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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 06:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 06:31:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:31 |
| yamamoto | hi | 06:31 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 06:31 |
| soichi | hi | 06:31 |
| kaz | Hello | 06:31 |
| reedip | o/ | 06:31 |
| dedery | Hi, just came to say hello. I'll not be able to attend | 06:31 |
| dedery | Have a great meeting. | 06:31 |
| anil_rao | Hi dedery | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | Let's get started. | 06:32 |
| reedip | Hi , I have some queries related to the API. | 06:33 |
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| reedip | maybe we can take them up at the end ? | 06:33 |
| yamamoto | reedip: let's have "open discussion" after consuming the agenda items. | 06:33 |
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| reedip | agreed | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | Any left over items from last week? | 06:34 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas Agenda | 06:34 |
| yamamoto | who added "More Core Reviewers needed"? | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | No response ... | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | Let's proceed to soichi's proposal then | 06:35 |
| soichi | anil_rao: Thank you for your comments. | 06:36 |
| anil_rao | Any thoughts from the others regarding this proposal. | 06:36 |
| anil_rao | soichi: I have some questions, which I had put in my review comments. Can we discuss? | 06:37 |
| soichi | Yes. | 06:38 |
| anil_rao | First, the part about switching the port of the monitorng VM from br-int to br-tap. | 06:38 |
| soichi | If port of a monitoring VM is reconnected from br_int to br_tap by the taas agent | 06:39 |
| soichi | at the time of tap service creation, I guess any changes is not required to | 06:39 |
| soichi | existing Neutron mechanism and TaaS API. | 06:39 |
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| soichi | I think port security can be disabled after a VM is deployed by using Neutron API: | 06:39 |
| soichi | neutron port-update <port_id> --port_security_enabled False | 06:39 |
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| anil_rao | This might work okay but I am worried that we are getting too entrenched into details that should not really be a part of TaaS. Any thoughts? | 06:40 |
| anil_rao | Consider the case when a tap-service instance is deleted. We will then have to restore the port back to br-int. | 06:41 |
| soichi | Exactly | 06:41 |
| anil_rao | I'll examine your patch more thoroughly. Thanks for posting it. | 06:42 |
| soichi | Yes, please. We are waiting your feedback/ | 06:42 |
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| soichi | Excuse me, but I'd like to ask about port security settings. | 06:43 |
| soichi | I added following 3 lines in local.conf when I set up our site: | 06:43 |
| soichi | 1. [[post-config|/$Q_PLUGIN_CONF_FILE]] | 06:43 |
| anil_rao | Sure plese go ahead | 06:43 |
| soichi | 2. [ml2] | 06:43 |
| soichi | 3. extension_drivers=port_security | 06:43 |
| soichi | In our site, a monitoring VM (connected to br_tap) can receive mirrored packets without disabling port security. | 06:44 |
| soichi | I'm afraid that this is because our site has a wrong configuration on neutron or somewhere. | 06:44 |
| soichi | What do you think? | 06:44 |
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| anil_rao | There were 2 issues w.r.t. getting traffic into the monitoring VM. | 06:44 |
| anil_rao | Firstly, if port security is enabled, rules in iptables (Security groups implementation) prevent packets from entering the monitoring VM because the mac and ip addresses don't match. | 06:45 |
| anil_rao | Disabling port-security allowed us to get this barrier. | 06:46 |
| anil_rao | Furthermore, mac-address learning in the Linux bridge (connecting the OVS port to the monitoring VM's vNIC) was preventing packets from getting through. So we disabled this and essentially turned the bridge into a hub | 06:47 |
| anil_rao | I am surprised how you are able to get past these in your environment. | 06:47 |
| soichi | We have set mac address leaning disabled. | 06:48 |
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| anil_rao | Are security groups functional in your environment? | 06:49 |
| soichi | Yes, I think so. We configured the default security group to through ICMP and SSH. | 06:51 |
| anil_rao | Essentially there are mac-address spoofing and ip address spoofing rules in iptables that will prevent typical mirrored packets from getting through to the monitoring VM, unless port-security is disabled. | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | Let's discuss this on the mailing list. | 06:54 |
| soichi | ok. we will check mac-address spoofing and ip address spoofing. | 06:54 |
| soichi | Sure | 06:54 |
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| anil_rao | I was hoping to hear from some of the others regarding the other item, which is dedicated tunnels for TaaS, as opposed to using the existing Neutron inter-host tunnels. | 06:54 |
| anil_rao | Anyone? | 06:54 |
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| yamamoto | i'm afraid it requires ovs-agent be more aware of taas. | 06:55 |
| kaz | for example? | 06:56 |
| yamamoto | eg. moving ports between bridges would make ovs-agent think the port is plugged/unplugged | 06:57 |
| kaz | i see. | 06:57 |
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| anil_rao | How about the dedicated tunnels vs existing tunnels. I see it being a lot of work if TaaS were to maintain its own set of tunnels. Any thoughts from the others? | 06:59 |
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| anil_rao | OK, lets move to th next item. | 07:01 |
| soichi | I have one more item. | 07:01 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | i have a mixed feeling about the dedicated tunnel idea. | 07:01 |
| soichi | On the openstak-dev mailing list, we got a message from Fawad? | 07:01 |
| soichi | link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080136.html | 07:01 |
| soichi | What should we do? | 07:01 |
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| yamamoto | i guess someone should explain the history of the bp and the current taas project. | 07:03 |
| yamamoto | on ML. | 07:03 |
| anil_rao | I can take a stab at that. | 07:03 |
| soichi | Thank you. | 07:03 |
| reedip | There's not much written on the BP as such | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | I'll post there tomorrow (its 11:00 pm here now). :) | 07:04 |
| reedip | Maybe a neutron page ( like the spec up for review) would be an ideal way to approach this ? | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | The original BP is quite old. The TaaS spec (which got initiated after the Atlanta summit) is more relevant. | 07:05 |
| anil_rao | Dedicated tunnels would mean that we essentially reimplement a lot of stuff that Neutron/ML2 is already doing today. | 07:05 |
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| anil_rao | I believe performance isolation is something that should be of general interest for regular production traffic too. That is how to ensure good performance for different neutron provisioned virtual networks. | 07:08 |
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| anil_rao | TaaS mirrored traffic is just another type of production traffic IMHO. | 07:08 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 07:08 |
| soichi | We are planning to measure performance. I'd like to discuss with numbers. | 07:09 |
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| anil_rao | soichi: That would be great. | 07:10 |
| anil_rao | We should also not forget that while service provider initiated monitoring is 'important' we would also want TaaS to be used by individual tenants. So it may not be always be possible to have multiple host level NICs. | 07:14 |
| soichi | I see. | 07:14 |
| anil_rao | Do folks want to discuss the last few lines in the agenda? | 07:17 |
| anil_rao | I did not understand what was meant by 'IP addresses of underlay networks are hard-coded. | 07:18 |
| soichi | IP addresses of hosts required to create a dedicated tunnel. | 07:19 |
| anil_rao | okay. | 07:20 |
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| anil_rao | the br-tun tunnel mgmt is quite sophisticated. New tunnels are automatically created when hosts come on-line for example. | 07:21 |
| soichi | It can be one of a idea. | 07:23 |
| soichi | We did not create full-mesh tunnles to avoid loop. | 07:24 |
| anil_rao | Your solution may not necessarily require a full mesh, but I fear that if there are enough tap-service instances and tap-flows to them, we might end up with a very complex array of TaaS dedicated tunnels. At this point, we will be essentially re-doing everything ML2 Neutron does today to handle the various corner cases. | 07:26 |
| anil_rao | Let's continue this discussion on the mailing list. I'll post my original review comments to your thread there and we'll proceed then. Does this sound okay? | 07:27 |
| soichi | I will consider your comment. | 07:27 |
| soichi | ok | 07:27 |
| yamamoto | even if we want to use dedicated tunnels, it's better to make ovs-agent create another set of tunnels for us, rather than having our copy of tunnel management code. | 07:28 |
| anil_rao | Agree | 07:28 |
| yamamoto | it would be easier if we turn our agent to an agent extension. | 07:28 |
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| yamamoto | 2 mins left for open discussion. :-) | 07:29 |
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| anil_rao | yamamoto: We should definitely consider this. Even if not the full TaaS agent, some parts of it could definitely be an agent extension. | 07:29 |
| anil_rao | redeep? | 07:30 |
| reedip | Hi, if the open-discussion is open , I wanted to discuss some points about the API | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Yes | 07:30 |
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| reedip | a) is it required to list the API end points under /taas/? | 07:30 |
| anil_rao | Looks like we are out of time. Can we continue this next week. | 07:30 |
| reedip | hmm.... | 07:31 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Sorry. Next week you go first. | 07:31 |
| anil_rao | redeep: Also, please start a discussion thread on the mailing list and we'll all join in there. | 07:32 |
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| anil_rao | I stop the meeting now. It is past 11:30 pm (PST). Thanks, Bye. | 07:32 |
| soichi | Thank you. | 07:32 |
| yamamoto | bye | 07:32 |
| kaz | bye | 07:32 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 07:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 07:32:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-25-06.31.html | 07:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-25-06.31.txt | 07:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2015/taas.2015-11-25-06.31.log.html | 07:33 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 09:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | hi everyone :-) | 09:00 |
| oetrog | hello | 09:00 |
| lhartal | hi :-) | 09:00 |
| alexey_weyl | Hello :) | 09:01 |
| idan_hefetz | hi | 09:01 |
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| ohad | hi everyone | 09:01 |
| emalin | good morning | 09:01 |
| istolber | hi :) | 09:01 |
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| eyalb | hi | 09:01 |
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| nyakar | hihi | 09:02 |
| ^Gal^ | hi | 09:03 |
| amir_gur | hello | 09:03 |
| ifat_afek | Let’s start. Our agenda today: | 09:03 |
| ifat_afek | * Current status and progress from last week | 09:03 |
| ifat_afek | * Review action items | 09:03 |
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| ifat_afek | * Next steps | 09:03 |
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| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 09:03 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Current status and progress from last week | 09:04 |
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| ifat_afek | The blueprints are still in the process of being reviewed. We are hoping to get reviews from Doctor, Ceilometer and Monasca teams. | 09:04 |
| elishar_ | hi everyone | 09:04 |
| armen_aghasaryan | hi | 09:04 |
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| ifat_afek | Regarding manage-ceilometer-alarms blueprint, we are currently in a discussion with Ceilometer guys, specifically with Ryota Mibu (Doctor PTL) and Gordon Chung (Ceilometer PTL). | 09:04 |
| elishar_ | hi armen - welcome | 09:05 |
| aheller | Hi :) | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | The current AODH API does not allow us to trigger our custom deduced alarms. We are checking if it would be possible to add this capability to AODH. | 09:05 |
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| ifat_afek | We got a few comments from Roland Hochmuth (Monasca PTL). We need to write a blueprint for the integration with Monasca, so they can review it. Anyone can take it? | 09:05 |
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| nadav | hi again | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek need to add a blueprint for monasca | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding the workplan, here is a link to Mitaka release schedule: | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | I set the series goal for some of the blueprints we are currently working on to be mitaka-2: get-topology-api, networkx-graph-driver, vitrage-resource-processor and vitrage-cli | 09:07 |
| ifat_afek | lhartal, can you update about the meetings we had? | 09:07 |
| lhartal | We had a design meeting on our first use case – Show Topology | 09:08 |
| lhartal | In the meeting we discussed the following blueprints, which are relevant to this use case: Vitrage Graph component, Vitrage Graph driver, get topology API, Vitrage API and Vitrage graph transformers | 09:08 |
| lhartal | Additionally, we need to add a new blueprint – Nova Transformer | 09:08 |
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| lhartal | This blueprint explains the transformer mechanism with implementation of our first use case (Representation of nova.instances and nova.machines in the graph) | 09:09 |
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| alexey_weyl | liat: *component=processor | 09:10 |
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| lhartal | you right :) | 09:11 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks. nadav, can you update regarding the progress you had with the synchronizer? | 09:11 |
| nadav | sure: | 09:11 |
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| nadav | I have divided our work to stories which are to be prioritized and assigned to people in the following days. synchronizer blueprint design updated, awaiting approval | 09:12 |
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| nadav | we have had a meeting regarding the graph and the synchronizer modules interfacing and concluded that the synchronizer response - it would contain a dictinary which its data is to be determined per plugin | 09:12 |
| lhartal | #action lhartal To add Nova Transformer blueprint | 09:13 |
| nadav | and finally, regarding concurrency best practices - per a consultation with Julien from AODH will be implemented via multiple subprocesses for utilization of multiple cores via python-multiprocessing library. We might also use python threads, which are lighter but not multiple core , for blocking I/O operations | 09:14 |
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| ifat_afek | Thanks. Can you split the synchronizer blueprint to smaller blueprints, according to your work plan? also, please check what part of the synchronizer blueprint can be completed by mitaka-2. | 09:14 |
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| nadav | np. we have already started this process | 09:15 |
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| ifat_afek | thanks | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek | #action nadav split the synchronizer blueprint and check what can be done for mitaka-2 | 09:15 |
| ifat_afek | aheller, can you update on the UI progress? | 09:15 |
| alonh | sure... | 09:16 |
| alonh | We pushed our first commit yesterday: So you can see it in the vitrage-dashboard | 09:16 |
| ifat_afek | great!! | 09:17 |
| alexey_weyl | Way the go :) | 09:17 |
| alonh | It contains "Hello World" as a plugin of Horizon | 09:17 |
| lhartal | good new :-) | 09:17 |
| alonh | More than that, we talked about the design, and the solution of how we want to show it on the UI | 09:18 |
| omer_etrog | now we need to add the vitrage service to the plugin | 09:18 |
| alonh | and the Karma tests :) | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | Thanks. Do you know if your sunburst blueprint can be ready for mitaka-2? | 09:19 |
| ifat_afek | january 21 | 09:19 |
| alonh | Quickly... I think yes, but we still have unknown issues like the d3 framework limitations, and the unknown design. | 09:20 |
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| alonh | So... I don't know for sure | 09:20 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | I’d like to check also the status of the other blueprints we have started working on. | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb, can you updated on get-topology-api and vitrage-cli? | 09:21 |
| eyalb | yes sure | 09:21 |
| alonh | last thing, We also dependent on the API from other team | 09:22 |
| ifat_afek | of course | 09:22 |
| eyalb | I continue working on the vitrage client | 09:22 |
| eyalb | we decided on the type of response we will get that will describe a topology | 09:22 |
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| eyalb | it will be a json graph spec | 09:23 |
| eyalb | #link http://jsongraphformat.info/ | 09:23 |
| eyalb | we will also add some filter options for get topology | 09:23 |
| eyalb | so the client can get sub parts of the graph | 09:24 |
| eyalb | I started updating the blueprints of the api and client | 09:24 |
| eyalb | and started looking how to implement the api service | 09:25 |
| eyalb | also I need to add tests for the client | 09:25 |
| alonh | I'm not so sure about the graph. The topology can be describe as a tree | 09:26 |
| eyalb | although I might wait for the server api and then I can do full functional tests | 09:26 |
| eyalb | using tempestr | 09:26 |
| eyalb | thats all :-) | 09:26 |
| eyalb | we talked to noy and we cant | 09:26 |
| elishar_ | we will also need to see if there are cases, when the api response is known to be a tree, that we want to return a tree. we need to scope out the use cases and see if the ui can easily use a graph instead of needing a tree. | 09:26 |
| ifat_afek | eyalb; by server api do you mean the graph driver api? | 09:26 |
| armen_aghasaryan | will the topology include later on horizontal relation defined by heat? | 09:27 |
| alonh | When talking about storage, we can't. But when talking on topology (hosts, vms, etc...) we can | 09:27 |
| eyalb | the vitrage-api service | 09:27 |
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| elishar_ | armen_aghasaryan: you mean horizontal as in direct relationships between instances (vms)? | 09:28 |
| armen_aghasaryan | yes | 09:28 |
| eyalb | if we add a filter that asks for only hosts and vms then ask for a tree representation | 09:28 |
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| elishar_ | armen_aghasaryan: I think that's a design decision we will make at a later stage, though my inclination is yes. | 09:30 |
| eyalb | this can be another filter to add --tree or --graph | 09:30 |
| armen_aghasaryan | indeed in this case, you dont have anymore a tree | 09:30 |
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| elishar_ | indeed, it is clear we will need to support a general graph representation. However, some queries to the graph might yield a tree, and then the UI might have tree-oriented visualization techniques they can use | 09:33 |
| eyalb | if a tree representation is not possible for the query then an http error response will be sent | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | sounds good | 09:34 |
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| ifat_afek | eyalb: I want to make sure I understood. you are currently working on the client, and only later will work on the api? | 09:35 |
| eyalb | both | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | ok | 09:35 |
| eyalb | since they talk to each other :-) | 09:36 |
| ifat_afek | let's move on. . Idan, can you update on networkx-graph-driver? | 09:36 |
| idan_hefetz | yea | 09:36 |
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| idan_hefetz | The blueprint defines the basic graph interface and includes an implementation for NetworkX. | 09:37 |
| idan_hefetz | I had discussions with Liat and Alexey to make sure the interface is sufficient to support other blueprints. | 09:37 |
| idan_hefetz | already have a prototype and I will soon send a patch, so we can begin using it. | 09:37 |
| ifat_afek | great, thanks | 09:38 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl, can you update on vitrage-resource-processor? | 09:38 |
| alexey_weyl | started to work on the Processor with Dany and Nofar. | 09:38 |
| alexey_weyl | I need to talk with the Transformer, Synchronizer and GraphDriver people in order to to the integration with those parts | 09:39 |
| alexey_weyl | In addition, I started to look how the vitrage should start and everything should run there | 09:40 |
| alexey_weyl | So, in order to do this, we need to start our services | 09:40 |
| alexey_weyl | for example, processor service | 09:40 |
| alexey_weyl | the way to do this is to inherite from oslo.service | 09:41 |
| alexey_weyl | and implimenet this class | 09:41 |
| alexey_weyl | and as well to add a script in openstack which will call to this service and raise it up | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | ok, thanks. let's move on | 09:41 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 09:42 |
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| ifat_afek | let's review our action items from the previous meeting | 09:42 |
| ^Gal^ | I have some updaes | 09:42 |
| ^Gal^ | Regarding: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-alarm-management-page | 09:42 |
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| ^Gal^ | I've managed to contact the assignee: Sanjana from Hitachi. | 09:42 |
| ^Gal^ | He says he'll commit his code very soon | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:43 |
| ifat_afek | thanks ^Gal^ | 09:43 |
| ^Gal^ | sure, np | 09:44 |
| ifat_afek | other action items: | 09:44 |
| ifat_afek | * lhartal document API in Vitrage wiki page | 09:44 |
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| lhartal | we already did the design but yet published it | 09:46 |
| ifat_afek | ok, I think we already have an action item for next time about it | 09:46 |
| ifat_afek | * ifat_afek finish the last blueprint | 09:46 |
| ifat_afek | We did not yet write the blueprint with all of our use cases. Anyone wants to do it? | 09:47 |
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| elishar_ | we need to have a blueprint for a set of initial use cases. With each batch of use cases we will need to have a corresponding blueprint. | 09:48 |
| ifat_afek | I agree | 09:48 |
| elishar_ | however, we still have to decide which will be the first use cases we want to do | 09:49 |
| elishar_ | by "use case" I mean a deduced alarm/rca use case | 09:49 |
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| elishar_ | I think we should wait until we see how we progress with the synchonizers before deciding on what it is | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek | makes sense | 09:50 |
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| ifat_afek | so let's wait with this blueprint | 09:50 |
| ifat_afek | next action item: nadav_yakar update synchronizer blueprint and gerrit | 09:51 |
| nadav | done, waiting for review | 09:52 |
| ifat_afek | great | 09:52 |
| ifat_afek | * elisha_rosensweig decide on where to get the list alarms ui | 09:52 |
| elishar_ | so we had some email correspondence with ceilometer representatives about this issue. we're in the process of understanding the capabilities of AODH in this regard. | 09:53 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek finish the discussions with AODH regarding our integration with them | 09:53 |
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| ifat_afek | next: nadav_yakar find a best practice for concurrency handling in openstack projects | 09:54 |
| nadav | done, see my response on the beginning of the conversation | 09:54 |
| ifat_afek | thanks. next: finish review of the blueprints | 09:54 |
| ifat_afek | We did not finish the reviews, as we still hope we can get reviews from Doctor, Ceilometer and Monasca guys | 09:54 |
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| ifat_afek | #action finish review of the blueprints | 09:55 |
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| ifat_afek | last one: decide what information is part of the synchronizer events | 09:55 |
| nadav | will be done per plugin once developed. Please see full comment on the beginning of the conversation for the full details | 09:56 |
| ifat_afek | ok. next topic | 09:56 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:56 |
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| ifat_afek | We need to start thinking about our tests. I will schedule a meeting with Marina and Eliran, so they can explain us what they know about the tempest tests. | 09:56 |
| ifat_afek | #ifat_afek schedule a meeting regarding tempest | 09:57 |
| ifat_afek | anything else? | 09:57 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 09:57 |
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| amir_gur | is it possible to write vitrage using python 3? | 09:58 |
| eyalb | yes | 09:59 |
| emalin | Does oslo support python3 ? | 09:59 |
| eyalb | we need to make sure our code is compitable | 09:59 |
| elishar_ | from what i've read, it seems that using python3 is possible, but has problems due to dependencies within openstack whcih is currently in 2.x | 09:59 |
| eyalb | you can check in the setup.cfg project | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek | we are out of time. thanks everyone :-) | 09:59 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 10:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-25-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-25-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2015/vitrage.2015-11-25-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| amotoki | hi, horizon? | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 12:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 12:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| mrunge | hey amotoki o/ | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:01 |
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| tsufiev | O/ | 12:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:01 |
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| omer_etrog | o/ | 12:02 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 12:02 |
| masco | o/ | 12:02 |
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| david-lyle | Hello all | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | we had a bug day yesterday | 12:04 |
| masco | hello | 12:04 |
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| david-lyle | Looks like robcresswell just sent the results to the dev ML | 12:05 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | oh cool. I've been away from work(ish) today so I've not caught up | 12:05 |
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| david-lyle | 140 bugs categorized and 50 marked no longer valid | 12:05 |
| mrunge | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080467.html | 12:06 |
| tsufiev | I got a feeling that we need bug week instead :) | 12:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | definitely worth doing more | 12:06 |
| mrunge | I had the impression, that must have been more bugs invalidated | 12:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I gotta learn not to get bogged down on one or two bugs ;-) | 12:06 |
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| masco | we can have a bug day for every week | 12:07 |
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| masco | still we reach some decent number | 12:07 |
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| david-lyle | I think it's good progress | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | agree that we have more coming | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | s/coming/to do/ | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | thanks to robcresswell for organizing | 12:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Maybe a bug week would be a better solution? =) Given the fact that people live in different time-zone a more broad time-spawn for such an event might be beneficial. | 12:09 |
| mrunge | I don't think, that's a real issue | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | I'm kind of half here. I think the occasional day is a good focus point. Nobody can spare a week, but a day every month or so? | 12:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | kzaitsev_mb: what about the timezones did you think didn't work? | 12:10 |
| tsufiev | kzaitsev_ws, on the other hand, scrubbing bugs for the whole week would be boring | 12:10 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: +1 | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | kzaitsev_mb: I'd rather have days separated. I think people would lose interest and focus over a longer of period of time | 12:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: +1 | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | or what tsufiev said | 12:10 |
| omer_etrog | tsufiev: +1 | 12:10 |
| masco | tsufiev, yes, even the whole day is kind of boring ;) | 12:11 |
| * tsufiev acting in role of Captain Obvious :) | 12:11 | |
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| david-lyle | #topic priority review | 12:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority review (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:12 | |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-horizon-priorities | 12:12 |
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| david-lyle | For plugins, documentation is blocked on me | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | still writing, hope to post today | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | localization, not sure any work is being done | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | localization for plugins that is | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | adding angular content | 12:16 |
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| david-lyle | seems several patches have merged, but much of the meat has not | 12:16 |
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| robcresswell | I know on the images stuff Travis was helping them out on the APIs still | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | theming docs have landed | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | pbr spec is still WIP, correct r1chardj0n3s | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | I need to review the latest revision | 12:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, I poked at Monty today to try to get it moving, he said to poke Robert :/ | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | ok | 12:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not sure what else I can do to get that thing moving | 12:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I don't feel right hassling Robert so much, but pbr has no other reviewers AFAICT) | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | I think it's moving as fast as it will | 12:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | I also started splitting out Sahara content | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, right now I'm talking with our Sahara guys about moving integration tests to sahara-dashboard | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | that needs some more work on the destination side by me | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: great, I didn't get to a plan on that | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | looks like phantomjs is about to merge, thanks reviewers! | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | although with the use of run_tests.sh in the destination repo | 12:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | next up is merging the webdrivers, which tsufiev will love to review! :-) | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | I think I may have an idea | 12:23 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, yes, it's in my queue | 12:23 |
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| david-lyle | any other priority items I missed? | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | ok, moving on the the agenda | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_November_25 | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | #topic weekly bug report | 12:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly bug report (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:25 | |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport | 12:25 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so Diana's patches are all gated on the HTML unit testing patch <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246549/> that could probably use some thought from more folks | 12:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | switching over to DOM-based testing has altered the scope of the tests, and we just need to be cool with that, or add additional tests to cover the bits lost in the translation | 12:27 |
| * david-lyle needs to look at that patch | 12:28 | |
| david-lyle | #topic Horizon and django-debreach | 12:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon and django-debreach (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:28 | |
| tsufiev | I added this topic | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | so, there is a specific django app proposed for adding to requirements.txt and horizon config | 12:29 |
| tsufiev | it's used for mitigating BREACH attack, which AFAIU could be used to steal some cookie data from HTTPS sessions | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | background https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1209250 | 12:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1209250 in OpenStack Security Notes "Configure Horizon to mitigate BREACH/CRIME attacks" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Robert Clark (robert-clark) | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | so the problem is around using compression with Django | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure django-debreach is the answer | 12:31 |
| tsufiev | I wonder how much will be the performance impact if we disable gzip middleware | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: that should be the default behavior now | 12:32 |
| amotoki | agree | 12:32 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, so, the recommended fix is to disable gzip compression in Django and do not touch django-debreach in upstream? | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | that's what the OSSN says, yes | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | the django-debreach package has some fishy wording | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | "Adds middleware and context processors to give some protection against the BREACH attack in Django" | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | some protection | 12:34 |
| tsufiev | :) | 12:34 |
| tsufiev | "When combined with rate limiting in your web-server, or by using something like django-ratelimit, the techniques here should provide at least some protection against the BREACH attack." | 12:34 |
| tsufiev | I got an impression that django-debreach app alone is not enough | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | I think this should be a deployer choice rather than our default | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | I think adding a note to the OSSN wiki page would be the best answer | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | along the lines of here's an option that may work for you | 12:35 |
| amotoki | don't we need to add some note to our document? | 12:36 |
| amotoki | it would be helpful for new deployers. | 12:36 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: we certainly can do that too | 12:36 |
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| david-lyle | any other thoughts on django-debreach? | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | anyone for making it the default? | 12:38 |
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| tsufiev | well, perhaps we'll make it default in our downstream distro | 12:38 |
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| tsufiev | discussing right now with our security engineer | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | #topic Dashboards for Neutron subprojects (amotoki) | 12:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dashboards for Neutron subprojects (amotoki) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:40 | |
| amotoki | I started a mailing thread about dashboard for neutron subproject. | 12:40 |
| amotoki | I could not have time to discuss it during the summit :-( | 12:40 |
| amotoki | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080441.html | 12:41 |
| amotoki | I think there are various opinions on this. | 12:41 |
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| amotoki | I would like to have opinions from horizon reviewer side. | 12:41 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: so these are new subprojects not already supported? | 12:42 |
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| amotoki | david-lyle: mostly yes. | 12:43 |
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| david-lyle | how related are they, other than neutron stuff? | 12:43 |
| amotoki | for example, networking service chaining (sfc) is a good example. | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | oh yeah, the 4500 line patch :) | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, sorry for the late question, but we still don't have a patch for disable gzip middleware, do we? | 12:43 |
| amotoki | they are neutron stuff but they are emerging projects. | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: it's not enabled by default | 12:43 |
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| amotoki | one point is that they are optional. | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | ah, got it, thanks! | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: I think the best way to make progress on those is to not have them in tree in Horizon | 12:44 |
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| david-lyle | now how to organize the repo(s), not sure | 12:45 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: agree. | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | it's possible to put many panels in one repo that would add to the existing networking panel group | 12:45 |
| amotoki | I am afraid if we have dashboard directory in each tree it makes horizon developer difficult to be aware of dashboard changes. | 12:46 |
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| amotoki | because most of patches in such projects are unrelated to horizon. | 12:46 |
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| tsufiev | amotoki, shouldn't we use release notes mechanism for these notifications from now on? | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: dashboard directory? | 12:47 |
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| amotoki | david-lyle: we can use dashboard directory, but I am not sure gerrit query support it to find changes under dashboard/ directory. | 12:48 |
| amotoki | tsufiev: could you elaborate more? | 12:48 |
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| tsufiev | amotoki, ah, now I realized that this won't help, because release notes for, say. neutron-specific-dashboard will be inside that repo and horizon devs wouldn't read it | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: I'm trying to understand the choices still | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | 1) in horizon tree | 12:50 |
| amotoki | what i I want to say by "dashboard directory" is that each neutorn subproject has 'dashboard/' direcotry for horizon integration. | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | 2) neutron-horizon-repo | 12:50 |
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| david-lyle | 3) neutron/dashboard like neutron/devstack | 12:51 |
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| amotoki | 3) neutron-foo/dashboard | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | 4) feature-a-dash repo, feature-b-dash repo | 12:51 |
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| amotoki | 4) neutron-foo-dashbaord repor | 12:51 |
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| tsufiev | amotoki, on the other hand, why should horizon developers be aware of new dashboards built on horizon? | 12:52 |
| amotoki | tsufiev: I think it is important to share horizon development conventions or similar things. | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: I'm not sure I like 3 | 12:52 |
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| david-lyle | the reason is requiring cohabitation of the neutron foo package on the horizon server | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | it works for devstack because devstack is intended to be single server | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | I think sharing a horizon and neutron controller would be odd | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | for deployment | 12:54 |
| amotoki | in ubuntu packaging, xxx-common (like nova-common, neutorn-common) provides python modules | 12:54 |
| amotoki | and xxx-api package provider entry points or configuration files. | 12:54 |
| amotoki | in this case, it works. | 12:54 |
| amotoki | I don't know about rpm packaging side. | 12:55 |
| tsufiev | amotoki, IMO, the sharing works much better in horizon->dashboards direction than in the opposite one :/. Well, that's entirely opinionated | 12:55 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki: if they are packaged separately, that could be fine, but the testing apparatus between the two parts will be different | 12:57 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: i see. | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | so far all other projects have chosen a separate repo, but they aren't managing all the sub-projects that neutron is | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I can see the desire to not have so many repos | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | I will respond to the thread, others feel free to respond too | 12:58 |
| amotoki | so I think it is important to have some reasonable collaboration point between neutron(subprojects) and horizon. | 12:59 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: thanks. | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: I agree completely | 12:59 |
| amotoki | we need inputs from both neutron and horizon sides. | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | time's up. Thanks everyone. | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 13:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-25-12.01.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-25-12.01.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-11-25-12.01.log.html | 13:00 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 13:00 |
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| * ihrachys waves at qos folks | 14:00 | |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| ajo | hi moshele , irenab , ihrachys , njohnston | 14:00 |
| ajo | :) | 14:00 |
| moshele | hi :) | 14:01 |
| irenab | hi | 14:01 |
| njohnston | good morning! | 14:01 |
| ajo | let me ping hdaniel about it | 14:01 |
| ajo | I think he forgot | 14:01 |
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| ajo | ok, let's give him 1 more minute, or otherwise start | 14:02 |
| ajo | ping mrunge | 14:03 |
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| ajo | tic toc tic toc... ;) | 14:03 |
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| mrunge | ajo pong? | 14:03 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron-qos | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 14:03:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron-qos)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:03 |
| ajo | hi mrunge :) | 14:03 |
| ajo | can I ping you later to get updates on QoS/horizon integration? | 14:04 |
| ajo | #topic agenda | 14:04 |
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| mrunge | ajo, I'm about to leave the house | 14:04 |
| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-mitaka | 14:04 |
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| ajo | mrunge : ok, if you can send me a quick status update via query I will tell everybody later, | 14:04 |
| ajo | if not possible, it's ok, we will see that next meeting then | 14:04 |
| irenab | I am at parallel meeting, sorry for slow participation | 14:04 |
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| ajo | So, first thing on the agenda, | 14:05 |
| ajo | well, first, welcome back to the meeting, and 2nd... | 14:05 |
| ajo | does it seem right to move this meeting into "every two weeks mode" ? | 14:06 |
| ajo | irenab , ihrachys , moshele , njohnston ? | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | I don't mind if we do. | 14:06 |
| moshele | fine by me | 14:06 |
| irenab | +1 | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | I am not that involved though these days, so meh. | 14:06 |
| ajo | I suspect we will have work, and not enough fuel for 1h meetings for now | 14:06 |
| njohnston | I am all right with it, I don't think the updates will be coming fast and furious at this point. | 14:06 |
| ajo | yeah njohnston :) | 14:07 |
| ajo | ok, so, I will send an update | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | yeah, it was different during L when we were indeed rushing and stepping on each one's feet | 14:07 |
| ajo | #action set the meeting for every two weeks, instead of weekly | 14:07 |
| ajo | ok, | 14:07 |
| ajo | let's track the current ongoing work :) | 14:08 |
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| ajo | #topic ongoing items | 14:08 |
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| mrunge | ajo, sent in separate query | 14:08 |
| ajo | thanks mrunge : very appreciated | 14:08 |
| ajo | First item is RBAC, hdaniel is just joining (pinged me via query), so he will update us | 14:08 |
| * ajo looks for the bug link | 14:09 | |
| ihrachys | I don't see him though | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | can we move forward while he joins? | 14:09 |
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| ajo | yes | 14:10 |
| ajo | njohnston , could you update on the DSCP status? :) | 14:10 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468353 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468353 in neutron "QoS DSCP marking rule support" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston) | 14:10 |
| njohnston | So the way we left it is that you were thinking the RFE was not required | 14:11 |
| njohnston | So I wasn't sure if I should abandon it, or not. | 14:11 |
| ajo | You can use the bug as a tracker | 14:11 |
| ajo | and start sending patches if you want | 14:12 |
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| njohnston | But we're working on code on our side to implement it using OVS flows | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | well I believe RFE bug is good to track the feature in Mitaka. not sure about spec. | 14:12 |
| ajo | as per my conversation from armax after the previous week drivers meeting | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | njohnston++ for starting on the code | 14:12 |
| ajo | we don't need the #rfe or #rfe-approved tags for this | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | agreed with no need for tags | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | just make sure it's targeted for M | 14:13 |
| ajo | but the bug is good as a tracker of completion | 14:13 |
| njohnston | One idea we were wondering is, should we modify the existing QoS devref or create a new one? I was thinking modify the existing... | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | njohnston: existing | 14:13 |
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| njohnston | Good. So currently we're working on our updates to the agent code, making sure that everything gets run properly through add_flow/mod_flow etc. as well as devref updates, starting with the unit tests and then working back to create working code. | 14:14 |
| moshele | do you have code patches for review ? | 14:15 |
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| njohnston | No, not up yet; we have about half the unit tests done, and we're trying to think very hard about making sure we don't screw up the flow table. | 14:17 |
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| njohnston | We hope to have parts up for review in the coming weeks. | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | njohnston: WIP patches could be of help | 14:17 |
| ajo | ack, coming weeks sounds nice | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | ajo: I don't like 's' in that 'weeks' | 14:18 |
| njohnston | Great, I'll work hard to get something up ASAP | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:18 |
| njohnston | I say weeks because ofvacation around the Thanksgiving holiday in the US | 14:18 |
| slaweq_work | hello, is it qos meeting now? | 14:18 |
| ajo | njohnston : please note that the flow tables could eventually get refactored into a different form, but I will be aware of the qos/dscp part | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_work: right. we'll discuss lb bwlimit later | 14:18 |
| slaweq_work | ihrachys: ok, thx | 14:18 |
| ajo | njohnston and not likely to happen this cycle unless required by the circumstances | 14:19 |
| njohnston | ajo: Awesome | 14:19 |
| ajo | ok, so, let's move on into RBAC | 14:19 |
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| ajo | ping hdaniel | 14:19 |
| hdaniel | ajo: pong | 14:19 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512587 | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512587 in neutron "[RFE] Role-based Access Control for QoS policies" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Haim Daniel (hdaniel) | 14:19 |
| ajo | hdaniel , could you update us on your findings? :) | 14:19 |
| hdaniel | ajo: So there's a dilemma regarding the qos shared field | 14:20 |
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| ajo | correct, | 14:20 |
| ajo | as far as I understood from our last talk, networks code emulate the --shared flag to create rbac entries, or to pull rbac entries as "True/False" on that field | 14:21 |
| ajo | over the api requests | 14:21 |
| ajo | so here, we have two options: | 14:21 |
| hdaniel | ajo: exactly. | 14:21 |
| ajo | 1) we throw away the --shared flag on the policies, and solely rely on rbac | 14:21 |
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| ajo | 2) we introduce the compatibility layer (which is a bit of a PITA to keep), in kevinbenton words: if you can get rid of shared now, do it :) | 14:22 |
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| ajo | we would be introducing an incompatible change to integrations with qos, | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | ajo: they already have the field, we can't just drop it | 14:23 |
| ajo | but as it's an experimental API yet, it could be ok | 14:23 |
| ajo | opinions? | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | experimental? where did we claim it? | 14:23 |
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| ajo | ihrachys : that was my understanding , may be I got it wrong :) | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | my belief is it's not experimental unless we make it clear | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | with warnings, or docs | 14:24 |
| ajo | ok | 14:24 |
| ajo | any other thoughts? | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it's also not that much of a PITA since object properly will hide it | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | *property | 14:25 |
| ajo | hdaniel : I guess we may want to keep the shared flag then. | 14:25 |
| hdaniel | ajo, ihrachys: I gambled on that , so the current patch behaves that way | 14:25 |
| ajo | and what ihrachys suggests sounds like a good pattern, including a shared (settable) property on the object. | 14:25 |
| ajo | ok hdaniel :) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | hdaniel: wise boy ;) | 14:26 |
| ajo | code_cleanups-- | 14:26 |
| ajo | compatibility++ | 14:26 |
| hdaniel | head_ache++ | 14:26 |
| ajo | lol | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | hdaniel: rule#1: always selected the most painful path | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | *select | 14:26 |
| ajo | ':) | 14:27 |
| hdaniel | ihrachys, ajo: will write that (with blood) | 14:27 |
| * ihrachys hopes not his blood | 14:27 | |
| * ajo runs scared | 14:27 | |
| ajo | ok :) | 14:27 |
| ajo | next topic | 14:27 |
| ajo | or | 14:28 |
| ajo | hdaniel , any other thing related to RBAC that could be important? | 14:28 |
| hdaniel | ajo: nope, but I'm 100% sure they'll appear after the submission - | 14:28 |
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| ajo | ack :) | 14:29 |
| ajo | devil is in the details... | 14:29 |
| ajo | ok so | 14:29 |
| ajo | #topic horizon integration | 14:29 |
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| ajo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/network-bandwidth-limiting-qos | 14:29 |
| ajo | masco is making progress on that front: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247997/ | 14:29 |
| ajo | thank you masco! ;) | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | oh so cool | 14:30 |
| ajo | wow +521 lines | 14:30 |
| ajo | it's still not possible to create policies, but it's on it's way | 14:30 |
| ajo | I guess we should all eventually start testing the patch | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | it's full of js magic. I bow before masco's greatness. | 14:31 |
| ajo | "Masco Kaliyamoorthy"++ | 14:32 |
| ajo | ok | 14:32 |
| ajo | after this moment of awesomeness, | 14:32 |
| ajo | #topic slow moving things | 14:32 |
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| ajo | hmmm | 14:32 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:32 |
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| ajo | slaweq_work , you wanted to update on LB integration? | 14:33 |
| ajo | #undo | 14:33 |
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| ajo | #topic LinuxBridge/qos integration | 14:33 |
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| slaweq_work | ajo: for now I'm working more on fullstack tests for linuxbridge | 14:33 |
| slaweq_work | and then I will continue qos for linuxbridge | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_work: I guess we can move bwlimit part to Mitaka-2 | 14:34 |
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| slaweq_work | ihrachys: if You said so :) | 14:34 |
| ajo | yes, also, there's ongoing work to refactor the linux bridge agent, so I guess it makes sense | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | ajo: fullstack does not really care about internal structure of the agent since it runs processes | 14:34 |
| ajo | ihrachys : yes, but implementing qos cares about that :) | 14:35 |
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| slaweq_work | ihrachys: true, but I'm not expert with fullstack tests so far | 14:35 |
| ajo | so it's better not to mess with a moving target :) | 14:35 |
| slaweq_work | and I'm still learning it | 14:35 |
| slaweq_work | I hope that at end of this week I will push something to review :) | 14:35 |
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| ajo | slaweq_work : I recommend you to talk to jschwartz when available if you have questions | 14:35 |
| ajo | or amuller | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: it's better to get in before that other moving target has a chance ;) | 14:36 |
| slaweq_work | yep, I was talking with amuller few times | 14:36 |
| ajo | ihrachys : lol | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_work: cool, I will review once smth reviewable is up | 14:36 |
| ajo | different philosophies :D | 14:36 |
| slaweq_work | k, thx ihrachys | 14:36 |
| ajo | ok, | 14:36 |
| ajo | #topic slow moving topics | 14:36 |
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| ajo | ping sc68cal (for traffic classification later) | 14:37 |
| ajo | first, bandwidth guarantee support, | 14:37 |
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| ajo | I spent quite a bit of time investigating about it, | 14:37 |
| moshele | ajo so for SR-IOV the NIC driver is not ready yet at least for mellanox | 14:38 |
| ajo | in the context of OVS & LB, and a bit on sr-iov | 14:38 |
| ajo | moshele , ack, so the min-bw settings are still on the way, I guess | 14:38 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: is it scheduler thing? | 14:38 |
| slaweq_work | for ovs I think that such thinkgs could be done quite easily with "tc" | 14:38 |
| ajo | ihrachys : technical side on neutron & scheduler thing, yes | 14:38 |
| moshele | ajo yes | 14:38 |
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| slaweq_work | especially when we are using hybrid connection than we can use tc with htb qdisc on those interfaces | 14:39 |
| ajo | On the technical side, it's not possible to manage bandwidth guarantees within a node for OVS solely based on openflow rules, | 14:39 |
| ajo | yes slaweq_work: tc works, I tried that | 14:39 |
| irenab | moshele: any sr-iov nic support min_bm? | 14:39 |
| ajo | but I'm not happy with adding another layer of filtering when openflow rules could do that | 14:39 |
| moshele | irenab: I don't know | 14:39 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: do we want to look into using LB qos driver for OVS agent? :) | 14:40 |
| slaweq_work | for linuxbridge it could be also made with tc but it will only work in one direction as we have only tap interface to apply rules | 14:40 |
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| ajo | TL;DR: the arrangement of our openflow rules doesn't allow to direct traffic flows through specific queues. | 14:40 |
| ajo | slaweq_work: that's not exactly correct :) | 14:40 |
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| ajo | slaweq_work : tc is confusing | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | slaweq_work: what do you need more? we could think of extending agent API for extensions | 14:40 |
| ajo | that was my initial understanding | 14:40 |
| ajo | The issue with bandwidth guarantees | 14:41 |
| slaweq_work | ihrachys: what do I need more for what? | 14:41 |
| ajo | is that you need to build hierarchical queues over a single interface, and then make one queue for every single traffic flow | 14:41 |
| ajo | in our case, the optimal point seems to be the connection between br-int and the external networks, or br-tun | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_work: you mentioned you have 'only' tap device, so you probably miss smth | 14:41 |
| ajo | ihrachys , it's a technical thing with linux kernel, queues, and interfaces | 14:42 |
| ajo | you can only "queue" ingress traffic (to a bridge) | 14:42 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:42 |
| ajo | egress traffic from a bridge | 14:42 |
| slaweq_work | ajo: exactly | 14:42 |
| ajo | I always change the direction :) | 14:42 |
| ajo | but | 14:42 |
| ajo | there's also a requisite to build queues hierarchicahly on a single port | 14:42 |
| ajo | so for example | 14:42 |
| * ihrachys 's head just blew | 14:43 | |
| ajo | if we had the connection from br-int to br-tun | 14:43 |
| ajo | we could create a top queue that indicates the maximum bandwidth of that link | 14:43 |
| ajo | and then another queue under it to handle another flow, | 14:43 |
| ajo | another queue, | 14:43 |
| ajo | etc.. | 14:43 |
| ajo | yes | 14:43 |
| ajo | it's mindblowing | 14:43 |
| ajo | slaweq_work : if we take both sides (br-int to br-tun , and br-tun to br-int) you effectively can control both paths | 14:44 |
| slaweq_work | ajo: good to know that | 14:44 |
| ajo | and you also comply with having the queues as hierarchical | 14:44 |
| ajo | bad part is | 14:44 |
| slaweq_work | for ovs yes | 14:44 |
| ajo | yes, linuxbridge is a different history | 14:44 |
| ajo | we need somebody to look at how to handle that | 14:44 |
| slaweq_work | but I didn't know that it is possible for linuxbridge (where there is no such bridges) | 14:44 |
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| ajo | slaweq_work , probably you need another bridge | 14:44 |
| ajo | and a veth pair | 14:45 |
| ajo | deployed | 14:45 |
| slaweq_work | as I said before: similiar to hybrid connection when You are using ovs bindings | 14:45 |
| ihrachys | ajo: meaning you need to rewire network to enable it? that's kinda against rolling upgrade requirements. | 14:45 |
| ajo | so OVS has it's issues (openflow rule arrangement is not optimal, and we may need to filter traffic again by mac/vlan), | 14:45 |
| ajo | linux bridge has it's issues too | 14:45 |
| ajo | ihrachys , it's not a rolling upgrade in this case, it's installing a new service | 14:45 |
| ajo | ihrachys , in that case operators could take it, or leave it | 14:46 |
| slaweq_work | but still IMHO if we will do it directly with tc then it could be done in same way for both agents | 14:46 |
| ajo | ihrachys : I say it could be an optional thing for LB | 14:46 |
| ajo | slaweq_work , yes, that's the good point of using TC | 14:46 |
| slaweq_work | if there will be another veth-pair for lb | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it's not a new service if you had it enabled before | 14:46 |
| ajo | sharing the implementation | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | ajo: we have it in L | 14:47 |
| ajo | ihrachys , hmm, true, but not for LB | 14:47 |
| ajo | ihrachys , btw, that's only for bandwidth guarantees, may be LB won't be able to support bandwidth guarantees without such configuration change | 14:47 |
| ihrachys | ajo: indeed not for LB. though once we merge slaweq_work's patch, it affects that too | 14:47 |
| ajo | or may be slaweq_work is able to find a workaround around it | 14:48 |
| ajo | :) | 14:48 |
| ajo | I'm not pushing to make this now btw | 14:48 |
| ajo | :) | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | ajo: ok, I need to think it thru | 14:48 |
| ajo | I'm just sharing the facts, and saying: this is not for now, we're not ready :) | 14:48 |
| slaweq_work | me too | 14:48 |
| ajo | I have a half-cooked post about the topic I never finished | 14:48 |
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| ajo | I guess I should finish it, and push the publish button | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | ajo: looking fwd for the post | 14:48 |
| ajo | slaweq_work , ihrachys , will ping you | 14:49 |
| ajo | also | 14:49 |
| * njohnston too | 14:49 | |
| ihrachys | ok should we move? | 14:49 |
| ajo | this technical discussion above ^, is for the in-compute-node bandwidth-guarantees | 14:49 |
| ajo | SR-IOV: no go, OVS: no go , LB: no go (yet) | 14:49 |
| ajo | also, we have the scheduling bits | 14:49 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: it will be a long road for sure | 14:49 |
| ajo | we should collaborate with nova to send information to the scheduler, and influence scheduling decissions | 14:49 |
| ajo | because otherwise there will be ports which cannot be bound because we don't have enough BW | 14:50 |
| ajo | on a compute node | 14:50 |
| ajo | over an specific network | 14:50 |
| ajo | I'm currently working on a spec to keep that scheduler discussion moving | 14:50 |
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| moshele | ajo: let me know if you need help with that | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | ajo++ for taking the burden of working with nova project on that hard bite | 14:51 |
| ajo | and irenab and I, thought that it's probably a good thing to start, at least, collecting on our side, the available klink bandwidth related to each physical network on every compute host/network node | 14:51 |
| ajo | ihrachys : my teeth are hurting :D | 14:51 |
| ajo | moshele , ihrachys , will loop you in the spec | 14:51 |
| irenab | ajo: :-) | 14:51 |
| ajo | I will announce it next meeting | 14:51 |
| ajo | in two weeks ;) | 14:51 |
| ajo | we're tight on time | 14:52 |
| ajo | let's move to next topic | 14:52 |
| ajo | #topic traffic classification | 14:52 |
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| irenab | can we spend few mins on bugs? | 14:52 |
| ajo | I know that work was making progress, but probably to live in a separate library for reuse from other projects | 14:52 |
| ajo | sc68cal was leading that | 14:53 |
| ajo | yep irenab , I think it's a good idea | 14:53 |
| ajo | let's jump on that | 14:53 |
| ajo | #topic Bugs | 14:53 |
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| ajo | We have Update network with New Qos-Policy isn't working with SR-IOV agent - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1504166 | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504166 in neutron "Update network with New Qos-Policy isn't working with SR-IOV agent" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 14:53 |
| ajo | moshele , ihrachys , you were handling it , right? | 14:53 |
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| ihrachys | was I? oh | 14:53 |
| moshele | I will | 14:54 |
| ajo | oh | 14:54 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:54 |
| ajo | Yalei Wang sent a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233499/ | 14:54 |
| ajo | let's make sure we get it reviewed | 14:54 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233499/ | 14:54 |
| moshele | it WIP | 14:54 |
| ajo | theres this one on me: | 14:54 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233499/ | 14:54 |
| ajo | anybody has bandwidth to make those API failures nicer? | 14:55 |
| njohnston | isn't that the same link as you mentioned above re: Yalei Wang? | 14:55 |
| ajo | I'm removing the assignee and letting other volunteers eventually take it | 14:55 |
| ajo | since it's not realistic that I finish that | 14:55 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: link wrong? | 14:55 |
| ajo | oh | 14:55 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:55 |
| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496787 | 14:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496787 in neutron "If qos service_plugin is enabled, but ml2 extension driver is not, api requests attaching policies to ports or nets will fail with an ugly exception" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:55 |
| ajo | we also have this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1486607 | 14:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486607 in neutron "tenants seem like they were able to detach admin enforced QoS policies from ports or networks" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | I see core resource extension manager mentioned... I feel guilt now. | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | totally forgot about that beast | 14:56 |
| ajo | ihrachys , np, I know you're perfectly capable of handling it :) | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | I will probably take that one for now | 14:57 |
| ajo | and it's partly coupled to that objectization of neutron core resources | 14:57 |
| slaweq_work | ajo: I can check https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496787 if it is not problem :) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496787 in neutron "If qos service_plugin is enabled, but ml2 extension driver is not, api requests attaching policies to ports or nets will fail with an ugly exception" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:57 |
| ajo | slaweq_work : thanks a lot, that'd be great | 14:57 |
| slaweq_work | ok | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_work: ok, keep me in the loop, I may have silly ideas about it | 14:57 |
| slaweq_work | great, thx :) | 14:57 |
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| slaweq_work | ihrachys: ok | 14:57 |
| ajo | and we also have this other one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509232 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509232 in neutron "If we update a QoSPolicy description, the agents get notified and rules get rewired for nothing" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Irena Berezovsky (irenab) | 14:58 |
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| irenab | I checked this bug, need some advise regarding the level where to filter the change | 14:58 |
| ajo | it's not of high importance | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | ajo: for 1486607 I believe the best way is adding tenant_id to qos rule models | 14:58 |
| ajo | irenab : probably in the notification driver, | 14:58 |
| ajo | hmmm | 14:58 |
| irenab | ajo: ihrachys : will ping you on the channel to discuss the alternatives | 14:59 |
| ajo | but the notification driver has no idea about what changed probably | 14:59 |
| ajo | irenab , ping me and let's look at it together | 14:59 |
| irenab | ajo: great, thanks | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | ajo: yeah, it does not care. so it belongs to plugin | 14:59 |
| ajo | ihrachys : probably I agree | 14:59 |
| irenab | ihrachys: or to the agent | 14:59 |
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| ajo | ok, next time I probably must make better use of the meeting time :) | 15:00 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 15:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-11-25-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-11-25-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-11-25-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
| moshele | bye | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 15:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| slaweq_work | bye | 15:00 |
| mroderus | o/ | 15:00 |
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| njohnston | thanks all | 15:00 |
| bklei_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hello | 15:00 |
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| bmotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei_ | hola | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:01 |
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| bklei_ | happy turkey day | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm supposed to be off this week, but i failed in that endeavor again | 15:01 |
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| bklei_ | rats | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | so, i haven't really been responding to emails, and not been doing review | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | or writing code | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | but i'm here | 15:02 |
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| mroderus | good to read you again :) | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | so, we might as well get started | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | There is a review at, https://review.openstack.org/244483 | 15:03 |
| witek | thats mine | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i started to take a look at this last week | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | it looks fine to me | 15:03 |
| witek | nice | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | the only reason i haven't merged is test | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | just trying to verify all is good | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i won't get to it this week | 15:04 |
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| witek | ok | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i asked for some help from my team, but obviousely know one else looked at it either | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, sorry | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | the bottlneck is just verification | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | that everything still works | 15:05 |
| witek | i wanted to push log management into monasca-vagrant | 15:05 |
| witek | and it blocks a little | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | unless someone else looks at it, then we'll just have to wait a little longer | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | so the log-api in monasca-vagrant would be another area | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | so, are you blocked on https://review.openstack.org/244483 | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | before you want to proceed adding the logging support? | 15:07 |
| witek | yes, but I want to sync our ansible roles | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | the only other option is to do the merges and hope for the best | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i would prefer not doign that | 15:08 |
| witek | it's fine | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | so, there changes to three ansible roles and then the monasca-vagrant changes | 15:08 |
| witek | that's right | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | are you ok waiting a little longer | 15:08 |
| witek | how little is little? :) | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | epsilon | 15:09 |
| witek | :) | 15:09 |
| witek | it's ok | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll see what i can get done in the background | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | but early next week is what i would target | 15:10 |
| witek | great | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | THen there is, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241626/ | 15:10 |
| bklei_ | that's me | 15:10 |
| bklei_ | it's beautiful, no? | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | so, it all looks ready to go | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | i think it is the same issue | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | test/verification | 15:11 |
| bklei_ | yeah, tests well on my side, but would like others to confirm | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | i think it will be similar situation | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | waiting for more folks to look at it | 15:12 |
| bklei_ | the good news is, if the new code is broken (don't think it is), only affects if you pass the new parms | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | yes, seems like low risk change | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | as in adds new capabilities, but doesn't impact existing functionality | 15:12 |
| bklei_ | yeah | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll probably get to this on monday/tuesday too | 15:13 |
| bklei_ | bueno | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | hoping someone else looks at this too | 15:13 |
| bklei_ | any volunteers? | 15:13 |
| bklei_ | for the influxdb side of the house, java/python, devstack works well to test | 15:14 |
| bklei_ | vertica is a bit more complicated | 15:14 |
| bklei_ | crickets/tumbleweeds | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | ok, next topic | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | Any update on cache fix? | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | i'd look at this, but I am pretty much blocked by other stuff and this is my recent job...exclusively, I was looking at your change by only looking at the code | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks tomasz | 15:15 |
| bklei_ | sure, thx tomasztrebski | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | no chance to do something more for any other change | 15:15 |
| bklei_ | understood, we're all in that boat | 15:15 |
| tomasztrebski | hopefully I see a light in that tunnel and maybe I will get a time to finally do my review-part properly | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | So, I don't have any updates on the cache fix | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | I started writing code last week | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | that's progress | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | but then was basically inundated with impromtu meetings for 3 days that pretty much killed me | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i'm a little concerned now with the remainder of Decmber | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | i didn't take any time off all year | 15:17 |
| bklei_ | yeah, we're doing a datacenter migration, taking 95% of my time instead of wonderful monasca work | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | and now i'm trying to catch-up | 15:17 |
| bklei_ | better keep that wife happy | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | so, my development time is low | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | rigt now | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, i'll probably get to this next week too, but i'm not expecting to complete next week | 15:18 |
| bklei_ | ok, thx for setting expectations | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | Update for pymysql | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | @topic Update for pymysql | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Update for pymysql | 15:19 |
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| witek | we are testing the replacement | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | awesome | 15:19 |
| witek | and it seems to be straight forward | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | is a drop-in replacement? | 15:19 |
| witek | yes | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | implementing was quite fast, our colleague needed..what..2 days, I guess | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | along with some testing he's been doing in parallel with mysql | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | so, we did all this work a few months ago for postgres support and hibernate | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | are we goign to need to do somethign similar for the monasca-api | 15:21 |
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| witek | we would like to | 15:21 |
| tomasztrebski | that's another brick actually, completely seperate...we agreed to provide pymysql as replacement so that's the first task to complete | 15:21 |
| tomasztrebski | doing hibernate-like stuff and postgres would be next step | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i see | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | so, possibly adding support for sqlalchemy in the python monasca-api | 15:22 |
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| tomasztrebski | that's what we have in mind | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | i think everything else is covered | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | python monasca-notification was already converted/added | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | monasca-persister doesn't use mysql | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | all the java code was converted | 15:23 |
| witek | monasca-common | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | oh yeah | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | that too | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | so i don't see any problems objections to pymysql | 15:24 |
| witek | cool, we'll push the change to review | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | #topic How does tempest know URL of monasca api ? | 15:25 |
| witek | we also started working on sqlalchemy | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | thank witek | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | changed topics a bit soon | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | Not sure who asked the question about the Tempest tests | 15:26 |
| witek | i'm finished :) | 15:26 |
| tomasztrebski | yeah, so that's a question from me...basically I am trying to port log-api tempests to be with the project, and apart from normal issues with first try of new framework | 15:27 |
| tomasztrebski | i am a little bit puzzled, where's the information where to look monasca-api server written ? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | so, the monasca-api registers with keystone | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | there is a file called, ./etc/tempest.conf | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | that has the endpoint information and credentials | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | for keystone | 15:28 |
| tomasztrebski | yes, I am looking at it right now | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | Have you seen the directions at, https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/tree/master/monasca_tempest_tests | 15:29 |
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| tomasztrebski | and there is services available configuration property in file...config.py, isn't ? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | hmm, i don't know anything about config.py | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | yeah, I am basically trying to follow up your setup, because it works | 15:29 |
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| tomasztrebski | https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/monasca_tempest_tests/config.py#L21 | 15:30 |
| tomasztrebski | I am talking about that | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | that looks familiar now, i think i wrote that | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | so, for the log api there would be a similar skeleton | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | one possiblity is to create monasca_log_tempest tests in the monasca-log-api repo | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | and then copy/past the code and modify | 15:32 |
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| tomasztrebski | ok, that clears things a bit, guess I need to understand that to make it work, but I will follow up your suggestion, seems actually so good that I am astonished that I didn't think of it before | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | :/ | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, in case of any problems I will probably ask over mail or something like that | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | I dont want to spent too much time over this topic | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | well, i think it makes sense to have the log api with it's own tempest tests | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | thanks for your help | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | the other option is to add to the monasca-api directly | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | it makes perfect sense that's why I am trying to embrace that stuff ;) | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | but, then we start mixing things together | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | but that does not seem right, after all it was decided some time ago to keep those API seperate | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | and for me it was good decision | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | ok, well, let me know if you run into any problems | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not an expert | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | I hope not, but thx ;) | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | but i did do the original work in that area so might know a little more | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i heavaily modeled on manila as they seemed to have a really good model | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | ok, next topi | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Summit videos + slides on Wiki page | 15:36 |
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| mroderus | that's mine | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | Sounds like a great idea | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | someone was wasking me about that yesterday | 15:36 |
| mroderus | I was just wondering if we should add the video links and pdfs on the wiki page | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i agree | 15:36 |
| mroderus | do I have permissions to do that? | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | you should | 15:36 |
| mroderus | ok, so I'll put my stuff online | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know what the permissions on wiki pages are | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | i think anyone can modify | 15:37 |
| mroderus | I'll try. If I run into problems I'll ask by email | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 15:37 |
| mroderus | Fabio is not here today, right? So I'll ping him by email so he also uploads his presentation | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | correct, no fabio | 15:38 |
| mroderus | that's all from me | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226733/ | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz i'm guessing you want a +2 | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i see deklan +2'd yesterday | 15:39 |
| tomasztrebski | yeap, again me...I hope that now that should be finished and it should have higher chance of acceptance | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i'll take a quick look and +2 unless i see anything | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | i'm assuming deklan tested well | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | well, I'd love that +2, however to be fair, I dont know what to think about new gate for tempests, that's another reason why I wanted to bring this topic | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:41 |
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| tomasztrebski | I assume that gate is experimental, so failure there should not be a reason to worry ? | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | uhhh, the gates are marked as experimental | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | but, we are closing in on 100% passing | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | right now, the last i checked, there were only 5 tests failing | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | as of last night | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | this is against the python api | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | the java api should be completley passing | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, so please review that and in case of unclear parts just leave a comment | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | let's hope it does | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | ahhh, yes i see at the bottom of the review the failure | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | everyone is getting that right now | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | so, that isn't a problem | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | unless all of a sudden something was failing that was passing previousel | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | it would be difficult for you to know that right now | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | pretty soon, we should be at 100% | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | then we will change from experimental to checks, but not voting i beleive | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | then it will be clearer | 15:44 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, I will prepare some fireworks | 15:44 |
| tomasztrebski | :) | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | so, no cause to panic | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | ok, moving on | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Quota status | 15:45 |
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| mroderus | That's me again. I remember we had some discussions about quotas in Monasca some weeks ago. It was brought up by bklei_ . I was just curious if there have been any actions around this topic during the last weeks | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | There haven't been any actions | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | We should possibly get a blueprint to work on this | 15:46 |
| bklei_ | i'd love to see that topic move fwd | 15:46 |
| mroderus | ok thanks. May be that this will become a topic at Fujitsu as well in the next months | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | Yes, it is important for doing tru monitoring as a service | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | on public cloud endpoints | 15:47 |
| bklei_ | if you start a blueprint mroderus, i'll help add my thoughts | 15:47 |
| mroderus | right. I think that's a fundamental requirement for a monitoring cloud service | 15:47 |
| bklei_ | from our perspective, one quota we'd like to see is data retention period (per project) | 15:48 |
| mroderus | ok bklei_ . I'll ping you as soon as we start working on this | 15:48 |
| bklei_ | great | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | we might need to get started on that soon too | 15:48 |
| mroderus | bklei_: so you mean a maximum time the data is stored, right? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | we had some requests around this recently | 15:48 |
| bklei_ | right -- per project is what we need | 15:49 |
| bklei_ | (keystone project/tenant) | 15:49 |
| mroderus | have you also discussed volume-based quotas? | 15:49 |
| bklei_ | even if the API just tracked what it is, we could just consume that and do what we will with it for starts | 15:49 |
| mroderus | such as number of metrics or megabytes | 15:49 |
| bklei_ | i'm just thinking time | 15:50 |
| bklei_ | we'll probably default to 6 weeks or something | 15:50 |
| bklei_ | could be fancier, but that'd get us started | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | we also need quotas on number of alarms | 15:50 |
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| bklei_ | yeah, that could spiral | 15:50 |
| mroderus | rhochmuth: right | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | and in addition to time/retention period on metrics, probably the number of metrics too | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | number of notification methods, … | 15:51 |
| mroderus | I'm just worrying that time/project may not be enought. A project may have an infinite number of agents sending at an arbitrary fine resolution | 15:51 |
| mroderus | (theoretically) | 15:51 |
| bklei_ | custom metrics i'd assume, ignoring libvirt? | 15:51 |
| bklei_ | we already have quota mgmt for # of instances | 15:52 |
| mroderus | ok | 15:52 |
| mroderus | is that already in Monasca? | 15:52 |
| bklei_ | it's in nova | 15:52 |
| bklei_ | nova quota-show | 15:53 |
| bklei_ | or something like that | 15:53 |
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| bklei_ | i'm just saying, since openstack already has a mechanism for capping # of instances, we shouldn't cap the default libvirt metrics | 15:53 |
| mroderus | ah, ok.. so that quota is for the provisioned VMs. But apart from this, a user can additionally install agents and post metrics to the API. Is that considered as well? | 15:54 |
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| bklei_ | exactly, if we add quotas for # of metrics, should likely be 'custom' metrics they POST, not the default metrics | 15:54 |
| mroderus | right, makes sense | 15:54 |
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| bklei_ | thx for working on this mroderus | 15:55 |
| mroderus | bklei_: thanks back to you | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | i just wanted to point out that we have a blueprint | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-count-resource | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca/UI_UX_Support#Alarm_Counts_Resource | 15:56 |
| mroderus | cool | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | we had a number of requests from our UI team | 15:56 |
| bklei_ | cool | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | to to server side filtering, sorting/ordering, and return summaries for alarms | 15:56 |
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| rhochmuth | this blueprint is from the summary of counts of alarms | 15:56 |
| bklei_ | nice, would like to see that ui | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | the ui is in helion | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | called opsconsole | 15:57 |
| bklei_ | i know :) | 15:57 |
| bklei_ | rbak is our UI team :) | 15:57 |
| rbak | thanks | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | the general idea for alarms counts resource to ti return the total alarms, and alarms in various states of ALARM, ACKNOWLEDGED, … | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | so, it would be good to take a look at that | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | we're also going to have blueprints for ordering/storing better | 15:58 |
| bklei_ | gonna be a busy 2016 | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | i believe fujitsu had a bluepring for ordering/sotring too, so we might end-up adding to yours | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, just wanted to point out that we've started on this | 15:59 |
| mroderus | uh.. honestly speaking I'm not aware of anything. But that doesn't mean much :) | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | rbrandt is the engineeer working on that | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | ok, looks like we are done | 15:59 |
| tomasztrebski | yeah, that blueprint you're talking about was done some time ago | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | ;) | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | need to end the meeting folks | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | see you next week | 16:00 |
| mroderus | ok.. bye! | 16:00 |
| bklei_ | bye | 16:00 |
| witek | thanx, bye | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | bye | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 16:00:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-11-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting HorizonDrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 25 20:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HorizonDrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
| mrunge | o/ | 20:00 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | Is it already thanksgiving day in us? | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | looking at the rest of the meeting rooms seems like everyone cancelled meetings today | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | maybe I should have done that too | 20:02 |
| tsufiev | :) shortest meeting ever | 20:02 |
| mrunge | maybe yeah | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | do either of you have anything to discuss that we didn't hit this morning? | 20:03 |
| mrunge | maybe quite quickly: did we decide about mid-cycle yet? | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | I don't have it pinned down | 20:03 |
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| mrunge | ok | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | I can post a poll an narrow down dates | 20:04 |
| mrunge | that'd be helpful, yes | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | alright | 20:04 |
| mrunge | or if we could narrow locations down? | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle post midcycle poll | 20:04 |
| mrunge | that'd be helpful for getting esta done | 20:05 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | ok dates and locations in the poll | 20:05 |
| mrunge | right, thank you | 20:05 |
| mrunge | well, if we don't have a location outside US, I'll have to do ESTA anyways | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | any thing else to discuss? | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | nope | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | ok, I'll call it. Sorry for the false alarm | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | next week we won't have drivers meeting, only horizon meeting at 2000 | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | will send email to list about that too | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Oh okay | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Will drivers meating cease? | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | meeting* | 20:10 |
| mrunge | ok, thank you david-lyle | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | isn't that what we decided last time? | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | Are we going to cancel 12:00 times lot? | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | only drivers at 2000 alternating weeks? | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Ah cool sorry I misunderstood | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | or is my lack of short/mid/long term memory showing | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | No, I remember that | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | I'm fine with that | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:11 |
| mrunge | yeah | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | thanks again robcresswell for organizing the bug day | 20:11 |
| mrunge | yes! robcresswell that was really helpful | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | No problem. I'm thinking about another post-christmas. | 20:12 |
| mrunge | yes please! | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: let's do it once a month | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: that would be great | 20:12 |
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| robcresswell | tsufiev: Something around that time scale would be nice | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | every 4-6 weeks, working around holidays, summits etc. | 20:13 |
| mrunge | oh, btw, when setting a bug invalid, please remove assignee as well | 20:13 |
| mrunge | otherwise tickets won't get removed | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Oh, sure thing. | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | oh, didn't know that | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | other thing, I forgot tags for a while | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | I added i18n and low-hanging-fruit to a few | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | low-hanging-fruit bugs get picked up in minutes, two of them already have patches up. | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | there is a topology-view tag | 20:14 |
| mrunge | when a bug will get removed, you'll see a note on the top: "This bug will be removed in 60 days (see why)" | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | which I assigned a couple to | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Thats useful. I'll look into those. | 20:14 |
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| * david-lyle didn't realize we had so many tags | 20:14 | |
| robcresswell | Whats the horizon-core tag for? | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: horizon library? | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | core table dashboard tabs panel action code | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | We have a few tags that could be dropped, like icehouse/juno backport | 20:15 |
| mrunge | I think that was used to tag something for horizon part | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Ah, I see | 20:15 |
| mrunge | unlike dashboard part | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | yes what the other said | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | *others | 20:15 |
| mrunge | ah yes, I think we can drop those version tags, no? | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I think we should rename this meeting to EU-and-david, too. | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | :p | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | want to clean those up now? | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | Do you that there is a special UI in launchpad for managing tags? | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | accessibility 2 tag? | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | *know | 20:16 |
| mrunge | angular tag? | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | tsufiev: Yes, there's an "edit official tags" button | 20:17 |
| mrunge | django tag | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | ah the 2 is number | 20:17 |
| * tsufiev found it week ago | 20:17 | |
| david-lyle | django 1.7 is going | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | liberty-rc-potential can go | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | swift... just assign those all to r1chardj0n3s and neillc | 20:18 |
| tsufiev | Haha | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | ok purged a couple tags | 20:18 |
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| tsufiev | Not convenient, others may want to filter just swift bugs | 20:18 |
| tsufiev | And only richard's | 20:19 |
| tsufiev | *not | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | So... blueprints? | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I guess we have quorum if people are interested | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: without you we were going to quit :P | 20:20 |
| mrunge | yupp | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | Quit? Pfft | 20:21 |
| mrunge | or move to somewhere else? | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | Heh, I feel bad now since its mainly EU folk and must be 9pm+ for mrunge anf tsufiev | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | Perhaps we should call it :) | 20:22 |
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| mrunge | hahaha | 20:23 |
| mrunge | let's drop at least one blueprint | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | all 5 of the latest bps are prioritized | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: do you suggest end the meeting? I agree that it'd be better to postpone bp stuff until US folks join | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Well, this is their tz | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Cant' force them to join the meeting, but they should be here. | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | likely travel day in the UX | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | *US | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Ohhh | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | I forget because I don't travel for holidays | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Makes sense | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | Btw, we're making good progress so far with keystone ldap users and horizon | 20:25 |
| mrunge | you mean, with pagination? | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | Orly? I had thought that effort had died | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | filtering? | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | Hehe | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: filtering + limits | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | excellent | 20:25 |
| mrunge | great, yes! | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | Was this the suggestion with a blank table, that requires a filter? and that for results over 500 (?) we ask for a better filter | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | and less than 500 we can just show them all anyway, or something. | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I think I killed a bug semi-related that you may have been tied to tsufiev | 20:26 |
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| tsufiev | My colleague is working on that internally, he says that Keystone seems to work fine with leap limits, now it's time to fix horizon | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | LDAP limits | 20:26 |
| mrunge | interesting | 20:27 |
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| tsufiev | This autoreplacement is killing me | 20:27 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle: what is the bug? | 20:27 |
| * david-lyle was afraid you'd ask | 20:28 | |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | :) | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | will have to dig | 20:28 |
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| tsufiev | Ok, if I haven't noticed so far, it must have been unimportant :) | 20:29 |
| mrunge | users will report again | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | Btw, at the summit we discussed removing admin overview, and changing how admin panels show data | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1496045 | 20:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496045 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Horizon cannot display >1.5K users from LDAP" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure the bug is invalid, but the targeted approach was wrong | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | which is what I put in my comment | 20:31 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: no worries, I would do the same | 20:31 |
| tsufiev | We still have a bp, it's unapproved though... Should check the the details again | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | link that | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | if it's ready for review | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | No, I think it' snot | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | Will do it at next meeting | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | killed two lbaas v2 bps | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/lbaas-v2-panel marked obsolete | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/lbaas-v2-api marked obsolete | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | all in a plugin now | 20:35 |
| mrunge | did we remove trove now? | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: not yet | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | I have patches for sahara started, trove would go next | 20:35 |
| mrunge | there are lots of trove related blueprints | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | once the pattern is better established | 20:36 |
| mrunge | agreed | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | I have a few things to work out on sahara | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | even more involved than I thought | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | a plugin tutorial is going to be huge if we document all the pieces | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | which is why I'm having difficulty churning such a thing out | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | Doc all the pieces? As in, setting up a plugin? Or writing the content? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | writing about testing and apis and integration testing and localization and structure | 20:38 |
| mrunge | ugh, reminds me to document how to package a plugin | 20:38 |
| tsufiev | I could take the integration testing docs part | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Is a lot of that not covered by existing docs? | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Or *should* be covered | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | I think | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | A lot of that doesnt seem like it would be horizon-plugin-specific | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | that the basics should be covered | 20:39 |
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| tsufiev | Since I'm going to sort it out for Sahara | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | the rest is going to be by example in existing plugins | 20:40 |
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| * tsufiev suggest to delegate different parts to different people | 20:41 | |
| david-lyle | yeah, I think basics first | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | fill in more later | 20:41 |
| mrunge | spread the load, yes | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | updating thai's patch some, then we can build off that | 20:42 |
| mrunge | but, my experience with packaging docs was: spreading to much doesn't work well | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | At some point we'll have to think about properly organising all the doc content thats been added in the past ~6 months | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: yes, there are a bunch of bits and no flow now | 20:43 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, I'd say: organize/rework all docs | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | could use a major overhaul | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I've been more concerned with having content written first, then move it around later. | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | yes, something is better than none | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | coherent is better than some | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | At least now, Horizon folk can drop a link for people. Ideally, they'd find the links themselves :) | 20:43 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: agreed | 20:44 |
| mrunge | what about this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/widget-based-views | 20:45 |
| mrunge | I think that's obsolete now | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: this is done no? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/drop-dj17 | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Not entirely. Still got deprecation messages | 20:45 |
| tsufiev | mrunge: I'd say superseded with ng work | 20:46 |
| mrunge | yupp, and with david-lyle s plugins config for panels | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | I think that was a request for the overview pages | 20:47 |
| mrunge | nevertheless, there's not much new in | 20:47 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: I remember there was UX discussion about customizable overview, with tiled widgets | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | I think more concrete bps should be used than this one | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | My internet went a little odd there. | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | this is really just a place holder in the older style of bp | 20:48 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | I'd vote for culling this particular bp | 20:48 |
| mrunge | +1 | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | +1 | 20:49 |
| tsufiev | + | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/widget-based-views marked superseded | 20:50 |
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| mrunge | another superseded: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/faceted-search | 20:51 |
| mrunge | in the light of searchlight | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-designate marked superseded | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: or magic search | 20:52 |
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| mrunge | yupp, both | 20:52 |
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| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/faceted-search marked superseded | 20:53 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-mobile-design | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | I think that's superseded by hurgleburgler's work | 20:54 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:55 |
| mrunge | or even not applicable | 20:55 |
| mrunge | ah, reading again, just superseded | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-mobile-design marked superseded | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | woop | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improve-session-timout | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | seems obsolete since we removed that check | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | ergo, improved :) | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | well the bp is different I guess reading | 20:57 |
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| david-lyle | that is something we won't fix | 20:58 |
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| tsufiev | I think horizon shouldn't actively logout | 20:58 |
| tsufiev | It's bad for a web app to be too smart :) | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | nope, if it's a concern, your OS will auto lock screens | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | that's not the web apps job | 20:59 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 20:59 |
| mrunge | +1 | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Good meeting contribution | 20:59 |
| robcresswell | :p | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-P | 20:59 |
| tsufiev | lol) | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just woke up :-P | 20:59 |
| mrunge | another obsolete bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/show-all-floating-ips | 20:59 |
| mrunge | there seem to be at least 3 bps with the same scope | 21:00 |
| mrunge | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/show-all-floating-ips obsolete | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/improve-session-timout marked obsolete | 21:00 |
| mrunge | the other one was opened by me, I won't complain here | 21:01 |
| tsufiev | mrunge: do you think that floatings need to be moved to network panel? | 21:01 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, the story with that is a bit different | 21:02 |
| mrunge | but let's move to horizon channel | 21:02 |
| mrunge | or discuss tomorrow | 21:02 |
| mrunge | I mean, time is up here | 21:02 |
| tsufiev | mrunge: ok, better leave this for tomorrow | 21:02 |
| tsufiev | end meeting? | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone. 208 bps | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | getting better | 21:03 |
| mrunge | thank you all | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 25 21:03:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-25-20.00.html | 21:03 |
| robcresswell | thanks everyone :) | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-25-20.00.txt | 21:03 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-11-25-20.00.log.html | 21:03 |
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| tsufiev | Thanks and bye | 21:04 |
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