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| ryansb | \o zaqar-ers | 15:08 |
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| Eva-i | hello | 15:08 |
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| vkmc | #startmeeting zaqar | 15:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 15:08:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:08 |
| vkmc | #topic roll-call | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:08 | |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:08 |
| vkmc | hi guys :) | 15:08 |
| Eva-i | hi | 15:09 |
| vkmc | since flwang1 is not around to drive the meeting, I think I can give it a try | 15:09 |
| vkmc | so let's check the agenda... | 15:09 |
| Eva-i | what we will discuss today? | 15:09 |
| vkmc | since we are about to cut Mitaka-2, I'd like to focus on the changes that we consider important to get merged now | 15:10 |
| vkmc | #link https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 15:10 |
| vkmc | there is no many triaged features/bug fixes there, we need to fix that | 15:10 |
| vkmc | #action vkmc triage bugs/features for Mitaka-2 | 15:11 |
| ryansb | I'd really like to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253731/ in for M2 | 15:11 |
| vkmc | ryansb++ | 15:11 |
| vkmc | #topic mitaka-2 | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka-2 (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:11 | |
| therve | ryansb, Client is released independently | 15:11 |
| therve | So I don't think it matters much | 15:11 |
| ryansb | ah, well that makes it easy | 15:11 |
| ryansb | therve: I think I'll take that "bug" we were talking about last week (that Queues need a .subscribe method in the Python lib) | 15:12 |
| vkmc | checking the server side, I see many patches Eva-i submitted | 15:12 |
| vkmc | those are already there for review | 15:12 |
| vkmc | we need to check the bug list to see if we should get something else in | 15:12 |
| vkmc | like that one... "queues need a subscribe method" | 15:13 |
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| therve | vkmc, Client as well | 15:13 |
| vkmc | yup | 15:13 |
| Eva-i | My websocket binary support patch needs to be released in m-2, but now I think it needs further improvement. | 15:13 |
| Eva-i | I opened many bugs recently. | 15:13 |
| vkmc | so... | 15:14 |
| vkmc | #action check bugs both server-side and client-side for m-2 | 15:14 |
| therve | vkmc, Again, client doesn't matter for m2 :) | 15:15 |
| therve | AFAIK, at least | 15:15 |
| Eva-i | https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1533668 check out this bug for example | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533668 in zaqar "Zaqar can't list queues, when enable_virtual_pool = True (affects devstack)" [Undecided,New] | 15:15 |
| vkmc | right | 15:15 |
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| Eva-i | If there was Fei Long, he would probably asked has anyone checked out zaqar-ui https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255213/ | 15:19 |
| vkmc | yes | 15:19 |
| vkmc | I'm looking at previous meetings logs | 15:19 |
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| vkmc | let's jump to that | 15:20 |
| vkmc | #topic zaqar-ui | 15:20 |
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| vkmc | this one got recently merged | 15:21 |
| vkmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255213/ | 15:21 |
| vkmc | and there are also other patch sets waiting for review | 15:21 |
| vkmc | this is a wip but maybe flwang1 could use some help testing this | 15:22 |
| vkmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258474/3 | 15:22 |
| vkmc | and that's pretty much it on that side... flwang1 probably can update us better next time we chat with him :) | 15:22 |
| Eva-i | I will try new zaqar-ui patches today. But it's hard for me to understand how it works. | 15:22 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: yes | 15:22 |
| vkmc | how to enable the plugin you say? | 15:23 |
| vkmc | I need to test that too | 15:23 |
| vkmc | I'll ping you if I can make some time to test it and we can do that together | 15:23 |
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| Eva-i | I know how to enable the plugin, it's in readme.md | 15:23 |
| vkmc | oh cool | 15:23 |
| vkmc | so what's your concern? | 15:23 |
| Eva-i | I just don't know how the code is getting glued together. | 15:24 |
| Eva-i | I just need to spend some time understanding it. | 15:24 |
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| vkmc | ok ok | 15:26 |
| vkmc | we can check that later eitherways | 15:26 |
| Eva-i | We can move to another topic now | 15:26 |
| Eva-i | I want to discuss one thing about websocket transport on today's meeting. | 15:26 |
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| ryansb | k | 15:27 |
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| vkmc | yes | 15:28 |
| vkmc | let's move to that then | 15:28 |
| vkmc | #topic binary support for the websocket transport | 15:28 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, floor is yours | 15:28 |
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| Eva-i | When the client is communicating with Zaqar through http requests, it always sends requests to API version-specific zaqar endpoint ("v2" for example), so Zaqar knows how to process this request depending on the API. | 15:30 |
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| Eva-i | When the websocket transport is used, there's no way the client can tell Zaqar which version of websocket API it wants to use. Though zaqar has only one websocket API version now. | 15:33 |
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| therve | Eva-i, It only supports v2. There is no way to choose an API just yet | 15:34 |
| ryansb | Yeah, but *one day* we'll need to version it | 15:34 |
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| Eva-i | But I'd like the client able to specify the version as it can help us in future if we will release the new version of websocket API. | 15:35 |
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| Eva-i | Is it too early to think about it? | 15:35 |
| ryansb | is there a reason they can't be locked to the version with which they initiated the websocket connection? | 15:35 |
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| therve | ryansb, We'd need to have routing in the websocket side, which we don't | 15:37 |
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| therve | But that seems like the easiest option yeah | 15:38 |
| ryansb | good point. | 15:38 |
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| vkmc | you specify the version when you instantiate the api | 15:38 |
| vkmc | right now v2 is the only one | 15:38 |
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| vkmc | but for newer versions we can inherit from that and add the required changes, and you are done | 15:39 |
| vkmc | or what am I missing? | 15:39 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, ^? | 15:43 |
| Eva-i | I think I should have prepared more for this conversation | 15:43 |
| Eva-i | I'm just worrying about future compatibility | 15:44 |
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| ryansb | Eva-i: I think for right now, what you're doing is fine | 15:44 |
| Eva-i | Maybe I'll bring this topic up when API v2 will be stable | 15:45 |
| ryansb | agreeing that websocket connections are going to stick to the version they were initiated with in the HTTP API is probably the way forward | 15:45 |
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| vkmc | +1 | 15:48 |
| vkmc | sounds good | 15:48 |
| vkmc | let's talk more about this on the design session | 15:48 |
| vkmc | since this something that will probably happen on the next cycle | 15:48 |
| vkmc | agree? | 15:48 |
| Eva-i | There's http handshake during websocket connection initiation, but Zaqar can't control it AFAIK | 15:48 |
| vkmc | yeah no, that's implemented on the websocket library | 15:49 |
| Eva-i | The client don't have a way to know websocket api version or a way to tell it to Zaqar | 15:50 |
| Eva-i | If we don't do some things right before making websocket API v2 stable, the future versioning for websocket transport might be a bit problematic. | 15:50 |
| Eva-i | But okay, let's move to another topic | 15:50 |
| vkmc | we are almost close to the end of our meeting | 15:50 |
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| vkmc | so let's move things to open discussion | 15:51 |
| vkmc | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, I understand your concerns, let's work on designing how we can handle that | 15:51 |
| Eva-i | BTW, I'm bringing back Zaqar installation guide in production environment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268851/. I'd like your help figuring out which things might are outdated in this guide. | 15:55 |
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| vkmc | sounds good, thanks Eva-i | 16:01 |
| vkmc | we are over time | 16:01 |
| vkmc | let's call this a meeting | 16:01 |
| vkmc | thanks all | 16:01 |
| vkmc | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| ryansb | k, thanks folks | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 16:01:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-18-15.08.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-18-15.08.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-18-15.08.log.html | 16:01 |
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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 16:04:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:04 |
| sc` | #chair jklare | 16:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jklare sc` | 16:04 |
| sc` | anyone here for the meeting? | 16:04 |
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| markvan | howdy | 16:05 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:05 |
| sc` | there's probably a few things worth talking about, but the biggest one needs jklare | 16:06 |
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| sc` | that said, we should probably start the breaking of things soon. didn't want to start workflowing stuff without having talked about it | 16:08 |
| markvan | yeah, base openstack is already past m-2, so need to start pushing if we want to make this happen | 16:10 |
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| sc` | yup | 16:10 |
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| sc` | unless there are any objections, i'm going to call it. most people aren't around or are in other meetings | 16:16 |
| markvan | +1 | 16:16 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 16:17:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-18-16.04.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-18-16.04.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-18-16.04.log.html | 16:17 |
| sc` | see you on the channel :D | 16:17 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 17:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| jroll | ohai. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, the agenda is here: | 17:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jroll | US holiday for some folks today, so attendance may be light | 17:00 |
| * jroll jumps right in | 17:00 | |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| zer0c00l | o/ | 17:00 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jroll | #info it appears that february 16-18 is the best date for our virtual midcycle, so I'm going to roll with that | 17:01 |
| mjturek1 | \o | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | nice, wfm | 17:01 |
| jroll | more info to come, I'll email on that as well | 17:01 |
| rloo | thx jroll | 17:01 |
| jroll | additionally, mitaka 2 milestone is this week for the rest of openstack | 17:02 |
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| jroll | as such, I'd like to cut a release very soon | 17:02 |
| jroll | hoping we can land the manual cleaning work before doing so | 17:02 |
| jroll | so please jump in and help with that :) | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jroll | also needing reviews on the neutron stuff | 17:02 |
| jroll | last but of course not least, our gate is currently down due to a devstack bug | 17:02 |
| jroll | dtantsur has a patch up to devstack to fix | 17:03 |
| jroll | and in general, our gate is looking pretty sorry, I'd really like folks to help out with working on that where they can | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | :-( | 17:03 |
| * devananda has the sad | 17:04 | |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, any news on tiny IPA ? Last time it that PoC patch passed right? | 17:04 |
| jroll | any other announcements? | 17:04 |
| rloo | devstack patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268960/, but are there any qa cores working today? | 17:04 |
| jroll | unclear at this time | 17:04 |
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| sambetts | lucasagomes: Yup tinyipa has passed in the gate, I've done some optimisations too, but can't get the RAM requirement below 384MB | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, nice! We can probably talk about tinyipa later on the meeting | 17:05 |
| sambetts | Ok :D | 17:05 |
| jroll | yeah, let's discuss that in open discussion | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | but even if its 384MB but startup time is very quick | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | we should def use it | 17:05 |
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| * jroll moves on | 17:06 | |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:06 |
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| jroll | as always, these are here: | 17:06 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a few to review | 17:06 |
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| rloo | lucasagomes, lintan, wrt live upgrades, is there a list of what needs to be done to get live upgrade working? | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: the biggest thing for that is getting it testing in the gate | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I gotta look, but i though it just needed some documentation | 17:07 |
| rloo | jroll: it needs more code. | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | yeah and gate testing | 17:07 |
| jroll | jlvillal has started on making grenade work, and then we can do a grenade partial | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: does it? | 17:08 |
| rloo | jroll: i know of at least one, let me find it. the one that clamps down the rpc version. | 17:08 |
| jroll | mmm | 17:08 |
| jroll | ok | 17:08 |
| jroll | honestly I won't believe it works until the gate says so | 17:08 |
| rloo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253355/ | 17:08 |
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| rloo | i was wondering if there were more patches needed besides that one. | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | lintan is not around the meeting (due TZ probably) but I will catch up with him | 17:09 |
| jroll | rloo: right, I'm not sure that's required but rather a nice to have | 17:09 |
| devananda | wow, osprofiler cross project spec landed after about 18 months of work. /me reads | 17:09 |
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| jroll | I could be wrong | 17:09 |
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| rloo | jroll: you need that, otherwise you would be upgrading to a new version when you have old version that doesn't support new version/objects. | 17:09 |
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| rloo | jroll: anyway, lets get more info from lintan. i wanted an idea of what was left to do there :) | 17:10 |
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| jroll | rloo: yeah, I think you're right, agree | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll, devananda: wrt node filtering API etc, that is low priority so should i remove it from subteam report until N* cycle? | 17:11 |
| rloo | oh, i gues that pertains to multiple compute hosts too. | 17:12 |
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| jroll | rloo: we still want to work on it this cycle, just not until the other priorities are more done | 17:12 |
| devananda | rloo: I think lucas has continued to work on that. I've had to put it on my back burner as I'm focusing onthe neutron integration | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll, devananda: OK | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I can drop it and work on other stuff. But i would like to move it at least a little this cycle | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | otherwise I think it will be hard to complete on the next cycle alone | 17:13 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: i think we should try to get the properties/capabilities into a separate table. | 17:13 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, that's a small step forward | 17:13 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I agree. do you think some of the internal refactoring can be done w/o any api changes this cycle? | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yes we can architect the database without exposing it in the API if needed | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | the API syntax itself for filtering will be a complex one, I would suggest we have a spec only for it | 17:15 |
| rloo | devananda: why don't you want any api change related to that? we have microversions to the rescue! :) | 17:15 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:15 |
| * dtantsur is looking forward to a new (micro)versioning flame war ^_^ | 17:15 | |
| * lucasagomes no war! | 17:15 | |
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| TheJulia | indeed dtantsur | 17:16 |
| devananda | rloo: because if we can't do internal refactoring *without* API changes, it's harder to make that backwards compatible (iow, downgrade the API version) | 17:16 |
| devananda | rloo: I didn't mean to imply that we should not change the API | 17:16 |
| devananda | but that the db schema changes and API changes should be done separately | 17:16 |
| devananda | which was a point lucasagomes and I were discussing (I think it was) last week | 17:17 |
| mgould | lucasagomes, we're still going for flattened-JSON-in-strings because we have to support SQLite, right? | 17:17 |
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| rloo | devananda: ok. we can discuss in the spec itself. | 17:17 |
| rloo | devananda: but if we have a new node.capabilities -- that means a microversion bump right there. | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | mgould, does mysql have native JSON support? I'm only aware of PostgreSQL's | 17:17 |
| devananda | rloo: indeed it does | 17:18 |
| devananda | dtantsur: not until 5.7, which isn't packaged widely yet | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, it's in the air, but I think we tend to use strings instead of native json | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | due the version of the databases to support it | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | rloo, it's not even a node.capabilities, it's a separate table IIUC | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | or am I wrong? | 17:18 |
| jroll | the capabilities move *can* still be done without api changes | 17:18 |
| mgould | lucasagomes :-( | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, the main point now is about having those strings indexed | 17:19 |
| mgould | yep | 17:19 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, a separate table, but represented via node.capabilities. i suppose we could just have the separate table but use it to populate node.properties['capabilities'] instead. | 17:19 |
| jroll | but let's not architect these things right now | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, which we may want to do by limiting the size of the key/values paris | 17:19 |
| devananda | my point was, I think that ^ could be done this cycle, since it sounds like the API changes need more time to bake | 17:19 |
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| jroll | to the spec! | 17:19 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:19 |
| rloo | jroll: ++ (sorry for sidetracking it) | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | but for that we need to move capabilities out of properties (and root device hints) | 17:19 |
| jroll | any other subteam things here? | 17:19 |
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| jroll | k, moving on | 17:20 |
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| jroll | #topic Node's tags optimization should we do it or not ? | 17:20 |
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| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253748/ | 17:20 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: this is you | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | hi, so there's this update to the nodes tag spec | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | it's introducing some optimization so we can reuse the tags name across multiple nodes (or even resources AFAIUI) | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | but I think this brings some extra complexity when updating/deleting those tags | 17:21 |
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| lucasagomes | as I have a limited database knowledge I added it to the agenda so more people can take a look at it | 17:22 |
| jroll | right, so I see the delete complexity | 17:22 |
| jroll | however we could just not delete the unused tags | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | that's a way to do it too | 17:22 |
| jroll | if too many show up, ops can remove them | 17:22 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:22 |
| rloo | jroll: do we have an API for ops to remove them? | 17:23 |
| devananda | I dont think this needs an API | 17:23 |
| jroll | then again, I'm not terribly convinced that we need this optimization at all | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | the spec mentions deletion, so it would need to be updated. As-is (incl. deletion) I think that we should keep the simplicity | 17:23 |
| jroll | I agree this doesn't need an API, it's DB pruning | 17:23 |
| rloo | how does ops remove them then? | 17:23 |
| devananda | rloo: mysql "delete from ... left join ... where col is null" | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ops can delete them from the nodes (node_tags table) | 17:23 |
| jroll | delete from tags where (something crazy to find unused tags); | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | but they tag name would live in the "tags" table still | 17:24 |
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| rloo | ahhhh.... i don't think we want to encourage ops to issue db calls directly. is that what you're thinking? | 17:24 |
| jroll | in normal operation, we don't | 17:24 |
| devananda | jroll, lucasagomes: so this optimization was my idea. If it's going to stall the work, we can punt / just not do it. the gains in performance will be measurable, but they won't be huge, and on a beefy database server, it'll be negligible | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | we also need an "upsert" logic to *add* tags, right? | 17:24 |
| * rloo doesn't recall the details of tags | 17:24 | |
| jroll | but db pruning... I don't see an issue | 17:25 |
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| jroll | devananda: yeah, I'm not sure this is necessary - if someone raises it as an actual issue they're running into, I'm inclined to refactor | 17:25 |
| devananda | ops do db maintenance periodically for many projects. especially Nova | 17:25 |
| jroll | did the existing schema land yet? | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I don't think it's going to stall the work. If we agree on not deleting that from tags the problem is solved | 17:25 |
| jroll | (I believe it did) | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | yeah, not deleting also solves problem with reliable insert | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: i could be wrong, but i seem to recall some mention downstream about not wanting ops to do db calls directly, if pruning is needed, then it seems like ironic should provide some way to do that pruning. | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: we could trivially add a cmdline option to dbsync | 17:26 |
| * mgould would be *astonished* if the tags table grew large enough to be a problem | 17:26 | |
| jroll | rloo: we could provide a script or something, sure | 17:26 |
| devananda | but I agree with mgould | 17:26 |
| mgould | the node_tags table, sure | 17:26 |
| rloo | devananda, jroll: Ok, a script is ok too. | 17:26 |
| devananda | it is, at most, about 2kb per row | 17:27 |
| devananda | including indexes | 17:27 |
| jroll | ok, so I'd vote to punt on this for now | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | we can recommend people not to create millions of tags :D | 17:28 |
| mgould | devananda, and maybe 1e4 rows? | 17:28 |
| jroll | does anyone vehemently disagree? | 17:28 |
| mgould | jroll, works for me | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, wfm | 17:28 |
| rloo | so if someone had 10s of thousands of nodes, we're good? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | punt = do not care about deletion? +1 | 17:28 |
| jroll | if they have thousands of tags across 10k nodes, it may become 10ms instead of 1ms | 17:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: punt on the whole thing | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | also +1 :) | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I think is punt on leaving as-is now (duplicating tag names across nodes) | 17:29 |
| jroll | (also those are totally random numbers, I could be way off) | 17:29 |
| mgould | what's the current state? A string field on the nodes table containing a list of tags? | 17:29 |
| devananda | jroll: my back of the envelope says at scale, the current table could become ~ 1GB | 17:29 |
| jroll | mgould: many to many table tags:nodes | 17:29 |
| mgould | jroll, gotcha | 17:30 |
| jroll | tag_string:node_id | 17:30 |
| jroll | that is | 17:30 |
| devananda | which is still perfefctly reasonable for any modern server to handle | 17:30 |
| jroll | I think | 17:30 |
| jroll | mgould: yeah, sorry, current table is tag_str:node_id, one row per tag/node combo | 17:30 |
| jroll | devananda: can you ask to punt this on the spec then? :) | 17:31 |
| devananda | punt ++ | 17:31 |
| mgould | punt ++ | 17:31 |
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| TheJulia | doh | 17:31 |
| jroll | alright, shall we move on then? | 17:32 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ | 17:32 |
| jroll | #agreed punt on tags optimizations as they probably aren't needed | 17:32 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:32 |
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| jroll | so I wanted to talk about tinyipa | 17:32 |
| jroll | I'm all about it, in that it improves gate times and in theory, success rate | 17:33 |
| jroll | however, would we recommend that people use it in production? and if not, are we comfortable testing with that? | 17:33 |
| jroll | and if we do switch our tests to use tinyipa, do we continue building/publishing the coreos ramdisk? do we gate on that? | 17:34 |
| rloo | we should test *something* that we think can be used in production | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | I would say we should still incentive people to use another ramdisk in production | 17:34 |
| devananda | I may need to be caught up -- why wouldn't someone use tinyipa in production? | 17:34 |
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| jroll | devananda: I'm not sure, that's why I ask | 17:35 |
| devananda | ok :) | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | since we boot VMs the kernel/base OS we use is not that important in gate, with tinyipa we are testing the ironic-python-agent code | 17:35 |
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| lucasagomes | so sounds like a good thing to do (due the limited resources we have) | 17:35 |
| jroll | that said, I'll always use the coreos one because debuggability and customization stories are far better | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:35 |
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| jroll | oh did sambetts miss all of that? :( | 17:36 |
| sambetts | :( my session just blew up | 17:36 |
| jroll | sambetts: https://gist.github.com/jimrollenhagen/43f3f41a2b6dd45f1cd3 | 17:36 |
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| zer0c00l | Where do i find more info on tinyipa | 17:36 |
| zer0c00l | ? | 17:36 |
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| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234902/ | 17:37 |
| jroll | zer0c00l: I'd show you but gerrit seems to be down :) | 17:37 |
| sambetts | zer0c00l: ^ | 17:37 |
| jroll | oh there you go | 17:37 |
| devananda | jroll: debugging is easier because the coreos ipa ramdisk has additional tools in it (like sshd)? or is there another reason? | 17:37 |
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| jroll | devananda: yes, that's the primary reason, easier to bake in ssh keys as well | 17:37 |
| jroll | devananda: and easy to customize to add additional tools, like say, tcpdump | 17:37 |
| jroll | especially useful if your agents don't have internet access :) | 17:38 |
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| devananda | jroll: I would say the same for the DIB-built IPA image | 17:38 |
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| jroll | devananda: I disagree, adding a hardware manager or a set of ssh keys would require writing a new DIB element | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ for the key injection thing, there's a element called dynamic-login in DIB | 17:38 |
| sambetts | jroll: making it easy to add additional tools is just down to making the build script better right? | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I've changed that | 17:38 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: can it add an arbitrary list of keys? | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/tree/master/elements/dynamic-login | 17:38 |
| Nisha | jroll, tinyipa is for bios and uefi? | 17:38 |
| jroll | sambetts: yeah maybe | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, well not that advanced, but you can configure key or password at boot time | 17:39 |
| jroll | Nisha: I'm not sure | 17:39 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, that doesn't help in production | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | via kernel cmdline if the image is built with that element (dynamic-login) | 17:39 |
| devananda | jroll: so I think your question is: (a) should we recommend using tinyipa downstream? (b) should we use it in the gate at all? (c) should we use it in the gate exclusively? | 17:39 |
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| devananda | I think (b) is obviously yes, since making boot times faster in the gate => more stability | 17:39 |
| jroll | devananda: yes, ty | 17:39 |
| devananda | I also think (a) determines (c) | 17:40 |
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| devananda | if we don't recommend it downstream (say, cause we still recommend the coreos ipa image) then we need to also test that in the gate | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | (b) is a yes for me as well... specially for things like granade, requiring 384MB vs 1GB is a good improvement | 17:40 |
| Nisha | jroll, AIUT it is building the deploy ramdisk using coreos | 17:40 |
| jroll | Nisha: it is not | 17:40 |
| jroll | devananda: I agree - but then the question for (c) is do we keep the jobs running on other ramdisks voting? | 17:41 |
| jroll | Nisha: and right now we're only discussing the gate so UEFI is irrelevant IMO | 17:41 |
| Nisha | jroll, ok | 17:41 |
| zer0c00l | i was looking at coreos ramdisk boot times other day, looks like it can be improved as well | 17:41 |
| zer0c00l | http://fpaste.org/312052/53138904/ | 17:42 |
| devananda | jroll: OT: do you want to start testing UEFI in the gate? :) | 17:42 |
| zer0c00l | look at ldconfig and systemd-hwdb-update they are not really needed | 17:42 |
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| zer0c00l | takes almost 20 sec | 17:42 |
| jroll | devananda: of course :) | 17:42 |
| Nisha | devananda, ++ | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I think we can test other ramdisks in gate if we limit the scope of it (just test deployment, no clean, no rebuild etc) | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | because tinyipa already test the ipa code | 17:43 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, not a bad idea | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | other ramdisks should be tested to see if it boots correctly (base OS + service files) | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | if things are getting started correctly and so on | 17:43 |
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| devananda | Nisha: it might be worthwhile to add UEFI VM support to devstack and the ssh (or libvirt) driver, so we can exercise those interfaces in the upstream gate | 17:44 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:44 |
| Nisha | devananda, noted :) | 17:44 |
| zer0c00l | another important aspect of a ramdisk and kernel is their hardware enablement, does tinycorelinux gets updated often? | 17:44 |
| devananda | zer0c00l: good point | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | zer0c00l, less often than other I believe... but since in gate we test on VMs | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | tinyapi seems ok | 17:45 |
| devananda | that probably has the most impact on whether we recommend this downstream -- and the tinyipa image build tools | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | 3rd party CI can use other ramdisks if they want | 17:45 |
| zer0c00l | okay | 17:45 |
| devananda | sounds like we can't remove other images from the gate, because we've just recognized that downstream folks will still have need of them | 17:45 |
| Nisha | devananda, but we cannot use coreos for uefi as it doesnt support building uefi deploy image as of now. | 17:45 |
| Nisha | devananda, anyway noted for enhancement :) | 17:46 |
| pas-ha | btw, re using smaller boostrap image and have better extensibility - please check out proposed ansible-deploy driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238183/ | 17:46 |
| devananda | jroll: on another topic, also related to testing, have you seen the libvirt driver proposal? | 17:46 |
| jroll | pas-ha: that won't help with the gate though :( | 17:46 |
| jroll | devananda: yes, I'm apathetic | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | (off-topic) but QEMU is adding IPMI support https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/23076bb34b049f5908fefae19266d3f25f55fd3e | 17:47 |
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| jroll | devananda: I don't see enough benefit there to spend time on it right now with all these other things lagging behind | 17:47 |
| jroll | I mean | 17:47 |
| * TheJulia blinks | 17:47 | |
| devananda | jroll: in as much as it may make it easier to test things like the management interface for boot device config, gathering "sensor data", etc | 17:47 |
| jroll | RAID has been done forever | 17:47 |
| jroll | but we can't use it | 17:47 |
| devananda | jroll: I am interested in it -- but also don't feel any priority for it | 17:47 |
| jroll | because manual cleaning is still hanging around | 17:47 |
| devananda | yah | 17:47 |
| jroll | and I really wish folks would focus on important things like that, rather than re-writing a testing driver | 17:48 |
| devananda | jroll: preaching to the choir ... | 17:48 |
| jroll | :) | 17:48 |
| jroll | ok so going back to tinyipa; | 17:49 |
| Nisha | jroll, RAID CLI and doc is in progress...sorry couldnt spend much time on upstream | 17:49 |
| mgould | jroll, is there a description of the manual cleaning problem somewhere? | 17:49 |
| Nisha | should be usable once manual cleaning in in | 17:50 |
| jroll | I say we get that code in, and enable a non-voting job to use it | 17:50 |
| jroll | and go from there | 17:50 |
| jroll | sound good? | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:50 |
| jroll | mgould: it lacks sufficient code review. | 17:50 |
| rloo | mgould: it is one of the subteam reports, take a look at the etherpad | 17:50 |
| Nisha | jroll ++ | 17:50 |
| mgould | rloo, thanks | 17:51 |
| jroll | sambetts: can you hammer out a project-config patch that makes a non-voting tinyipa job, and I'll do my best to make sure that code gets in soonish? | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | ++ for -nv tinyipa | 17:51 |
| sambetts | jroll: Will do :) | 17:51 |
| jroll | thanks much | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | or even experimental for now | 17:52 |
| jroll | anything else for open discussion? | 17:52 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: meh, fast-tracking :) | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | heh just throwing the idea out | 17:52 |
| jroll | ok I'll give people another 60 seconds to throw anything else out | 17:53 |
| jroll | only 6 minutes left anyway | 17:53 |
| jroll | thanks all :) | 17:54 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-01-18-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
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