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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 14:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hey folks | 14:00 |
| elmiko | hi folks | 14:00 |
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| esikachev | hey! | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 14:00 |
| huichun | hi | 14:00 |
| tosky | hi | 14:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:00 |
| elmiko | #chair vgridnev | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko vgridnev | 14:00 |
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| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:01 |
| elmiko | i'll give folks a minute or two to roll in before we get started | 14:01 |
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| elmiko | ok then | 14:02 |
| elmiko | #topic sahara@sahara-dashboard | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@sahara-dashboard (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| elmiko | ;) | 14:03 |
| elmiko | i think croberts might be out | 14:03 |
| elmiko | anything to report here vgridnev ? | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | actually it's going, there are several changes was proposed, also integration tests job was merged to project config | 14:03 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:03 |
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| vgridnev | so we need to wait for some changes on horizon side | 14:04 |
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| elmiko | what changes are we waiting for? | 14:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | vgridnev: so horizon will be running our intergation tests in their gate? | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | to make pluggable integration tests, let me search for the link | 14:05 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: thanks | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov, no, will run our own tests | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253608/ | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok, at least we will no when our dashboard breaks after some horizon changes | 14:06 |
| tosky | or that the tests are broken by some horizon core change | 14:07 |
| tosky | but yeah, better than now | 14:07 |
| elmiko | should be nice | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | yep, it's probably bad, but we need to make our integrations tests working first | 14:07 |
| elmiko | anything else for this topic? | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | I think no, let's move on | 14:07 |
| elmiko | #topic News/Updates | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:07 | |
| elmiko | so, what's everyone been up to? | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | I'm working with improving ambari plugin right now | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm still in internal research and testing, so not much to share | 14:09 |
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| egafford | Image validation SPI spec is up; I have a working and tested sahara.plugins.images module. Doing cleanup before review @ this point. | 14:09 |
| tosky | a bit of reviews and small enhancement, nothing more for now | 14:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I hope I'll get some of the docs finished and finally published to upstream | 14:09 |
| elmiko | i'm working on migrating the cdh passwords into the external key manager, but i've hit a snag | 14:09 |
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| elmiko | also, going to start setting up a prototype for the apiv2 work | 14:09 |
| esikachev | working on spec, fixing bugs in scenario framework | 14:10 |
| elmiko | ok, moving along | 14:11 |
| elmiko | #topic Discuss sahara scenario tests extraction | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss sahara scenario tests extraction (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:11 | |
| tmckay | I'm going to add a spec and patch for a --ironic or --baremetal flag on sie | 14:11 |
| tmckay | doh, missed the updates :) | 14:12 |
| elmiko | oops, sorry tmckay | 14:12 |
| tmckay | I was typing | 14:12 |
| tmckay | heh | 14:12 |
| elmiko | np | 14:12 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250419/ | 14:12 |
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| elmiko | this spec is looking good, is there anything more to discuss on the topic? | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | spec is almost approved, but I think that we should wait for SergeyLukjanov to approve it | 14:13 |
| esikachev | +1 | 14:13 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with that | 14:13 |
| tosky | I have an implementation question, related to repository extraction, but I guess it can wait (for the record: if in such cases a mechanism like git grafting is used) | 14:14 |
| elmiko | you can ask now if you'd like tosky | 14:14 |
| tosky | (or it is just "initial import, dump of the revision xyz from this repository") | 14:14 |
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| tosky | I think right now it's mostly done with a dump of the last version from the previous repository (I could check with sahara dashboard for example), but still it would be nice to easily track the old history | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | tosky, you can create local repo, but this repo will be imported during moving to openstack namespace | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | so, it sounds like the question is are we going to keep the git history when migrating to the new repository? (is that accurate tosky ?) | 14:16 |
| tosky | elmiko: keep the history is one way (apply git filtering to the old repository and extract the history) | 14:16 |
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| egafford | I'm still concerned that this will make it harder to make plugins truly plugins (unless plugins require multiple repos to implement, and plug into a server framework and a test framework,) but I think we're deciding that that's okay for now (and we have a lot of harder work in the server to allow plugins to detach anyway, so it's probably fine.) | 14:17 |
| tosky | the other way is allow to access the history from the new repository, but without importing it; this is git grafting | 14:17 |
| elmiko | yea, i guess we can't keep the whole history, but only the scenario parts | 14:17 |
| tosky | for reference to git grafting: https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GraftPoint | 14:17 |
| elmiko | tosky: thanks! | 14:17 |
| elmiko | egafford: it's a good point | 14:17 |
| elmiko | egafford: i think we would need much more work on the plugin separation before we could contemplate scenario tests bundled with plugins | 14:18 |
| egafford | It is, but I can see the argument that we should do this now, and maybe we can wire the test repo for plugability later when we get closer to that long-term goal. | 14:18 |
| tosky | basically you don't have the old history, but the repository allow "joining" the old repository (if the user does some steps) and do a unified search | 14:18 |
| tmckay | tosky, +1 | 14:19 |
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| elmiko | egafford: imo, when we get closer to having true plugin separation, then we should revisit scenario test bundling as well | 14:19 |
| tmckay | as time goes on, the need to search the old repo lessens | 14:19 |
| elmiko | tosky: might be worth it, if we can setup the infra to do it | 14:19 |
| elmiko | true | 14:19 |
| elmiko | tosky: do you know if any other openstack projects have done this? | 14:20 |
| tosky | elmiko: I have to say I don't know the details, but you don't need special infrastructure, it's the way you create the new repository and you organize the old one before the removal/split | 14:20 |
| tmckay | I found myself wanting to search before the "savanna" rename a few times, but not many ... | 14:20 |
| tosky | and no, I don't think it was done before, but I may be wrong | 14:20 |
| elmiko | tosky: ah, interesting | 14:20 |
| tosky | that's why SergeyLukjanov could have helped with his infra knowledge :) | 14:20 |
| elmiko | tosky: would you mind making a comment about that on the review? | 14:20 |
| tosky | elmiko: sure | 14:21 |
| tosky | I will keep the +1 | 14:21 |
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| elmiko | #action tosky to comment on the scenario separation spec about git grafting the history | 14:21 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 14:21 |
| elmiko | any other questions/comments/concerns about the scenario test separation? | 14:22 |
| tmckay | it would have been handy in the rename move, I think :) | 14:22 |
| tmckay | the grafting, I mean | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | agreed | 14:22 |
| elmiko | ok, rolling along... | 14:23 |
| elmiko | #topic API v2 progress | 14:23 |
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| elmiko | not a ton to report here | 14:23 |
| elmiko | the spec could use more reviews | 14:23 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212172/ | 14:23 |
| elmiko | other than that, i am still working on setting up the wiki page for the individual work items to be generated | 14:24 |
| elmiko | and i am starting to create a local prototype for the /v2 endpoints | 14:24 |
| elmiko | any questions or comments about v2? | 14:24 |
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| tmckay | v2 is awesome | 14:25 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:25 |
| tmckay | the best api ever | 14:25 |
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| elmiko | best until v3! | 14:25 |
| elmiko | ;) | 14:25 |
| elmiko | ok then... | 14:25 |
| tmckay | whoa, v3 ... that's never been done before! | 14:26 |
| elmiko | haha | 14:26 |
| elmiko | #topic New CLI | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New CLI (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:26 | |
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| elmiko | was there anything else to discuss on this topic, or should we remove it from the agenda? | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | let's remove that | 14:27 |
| egafford | It's a pretty great new CLI! | 14:27 |
| AndreyPavlov | hmm I guess we have already discussed everything few weeks ago :) | 14:27 |
| elmiko | yea, i think so | 14:27 |
| elmiko | i'll remove it after the meeting | 14:27 |
| tosky | (elmiko: added a comment to the spec related to tests, which I missed before, my fault) | 14:27 |
| elmiko | #topic Open discussion | 14:27 |
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| elmiko | tosky: ack, thank you! | 14:27 |
| elmiko | any other business folks? | 14:27 |
| tosky | yes: | 14:28 |
| * elmiko hands the mic to tosky | 14:28 | |
| tosky | please vote on this review on tempest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255968/ (thanks vgridnev) | 14:28 |
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| tmckay | general comment, I should be more active upstream starting in January. I've been buried in a hole for a while ;-) | 14:28 |
| tmckay | so, you can count on me for patches, reviews, etc | 14:28 |
| tosky | the tests there could move to our repository at some point, but pending some dependencies; in the meantime we need that change to support the testing on different clusters | 14:28 |
| elmiko | tmckay: \o/ | 14:29 |
| elmiko | tosky: ack, added to the queue | 14:29 |
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| tosky | vgridnev already put you all in the review, but please take a look :) | 14:29 |
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| elmiko | for those of us who are unfamiliar with tempest, is there anything we should know about that review? | 14:30 |
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| vgridnev | nothing. just vote with +1 | 14:30 |
| tosky | :d | 14:30 |
| tosky | :D | 14:30 |
| elmiko | lol, easy enough... | 14:30 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255968/ | 14:31 |
| tosky | it simply add support for default templates for the various supported plugins, so that the API tests works in any case, regardless of the set of enabled plugins | 14:31 |
| tosky | no fancy code change, if you check the code, just some additional dictionaries | 14:31 |
| elmiko | ah, cool | 14:31 |
| elmiko | thanks tosky, and vgridnev | 14:31 |
| elmiko | any other topics to discuss? | 14:32 |
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| vgridnev | will we have next 2 meetings? | 14:32 |
| elmiko | i imagine not for next week | 14:32 |
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| tmckay | even the week after ... | 14:33 |
| elmiko | and it seems like many openstack projects are taking the following week off as well | 14:33 |
| tmckay | many of us will be PTO | 14:33 |
| elmiko | yea | 14:33 |
| tmckay | first week of January? | 14:33 |
| elmiko | i think so | 14:33 |
| tmckay | that would be the 7th | 14:33 |
| elmiko | yea | 14:33 |
| tosky | but then, for people in Russia, don't you have your holidays that time? | 14:33 |
| elmiko | so, next meeting will be January 7th 1800UTC | 14:33 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we have hollidays 1 - 10th of January | 14:34 |
| elmiko | good question tosky | 14:34 |
| tmckay | heh | 14:34 |
| tmckay | so adjourn til the 14th? | 14:34 |
| elmiko | i think so | 14:34 |
| tmckay | there is always IRC, and openstack-dev, after all | 14:34 |
| elmiko | ok, scratch that earlier memo | 14:34 |
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| elmiko | next meeting will be January 14th, 1400UTC | 14:34 |
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| elmiko | in openstack-meeting-3 | 14:35 |
| huichun | vgridnev schedule edp patch is too old https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182310/ My intergation test patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255173/ has rebase issue | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | what kind of rebase issues? | 14:35 |
| huichun | So can Intergation test patch do not rebase on that? | 14:35 |
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| huichun | Rebase error I am working on that issue | 14:36 |
| * tmckay brb | 14:36 | |
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| elmiko | any other topics? | 14:39 |
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| vgridnev | 5 | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | 4 | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | 3 | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | 2 | 14:40 |
| AndreyPavlov | NOOOO | 14:40 |
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| vgridnev | 1.5 | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | 1 | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 14:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 14:40:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-17-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-17-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| elmiko | AndreyPavlov: did you have something? | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-17-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
| elmiko | oops | 14:40 |
| elmiko | thanks all | 14:40 |
| NikitaKonovalov | bb | 14:40 |
| AndreyPavlov | elmiko: actually no :) | 14:41 |
| elmiko | hehe | 14:41 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
| xiaohhui | hello | 14:59 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 15:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| ChuckC | o/ | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | The release schedule page has moved | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | We're somewhere around the middle of Mitaka-2 | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Considering that many will be taking vacation around Christmas and New Years, it is coming up quickly. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else to announce? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ping | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | we have the same 2 high importance bugs as last week plus one | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | first one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Cedirc pushed next PS to proposed solution and is awaiting reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | any other comments on this one? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll review that one if I can figure out how to read the new gerrit patch review page. | 15:05 |
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| * carl_baldwin thinks someone hit it with an ugly stick | 15:06 | |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: yeah, I got confused last night as well :-) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516260 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516260 in neutron "L3 agent sync_routers timeouts may cause cluster to fall down" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | amuller has a fix proposed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245432/ that has been -1 recently so it needs next revision | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | and obondarev has another solution proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/. This one is awaiting review | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I would like clarification about the relationship between the two proposed fixes. I'll add a comment to the bug report. | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | there's been some discussion between amuller and obondarev in the Gerrit. Please see the comments.... | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Finally, we have a new one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1524916 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524916 in neutron "neutron-ns-metadata-proxy uses ~25MB/router in production" [High,New] | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | I went through the comments last night and it wasn't clear to me whether we really think this is an issue or not | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | I pinged ajo earlier today, but hasn't responded. I'll follow up with him | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | any comments or insights? | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | if not, I want to mention that I am going through the list of bugs, purging and updating | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | there is a number of old reports without activity for a long time that I am marking incomplete | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Do you recall looking at memory usage of the metadata proxy in HP public cloud? I have a vague recollection. | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | carl_baldwin: i think so, since we're spinning-up so many. i think kuba (red hat) or ajo did too | 15:13 |
| haleyb | i didn't see any easy solution since part of it was the modules it imported | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | It never seemed to be a High importance problem for us. We had other problems with 100s of routers on the network node before that. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm considering bumping it down in priority. Maybe I'll suggest that on the bug report and see what the reaction is. | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: that is all I have as far as bugs | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks for your work on scrubbing the old bugs. | 15:16 |
| * carl_baldwin is the Neutron bug deputy this week. Thinking of trying to do the same with the overall Neutron bugs. | 15:17 | |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Great work! | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Routed Network Segments | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Network Segments (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:18 | |
| carl_baldwin | The demand for this continues to grow. I think this is going to be a very important project for Neutron. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | However, consensus still seems distant. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm currently discussing with armax and kevinbenton (approver for this blueprint) to explore options and reach consensus before releasing the next version of the spec in to the wild. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | If that goes well, it could be a huge step toward getting consensus. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, we're going to need developers to work on this once it is achieved. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all. | 15:20 |
| * mlavalle want to pitch in | 15:21 | |
| mlavalle | wants^^^ | 15:21 |
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| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: I m in | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: It will be great to have your help. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: :) | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram_: ping | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I think tidwellr is out for the rest of the year on vacation. | 15:23 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | he must be enjoying the baby | 15:24 |
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| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: I am working for the DVR stuff now | 15:24 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: Need some review help for Agent, Scheduler and Driver patch | 15:24 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: These patches are almost done.. One round of review would be helpful | 15:25 |
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| juno_zhu | vikram_: i can review your patch | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: From the neutron meeting on Tuesday, it sounds like the merges conflicts are scaring people away. | 15:25 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: Will resolve it | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Could you link the specific patches you want reviewed here? | 15:26 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: and make it clean .. | 15:26 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: 1 sec | 15:26 |
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| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207607/ | 15:27 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207625/ | 15:28 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207635/ | 15:28 |
| vikram_ | that's all | 15:28 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: thanks;) | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Thank you. I will answer your call to review this week. | 15:29 |
| vikram_ | carl_baldwin: Thanks ;) | 15:29 |
| * carl_baldwin really hopes he can figure out that new review page on gerrit. ;) | 15:29 | |
| juno_zhu | vikram_: why not create a new review patch including all the code changes and then review the new patch | 15:30 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: change is huge | 15:30 |
| juno_zhu | vikram_: you mentioned in last meeting that bgp dynamic routing would be moved from service plugin to ml2 | 15:31 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: so the code is broken in pieces for effective review | 15:31 |
| juno_zhu | vikram_: you have not updated the code about this change | 15:31 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: it already moved | 15:31 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: it's ml2 now | 15:31 |
| juno_zhu | vikram_: which patch? | 15:32 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: the patches I requested for review is related to agent, scheduler and driver | 15:32 |
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| vikram_ | juno_zhu: CRUD patch needs Ryan attention ;) | 15:32 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: provided the link above.. | 15:33 |
| juno_zhu | vikram_: thanks | 15:33 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/ | 15:33 |
| vikram_ | juno_zhu: CRUD patch | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic dns-resolution | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | I got https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ reviewed late last week. armax proposed improving it decoupling functionality from ml2 | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: This one was fun this week. :) | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | yeah it is | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | so I am re-coding along the ml2 extension manager line that he suggested | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | I am almost done. I should be done today and will start testing it again today. I expect to have it ready for review again at trhe end of this week | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | the imporvements are what carl_baldwin and I discussed on Monday | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Great, ping me when ready and I'll review. | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have this week. Thanks to carl_baldwin and armax for the help | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Still, good progress here. It is cool to see the functionality coming together. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Address Scopes | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | yeah it's completely funtional and bug free. The discussion now is on implementation improvement | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | This topic has seen some good progress this week. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | The next review that needs to merge is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189500/ | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I need to decide if the RPC version should really be bumped for this. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Part of me wants to not bump it because either server or agent side will still work if the other side gets upgraded. It almost feels like bumping the version number of RPC will cause more disruption. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Any thoughts here? | 15:40 |
| * haleyb wakes up | 15:40 | |
| haleyb | i am thinking gary is right | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Other than that, there is a neutron client patch that should be merging now (has +A) but is not. I'll check in to that. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | And, I need to get the L3 agent patches in to a devstack to pull them back together. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks to xiaohhui for a lot of help here. | 15:43 |
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| xiaohhui | np:) carl | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Could you note your position on the review? | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | That is all I have for address scopes. I hope to get these patches in to devstack early next week and get them in to shape. | 15:46 |
| haleyb | will do | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other topics that we should tackle? | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | does any one know if the registration for talks at Austin summit has opened? | 15:47 |
| haleyb | i hope not :) | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm pretty sure it hasn't opened. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, here's 10 minutes back. Don't spend it all in one place. :) | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 15:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 15:50:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-12-17-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-12-17-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-12-17-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | have a nice day guys! | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: you too! | 15:52 |
| yamamoto | bye | 15:53 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 16:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| etoews | good day | 16:00 |
| gouthamr_ | hello! | 16:00 |
| cdent | hellos | 16:00 |
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| annegentle | hi | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:01 | |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
| ryansb | hey folks | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-03-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| elmiko | i think i covered 2/3 of mine | 16:02 |
| elmiko | i'm working on a patch to propose for the developer site | 16:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 16:02 |
| etoews | and i saw rosmaita created the patch for the version discovery guideline | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | yea, we've got i think 4 services in the current design for versions | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i'd like to get a few more in there for reference, but it's a start | 16:03 |
| etoews | link? | 16:03 |
| elmiko | and i think we need to have something about microversions in that guideline | 16:03 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 16:04 |
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| etoews | nice | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | it's a start | 16:06 |
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| * gouthamr_ makes a note to Add Manila's versions api response to that wiki | 16:06 | |
| elmiko | ooh, thanks gouthamr_ ! | 16:06 |
| etoews | thanks gouthamr_ | 16:06 |
| gouthamr_ | :) | 16:07 |
| etoews | anyone else want to volunteer adding the version api response to that page? | 16:07 |
| etoews | (for the project they usually work on) | 16:07 |
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| cdent | I'll add for ceilo, gnocchi, aodh | 16:09 |
| cdent | (even though I'm not quite usually working on them anymore) | 16:09 |
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| etoews | #action cdent to add version api response for ceilo, gnocchi, aodh to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 16:10 |
| cdent | thanks | 16:10 |
| etoews | thanks cdent ! | 16:10 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent =) | 16:10 |
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| etoews | ryansb: are you still working on heat mostly? (nudge nudge) | 16:10 |
| ryansb | etoews: zaqar as well | 16:10 |
| etoews | care to add to that page? | 16:11 |
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| ryansb | most of my upstream is zaqar atm, but I expect heat to broaden its share in the future | 16:11 |
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| ryansb | yeah sure | 16:11 |
| ryansb | I'm not sure what heat does, I know zaqar presents a pretty good version schema | 16:12 |
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| etoews | #action ryansb to add version api response for heat, zaqar to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses | 16:12 |
| etoews | thanks | 16:12 |
| elmiko | yay, thanks ryansb ! | 16:12 |
| * ryansb adds to todo list | 16:13 | |
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| ryansb | I'm going to be out Dec 21-Jan 1, btw, but I'll try and get it done before holiday | 16:13 |
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| etoews | any topics anyone would like to discuss in particular? | 16:13 |
| elmiko | i have a quick one | 16:14 |
| etoews | shoot | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | cool, so the OpenStack Security Project (OSSP) is doing outreach to all the project teams | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | and i wanted to bring it up with this group | 16:15 |
| etoews | #topic ossp | 16:15 |
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| elmiko | the main security stuff is at https://security.openstack.org/ | 16:15 |
| elmiko | there are some cool api fuzzing efforts that have been going on recently | 16:15 |
| elmiko | which may be a some interest to this gourp | 16:15 |
| annegentle | what's api fuzzing? | 16:16 |
| * annegentle honestly hasn't heard of it | 16:16 | |
| elmiko | api fuzzing is an operation whereby an application will send bad, bogus, or random string to a server's endpoints | 16:16 |
| elmiko | this is in an attempt to find vulnerabilities or errors in the server | 16:16 |
| annegentle | ah, okay | 16:17 |
| elmiko | there have been a few examples already of fuzzing finding bugs in neutron, for example | 16:17 |
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| etoews | annegentle: akin to system call fuzzing like http://codemonkey.org.uk/projects/trinity/ | 16:17 |
| elmiko | so, the OSSP has a project called Syntribos which is a fuzzer | 16:17 |
| cdent | how is that pronounced? I have to kind of read through it without hearing it... | 16:18 |
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| elmiko | i think, sin tri bos | 16:18 |
| elmiko | long o on bos | 16:18 |
| annegentle | try or tree? | 16:19 |
| elmiko | tree | 16:19 |
| elmiko | sin-tree-bose | 16:19 |
| ryansb | don't worry - 99% of the time you'll only need to say it on the ML ;) | 16:19 |
| elmiko | true | 16:19 |
| cdent | :) | 16:20 |
| elmiko | anyway, i just wanted to help raise awareness about the project and if we might have cross-over into security stuff, they are a resource we can go to. | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://security.openstack.org/ | 16:21 |
| etoews | elmiko: do you have a link to the project? | 16:21 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security | 16:21 |
| elmiko | sure, 1 sec | 16:21 |
| etoews | the api fuzzer in particular | 16:21 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/openstack/syntribos | 16:21 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/redhat-cip/restfuzz | 16:21 |
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| elmiko | that is another fuzzer which has been discussed as well | 16:22 |
| * etoews plans to read through https://security.openstack.org/#secure-development-guidelines | 16:22 | |
| annegentle | nice | 16:23 |
| cdent | tristan noodled briefly about trying to use gabbi for restfuzz but I think he eventually decided it wasn't really going to work | 16:23 |
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| cdent | but we talked about revisiting that at some point, as there are plenty of ways to make gabbi do things other than static yaml | 16:23 |
| elmiko | yea, i had brought up gabbi in the early days of the OSSP talking about fuzzing | 16:23 |
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| cdent | Did I ever link the hypothesis + gabbi blog posting here? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | in the end, the fuzz tests need more dynamism than gabbi had at the time | 16:24 |
| elmiko | cdent: i don't think so | 16:24 |
| cdent | http://wildfish.com/blog/2015/10/01/using-gabbi-and-hypothesis-test-django-apis/ | 16:24 |
| elmiko | neat, thanks! | 16:25 |
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| cdent | hypothesis is something we should be using all over openstack | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | i'm not familiar with it | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | sounds cool from the blog post | 16:27 |
| etoews | thanks for highlighting that elmiko | 16:27 |
| elmiko | np, thanks =) | 16:27 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines dashboard | 16:28 |
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| etoews | #link http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/dashboard_api-wg.html | 16:28 |
| elmiko | would be cool if those dashboards had a direct link to just run them | 16:28 |
| etoews | yes it would | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208264/ | 16:29 |
| elmiko | will that one ever get merged? | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | i guess it all flows up to this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ | 16:30 |
| * cdent nods | 16:31 | |
| etoews | how's the Service Catalog standardization effort going annegentle ? | 16:31 |
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| annegentle | etoews: getting there | 16:33 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Service_Catalog#Project_IDs | 16:33 |
| annegentle | latest effort ^^ | 16:33 |
| annegentle | figuring out which projects have project_id or tenant_id in the catalog endpoint entry | 16:34 |
| annegentle | and, updated the spec itself this week | 16:34 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ | 16:34 |
| annegentle | that's all I have this week | 16:35 |
| etoews | wow. that's a lot of work. | 16:35 |
| annegentle | etoews: heh no joke | 16:35 |
| elmiko | annegentle: quick question, how did you get all the private cloud catalog data? | 16:35 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: emailed people and they sent them to me | 16:36 |
| annegentle | elmiko: I have a bunch of contacts hahaha | 16:36 |
| elmiko | neat, very nice on the current design page too | 16:36 |
| etoews | annegentle: bonne chance | 16:36 |
| annegentle | thanks, getting there | 16:36 |
| etoews | is there anything we can do to help the microversion guidelines along? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i *think* it's still waiting for an update | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | hmm, looks like it just needs more reviews now | 16:38 |
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| cdent | it's in my queue (with lots of other stuff :( ) | 16:40 |
| etoews | i hear ya | 16:40 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:40 |
| etoews | should i add all of the CPLs to the microversion guidelines? | 16:41 |
| etoews | get more eyes on them... | 16:42 |
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| annegentle | might work | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i dunno, might be best to at least get a pass by the wg for consistency then send it up | 16:42 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul is moving in very slow motion since roughly 13:30 UTC; the Infra team is investigating. | 16:42 | |
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| elmiko | although, it is on set 4... | 16:43 |
| annegentle | this time of year, who knows | 16:44 |
| elmiko | good point | 16:44 |
| cdent | Next two weeks not a lot gonna happen... | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | etoews: looking at it again, i have no objection to adding the CPLs | 16:46 |
| etoews | it would nice to unstick this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196918/ | 16:47 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:47 |
| elmiko | i think it's all bundled up with the service catalog stuff though | 16:47 |
| cdent | yes | 16:47 |
| etoews | we need to find a way forward without depending so much on service catalog standardization | 16:48 |
| etoews | that's just going to take a really long time | 16:48 |
| cdent | the conceptual stuff should resolve relatively soon | 16:49 |
| etoews | sigh | 16:49 |
| elmiko | etoews: agreed, but we got bogged down in the whole service name vs project name stuff | 16:50 |
| etoews | project names are silly. period. | 16:50 |
| etoews | :) | 16:50 |
| elmiko | qotd, imo ;) | 16:50 |
| etoews | is there any point in adding CPLs to anything right now? seems extremely unlikely anything is really going to happen over the next 2 week. | 16:51 |
| elmiko | probably not | 16:51 |
| etoews | how about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743/ ? | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | probably good for freeze material | 16:52 |
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| etoews | it went through some substantial discussion since the last freeze so should be frozen again. | 16:53 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:53 |
| etoews | but again we hit the timing of it | 16:53 |
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| elmiko | should we just push on all freezes until after break? | 16:53 |
| etoews | freeze tomorrow and merge on christmas day! :D | 16:53 |
| elmiko | (also, should we cancel the next 2 meetings?) | 16:53 |
| elmiko | haha, nice | 16:54 |
| etoews | yes to cancelling meetings | 16:54 |
| cdent | yes cancel | 16:54 |
| cdent | Before we end the meeting I've got an open topic to raise, please let me know when we've reached that point. | 16:54 |
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| etoews | okay. let's push off freezes and review pestering until the new year. | 16:54 |
| etoews | shoot cdent | 16:54 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:54 |
| cdent | I think we've covered this ground before but it's just come back up again in telemetry: what do with url elements that contain '/'? | 16:55 |
| cdent | Web servers will often not preserve %2F | 16:55 |
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| etoews | ummmm...not have '/' as url elements? | 16:56 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure on the proper handling for that | 16:56 |
| etoews | that just seems like you're asking for trouble | 16:56 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:56 |
| etoews | all up and down the stack | 16:56 |
| cdent | in this case it is ids being used elsewhere in openstack | 16:56 |
| cdent | and yeah, everyone knows it is borked | 16:57 |
| cdent | but they're still out there | 16:57 |
| etoews | that's epically bad | 16:57 |
| cdent | what I'm wondering is: are there existing solutions for the web server problem with dealing with %2F? | 16:57 |
| elmiko | is it feasable to migrate away from those urls? | 16:57 |
| cdent | In the past I've done this: https://github.com/tiddlyweb/tiddlyweb/blob/master/tiddlyweb/web/serve.py#L95 | 16:58 |
| cdent | It is probably possible to migrate, but it will be slow, deprecation, laziness etc | 16:58 |
| * elmiko nods | 16:58 | |
| elmiko | i'm kinda at a loss on this one, i don't know any solutions off the top of my head | 16:59 |
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| etoews | no ideas come to my mind. that's uncharted territory for me. i think i'm in shock a bit. | 16:59 |
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| etoews | elmiko++ | 16:59 |
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| etoews | thanks to everyone for a great year!!! | 17:00 |
| cdent | To me it a fundamental flaw in web servers, with the precent set by apache a very long time ago. | 17:00 |
| elmiko | maybe something to research for next time | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 17:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| elmiko | you too etoews ! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-17-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-17-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-12-17-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 17:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Todays agenda can be found here: | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_17th.2C_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
| olaph | o/ | 17:01 |
| docaedo | hey look at that, it's enough for a meeting :D | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | I've been working on dead link checker (and some related stuff) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | I'd like feedback on the "skip assets with active: false" review, I think it's good to go: | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257663/ | 17:02 |
| docaedo | This will be used with the dead link checker (to be discussed later in this meeting) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | But happy to discuss the method (thanks kfox1111 for pointing out it should be handled in python rather than JS!) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | I want to start using this because the dead-link checker is ready (details later), and we could have stale links being automatically discovered in a week. | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | any other status updates? ativelkov maybe there's something new re: glare? | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | Yeah, there are some updates on glare | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | So, the summit's decision on separating the process for Glance and Glare is getting implemented | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | The spec has been approved and the actual patches are ready and on review right now | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | This will allow to run glare without a burden of having the rest of Glance deployed, which should be nice for app-catalog | 17:05 |
| docaedo | nice! I've been following, would join the weekly meeting but it happens at a time I can't make :( | 17:05 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: absolutely, I'm excited about it! | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | Also, we are working towards API stabilization (addressing API-WG and DefCore concerns ets). The spec is on review | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | Also, I've got a design for the pluggable DB backends (The feature we discussed with kfox1111 on the summit). I'll submit the spec in a day or two | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | And last but not least: we are planning a video call in the nearest days to discuss glare roadmap in voice | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | All are welcome to join | 17:07 |
| docaedo | please share the details on the ML and maybe on #openstack-app-catalog because I'd like to join and others might as well | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | We just need to sync with flaper87 and nikhil to find out the timeslot convienient for all | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | Yeah, sure. | 17:08 |
| docaedo | thx | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | The problem is that the holiday season is approaching and it may be hard to find a slot equally convinient for all. But we'll do our best | 17:08 |
| docaedo | yeah, we are rapidly running out of time to get things done in 2015 :) | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | some links: | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254710/ - the api refactoring spec | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/move-v3-to-glare - patches to move the glare api to separate process / keystone endpoint | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | Feel free to review and leave comments if you have time :) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: thanks, I will | 17:11 |
| docaedo | I'll hold for one minute to see if there are any other status updates before moving on... | 17:12 |
| docaedo | #topic Dead link check script | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | This script goes through the assets.yaml file, grabs the URLs and does a header request (with redirect follow). | 17:13 |
| docaedo | If it doesn't get a 200 response, it adds "active: false" to the attributes section. | 17:13 |
| docaedo | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/482152 | 17:13 |
| docaedo | This is the output from the script, which found two dead links! | 17:14 |
| docaedo | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/482151 | 17:14 |
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| docaedo | You'll note one difference from the active assets.yaml we have - the "---" at the top is gone, as that's no longer necessary due to there being only "assets" in the yaml, and no other record types. | 17:14 |
| docaedo | It is adapted from the project normalizer script infra uses. It's coupled with a shell script that clones the repo, and if the check_catalog.py script found any dead links, it submits a review to update assets.yaml. | 17:14 |
| docaedo | I'll propose this in app-catalog/tools and will coordinate with infra to sort out what user actually submits the PR (probably catalog-bot). With any luck we could have automated dead-url checks live in less than a week! | 17:14 |
| olaph | sweet | 17:14 |
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| docaedo | I want to use this same script to add a mechanism for keeping a frequently changing asset up to date. The use case would be something like the Debian weekly testing image | 17:14 |
| docaedo | #link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/testing/ | 17:15 |
| docaedo | The asset entry would include something like "desired-hash-url: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/testing/MD5SUMS", and the script could see if the current hash entry in assets.yaml matches. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | If it's different, it updates the entry with the hash and an "updated: <date>" entry in attributes section. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | The tricky part will be making this abstract enough to work for more than just debian weekly. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | What do you think? | 17:15 |
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| olaph | makes sense to me... | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | Well, this allows to ensure that the image is not modified on its way, yes | 17:16 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: well yes, but more than that, will allow us to put some frequently changing things in the catalog without having to manually update them all the time | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | Yes, I understand that. But I believe we should provide some notice to the users | 17:17 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: when we have glare for the backend, this will probably change, because it will become reasonable for someone to just use the API to authenticate and update a record they own | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | Something like "The asset has been changed by its owner since the last time we've checked that" | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | oh I was actually thinking the entry in the catalog would just get updated to include the new/latest hash when it changes, along with an entry for updated date | 17:18 |
| docaedo | that way any time someone comes back to find the latest debian (or coreos, or any of the others that frequently change images) | 17:19 |
| docaedo | they see what the latest is, along with a verifiable hash, and the date the record was updated | 17:19 |
| docaedo | vs. right now for instance, we just point to the qcow entry and don't list the hash | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | Ah yeah, so we need two timestamps then | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | Or may be even three | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | date when the entry is added to catalog, the date of the last update and the date of the last (manual) verification of the asset | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | so the clients may choose not to download unverified assets | 17:21 |
| docaedo | I would agree with added and updated, but not last verified (because the intention is that this will be automatically verified every day, triggering a review if anything changes - would not be useful to update every record with that date every day) | 17:21 |
| docaedo | Keep in mind too - this is a stop-gap thing until we implement glare backend, when many of these mechanisms will change | 17:22 |
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| ativelkov | yeah, you are right, I think | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | And manual verification does not scale for sure | 17:22 |
| docaedo | My intention with this is to take the least-effort path to keeping assets "fresh" until we have a legitimate backend in place :) | 17:22 |
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| docaedo | I am done with dead-link checker except for coordination with infra, and can probably sort out the "hash checking" stuff before end of year | 17:23 |
| docaedo | then next up probably work on some UI refreshes I have in mind while coordinating with you and others on glare implementation | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | cool | 17:24 |
| docaedo | As for manual in my short-term plan, the only manual step will be reviewing what the bot submits when it finds a change. That's low effort for me or others, but also provides a nice safety valve in case the bot goes crazy we can just ignore what it submits | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | yeah, that sounds the right thing to have | 17:25 |
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| docaedo | sweet, agreement all around :) | 17:25 |
| docaedo | as for the meeting agenda, I left "discuss glare outline" up, but I'm good with the draft and had it there in case kfox1111 and kzaitsev_ws were here (they might have had some points of debate) | 17:26 |
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| docaedo | So since they're not here, unless olaph or ativelkov want to chat about it? | 17:27 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-cat-glare | 17:27 |
| olaph | I'm good | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | I did review kzaitsev_ws's etherpad, it was quite aligned with what we are doing in glare | 17:28 |
| docaedo | yep, I like the plan there too | 17:28 |
| docaedo | once again - agreement all around :) | 17:28 |
| docaedo | so moving on... | 17:29 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:29 | |
| docaedo | Anyone have any open discussion points to openly discuss? | 17:29 |
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| kfox1111 | hi | 17:30 |
| docaedo | oh hey! | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | I added a few things to the etherpad, but still need to find a few minutes to finish reading. theres quite a bit in there. | 17:31 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: are you implying Community App Catalog is not your only full-time job? What, are you trying to run a huge cloud or something too??? ;) | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | ;) | 17:32 |
| docaedo | Considering the scale of the effort, I'd say we leave it on the agenda and continue to discuss in January | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 17:33 |
| docaedo | (and of course, on #openstack-app-catalog between now and then) | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | Agree. | 17:34 |
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| docaedo | ok - anything else for open discussion? kfox1111, anything you wanted to touch on that we talked about earlier? Much scrollback for you I think... | 17:35 |
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| kfox1111 | things look good to me. | 17:38 |
| docaedo | sounds like we're done for today then... | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, keeping the sums up to date is seperate from prompting users there is updated stuff. | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | hopefully versioning plays in somehow there too. | 17:39 |
| docaedo | in the short term, I don't see any reasonable way to do versions in a manually-updated assets.yaml file, but will HAVE to have versions with glare | 17:40 |
| docaedo | I should say .. versions could be done | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | I'm curious if we can do some kind of web scraper plugin thingy for a few different things. | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | like, ubuntu's cloud images page. | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | they update them constantly, and have a lot available. being able to run a cron job that generates bits of assets.yaml with all the versions would be very nice. | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | I think fedora does something similar. | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | something to think about. | 17:42 |
| docaedo | definitely worth thinking about | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | (another thing unioning the yaml could help with) | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | gtg. talk to you later. | 17:43 |
| docaedo | ok thanks for dropping by :) | 17:43 |
| docaedo | I think we're done - thanks everyone for joining! | 17:43 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 17:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 17:44:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-17-17.00.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-17-17.00.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-12-17-17.00.log.html | 17:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like previous meeting is still in this channel | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i see the meeting topic as horizon, do you guys see that as well? | 18:02 |
| songole | Yes SumitNaiksatam | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:02 |
| * david-lyle wonders if his #endmeeting didn't register | 18:02 | |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | david-lyle: hi | 18:03 |
| david-lyle | I think the bot may just be acting up | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | david-lyle: ah ok | 18:03 |
| david-lyle | There was a meeting that ended 15 minutes ago, I see in the backlog | 18:03 |
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| david-lyle | horizon meeting was yesterday | 18:04 |
| songole | hi | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | david-lyle: oh :-) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: tbachman: hi | 18:05 |
| david-lyle | I would just start a new meeting | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: hi | 18:05 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:05 |
| vks_ | hi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just trying to get the bot to change status for this meeting, so that our meeting can get logged | 18:05 |
| david-lyle | several meetings since horizon, all logged, I'd ignore status and roll | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | david-lyle: okay | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 18:07:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | david-lyle: worked :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Dec_17th_2015 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic bugs | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:08 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | is magesh around? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wanted to check if any new high priority bugs beyond the ones we discussed last week and are pending | 18:09 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I don't see him online | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: anything you saw recently that needs immediate attention? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | specifically asking vks_ and magesh since they are doing a lot of testing | 18:10 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, there is a limit of 4096 byte for ServicechainNode data | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | hi - sorry I’m late | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: did you get any more feedback on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1521545 ? | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521545 in Group Based Policy "If service chain delete fails then the PTG can never be cleaned up" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: just in time :-) | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: nope, was waiting for the logs | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, will try to ping magesh | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: do you know if there is any more info available on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1521545 ? | 18:11 |
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| vks_ | it can be easily simulated | 18:12 |
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| vks_ | just restart neutron server in middle of delete | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: okay, can you add some info to the bug in that case? | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: and perhaps it might also help to give ivar-lazzaro quick access to your system when you are able to reproduce this | 18:13 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, yeah but see the relevant log is there already, apart from that don't see any oyher logs | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: we need to check little bit prior to that particular log | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: we also discussed #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1523733 offline | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523733 in Group Based Policy "GBP PT delete allows to delete PT , even though the PT is bound to VM" [Undecided,New] | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: i was not able to reproduce the PT getting deleted when the port is deleted, so i need to check that on your setup | 18:14 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, ok | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other burning issues? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets move to the desing related discussions | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service chain node config attr size | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Service chain node config attr size (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: you brought this up | 18:15 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, yeah | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so currently we model the congfig column is the DB as a string of length 4096 | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: however you are running into configs much larger than that | 18:16 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, yes | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the question is how large do we go, or do we need to look at it in a different way | 18:17 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, Essentially in case of firewall especially , where than can be n number of rules | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: right | 18:17 |
| vks_ | we will have problem | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and n is difficult to predict how large it can be | 18:17 |
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| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, thats true | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro songole: any thoughts on this? | 18:18 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: what is the proposed solution? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: currently there is only a requirement that the size needs to be increased | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however no clear proposal | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can increase to the max limit | 18:19 |
| rkukura | Is this config attr really meant to be used in place of a proper REST service API? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but that might not be enough | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: because this is service-specific config which GBP does not care about | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: this looks like something that would require a separate config repository | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: something like that would be ideal where we just provide a reference | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that can't be the GBP Controller itself, since we also need to distribute that config around for high availability | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: rather than the entire config itself | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: which means that we should use something like Swift | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: to store these configurations | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we can be agnostic to where its stored, just enough information in the config attribute to be able to look it up | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I believe you would just use S3 if you were in amazon | 18:22 |
| rkukura | I think sqlalchemy has a Text type that is unbounded | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: right, I was thinking about the reference implementation though :) | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah that can contract can be between the user and the driver which knows where to pull it from | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: do we really want to use the database for this kind of things? You can't even really write a proper query in that field | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Maybe the config attr isn’t that useful to query | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i dont think we perform any DB queries on that particular column | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | No it isn't, that's just a blob | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that's why I believe it should be stored in the proper service | 18:24 |
| ivar-lazzaro | it's not useful from a relational point of view | 18:25 |
| ivar-lazzaro | For example | 18:25 |
| ivar-lazzaro | if you query the DB and retrieve 20 MB worth of config files (just saying)( | 18:25 |
| ivar-lazzaro | you keep the lock for too long potentially | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: that is correct | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so how about we do this - | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we explore changing this column to a text field with the recommendation that you actually dont store the config itself in that field | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | after that if someone wants to shoot themselves in the foot then its their call | 18:26 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: someone who? The Node Driver? | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Or the user? | 18:27 |
| songole | what is text field? You can store anything of any size? | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we shouldn't give the user too much ability to shoot himself in the foot :) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the user is going to be go by the recommendation of a particular node driver in this case | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so its the node-driver that i am referring to | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | If we want to go this route | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: the “text” field is as referenced by rkukura | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I believe we should have a text field, and a reference implementation that uses it properly (without recomandations) | 18:28 |
| rkukura | http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/core/type_basics.html#sqlalchemy.types.Text | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | then if a vendor implementation wants people to store config there, so be it | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but the reference should always enforce the best practice | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i dont think we have a “reference” implementation | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we have had this discussion before on the reviews as well | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: then we should just enforce the best practice :D | 18:30 |
| rkukura | This is probably a dumb question that I should know the answer to, but what would need to happen to allow use of the neutron *aaS REST APIs rather than this config attr? | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: I guess that would go through a heat template | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we dont assume that its always a *aas service | 18:31 |
| rkukura | I understand we don’t assume that, but if it is, or is something close enough, is an API useful in the context for GBP service chaining? | 18:32 |
| rkukura | Or is the fact that the API’s are per-instance the reason a heat template is more appropriate? | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: how will the API look like? The idea of the config file is to guarantee vendor differentiation | 18:33 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: which can't happen if we normalize the operations | 18:33 |
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| vks_ | ivar is right | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we would need to make the service chain layer service aware, which we dont want to | 18:33 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: in theory, the specific node driver should be able to read the configuration in a service specific manner | 18:34 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, but there shud be a generic way to pass a template from any service vendor | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: so for instance, if you create a chain with a config blob that the node driver doesn't understand, it will reject the node creation and try on the next driver | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | A prerequisite for a Node Driver to accept to be scheduled for a node, is that it understands the configuration format | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so vks_ do you want to explore using this #link: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/core/type_basics.html#sqlalchemy.types.Text | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: btw, ivar-lazzaro i think you pretty much addressed your own point about “enforcement” in those two last comments ;-) | 18:36 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, yeah sure | 18:36 |
| rkukura | OK, I now understand the current GBP SC approach does not cater to service’s with APIs. | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vks_: okay | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: its agnostic of that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think “does not cater to” would be the right characterization | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we have a couple of more topics to discuss at least | 18:37 |
| rkukura | Would it make sense for this config attribute to not be queries and returned by default? | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | just came across http://arxiv.org/ftp/cs/papers/0701/0701168.pdf | 18:38 |
| songole | rkukura: we need to be able to display config as stored | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | should give a look at it as well | 18:38 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | although it's a pretty old paper | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the debate around blob is not new | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: its good to use in certain places and its not in certain others | 18:39 |
| rkukura | From the abstract of ivar-lazzaro’s link, it seems <=256KB belongs in the DB | 18:40 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | we only allow 4k right now | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but different DB implementations wil tune this in a different way | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but I'm not sure there's actually a limit | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: its proabably they size of the records they can read in a single shot | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | versus multiple reads | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so vks_ and perhaps magesh can take the action item to explore using the text field as we previously discussed | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:43 |
| vks_ | SumitNaiksatam, OK | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Port extra attribute extension | 18:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Port extra attribute extension (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:43 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256880/ | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe bob had a comment to at least cross refernce a bug for this | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bob -> rkukura | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: mmm I created a bp | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | apparently didn't set it in the commit message though | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, but in that case was a spec posted? | 18:45 |
| rkukura | I wasn’t too thrilled about adding a special write-only attribute to the REST API, but I think ivar-lazzaro has addressed that, right? | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: nope | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the change is for internal API only | 18:46 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: and no persistence | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i would recommend treating this as a bug in that case, because having a BP without a spec has no meaning | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I can write a spec about this, but I feel it would take like 5 lines total or something | 18:46 |
| rkukura | I bug seems sufficient to me | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Even if the issue is explained in the BP itself? | 18:46 |
| rkukura | s/I/A/ | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: yeah, the API is only internal now | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok I'll move the BP as a bug | 18:47 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: Is the policy.json change still needed? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, launchpad BP is only for tracking purposes, specs are in gerrit as patches | 18:48 |
| songole | ivar-lazzaro: who is the intended user of this API? | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | songole: node drivers | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: its not an API change as of now | 18:48 |
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| songole | ivar-lazzaro: ok | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: no, but we missed that entry anyways | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: I can remove that change | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did you get a chance to review the current version of the patch? | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | is it possible to convert a BP into a bug? | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+spec/port-extra-attributes | 18:49 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I have not, but will | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i will create the bug for you ;-) | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I can do it, just didn't want to leave the BP around | 18:50 |
| rkukura | So this is a short-term fix that we need to backport to juno, etc? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i think we can obsolete that | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok! | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update, so seems like we are good to go with this once the bug is cross-referenced | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Propagating post-commit exceptions | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is a discussion ivar-lazzaro and were having offline | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and i believe at some point we might discussed with rkukura as well | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have this block of code: | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/policy_driver_manager.py#L122-L127 | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which masks the exceptions thrown by the drivers | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and for good reason | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so as to abstract the driver technology specific details from the user | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, since we are mostly doing orchestration in our drivers as well, we are increasingly feeling the need to propagate these exceptions to the users | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seems like there is a lot more benefit to the end user seeing the real exceptions than from abstracting them | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not to mention that it greatly helps in debugging | 18:56 |
| rkukura | Would it make sense to propagate a certain portion of the exception hierarchy, but mask the rest? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree with that, if there is a deterministic way to do that | 18:56 |
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| rkukura | Maybe anything derived from GroupPolicyDriverError should get propogated, so drivers can subclass this if they want to return details to the user. | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:58 |
| rkukura | I haven’t thought that through, but just wanted to give an example of how it might work. | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay so there doesnt seem to be outright objection to doing this, which is good | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we can explore | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:59 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | just a quick reminder we wont be meeting for the next couple of weeks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else that we might have missed? | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay then lets wrap up | 19:00 |
| rkukura | not that I can think of | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: oka | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | y | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | best wishes for the holidays and the new year to all! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| songole | bye | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 19:01:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-12-17-18.07.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-12-17-18.07.txt | 19:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting Ops and Architecture Guide | 21:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 21:31:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops and Architecture Guide)" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_and_architecture_guide' | 21:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:31 |
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| xavpaice | o/ | 21:32 |
| * mjrichardson waves | 21:32 | |
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| ShillaSaebi | darrenc here? | 21:33 |
| darrenc | Hi ShillaSaebi :) | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | hows it going? | 21:33 |
| gutbuster | hi | 21:33 |
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| darrenc | good thanks | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright lets go ahead and get started | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the previous meeting | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ops and Architecture Guide)" | 21:33 | |
| ShillaSaebi | i dont see any action items | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | we got the dates for the virtual swarm set which is 12/21 and 12/22 | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | please use this etherpad to sign up and to add details for Monday/Tues | 21:35 |
| darrenc | ShillaSaebi: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2015/ops_guide.2015-12-03-21.58.txt | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok so darrenc and gutbuster to find some SMEs | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | how did we do on that | 21:36 |
| gutbuster | not so well, everyone i talked to is pretty busy | 21:37 |
| darrenc | Yep, I got a few in APAC signed up | 21:37 |
| gutbuster | yay! | 21:37 |
| xavpaice | :) | 21:37 |
| darrenc | ^^^ | 21:37 |
| gutbuster | did they sign up to review or to actually join the swarm? | 21:37 |
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| darrenc | both | 21:37 |
| gutbuster | good | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats great | 21:38 |
| darrenc | graeme gillies who originally proposed the new structure is helping out | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats great! | 21:38 |
| darrenc | so should we discuss how the workflow for the swarm? | 21:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes we should | 21:40 |
| darrenc | ok | 21:40 |
| darrenc | So I'm hoping more SMEs can add comments to the etherpad so I can list some work items | 21:40 |
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| darrenc | I can create a wiki page with the work items and participants can assign themselves to it | 21:41 |
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| xavpaice | sounds like a great plan | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah that sounds good | 21:42 |
| darrenc | It be nice to assign pairs in a timezone to work together | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have about 3 people that are signed up to join for 1 out of the 2 days or roughly 5-6 hours | 21:42 |
| darrenc | so an ops with a writer to work on a chapter | 21:42 |
| darrenc | ok cool | 21:42 |
| xavpaice | what timezones are people in? | 21:43 |
| gutbuster | eastern (-500) | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | the 3 from my side including myself are ET | 21:43 |
| darrenc | I think APAC and US | 21:43 |
| mjrichardson | NZDT (+1300), fwiw. | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | we will be starting at 11:00 AM ET on 12/21 | 21:45 |
| xavpaice | will there be an IRC location for discussion? | 21:47 |
| darrenc | good point | 21:47 |
| darrenc | should we create one for the swarm? | 21:47 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hmmm great point | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah we should | 21:48 |
| darrenc | #arch-guide-swarm? | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds good to me | 21:48 |
| gutbuster | probably should; it'd be a long time to monopolize one of these channels | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok i added that to the etherpad | 21:48 |
| xavpaice | cool | 21:48 |
| darrenc | Also, I've created a draft directory for the arch guide with blank chapter files: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258246/ | 21:49 |
| darrenc | so don't hack up the current guide | 21:49 |
| darrenc | work in the draft directory | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | sweet | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | looks like were almost ready to roll | 21:50 |
| darrenc | yep! | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | do u think we should hit the docs ML one more time | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | make an announcement, include the etherpad and the dates to see if we can get some more participation | 21:50 |
| darrenc | I think so and the ops ML | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok i will do that now | 21:51 |
| darrenc | thanks! | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on the swarm | 21:53 |
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| darrenc | A friendly reminder to reference the blueprint in your commit messages as well | 21:54 |
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| darrenc | I think that's it | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 21:55 |
| mjrichardson | Great stuff | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | and i got the email out | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | hopefully we can get some more hands in the pot | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | I look fwd to Monday and Tues | 21:56 |
| darrenc | Me too | 21:56 |
| xavpaice | will be nice to make a change from daily ops | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | yep | 21:56 |
| darrenc | I think APAC will make a headstart | 21:56 |
| darrenc | I think we've got enough core reviewers in the group to push things through | 21:57 |
| xavpaice | unless those of us in apac wanted to do a Tue/Wed thing, with the US folks around in our morning | 21:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 21:57 |
| darrenc | I'm cool to stick to Mon/Tues | 21:57 |
| xavpaice | ace. I'll be about for most of those days, and can probably put some time aside after for reviews etc | 21:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 22:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright if not, lets go ahead and call it | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyone | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | looking forward to next week | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | see ya soon! | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 22:01:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_architecture_guide/2015/ops_and_architecture_guide.2015-12-17-21.31.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_architecture_guide/2015/ops_and_architecture_guide.2015-12-17-21.31.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_and_architecture_guide/2015/ops_and_architecture_guide.2015-12-17-21.31.log.html | 22:01 |
| darrenc | btw who's going to the ops midcycle? | 22:02 |
| darrenc | thanks ShillaSaebi | 22:02 |
| * xavpaice would love to but family needs me home | 22:02 | |
| darrenc | the flight costs atm are insane | 22:03 |
| darrenc | $3-4K catttle class | 22:03 |
| jamespd | where is it this time? | 22:03 |
| darrenc | Manchester UK | 22:03 |
| jamespd | right | 22:03 |
| darrenc | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/european-openstack-operators-meetup-tickets-19405855436 | 22:05 |
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