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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 16:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:01 |
| jklare | hi | 16:01 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:01 |
| calbers | hi | 16:01 |
| markvan | howdy | 16:01 |
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| jklare | any topics from you guys for today? | 16:02 |
| sc` | i think the burning topic is branching stable/liberty. afaik, all needed patches are in | 16:02 |
| jklare | ok, then lets start with this one | 16:04 |
| jklare | #topic branching stable/liberty | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "branching stable/liberty (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:04 | |
| jklare | so, centos is working? | 16:05 |
| sc` | yes. markvan found a needed change to the server-apache recipe that got centos going | 16:05 |
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| sc` | that's already been merged and validated | 16:06 |
| jklare | i ran into some issues with the latest patch for the openstack-chef-repo regarding the array of possible interfaces, since it exploded with an error while trying to .lowercase the array | 16:06 |
| jklare | has anybody else seen that? | 16:06 |
| markvan | humm. no, I've been using it without issues... vagrant 1.7.4 | 16:07 |
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| sc` | i have not. running an aio build right now | 16:07 |
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| jklare | ok, maybe that was related to the vagrant version i was using | 16:08 |
| sc` | also vagrant 1.7.4 here | 16:08 |
| jklare | i will check that, just wanted to see if anybody else saw this one | 16:08 |
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| jklare | so lets branch stable/liberty then | 16:09 |
| jklare | i tried to figure out the exact process to do this | 16:09 |
| jklare | since there were a lot of mails regarding this topic in the last time | 16:10 |
| jklare | still not sure about it | 16:10 |
| jklare | biggest question for me are the permissions right now | 16:10 |
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| jklare | who has the permissions to branch our repos? | 16:10 |
| sc` | who did it last time? | 16:10 |
| markvan | we have a wiki page for the basic's https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenstackChefStablebranchCreateNotes | 16:10 |
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| markvan | I think project owners need to handle the branching, jj did the initial branch work | 16:12 |
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| jklare | ok, i will ping him later about this | 16:13 |
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| jklare | so i can start the branching today if there are no objections? | 16:13 |
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| sc` | sounds good to me | 16:14 |
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| markvan | but I think the branching is done from within gerrit, here: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/cookbook-openstack-bare-metal,branches looks like all the cores can do it. | 16:14 |
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| jklare | looks good | 16:14 |
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| markvan | then after branching, some patches are needed on both sides, stable and master. | 16:15 |
| sc` | i found something that i'll get in a bug: trove cookbook doesn't have good test coverage (only suse tests) | 16:15 |
| jklare | not sure if we should go for a better suse coverage without anybody from suse support the project ;) | 16:16 |
| jklare | #action jklare branch all our repos for stable/liberty | 16:17 |
| sc` | yeah. someone from suse helping drive support there would be great | 16:18 |
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| jklare | sc` i think that leads into our next topic | 16:18 |
| jklare | #topic refactoring our cookbooks (step by step) | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refactoring our cookbooks (step by step) (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:19 | |
| jklare | since we have already talked about this multiple times, i will just jump into the actual work here | 16:19 |
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| jklare | at the summit we discussed, that we want to get this started directly after the stable/liberty branch is done and that it is ok/needed to break the master with the related patches during refactoring | 16:20 |
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| jklare | i thought a lot about how to properly do this to make it reviewable | 16:21 |
| j^2 | hey i’m here now | 16:21 |
| jklare | imo we should try to break it down into 5 steps and push each step with a new patchset but only have one commit per cookbook in the end for the first cleanup step | 16:22 |
| jklare | 1) remove all unneeded attributes from the attributes file and template | 16:22 |
| jklare | 2) move all specific attributes either to documentation or a specific recipe | 16:22 |
| jklare | 3) cleanup the rest of the attributes by replacing the template with the new template logic and adapt the recipe where the template ressource is called | 16:23 |
| jklare | 4) adapt the specs (unit tests) to work again | 16:23 |
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| jklare | 5) wait for the other cookbooks to get finished with the same steps to make proper integration testing possible again | 16:24 |
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| jklare | if we hit step 5 for all cookbooks, we should be able to make all the small adaptions to all cookbooks to get a full stack up and running again before we actually merge anything | 16:25 |
| j^2 | seems reasonable | 16:25 |
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| j^2 | RE: i found something that i'll get in a bug: trove cookbook doesn't have good test coverage (only suse tests) | 16:29 |
| j^2 | jklare, didn’t we have a discussion about dropping SUSE | 16:29 |
| sc` | i know it's not officially called out as supported on the wiki, only ubuntu 14.04 and centos 7.1 | 16:30 |
| jklare | yeah, that is the next thing i wanted to discuss here if everybody is fine with the plan for our refactoring commits | 16:30 |
| markvan | jklare: sounds like a resaonable approach, probbaly need to track in the commit msg what step each cookbook is on to make it easy to track | 16:30 |
| jklare | markvan yeah, or as a comment or something | 16:30 |
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| jklare | but the commit message might be better since its easy to see in the gerrit overview | 16:31 |
| jklare | so any comments or thoughts about dropping old code (like the vmware attributes or suse support) that has not been adapted in the last year | 16:32 |
| jklare | ? | 16:33 |
| j^2 | DO IT | 16:33 |
| j^2 | that’s my comment | 16:33 |
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| sc` | echoing j^2 | 16:33 |
| sc` | if it hasn't been touched in the past year, nobody cares | 16:33 |
| sc` | and if somebody does care, they can submit a review to add it back | 16:34 |
| j^2 | agreed | 16:34 |
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| sc` | that said, i wonder how many of our cookbook consumers are actually on icehouse/juno | 16:34 |
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| jklare | i am :D | 16:35 |
| jklare | with all production setups ;) | 16:35 |
| sc` | yup. same here | 16:35 |
| markvan | we are actually on liberty...but have wrappered most of the cookbooks for our needs | 16:36 |
| jklare | ok, if there are no big objections against dropping the code here, i will warp this meeting and our decisions later i a short mail to the mailing list to get people informed | 16:37 |
| jklare | s/warp/wrap/ | 16:38 |
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| j^2 | sounds perfect | 16:39 |
| markvan | another topic related to this refactor and branching... | 16:39 |
| markvan | what are the plans for moving tools/platforms forward? | 16:40 |
| markvan | I think we're good on the ChefDK for now, but what about U 15.x? tackle that after the refatoring? | 16:40 |
| j^2 | ubuntu? | 16:40 |
| j^2 | no no no no no no no | 16:40 |
| j^2 | only “LTS” versions | 16:41 |
| markvan | ok, then we should add some doc around our version table in regards to that | 16:41 |
| jklare | i think we can look into 15.x after the refactoring in the form of a wrapper recipe or something similar | 16:41 |
| j^2 | god i don’t want to even think of that moving target | 16:41 |
| j^2 | and 16.04 isn’t that far away | 16:42 |
| sc` | openstack-model-t could fill that gap :x | 16:42 |
| j^2 | when our community grows then we can look at the non-LTS supports | 16:42 |
| j^2 | sc`: actually, that’s not a horrible idea | 16:42 |
| jklare | our goal for now is 14.04 with refactored cookbooks and liberty i think | 16:42 |
| jklare | and as soon as there are mitaka packages its 14.04 with refactored cookbooks and mitaka | 16:43 |
| jklare | then we can release refactores/stable/mitake | 16:43 |
| jklare | and look into 16.04 mitaka support | 16:43 |
| markvan | sure, good summary | 16:43 |
| jklare | i think the main blocker for 14.04 mitaka might be the ubuntu packages | 16:44 |
| sc` | yeah. i think for now just targeting LTS releases of ubuntu is going to be the best way forward | 16:44 |
| j^2 | agreed | 16:44 |
| jklare | but we will see | 16:44 |
| sc` | until we get more active contributors :D | 16:44 |
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| j^2 | and with the work we’re doing and the salesmanship we should start doing we should see our community grow soon | 16:44 |
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| jklare | we have one new guy from my team here today :) | 16:45 |
| calbers | o/ | 16:45 |
| j^2 | hi! | 16:45 |
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| sc` | hi! | 16:47 |
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| markvan | welcome calbers | 16:47 |
| calbers | i'll get the refactoring of the cookbooks started soon :) | 16:48 |
| jklare | sounds good | 16:49 |
| markvan | jklare: just to clarify, get the branch done, but skip step 4 for the new master branch https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenstackChefStablebranchCreateNotes to stick with liberty packages | 16:49 |
| jklare | markvan ok | 16:50 |
| jklare | more topics for today? we have 10min left | 16:50 |
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| j^2 | the tl;dr on stable/liberty? | 16:50 |
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| j^2 | we stamping this week? | 16:51 |
| j^2 | <— to lazy to scroll | 16:51 |
| jklare | j^2 i have an action item to branch today | 16:51 |
| jklare | or asap ;) | 16:51 |
| j^2 | nice, you’ll take care of it? | 16:51 |
| jklare | j^2 thats something i wanted to talk to you about | 16:51 |
| j^2 | cool, we can take it offline | 16:51 |
| jklare | j^2 we can have a quick zoom session after this one if you can spare some minutes? | 16:52 |
| j^2 | sure | 16:52 |
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| jklare | ok, if there are no more topics, thanks for attending and see you around in the channel or next week on monday :) | 16:52 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 16:52:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-09-16.01.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-09-16.01.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-11-09-16.01.log.html | 16:52 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair jroll | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 17:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam jroll | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ everyone | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| liliars | o/ | 17:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | morning all | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
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| thrash | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev22 | hi | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | jroll said he may be a few minutes late | 17:00 |
| cinerama | o/ | 17:01 |
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| trown | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | seems we just did that | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| * jlvillal waves from San Antonio | 17:01 | |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all to the ironic meeting | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | hope everyone had safe travels back from tokyo | 17:02 |
| wanyen | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | Shall we jump in to the fire | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | Posted on Whiteboard | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:03 |
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| NobodyCam | any one with status updates for today? | 17:04 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam: looks like folks are updating as we stare :) | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | I also may be slow do to unshakeable jetjeg | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | lag even | 17:05 |
| rloo | nice to see testing picking up steam! | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | woot! | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | also I was going to share the proitories review link. but I seem to have miss placed it | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | thanks for the CI spec reviews, I'll have a new revision today and incorporate everyones comments | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | here is the priorities link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241223/ | 17:08 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | Ahh thank you rloo, lucasagomes and krtaylor | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:09 |
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| rloo | do we want subteam reports for each of those priorities? | 17:09 |
| * jlvillal thinks that would probably be a good idea for the future. | 17:10 | |
| devananda | rloo: as the cycle progresses, I think that would be good | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good indeed | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | I thibk it may be worth at least a line item on the whiteboard so folks can easly track the progress but not sure we need to spend a lot of time in the meetings unless there are things to discuss / go over | 17:10 |
| rloo | I'll add subteams for those to the etherpad after this meeting | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you rloo | 17:11 |
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| NobodyCam | at thing (else) from any of the subteams | 17:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what is 'RFE'? | 17:13 |
| sambetts | rloo: Request for Enhancement | 17:13 |
| rloo | sambetts: thx. I was thinking it was some Fulltime Engineer or something :) | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, oh, you scared me at first :D actually this note was written by Sam | 17:14 |
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| rloo | I'm good to move onto the next meeting item :) | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | okay looks like we have a couple item inthe discussion section so | 17:15 |
| jroll | hey, sorry I'm late | 17:15 |
| * jroll catches up | 17:15 | |
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| NobodyCam | hey hey jroll just thru the subteam reports | 17:15 |
| * NobodyCam hands control pver to jroll | 17:16 | |
| jroll | so subteam reports are done? | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | yep / or being updated on the pad | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | yeah seems so, in the etherpad | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: well, you might have something to add? | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Unless you want to walk through them. | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: neutron/ironic work. patches up for review? :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | yes, those have been up for review, a couple small issues | 17:17 |
| yuriyz | i have some questions about in the gerrit, wait for answers for anyone | 17:18 |
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| jroll | yuriyz: on neutron? | 17:18 |
| yuriyz | Ironic net isolation support | 17:18 |
| jroll | ok, yeah we'll answer in the review | 17:19 |
| yuriyz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139687/ | 17:19 |
| yuriyz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213262/ | 17:19 |
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| jroll | alright, let's move on then if nobody has more subteam things | 17:19 |
| jroll | #topic Do we need to have a midcycle? | 17:20 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Do we need to have a midcycle? (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:20 | |
| jroll | so, a few projects (glance/ceilometer/more?) are skipping the midcycle this cycle | 17:20 |
| jroll | for a variety of reasons | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | that's a hard on, I like to think about midcycles as a place to hack on code | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | if we have something big to hack on, it would be good to have one yes | 17:20 |
| jroll | and I wanted to ask folks if we think we should have one, based on the fact we have clear priorities and not everyone will make it anyway | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | I'd like to see you all again asap, but probably midcycle is not really needed... | 17:21 |
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| krtaylor | neutron has skipped a midcycle also, was thinking it would be good to have at same time with them | 17:21 |
| jroll | I think the midcycle is super valuable from a see-people-in-person perspective, otherwise I'm pretty indifferent | 17:21 |
| jroll | please throw all of your thoughts at me - if we decide to have one, I'll plan it ASAP otherwise happy hacking :D | 17:21 |
| rloo | much as I like you all, I'm fine seeing you every 6 months :) | 17:22 |
| sambetts | I think small team virtual hack sessions would be a cool thing to have, using hangouts or something | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | I like having a mid-cycle. Hard to beat in-person interaction. | 17:22 |
| devananda | ++ to seeing everyone and maintaining those connections four times a year instead of just twice a year, and ++ when we need to decide on plans or architecture, which I don't think we need this cycle as much as last cycle | 17:22 |
| mgould | where would it be, physically? | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | i good chunch of what we have out standing is actually from last cycle, might be good to have a meetup to keep things on track | 17:22 |
| jroll | if we do have one, it will likely be US based on the feedback I've seen | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | wherever we find a venue, I guess | 17:22 |
| * mgould would like to meet you all, but hates travelling | 17:23 | |
| krtaylor | if not, maybe a couple vsprints -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, ++ I would love to try some virtual hack session | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | and how may folks could / would attend? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | USA is unlikely for me for a usual reason | 17:23 |
| vdrok | I'd like to meet everyone in person but not sure I'll attend | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, meeting vdrok would be a serious reason :) | 17:24 |
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| jroll | I like the idea of virtual sprints as well | 17:24 |
| sambetts | the US is not as hard for me as dtantsur, but its still a long way to travel and then deal with the after effects | 17:24 |
| devananda | what about coordinated regional meetups? | 17:24 |
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| jroll | devananda: how did that work out when we did a split midcycle? :) | 17:25 |
| devananda | it requires more planning than I have had bandwidth to do in the past, but other projects have had some success in the past with it as they grew | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I would try something like that | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | the only problem is timezones | 17:25 |
| devananda | jroll: I didn't intend to do a split midcycle last winter | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah sounds like something worth trying indeed | 17:25 |
| devananda | jroll: also they were not overlapping | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | having them at the same time instead of one after the other may be better | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ya | 17:26 |
| devananda | if we located a meetup in western EU and eastern US on overlapping days, there would be a few hours each day for video conferencing | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | That sounds interesting :) | 17:27 |
| devananda | not saying I think we need that -- but it is an option we haven't tried before | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | that may work | 17:27 |
| sambetts | I'm interested | 17:27 |
| jroll | okay, would folks like me to continue investigating that? | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | are there locations that could work for that? | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | so we have some options: 1) normal midcycle, 2) virtual sprint, 3) splitted midcycle. Perhaps we should continue on the ML ? | 17:29 |
| jroll | lucasagomes++ | 17:29 |
| rloo | 4) no midcycle | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | +1 from me to continue investigating. As I like the idea of a mid-cycle | 17:29 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, or no midcycle | 17:29 |
| vdrok | when is it gonna be, approximately? | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | January? | 17:29 |
| vdrok | if it will be | 17:29 |
| jroll | likely late january - early february, I think | 17:29 |
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| jroll | preferably on the earlier end | 17:30 |
| * dtantsur tries to remember when FOSDEM is | 17:30 | |
| lucasagomes | early february ++ | 17:30 |
| jroll | dtantsur: jan 29-30 iirc | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | something like that | 17:30 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: would you be able to lay out the options on the ML and we can go from there? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | we can have it right after | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, 30-31 jan | 17:30 |
| mgould | are many people here likely to be at fosdem? | 17:30 |
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| devananda | fwiw, right after FOSDEM was the timing last winter | 17:31 |
| sambetts | myself, lucasagomes and dtantsur have discussed meeting at FOSDEM | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | that's right! I will be there | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | mgould, I'll try to | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | where is FOSDEM? | 17:32 |
| jroll | brussels | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | Brussels, Belgium | 17:32 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: would you be able to lay out the options on the ML and we can go from there? | 17:32 |
| sambetts | #link https://fosdem.org/2016/ | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ack, will do | 17:32 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:33 |
| * lucasagomes adds to the TODO list for tomorrow morning | 17:33 | |
| jroll | anyone else have anything on this topic? | 17:33 |
| jroll | #topic release notes management | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release notes management (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:34 | |
| jroll | a couple things here | 17:34 |
| jroll | 1) we need to move to using a thing called reno for release notes, see this for more info on how that works: | 17:35 |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 17:35 |
| jroll | I'd love it if patches that deserve release notes come in with the release note in the same patch; we can also do it after the fact | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | RElease NOtes I'm guessing | 17:35 |
| jroll | I've started the necessary work here: | 17:36 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:add-reno+owner:%22Jim+Rollenhagen+%253Cjim%2540jimrollenhagen.com%253E%22,n,z | 17:36 |
| jroll | jlvillal: yes | 17:36 |
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| rloo | some guidelines wrt what patches 'deserve' release notes, would be useful | 17:36 |
| jroll | sure, I can try to come up with something - to start, think about what we've put for rel notes in the past | 17:36 |
| jroll | mostly features or major bug fixes, upgrade notes, etc | 17:37 |
| rloo | jroll: right. so not detailed stuff and not minor features | 17:37 |
| jroll | yep | 17:37 |
| jroll | so that's just an announcement, the bigger part I want folks to start thinking about is | 17:37 |
| jroll | 2) we can move off of launchpad for feature tracking if we'd like | 17:37 |
| jroll | it's not required, but also launchpad is the worst :) | 17:38 |
| devananda | unfortunately, I need to step away for a bit (darn travel schedule) ... but I, for one, welcome our new ReNo overlords | 17:38 |
| jroll | so, we can talk about that here or we can go think about it and come back to it later | 17:38 |
| jroll | devananda: \o | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, see ya later! | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | "User Jim Rollenhagen %3Cjim%40jimrollenhagen.com%3E not found" | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | safe travels devananda | 17:38 |
| devananda | also huge ++ from me on moving away from LP for feature tracking | 17:38 |
| devananda | but pls keep bugs there | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, do you have any suggestion of alternatives to launchpad? | 17:38 |
| jroll | dtantsur: gerrit is the worst, idk what to say | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, also, bugs still needs to be tracked in launchpad right? | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, Firefox? | 17:39 |
| jroll | the main reno thing is here: | 17:39 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/242147 | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: would moveing off LP for feature track make it difficult for other project contributors to work with us | 17:39 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: bugs in launchpad, yes - I don't think that's painful today | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur, With Chrome it worked for me, but failed with Firefox :( | 17:39 |
| jroll | feature tracking on launchpad is horrible | 17:40 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I'm not sure, that's something to consider | 17:40 |
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| jlvillal | Would reno take over for feature tracking also? In addition to release notes. | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | Or something else for feature tracking? | 17:40 |
| jroll | reno is only release notes | 17:40 |
| jroll | so | 17:41 |
| jroll | some folks on the infra team are working on standing up phabricator, which is an option | 17:41 |
| rloo | seems like every openstack project will be asking. to use LP or not, that is the question. | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | I do agree that feature tracking is horrible, but I am concerned that we'll make it harder for folks outside the ironic project to contribute | 17:41 |
| jroll | and likely the best for consistency with other projects down the road | 17:41 |
| rloo | it makes sense for (most of) openstack to use the same feature tracking whatever. | 17:41 |
| * jroll thinks this is probably best for the mailing list, but wanted to get folks thinking about it | 17:42 | |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, ++ | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ yes would love to hear from other projects on this | 17:42 |
| sambetts | #link http://phabricator.org/ | 17:42 |
| jroll | ok | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I would like to see it being cross project, many times we have features that are cross project | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | and having to work across different systems may be messy/painful | 17:43 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:43 |
| jroll | blueprints don't do cross project at all fwiw | 17:43 |
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| lucasagomes | right, but at least it's all in the same "thing" (launchbad) | 17:43 |
| jroll | anyway, we won't make a decision here, but thanks in advance for putting some thought into it :) | 17:43 |
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| jroll | I'm going to go to open discussion, we can keep talking about this, or anything else on your mind | 17:44 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:44 |
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| yuriyz | IMO there is a problem in Ironic with slow spec review process Do we 1) add more people to spec cores 2) cores should set more -2 (minimize specs in "hanging" state), more? | 17:44 |
| yuriyz | my specs is an example | 17:44 |
| jroll | probably both and more? :) | 17:45 |
| jroll | spec review always slows down a bit around summits | 17:45 |
| yuriyz | +1 for both | 17:45 |
| rloo | i htink spec reviews are always slow | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | yuriyz: I can only speak for myself here: I know I have been slow reviewing... and plan on improving that volicity starting this week | 17:45 |
| jroll | yeah, they are always a bit slow - I think we also need focus on which specs we review, sometimes we are very sporadic with them | 17:46 |
| rloo | would it be useful to have spec sprints (or whatever they are called), once a week to review specs that are close or have contentious issues? | 17:46 |
| jroll | rloo: I think it would | 17:46 |
| yuriyz | -2 if spec is not suitable for Ironic/current cycle | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | like a spec jam | 17:46 |
| yuriyz | should be set early | 17:46 |
| rloo | i'm not sure we should -2 wrt 'current cycle' | 17:46 |
| jroll | yuriyz: I agree with -2 for "not suitable for ironic" but not current cycle | 17:46 |
| yuriyz | jroll ok | 17:47 |
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| jroll | the hard part is specs that might be good for ironic but need a complete rewrite | 17:47 |
| jroll | because the details don't make sense | 17:47 |
| jroll | do we -1 or -2 those? | 17:48 |
| jroll | etc | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | if we are going to start to keep a up todate proitiries spec we could come up with rules that help keep specs aligned with those | 17:48 |
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| yuriyz | yes, -1 but not to do review line-by-line | 17:48 |
| rloo | yeah. I might be a bit slow, I'll start to read a spec and then get totally confused cuz I don't know what the spec is trying to say. | 17:48 |
| yuriyz | just mention mega issues | 17:48 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: no, priorities are just our focus, other work is still welcome | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | But specs might be useful for future cycle priorities. Most of the priorities for Mitaka had specs land in Liberty. | 17:48 |
| thiagop | maybe we need some caution not to push away good ideas by using a harsh policy | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I think we should -1 for that reason and ask the author to clarify | 17:49 |
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| yuriyz | thiagop +1 | 17:49 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, it's really case by case too | 17:49 |
| wanyen | I like the idea of weekly spec review jam | 17:49 |
| jroll | thiagop: I agree, I won't let that happen :) | 17:50 |
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| jroll | rloo: how do you feel about organizing review jams? :) | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | I also like the review jam idea as long we we set a time, and can keep it the same | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | Wonder if weekly spec review is something for entire cycle or a specific time frame of the cycle? | 17:50 |
| rloo | if you're asking me to organize it, I would prefer not. I'm not a proponent of review jams even though I suggested it. | 17:50 |
| jroll | heh | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll: oh well. i suppose i could do it if no one else wants to. | 17:51 |
| jroll | rloo: do you think it would be useful, though? | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | also, prior to have a review jam would be good to have a list of specs that we are confident that are almost there | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | and could be merged | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll: it could be useful. i was also going to ask. how much effort do folks put in writing their specs? | 17:51 |
| jroll | I mean, I can find somebody else to organize those too | 17:51 |
| jroll | lucasagomes++ | 17:51 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: yes, i agree. | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | or something that needs discussion to unstuck | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ limited jam scope ++ | 17:51 |
| jroll | great question :) | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | yeah, review jam would be useful if we at least don't read these specs in advance | 17:51 |
| sambetts | at least don't read them? or have at least read them? | 17:52 |
| jroll | so how's this - let's collect stuck/close specs in the meeting agenda. spend 5 minutes in each meeting taking a look at the list and (if needed) plan a jam for that week | 17:52 |
| yuriyz | add actions? | 17:52 |
| * lucasagomes thinks it's "at least read them" | 17:53 | |
| NobodyCam | 7 minutes left btw | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ I loke that to start | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sounds like a good start | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | like even | 17:53 |
| jroll | cool, I'll add the bullet point in the agenda | 17:54 |
| vdrok | ++ | 17:54 |
| rloo | jroll: i'm not sure i like spending time in the meeting figuring out if we need another meeting, but let's try/see how it goes. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | yeah, sorry, I meant we should read them :) | 17:54 |
| jroll | rloo: more like "what time works for folks? | 17:54 |
| jroll | " | 17:54 |
| jroll | rloo: otherwise it's going to involve catching people randomly in irc and mailing list emails etc | 17:55 |
| rloo | jroll: maybe we need a specs subteam | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | we have spec's cores thats kinda a subteam already | 17:55 |
| yuriyz | we already have spec cores | 17:55 |
| yuriyz | == | 17:55 |
| rloo | jroll: like dmitry does for bugs, and jlvillal & mrda for nova bugs. someone to highlight specs that need more attention | 17:55 |
| jroll | rloo: maybe | 17:56 |
| rloo | just thinking out loud. | 17:56 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:56 |
| jroll | let's try this next week and go from there? | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, specs are kinda hard to one person to be responsable for | 17:56 |
| yuriyz | +1 | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | they are long and require specific knowledge sometimes | 17:56 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: not responsible for. just to have an idea of status. | 17:56 |
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| lucasagomes | so... I don't know, I think collectively it would work better | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right | 17:57 |
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| jroll | ok, I've gotta run a couple minutes early, sorry. NobodyCam can you hit the endmeeting button when we're done? :) | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | we can assign devananda while he's out :D | 17:57 |
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| NobodyCam | I can | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, and now jroll | 17:57 |
| thiagop | I don't know if you guys knows about next-review | 17:57 |
| jroll | thanks all for coming today | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | thaNK you jroll | 17:57 |
| jroll | lol | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | thiagop, What's that? | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, see ya | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | thiagop, I don't know it | 17:58 |
| thiagop | a tool created by Dolph to help find things to review | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | thiagop: I have not heard of it | 17:58 |
| thiagop | https://github.com/dolph/next-review | 17:58 |
| * dtantsur does not think he has problems finding things to review... he finds too many things to review | 17:58 | |
| NobodyCam | #link https://github.com/dolph/next-review | 17:58 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: ++ | 17:58 |
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| lucasagomes | thiagop, oh I will take a look, thanks for it! | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | one minute | 17:59 |
| thiagop | this follows a simple philosophy and, when you guys have made a push to review all older specs, will become a very helpful | 17:59 |
| thiagop | it may become* | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | oh that's pretty cool! It's like my todo list but automated! | 17:59 |
| sambetts | The etherpad has an updated ironic-inbox gerrit page which i find very useful to help manage my reviews | 17:59 |
| rloo | i don't think the onus is on cores to review the specs. everyone should be reviewing. | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | thiagop: will take a look | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | I'd prefer to add rules to gertty | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | thats time | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you all for attending | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 18:00 |
| sambetts | thanks everyone o/ | 18:00 |
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| yuriyz | thanks | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 18:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-11-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| mgould | o/ | 18:00 |
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| flwang1 | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 21:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| flwang1 | #topic roll call | 21:00 |
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| ryansb | \o | 21:01 |
| flwang1 | o/ | 21:01 |
| Eva-i | hello | 21:01 |
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| flwang1 | ok, let's start. not sure if vkmc and flaper87 can join today | 21:02 |
| flwang1 | #topic important patch/bug | 21:03 |
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| flwang1 | 1. https://review.openstack.org/209238 | 21:03 |
| flwang1 | we need to get the v2 patch in asap to avoid block the adoption in sahara | 21:03 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: can you put it on your today-to-list? :) | 21:04 |
| ryansb | yeah, I can | 21:04 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: really appreciate that | 21:04 |
| ryansb | though in my tz there isn't a lot of "today" left, so it may be a "in the morning" list | 21:05 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: it works for me either :) | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 21:05 |
| jasondotstar | hi guys. I've been radio silent since summit. I'm back. :-) | 21:05 |
| ryansb | hey there | 21:05 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: hey there | 21:06 |
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| flwang1 | would you mind being the next topic speaker for the puppet work? ;) | 21:06 |
| flwang1 | 2. https://review.openstack.org/242287 | 21:06 |
| jasondotstar | well... I'm picking up where I left off this week | 21:07 |
| flwang1 | it's the dependency of the py34 patch, ryansb has dropped a great comment | 21:07 |
| jasondotstar | which is continuing the work on the debian deployment sections of the module | 21:07 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: anything we can help? | 21:07 |
| jasondotstar | well the debian packaging | 21:08 |
| jasondotstar | has always been something that I wasn't sure about | 21:08 |
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| jasondotstar | who's handling that part? do we have the latest and greatest out in the deb repos? | 21:08 |
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| flwang1 | jasondotstar: i can't remember the name of the guy, but i'm sure there is a guy working on the debian packaging of openstack | 21:09 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 21:09 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: i will figure out the name and let you know | 21:09 |
| jasondotstar | well unless i can nail down the status | 21:09 |
| jasondotstar | that part of the module is in a holding pattern :-/ | 21:09 |
| jasondotstar | flwang1: ack. | 21:10 |
| flwang1 | #action flwang will help jasondotstar figure out the debian packaging guy | 21:10 |
| flwang1 | jasondotstar: thanks a lot for working on this | 21:11 |
| jasondotstar | no problem. goal is to get this stable during this release cycle. | 21:12 |
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| flwang1 | jasondotstar: i'm so excited for the goal since we(catalyst IT) is keen to deploy it asap | 21:13 |
| flwang1 | and we need the puppet work | 21:14 |
| jasondotstar | cool.! | 21:14 |
| flwang1 | any other patch/bug we should discuss in this topic? | 21:14 |
| Eva-i | Can you look at my comment in the second patch? | 21:15 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: yes, i did | 21:15 |
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| Eva-i | flwang1: so what do you think, is this code needed? | 21:16 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: like we did for message database, i think we can init the connection with a default wc value | 21:18 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: i will post another patch after figure out where the connection is initialized and see if it works | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: okay | 21:19 |
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| flwang1 | does that address your question? | 21:20 |
| flwang1 | i mean using a default wc value instead of checking the None | 21:20 |
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| Eva-i | flwang1: yes, it's one of the possible solutions | 21:22 |
| flwang1 | ok, cool | 21:22 |
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| flwang1 | ok, next topic | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: but "none checking code" can be removed as it affects nothing, I think. No need to modify wc initialization. | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | ok, next topic | 21:24 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: ok, we can discuss more details offline | 21:25 |
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| flwang1 | #topic create pool/queue/flavor with existing name | 21:25 |
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| flwang1 | this topic is related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238396 | 21:26 |
| flwang1 | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238006/5 | 21:26 |
| flwang1 | personally, i think it's a good enhancement | 21:27 |
| flwang1 | since we don't allow duplicated name for those resources | 21:27 |
| ryansb | yeah, I'm all about surfacing better errors | 21:28 |
| njohnston | I agree | 21:28 |
| flwang1 | the only reason i'm hesitating is because is breaking the api back compatibility and i'm not sure if there is a corner case we may miss | 21:29 |
| flwang1 | that's why i would like to get flaper87's feedback | 21:29 |
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| flwang1 | or kurt's comments | 21:29 |
| Eva-i | I don't know what to think about these patches because I don't know what backward compatibility for zaqar API is | 21:30 |
| flwang1 | i even asked why zaqar use PUT instead of POST to create new resources, but i forgot the answer from flaper87 :D | 21:30 |
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| Eva-i | I tried to make flaper87 answer these questions about backward compatibility https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-backwards-compatibility-QA | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: the backward compatibility means before this patch, when you try to create a new flavor, you may update an existing one | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | after that, you will get a 409 error | 21:31 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: hah, it's great :) | 21:32 |
| ryansb | yeah, that is a breaking one | 21:32 |
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| Eva-i | different people in Zaqar have different vision of what backwards compatibility for API is | 21:33 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: you know, current behaviour has been existing for several releases, maybe there is a user case we missed | 21:33 |
| Eva-i | *for Zaqar API | 21:33 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: yep, that's why we need to get feedback from operators instead of just make a decision by developers :) | 21:34 |
| flwang1 | i will send a mail to kurt the founder of zaqar to get his opinion | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: wow, ok | 21:35 |
| flwang1 | awesome :) | 21:36 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: thanks for your thinking on zaqar, it's valuable | 21:36 |
| flwang1 | #topic zaqar client | 21:36 |
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| flwang1 | as i mentioned in the summit summary email, we still have a big gap for the zaqar client vs. server side | 21:37 |
| flwang1 | for v1, we're still missing the pool and flavor support | 21:37 |
| flwang1 | for cli | 21:37 |
| vkmc | o/ | 21:38 |
| vkmc | sorry I'm very late | 21:38 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: hey | 21:38 |
| flwang1 | we're talking about the zaqar client work | 21:38 |
| vkmc | yeah | 21:38 |
| vkmc | :) | 21:38 |
| vkmc | just in time | 21:38 |
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| flwang1 | for v2, we're missing flavor, pool, subscription and pre-signed url support for library layer after https://review.openstack.org/209238 merged | 21:39 |
| vkmc | yeah | 21:40 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: if you can review https://review.openstack.org/209238 today, you will get another nz chocolate | 21:41 |
| vkmc | flwang1, oh that nz chocolate is amazing | 21:41 |
| vkmc | I was going to review that anyway | 21:41 |
| vkmc | sorry it's taking me so long | 21:41 |
| vkmc | I catch up with some reviews today but I had that one pending :) | 21:42 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: if it can get your +2, i will merge it | 21:42 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: i see, no worries | 21:42 |
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| vkmc | thx | 21:43 |
| flwang1 | so now md is working on the client work and i will give him a hand for subscription | 21:44 |
| flwang1 | if anybody can take the pre-signed url part, it would be awesome | 21:44 |
| vkmc | do we need an spec for that? | 21:44 |
| flwang1 | our goal is complete the client work in Mitaka-1 | 21:44 |
| vkmc | +1 | 21:44 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: TBH, i don't think we need a spec for this | 21:45 |
| ryansb | Yeah, the spec for server work is up | 21:45 |
| ryansb | the client work is (IMO) part of that | 21:45 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: +1 | 21:45 |
| flwang1 | anything we should discuss for this topic? | 21:47 |
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| flwang1 | #topic horizon + zaqar | 21:48 |
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| flwang1 | we would like to implement a basic filter for subscription to avoid flooding when there are too much messages | 21:50 |
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| flwang1 | with this, the subscriber can subscribe a queue but don't receive all the messages of the queue | 21:50 |
| flwang1 | does that make any sense for you guys? | 21:50 |
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| ryansb | I'd disagree with adding that, but not very strongly | 21:52 |
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| ryansb | because I think that operators/users should partition workloads to multiple queues if subscribers can't keep up | 21:53 |
| vkmc | does it make sense to have in Zaqar side? | 21:53 |
| vkmc | yeah | 21:53 |
| flwang1 | yep, in zaqar side | 21:53 |
| flwang1 | we need it for horizon integration | 21:53 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: why is it needed for horizon integration? | 21:54 |
| vkmc | yeah | 21:54 |
| flwang1 | horizon want to be notified by some particular notifications, like from nova instance change, image change or volume change | 21:54 |
| flwang1 | but not all the notifications | 21:54 |
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| njohnston | Is there an indication in the server or client side user experience or logs that it has been detected that the subscriber can't keep up? How do we know that to be true? | 21:54 |
| flwang1 | so that to trigger horizon to a on-demand poll for those services | 21:55 |
| flwang1 | now horizon has to poll per second to get the latest status for instance, images, etc | 21:55 |
| ryansb | so is it certain that horizon can't filter clientside? | 21:56 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: they can, but they don't want i think :) | 21:57 |
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| ryansb | that doesn't mean it's a feature we should add. I think adding it would get pretty complex, pretty quickly | 21:58 |
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| flwang1 | yep, i can see your point | 21:58 |
| flwang1 | we can discuss offline | 21:58 |
| flwang1 | we have 2 minutes left | 21:58 |
| flwang1 | #topic open disussion | 21:59 |
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| flwang1 | anything we should talk here ? | 21:59 |
| ryansb | not from me | 21:59 |
| flwang1 | or we can go back to zaqar channel | 21:59 |
| vkmc | not from me :) | 21:59 |
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| flwang1 | ok, cool | 22:00 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| flwang1 | thank you guys | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 22:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-09-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-09-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-11-09-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| vkmc | thanks :D | 22:00 |
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