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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 12:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 12:01 |
| david-lyle | anyone driving? | 12:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:01 |
| doug-fish | \o | 12:01 |
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| tsufiev | also robcresswell said that he will soon after beginning of the meeting | 12:02 |
| masco | o/ | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | Only general item | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Horizon | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | for summit stuff | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | any pressing bps people want to discuss, or should I just pull from the back of the deck? | 12:06 |
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| doug-fish | I don't have any priority blueprints today | 12:07 |
| * doug-fish still looking at the schedule | 12:07 | |
| tsufiev | neither do I | 12:07 |
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| david-lyle | ok, the zaqar-ui bp should wait until the summit | 12:07 |
| robcresswell | Sorry for lateness | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-access | 12:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-access (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:08 | |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, is tests discussion going to happen on the contributors meetup? | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-access | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: it sure can | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | ok, that's good ) | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | add things you'd like to discuss on the etherpad | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | for the meetup | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | ack | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | for the bp seems like one piece was overlap otherwise just rounding out API coverage | 12:11 |
| tsufiev | seems that this blueprint is a duplicate of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-description is it? | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | just the first of 3 patches | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | the next two alter access | 12:12 |
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| david-lyle | IIUC more like images | 12:12 |
| tsufiev | ah, ok | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Perhaps just leave a comment asking the author to fill it out more | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: the code is all up already | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | the commit messages are a bit more informative, a bit | 12:13 |
| robcresswell | :( | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | second one is better | 12:14 |
| robcresswell | I dislike trawling code to understand what features have been added, but we shouldnt be blocking on it. "red tape" etc. | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to approve, seems like new basic functionality we should support | 12:15 |
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| robcresswell | Looks like its useful functionality | 12:15 |
| robcresswell | agreed ^^ | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: feel free in the reviews to ask for a more complete commit message | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-access approved | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | Yes, I think so for the first patch. | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | the first of 3 is abandoned | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | the 2nd could use a better commit message | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to skip ceilo bp for now too | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | Ya, I meant of the two active patches. | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | there will be a ceilo fishbowl where we'll learn more | 12:17 |
| doug-fish | I added a couple of comments to the whiteboard on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-access | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uuid-integration-tests | 12:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uuid-integration-tests (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:18 | |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uuid-integration-tests | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | seems logical and I don't see a reason to block | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, it doesn't really need any context, the linked bp explains enough. | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | yes, I think it won't hurt | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | we could make the integration tests pluggable to tempest at some point | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | +1 for approval | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | I like the assumption that we'll have as many tests as in Tempest :) | 12:19 |
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| doug-fish | david-lyle: FWIW I don't think our Horizon tests will _ever_ go into Tempest | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: not in tempest, a plugin to tempest | 12:20 |
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| david-lyle | in fact our current test will be doing the same | 12:20 |
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| doug-fish | I wasn't aware of that - version-less-ness of tempest isn't a concern? | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, so, are going to move tests out of horizon repo? | 12:21 |
| doug-fish | is there a blueprint for this effort? | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | hold up | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | we have one test in tempest | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | we would move that scenario into the horizon repo | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | to work as a plugin to tempest | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | the when we run the gate jobs, our plugin is loaded into tempest | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | there is currently no point to have the horizon test scenario run for nova and neutron patches | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | but random failures can block their patches | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | more big tent stuff | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uuid-integration-tests approved | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | hm... still there is a possibility that changes in nova/neutron/cinder/keystone will break horizon | 12:24 |
| doug-fish | I'm reading here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html (Didn't know this existed) | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | something we might to consider in future | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: only keystone | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | we only test login | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | and none of the clients off master, only released versions | 12:25 |
| tsufiev | well, there was a recent change in cinder quotas that broke some of Horizon buttons | 12:25 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: that wasn't caught by our login scenario | 12:25 |
| tsufiev | yes, that's true | 12:26 |
| tsufiev | I meant integration tests breaking from changes in other openstack components | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | for which projects our plugin gets loaded is a matter for later debate | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: but they only run on horizon jobs | 12:26 |
| doug-fish | do we have a plugin yet? | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | they are not in tempest | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: no, it's on my todo list | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | :-0 | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | got it | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | maybe we can do it at the meetup on Friday | 12:27 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, should we make horizon integration tests be a tempest plugin then? | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | then more than one person understands it | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | :) | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: perhaps | 12:27 |
| doug-fish | tsufiev: maybe it's a collection of plugins, so we can run the Horizon Cinder tests with cinder, etc | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | they need to be highly stable | 12:28 |
| tsufiev | I'm working on that :) | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: I'm well aware and grateful | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | :D | 12:28 |
| tsufiev | :D | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/update-jasmine | 12:28 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: it sounds like a good thing to do on Friday | 12:28 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/update-jasmine | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | is this done? | 12:28 |
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| doug-fish | it doesn't look done to me | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | requirements indicate we're using it | 12:29 |
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| doug-fish | the upgrade has happened, but no changes to the tests | 12:29 |
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| david-lyle | but if we're using it, what changes are required? | 12:30 |
| doug-fish | I'm looking at the patches references in the blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135619/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133175/ | 12:30 |
| doug-fish | I don't have a full understanding here | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | oh, I auto-abandoned those patches | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | just saw they were abandoned | 12:31 |
| doug-fish | sure - not sure that was wrong | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/package.json#L12 | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Jasmine is on 2.2.0 | 12:31 |
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| robcresswell | So the title at least, has been achieved | 12:31 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | so perhaps there are optimizations this allows | 12:31 |
| doug-fish | yeah, that's what I get from the 2nd sentence | 12:32 |
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| doug-fish | Maybe it should be marked done anyway? It's half done and I think no further work is planned | 12:32 |
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| david-lyle | another bp can take on the updating if still desired | 12:33 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/update-jasmine implemented | 12:34 |
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| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/task-event-history | 12:35 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/task-event-history | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | I don't believe there is API support for this | 12:36 |
| doug-fish | agreed | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | we have something for nova | 12:36 |
| doug-fish | usage? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | no actions tab | 12:36 |
| doug-fish | oh, yes, I see | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | this bp is too broad and ill defined to be useful IMO | 12:37 |
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| doug-fish | agreed | 12:37 |
| robcresswell | agreed | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/task-event-history obsolete | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | left comment | 12:39 |
| doug-fish | oops, me too | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/session-token-improvement | 12:39 |
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| david-lyle | I'm all for this | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | smaller session size is a high priority | 12:42 |
| robcresswell | Thats a nice bp. | 12:42 |
| doug-fish | yeah, this is what Lin shared at the last summit I think | 12:42 |
| david-lyle | yeah, the formal write up part | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | any negative votes? | 12:44 |
| doug-fish | nope. +1 | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/session-token-improvement approved | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | I suspect it may increase response time a bit (cache retrieval), but only a bit | 12:44 |
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| tsufiev | +1 | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-all-checkbox-object-containers | 12:46 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-all-checkbox-object-containers | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | I have no concerns with this other than the bp is 7 months old and no code | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | it could almost be treated as a bug rather than a bp | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | merely adding a select-all | 12:48 |
| * robcresswell mumbles something about small bugs have well defined bps, and very complex bps having no content. | 12:48 | |
| tsufiev | if pagination will be implemented for Object Storage (we have such plans for Mitaka), this feature won't have much usefulness | 12:48 |
| robcresswell | This looks more like a bug to me | 12:48 |
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| tsufiev | because Select All works only within a page | 12:48 |
| tsufiev | AFAIK | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | right, but all the other paginated tables have select-all | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | what I would really prefer is a rewrite of the entire view | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | that would be a good bp | 12:49 |
| tsufiev | yes, it'd be good in terms of UX consistency, I agree | 12:49 |
| * tsufiev makes a mental note | 12:50 | |
| david-lyle | I have a feeling that select-all is more complicated to implement than it's worth | 12:50 |
| doug-fish | just to be clear - select-all means select-page, right? | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: yes | 12:51 |
| tsufiev | yes | 12:51 |
| doug-fish | ok great | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | now I'm lost | 12:52 |
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| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-all-checkbox-object-containers approved | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | may need to culled later pending progress | 12:54 |
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| david-lyle | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/openstack-dashboard-logs | 12:56 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/openstack-dashboard-logs | 12:56 |
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| david-lyle | there is no openstack path to get to this. I think culling this makes sense | 12:57 |
| doug-fish | +1 | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | Agreed | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | Also a year old, no code. | 12:57 |
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| tsufiev | +1. I would rather mention here some inconsistencies between different openstack clients inside apache/dashboard log, but that's a topic for Logging group | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/openstack-dashboard-logs obsolete | 12:59 |
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| tsufiev | (when Horizon is slow and someone switches on total debug in logs, it's not very convenient to parse the results) | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | I added a note | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | for admin it would be possible to show the horizon server log | 12:59 |
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| david-lyle | but that would be a different bp | 13:00 |
| doug-fish | plus clustering? | 13:00 |
| doug-fish | how to do that? | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | plus clustering? | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | sorry, it's early to use all of the words | 13:01 |
| tsufiev | I think Doug meant what if we have several Apache servers? | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | logging in a more difficult problem if there are multiple clustered instances of Horizon running | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | *is | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | *sigh* | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | nevermind. | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | it's a different blueprint. | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | so in production, I've found the hardest part was figuring out which server you were connected to to view the log | 13:02 |
| * tsufiev imagines looking through a centralized log being logged itself, thus resulting in a positive feedback :) | 13:02 | |
| david-lyle | in this case, you wouldn't have to make that determination | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | as long as you're able to reproduce the error | 13:02 |
| doug-fish | and as long as all of your requests go to the same server | 13:03 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, I usually tailf as many logs as I have Apache instances and see which changes :) | 13:03 |
| david-lyle | if you are getting loadbalanced that often I think there's something else wrong | 13:04 |
| david-lyle | we're at time | 13:04 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone for your time. | 13:04 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 13:04:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-21-12.01.html | 13:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-21-12.01.txt | 13:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-10-21-12.01.log.html | 13:04 |
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| davidsha | QoS meeting? | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 15:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | role call | 15:00 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | hi ddieterly | 15:00 |
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| ddieterly | rhochmuth: hi | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | hi rbak | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi bklei | 15:01 |
| bklei | good morning! | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | well, it looks a little light today on attendance | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | but we might as well get started | 15:02 |
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| mroderus | o/ | 15:02 |
| bmotz | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | there they are | 15:02 |
| mroderus | Hi all | 15:03 |
| bmotz | Hi | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | hi mroderus and bmotz | 15:03 |
| witek | hello | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | hi witek | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i've updated the agend | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | someone had put on the session at the openstack summit without details | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | so i've been adding details | 15:03 |
| witek | thank you | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i'll try and get that completed so we all know what is going on while we are there | 15:04 |
| witek | is the place for monasca meeting known? | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | will need fabio to provide details | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i think i have in my emails somewhere | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | rbak have you made any further progress on grafana 2.0? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | just checking in on that | 15:05 |
| rbak | yep, it's mostly functional at this point | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | wow, that is awesome | 15:05 |
| rbak | just needs some work on templating and then polish | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | is there any code that you've published to grafana-plugins? | 15:06 |
| rbak | not yet | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | are you planning on this week or next | 15:06 |
| rbak | I wanted to avoid making too many pull requests, so I was waiting until it was more stable | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i could give an update on this during one of the talks | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | ok, please let me know if you get anything posted | 15:06 |
| rbak | will do | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i'll mention this work is in progress | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | but if it is avaialble, i'll put that one the slide | 15:07 |
| rbak | If I get it up soon I'll let you know | 15:07 |
| bklei | rhochmuth: you have a buddy to help push rbak's change upstream to grafana? | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | we have some contacts at raintank | 15:07 |
| bklei | the 'monasca backend' | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i would try on your own first | 15:07 |
| bklei | ok | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | but if there is push back we can talk to the founder | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | the lead developer of grafana works at raintank | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think you'll have problems | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | i'll actaully send him an email today | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | let him know that it is coming | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | bklei: would it be possible to get a more recent screen capture of your environment for one slide next week? | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i know you don't want to show production | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | but if your test environemtn looks pretty cool then that would be good to have | 15:10 |
| bklei | i'll check -- i think i could give you some staging screenshots | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | that would be great | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i think i have enough specifics of your environment to fill in the rest | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | but i'll probably verify with you | 15:11 |
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| bklei | cool, will check and email you screenshots today if ok | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | that woudl be great | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | so, we have a random agenda, so i'll just continue on | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | devstack and tempest is up and running | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | ddieterly is wroking on ci integration | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i might have said that last week | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i can't remember | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | but we just merged the tempest tests on friday | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | so it is in good shape for others to work on | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | there are some directions to get started | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | also, just in case anyone didn't realize | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | all the github repos were migrated from stackforge to openstack over the weekend | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | there were a bunch of url changes as a result | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | hopefully they were all caught, but be on the lookout for anything that says stackforge | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | if you have a local repo that you are using then you'll need to change as wekk | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | For example, | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | git remote set-url origin https://git.openstack.org/openstack/monasca-api | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | git remote set-url gerrit ssh://roland-hochmuth-s@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack/monasca-api | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | for the monasca-api | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | so, are there reviews folks wnat looked at | 15:16 |
| bklei | so current reviews -- any change needed there? | 15:16 |
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| tomasztrebski | just rebasing I guess, unless migration to openstack hasn't been submitted, right ? | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | well, i see the review for mulktiple inner joins is sitting there | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235580/ | 15:17 |
| bklei | yeah, would love feedback on ^^ | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | ok, we'll try and get reviewed | 15:18 |
| bklei | cool -- and if ddieterly has time too? | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz, sorry, i didnt' understand the question | 15:18 |
| ddieterly | bklei: the problem at this point, is that we don't have test coverage | 15:19 |
| ddieterly | on those changes | 15:19 |
| tomasztrebski | it's my bad I though @bklei was asking the question regarding migration to openstack, actually he had something in mind, so nevermind | 15:19 |
| bklei | yean pretty lean unit tests on vertica stuff | 15:19 |
| tomasztrebski | *something else | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | let me see if we can write some tempest tests for that review | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | the tempest tests should be independent of database | 15:20 |
| bklei | the spin up a full stack -- or simulate the backend? | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | unless you want to take a look at it bklei | 15:21 |
| bklei | s/the/they | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | i think the tempest tests in this case would be done in the devstack environment | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | or monasca-vagrant | 15:21 |
| bklei | which is influxdb? | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | ohh yeah, devstack is influxdb | 15:22 |
| bklei | :( | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | monasca-vagrant is vertica or influxdb | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | and the tempest tests run against any api | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | actually, they were all developed againast monasca-vagrant | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, we have an engineer that is working on tempest tests that i'll talk to in a few minutes | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, are there other pressing reviews | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | we got a bunch reviewed over the past two days | 15:24 |
| bklei | not from me | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | we had fallen behind | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | but we are getting caught up again | 15:24 |
| tomasztrebski | I had one Deklan wanted to talk over | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | this one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226733/ | 15:25 |
| ddieterly | tomasztrebski: yes, can you explain what the problem was? | 15:25 |
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| tomasztrebski | ok, it is a little blur, but as far as I remember, I've received internal ticket that there's no option to move forward to next pages in alarm history | 15:26 |
| tomasztrebski | turned out that influx we've had installed does not accept time as timestamp | 15:26 |
| ddieterly | what version of influxdb? | 15:27 |
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| tomasztrebski | 0.9.1 as far as I remember, but I'd have to check tommorow at work to make sure | 15:27 |
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| witek | yes, it should be 0.9.1 | 15:28 |
| ddieterly | that is what we are using, so i'm surprised that this is an issue | 15:28 |
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| ddieterly | i think that someone needs to validate that there is a bug with alarm history paging using mini-mon | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | as was me, I took a query and ran in influx console to confirm and basically query was not working | 15:29 |
| ddieterly | i can try to get to that this week | 15:29 |
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| tomasztrebski | would be great, issue was surprising so having another pair of eyes is most welcome to confirm the change | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: also, would be great to have a tempest test to go along with this problem | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | we have a very basic offset/limit test for alarm state hisory at, https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/monasca_tempest_tests/tests/api/test_alarms_state_history.py | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | but there is actually a much more offset limit test for something else | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | hold on | 15:31 |
| ddieterly | #action validate and review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226733/ | 15:31 |
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| tomasztrebski | thx roland, good place to start with tempests for it | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | The test for measurements is much more sophisticated at, https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/monasca_tempest_tests/tests/api/test_measurements.py | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | i'd like to get all the other resources to have paging tests like the measurements resource | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | but, if you can write a test that demonstrate the problem, then we can validate too | 15:33 |
| witek | #link https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/monasca_tempest_tests/tests/api/test_measurements.py Tempest tests for measurements | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | but the tempest, right ? I think unit-test here wouldn't tell us much because influx would have to mocked anyway | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | *have to be mocked | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | tempest tests are integration tests | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | yeah, I know that | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think unit tests would work well, if the problem is related to influxdb | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | there might be one that you come up with if the problem is in our code though | 15:35 |
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| tomasztrebski | that's also my opinion, just think that it is best thing to clarify some stuff | 15:35 |
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| tomasztrebski | that's all from my side | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | so what did we decide fo rthis review | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | should it get reviewed and merged | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | or do we need to test and validate further? | 15:36 |
| ddieterly | we need to test and validate further, i think | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | IMHO, I am not the fan of merging something useless or not validated, so let's validate that | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | so shoudl we mark that review as a work in progress | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | or -1 until we know more | 15:37 |
| ddieterly | i think we can leave it as is | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 15:38 |
| ddieterly | it needs rebasing though | 15:38 |
| ddieterly | tomasztrebski: could you please rebase it? | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | ddieterly: of course, I wanted to discuss it first | 15:38 |
| ddieterly | (sounds like we are cooking a turkey) | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | I'll take care of it tommorow | 15:39 |
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| ddieterly | thanks | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | mroderus, do you need any slides from me | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | or diagrams | 15:39 |
| ddieterly | tomasztrebski: the sooner the better so i can validate it | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i have today, tomorrow and friday | 15:39 |
| mroderus | rhochmuth: for now I'm fine. I'll send you an updated set later | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | i think we shoudl also get together on monday/tuesday | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | ok, please let me know what you need from me | 15:40 |
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| mroderus | ok, thanks | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | if you need changes, different colors, … let me know | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | ok, winding down here i think | 15:41 |
| tomasztrebski | ddieterly: I know but I cannot do that today, personal reasons to take care | 15:41 |
| mroderus | let's get together on Tuesday. On Monday we (fujitsu) will arrive late | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:41 |
| bklei | rhochmuth: any updates on caching change in monasca-api? | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | i'll be in on Sunday | 15:41 |
| ddieterly | tomasztrebski: ok, no problem | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | no updates on caching | 15:41 |
| bklei | ok, probably won't get to it till a bit after tokyo? | 15:42 |
| bklei | just wondering where it falls in your priorities | 15:42 |
| ddieterly | roland is talking to someone in his cube, so there will be a slight delay... | 15:42 |
| bklei | np | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm back | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | so, probably not going to get worked on right now | 15:44 |
| bklei | ok -- if i get through pre-join projections task, i'll ping you to see if you've started, might take a stab at it. big blocker for us at twc. | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | ok, and sorry | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | thought i would have more time to take a stab | 15:46 |
| bklei | np | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | but didn't work out this last week | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | and won't get to it next week | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | we could do a mini design review | 15:46 |
| bklei | sure | 15:46 |
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| bklei | cool, let's do that when one of us starts looking at it | 15:46 |
| bklei | whoever gets there first | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, if you want to talk about that let me know | 15:47 |
| bklei | k | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think the code will be difficult | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, anything else to discuss | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | that seems like we are done | 15:48 |
| tomasztrebski | I dont know if anyone did that, but we've been checking influxdb newer version (the same you wanted to upgrade to) and it looks like | 15:48 |
| tomasztrebski | either backup or restore dont work | 15:48 |
| tomasztrebski | depends where you are in commit tree | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | we haven't been looking at it | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | but fabio has possibly | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | i would check with him | 15:49 |
| tomasztrebski | just a hint then, anyway the speed new commits pop out in influxdb is...wow... | 15:50 |
| tomasztrebski | the close one bug, make a new... | 15:50 |
| tomasztrebski | *they | 15:50 |
| ddieterly | yea, it's total whack-a-mole | 15:50 |
| tomasztrebski | so basically, if fabio didn't do that, I believe it is useful to know | 15:50 |
| tomasztrebski | tell me 'bout it...I dont think we can ever reach that dev speed they have...no brakes at all | 15:51 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, I am out of topics :) | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | i saw fujitsu is presenting on tuesday | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | is there anythign monasca related to that | 15:51 |
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| rhochmuth | i see Monasca in the abstract | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | so i guess so | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:52 |
| tomasztrebski | that's Witek's area, you there Witek ? | 15:53 |
| witek | mroderus: do you know more about? | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | https://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/c8181e87983356eec12981fd9ed1f3fe?iframe=yes&w=i:0;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 15:53 |
| witek | no, we're on thursday | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | https://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/c8181e87983356eec12981fd9ed1f3fe?iframe=yes&w=i:0;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | Fujitsu- Introduction of Fujitsu's OpenStack Approach on Tuesday at 4:40 | 15:53 |
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| witek | yes, but i'm not involved | 15:54 |
| mroderus | Yes, this is the vendor session from Fujitsu. A Japanese manager is going to talk. He wants to mention Fujitsu's contributions to OpenStack projects, among these our activities in Monasca | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:54 |
| mroderus | I will not be on the stage | 15:54 |
| tomasztrebski | not cool | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:55 |
| mroderus | I'm OK with that :) | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i think we're done | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | see some of you next week | 15:55 |
| tomasztrebski | cool, thx and see you next time | 15:55 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 15:55 |
| witek | servus | 15:55 |
| bklei | cya -- will watch you guys on youtube | 15:55 |
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| mroderus | see you! | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-10-21-15.00.html | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 16:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| acabot | hi | 16:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | Hi | 16:00 |
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| acabot | our meeting agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda | 16:01 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: ready... thanks for sending the email out | 16:02 |
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| tpeoples | hi | 16:02 |
| acabot | ok lets start with announcements | 16:02 |
| acabot | #topics announcements | 16:03 |
| acabot | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| acabot | I'd like to introduce vincentfrancoise who is joining our watcher-drivers team | 16:04 |
| sballe | cool! | 16:04 |
| jwcroppe | welcome :) | 16:04 |
| sballe | vincentfrancoise: are you from b-com? | 16:04 |
| vincentfrancoise | Yeah I'm from b-com :) | 16:05 |
| tpeoples | howdy vincentfrancoise | 16:05 |
| sballe | welcome | 16:05 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise has been working on our metering chain for 3 months now and will jump on Watcher core components now | 16:05 |
| dtardivel_ | acabot: do we need to add vincent into Launchpad "watcher drivers" team ? | 16:05 |
| acabot | dtardivel_: yes please do | 16:06 |
| jwcroppe | vincentfrancoise: welcome aboard | 16:06 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel_ add vincentfrancoise in watcher drivers | 16:06 |
| acabot | any other annoucement ? | 16:07 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: nothing here - ready for actions | 16:07 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: ok | 16:07 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| acabot | mailing to the community has been sent today | 16:08 |
| jwcroppe | saw that - thanks | 16:08 |
| sballe | yeah that was great! | 16:08 |
| acabot | we already have an answer from a ceilometer contributor | 16:08 |
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| acabot | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077627.html | 16:09 |
| jwcroppe | yep, will be good to continue socializing Watcher | 16:09 |
| acabot | I think we should definitely add Watcher to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer#Ceilometer_Extensions | 16:09 |
| jwcroppe | +1 | 16:10 |
| sballe | also we need to look opnfv and the doctor project so we have an answer to the quesiton how is wathcer different from doctor | 16:10 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 16:10 |
| jwcroppe | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/doctor | 16:10 |
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| jwcroppe | sballe: they look to be quite different - we can add this to Wiki FAQ | 16:11 |
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| acabot | #action acabot sballe look at opnfv doctor project before the summit | 16:12 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: yes and no. I think we just need to have a written down answer around why they are different | 16:12 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: +1 | 16:12 |
| acabot | sballe: +1 | 16:12 |
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| jwcroppe | "The goal of this project is to build fault management and maintenance framework for high availability of Network Services on top of virtualized infrastructure" ... I think the core missions are different. We can get pen to paper on that. | 16:13 |
| acabot | doctor is not part of openstack so even if its close, they can live in both openstack and opnfv | 16:13 |
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| sballe | agree with both of you. We just need to make sure we understand the difference | 16:14 |
| acabot | opnfv is deeply related to NFV and I think we do not want to address this right now in Watcher | 16:14 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: +1 ... we've got the action above to write that down, next topic? | 16:14 |
| sballe | the question is doctor going ot be a sub-set of watcher? | 16:14 |
| sballe | jwcroppe: +1 | 16:14 |
| jed56 | +1 | 16:15 |
| jed56 | a) Scheduled evacuation and Live migration would be considered to be actions to move VM from faulty host. If VM does not want to support this, no action. | 16:15 |
| sballe | jed56: This could sound like watcher as well | 16:16 |
| jed56 | yes you can see that here https://wiki.opnfv.org/_media/doctor-opnfv-proposal.pptx | 16:16 |
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| acabot | as stated we will have a deeper look at it before the summit | 16:16 |
| edleafe | but that's an aspect of live migration in general | 16:16 |
| jwcroppe | I propose that we do some research on this and start compiling notes and write some notes | 16:16 |
| tpeoples | seems like the difference is fault tolerance vs optimization, two kind of related but not quite the same goals | 16:17 |
| jwcroppe | before summit | 16:17 |
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| sballe | jwcroppe: yes I believe that is the action above | 16:17 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: agree | 16:17 |
| acabot | lets move to stackforge code migration | 16:17 |
| jed56 | tpeoples i agree | 16:17 |
| sballe | so did it happen? | 16:17 |
| sballe | the stackforge migration/ | 16:17 |
| dtardivel_ | watcher and python-watchercient projects have migrated to openstack namespace | 16:18 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:18 |
| jwcroppe | dtardivel_: assume we also need watcher-specs created ? | 16:18 |
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| dtardivel_ | but there is an issue on watcher project, due to bad oslo config version used | 16:18 |
| wznoinsk | tpeoples: +1, watcher would be doing fault tolerance moves as well? | 16:18 |
| dtardivel_ | we alreay fixed this issue internaly | 16:19 |
| jed56 | we are waiting for a core review for watcher-specs | 16:19 |
| dtardivel_ | We will put a patch before the summit in order to finalize the migration | 16:19 |
| sballe | can you send us the review | 16:19 |
| jwcroppe | jed56: sounds good - do we have our core names loaded into specs and watcher-core ? | 16:20 |
| jed56 | yes : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233679/ | 16:20 |
| sballe | thx | 16:20 |
| dtardivel_ | sballe: yes of course | 16:21 |
| jed56 | the document was not always clear between openstack and stackforge | 16:21 |
| jwcroppe | jed56: IIRC, for watcher-specs it was sballe, acabot and jwcroppe? For watcher-core it was jed56, dtardivel_ and tpeoples, correct? | 16:21 |
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| tpeoples | wznoinsk: i don't think that is something we would try to handle with the first iteration of watcher, but it is something we can discuss and keep in mind. you could think of "faults" as just some other stat that could reach a threshold to be optimized, so the framework watcher provides should allow that in the future | 16:21 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: jed56 is talking about creating the watcher-specs repo | 16:21 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: as it is still in review, we cannot add contributors yet | 16:22 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: +1 | 16:22 |
| wznoinsk | tpeoples: yes, optimization is one thing and fault tolerance is another, it tend to treat tehse two separate, we can take any discussion off-meeting/in open discussion part ... | 16:22 |
| sballe | tpeoples: we will be looking at sla and risk minization so we will be looking at risk for component failure after our initial poc around nergy comsumption | 16:22 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: I think watcher-core should be ready, correct? | 16:22 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: today watcher-core is the watcher-drivers team | 16:24 |
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| acabot | jwcroppe: we are still waiting for watcher-specs creation to start a dedicated launchpad with contributors | 16:25 |
| jwcroppe | ok, sounds good | 16:25 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: if its needed | 16:25 |
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| acabot | we also add a github repo for watcher toold | 16:27 |
| acabot | tools | 16:27 |
| acabot | helping people deploying Watcher | 16:27 |
| acabot | #link https://github.com/b-com/watcher-tools | 16:27 |
| dtardivel_ | we are internaly on review on docker part | 16:28 |
| dtardivel_ | we will push also ansible playbook later (before the summit I hope) | 16:28 |
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| sballe | acabot: yeah I started doing the deploy the otehr day. Still working at it. | 16:28 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: yeah and hopefully watcher can easily build on devstack as well (eventually) | 16:28 |
| sballe | I have devstack deployed and was tryingot get watcher to work. | 16:29 |
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| sballe | I could use some more documentation :-) | 16:29 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: code == documentation ;-) | 16:29 |
| jwcroppe | just kidding - agree | 16:29 |
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| acabot | sballe: I think we will do it together next week and will improve doc as well | 16:30 |
| dtardivel_ | please wait for next commit on docker part, because we updated container images (located on dicker hub), and we need to update documentation as well | 16:30 |
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| dtardivel_ | for information we use gerrithub.io for reviews on this project | 16:31 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: ok, so sounds like progress has been made on the repos | 16:31 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: and we just need watcher-specs to complete review | 16:31 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: I think everything will be OK before Tokyo | 16:32 |
| jwcroppe | sounds good - shall we move on | 16:32 |
| jwcroppe | ? | 16:32 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:32 |
| acabot | yes Tokyo agenda | 16:32 |
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| acabot | sballe sent us an invit for tuesday morning | 16:33 |
| sballe | yes let me know if you need to be added | 16:33 |
| sballe | it is Tuesday at 10:45 during the coffee break | 16:33 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: I started working on a doc I'd like to discuss when we get there with the team... it's not complete, but it will get the discussion going | 16:33 |
| jwcroppe | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xcLQY6532Ed2FS2_6d4s6CF4ijeTqr43k5GMSurFepM/edit#heading=h.vae16077waj6 | 16:33 |
| acabot | wznoinsk: do you want to join ? | 16:34 |
| sballe | ok. Should we add all our session to our wiki? I am assuming we can't add them to the official list | 16:34 |
| wznoinsk | sballe: yes, thanks | 16:35 |
| jwcroppe | the doc I was using a 'scratch pad' of some thoughts we should explore during the PoC phase - with the goal of making things as simple as possible and start getting the framework built out | 16:35 |
| sballe | done | 16:35 |
| acabot | I think we can add them here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 16:35 |
| sballe | ok let's do thta | 16:36 |
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| acabot | so I will add the tuesday session but we still have a problem with rooms for next days | 16:36 |
| sballe | acabot: jwcroppe Do tou know who Federico Michele Facca is? | 16:36 |
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| jwcroppe | sballe: no | 16:36 |
| jwcroppe | sballe: that's a new name t me | 16:37 |
| acabot | sballe: yes sorry I met Federico at a conference on Monday and he is looking at Watcher | 16:37 |
| sballe | ok | 16:37 |
| jwcroppe | cool | 16:37 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: So we have our first meeting setup by sballe, but we should carve out some other focused design slots | 16:37 |
| acabot | #action acabot add watcher session to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 16:38 |
| sballe | acabot: do oyu remember the name of the oher intel person that was interested in joining? | 16:38 |
| acabot | sballe: isnt it wznoinsk ? | 16:38 |
| sballe | no but I think I can find her name | 16:39 |
| acabot | sballe: oh yes sorry Mrittika Ganguli | 16:39 |
| sballe | yes taht was it. I will invite her too | 16:40 |
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| acabot | jwcroppe: +1 but we still have a problem with rooms, we should probably define on our tuesday meeting the next design slots | 16:40 |
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| acabot | everyone is OK with groupme ? | 16:41 |
| sballe | feel free to invite people tot he GroupMe app | 16:42 |
| tpeoples | yep | 16:42 |
| acabot | ok | 16:42 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: yeah, I'm not sure if we'll get a room this summit - we might have to take over some corners or some such :) | 16:42 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: so we will ;-) | 16:42 |
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| sballe | +1 | 16:42 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: next to the coffee machine please | 16:43 |
| sballe | Last year a lot of the LBaaS/FWaas discussions happened in the hallway on chairs | 16:43 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 16:43 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: +1 | 16:43 |
| wznoinsk | during breaks the booths on the corridors are usually busy but we can try to use one of them (with couches) | 16:43 |
| acabot | ok lets move to our last topic | 16:43 |
| sballe | wznoinsk: +1 | 16:43 |
| acabot | #topic open discussions | 16:43 |
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| sballe | Just a reminder: Can people please sign in to GroupMe? | 16:44 |
| jwcroppe | if people get a chance - take a look at the google doc I started above. it's very rough admittedly, but it's a good straw man for some discussion | 16:44 |
| acabot | jwcroppe: ok I will do it in the plane ;-) | 16:44 |
| jed56 | jwcroppe: i will | 16:44 |
| jwcroppe | cool | 16:44 |
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| jwcroppe | and yes - to echo sballe - join GroupMe :) | 16:45 |
| acabot | OK can we close our meeting and just say see you in Tokyo ? | 16:46 |
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| sballe | sounds good to me | 16:46 |
| jwcroppe | Sounds like a plan | 16:46 |
| sballe | bye | 16:46 |
| tpeoples | safe travels | 16:46 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 16:46:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| jed56 | +2 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-21-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-21-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-10-21-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
| jwcroppe | safe travels folks | 16:47 |
| acabot | safe travels | 16:47 |
| jed56 | thanks you too | 16:47 |
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| annp | Hi | 18:30 |
| njohnston | o/ | 18:30 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:30 |
| vishwana_ | hrllo | 18:30 |
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| vishwana_ | hello | 18:30 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:30 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | hi | 18:31 |
| ogzy | hi | 18:31 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:32 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting FwaaS | 18:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 18:33:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: FwaaS)" | 18:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 18:33 |
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| xgerman | #chair sc68cal sridark | 18:33 |
| openstack | Current chairs: sc68cal sridark xgerman | 18:33 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: seems to be away | 18:33 |
| xgerman | he is already in japan. Enjoying fish for breakfast when I interpret his twittered correctly | 18:34 |
| SridarK | xgerman: aha ok | 18:34 |
| njohnston | yeah it's 3:30am there | 18:34 |
| xgerman | boo | 18:34 |
| SridarK | lets slave on :-) | 18:34 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 18:35 |
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| xgerman | Tokyo next week; we have a design session; write stuff into the etherpad | 18:35 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services | 18:35 |
| xgerman | ok, I think next up | 18:37 |
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| xgerman | #topic Bugs | 18:37 |
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| xgerman | I am not as versed in LP as sc68cal — so I am not sure if we got some new ones... | 18:38 |
| SridarK | xgerman: no there are no new ones of high priority | 18:38 |
| xgerman | cool!! | 18:38 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i troll this | 18:38 |
| xgerman | any bugs bothering people? | 18:38 |
| ogzy | i am new to fwaas irc, but i think documentation is missing | 18:38 |
| SridarK | xgerman: we a have a few doc bugs as a result of docimpact | 18:39 |
| badveli | i do not see from our link | 18:39 |
| SridarK | ogzy: yes u are correct | 18:39 |
| xgerman | ogzy +1 | 18:39 |
| SridarK | there is a patch set out there to get somethings straightened out | 18:39 |
| ogzy | i am trying to develop a fwaas driver for a custom hardware driver and i am in a mass of remote neutron debugging | 18:39 |
| SridarK | ogzy: welcome firstly | 18:40 |
| SridarK | ogzy: we can help - there are a few code examples | 18:40 |
| ogzy | i don't know whether it is the right way but, i couldn't find any doc that explains me what to implement for a fwaas driver | 18:40 |
| SridarK | ogzy: lets bring this up in open discussion | 18:40 |
| ogzy | SridarK: ok | 18:40 |
| xgerman | so I would like to see reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231246/ — before I need to rebase again ;-) | 18:41 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok will do - sorry, beer for day to day slip. ;-) | 18:42 |
| xgerman | no worries — there are aplenty of parties for free beer in Tokyo ;-) | 18:42 |
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| xgerman | #topic Roadmap | 18:44 |
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| xgerman | SridarK + Vish + I need to throw together a roadmap we show people in Tokyo | 18:45 |
| xgerman | I think we should aim to get mickeys API improvements into M | 18:45 |
| SridarK | xgerman: huge +1 | 18:45 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-api-evolution-spec | 18:45 |
| xgerman | Aish has started to work them into a API doc document | 18:46 |
| xgerman | #link http://rst.ninjs.org/?n=31854e576d81597aa17135700b090ef1&theme=nature | 18:46 |
| Aish | Yup, I will push it as patch | 18:46 |
| xgerman | now mickeys do you have any cycles to work on the API | 18:46 |
| xgerman | ? | 18:46 |
| mickeys | yes | 18:46 |
| xgerman | awesome!! | 18:47 |
| xgerman | so we will mark that down... | 18:47 |
| xgerman | in looking at that Aish and I noticed that #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131596/8/specs/kilo/service-group.rst didn’t make much progress | 18:48 |
| xgerman | so we are wondering if we should incubate that in FWaaS and then spin out when it has enough functionality | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | Aish: xgerman: quick question on the link - this the current API ? | 18:49 |
| mickeys | xgerman: Trying to interpret "spin out" | 18:50 |
| xgerman | SridarK this is the current API + mickeys extensions | 18:50 |
| xgerman | mickeys “spin out” means we would donate code, docs, to the neutron API eventually | 18:51 |
| mickeys | xgerman: ok | 18:52 |
| xgerman | I am hoping we get more velocity in implementing server groups by doing it inside FWaaS | 18:52 |
| badveli | xgerman: not able to follow on service group spec are you suggesting we add more functionalities | 18:52 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok - i think some stuff is missing but we can discuss that later | 18:53 |
| xgerman | I am thinking we just add that functionality to our improved FWaaS API for now without getting bogged down by getting server groups into all of Neutron | 18:53 |
| xgerman | SridarK we can avsolutely iterate | 18:53 |
| badveli | thaught process was other modules wanted to use this is the reason it is neutron | 18:53 |
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| mickeys | Is this coupled to the classifier discussion? | 18:53 |
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| xgerman | badveli, I and hwarendt are going through something similar with flavor framework and doing something for all of Neutron is a huge velocity drag | 18:54 |
| SridarK | xgerman: badveli: did this start this within fwaas and then on reviews and discussions was asked to bring it out to neutron - so we can call it out | 18:54 |
| SridarK | if we can do it in fwaas - defn velocity advantages | 18:55 |
| badveli | xgerman initially we had planned this to be a fwaas and then yes the reviews made it to neutron | 18:55 |
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| badveli | sridark: yes and the reason the spec was approved | 18:55 |
| badveli | there was some interest to use the same in security groups i believe | 18:55 |
| xgerman | mmh, I see comments from last year so we probably need to re-check with Neutron leadership if that is still the case | 18:56 |
| xgerman | (I still think it would be good for FWaaS) | 18:56 |
| SridarK | lets add this ot our priority list and work out the neutron vs neutron-fwaas at the summit | 18:57 |
| badveli | yes especially there was some interest to use this by other modules | 18:57 |
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| xgerman | mickeys I am not sure if it relates to classifiers I think No since we just group ipranges | 18:58 |
| badveli | xgerman: service group is a different one if we go through the spec | 18:59 |
| badveli | but i agree to catch up with neutron its a bit difficult especially with the db | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | so can we resolve to add Service Groups and check on neutron vs neutron-fwaas ? | 19:02 |
| xgerman | I think we know what to do ;-) | 19:02 |
| SridarK | by add -> to our list of things for M | 19:03 |
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| xgerman | yep, we should add it to the roadmap... | 19:03 |
| SridarK | good | 19:03 |
| xgerman | anything else we should add? those were my two ideas... | 19:03 |
| SridarK | next up, FWaaS association with ports | 19:04 |
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| SridarK | Router ports easier | 19:04 |
| xgerman | yeah, Aish will make it all port based | 19:04 |
| SridarK | then we need to lead into VM ports | 19:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:04 |
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| xgerman | and mickeys was on board with ports so i think that’s a given | 19:05 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:05 |
| SridarK | so now in lieu of Blueprints, we can fire up some RFE bugs ? | 19:05 |
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| SridarK | I think bare minimum we can target the above for M | 19:06 |
| xgerman | RfE is so you don;’t make a blueprint for something which is being shut down | 19:06 |
| xgerman | for the stuff we agree here we should make blueprints/spec so we can track it | 19:06 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:07 |
| SridarK | ok blueprints it is | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | also we had fw zones | 19:07 |
| SridarK | that had significant interest | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | will be an enhacement that can work off ports | 19:08 |
| xgerman | yeah, true, let’s get a spec for that as well | 19:08 |
| xgerman | zone mean many things to many people so some spec is needed | 19:08 |
| SridarK | for zones, i had one a while back, we can resurrect that | 19:08 |
| mickeys | I was hoping what I put in the API is close enough. We can discuss further in Tokyo. | 19:08 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes | 19:09 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: on the vm ports, dvr, sg - there is some overlap | 19:09 |
| mickeys | SridarK: Agreed | 19:10 |
| SridarK | we should hash that out | 19:10 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:10 |
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| SridarK | i think things like classifiers, DPI we can put further out in the Roadmap | 19:11 |
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| xgerman | I think we can have some basic thing which runs reggae on apckages | 19:11 |
| xgerman | regex | 19:11 |
| mickeys | Are we meeting in Tokyo on Monday? This can eat up a lot of time ;-) | 19:11 |
| xgerman | we should -- | 19:11 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 19:11 |
| SridarK | ok i think this good | 19:11 |
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| xgerman | I have a commitment Monday evening but the rest I am free | 19:11 |
| SridarK | lets get to open discussion ? we can set some logistics ? | 19:12 |
| xgerman | I can also meet Sunday evening ;-) | 19:12 |
| xgerman | #topic OpenDiscussion | 19:12 |
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| ogzy | so i can talk | 19:12 |
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| SridarK | ogzy: :-) yes for sure | 19:12 |
| ogzy | i told my problem | 19:12 |
| ogzy | i checked the drivers | 19:12 |
| SridarK | ogzy: yes understood - are u using the community plugin and only changing the driver ? | 19:13 |
| SridarK | ur version in lieu of iptables ? | 19:13 |
| ogzy | i installed devstack with fwaas enabled | 19:13 |
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| ogzy | so iptables is the driver | 19:13 |
| ogzy | and trying to remote debug it | 19:13 |
| SridarK | so u will still use the community implementation ? | 19:14 |
| ogzy | indeed i need to write my own driver for a custom fw hardware | 19:14 |
| ogzy | the hardware has a rest api | 19:14 |
| SridarK | ok | 19:14 |
| ogzy | so i am in the step of how the drivers are working | 19:15 |
| SridarK | u can look at the brocade, intel, freescale for examples | 19:15 |
| ogzy | but not sure whether it is the right way | 19:15 |
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| SridarK | for cisco we also have our own plugin | 19:15 |
| SridarK | essentially plugin -> agent -> drivers | 19:16 |
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| SridarK | why dont u shoot me an unicast email | 19:16 |
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| ogzy | i just saw drivers from https://github.com/openstack/neutron-fwaas/tree/master/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/drivers | 19:16 |
| SridarK | i will send u some pointers and if u are coming to Tokyo | 19:16 |
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| SridarK | we can sit together as well | 19:16 |
| ogzy | i am coming to Tokyo :) | 19:16 |
| ogzy | that will be great if we can talk a bit on driver implementation | 19:17 |
| SridarK | ok we can do that next week - in person is a lot easier | 19:17 |
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| ogzy | ok great | 19:17 |
| ogzy | and what is your email ? | 19:17 |
| SridarK | i think there are some examples that can help | 19:17 |
| ogzy | that will be great | 19:17 |
| vishwana_ | ogzy, I had come up with some class diagrams and sequence diagrams when implement Brocade firewall driver ...it is at link https://github.com/vishwanathj/vish-openstack if that is helpful....but Sridar helped me a lot though | 19:17 |
| ogzy | i had checked them also :) | 19:17 |
| SridarK | yes Vish has some great docs on this | 19:18 |
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| xgerman | + vish will be in Tokyo as well ;-) | 19:18 |
| ogzy | vishwana_: i was looking at them today to find which func is trigering iptables_fwaas.py | 19:18 |
| badveli | is there any remote sessions for the meetings? | 19:18 |
| SridarK | ok good ogzy: will ping u - i saw ur email last night | 19:18 |
| ogzy | SridarK: that will be great | 19:18 |
| SridarK | ogzy: i can certainly help u on that specific point - it is from the agent | 19:19 |
| SridarK | ok xgerman: perhaps we can set some logistics | 19:19 |
| ogzy | SridarK: where should i put the break point while debugging remotely? | 19:19 |
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| ogzy | SridarK: i tried for create_firewall but it didn't worked | 19:19 |
| xgerman | SridarK yes | 19:19 |
| SridarK | ogzy: the driver is called by tge agent | 19:19 |
| ogzy | SridarK: ok so i should debug the neutron agent? | 19:20 |
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| SridarK | ogzy: lets discuss more later so we an lay down the logistics | 19:20 |
| SridarK | we can continue after | 19:20 |
| ogzy | SridarK: ok | 19:20 |
| xgerman | you guys use groupme on your phone? | 19:20 |
| ogzy | xgerman: is this a question also to me? | 19:21 |
| vishwana_ | I use WhatsApp | 19:21 |
| SridarK | xgerman: no | 19:21 |
| mickeys | Not yet | 19:21 |
| sc68cal | hey guys, sorry, I'm in Japan, I forgot this week was not APAC time :-\ | 19:21 |
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| xgerman | sc68cal we are talking about meeting on Monday… you scouted the place out? | 19:21 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: we heard u were seen with some fish and saki | 19:21 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:21 |
| sc68cal | heh, no saki yet, but lots of fish. :) | 19:21 |
| xgerman | anyway, I am german.eichberger@hp.com on group-me | 19:22 |
| ogzy | are there free wifis around in Tokyo? | 19:22 |
| xgerman | #link http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Japan | 19:22 |
| xgerman | there is talk about free wifi on that wiki | 19:22 |
| SridarK | so xgerman: Mon eve does not work for u - can we meet earlier or late on Mon ? | 19:24 |
| xgerman | yeah, rest of the day is empty | 19:24 |
| xgerman | and we can meet at some tourist sight as well ;-) | 19:24 |
| SridarK | Can we try early Mon ? and that leaves some time for touristy things or work related stuff as well | 19:25 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:25 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 19:25 |
| xgerman | breakfast? | 19:25 |
| SridarK | sounds good | 19:25 |
| mickeys | Not too early. I will get to the hotel around midnight on Sunday. | 19:25 |
| SridarK | ok 10am ? | 19:25 |
| mickeys | 9am or 10am works | 19:25 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 19:25 |
| xgerman | let’s do 9 am | 19:26 |
| SridarK | +1 | 19:26 |
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| xgerman | sc68cal any recommendations? | 19:26 |
| xgerman | for breakfast? | 19:26 |
| ogzy | SridarK: should i catch you at the summit? | 19:26 |
| SridarK | or even a lounge | 19:26 |
| SridarK | ogzy: sent u an email | 19:26 |
| SridarK | ogzy: yes | 19:26 |
| mickeys | We should probably pick a hotel lobby for meetup, then find breakfast from there? | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | I'm in Shinjuku now, but i'll be at the summit location on Sunday, so I'll scout ahead | 19:26 |
| xgerman | awesome | 19:27 |
| SridarK | mickeys: lets do that | 19:27 |
| xgerman | I stay at the grand prince | 19:27 |
| mickeys | Shinagawa Prince | 19:27 |
| SridarK | there are some similar sounding hotels | 19:27 |
| vishwana_ | sc68cal, share the location info on the openstack-fwaas IRC channel | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | will do :) | 19:27 |
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| xgerman | awesome!! | 19:27 |
| mickeys | We should pick one of the Prince hotels, being careful to identify which one | 19:28 |
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| xgerman | yep | 19:28 |
| mickeys | Grand Prince? | 19:29 |
| SridarK | Grand Prince Hotel New Takanawa | 19:29 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:29 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:29 |
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| SridarK | ok lobby of Grand Prince Hotel New Takanawa at 9am on Mon | 19:29 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 19:29:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| vishwana_ | +1 | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2015/fwaas.2015-10-21-18.33.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2015/fwaas.2015-10-21-18.33.txt | 19:29 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2015/fwaas.2015-10-21-18.33.log.html | 19:29 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:29 |
| ogzy | see u at the tokyo guys | 19:29 |
| badveli | bye | 19:29 |
| mickeys | bye | 19:30 |
| SridarK | ogzy: ack my email to make sure | 19:30 |
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| ogzy | SridarK: i replied back | 19:32 |
| ogzy | thank you | 19:32 |
| SridarK | ogzy: perfect | 19:32 |
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| SridarK | np we can discuss next wee for sure | 19:33 |
| SridarK | *week | 19:33 |
| ogzy | bye for now | 19:33 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 20:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| tqtran | ohio | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:01 |
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| bpokorny | Hi | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | aloha | 20:01 |
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| lhcheng_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| rajatvig | hi | 20:01 |
| pauloewerton | olá o/ | 20:01 |
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| matt-borland | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | Hi | 20:01 |
| ducttape_ | こんにちは (hello) | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ducttape_: oo fancy | 20:02 |
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| ducttape_ | thats what google tells me | 20:02 |
| matt-borland | if only knew what it was really saying | 20:02 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_: how do you pronounce it? | 20:02 |
| ducttape_ | Kon'nichiwa | 20:02 |
| lhcheng_ | sounds right | 20:03 |
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| tsufiev | Japanese is hard :/ | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | two general links | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Horizon | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | schedule is set, etherpads are linked, start adding content | 20:04 |
| neillc | o/ | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | questions/concerns? | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | about the summit | 20:05 |
| Piet | Can I post a link to the group? | 20:05 |
| ducttape_ | how many drinks does david-lyle owe me.... my #1 concern | 20:05 |
| Piet | shots or drinks? | 20:05 |
| ducttape_ | yes | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | many I suppose | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | Piet a link? | 20:06 |
| Piet | Sure | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | "Tequila sounds like a terrible idea... I'll have one" | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | Piet: as long as you're not selling anything it should be fine | 20:06 |
| Piet | UX Research session: http://sched.co/4Qbe | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | :D | 20:07 |
| Piet | Etherpad for research session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-ux-research | 20:07 |
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| Piet | UX Design session: http://sched.co/4QeL | 20:07 |
| Piet | Etherpad for UX Desing: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-ux-design | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | whoa link was singular | 20:08 |
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| Piet | It would be cool to have the Horizon folks there | 20:08 |
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| Piet | I'll bring tequila | 20:09 |
| Piet | Take a shot whenever I swear at the session | 20:09 |
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| david-lyle | you'll notice on the first link I provide there is a ceilometer session and a searchlight session as well | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | and an overlapping zaqar session | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | ok that's general business and no one added anything to the agenda | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | #topic open discussion | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | or we go back to getting ready for next week :) | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, zaqar overlaps theming :( | 20:13 |
| Piet | Yes, please. | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Oh, I'll be at theming | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | I think I might be one of about 3 people that understands hurgleburgler's schemes | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | or, has had them explained and tried to understand. | 20:14 |
| Piet | Is that the theming stuff for Horizon that hurgleburgler is working on? | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | :D | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: we will have an async fishbowl that zaqar will be attending | 20:14 |
| hurgleburgler | Piet yes | 20:14 |
| hurgleburgler | and possibly some UX discussion as weel | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yeah, saw that we had a dedicated async session, awesome | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | ceilometer has a conflict for that one, but they had conflicts for both our fishbowls | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: most of the theming can be boiled down to "use standard bootstrap people, please!!" | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | IIUC :) | 20:15 |
| ducttape_ | horiqarux - new session name | 20:15 |
| hurgleburgler | r1chardj0n3s its gonna be me hitting people with a Bootstrap stick | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | |o| | 20:16 |
| hurgleburgler | i wonder if I can carry that on the plane | 20:16 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle: tie-fighter? | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | the informal meetup is still in the planning stage, amotoki found a local venue. but the question lingering is if it's better for a group where people will likely come and go | 20:18 |
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| david-lyle | than say hotel bar | 20:18 |
| hurgleburgler | how long will the informal meetup last? | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | no idea | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | would start at 20:00 | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | the second venue choice is also close to hotels | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I actually just replied to that | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | there is a canonical nighttime event on monday too | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | Piet mentioning tequila got me thinking about the meetup | 20:20 |
| Piet | Heh | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | since it is the canonical event, I hope the horizon location has food ;) | 20:22 |
| doug-fish | what I understood from amotoki is that the venue he's chosen isn't really suitable form people coming and going | 20:22 |
| doug-fish | but it sounds really cool to me | 20:22 |
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| david-lyle | so it would be good to get an idea what works best for people | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | Is there some mail thread about the meetup? Or etherpad? | 20:23 |
| Piet | brb | 20:24 |
| doug-fish | tsufiev: hmm, no there really isn't yet | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | there will be an email to -dev if people are generally onboard with something more organized | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | final details should end up on the planning etherpad | 20:25 |
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| tsufiev | Okay, got it | 20:25 |
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| doug-fish | Personally, the Motoki organized event sounds fun to me | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | me too | 20:26 |
| tqtran | what is it? | 20:26 |
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| tqtran | i have no idea what the event is | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | it would not preclude people coming late | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | doug-fish: Yeah I agree | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | but payment and ordering is more difficult if it's a constant stream | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | generally one check | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | Anyone's company bank account want to volunteer? | 20:27 |
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| doug-fish | ha! I don't think I can quite cover that with my per diem. | 20:28 |
| med_ | HP cloud should have a lot of money since they are mothballing it. | 20:28 |
| * med_ ducks and leaves | 20:28 | |
| tsufiev | Ah, it's the problem with credit cards, isn't it? | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | Here are some pieces of what Akihiro shared: | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | It is at B1F in the Shinagawa Intercity [1] which is the opposite side | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | I was told that we need to have cash in Japan | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | The place is a kind of Japanese izakaya [2] | 20:29 |
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| doug-fish | we can have various foods including chickens, hot pot cooking and more. | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | Perhaps it costs around 4000 yens (a bit less than 40 US$). | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | >> I plan to order some set of foods in advance and it helps me. | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | >One possible concern is how to pay in such cases. | 20:30 |
| doug-fish | >In Japan, we usually pay as a whole or per table, and pay per person | 20:30 |
| doug-fish | >is not usual. | 20:30 |
| med_ | Bring your square reader to divvy up the checks.... | 20:30 |
| doug-fish | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izakaya | 20:30 |
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| doug-fish | (probably should have just forwarded his email) | 20:31 |
| lhcheng_ | a company sponsor would make it easier ;) | 20:31 |
| doug-fish | rather than cutting and pasting lines | 20:31 |
| ducttape_ | place it in etherpad? | 20:32 |
| doug-fish | oh - Akihiro said that he would announce it tomorrow. | 20:32 |
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| doug-fish | maybe I should let him do that since he's done all of this planning work | 20:32 |
| doug-fish | disregard what I've typed. | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | ok. if we need to, I'd think we could split into groups of 4 or so the help payment? | 20:32 |
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| tqtran | software engineers solving real world problems | 20:33 |
| ducttape_ | +1000 | 20:33 |
| ducttape_ | there is no more urgent problem to solve tqtran | 20:33 |
| tsufiev | yeah, engineering approach :) | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we're saving up all our "solving" for the argument^Wdiscussions next week | 20:34 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | also editing stuff into the session etherpads | 20:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tho I appear to be the only one | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | I think we should call it early | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | let people work on getting ready | 20:35 |
| doug-fish | I put our emails regarding the social event into the etherpad | 20:35 |
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| doug-fish | gross, but I hope it gets the point across | 20:36 |
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| david-lyle | last call | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | we would all like a round, if you are buying david-lyle | 20:37 |
| hurgleburgler | Asahi please | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | that's it, you're all out | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | See you next week! | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:38 | |
| hurgleburgler | (☉‿☉✿)ノ | 20:38 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 20:38:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-21-20.00.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-21-20.00.txt | 20:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-10-21-20.00.log.html | 20:38 |
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| neillc | o/ | 20:38 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 20:38 |
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