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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 17:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | good UGT morning everyone :) | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | hello | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, agenda is here: | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | nice and light today :D | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
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| jroll | dtantsur: can you tell us about our gate? | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | jroll, more or less good, but we have random failures caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1537076 | 17:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537076 in Ironic "Timed out waiting for Nova hypervisor-stats count >= 1 due to Nova Unable to establish connection to http://127.0.0.1:35357/v2.0/tokens" [High,Confirmed] | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | I did investigate this particular problem | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | * did not | 17:02 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: ok, and still timeouts on the other jobs yes? | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | yes, happens | 17:02 |
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| devananda | I spent several hours on friday looking into ^ but did not understand the root :( | 17:02 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | yeah, ok. thanks. | 17:02 |
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| jroll | as always, help wanted/needed on the timeout issues our gate faces | 17:02 |
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| devananda | it seems as though keystone /v2/ API is not responding, but that doesn't make sense to me | 17:03 |
| jroll | other announcements... I saw some inspector releases \o/ | 17:03 |
| vdrok | also this thing - Details: {u'message': u'Unable to associate floating IP 172.24.5.4 to fixed IP 10.1.0.5 for instance 46803125-c1b1-4184-87e5-c1a7b846666a. Error: Router a17e97a0-ba1d-4866-93ca-9d442bfaa581 could not be found', u'code': 400} | 17:03 |
| davidlenwell | Hey everyone.. just wanted to let everyone know that as of today I've joined the ironic team at hpe.. so you'll be seeing a lot of me moving forward.. sorry ;) | 17:03 |
| vdrok | during tempest run | 17:03 |
| devananda | davidlenwell: welcome! | 17:03 |
| betherly | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | davidlenwell: wooooo | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | welcome davidlenwell | 17:03 |
| rloo | davidlenwell: welcome and finally! :) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yes \o/ | 17:03 |
| betherly | welcome davidlenwell! | 17:03 |
| davidlenwell | thank you! I look forwrad to throwing wet cats at all of you ;) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | davidlenwell, welcome! | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | moar cats | 17:04 |
| mgould | davidlenwell, welcome! | 17:04 |
| rloo | vdrok: there is a bug for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1537754 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537754 in Ironic "Unable to associate floating IP 172.24.5.4 to fixed IP 10.1.0.5 for instance ..." [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
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| jroll | ok, any other announcements? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | k. | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: anything more about midcycle? | 17:06 |
| vdrok | rloo, aha, thanks | 17:06 |
| vdrok | davidlenwell, welcome :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | rloo: we have dates, working on video things, I can start a topics/scheduling etherpad if that's helpful to folks | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 17:07 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:07 |
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| gabriel | devananda: fwiw, keystone is trying to make v3 the default for devstack. It might be related. | 17:07 |
| devananda | gabriel: I see | 17:08 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: rloo: I'll send out a link later | 17:08 |
| jroll | moving on then | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll: thx | 17:08 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status updates | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status updates (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:08 | |
| jroll | as always, these are here: | 17:08 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
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| jroll | I'll give folks a moment to look | 17:09 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt network isolation. working backwards -- nova code has to land by when? | 17:10 |
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| jroll | rloo: non-priority feature freeze was last week, priority is m-3 | 17:10 |
| jroll | I need to bug johnthetubaguy about FFEs, or if this is priority or non- | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | is it priority for them? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | ah | 17:11 |
| jroll | it's midcycle week for them, so hard to reach | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | FYI: I just created an Etherpad to help track what people have done with regards to debug the gate. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGateDebugging | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Hopefully it will be helpful to collaborate | 17:11 |
| jroll | that nova code uses the new portgroups thing - so if we miss on that, we'll be able to use the networking features, but not with portgroups | 17:12 |
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| jroll | thanks jlvillal . | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: would be good to know the dates, to get an idea. if you can put in the etherpad or somewhere, the order to review/dates, blah blah. | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: working on it... | 17:12 |
| jroll | my priorities right now are: gate, manual cleaning, network stuff | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | tags: 23 | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | - neutron.networks.flat: 24 | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | provider-physical-network: physnet1 | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | sorry | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, FWIW I've updated the microversion patch in nova | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | I think the patches for network need it too right? | 17:13 |
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| jroll | cool, thanks lucasagomes | 17:14 |
| jroll | it does, I added it to that patch as well | 17:14 |
| jroll | we can deal with the conflict when it comes | 17:14 |
| jroll | that patch is here https://review.openstack.org/206163 | 17:14 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I assume you and mrda are not at nova midcycle, right? | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | will take a look | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Correct. I chatted with mrda last night about some Nova stuff and he is in Australia. On holiday today and tomorrow. | 17:16 |
| jroll | k | 17:16 |
| jroll | that's a bummer | 17:16 |
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| jroll | anything else on subteam updates that folks want to talk about? | 17:18 |
| jroll | guess not | 17:19 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:19 | |
| jroll | anyone have a topic? | 17:19 |
| jroll | otherwise I want to lay out some time slots for midcycle | 17:19 |
| jroll | dtantsur: what's your typical work day utc? | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | I would say go for it jroll | 17:19 |
| jroll | dtantsur: and how late are you comfortable staying? | 17:20 |
| jroll | north american folks: how early is too early if you pretend you have jet lag? :) | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | jroll, 10am - 6pm give or take.. if I work from home, I can be online til around 8pm UTC | 17:20 |
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| jroll | vdrok: same question for you re: typical work day times | 17:20 |
| * lucasagomes is on UTC+0 | 17:21 | |
| * mgould is on a similar schedule to dtantsur | 17:21 | |
| vdrok | jroll, 8-18 utc is fine for me | 17:21 |
| jroll | ok, so I'm thinking we do some early slots that can overlap NA with the euro folks | 17:21 |
| jroll | maybe 1500-2000 utc, something like that | 17:22 |
| jroll | and then some later slots where it's afternoon for NA and mrda (and any other aussies) can pop in early his time | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | I could try to be online by 6am PST (Pacific Standard Time). Not sure what that is UTC. | 17:22 |
| jroll | maybe like... 0000-0400 or something | 17:22 |
| jroll | jlvillal: that's 1400 | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:23 |
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| jroll | as we have mostly cores in north america and europe, we can do the big contentious topics in the 1500-2000 range, and maybe a recap in the other slots for those that can't join? | 17:23 |
| jroll | and the other slots can also hack on some reviews and pushing some code | 17:24 |
| jroll | pushing some code forward* | 17:24 |
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| jroll | does that make sense to people or sound insane? | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | the range WFM | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | sounds good | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Sounds reasonable to me. | 17:25 |
| jroll | wow, first try :o | 17:25 |
| rloo | i can't commit to the 1500-2000. will try :) | 17:25 |
| jroll | rloo: maybe the second half of it at least? | 17:25 |
| vdrok | +1 | 17:25 |
| jroll | rloo: to be clear, that's 10am-3pm eastern time, I think | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: oops, i meant the 0000-0400. | 17:26 |
| jroll | so maybe you mean the ... yeah | 17:26 |
| jroll | :) | 17:26 |
| jroll | that'd be fine, I don't expect everyone to be in both | 17:26 |
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| rloo | jroll: ok, should we say that we need a min number of cores? 2? | 17:27 |
| devananda | jroll: I'm pretty sure I'll miss one of the 0000-0400 slots | 17:27 |
| devananda | jroll: but otherwise WFM | 17:27 |
| jroll | ok cool | 17:27 |
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| * rloo doesn't want a repeat of those meetings where no cores showed up | 17:28 | |
| jroll | rloo: I'd rather say that if we find we're getting nothing done, we drop off the video and use irc instead, and just get work done | 17:28 |
| jroll | obviously we won't make major decisions without some cores around :) | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | re video, what we are going to use? | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | Here is a time/date for people: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ironic+Virtual+Mid-cycle+big+topics&iso=20160216T15&p1=1440&ah=5 | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | hangouts? | 17:28 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: working on it, hangouts has a 10-person limit afaik, but may be higher with google apps for domains | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | hangouts have a small limit on number of people iirc | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | oh right | 17:29 |
| jroll | there's a couple other options I'm investigating - webex, vidyo, another thing I can't remember right now | 17:29 |
| rloo | jroll: the whole idea of doing those times is to work with folks then. so it is two ways; if no folks (in those timezones) show up, no need for cores to show up. and vice versa. | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | we can use the virtual sprint irc | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | jroll: if anyone has an apps account and joins, then video should go past 10 | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, maybe we could use our corporate bluejeans? | 17:29 |
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| jroll | rloo: sure | 17:29 |
| jroll | TheJulia: oh, cool, I have one | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, that would be handy, not sure how it works for external folks tho | 17:29 |
| jroll | I'll do more investigation | 17:29 |
| * jroll notes bluejeans as well | 17:29 | |
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| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I'm pretty sure I saw an external person once | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I think people can call in or something | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | we can investigate for sure | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | does skype have a limit too? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | oh no | 17:30 |
| jroll | sambetts: chance that cisco could get us a webex if needed? | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | skype for linux does not support group video at all | 17:31 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, I think skype is two unless you're paying | 17:31 |
| devananda | jroll: I thought infra set up things for us to use that follow the four opens? | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | oh | 17:31 |
| jroll | devananda: there's no video tools afaik, but will check | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | jroll, no longer, but no video for linux people | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | #openstack-sprint | 17:31 |
| devananda | right - but there's audio? | 17:31 |
| jroll | dtantsur: welp, that isn't happening then | 17:31 |
| jroll | devananda: hm, I think video would be better honestly | 17:31 |
| sambetts | Not sure, I can enquire, I think its been done before | 17:31 |
| jroll | I like seeing all of your faces every 3 months :D | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:32 |
| devananda | heh | 17:32 |
| jroll | sambetts: ok, I'll bug you if we need to investigate | 17:32 |
| jroll | btw, recording some things here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle | 17:32 |
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| krtaylor | what about mumble? | 17:33 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: does it do video? | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | checking | 17:34 |
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| jroll | looks like not yet, at a glance | 17:35 |
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| jroll | if we drop to just audio, I can totally set up a mumble or teamspeak server to keep it easy and open | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | same, looks like its planned | 17:35 |
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| krtaylor | Ive used it for conferences before, lag is sometimes an issue, but with our own server that shouldnt be a problem | 17:36 |
| jroll | I added an area to propose topics, feel free to add things | 17:36 |
| * dtantsur does not feel comfortable with audio-only | 17:36 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: noted, thanks :) | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | that's cool, honestly I thought they had added it already | 17:36 |
| zer0c00l | please make sure that it works on linux | 17:37 |
| * zer0c00l runs only linux | 17:38 | |
| dtantsur | oh definitely :) | 17:38 |
| * dtantsur too | 17:38 | |
| jroll | ditto. | 17:38 |
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| jroll | anything else to discuss? | 17:40 |
| jroll | please add topics you care about! | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | zer0c00l, ++ or I won't join :-) | 17:40 |
| * lucasagomes have no windows | 17:40 | |
| lucasagomes | or OSX | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | not particularly surprising for a redhatter :D | 17:41 |
| rloo | how many people do we think we need to support in a video thingy? | 17:41 |
| TheJulia | I think it would be good because body langugage is a good thing to be able to convey | 17:42 |
| rloo | yahoo apparently can do hangouts with 15 max | 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | my employer (yahoo) has hangouts , i have asked IT to see if it supports more than 10 people. Will update when i get response | 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | rloo: oh okay | 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | Then rloo is right | 17:43 |
| jroll | rloo: added a list for signups so we can find out | 17:43 |
| rloo | zer0c00l: i read it, haven't tried it, but we can test later :) | 17:43 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, so if <=15, we can provide hangouts. | 17:43 |
| jroll | cool, ty | 17:43 |
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| jroll | rloo: now that I look, that's true for any google apps user. so I can also provide up to 15 :D | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | teamspeak!!! /me used it when I played CS ages ago! | 17:44 |
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| dtantsur | we need to figure out bluejeans limit and if we can invite outsiders... | 17:45 |
| rloo | jroll: :) | 17:45 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: up until a year ago the nova team at rackspace used teamspeak :P | 17:46 |
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| JayF | jroll: TIL they don't anymore, lol | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | nice, brings me good memories | 17:46 |
| jroll | heh | 17:46 |
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| * NobodyCam has seen whole company meeting in bluejeans | 17:47 | |
| devananda | NobodyCam: with all presenting video at once? | 17:47 |
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| devananda | fwiw, I've only seen ~10 sharing video in bluejeans before | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | only one video source :( | 17:47 |
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| TheJulia | You know, I think I saw somebody fire up a bluejeans meeting with like 75 people and several people had working video | 17:48 |
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| * mgould notes that's "several" and not "all" :-) | 17:49 | |
| TheJulia | yeah.... | 17:49 |
| devananda | jroll: do we want to ask folks to gather regionally? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | "Company officials announced May 14 that with Blue Jeans Release version 2.6, customers can now host meetings with as many as 100 participants, a significant jump over the previous limit of 25 people. Every participant can take part in the meeting through the audio and video, and up to the nine most recent speakers are seen on the screen, according to the vendor." | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | a lot of the atendees would have turned off video | 17:49 |
| * dtantsur googled | 17:49 | |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, nice one | 17:49 |
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| jroll | devananda: dunno, people can turn off video when not participating | 17:50 |
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| devananda | *nod* | 17:50 |
| jroll | devananda: lots of people in front of individual screens tends to be better than a few rooms on video, from what I've experienced | 17:50 |
| krtaylor | its better for audio, for sure | 17:51 |
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| jroll | yep | 17:51 |
| jroll | infra pointed out we may want to try asterisk, but if folks aren't comfortable with audio only, I'm not really inclined to do so | 17:51 |
| jroll | they don't have any answers for a video solution | 17:51 |
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| jroll | anything else or do we want to save 6 minutes? | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | maybe it's a dumb idea... but whatif we had a general audio-only thing. And then, when we start breaking up the groups to work on specific problems | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | the groups can go and create a video chat | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | I think hangouts would work for that | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | audio-only for 15+ people, what can go wrong... | 17:53 |
| * krtaylor isn't sure more than 9 screens would be useful anyway | 17:54 | |
| jroll | lucasagomes: that's an idea too | 17:54 |
| jroll | let's research the video solutions this week, see who signs up on the etherpad, and go from there | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | we can keep an etherpad with the links for the sessions and so on | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | Make sure we have a way to mute people :) | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, bluejeans even has "mute all" ^_^ | 17:55 |
| * jroll emails etherpad out | 17:55 | |
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| jlvillal | When they start chatting with their co-workers and take off their headsets but we can still hear it :( | 17:55 |
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| jroll | alright, sounds like we're done for today | 17:57 |
| jroll | thanks for joining everyone :) | 17:57 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-01-25-17.00.html | 17:57 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 19:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| sslypushenko | o/ Hi, all! | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | hello | 19:06 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:06 |
| catherineD | Alex should join soon ... | 19:07 |
| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-01-25 | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | #topic User/group spec and implementation merged !!!! | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | This is a great milestone for vendor registration!!! Thank you all for your efforts! | 19:08 |
| sslypushenko | ball finally started rolling) | 19:08 |
| catherineD | sorry my mistake | 19:09 |
| rockyg | Yay!!! | 19:09 |
| catherineD | it should be #openstack-meeting-alt | 19:09 |
| catherineD | sorry ... I was confused with DefCore meeting ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | could we move to #openstack-meeting-alt please ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:11 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 21:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| flwang | #topic roll call | 21:00 |
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| flwang | o/ | 21:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:01 |
| Eva-i | hello everyone | 21:01 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 21:01 |
| flwang | Eva-i: hi there | 21:02 |
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| ryansb | \o zaqarians | 21:02 |
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| flwang | ok, let's start :) | 21:03 |
| flwang | #topic zaqar client | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqar client (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:03 | |
| flwang | #topic zaqarclient | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqarclient (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:03 | |
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| vkmc_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| flwang | for now, the only functional gap for our client, is the pre-signed url, IIRC | 21:04 |
| flwang | oh, and the claim support for v2 | 21:04 |
| flwang | https://review.openstack.org/253731 | 21:04 |
| flwang | https://review.openstack.org/265663 | 21:04 |
| flwang | i will give it a try for the pre-signed url today | 21:05 |
| flwang | guys, pls add them on your list :) | 21:05 |
| Eva-i | I think the test "test_signed_url" in the client needs to be fixed | 21:05 |
| Eva-i | I'll try | 21:05 |
| ryansb | added | 21:06 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool, just add your comments | 21:06 |
| flwang | on the patch ;) | 21:06 |
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| Eva-i | yes | 21:06 |
| flwang | anything else we need to discuss for the client side? | 21:06 |
| Eva-i | no | 21:07 |
| ryansb | not from me | 21:07 |
| flwang | we do have some other patches for client side, but i won't highlight them here, pls go through the list and review them, thanks | 21:08 |
| flwang | #topic zaqar-ui | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "zaqar-ui (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:08 | |
| flwang | we have merged two patches of zaqar ui to get a workable panel for queues | 21:09 |
| flwang | now, you can list queues | 21:09 |
| ryansb | \o/ | 21:09 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep :) | 21:09 |
| Eva-i | I tried zaqar-ui, it doesn't work for me | 21:09 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i can help you offline | 21:09 |
| Eva-i | oki | 21:09 |
| flwang | since it's plugin mode, so TBH, it's not easy to deploy | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | flwang: one guy visited us today and here's the paste for you: http://paste.openstack.org/show/hbvsnhNNFTxfMDkZIJku/ | 21:10 |
| flwang | for more functions, like create, delete, update, we have a horizon core member who will help us to get some samples | 21:10 |
| flwang | Eva-i: AJ? yep, i saw that | 21:10 |
| Eva-i | oki, good | 21:11 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i will ping him to get more details, thanks for the heads up | 21:11 |
| flwang | personally, i would like to complete the client work asap and focus on the zaqar UI | 21:12 |
| flwang | my goal is complete the queues and subscriptions work in Mitaka | 21:12 |
| flwang | and leave the pool and flavor a while, maybe in Newton | 21:12 |
| flwang | so remember, we have a new zaqar-ui repo now, don't miss it :) | 21:13 |
| ryansb | ah, can we have https://review.openstack.org/270464 as a topic, btw? | 21:13 |
| flwang | ryansb: definately | 21:13 |
| flwang | ryansb: it's on my topic list | 21:13 |
| ryansb | (cool, sorry to interject) | 21:13 |
| flwang | ryansb: thanks for the reminder :) | 21:15 |
| flwang | anything else? | 21:15 |
| flwang | otherwise, let's move to the server side | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | yes | 21:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yes? | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | let's move to the server side | 21:15 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I mean no, go on | 21:15 |
| flwang | #topic the TTL of subscription | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the TTL of subscription (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 21:16 | |
| flwang | ryansb: i saw your comments | 21:16 |
| Eva-i | I think permanent subscriptions are dangerous thing | 21:16 |
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| flwang | i don't mind removing the default permanent setting for subscription TTL, but i would like to support it | 21:17 |
| flwang | ryansb: i can see your point for the keystone token example | 21:17 |
| flwang | but i think they're different scenarios | 21:17 |
| flwang | 1. login/token is a very frequent action | 21:18 |
| ryansb | so would subscribe, in cloud-y contexts | 21:18 |
| flwang | that's why admin always run into the problem, have to clean up the token table | 21:18 |
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| flwang | topic/queue subscription is not a very frequent action, there shouldn't be too much records in db | 21:19 |
| ryansb | I disagree - for things like worker pools & user-facing notifications it would be | 21:19 |
| ryansb | say, for example, a web app opens a websocket to zaqar for updates | 21:19 |
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| ryansb | every new instance of that page would get a subscription | 21:19 |
| flwang | ryansb: why? | 21:20 |
| flwang | why every new instance of the page will get a new subscription? | 21:20 |
| ryansb | because websockets wouldn't be able to share one, would they? They'd have different client IDs | 21:21 |
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| ryansb | and even if they could, you wouldn't share a subscription between users | 21:21 |
| vkmc | yeah, agree with ryansb there | 21:22 |
| vkmc | websocket open a new connection on every refresh | 21:22 |
| ryansb | what I'm saying isn't "the default can't be a long time," I'm saying "we can't honestly tell users that subscriptions last forever" | 21:22 |
| ryansb | especially not by default | 21:22 |
| vkmc | I don't see the point of having forever lived subscriptions | 21:23 |
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| flwang | vkmc: for wsgi(not websocket) case, i think most of the subscription is aim to forever/permanent | 21:24 |
| flwang | for example | 21:24 |
| flwang | the new integration of ceilometer/aodh | 21:25 |
| flwang | when user create an alarm, and using zaqar as the notifier | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I think websocket subscriptions should live only during connection time. | 21:25 |
| flwang | do you think the user would like to use a TTL for the alarm? | 21:25 |
| Eva-i | ceilometer should update subscriptions then | 21:26 |
| flwang | Eva-i: sorry? | 21:26 |
| ryansb | I think subscriptions should have to be renewed | 21:26 |
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| flwang | ryansb: Eva-i: who? | 21:26 |
| ryansb | flwang: for example, ceilometer would say "subscribe me for 3 days" | 21:26 |
| flwang | let the user manually update the alarm again and again? | 21:26 |
| ryansb | and then after 2 days, ceilo would say "Give me another 3 days" | 21:27 |
| ryansb | and so on | 21:27 |
| flwang | ryansb: that's really weird for me | 21:27 |
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| flwang | let's make the topic clear | 21:27 |
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| vkmc | perhaps we could get some feedback from ceilo guys about that | 21:27 |
| flwang | i don't mind making an explicit TTL and removing the default permanent subscription | 21:28 |
| flwang | the thing we're discussing is if we should support the permanent TTL | 21:28 |
| flwang | vkmc: we could | 21:29 |
| flwang | ok, let me ask, what's the bad thing if we have a permanent subscription support? | 21:30 |
| flwang | and given it's not a default setting | 21:30 |
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| ryansb | I think it'd still be disingenuous, because nothing is really "forever" | 21:33 |
| vkmc | so... I'd say it potentially leads to wasted resources | 21:33 |
| flwang | ryansb: user can delete them if they want to | 21:33 |
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| flwang | ryansb: i can't follow, sorry | 21:34 |
| ryansb | flwang: so when a user says "subscribe me forever" | 21:35 |
| ryansb | we can't guarantee the thing they subscribe will never fail | 21:35 |
| vkmc | I guess my concern could be solved with some sort of garbage collector | 21:35 |
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| vkmc | or we leave that to the clients | 21:35 |
| ryansb | or that they will remember to unsubscribe | 21:35 |
| flwang | ryansb: no, it's different concept | 21:35 |
| ryansb | I'd be ok with something like "you can ask for "forever" but if you aren't around for a month we're deleting the subscription" | 21:36 |
| ryansb | I really don't want to make a situation where dead subs can live forever easily | 21:36 |
| flwang | subscription fail is different' from the concept subscription removal | 21:36 |
| ryansb | I mean *subscriber* fail | 21:36 |
| ryansb | so if my app subscribes "forever" then the machine dies, it will never unsubscribe | 21:37 |
| ryansb | leaving cruft | 21:37 |
| vkmc | let's think about newsletter subscriptions, as an example | 21:37 |
| vkmc | when you subscribe you don't define a TTL | 21:37 |
| vkmc | it's ... permanent, right? | 21:37 |
| flwang | ryansb: did you see the TTL concept on SNS? | 21:37 |
| vkmc | but there is a cron job that sends you a reminder everytime in a while | 21:38 |
| vkmc | looking at it that way this kinda starts making sense to me | 21:38 |
| flwang | vkmc: i would say yep | 21:39 |
| Eva-i | flwang: maybe you're right | 21:39 |
| flwang | cron job is a 'permanent'/forever job, isn't it? | 21:39 |
| vkmc | it's a scheduled job | 21:39 |
| flwang | vkmc: that's not wrong either | 21:40 |
| vkmc | ok, I guess we need to discuss this a bit further and make sure we are clear on what this constitutes | 21:41 |
| flwang | vkmc: okay | 21:41 |
| vkmc | there are use cases in which makes sense, as you pointed out flwang | 21:42 |
| flwang | I will have a talk with ceilometer team and the searchlight team | 21:42 |
| flwang | vkmc: i can see your guys concern, but I'm trying to get some balance | 21:42 |
| vkmc | flwang++ sounds good to me | 21:43 |
| flwang | i think the key of the software is to make user happy :) | 21:43 |
| ryansb | truth | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | if there will be no pernanent subscriptions in Zaqar, ceilometer should update subscriptions for the user, it the user wants pernanent subscription, so no manual updating | 21:43 |
| flwang | Eva-i: let ceilometer update it? | 21:44 |
| flwang | how? | 21:44 |
| Eva-i | by some kind of daemon | 21:45 |
| Eva-i | it's just an assumption | 21:45 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it's impossible unfortunately | 21:45 |
| flwang | from the ceiloemter PoV | 21:45 |
| ryansb | could they use trusts like heat? | 21:46 |
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| flwang | see http://paste.openstack.org/show/484932/ | 21:46 |
| flwang | just get the feedback from ceilometer team | 21:46 |
| vkmc | that was quick! | 21:47 |
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| flwang | ryansb: can the trusts resolve the TTL update issue? | 21:47 |
| ryansb | basically it would be a delegated token with the perms to update the subscription, which they would use to keep extending the TTL | 21:48 |
| ryansb | that's an implementation detail | 21:49 |
| ryansb | but it's how heat deals with the delegation problem (where heat needs to do things in a user's stead) | 21:49 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, my point is user has the requirement to get a permanent subscription | 21:49 |
| flwang | no matter the implementation details | 21:51 |
| ryansb | fair enough | 21:51 |
| ryansb | could we have some kind of TTL for *unused* subscriptions? | 21:51 |
| flwang | so if we could have a built-in support, why not? | 21:51 |
| ryansb | e.g. if a client doesn't call in to get its messages for X days/months/whatever we delete the sub? | 21:51 |
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| flwang | ryansb: hmm... if there isn't messages for a queue for X days/months/whatever, should we delete the queue? | 21:53 |
| vkmc | you cannot predict that the queue has not been used because it's really not being used | 21:53 |
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| ryansb | I don't know about autodeleting queues | 21:54 |
| flwang | vkmc: same | 21:54 |
| vkmc | if zaqar wipes it out and then the client needs to use it... the queue will be created but the subscription no | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | Or for example, the subscriber is not listening for a long time on the specified port in subscription. Or subscription email is not existing. | 21:54 |
| Eva-i | But it's dangerous too to do it, the behavior of Zaqar would be less predictable in this case. | 21:54 |
| vkmc | yeap | 21:54 |
| flwang | ok, we're running out of time | 21:55 |
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| flwang | let's discuss it offline | 21:55 |
| flwang | #topic open discussion | 21:55 |
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| flwang | should we propose some topics for summit? | 21:55 |
| vkmc | design session? or pres? :) | 21:55 |
| flwang | pres, i think, the deadline is 1 Feb | 21:56 |
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| vkmc | I haven't implemented anything this cycle in order to give a presentation | 21:57 |
| vkmc | but I'd like to help | 21:57 |
| flwang | the horizon guys just ping me to have a joint pres for horizon plugin, but i'm not sure if i can make it | 21:57 |
| Eva-i | have you already made a pres for Zaqar's subscriptions? | 21:57 |
| flwang | if i can't, hopefully you guys can help deliver it | 21:57 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, nope | 21:57 |
| Eva-i | it's the coolest feature of Zaqar | 21:58 |
| vkmc | not on the summits at least | 21:58 |
| Eva-i | I see | 21:58 |
| flwang | vkmc: i would like to see a pres like micro service + container + zaqar | 21:58 |
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| vkmc | let's take this offline | 21:59 |
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| vkmc | and work on those ideas | 21:59 |
| flwang | ryansb: you're the heavy user of SQS/SNS, do you think that's reasonble? | 21:59 |
| flwang | vkmc: ok, cool | 21:59 |
| flwang | let's end this meeting and rock on zaqar channel | 21:59 |
| ryansb | what is, the subscriptions preso? | 21:59 |
| flwang | thank you, guys | 21:59 |
| ryansb | yeah, move to zaqar | 21:59 |
| ryansb | thanks! | 21:59 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| Eva-i | yes, let's go to zaqar | 21:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 21:59:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-25-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-25-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-25-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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| vkmc | :D | 22:00 |
| vkmc | thx | 22:00 |
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