also | 17:53 |
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| mjturek1 | yep, it's called molteniron and it's pretty integral to our CI | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | jroll, will do, thats on my list, I'll move it up | 17:53 |
| jroll | aren't we like, building one of those? :) | 17:53 |
| jroll | more seriously, that would be great | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | yes, thats why I wanted to mention it | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | other projects have shown interest also | 17:54 |
| mjturek1 | heh, yeah we're not sure where it might overlap, but figured it'll be useful (at least initially :)) | 17:54 |
| krtaylor | hey, it works :) | 17:54 |
| mat128 | On that topic, we have totally virtual baremetal lab that we still have to contribute | 17:54 |
| mat128 | PDUs, IPMI and everything | 17:54 |
| krtaylor | sweet! | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | mat128: wow | 17:55 |
| mat128 | even network equipment | 17:55 |
| mjturek1 | very cool! | 17:55 |
| mat128 | yeah, we're very test-driven and we had to make everything work in a reliable fashion | 17:55 |
| * jlvillal isn't quite sure what "totally virtual baremetal lab" means | 17:55 | |
| mat128 | similar to the devstack nodes that we manage with the ssh power driver | 17:55 |
| mat128 | but, totally independent | 17:55 |
| mat128 | you dont need any special driver | 17:55 |
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| mat128 | you use the regular SNMP driver, etc. | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | mat128: using lucas virtual bmc thing? | 17:56 |
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| mat128 | I think we are still using pyghmi for the virtual BMC, but we've had nothing but problems with that | 17:56 |
| mat128 | which kinda segways to a critical bug of ours | 17:56 |
| mat128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1531981 | 17:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531981 in Ironic "ipminative.NativeIPMIPower fails on reboot" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jonathan Provost (jprovost-sh) | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | mat128: awesome \o/ | 17:56 |
| krtaylor | FYI, anything CI related, for quick contribution just to get it out in the open, we can push it to the openstack third party repo I created, ping me for details | 17:56 |
| mat128 | pyghmi/ipminative doesnt work at all | 17:56 |
| mat128 | krtaylor: will do | 17:57 |
| mat128 | is there anyone using ipminative our there? | 17:57 |
| jroll | apparently not :P | 17:57 |
| mat128 | we initially prefered a pure python approch, but it doesnt even work :P | 17:57 |
| mat128 | should we suggest a spec to remove it? | 17:57 |
| jroll | well... | 17:57 |
| jroll | why not fix the bug? | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | *two minutes* | 17:57 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | krtaylor: might you send the link of the repo? | 17:58 |
| mat128 | we fixed it, but pyghmi doesnt even work | 17:58 |
| mat128 | lol | 17:58 |
| mat128 | maybe it's just on our side | 17:58 |
| jroll | (though, to be fair, if nobody puts up third party CI this cycle it will be dropped) | 17:58 |
| jroll | mat128: ^ | 17:58 |
| mat128 | ok interesting | 17:58 |
| mat128 | we can test all of ipmi* with virtualdatacenter | 17:58 |
| jroll | mat128: if you look at pyghmi commits, there's basically one guy working on it, could email him | 17:58 |
| jroll | or file a bug against pyghmi | 17:58 |
| krtaylor | gabriel-bezerra, https://github.com/openstack/third-party-ci-tools | 17:58 |
| gabriel-bezerra | krtaylor: thank you | 17:58 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: dropped or moved to https://github.com/openstack/ironic-staging-drivers/ ??? | 17:59 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: if someone wants to propose it there, they are welcome to | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 17:59 |
| jroll | I only have time for working on ironic >.> | 17:59 |
| devananda | mat128: fwiw, pyghmi was written by IBM initially | 17:59 |
| jroll | alright, we're at time. thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 4 18:00:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-04-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-04-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-04-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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