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| flwang1 | #startmeeting zaqar | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 15:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:00 |
| flwang1 | #topic Roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| Eva-i | yo | 15:01 |
| flwang1 | where is lovely flaper87? | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | no idea | 15:02 |
| ryansb | o/ | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:02 |
| flwang1 | the main topic of today's meeting is the schedule of summit | 15:03 |
| flwang1 | #topic summit session schedule | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit session schedule (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:03 | |
| flwang1 | based on the proposals at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka-Zaqar | 15:03 |
| flwang1 | i just worked out the schedule of zaqar sessions https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/zaqar#.ViPBL-Tv1x0 | 15:04 |
| flwang1 | and i have sent a mail to openstack-dev mail list to get feedbacks | 15:04 |
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| exploreshaifali | Hello! | 15:05 |
| exploreshaifali | yes I saw the e-mail :) | 15:05 |
| flwang1 | i combined zaqar dashboard, doc/wiki and pool group into the fishbowl session | 15:05 |
| flwang1 | but we need to confirm if all the session leaders could be there | 15:06 |
| vkmc | flwang1, I think the pool group api would need more time for discussion | 15:06 |
| vkmc | I would swap client/cli work session for pool group api | 15:07 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: works for me | 15:07 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: given the gap of zaqar client is basically clear | 15:08 |
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| vkmc | yeah | 15:08 |
| vkmc | I just asked mdnadeem to join us | 15:08 |
| vkmc | so he can define if he can lead it | 15:08 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: you will lead the zaqar horizon session, right? | 15:09 |
| flwang1 | is 20 mins enough for you? | 15:09 |
| exploreshaifali | yes, but is it possible to change date or time? | 15:09 |
| exploreshaifali | I want to attend another session on same day, time from 4:40pm - 6:10pm | 15:09 |
| exploreshaifali | if it creates trouble for you all, its fine, I can leave that session | 15:10 |
| exploreshaifali | ;) | 15:10 |
| exploreshaifali | flwang1, ^ | 15:10 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: i'm afraid we don't have another slot now, but we can try to figure out it | 15:11 |
| exploreshaifali | flwang1, no problem :) | 15:11 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: i would prefer to keep that time for you unless if there is another change suitable for you, is that ok? | 15:11 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: are you happy with the time for your real time horizon session? if horizon team can't change their session time | 15:13 |
| vkmc | flwang1, sure, works for me | 15:13 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: thanks | 15:13 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: if you can catch up flaper87, pls help me confirm if the time works for him for the sahara session | 15:14 |
| vkmc | flwang1, sure thing | 15:14 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: you will get a NZ chocolate | 15:14 |
| vkmc | flaper87, if you read this later, please ping us so we arrange the sched :) | 15:14 |
| vkmc | flwang1, :D :D | 15:15 |
| exploreshaifali | sorry! | 15:15 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: ? | 15:15 |
| exploreshaifali | flwang1, so yes, its fine if we don't have any other slot :) | 15:15 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: thanks a lot :) | 15:15 |
| exploreshaifali | :D | 15:15 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: share your chocolate with exploreshaifali :) | 15:16 |
| exploreshaifali | haha | 15:16 |
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| vkmc | I'll think about it | 15:16 |
| vkmc | haha kidding, she deserves a ton of poptarts | 15:17 |
| exploreshaifali | :D | 15:17 |
| flwang1 | we still need to figure out the other sessions | 15:17 |
| flwang1 | as for client session, vkmc will you lead it or dynarro will be there? | 15:17 |
| vkmc | dynarro will be there | 15:18 |
| vkmc | she has been working on the client in the last couple of months, so she would have a better idea of the current status of the client right now | 15:18 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: cool | 15:19 |
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| vkmc | looking at the sched | 15:20 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: if we swap client session and the pool group session, do you think 10 mins is enough for client session? | 15:20 |
| vkmc | there is one working session for horizon-zaqar in the horizon namespace | 15:20 |
| vkmc | and another one in our namespace | 15:20 |
| vkmc | so we will have plenty of time to discuss about it heh | 15:20 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: yep | 15:20 |
| vkmc | flwang1, totally yes | 15:20 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: cool | 15:21 |
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| vkmc | she has done several improvements... what it remains is to plan a bit how we are going to implement the client for v2 features (signed urls, subscriptions) | 15:21 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: nice | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | flwang1: vkmc sorry, kinda in the middle of something | 15:21 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: i miss you, man | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I replied to the email thread saying that the wednesday slot worked for me | 15:21 |
| vkmc | flaper87, we have gummybears here | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I WANT GUMMYBEARS | 15:21 |
| vkmc | so... its more important for you to be here | 15:22 |
| exploreshaifali | flaper87, \o | 15:22 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: that's the best answer i want to know, re the session time | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | exploreshaifali: w000h000 | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | flwang1: :) | 15:22 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: will you lead the doc session? is 10 mins enough? | 15:23 |
| vkmc | flwang1, I can make it work | 15:23 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: cool, you know, we can discuss more offline :) | 15:24 |
| vkmc | sure | 15:24 |
| vkmc | we have to redefine the docs structure basically | 15:24 |
| vkmc | we already have some input | 15:24 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: great | 15:25 |
| ryansb | can you explain the gist of the new structure? | 15:25 |
| exploreshaifali | ryansb, there is an etherpad for it | 15:25 |
| Eva-i | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-mitaka-docs | 15:25 |
| ryansb | ah, neat thank you | 15:25 |
| Eva-i | Please pay attention to the "critical note" I made about docs structure | 15:26 |
| flwang1 | so for now, only the pool group session needs to be confirmed | 15:26 |
| flwang1 | i will confirm with mdnadeem | 15:28 |
| flwang1 | ok, so i assume all of you guys are happy with current schedule, if there any change, i will send mail to openstack-dev | 15:29 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, in the summits we generally set up etherpads so people that cannot attend can leave their thoughts... minutes for the working session are written there | 15:29 |
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| flwang1 | btw, i'm going to cancel next weekly meeting since some of you guys may be in travel. any objection? | 15:31 |
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| vkmc | I'm good with that | 15:31 |
| exploreshaifali | too me :) | 15:32 |
| vkmc | I'd suggest to cancel the two upcoming meetings | 15:32 |
| vkmc | in fact | 15:32 |
| vkmc | haha | 15:32 |
| exploreshaifali | +1 vkmc | 15:32 |
| ryansb | yeah, I doubt many folks will be able to attend | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: your suggestions are always great :) | 15:32 |
| flwang1 | cool, anything we need to discuss about the schedule? | 15:33 |
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| vkmc | nothing else from me | 15:33 |
| flwang1 | any topic from you guys? otherwise move to open discussion | 15:34 |
| Eva-i | If it's not hard, please review https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1506091 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506091 in zaqar "Testing databases are not dropped after some tests" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Eva Balycheva (ubershy) | 15:34 |
| huangkai | Please review Lenovo Ironic driver:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208319/ | 15:35 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: that's one thing i raised several weeks ago | 15:35 |
| huangkai | another major vendor's driver, Pending for final review for weeks | 15:35 |
| flwang1 | personally, i would like to see all the test db can be dropped after test run | 15:35 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: haven't noticed, maybe because I wasn't here several weeks ago =) | 15:36 |
| flwang1 | but therve said it will cause the test run slowly though i didn't buy in that :D | 15:36 |
| flwang1 | flaper87: any comments? ^ | 15:36 |
| flwang1 | huangkai: we're in zaqar meeting | 15:36 |
| flwang1 | huangkai: you should ping ironic guys in ironic channel | 15:37 |
| huangkai | Sorry, wrong timeslot :( | 15:37 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: ^ | 15:37 |
| * vkmc checking Eva-i's bug report | 15:38 | |
| Eva-i | flwang1: I think tests will not be slowed down much, if we'll use tearDownClass(cls) method. | 15:38 |
| ryansb | I agree, I really doubt it would affect performance | 15:38 |
| ryansb | and it would mean I don't have to use my "kill all the mongodb collections" script anymore | 15:39 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: yes | 15:39 |
| vkmc | agree with that | 15:39 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: also aren't tests slowed down by setUp method which bootstraps each time? | 15:40 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: i would mark it as a valid bug and feel free post a patch for review | 15:40 |
| Eva-i | as you may know, setUp() is being called before each execution of test class's method | 15:41 |
| Eva-i | We may use setUpClass(cls) in a test class to bootstrap only once | 15:42 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: we can discuss the details in zaqar channel :) | 15:42 |
| Eva-i | flwang1: okay | 15:42 |
| Eva-i | thank you guys for the feedback | 15:42 |
| Eva-i | we can move to the next topic | 15:43 |
| flwang1 | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
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| flwang1 | i would like to propose a team lunch during tokyo summit if you guys are interested | 15:43 |
| exploreshaifali | sure sure :D | 15:44 |
| Eva-i | :o | 15:44 |
| flwang1 | now zaqar team is using wechat for the team hang out chat tool | 15:44 |
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| exploreshaifali | whaaat? | 15:45 |
| exploreshaifali | I am not in there :/ | 15:45 |
| flwang1 | depends the food taste of summit, we may go for suchi out of the summit hall | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: i'm confused | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | you won't be in tokyo? | 15:46 |
| exploreshaifali | I was talking about wechat | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | exploreshaifali: ah | 15:46 |
| exploreshaifali | haha | 15:46 |
| Eva-i | why wechat? -_- why not something open and secure? | 15:46 |
| flwang1 | just search wechat in app store | 15:46 |
| * exploreshaifali installing it | 15:47 | |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: we was planning to use zaqar to send message but ... | 15:47 |
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| Eva-i | =) | 15:47 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: there are about 1B people are using wechat | 15:48 |
| flwang1 | so it should be secure | 15:48 |
| flwang1 | but yes, it's not open | 15:48 |
| Eva-i | maybe jabber is better? there are many jabber servers and clients for mobile/desktop OSes | 15:49 |
| Eva-i | there are also chats which are called "conferences" | 15:49 |
| flwang1 | Eva-i: will take a look, thanks | 15:50 |
| flwang1 | we will work out a time and send out the time and location after confirmed | 15:51 |
| flwang1 | ok, 9 mins left | 15:51 |
| Eva-i | I know a good jabber server where we can create our chat room. If needed, the server can be created by one of us | 15:51 |
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| flwang1 | Eva-i: if all the other guys want to use jabber, i don't mind ;) | 15:52 |
| flwang1 | okay, thanks everybody for joining today's meeting | 15:53 |
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| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 15:53:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-19-15.00.html | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-19-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-10-19-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 16:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| j^2 | o/ | 16:00 |
| jklare | hi everyone | 16:00 |
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| j^2 | one week+ | 16:01 |
| jklare | any topics from your side j^2 ? | 16:01 |
| j^2 | week! i mean | 16:01 |
| jklare | except for the obvious tokyo :) | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | nope, i’m just stoked for the meetup :D | 16:01 |
| j^2 | I’ve got some interest from the business side of chef to revisit the community cookbooks after summit | 16:02 |
| jklare | cool | 16:02 |
| j^2 | we need to get some better documentation badly to understand how to _build_ everything | 16:02 |
| jklare | jep | 16:02 |
| j^2 | but we’ve made leaps and bounds from where it was last | 16:02 |
| jklare | and we need to make things easier | 16:02 |
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| sc` | \o i'm here | 16:02 |
| jklare | i like your 80/20 idea | 16:02 |
| jklare | hi | 16:03 |
| jklare | so the only topic from my side for today is tokyo | 16:03 |
| jklare | if there is nothing else i would just go ahead and start with it? | 16:04 |
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| sc` | j^2: agreed. there needs to be a step-by-step "here's how you build openstack using chef" | 16:04 |
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| j^2 | if it’s “generic” enough i can add it to docs.chef.io too | 16:04 |
| sc` | i have a couple of topics, but tokyo probably takes priority | 16:05 |
| jklare | #topic tokyo | 16:05 |
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| jklare | sooooo | 16:05 |
| jklare | i put up the etherpads for openstack chef on the design summit site | 16:05 |
| j^2 | yep, I’ve added a couple notes | 16:06 |
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| jklare | can we find a date/time/place for the session of refactoring the cookbooks? | 16:06 |
| jklare | i am basically available most of the time, except for the crossproject meetings | 16:07 |
| jklare | which are mainly on tuesday i think | 16:07 |
| j^2 | yeah same here, so thursday? | 16:07 |
| j^2 | i think thursday is good | 16:07 |
| j^2 | the ops meetup is wednesday? | 16:07 |
| j^2 | that seems right | 16:07 |
| j^2 | yeah thursday all day i can dedicate to this | 16:08 |
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| jklare | ok, how about thursday 1pm? | 16:08 |
| sc` | will be interesting to see what you guys come back with after the summit | 16:09 |
| j^2 | jklare: +1 | 16:09 |
| jklare | j^2 you have any details on the exact location of our table ? | 16:09 |
| j^2 | nope | 16:09 |
| j^2 | just claim one | 16:09 |
| j^2 | reminds me i need to get that thing made | 16:10 |
| j^2 | i’ll make it happen tomorrow | 16:10 |
| jklare | i just wanted to put up a meeting point in that etherpad | 16:10 |
| jklare | hoping that there might be more people interested | 16:10 |
| j^2 | yeah unfortunately ttx never gave me something official, he just said “yep, you can have a shared space table" | 16:11 |
| j^2 | the “space was limited" | 16:11 |
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| jklare | .... | 16:11 |
| jklare | yeah whatever | 16:11 |
| jklare | i will try to make something happen during the sessions on tuesday | 16:12 |
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| j^2 | cool | 16:13 |
| jklare | ok then, anything else for tokyo ? | 16:13 |
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| j^2 | nope, i’m excited to get our velocity up and going again | 16:14 |
| j^2 | and we need to put our salesmanship hats on, we need to grow our community | 16:14 |
| jklare | ^^ me too | 16:14 |
| sc` | +1 | 16:14 |
| j^2 | so we have our Mark and JJ talk, do we have anything else “official?" | 16:15 |
| j^2 | i don’t think we do | 16:15 |
| j^2 | which sucks | 16:15 |
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| jklare | sc` you had some topics? | 16:18 |
| markvan | i'm still working on my tokyo sched, but should be available | 16:19 |
| jklare | great | 16:19 |
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| sc` | yeah, mostly centos related | 16:20 |
| jklare | #topic centos related things | 16:21 |
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| sc` | liberty packages for rdo should be stabilizing this week, i think wednesday | 16:21 |
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| j^2 | rock on | 16:22 |
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| sc` | will revisit the common cookbook after that happens | 16:22 |
| sc` | i have an open bug and review about the keystone wsgi script being named differently between centos and ubuntu | 16:23 |
| sc` | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-chef/+bug/1491479 | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491479 in OpenStack + Chef "[identity] wsgi.py was renamed to keystone.{wsgi,py}" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Samuel Cassiba (scassiba) | 16:24 |
| sc` | doesn't look like ubuntu honors the same naming | 16:24 |
| sc` | that also brings up another topic | 16:25 |
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| sc` | centos packages for liberty deprecated the keystone cli | 16:26 |
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| sc` | i believe last we spoke on this, the consensus was to use python-openstackclient | 16:26 |
| j^2 | yep, we need to move towards it | 16:26 |
| sc` | iirc that blocks progress | 16:27 |
| sc` | will do some more digging and get it on lp | 16:27 |
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| sc` | those are the main things i had | 16:29 |
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| jklare | ok, will you join us remotely on thursday? | 16:30 |
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| jklare | or is it a super bad time | 16:30 |
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| jklare | ? | 16:30 |
| sc` | depends on what time of day it is :) | 16:30 |
| jklare | 1pm in tokyo :) | 16:30 |
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| sc` | i'll see what i can do | 16:31 |
| sc` | should be able to pull something off | 16:31 |
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| jklare | great | 16:32 |
| jklare | anything else we need to discuss? | 16:33 |
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| sc` | i'm good. will continue any discussions on our channel | 16:34 |
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| jklare | ok cool | 16:35 |
| jklare | thanks for attending :) | 16:35 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 16:35:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-10-19-16.00.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-10-19-16.00.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-10-19-16.00.log.html | 16:35 |
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| * jroll wait for it... | 16:57 | |
| devananda | :) | 16:58 |
| thiagop | 2min | 16:58 |
| gabriel | tic tac | 16:58 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 16:59 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 19 17:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| e0ne | hi | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi all, who's here for the ironic meeting? | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| gabriel | I am <o | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jroll | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| betherly | o/ | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| jroll | the summit is next week \o/ | 17:01 |
| mjturek2 | o/ | 17:01 |
| BadCub | hiya folks | 17:01 |
| jroll | design summit schedule is here: | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ironic | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | oh so much packing to do | 17:01 |
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| jroll | I've also created a general etherpad for ironic folks during the summit; links to other pads, dinner info, etc. that is here: | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/summit-mitaka-ironic | 17:02 |
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| jroll | the openstack liberty release went out last week and includes ironic 4.2.0 | 17:02 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | we will release 4.2.1 with a couple fixes tomorrow | 17:02 |
| e0ne | we've got cinder session which will be interesting for ironic too | 17:02 |
| jroll | and last but not least, our gate is broken again \o/ | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 17:03 |
| jroll | e0ne: got links to those specifically? | 17:03 |
| jroll | does anyone else have announcements or reminders? | 17:03 |
| e0ne | i'm trying to find | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: we're just waiting on the revert to land to fix the gate... its already beeen +a'd | 17:03 |
| e0ne | i'll add it to the etherpad | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 17:03 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: afaik yes | 17:04 |
| jroll | e0ne: ty much | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:04 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:04 |
| e0ne | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/schedule/design-summit | 17:04 |
| e0ne | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/7527f39cf51d1eed383d6d890571d589?iframe=yes&w=&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, jroll, neutron fix was merged, waiting for confirmation | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: awesome ++ | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | aka I've rechecked a couple of things | 17:05 |
| e0ne | ooops, ^^ it's not my session | 17:05 |
| gabriel | any confirmation on when the 4.3 will be cut? | 17:05 |
| jroll | cool, thanks dtantsur | 17:05 |
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| jroll | gabriel: not at this time, no | 17:05 |
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| jroll | if there's nothing else... | 17:05 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:06 | |
| jroll | as always, these are located on our whiteboard: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a few minutes to review | 17:06 |
| gabriel | jroll: might it be this week, or are you more for after the summit? | 17:06 |
| rloo | there are 2 critical bugs? | 17:06 |
| jroll | gabriel: after summit, thinking sooner than later | 17:06 |
| thiagop | gabriel: I think there is an item on the agenda to discuss that | 17:06 |
| gabriel | OK | 17:07 |
| gabriel | thanks folks. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Sorry I'm late. Had to reconfigure IRC client to use new ZNC host :( | 17:07 |
| thiagop | or not... | 17:07 |
| rloo | what does critical mean. ironic doesn't work? | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, one is gate break, and one has a patch up | 17:07 |
| jroll | the latter is probably 'high' but it's really nasty if it's there | 17:07 |
| rloo | jroll: just looked. | 17:08 |
| rloo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1506657 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506657 in Ironic "Ironic conductor Hash ring reset needs to be independent of sync_local_state periodic task" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Zhenguo Niu (niu-zglinux) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | I would say it's High, but yeah, pretty nasty | 17:08 |
| thiagop | I've read 'release' instead of 'meeting'. I think I'm a little anxious... :P | 17:08 |
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| devananda | jroll: fwiw, I don't consider that one Critical | 17:10 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, but it got people writing patches :) | 17:10 |
| jroll | I agree | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | :p | 17:10 |
| devananda | heh | 17:10 |
| jroll | betherly: krotscheck: who is the question in the webclient section directed at? | 17:10 |
| * rloo changes all bugs to critical | 17:10 | |
| dtantsur | rloo++ | 17:10 |
| jroll | devananda: rloo I changed it to high | 17:10 |
| rloo | thx jroll | 17:11 |
| devananda | rloo: lol :) | 17:11 |
| jroll | betherly: I'm fine with a horizon panel short term, having any upstream web UI is better than nothing | 17:11 |
| krotscheck | jroll: That's a betherly question | 17:11 |
| betherly | jroll: apologies to not be specific on that. generally yourself/cores of ironic/anyone with strong opinions on the matter | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 17:11 |
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| betherly | jroll: ok great thanks | 17:12 |
| jroll | does anyone disagree there? | 17:12 |
| rloo | betherly: does it mean we/you will have to support both versions later? | 17:12 |
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| * jroll wants to keep moving, lots to talk about today | 17:12 | |
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| jroll | betherly: rloo: maybe take this to the mailing list? :) | 17:13 |
| betherly | rloo: the long term plan is to have a replacement that can replace the horizon panel ultimately but until that is sustainable a horizon panel is required. so longer term no, short term yes | 17:13 |
| devananda | betherly: krotscheck: any sense how "long term" that is? | 17:14 |
| devananda | i mean, are we talking more than one full cycle? | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | devananda: Well, horizon has halted all angular development until they can figure out what the "standards" are. | 17:14 |
| rloo | so yes, could be more than one cycle. | 17:15 |
| devananda | krotscheck: that's ... great | 17:15 |
| betherly | indeed devananda | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | devananda: My best guess? they'll argue about it for a couple of weeks until their internal PM's start asking about shipping features, and then everything will fizzle out and nothing will come of it. | 17:15 |
| devananda | krotscheck: yup | 17:15 |
| devananda | krotscheck: end result of that will be they continue on with the current architecture | 17:16 |
| jroll | can we take this one to the list? | 17:16 |
| jroll | as I suspect it won't be an easy answer, and we're at 10m cap on subteam topics | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: sure, take it to the list | 17:16 |
| jroll | betherly: could you please bring this to the mailing list? thanks in advance! :) | 17:16 |
| devananda | jroll: I'd love to get feedback for krotscheck / betherly re: whether we (the ironic community) want them to continue on a horizon panel or an angular panel | 17:16 |
| jroll | devananda: I would too, I'd also like to get to the other 5 topics :/ | 17:17 |
| devananda | *nod* | 17:17 |
| * jroll timeboxes | 17:17 | |
| * krotscheck has an obvious and easily guessed stance on that. | 17:17 | |
| jroll | #topic When is the next meeting? | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "When is the next meeting? (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:17 | |
| jroll | rloo: that's you | 17:17 |
| rloo | that's my question :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | heh | 17:17 |
| jroll | so clearly we should cancel next week's meeting | 17:18 |
| rloo | i'm thinking we don't want a meeting next monday or the monday after? | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: ++ | 17:18 |
| jroll | do folks want to cancel the one after? | 17:18 |
| devananda | we usually skip the monday meeting right after summit because travel & recovery | 17:18 |
| jroll | I think we should | 17:18 |
| jroll | anyone disagree? | 17:18 |
| * jroll counts down from 30 | 17:18 | |
| jlvillal | lazy consensus says .... | 17:18 |
| thiagop | nope | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | I'm good with canceling | 17:18 |
| * krotscheck is not travelling, so he'll be fresh and ready to go! | 17:18 | |
| dtantsur | I'm on PTO a week after | 17:18 |
| jroll | cool, easy one. | 17:19 |
| jroll | #agreed next meeting will be nov 9 | 17:19 |
| rloo | that decides it. no dtantsur, no meeting! | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ^_^ | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:19 |
| jroll | #topic Review Lenovo driver spec proposal | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Lenovo driver spec proposal (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:19 | |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208319/ | 17:19 |
| jroll | huangkai: that's you | 17:19 |
| huangkai | Thanks | 17:19 |
| jroll | I'm not sure what the question here is | 17:19 |
| huangkai | The driver ran for several review | 17:19 |
| huangkai | no more coming comments tiil now | 17:20 |
| rloo | huangkai: there's a -1. was it addressed? | 17:20 |
| jroll | that's a fresh -1 fwiw | 17:20 |
| huangkai | Hope everyone can look at it and rate if that's not too hard | 17:20 |
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| jroll | huangkai: ok, is there something to be discussed in this meeting? | 17:20 |
| jroll | meeting topics shouldn't be used to ask for reviews | 17:20 |
| huangkai | Not really, just a reminder | 17:20 |
| huangkai | Pending for quite a while | 17:21 |
| jroll | ok, let's save that for open discussion next time | 17:21 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:21 |
| jroll | #topic Ironic and cinder integration proposal | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic and cinder integration proposal (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:21 | |
| huangkai | ok | 17:21 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/223217 | 17:21 |
| jroll | e0ne: you're up | 17:21 |
| e0ne | jroll: thanks | 17:21 |
| e0ne | I've just want to inform ironic community on our (Cinder) initiative | 17:22 |
| e0ne | we're working on attachement w/o nova blueprint | 17:22 |
| e0ne | all API is already present in cinder | 17:22 |
| jroll | excellent :D | 17:23 |
| e0ne | we want to inplement lightweight client for it | 17:23 |
| e0ne | and we need your feedback | 17:23 |
| e0ne | we'll have some session on summit for it, unfortunatlely, I can't find a link now:( | 17:23 |
| jroll | great | 17:24 |
| sambetts | e0ne: attachment inside a tenant instance? | 17:24 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224124/ - here is a spec | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | e0ne: can you add the link to the sessions etherpad when you find it | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | nm | 17:24 |
| e0ne | sambetts: attachment to any instance or a baremetal host | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:24 |
| jroll | AIUI, tl;dr for this is run something like "cinder volume-attach" from within an instance, it will make the correct API calls and such and attach it | 17:25 |
| e0ne | NobodyCam: sure, I'll do it | 17:25 |
| thiagop | wow, that's sounds awesome work | 17:25 |
| jroll | I'd love some ironic eyes on that, it's an important one. previously the APIs used here were "private" so to speak | 17:25 |
| e0ne | jroll: we don't want to do it in a cinderclient | 17:25 |
| e0ne | jroll: to not confuse anyone | 17:25 |
| thiagop | that sounds like awesome work* | 17:25 |
| jroll | e0ne: oh, neat, I was judging by the POC patch :) | 17:26 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: in the proposed nova spec, however we took help from nova in "attaching" the cinder volume | 17:26 |
| e0ne | jroll: it would be a python-brickclient | 17:26 |
| e0ne | jroll: it's an old PoC | 17:26 |
| sambetts | yeah, that looks really cool :D | 17:26 |
| jroll | rameshg87: that spec is boot from volume though, right? | 17:26 |
| rameshg87 | people even have code for changes with ironic virt driver in review | 17:26 |
| e0ne | here is a new one: https://github.com/e0ne/python-brickclient | 17:26 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: yes | 17:26 |
| jroll | rameshg87: yeah, this is just for attaching an existing volume to an existing instance | 17:26 |
| rameshg87 | fyi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215385/ | 17:26 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: oh okay :) | 17:26 |
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| jroll | does anyone have questions/comments/concerns here? | 17:27 |
| devananda | e0ne: sounds awesome for ironic and more generally useful to anyone using cinder volumes, too. thanks! | 17:27 |
| e0ne | thanks for feedback! | 17:28 |
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| e0ne | please, review spec and comment it. any feedback is needed and welcome | 17:28 |
| e0ne | you (ironic) will be a primary user of this feature, so we need to colloborate with each other | 17:28 |
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| jroll | ++ | 17:29 |
| jroll | alright, I'm gonna move on now, thank you much e0ne :D | 17:29 |
| jroll | #topic Brainstorm on mid-cycle locations and possible dates | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brainstorm on mid-cycle locations and possible dates (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:29 | |
| e0ne | jroll: thanks | 17:29 |
| jroll | jlvillal: this is you, 10 minutes enough time? | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | jroll: I would think so. | 17:29 |
| jroll | cool | 17:29 |
| jroll | gopher it | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | Just wondering if people had ideas on locations and dates for the mid-cycle. | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | I don't think we need to come to a decision. | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | But it would be good to get some ideas to propose. | 17:30 |
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| NobodyCam | I hear Palm Springs is nice that time of year | 17:30 |
| BadCub | lol | 17:30 |
| jroll | so, we talked about north america vs europe last week a bit | 17:30 |
| * NobodyCam *ducks* | 17:30 | |
| jlvillal | Seems like there was some interest in Europe. And then of course are typical USA location. | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | please, somewhere slightly warm | 17:30 |
| BadCub | I hear anywhere that I do not have to do the planning is nice that time of year *wg* | 17:30 |
| jroll | heh | 17:31 |
| jroll | so what do folks think is the best way to do this, some sort of poll? | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | Maybe we should think about a good date frame first? | 17:31 |
| BadCub | do we want it state-side or ?? | 17:31 |
| jroll | my open questions are: 1) what dates work for people, and 2) US vs europe vs either | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | Or location first? | 17:31 |
| devananda | last year, I held the "winter" midcycle in europe -- that got rather poor attendance from US companies. not that past experience is a good predictor of future ... | 17:31 |
| rloo | how about asia? | 17:31 |
| huangkai | ++ | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | for me: 1. not overlapping with FOSDEM, 2. not US/UK | 17:32 |
| rloo | did anyone ask the Asians? | 17:32 |
| devananda | jroll: I'd recommend talking with potential host companies | 17:32 |
| * jroll hears NobodyCam has plenty of room to host in his house if we do palm springs | 17:32 | |
| dtantsur | lol | 17:32 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | yep all 948 sq ft of it | 17:33 |
| rloo | might be able to host in toronto canada but not going to check unless we are serious :) | 17:33 |
| * dtantsur has an open Canada visa till spring | 17:33 | |
| jlvillal | I could see an Asian mid-cycle in addition to a non-Asian one. I think attendance from outside of Asia would be sparse. | 17:33 |
| rloo | it is cold in toronto in jan-feb. | 17:33 |
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| NobodyCam | I did hear that HP Galway was looking to host.. but I have nothing concrete on that | 17:33 |
| devananda | where it is held depends a fair bit on what company wants to sponsor hosting it ... | 17:34 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: but... that will be cold :( | 17:34 |
| BadCub | I *could* talk to my overlord, but cold it would be | 17:34 |
| devananda | though those conversations may be better done offline | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | yea | 17:34 |
| jroll | right | 17:34 |
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| jroll | so I'm going to start a couple of polls here: | 17:34 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | maybe we can get a date range here? | 17:34 |
| jroll | and we can go from there after the summit? | 17:34 |
| devananda | and last time I took a poll of "who wants it in europe" the response was much mor epositive than the actual travel funding | 17:34 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:34 |
| rloo | if you guys want CA, i suspect yahoo sunnyvale can host it again :) | 17:34 |
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| NobodyCam | rloo: that is a great location | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:35 |
| BadCub | yeah, taht is an awesome location | 17:35 |
| BadCub | s/taht/that | 17:35 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: just no free cookies this time! | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:35 |
| jroll | rloo: as long as there's free coffee :) | 17:35 |
| BadCub | *frowns* | 17:35 |
| rloo | jroll: that, we have | 17:35 |
| * BadCub like cookies | 17:35 | |
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| jroll | I'll circulate the poll on the mailing list, talk with some folks about venues, and go from there, sound good? | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | I've done these things before at IBM Austin, but Austin mid then Austin for summit = meh | 17:36 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Sounds good to me. | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:36 |
| BadCub | ++ | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | dates first then location | 17:36 |
| rloo | jroll: also, do we want to colocate midcycle with another project? | 17:36 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, agree, that's why I'm not pushing for rackspace venue either | 17:36 |
| jroll | rloo: good question :) | 17:36 |
| jroll | I'll see what nova is doing and make a note, that may be valuable | 17:37 |
| devananda | FYI, Jan 21 is the M2 milestone | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | neutron and cinder are candidates | 17:37 |
| jroll | ditto for neutron/cinder | 17:37 |
| devananda | ++ to colocating | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Nova is: http://doodle.com/poll/88sbzgcv28rww2n3 | 17:37 |
| devananda | jroll: I've had some discussions with the foundation staff previously about them helping to coordinate / arrange a multi-project midcycle | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | two of ten minutes left | 17:37 |
| jroll | devananda: interesting | 17:38 |
| jroll | thanks jlvillal | 17:38 |
| * dtantsur confirms that gate is fixed | 17:38 | |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: w00t | 17:38 |
| sambetts | \o/ | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | :D | 17:38 |
| jroll | alright, I'll shoot a mail out later today, everyone good with moving on? | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: + | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Works for me. Thanks. | 17:39 |
| jroll | cool, thanks for bringing it up jlvillal | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:39 |
| jroll | #topic Driver documentation | 17:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Driver documentation (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:39 | |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077132.html | 17:39 |
| * rameshg87 is here half sleepy | 17:39 | |
| jroll | rameshg87: you have the floor | 17:39 |
| jroll | :) | 17:39 |
| rameshg87 | i don't want to take too much time. if people prefer discussing this outside meeting, i have no objections moving on. | 17:39 |
| rameshg87 | here are the concerns re-iterated: | 17:40 |
| rameshg87 | 1) documentation patches take longer time to merge, obviously treated just like other code patches. | 17:40 |
| rameshg87 | 2) don't want to take time from other reviewers for hardware specific documentation | 17:40 |
| rameshg87 | 3) it is almost impossible to update the documentation on stable branches | 17:40 |
| rameshg87 | stable branches information is important to be updated because it is kilo documentation that people ask right now (in beginning of mitaka) | 17:40 |
| * rameshg87 is done with copy-paste :) | 17:40 | |
| rameshg87 | thoughts anyone ? feel free to reply to mailing list | 17:40 |
| jroll | so my biggest question: one concern is docs take "too long" to merge. what timeframe is expected/desired? | 17:41 |
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| jroll | (this was also asked in the thread) | 17:41 |
| rameshg87 | probably 1 day or two unless there are pending concerns from reviewers ? | 17:41 |
| * rloo already replied to mailing list | 17:41 | |
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| rameshg87 | I just saw the reply just before the meeting | 17:41 |
| rameshg87 | sorry | 17:41 |
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| rloo | rameshg87: no worries :) | 17:41 |
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| jroll | rameshg87: what's the need for a one day turnaround time? | 17:42 |
| rloo | rameshg87: don't the doc patches typically take 1-2 days unless there are pending concerns? | 17:42 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: no strict requirements, but why keep it open for so long :) | 17:42 |
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| rloo | rameshg87: it just seems to me that there are usually pending concerns | 17:42 |
| jroll | rameshg87: I mean, that goes for all patches then right? | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | your proposal still requires at least one core... | 17:43 |
| rameshg87 | rloo: not necessarily. | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | when you have one +2, gaining the 2nd is not that hard. I personally try to prioritize patches with good feedback | 17:43 |
| jroll | I'm 100% against the wiki, and mostly against a separate repo. multiple sources of truth for docs makes for a horrible user experience | 17:43 |
| jroll | I'd also love to see examples of problematic patches that are driving this desire | 17:44 |
| krtaylor | how do other projects handle vendor driver documentation? wouldn't putting it in the wiki instead fix this? | 17:44 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: rloo: I agree talking about timeframe when it should be merged is a hard thing | 17:44 |
| rameshg87 | rloo: jroll: another thing is stable branches (which I missed in the email) | 17:44 |
| rloo | krtaylor: i'm for wiki so vendors can document what they want and as long as we aren't responsible for their documentation | 17:44 |
| rameshg87 | dtantsur: yes, thanks, I think most people do that. | 17:44 |
| jroll | krtaylor: 1) anyone can edit the wiki, someone could come replace the entire doc with "throw your ilo server away and buy xxx instead"; 2) no quality control, at all; 3) two sources of truth | 17:44 |
| rloo | rameshg87: the stable branch thing is a different issue | 17:45 |
| jroll | rameshg87: the stable thing should be taken up with stable maintenance folks | 17:45 |
| krtaylor | jroll, true, but it doesn't happen in practice | 17:45 |
| jroll | krtaylor: 2 and 3 do | 17:45 |
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| krtaylor | agreed, but then vendors control the docs | 17:45 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt 2, that's what they're basically asking for. not much/no quality control except by themselves. | 17:46 |
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| jroll | rloo: right, I think that's going to make for a poor user experience, in addition to multiple sources of truth | 17:46 |
| krtaylor | sources are a good point, but maybe that can be a link pointing to the specific driver docs? | 17:46 |
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| dtantsur | FWIW I see a lot of useful comments on the vendor docs each time, so I believe moving it to wiki will lower the quality | 17:46 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: wanted to avoid the two sources of truth as well. | 17:46 |
| jroll | dtantsur++ | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I tend to believe in the points you jaut made :) | 17:47 |
| rloo | jroll: we already have multiple sources of documentation. i agree, there shouldn't be multiple sources of Truth, but I think that can be dealt with. | 17:47 |
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| jroll | I do want to investigate what other projects do, and perhaps the single +2 thing might be fine | 17:47 |
| rloo | dtantsur: why do you think moving it to wiki will lower the quality? | 17:47 |
| jroll | rloo: O_o where? | 17:47 |
| wanyen | jroll, thechallenge that vendor driver owner face was taht the vendor driver features usally are ranked lower priority and hence code will merge late in the release cycle. It leads very little time for author to write doc and for review process. | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | rloo, because "I see a lot of useful comments on the vendor docs each time" | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | if one source, then I think it should stay with the same review process | 17:48 |
| rloo | jroll: that was a general comment. eg, we have our intree docs, the configs are described via the docs folks. | 17:48 |
| devananda | wanyen has a point. how can we fast-track the vendor docs once their driver (changes) have landed? | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | Is being less stringent on vendor docs a no-go? Requiring only one core to approve? | 17:48 |
| wanyen | so for Liberty iLO doc is not even merged to the liberty stable branch | 17:48 |
| jroll | devananda: wanyen: honestly, we shouldn't be landing code like that without docs. | 17:48 |
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| jroll | I think that's the real fix to wanyen's problem statement. | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | jroll, ++ | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | jroll has a good answer to this question: require docs with patches | 17:49 |
| devananda | jroll: I often see the docs in a separate patch | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | it also simplifies life for reviewers, to be honest | 17:49 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, I didn't say we're doing it right today | 17:49 |
| devananda | jroll: and I'm fine with that. different folks are better at reviewing docs vs. code some times | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | maybe some type of tag added to the comment message "Doc update for Landed code changes"? | 17:49 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I see that all the time. doesn't seem to help | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | :/ | 17:49 |
| rloo | jroll: i disagree with having one patch that includes doc + code. | 17:49 |
| rloo | jroll: we don't always have one patch that implements a feature. | 17:50 |
| jroll | rloo: why? code isn't very usable without docs | 17:50 |
| jroll | in that case, put it at the end of the chain | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: I agree with rloo | 17:50 |
| rloo | jroll: and sometimes docs are written/need iterations. most time. | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: it often is | 17:50 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: it could be last patch in the chain | 17:50 |
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| rloo | jroll: preventing code from landing means more rebasing etc. | 17:50 |
| jroll | I tend to think if it's in the chain it will get noticed | 17:50 |
| devananda | jroll: that is exactly what i've seen driver authors do during the last cycle | 17:50 |
| rloo | jroll: at the end of the chain works for me. | 17:50 |
| rloo | jroll: but that's basically what they are doing. adding doc patches at the end of the chain. | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: have you seen success with that approch? | 17:51 |
| jroll | rloo: okay, maybe I was mistaken then | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll: honestly, if i see doc patches that are ok, i +2. maybe i am being too picky but if folks want their patches to land quicker, maybe they should spend more time or whatever to get it up to a better level. | 17:51 |
| jroll | I still want to see examples of problematic patches | 17:51 |
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| krtaylor | honestly, in my experience, ironic reviews/lands doc patches quickly compared with other projects | 17:52 |
| wanyen | jroll, some features are inter-related and require some re-org to the overall doc so it's going to be hard to do code+patch | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | just fyi: 8 minutes left | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, maybe we should not demand it really... but if you want it to get in faster, having one patch is often better | 17:52 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: i disagree. unless the doc changes are well written. otherwise, it'll delay the entire patch. | 17:53 |
| gabriel | rloo++ | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and if the doc changes are well written, it doesn't matter if they are in the same patch as code, or in a separate patch. | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | 2 delayed patches take more time, than 1 delayed | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | you're assuming that doc and code -1's will go sequentially | 17:54 |
| sambetts | this only works for inital doc/code lands too, for doc updates/interations we'd still have the issue | 17:54 |
| rloo | dtantsur: no. but i've seen in the past where someone has doc + code, and the code is ready to go but the doc isn't. | 17:54 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so we iterate over the doc, and the code then has to be rebased in the meantime. | 17:54 |
| gabriel | I think verndors have enough incentives to have good documentation. Putting that on one pach just because there should be docs with the respective code does not help having better documentation. | 17:55 |
| rameshg87 | okay, may be coming back to some resolution | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | rloo, " the code is ready to go but the doc isn't" why do you think it happens often? I usually see the opposite.. | 17:56 |
| jroll | no, but it does help us to ship docs with the code | 17:56 |
| rloo | dtantsur: cuz developers can't write very well? | 17:56 |
| jroll | I feel like we should take this back to the mailing list | 17:56 |
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| rloo | jroll: I agree. back to mailing list please. | 17:56 |
| gabriel | the more locks for having code in, the harder will be to contribute, the less we are going to have contributions in general | 17:56 |
| jroll | code isn't done until there are docs for it. | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | I wonder how soon we'll end up with separate patches for unit tests.. | 17:57 |
| rameshg87 | okay, please share your thoughts on mailing list | 17:57 |
| jroll | wanyen: rameshg87: can you please provide examples of patches where you have experienced this problem, on the mailing list? | 17:57 |
| rameshg87 | jroll: ack | 17:57 |
| jroll | actually, I'll reply with that question | 17:57 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:57 |
| jroll | #topic Open Discussion | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:57 | |
| jroll | two minutes :P | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ? do you think we should ask for bits of doc related to each individual patch for a feature? | 17:57 |
| jroll | keep talking about docs or anything else | 17:57 |
| wanyen | jroll: I am having problem that iLo dirver doc is still under review and not merge to Liberty branch | 17:58 |
| BadCub | no results from my searches for a venue for a dinner | 17:58 |
| jroll | wanyen: the stable branch thing is a separate topic | 17:58 |
| gabriel | jroll: I agree with you on that. I just think that growing the community is more important than having the right docs right there right then. | 17:58 |
| huangkai | only one reminder: spare some time for Lenovo driver spec with comments (especially cores), thanks :p | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | rloo, that would be awesome, to be honest.. | 17:58 |
| wanyen | jroll: but it ties to the entire vedor's driver review process | 17:58 |
| wanyen | I eant doc review process | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, most of the folks do not have rights to approve stable/* changes | 17:58 |
| rloo | wanyen: wrt the ilo driver doc. i had asked whether we wanted that patch in stable/liberty or whether we were ok having it on master, and no one seemed to think it is a high priority to get into stable/liberty. | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | but yeah, it's the whole different topic | 17:59 |
| jroll | wanyen: "no doc changes" is a stable branch rule which I do not control | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | really good meeting ... thanks to everyone | 18:00 |
| jroll | ^ | 18:00 |
| rloo | jroll: we could have tried to get that ilo doc into liberty but we don't typically do that for docs cuz we didn't know we have docs for each release. | 18:00 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| gabriel | thank you | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 18:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| jroll | have a good one y'all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-10-19-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-10-19-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| rameshg87 | have a good day everyone | 18:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-10-19-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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