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| elmiko | hi | 14:00 |
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| esikachev | hi! | 14:00 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:00 |
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| elmiko | is SergeyLukjanov joining, or should i start things? | 14:01 |
| huichun | Hello | 14:01 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 14:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:02 |
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| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:02 |
| elmiko | question, do we still need the sahara@horizon agenda item? | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, 2 mins late | 14:02 |
| elmiko | (it looked like most of the links on the etherpad are completed) | 14:02 |
| elmiko | #chair SergeyLukjanov | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 14:02 |
| elmiko | np SergeyLukjanov | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | seems like time to remove it elmiko | 14:02 |
| elmiko | the floor is yours =) | 14:03 |
| elmiko | ack, i'll cut it | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko thx :) | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there should be no more merging issues ;) | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 14:03 |
| elmiko | none here | 14:03 |
| sreshetnyak | nothing | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to remove separated dashboard discussion item from meeting regular agenda | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agree to remove separated dashboard discussion item from meeting regular agenda | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | hi | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | (including dashboard :) ) | 14:04 |
| sreshetnyak | I'm working on support running sahara-api via apache | 14:05 |
| AndreyPavlov | i've been working on distributed periodic tasks implementation | 14:05 |
| elmiko | i've got the last part of the improved-secret-store spec up for review (cdh passwords), and am bringing the api v2 wiki into shape. i've also been investigating some security issues with sahara related to our bandit gate. | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll be in CA for the next 2-3 month starting this weekends, so, will be available in PST time zone | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | made some researches for health checks, writing spec is in the progress | 14:05 |
| esikachev | i am working on moving sahara scenario tests | 14:06 |
| huichun | elmiko: EDP log enhancement spec updated need your review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245571/ | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev is currently actively working on the scenario tests separation and hopefully we'll get it soon | 14:06 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: wow, nice long stay. getting away from the snow? | 14:06 |
| elmiko | huichun: ack, i will take a look today | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, it was -20 C few days ago | 14:06 |
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| elmiko | yeeeouch! | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev could you please send a link to the CR for tests? | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm almost finished with internal tests, will be moving to dashboard activities soon | 14:07 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov EDP scheduler patch has been long time reviewed, and the integration tests has been passed. Ready to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182310/ | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info we'll have Mitaka-2 next week | 14:07 |
| esikachev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267543/ | 14:08 |
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| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: ^^ | 14:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun ack | 14:08 |
| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: other patches merged | 14:08 |
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| huichun | elmiko: suspend edp patch has been updated, long time reviewed, need your review too ^ ^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201448/ | 14:09 |
| tosky | esikachev: thanks for the work on moving scenario tests (and thanks more for keeping the history) | 14:09 |
| elmiko | huichun: thanks, i'll add it to my queue ;) | 14:10 |
| esikachev | tosky: np) | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | actually regarding the tests move | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've pushed the cleaned-up by esikachev base code to the sahara-scenario repo | 14:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, please, do not merge into the scenario tests in the sahara repo | 14:12 |
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| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 14:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we're planning to rename repo on the next maintainence window from sahara-scenario to sahara-tests | 14:12 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:13 |
| tosky | when is it planned more or less? | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rename? | 14:13 |
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| tosky | yes; one week, two weeks... ? | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no idea, hopefully no more then few weeks | 14:13 |
| tosky | ok | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have a request for one more rename, so, probably earlier than later, will decide next Tue on the infra meeting | 14:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:14 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have one | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky to comment on the scenario separation spec about git grafting the history | 14:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but I think it's fully resolved ;) | 14:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky could you please ack if you're ok with how it looks like now? | 14:15 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: yes, it's good, thanks | 14:15 |
| tosky | ack here or on the review? | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here is enough | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Separated launchpad for sahara-dashboard | 14:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I remember there were questions about where to manage sahara-dashboard blueprints and etc. | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO for now it's better to keep it in sahara project, because we have the same release cycle, specs and etc. | 14:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts? | 14:16 |
| NikitaKonovalov | are there any examples of other projects tracking their dashboard separately? | 14:17 |
| tosky | I agree to keep them into sahara; you can easily search by tags, as it was done up to this point | 14:17 |
| elmiko | i think trove just decided to make a separate lp for their dashboard | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | I agree with SergeyLukjanov position | 14:17 |
| elmiko | and iirc, there are a few others that manage their dashboard through a separate lp | 14:17 |
| elmiko | but, i'm ok with keeping it in the same | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, nope, I've never seen such | 14:18 |
| elmiko | the one nice point about having the dashboard stuff in a separate lp is that we can add horizon cores to that project | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | It will be friendly for users in most cases, bug manager will decide correct scope of the bug | 14:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, oh, I've missed this (re trove) | 14:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: look at trove | 14:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: they just decided that last week | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 14:18 |
| huichun | vgridnev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201448/ suspend EDP patch updated according to your review comments | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | huichun, ok | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, what's the profit of having horizon-cores added at launchpad? | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can have them at gerrit and it's not related | 14:19 |
| tosky | elmiko: add horizon core to the project, does it change something? | 14:20 |
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| tosky | ups, too slow to type :) | 14:20 |
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| elmiko | tosky: i meant, add them to the lp project for just the dashboard. (i'm not even sure they'd want to, but it was an interesting topic brought up in the trove discussion) | 14:20 |
| tosky | ok, but as SergeyLukjanov pointed out, gerrit permissions are not related | 14:21 |
| elmiko | right | 14:21 |
| elmiko | and don't get me wrong, i'm not arguing to make our dashboard separate. i think it's fine how it is | 14:21 |
| tosky | no, I was really trying to understand if there is some difference for some ACL, for example | 14:22 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: the point that was made by the trove team was that having a separate lp for dashboard would give them more granularity to allow the horizon cores to manage the dashboard lp, if necessary | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky only bugs and bp management | 14:22 |
| elmiko | tosky: i'm not exactly sure on that point | 14:22 |
| elmiko | yea, i think they mainly were interested in bug mgmt by horizon cores, if necessary | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko unfortunately I don't know why horizon folks will want to manage lp of some external dashboard :) | 14:23 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: me either ;) | 14:23 |
| tosky | which I don't think they (horizon core) would ever do | 14:23 |
| tosky | exactly | 14:23 |
| elmiko | tosky: right... | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think they a lot of things to do in their project :) | 14:23 |
| elmiko | so, i'm +1 for keeping it in the same lp | 14:23 |
| elmiko | could be | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, seems like we all don't see any reasons for separating right now | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's keep this item for the next meeting if some one will find out why we should do it | 14:24 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic clouds.yaml support, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236712/ | 14:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236712/ | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don't know who added this item, but it's the thing I was planning to discuss too ;) | 14:25 |
| elmiko | i added it =) | 14:25 |
| elmiko | and i know you saw the review, i was just curious if we had someone who will take up this work? | 14:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think apavlov can do it | 14:26 |
| tosky | elmiko: is it just for the CLI? Given that we are migrating to openstackclient, does it make sense to add support to the old CLI client? | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov ^^ | 14:26 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ^ | 14:26 |
| elmiko | tosky: right... it may not even be worth it | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think only for the new CLI | 14:27 |
| elmiko | right | 14:27 |
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| elmiko | so, if we are planning to fully integrate with openstackclient then we might not need to | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and as I understand it should be easy to do | 14:27 |
| elmiko | yea, the patch looked relatively small | 14:27 |
| tosky | the line "Many projects provide openstackclient extensions rather than their own client, so are covered already." sounds like you don't need to do anything, but I don't know the internal there | 14:28 |
| elmiko | on this topic though, will we be planning to integrate with the openstacksdk project? | 14:28 |
| elmiko | tosky: yea, it would mainly be if we planned to port it into the sahara cli tool | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I have a feeling that it should be anyway checked | 14:29 |
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| tosky | sure | 14:30 |
| elmiko | it's a nice convenience for our users to have | 14:30 |
| tosky | just wondering | 14:30 |
| tosky | I totally agree it's useful | 14:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov please check it | 14:32 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov and AndreyPavlov =) | 14:32 |
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| AndreyPavlov | SergeyLukjanov: sure, i will | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic API v2 progress | 14:33 |
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| elmiko | hey | 14:33 |
| elmiko | so, i've got a few updates here | 14:33 |
| elmiko | 1. please, more reviews on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212172/ | 14:33 |
| elmiko | i need to add something about tempest tests, but this spec is quite old now... | 14:33 |
| elmiko | 2. i'm adding more content into #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:34 |
| elmiko | i will soon start adding the individual work items to that page | 14:34 |
| elmiko | and, finally | 14:34 |
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| elmiko | 3. i'm getting an experimental version of the /v2 endpoint up and running with the project id removed from the uri | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool! | 14:34 |
| elmiko | any questions, comments, or concerns? | 14:34 |
| elmiko | =) | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko great work | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've added CR to my list | 14:35 |
| elmiko | sweet, thanks SergeyLukjanov ! | 14:35 |
| elmiko | that's all i had | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything to discuss now, elmiko ? | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:36 |
| elmiko | not unless there are questions | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:36 |
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| elmiko | trove and hbase, i hope everyone has taken a look at this #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083422.html | 14:36 |
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| elmiko | i've commented as much as i can, but if we have some hbase experts it would be nice if they could read that | 14:37 |
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| elmiko | trove is proposing adding hbase standalone and pseudo-distrib. as datastores | 14:37 |
| elmiko | by themselves, these modes are not production ready | 14:37 |
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| elmiko | so the next question is, where will this go with trove, and can we help with some sort of integration? | 14:37 |
| elmiko | i don't think they want to do that currently, but still we should help to expose the issues they might run into | 14:38 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: I have seen many data pipeline solution (aws, LinkedIn'solution..) compared with our Sahara EDP engine, I think maybe next release we should talk about this integration,IMO, data pipe line is more useful and practical | 14:41 |
| elmiko | different topic, has anyone been looking at openstacksdk, and i think we should start planning to integrate =) | 14:41 |
| huichun | elmiko: | 14:41 |
| elmiko | interesting, i'm not that familiar with data pipeline | 14:41 |
| elmiko | huichun: do you have any links that we could read about it? | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, re trove vs hbase - I don't know how to say that many of HBase users using not only Hbase, but other parts of Hadoop world | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, re standalone and pseudo == 100% useless | 14:43 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: right... | 14:43 |
| huichun | elmiko: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/datapipeline/latest/DeveloperGuide/what-is-datapipeline.html | 14:43 |
| elmiko | and that was brought up on the ML | 14:43 |
| elmiko | huichun: thanks! | 14:43 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: anyways, it would be nice to have more voices in that thread | 14:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko re sdk - I haven't seen yet, it'll be cool if you can make some short overview | 14:44 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack, i'll do that for next meeting =) | 14:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun do you mean to support pipelines from sahara or implement in sahara? | 14:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, thx! | 14:44 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko do short overview of openstacksdk for next meeting | 14:44 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: we have two option,one is create a standalone project named data pipeline(use Sahara) | 14:45 |
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| huichun | Second is redesign current EDP engine to support data pipeline | 14:46 |
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| weiting | Actually we did so many discussions internally abotu data pipeline idea, we thought it could be another project in OpenStack and equivalent with AWS Data Pipeline. | 14:47 |
| elmiko | interesting | 14:48 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: many company use data pipeline to solve their problem with EMR | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, we were having a lot of discussions about it in Mirantis too | 14:48 |
| huichun | LinkedIn. Netflix etc | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like it should live one more layer upper | 14:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | like some project that will use trove, sahara, murano as a providers of building blocks and actions and mistral to define and execute flows | 14:49 |
| huichun | Yes | 14:50 |
| weiting | Yes, agree with SergeyLukjanov. | 14:50 |
| huichun | But it's a huge change, actually redesign the EDP parts | 14:50 |
| weiting | And if it is possible Sahara can also be used in Murano for better support. | 14:51 |
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| weiting | An example like AWS, Data Pipeline also call EMR to build a Hadoop cluster. | 14:51 |
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| elmiko | i like the idea of higher level openstack apps | 14:52 |
| weiting | But Data Pipeline's capabilities are not only for Hadoop cluster, but also for the data flow control. | 14:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have some ideas of implementing sahara support in murano to able to use all sahara capabilities from murano | 14:52 |
| weiting | That's why we thought this should be a high level openstack apps. | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but last time we checked murano was too limited for it | 14:52 |
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| elmiko | ah, too bad | 14:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in theory it fits the murano goals as it related to the app catalog and it itself is a set of building blocks | 14:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | are you talking about a.o.o or murano as app-catalog? =) | 14:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko it was around half of year ago, so, I think we'll need to re-avaluate it in Mitaka for sure | 14:54 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:54 |
| weiting | Our idea is Sahara can keep the focus for provisioning a Hadoop/Spark cluster and we can have a higher level project to control the data flow. | 14:54 |
| elmiko | weiting: i'm actually working on something similar, albeit smaller in scope, to propose as a talk for openstack summit in austin | 14:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kzaitsev_mb re murano as catalog, a.o.o is just a list of apps | 14:55 |
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| weiting | elmiko, great to hear this info. | 14:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | some parts of data flow could be (and I think should be) supported directly by sahara | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but only the BigData related parts and not too upper layer | 14:55 |
| elmiko | agreed | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | in general - the data flows are super wide term and it includes every resource and capabilities that could be provided by openstack | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | including integration with AWS for example for multicloud usage | 14:56 |
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| elmiko | yea, this is perfect for higher order applications | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | we should keep sahara focused on its specialties | 14:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | agree | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 14:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any last minute q? | 14:58 |
| elmiko | everyone having a nice new year? ;) | 14:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so far so good | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 14:59:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-14-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks! | 14:59 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-14-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-14-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:01 |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:01 |
| pavel_bondar__ | Hi | 15:01 |
| xiaohhui | hello | 15:01 |
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| * tidwellr1 thinks we should get started | 15:06 | |
| tidwellr1 | #startmeeting neutron-L3 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 15:06:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:06 |
| tidwellr1 | #chair mlavalle carl_baldwin | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm mobile. Thanks for starting. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr1 | 15:06 |
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| tidwellr1 | any announcements? | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr1: agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr1: first obvious annoucement is mitaka 1, January 16th | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | any other? | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron-L3)" | 15:09 | |
| mlavalle | We didn't have much change since last week | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | we have the same 3 high priority bugs | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Proposed solution is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | It was recently reviewed by carl_baldwin and kevinbenton with a couple of -1. Expecting next revision | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | any other comments about this one? | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516260 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516260 in neutron "L3 agent sync_routers timeouts may cause cluster to fall down" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | The proposed solution is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/ | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | It has several fresh +1's. I guess we need some +2's to keep it going | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | haleyb_: you +1 it. any comments? | 15:13 |
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| haleyb_ | mlavalle: my only comment was about the constant re-calculation of the chunk size, otherwise i'm fine with it | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | haleyb_: thanks, let's move on | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Finally, this week we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527089 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527089 in neutron "[ipam] Port ID is not present in port dict that is passed to AddressRequestFactory" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | Proposed solution is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259697/ | 15:15 |
| pavel_bondar__ | Looks like we have a consensus on how it should be fixed | 15:15 |
| pavel_bondar__ | So I'll try to prepare PS2 somewhere tomorrow | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | pavel_bondar__: thanks, I was about to ask that. Any other comments? | 15:16 |
| pavel_bondar__ | no | 15:16 |
| pavel_bondar__ | should be not too complex to fix | 15:16 |
| pavel_bondar__ | just need to find some free cycles | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar__: we all have the same challenge :-) | 15:16 |
| pavel_bondar__ | :-) | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs I might be missing? | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed Network segments | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: you are up ^^^^ | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | maybe carl_baldwin is having some communication problem. Let's move on...... | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron-L3)" | 15:20 | |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:20 |
| vikram | hi | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr1: you are up | 15:20 |
| * carl_baldwin having IRC connection troubles. Just getting laptop open. | 15:21 | |
| * carl_baldwin sorry | 15:21 | |
| tidwellr1 | I'm thinking we may end up taking discussion of this elsewhere, there's a suggestion from a couple cores that this should spin out into the neutron stadium | 15:21 |
| juno-zhu | tidwellr1: i see some reviewers suggest move bgp to neutron stadium, any conclusion about it? | 15:21 |
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| tidwellr1 | juno_zhu: I'm actually perfectly fine with that, I think at this point we need to go through the administrative hoops to open up a stadium project | 15:22 |
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| vikram | I also feel stadium project will be better | 15:23 |
| vikram | provides more flexibility and less overhead to neutron | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr1, vikram: any other comment for today? | 15:24 |
| vikram | tidwellr1: Is it finalized or still got to get some consensus? | 15:24 |
| juno-zhu | tidwellri: so you are preparing for moving to neutron stadium? | 15:24 |
| vikram | tidwellr1: PTL got to approve | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: There will be some changes to Neutron proper, right? | 15:24 |
| tidwellr1 | yes, there small changes need to Neutron proper | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: vikram: I'll bring this up to the PTL today. It shouldn't be a problem. | 15:24 |
| tidwellr1 | just notifications that need to be generated by the L3 plugin | 15:25 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: yes there will .. I was wondering about agent scheduler part | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: We should have those lined up as soon as possible if it is any different than what you already have up. | 15:25 |
| vikram | if we do in a stadium | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: The scheduler is all BGP, right? | 15:25 |
| tidwellr1 | I have the notifications lined up, they just need a little polish | 15:25 |
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| vikram | carl_baldwin: I think we still use some common code | 15:26 |
| tidwellr1 | carl_baldwin: you pointed out some things with the notifications | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: Right. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | I imagine those changes will be subject to the Mitaka deadline. | 15:27 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: okay will explore more on that | 15:27 |
| tidwellr1 | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241062/ is all I know for sure that we must have in Neutron main repo | 15:27 |
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| vikram | tidwellr1: Let's spun this out and figure out what al dependencies we have | 15:28 |
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| vikram | tidwellr1: Let me try it out | 15:29 |
| tidwellr1 | maybe we can take it up in the DNS discussion, but I glanced at a discussion involving mlavalle and notifications earlier this week, maybe we need the same notifications? | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr1: yeah, I am using notifications to interact with the core plugin to catch port related events: creation, update, delete | 15:30 |
| tidwellr1 | ok, we may need some of those too | 15:31 |
| tidwellr1 | we can take that offline | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | ping me any time | 15:31 |
| tidwellr1 | to put a bow on it, we're looking at moving to a stadium repo but are prioritizing the patches that need to land in the main repo | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr1, vikram: should we move on? | 15:32 |
| tidwellr1 | yes | 15:32 |
| vikram | yup | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks for the update guys | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | let's try carl_baldwin again.... | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed network segments | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed network segments (Meeting topic: neutron-L3)" | 15:33 | |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | The discussion is heating up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | I also have a Nova spec up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Please join the discussion. I think this version of the spec may be the sweet spot that could let us move forward. | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see mestery, kevinbenton, and armax have expressed some concerns that I will address today as a priority. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | There will be a lot of work to do and it will help to have many familiar with the plan. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | That's about all I have. | 15:36 |
| * mlavalle has already said will help with routed networks | 15:36 | |
| mlavalle | moving on..... | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I think I got you on there. If not, I'll be sure you're on there. | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | I got a very good review from carl_baldwin to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | all the rest calls to Designate are out of core plugin db transactions | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | now based on the latest review, I am also taking out the rest calls from the l3 plugin db trasactions as well | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | it turns out that it is easier in this case | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | and later we might formalize the mechanism with callbacks, per conversation with carl_baldwin | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | I should be able to push the next revision tomorrow. After that, I think it is very close | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | any questions, comments? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on...... | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Address scopes | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: you are up again.... | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | This is going really well. The last major patch is the next one to merge. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/212669 | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | It is still marked WIP but it is very close to being mature. | 15:42 |
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| steve_ruan | @carl_baldwin, address sciope can't work | 15:42 |
| steve_ruan | with static route | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Need to verify that DVR and HA are handled correctly. I think we've worked out how those will work. | 15:43 |
| steve_ruan | will it to be fixed in M relase? | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | steve_ruan: I was just about to mention. | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | We have a plan for it. | 15:43 |
| steve_ruan | ok | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | We do need to propose an API change to make static route address scope aware. I've been working on that this week. | 15:44 |
| tidwellr1 | FYI the CLI code has now merged | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | steve_ruan: With the patch that is up for review now, we will ensure that static routes work as they do today without address scopes. Then, we will look at the change to make it address scope aware. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | steve_ruan: Thanks for bringing that up. | 15:45 |
| steve_ruan | carl_baldwin： thanks, got it | 15:45 |
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| * mlavalle impressed about how carl_baldwin had a quick answer under the sleeve :-) | 15:46 | |
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| * carl_baldwin impressed I had an answer at all. ;) | 15:47 | |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: tidwellr1: that is all. | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | thanks for the update | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open discussion | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | Per my comment of last week, I want to introduce janzian (James Anziano) | 15:48 |
| janzian | Hello everyone | 15:48 |
| tidwellr1 | welcome | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | he has joined my team and will be focused on Neutron | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | I am getting him up to speed over the next few weeks and the idea is to help him to start contributing code to the community as soon as possible | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | janzian: pleased to meet you | 15:50 |
| janzian | carl_baldwin: Likewise :) | 15:50 |
| janzian | I look forward to working with everyone | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | janzian: welcome | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:51 |
| haleyb_ | I ran into an issue with the RA and PD options not being visible in the l3-agent and it's unit tests, and it's now popped-up in other reviews. I've proposed a fix at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266613/ just looking for feedback | 15:51 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb_: thanks for the heads up | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | ok, going once | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | going twice | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks for attending team, let's continue the conversation on Neutron channel | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 15:53:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-14-15.06.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-14-15.06.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-01-14-15.06.log.html | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr1: thanks for getting us going today :-) | 15:53 |
| tidwellr1 | malavalle: no worries | 15:53 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 16:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | hiya | 16:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | slow day... | 16:02 |
| etoews | smallish crowd today | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-17-16.00.html | 16:02 |
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| cdent | I did mine | 16:03 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:03 |
| etoews | huzzah! | 16:03 |
| cdent | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses#Telemetry | 16:03 |
| cdent | I know, right? I'm pretty impressed too. | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | that page has filled out nicely | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 16:04 |
| etoews | looks like a pretty good cross section of projects to me | 16:04 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:04 |
| cdent | This big "GET / requires auth, which is probably a bug. " is being fixed in at least gnocchi | 16:05 |
| cdent | s/big/bit/ | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | i noticed sahara does that too, should these calls be unauth'd? | 16:05 |
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| cdent | I tend to think: why should they be authed? | 16:06 |
| elmiko | or is that a decision we leave up to the projects? | 16:06 |
| elmiko | yea, i agree. just didn't know the full history | 16:06 |
| cdent | me neither | 16:06 |
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| elmiko | ok, maybe i'll push on sahara then. thanks | 16:07 |
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| cdent | It turns out that the fix in gnocchi is more complex than I would have predicted, because of keystone middleware | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | doh! | 16:07 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266301/ | 16:07 |
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| etoews | okay to move on? | 16:09 |
| elmiko | good here | 16:10 |
| etoews | #topic openstack summit in austin | 16:10 |
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| etoews | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/ | 16:10 |
| etoews | i actually live in the austin area so this will be nice :) | 16:11 |
| elmiko | so, you'll be showing us the hot night spots ;) | 16:11 |
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| etoews | :P | 16:11 |
| etoews | i know a few places to get a good beer | 16:12 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:12 |
| * cdent needs a bit of mexican food | 16:12 | |
| etoews | they better be serving breakfast tacos every morning or it will be an outrage | 16:12 |
| elmiko | ooh, yea, i heard rumors of breakfast tacos | 16:12 |
| elmiko | must try | 16:12 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:12 |
| elmiko | as for the actual summit itself, i'm totally up for doing another "state of the wg" type session | 16:13 |
| etoews | cool. | 16:13 |
| elmiko | it was small in tokyo, but we had a really nice discussion | 16:13 |
| cdent | the new track rules are interesting but kinda make sense | 16:13 |
| ryansb | oh mean, I forgot Austin would have great texmex | 16:13 |
| etoews | we have to submit it formally as a presentation this year. | 16:13 |
| ryansb | best summit ever | 16:13 |
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| elmiko | and i would really like to talk more about the mission of the wg, and if it's appropriate to work on code projects under the guise of the wg | 16:13 |
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| etoews | didn't we already okay that? | 16:14 |
| etoews | ryansb: it's gonna be a good one ;) | 16:14 |
| elmiko | ah, did we? if so, maybe i misse dit | 16:14 |
| cdent | there was a bit of pushback from somewher, but I can't remember where/when | 16:14 |
| cdent | things went funky one xmas rolled around | 16:14 |
| elmiko | yea, that's what i thought too | 16:14 |
| cdent | everything is a haze now | 16:14 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:14 |
| etoews | we discussed in an api wg meeting sometime last year | 16:14 |
| elmiko | yea, when the fairy-slipper stuff came up | 16:15 |
| elmiko | and actually, i think i owe the ML a message about project ideas | 16:15 |
| etoews | i'm basically a +0 on it | 16:15 |
| elmiko | ok, noted | 16:15 |
| etoews | no strong opinion but i'm certainly not against it. | 16:15 |
| elmiko | we had some good excitement for an "example project" at the summit | 16:15 |
| etoews | and i have zero time to put towards something like that | 16:16 |
| elmiko | fair | 16:16 |
| etoews | but if you can build some momentum for the api wg with it. more power to you. | 16:16 |
| elmiko | i'm up for taking the reigns on this one, if we get some good traction | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm trying to build up a good piece of code to show off | 16:16 |
| * cdent gives elmiko some leather | 16:16 | |
| etoews | cool. just go for it. no need for more discussion. | 16:16 |
| cdent | you can probably pick up some boots in austin | 16:16 |
| elmiko | great, thanks! | 16:16 |
| etoews | you can definitely pick up boots in austin. they come with a free 10 gallon hat. | 16:17 |
| elmiko | ooh, nice =) | 16:17 |
| ryansb | for an extra buck, you can upgrade to a 15 gallon hat | 16:17 |
| cdent | big hat, no cattle | 16:17 |
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| etoews | cdent: elmiko: how do you want to get the prez proposal written up? etherpad like last cycle? | 16:18 |
| cdent | sounds good | 16:18 |
| elmiko | etoews: yea, i think that work | 16:18 |
| elmiko | s | 16:18 |
| etoews | do you have a link handy to the last one? | 16:18 |
| * cdent looks at elmiko | 16:18 | |
| * etoews looks at elmiko | 16:19 | |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-api-wg-session-plans | 16:19 |
| elmiko | this one? | 16:19 |
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| etoews | i don't even know what the n release is going to be called :| | 16:20 |
| cdent | legal is still chewing, aren't they? | 16:20 |
| etoews | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:20 |
| ryansb | cdent: yeah, haven't seen anything other than the poll | 16:20 |
| ryansb | so someone is chewing | 16:21 |
| etoews | far too much time/effort/money is spent on that naming nonsense IMO | 16:21 |
| etoews | anyway, don't want to go off on that tangent | 16:21 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:22 |
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| cdent | i'll drop some stuff on that tomorrow after sleeping on it | 16:23 |
| cdent | (that's my new strategy for everything: tomorrow after I sleep on it) | 16:23 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:24 |
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| etoews | cdent: your taking advantage of your diffuse mode thinking | 16:25 |
| etoews | s/your/you're/ | 16:25 |
| etoews | i do that often too | 16:25 |
| cdent | I guess someone decided the proposal process was too chaotic. Lots more rules and forms and guidelines and what not this time around. I guess that's to dissuade the dilletantes | 16:25 |
| cdent | diffuse mode is where the cool stuff is | 16:26 |
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| etoews | i copied the CFP sections into the etherpad. i think most of those section can be pretty "thin" for a WG prez proposal. | 16:26 |
| cdent | agreed | 16:26 |
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| etoews | okay. we just need to get it finished by feb. 1. lots of time. | 16:27 |
| etoews | let's move on | 16:27 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:27 |
| etoews | #topic magnum api refresh | 16:27 |
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| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-unified-container-actions | 16:27 |
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| etoews | the magnum team seems to be considering a big api refresh. maybe a v2? | 16:28 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:28 |
| etoews | i highlight this because this is an area i'm becoming much more involved in | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | nice, looks like a cool project | 16:29 |
| etoews | the new carina (containers as a service) product at rackspace will be built on magum | 16:29 |
| etoews | #link https://getcarina.com/ | 16:29 |
| elmiko | oh yea, i remember looking at that after the keynotes. looks very cool! | 16:29 |
| etoews | so we want to make sure they have a first rate api | 16:29 |
| etoews | another person on my team is taking the lead on proposing changes and i'm helping guide from an api wg perspective | 16:30 |
| elmiko | do they just want more eyes on the proposal? | 16:30 |
| etoews | i expect so | 16:30 |
| elmiko | k | 16:30 |
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| etoews | some parts of that api make heavy use of actions. | 16:31 |
| elmiko | ah, interesting | 16:31 |
| etoews | so i pointed them at #link https://review.openstack.org/234994 | 16:31 |
| cdent | that old canard | 16:31 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:31 |
| cdent | ;) | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | i like that spec, but it seemed to run aground slightly | 16:31 |
| cdent | sort of my fault | 16:31 |
| etoews | hopefully some of the work in magnum can feedback into that guideline | 16:32 |
| elmiko | also, i think we probably need to carry the baton from miguelgrinberg as i think he is working on other things now | 16:32 |
| etoews | cdent: anything you can do to move it forward? | 16:32 |
| cdent | That's a shame | 16:32 |
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| cdent | I can re-evalulate my position and add a dash of pragmatism and it will probably be all fine. | 16:32 |
| elmiko | i can take over and attempt to address the issue in the guideline if folks want? | 16:33 |
| etoews | sgtm | 16:33 |
| cdent | I was originally trying to push for some measure of aspiration | 16:33 |
| etoews | as long as that's cool with miguelgrinberg | 16:33 |
| elmiko | i *think* so, but i'll ping him | 16:33 |
| ryansb | etoews: he emailed the heat team to that effect | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to ping miguelgrinberg about taking over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/ | 16:33 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:33 |
| ryansb | (as in, go ahead and take over my WIP, my focus is changing a bit) | 16:33 |
| cdent | #action cdent to re-review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/ with an eye to reaching consensus | 16:34 |
| ryansb | fwiw | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ryansb: ah, which one was yours? | 16:34 |
| ryansb | no, I mean miguel said that | 16:34 |
| elmiko | oh, great. thanks | 16:35 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines to propose for freeze | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines to propose for freeze (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:36 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743 | 16:36 |
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| cdent | yes | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i added this, seemed like it was ready again | 16:37 |
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| etoews | elmiko: go ahead and freeze it | 16:37 |
| elmiko | k, i'll make the preparations ;) | 16:37 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to freeze https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743 | 16:37 |
| etoews | prepare it for freezing in carbonite | 16:38 |
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| * elmiko calls ahead to Lando | 16:38 | |
| cdent | best leave him in there, things get dangerous after he's let out | 16:38 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:39 |
| etoews | :) | 16:39 |
| etoews | this needs more eyeballs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243041/ | 16:39 |
| elmiko | yes, +1 | 16:40 |
| etoews | #action etoews to add more eyeballs to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243041/ | 16:40 |
| elmiko | we also merged two very old guidelines =) | 16:40 |
| cdent | that reminds me: I think we probably need to send a reminder to the mailing list about the group's existence, because of the usual post xmas amnesia | 16:40 |
| elmiko | ooh, good idea | 16:41 |
| elmiko | "happy new year from the api-wg" ? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | ;) | 16:41 |
| cdent | so that people who would normally be here remember to come and to review (before freeze time) | 16:41 |
| etoews | cdent: care to send that reminder? | 16:42 |
| cdent | Sure, can do | 16:42 |
| cdent | #action cdent send an api-wg exists reminder email | 16:43 |
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| etoews | ++ | 16:43 |
| etoews | #action etoews to add more eyeballs to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254895/ | 16:43 |
| elmiko | +1 * 2 ;) | 16:43 |
| etoews | i'll hold off on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/ until it gets at least one more patch set (likely from elmiko) | 16:44 |
| elmiko | cool, i'll get that in before the next meeting | 16:44 |
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| etoews | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187896/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243414/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243429/ are in need of some love | 16:46 |
| etoews | alex_xu: do you have sometime to review/update those guidelines? ^ | 16:46 |
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| etoews | this seems like a reasonable thing to do but i'm not really familiar with it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267329/ | 16:48 |
| cdent | yes, it's fine. that's one of the recent "let's fix something in all the repo mass bug fixes" | 16:48 |
| cdent | I think someone must have run some kind of audit against the code | 16:49 |
| cdent | _all_ the code | 16:49 |
| elmiko | yea, this change has been making the rounds | 16:49 |
| ryansb | yeah, it's handy that it's an autopatch though | 16:50 |
| ryansb | just so deprecated junk isn't kicking around forever | 16:50 |
| elmiko | yup | 16:50 |
| cdent | this one actually works. there have been some others that are wrong. | 16:50 |
| etoews | can someone more familiar with the change go ahead and merge it? | 16:50 |
| elmiko | sure | 16:51 |
| etoews | i just bumped https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161946/ | 16:51 |
| * cdent can only +1 | 16:51 | |
| elmiko | k, i'll +A | 16:51 |
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| elmiko | sigmavirus24 is at the ossp midcycle currently, but maybe he will take a look later | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | durwasa:What's up? | 16:52 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: your thoughts, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161946/ | 16:52 |
| etoews | bumped https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183599/ | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh I can probably rebase that | 16:52 |
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| etoews | cdent: you can only +1? wha??? | 16:52 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: sweet =) | 16:52 |
| elmiko | weird... | 16:53 |
| cdent | it's just you and elmiko and jaypipes at this point I think? | 16:53 |
| elmiko | you were supposed to be added too | 16:53 |
| jaypipes | yeah... | 16:53 |
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| cdent | hawt | 16:53 |
| cdent | ;) | 16:53 |
| jaypipes | in fact, I believe it's best to remove me and replace with cdent. | 16:53 |
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| * elmiko gasps | 16:53 | |
| elmiko | ;) | 16:53 |
| cdent | does this mean I need to shave my head? | 16:54 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:54 |
| jaypipes | elmiko: it's already tough to find time to perform my Nova duties :( | 16:54 |
| etoews | cdent: yes | 16:54 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes, of course it does. | 16:54 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: i hear ya, and no worries on this end =) | 16:54 |
| etoews | jaypipes: thank you for service good sir. | 16:54 |
| cdent | /o\ | 16:54 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:54 |
| jaypipes | etoews: cheers | 16:54 |
| etoews | i'll go ahead and make those changes right now if there are no objections. | 16:55 |
| cdent | Thanks, I'll try not to break everything. | 16:55 |
| elmiko | etoews: none here | 16:56 |
| * elmiko watches cdent closely... | 16:56 | |
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| elmiko | lol | 16:56 |
| elmiko | well played sir /me tips fedora | 16:56 |
| etoews | anything else in the last few min? | 16:57 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:57 |
| cdent | nor me | 16:57 |
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| ryansb | nope | 16:58 |
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| etoews | alright then. let's end it a little early. thanks all! | 16:58 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 16:58:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-14-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-14-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-01-14-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 16:58 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 17:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping kfox1111 kzaitsev_ws ativelkov toddjohn | 17:01 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:01 |
| toddjohn | toddjohn here | 17:01 |
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| spzala | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | kind-a o/ | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | Agenda can be found here: | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | #topic Updates | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | I made some good progress in the last week, and got proposal-bot to check for dead links and propose an updated assets.yaml | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/266218 | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | That lead to a good discussion and some re-thinking, as the proposed change includes a completely reformatted assets.yaml file | 17:04 |
| docaedo | I expected that, and figured after the first review, future changes would include minimal line changes, but there was some objection (noted in review), and the objection is pretty reasonable all things considered | 17:05 |
| docaedo | We can debate on the channel, and I need to get an email thread started on this particular topic to see if there are other viewpoints that might help get things moving in a good direction | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | I'm inclined to be a little bit loose with things (i.e. allow one big ugly change like this) for the sake of making the catalog a little more dynamic while we're still using human-edited yamls | 17:06 |
| docaedo | but anyway, that's a debate for later :) | 17:07 |
| docaedo | kfox1111 also has proposed a tool to find when a record was updated (link coming one sec) | 17:07 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/267087 | 17:08 |
| docaedo | it works and could be useful, but I feel like we're heading down the road of creating a relational database based on a few yamls, and some script-glue (and I'm pretty opposed that :) ) | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | Any other updates? | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | ok, moving on... | 17:11 |
| docaedo | #topic Adding Mistral workflow templates to the catalog | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding Mistral workflow templates to the catalog (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:11 | |
| docaedo | About a week ago I had a conversation with some folks working on Mistral workflows, and let them know we (app catalog people) are very interested in including their workflow templates in the catalog | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | we did a bunch of work last year to make the catalog schema more flexible so we could include additional asset types | 17:12 |
| docaedo | since then though, we haven't actually had any additional types to include (though tosca, mistral and others were expected/considered) | 17:12 |
| spzala | docaedo: I am here from TOSCA team to continue discuss on top of some discussion we had last year on hosting/translating TOSCA CSAR and templates | 17:13 |
| docaedo | So from the schema/assets.yaml side, all we would need to do is define the metadata a mistral asset will include | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | spzala: great, thanks for joining! | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | Who did you speak to in Mistral team? | 17:14 |
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| spzala | docaedo: np, thank you! | 17:14 |
| docaedo | ninag, toddjohn and .. someone else :) | 17:14 |
| toddjohn | We're working on a set of operator type workflows | 17:15 |
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| docaedo | I will get a blueprint topic started today on launchpad for this, and line up the work items I think we'll need (and those items of course will be debatable) | 17:16 |
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| toddjohn | Sounds good | 17:16 |
| docaedo | in short though I think it's "define metadata, add new type to schema, argue about how to reflect this in the web site, argue about how to reflect in app-catalog-ui, then implement web site and app-catalog-ui changes" | 17:17 |
| docaedo | I would say it's too early to argue how to show additional types on the web site, but that's going to be the biggest challenge | 17:17 |
| docaedo | the site itself is really built for three asset types, and starting to add additional types to the horizontal bar will get crowded quickly | 17:18 |
| toddjohn | I could be interested to know where we should put the workflows. I would like them under some kind of gerrit review process ( i think) | 17:18 |
| docaedo | toddjohn: I agree - is there any central place for mistral stuff right now? I couldn't find anything | 17:19 |
| rakhmerov | hi everyone | 17:19 |
| docaedo | rakhmerov: welcome! | 17:19 |
| toddjohn | I think the mistral team maintains a mistral-extras project | 17:19 |
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| toddjohn | but not sure we want to use that | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | toddjohn: I'm afraid, that app-catalog folks would not be able to tell you if this or that workflow is worthy of being put on a.o.o, though =) | 17:19 |
| rakhmerov | docaedo: the only central place (which is not really a good place) is mistral-extra repo | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So it probably should be more of mistral's folks decision, right? | 17:20 |
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| rakhmerov | in short: I fully support the idea of keeping Mistral workflows in apps catalog but my concerns are | 17:20 |
| docaedo | I agree the app-catalog cores would be the wrong ones to validate/review mistral workflows | 17:20 |
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| rakhmerov | * they should be kind of certified | 17:20 |
| docaedo | so app-catalog repo should not be the home/review-point for the workflows | 17:21 |
| rakhmerov | against a certain DSL version | 17:21 |
| toddjohn | right that's what i was thinking too, some kind of cerification | 17:21 |
| rakhmerov | * they should be probably as universal as possible | 17:21 |
| rakhmerov | because it may not make sense to have a bunch of very specific stuff there | 17:21 |
| rakhmerov | or alternatively we can come up with an idea how to categorize them well | 17:22 |
| rakhmerov | structure | 17:22 |
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| docaedo | I would argue the app catalog could host mistral workflows that are very specific, just like it hosts glance images or heat templates that are very specific (as long as the constraints are noted) | 17:22 |
| rakhmerov | the first question leads to another question: who's going to be responsible for this certification process | 17:22 |
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| toddjohn | my thought was we just use gerrit and use the standard core review process | 17:23 |
| rakhmerov | docaedo: maybe, I'm sort of thinking loudly | 17:23 |
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| docaedo | rakhmerov: yeah, that's something I think that needs to be handled by the mistral team and the openstack community - if mistral workflows will also be "certified" somehow, that's a big conversation. | 17:23 |
| rakhmerov | I just saw sets of workflows that some our users have :) Not sure if I'd like to see something similar at apps.openstack.org | 17:23 |
| rakhmerov | docaedo: yep, agree | 17:24 |
| docaedo | but that does not need to be solved before mistral workflows (that are usable by some people) could be included in the app catalog :) | 17:24 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 17:25 |
| toddjohn | The workflows we have in mind i don't think reallly need to be certified per se, it would be nice though if the community would review them. Mostly for best practices, etc | 17:26 |
| rakhmerov | may I ask a question: where does this idea initially come from? | 17:26 |
| rakhmerov | who would want it? | 17:26 |
| rakhmerov | and why | 17:26 |
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| rakhmerov | best practices - no problem | 17:27 |
| toddjohn | rakhmerov: We are working on a set of operator workflows (cleaning up after tenant delete) | 17:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 17:27 |
| toddjohn | The idea is make these easily available | 17:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok, fair enough | 17:28 |
| docaedo | rakhmerov: do you have reservations to adding "just any" mistral stuff to the catalog? | 17:29 |
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| rakhmerov | it would be actually cool, we also accumulated a number of useful (as we think) workflows that we could contribute into apps catalog | 17:29 |
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| rakhmerov | docaedo: what do you mean by "reservations"? | 17:29 |
| rakhmerov | sorry, not sure I understood you ) | 17:30 |
| docaedo | rakhmerov: wondering if you were concerned that there should be certification/gating or something is all - sounds like no though | 17:30 |
| docaedo | I'm excited about it, as I want to get more exposure for mistral | 17:30 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 17:31 |
| rakhmerov | so | 17:31 |
| docaedo | I think it's really useful, and if we could catalog a few useful workflows and show them off, makes it easier for people to start to see the value of adding mistral to their environment | 17:31 |
| rakhmerov | as far as certification yes, it's a matter of project reputation kind of | 17:31 |
| rakhmerov | if one goes to apps catalog, downloads a workflow and it doesn't work then they would probably not want to deal with Mistral any more | 17:32 |
| rakhmerov | just because of a buggy workflow | 17:32 |
| rakhmerov | this is my only concern | 17:32 |
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| rakhmerov | badly-written workflows would influence the whole project | 17:33 |
| docaedo | yeah that's a tricky one - in general the app catalog position is to accept whatever someone wants to submit - ie. we are not testing glance images or murano apps before inclusion | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rakhmerov: well, someone has to support it =) That's why there are supported-by and other stuff | 17:33 |
| rakhmerov | at least "some" certification should apply I guess | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So basically if something goes wrong with that asset — the person who has problems basically has someone to ping about it | 17:33 |
| toddjohn | Do you think that is something that would be beyond the review process? | 17:33 |
| rakhmerov | hm... ok | 17:33 |
| docaedo | I think kzaitsev_mb has it right - it's supported by someone in that case | 17:34 |
| rakhmerov | well, it's a valid point, agree | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Which actually leads me to the idea of adding irc-handle there as an optional argument | 17:34 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: +1 | 17:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 17:34 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I personally was really angry when I tried some of the apps from the catalog and they didn't work ) | 17:35 |
| docaedo | which apps? | 17:35 |
| rakhmerov | the first strong desire in my head was to blame Murano :) | 17:35 |
| rakhmerov | but that's a general topic I guess and not really relevant to discussion | 17:36 |
| docaedo | haha yeah | 17:36 |
| docaedo | but it touches on a really good point | 17:36 |
| docaedo | right now, as a consumer, you don't have any way to say "tried it, didn't work, ruined my day!" | 17:36 |
| rakhmerov | well, kubernetes apps didn't work well for me at that time | 17:36 |
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| rakhmerov | they may have been fixed though already | 17:36 |
| docaedo | We are planning to include ratings and feedback, but it's blocked until we implement the v2 api on glare | 17:36 |
| docaedo | well the murano team DID just update the kubernetes bits in the catalog! | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | true ) | 17:37 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, glare is very wanted in many ways ) | 17:37 |
| docaedo | (but I think kubernetes is still new enough to where it should probably be handled manually, but that's just the old operator in me talking) | 17:37 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 17:38 |
| rakhmerov | getting back to certification idea.. I guess we, Mistral team, would be interested in going to apps catalog once in a while and try out workflows | 17:39 |
| rakhmerov | I mean just to help ourself to keep good image of the project | 17:39 |
| docaedo | Then I think we're agreed on this topic for now? I need to do the blueprint, we can debate on #openstack-app-catalog, and in parallel maybe it's time to start up a conversation about certification of mistral bits (on ML and/or #openstack-mistral) | 17:39 |
| rakhmerov | so that if we find bad stuff we could come up with recommendations on how to improve them | 17:40 |
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| rakhmerov | sounds good to me | 17:40 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for bringing this up! | 17:40 |
| docaedo | rakhmerov I definitely agree it would be valuable to have a way to test/certify/improve the workflows | 17:40 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah | 17:41 |
| docaedo | I'll be part of the conversation if it gets started, but I don't know enough about mistral internals yet to have a strong opinion on a test harness or whatever | 17:41 |
| rakhmerov | docaedo: should you need some specific info feel free to reach out to us | 17:41 |
| docaedo | rakhmerov: absolutely, thanks - I'm on the IRC channel so will speak up there as things progress | 17:42 |
| rakhmerov | we'll provide necessary assistance | 17:42 |
| docaedo | (and on the mailing list of course) | 17:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok, deal | 17:42 |
| rakhmerov | sure ) | 17:42 |
| docaedo | the next topic on the agenda (glare outline) requires kfox1111, ativelkov and kzaitsev_mb .. I think we have 1.5 out of 3 today, so we can push to next week | 17:43 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:43 |
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| spzala | docaedo: any question related to TOSCA ? | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | some glare update: we've moved the weekly glance/artifacts meeting to 17:00 UTC on Mondays at #openstack-meeting-alt, so please feel free to join to discuss glare agenda | 17:44 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: thanks, it's on my calendar (I couldn't make it this week, but will next!) | 17:44 |
| docaedo | spzala: thanks, actually I did have one thing to say | 17:44 |
| spzala | docaedo: for the current heat templates on catalog - can they be deployed from catalog? (or they are just hosted) | 17:44 |
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| spzala | Sure | 17:45 |
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| docaedo | spzala: well regarding heat templates, the basic answer is "yes". The direct answer is that the catalog is just a pointer to where to find the template | 17:45 |
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| docaedo | so if you find a heat template in the catalog, the detail page tells you specifically where to get the template - and since heat lets you specify a URL for a template, you can just paste that URL in | 17:46 |
| spzala | docaedo: :-) | 17:46 |
| spzala | docaedo: OK, gotcha | 17:46 |
| docaedo | the app-catalog-ui goes one step further though, and will pull in the template along with environment vars specified in the template AFAIK | 17:46 |
| docaedo | But regarding TOSCA, I was going to say something about hosting the heat-translator | 17:46 |
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| spzala | docaedo: sure | 17:47 |
| docaedo | in looking into it further, I realized part of the translation process includes local resource introspection | 17:47 |
| docaedo | so the template that heat-translator generates is different from one environment to the next (as I understand it), which means we could not really host a page that says "convert this TOSCA template to a Heat template" | 17:47 |
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| docaedo | but I'm happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken | 17:48 |
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| spzala | docaedo: can you pl give example of local resource introspection? The heat-translator doesn't require a specific env but translated template which is 'heat template' | 17:49 |
| spzala | will require similar env as in general for any heat template | 17:49 |
| docaedo | ah then someone misled me - I thought part of the translation was to match up what resources are available (like glance images and flavors, networks, etc.) | 17:50 |
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| spzala | docaedo: well, it's mix so heat-translator if used outside OpenStack env then doesn't not use nova or glance and uses a pre-defined set of flavors and images | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | ok but I would argue a "generic" set of flavors and images would not be very useful, as almost every environment I have access to has different both | 17:53 |
| spzala | but if it finds a openstack env then it will try finding best match of flavors based on TOSCA constraints etc. | 17:53 |
| docaedo | so technically it's possible to create a generic translation, but how useful would that "generic" version be? | 17:53 |
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| spzala | docaedo: that's true.. though there are folks who may prefer to update image or flavor themselves later but I agree with you that not much useful as it doesn't give out of box deployment experience | 17:54 |
| spzala | docaedo: so for a start I think | 17:55 |
| spzala | Hosting CSAR (contains template, scripts, binaries etc) and hosting individual templates | 17:55 |
| spzala | would be great | 17:55 |
| docaedo | spzala: agreed! | 17:56 |
| spzala | docaedo: cool | 17:56 |
| docaedo | we are almost out of time, but we should continue this conversation - I'll add it to next weeks agenda, and potentially start a thread on the ML as well | 17:56 |
| spzala | sorry if it's a repeating question but one last question - | 17:56 |
| docaedo | no prob | 17:57 |
| spzala | does the uploading of template (e.g. current heat template) go through review process? | 17:57 |
| docaedo | btw spzala the work on helping define the attribute schema for the TOSCA parts will be on you | 17:57 |
| docaedo | well yes, getting anything added to the catalog goes through review | 17:57 |
| spzala | docaedo: ok, NICE | 17:57 |
| docaedo | but the review is just focused on the asset listing matching the schema, and having the right information | 17:57 |
| docaedo | it does not validate the heat template even works, or is not malicious | 17:58 |
| docaedo | (ie you could upload a glance image that includes your own bitcoin mining daemon) | 17:58 |
| spzala | docaedo: sure, let's discuss the work commitment from my team later as meeting is almost over | 17:58 |
| docaedo | you got it | 17:58 |
| spzala | OK, gotcha :-) | 17:58 |
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| docaedo | time to wrap up - thanks everyone for coming, and I'm looking forward to expanding the catalog with your help! | 17:58 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 17:59:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-01-14-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-01-14-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-01-14-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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