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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizon | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 12:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 12:00 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 12:00 |
| fnordahl | o/ | 12:00 |
| tmazur | o/ | 12:00 |
| tsufiev | o| | 12:01 |
| bradjones___ | o/ | 12:01 |
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| david-lyle | hi folks | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | we are at L-3 tomorrow | 12:02 |
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| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-3 is what it's looking like so far | 12:02 |
| david-lyle | that's a fair departure from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-horizon-liberty-priorities | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-3 | 12:04 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-horizon-liberty-priorities | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | but significant progress was made on made items in the priority list | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | I expect a few FFE | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | but I don't know which yet | 12:05 |
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| david-lyle | One thing that is almost finished is Django 1.8 support | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | we have support in both d-o-a and horizon and g-r now allows 1.8 | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to release d-o-a one more time to pull in the requirements.txt changes | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | and hopefully get a little WebSSO refresh | 12:06 |
| david-lyle | that should happen in the next couple of days | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | I would also like to advertise trove and sahara reviews | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | I've spent a fair amount of time merging several of those | 12:08 |
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| david-lyle | and | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-reviews-in-horizon | 12:08 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-reviews-in-horizon | 12:08 |
| david-lyle | I start on the first trove patch but it's 1700 lines | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | but has been around for over a year now and still not merged | 12:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | 1700 lines is never going to be reviewed :/ | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | close eyes and merge )) | 12:09 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | lol | 12:09 |
| masco | :) | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I'm still working through it | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | honestly I'd rather see 1700 lines and a complete feature than 200 lines of a stub | 12:10 |
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| david-lyle | but maybe that's just me | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | but 1700 lines is difficult to review for sure | 12:10 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | scientists (well, this one guy) have proven that patches over 400 lines don't get reviewed | 12:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I saw it on twitter, it must be true) | 12:11 |
| bradjones___ | speaking of patches that have been around for a while it would be great to get the curvature work in liberty | 12:11 |
| bradjones___ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141078/ | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | and doc patches get over reviewed | 12:11 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, should Horizon cores just ensure that the contrib/ stuff doesn't break Horizon and that's all? (with the rest being checked by service team) | 12:11 |
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| fnordahl | the fact that doc patches get over reviewed probably has to do with the bikeshed-theory (http://bikeshed.com) :-) | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I like to do a little more diligence than that, but some things I can't test really well | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | bradjones___: I've been watching that, had a couple -1s for a while | 12:14 |
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| david-lyle | I think that may be worthy of a FFE, should it come to it | 12:14 |
| bradjones___ | david-lyle: have been moving house past week but addressed those issues this morning so I hope it is good to go now | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | bradjones___: no worries | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | life happens | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | :) | 12:15 |
| bradjones___ | david-lyle: :) | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | any thing else people have on their minds that would warrant a FFE? | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | (Feature Freeze Exception) | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | a bp merging after L-3 | 12:16 |
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| david-lyle | Other release item: translations | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | unlike other services, our string freeze will be RC-1 | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | and then merge the final strings in RC-2 | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | as we do very little without string changes | 12:18 |
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| david-lyle | So as a reminder, once we tag L-3, master will be closed to features not granted a FFE | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | I will most likely go -2 a ton of patches as usual because the tools are inadequate to control this | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | bug fixes are still ok | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | for RC-2 the criteria for merging a bug fix will be higher | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215196/ is a bugfix, but most likely it will include a minor UI change | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | piecharts for disabled quotas | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | once RC-1 is tagged, a release branch will be made and master will be open for Mitaka work again. | 12:20 |
| tsufiev | would love to land it in Liberty because as of now it's one of our blockers for Launch Instance NG | 12:21 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: I've added it to my list, will add to RC-1 as well | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, thanks | 12:22 |
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| david-lyle | ok, I think that covers release items | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | any questions/concerns? | 12:22 |
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| mrunge | what about enabling new launch instance as default? | 12:24 |
| mrunge | if it's not already? | 12:24 |
| mrunge | I haven't checked it lately | 12:24 |
| * ducttape_ can of worms | 12:24 | |
| mrunge | :D | 12:25 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, btw, the above bug is the exact reason we didn't so in our distro :) | 12:25 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, we don't either | 12:25 |
| ducttape_ | I think we'd want more time to flush out bugs and ux issues before it is the default | 12:25 |
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| tsufiev | ducttape_, is there some kind of actual bugs and ux issues for Launch Instance NG? | 12:26 |
| mrunge | the issue is, we're sending quite unclear signals to projects basing on horizon | 12:26 |
| tsufiev | *some kind of list | 12:26 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, I'd say, that depends on who you're asking ;-) | 12:27 |
| ducttape_ | tsufiev - coworkers that have complained to me, I asked for bugs. I *think* there are bugs for items | 12:27 |
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| mrunge | I don't think launchpad supports something like tracker bugs | 12:27 |
| ducttape_ | mrunge - unclear signals just b/c of launch instance? | 12:27 |
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| mrunge | ducttape_, uhm, unclear about the direction | 12:28 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, well, we could use tags for maintaining this list | 12:28 |
| mrunge | I have been asked again and again, what happens with plugins based on python code | 12:28 |
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| ducttape_ | mrunge - I think that is unfortunate, but probably natural. we are still trying to find the best way to add ng based features | 12:28 |
| mrunge | it's somehow clear we're deprecating that | 12:29 |
| ducttape_ | python is a known thing, and I think it will be around for M and maybe N releases even | 12:29 |
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| ducttape_ | (my $.02) | 12:29 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, yes; that's my understanding, and I agree | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | ok my connection failed silently I believe | 12:30 |
| ducttape_ | we are in the middle right now, and have a mix. it's weird | 12:30 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, like the whole thing with python2 and python3? | 12:30 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, when did your connection drop? | 12:30 |
| ducttape_ | exactly tsufiev ;) | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | I think about 12:24 UTC | 12:31 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, we were unclear about new launch instance becoming default | 12:31 |
| ducttape_ | talking about python vs ng - what do plugins do | 12:31 |
| mrunge | yes, exactly that | 12:31 |
| david-lyle | I don't think the new launch instance is ready | 12:31 |
| ducttape_ | right, I think most people in the room agree then | 12:32 |
| * tsufiev feels guilty for not paying enough attention to reviewing angular stuff in horizon | 12:32 | |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I believe, we agree here | 12:32 |
| mrunge | I would expect a different picture at 20:00 UTC | 12:32 |
| ducttape_ | lol | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | there was a fix to static_url that made some progress, but otherwise it was largely neglected after the late Kilo push | 12:32 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, it would be great to define some criteria of 'readiness' for it | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | I probably haven't recorded that tsufiev | 12:33 |
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| mrunge | and I think we need to talk about deprecation of plugins in python | 12:33 |
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| david-lyle | There are is a couple of areas where we lack parity with the existing interface | 12:33 |
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| david-lyle | still | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | the first page needs to be split | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | the transfer tables could use a redesign (wish list) | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | and support for add network should be added | 12:34 |
| ducttape_ | I think we want to look at tables again, to see if what we have is ideal. before we go follow that pattern 20 times | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | while add network is above existing functionality that's one of the main reasons we started the rewrite road | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | alleviating dead ends in the wizard | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | we still have all the same dead ends | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | I think part of what's missing is, we aren't rewriting to prove it can be done, of that I have no doubt | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | we are rewriting things to improve on them | 12:36 |
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| david-lyle | as far as plugins, I think angular only as a plugin path is going to be a tough sell | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | unless we have a great story around how easy it is to build them | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | we are not there yet | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | I probably echoed other people because I dropped | 12:38 |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_: I think the tables are getting closer, the transfer tables are still a work in progress | 12:40 |
| mrunge | would that be a topic for next summit? | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | and overused I think | 12:40 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: which? | 12:40 |
| ducttape_ | how to move a table to ng | 12:41 |
| ducttape_ | that would be like 80% of the work | 12:41 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, readiness of new launch instance? etc? | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: definitely | 12:41 |
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| * ducttape_ has to drop, thanks all | 12:41 | |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: I think we'll have a story by then | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | thanks ducttape_ | 12:42 |
| ducttape_ | good :D | 12:42 |
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| mrunge | when putting this up, I've been asked several times, how to deal with plugins based on python | 12:42 |
| mrunge | we need to have something like a deprecation timeline | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, +1 | 12:42 |
| mrunge | or how we'll act on that, even if we don't know exact dates | 12:43 |
| zhenguo | agree, many plugins use python now | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | other PTL need to plan in advance | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: do we need to deprecate python plugins? I think we're a long way off from that being a need | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | so they need to allocate some time for rewriting horizon-based plugins | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | and if I tell Sahara to go rewrite all their stuff in angular, I think they may tell me to go stuff myself | 12:44 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, it's more the message, we need to deliver to dependent projects | 12:44 |
| mrunge | and to give them some timeline | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I suspect that if python in horizon is going to be deprecated in some _indefinite_ time, Horizon users will postpone learning NG for the same _indefinite_ time :) | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | or, sorry, not Python, I meant Django views | 12:45 |
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| david-lyle | my problem is, I can't in good faith tell someone to start an angular based plugin now | 12:46 |
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| david-lyle | there are a couple who have started | 12:46 |
| mrunge | I have the feeling, if we had a message, krotscheck wouldn't started something completely new | 12:47 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: no the use case is different | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | ironic wants standalone | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | you can run ironic without openstack | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | like swift | 12:48 |
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| zhenguo | yeah, I propose an ironic-dashboard, but finally droped :( | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | so a pure horizon plugin doesn't meet their needs | 12:48 |
| mrunge | true | 12:49 |
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| zhenguo | for ironic, should we support that in horizon, like disable some unsupported ironic hypervisor actions? | 12:50 |
| mrunge | zhenguo, not sure. | 12:50 |
| zhenguo | by default, ironic devstack not enable horizon now | 12:50 |
| mrunge | this was discussed more than once, zhenguo | 12:51 |
| mrunge | it's likely the same as with tuskar-ui | 12:51 |
| mrunge | you'd be configuring underlying hardware | 12:51 |
| mrunge | this is not horizons focus | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | I think the aim was for the ironic webclient work to have reusable bits that might be leveraged in Horizon, but I'd like to know the use case where the ironic driver in nova doesn't meet the needs of users | 12:52 |
| zhenguo | mrunge: ok got it | 12:52 |
| mrunge | that being said, I still believe we have some experience or knowledge around that | 12:52 |
| mrunge | and it will probably fit better in horizon than ... zaquar? | 12:53 |
| zhenguo | david-lyle: please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215419/ | 12:53 |
| mrunge | not trying to fingerpoint to a specific project | 12:53 |
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| david-lyle | zhenguo: that makes sense to me | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | but again that's an interaction with nova | 12:54 |
| zhenguo | david-lyle: yeah | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | added to my list | 12:54 |
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| zhenguo | does it make sense to use another policy file to disable some unsupported ironic actions? | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | zhenguo: I don't think policy is the right mechanism | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | as you need an API call result to determine support | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | I think logic in the code is the best answer | 12:56 |
| zhenguo | ok, agree | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | 4 minutes left, any other topics | 12:56 |
| tsufiev | integration tests again broken, now because of some change in cinder (most likely) | 12:58 |
| * tsufiev starting to think about testing horizon against less fluid openstack | 12:58 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | ugh, yeah | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | what changed in cinder? the client? | 12:59 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, some issue related to getting the quotas, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219620/2 fixes that | 12:59 |
| fnordahl | well, actually. I beleive the fault is our error checking | 13:00 |
| fnordahl | I am working on it right now. | 13:00 |
| fnordahl | coming with a new patchset with a more specific except line | 13:00 |
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| tsufiev | fnordahl, but it was working before, which implies that something changed in cinder as well | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | ok, time's up, but the fragile nature of the integration tests is something we need to discuss at the summit | 13:01 |
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| david-lyle | I know tsufiev has already been working on it, but we may need something more drastic | 13:01 |
| mrunge | can we get horizon integration tests running in other projects? | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone! | 13:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:02 |
| mrunge | like another gate job in e.g keystoneclient and other? | 13:02 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: maybe? | 13:02 |
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| david-lyle | really they could be scenario tests in tempest | 13:02 |
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| fabiog | rhochmuth: start meeting? | 14:06 |
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| rhochmuth | in an hour | 14:06 |
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| bklei_ | i get confused during daylight savings, i think it's only 1400 UTC | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | 1500 UTC | 14:06 |
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| bklei_ | right, i meant now | 14:07 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: ok, thanks | 14:07 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 15:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| fabiog | o/ | 15:00 |
| jimbaker | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Roll call | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 0/ | 15:00 |
| ddieterly | o? | 15:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
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| Martin____ | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | don't follow me, my typing skills are bad | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:01 |
| bklei_ | good morning | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | welcome to irc | 15:01 |
| bmotz | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | i've added some agenda items at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | please add, but we'll also have an open discussion too | 15:02 |
| bklei_ | bueno | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | so first topic is that fujitsu code | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | congratulation fujitsu | 15:02 |
| bklei_ | +1 | 15:02 |
| witek | thank you! :) | 15:02 |
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| Martin____ | thanks :) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Deklan got that all tested and merged yesterday | 15:02 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, sounds good. maybe we can talk briefly about blueflood, our opensourced time series cassandra integration at rackspace, but alex scammon is on vacation this week | 15:03 |
| Martin____ | that's great news | 15:03 |
| fabiog | Martin____: great work! | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | ok jim | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | note, there was a bug that craig found with timezone conversion | 15:03 |
| ddieterly | yea, the caveat is that there was some bugs in the code concerning time zones and dates | 15:03 |
| Martin____ | @fabiog actually I didn't do a single line of coding :) | 15:03 |
| witek | we will investigate that | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | ok, let us know if you need more info | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure if bug was opened in launchpad | 15:04 |
| bklei_ | question on fujitsu merge -- should i wait to pull in for timezone fix, or are those bugs only logging related | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | but we should do that | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure of the details. | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | deklan do you have more info | 15:04 |
| ddieterly | @bklei_ only hibernate related; should not impact twc | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | correct, sorry brad, misunderstood the question | 15:05 |
| bklei_ | so only related to new code, i'm itching to pull in the new schema and get that out of the way | 15:05 |
| ddieterly | yea, only new code path | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | yes, you should test first, and look at the migrations that were done | 15:05 |
| bklei_ | so question -- new monasca-api, persister and ? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | threshold engine and monasca common | 15:05 |
| ddieterly | not persister; just thresh and api/common | 15:06 |
| bklei_ | ok perfect | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | yes, don't forget monasca-common | 15:06 |
| bklei_ | will do | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | note, the nofication engine, Python code, was done a while ago | 15:06 |
| bklei_ | ok | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i'm guessing you've already picked that up | 15:06 |
| bklei_ | not for about a month | 15:07 |
| bklei_ | or more | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | everything should be compatible, so no config changes should be required | 15:07 |
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| bklei_ | cool | 15:07 |
| ddieterly | *should* | 15:07 |
| bklei_ | will pull in ^^ this week and test | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | are we done with that topic | 15:07 |
| bklei_ | are for me | 15:07 |
| ddieterly | sure | 15:07 |
| witek | for me too, thanks | 15:08 |
| Martin____ | ok.. Brad, just let us know if you encounter any problems | 15:08 |
| bklei_ | will do, thx for the migration path | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i think there is a way to do topics in irc, but i don't know it yet | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | let's talk about performance at twc | 15:08 |
| bmotz | sorry - bit late to this, but which projects has the Fujitsu code gone into | 15:08 |
| bmotz | ? | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | brad, what would you like talk about | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | bmotz, monasca-api, thresh, common | 15:09 |
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| ddieterly | bmotz: monasca-api, monasca-common, ansible-monasca-schema, monasca-thres | 15:09 |
| ddieterly | it is all java code with compatible schema changes | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | bklei_ what would you like to do to address performance in terms of planning | 15:09 |
| bklei_ | my perf issue is a straightforward use case, just display the default libvirt metrics in a graph, on a project with more than a couple instances, unusable | 15:09 |
| bmotz | thanks | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | by couple, do you mean 2, or 20 | 15:10 |
| bklei_ | i'm out of 'low hanging fruit' ideas, would like to do a focused whiteboard session, demonstrate the use case | 15:10 |
| ddieterly | can u just set up a meeting? | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | besides deklan and me does anyone else want to attend? | 15:11 |
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| bklei_ | sure, can do desktop share meeting | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | if it is just deklan and me, we could to a physical meeting, but if others want to be invovled, can do desktop sharing | 15:11 |
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| bklei_ | ok -- if others want to join, ping me. what day is good for roland and deklan? | 15:12 |
| Martin____ | NICK mroderus | 15:12 |
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| deklan | this friday | 15:12 |
| bklei_ | got it Martin____ | 15:12 |
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| bklei_ | friday works | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | firday | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | after 11, hp or twc | 15:13 |
| rbak | bklei_: I wouldn't mind being part of that meeting, but I could always come down for that if you want to have the meeting in person. | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | ok, let's take this off-line then | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | and discuss separately | 15:13 |
| bklei_ | in person would be better, will do | 15:14 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I am interested | 15:14 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: please | 15:14 |
| bklei_ | ok - can share desktop for fabiog if we meet physically | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | time for next topic? | 15:15 |
| deklan | yea | 15:15 |
| bklei_ | good for me | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | Tokyo sessions: | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | Congrats to Fabio and Martin! | 15:15 |
| deklan | +1 | 15:15 |
| bklei_ | +1 for roland too | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | nice | 15:15 |
| mroderus | thanks! looks like Monasca is well represented this time | 15:15 |
| deklan | they're just in it for the sushi | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | and sake | 15:16 |
| witek | # /topic Update on Tokyo Summit sessions that were accepted and preparation. | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | yes, there is quite a bit of momentum | 15:16 |
| fabiog | yes, we have a good representation | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | three session in total | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | martin, you and i should start preparing | 15:16 |
| bklei_ | wish i was going, will watch online | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i've got some slides in my head, | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | maybe get together to discuss soon off-line | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | some chance i will go. but otherwise look forward to seeing online | 15:17 |
| mroderus | yes, let's have that discussion off-line | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 15:18 |
| mroderus | Monasca is also mentioned in two other sessions | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | what sessions were those | 15:18 |
| mroderus | http://sched.co/49vh | 15:18 |
| mroderus | http://sched.co/49tn | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | Cool, looks like a TWC session | 15:19 |
| bklei_ | adam's been pushing swift data into monasca for a swift service dashboard here at TWC, very cool | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | the auto-scaling one i believe is from hp | 15:19 |
| bklei_ | nice, sweet feature | 15:20 |
| mroderus | yes, Matt Young. That sessions also sounds interesting | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | ok, next tpoic? | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | governance application | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | there have been some recent updates | 15:21 |
| deklan | can we ask that people please +1 the submission if they already have not? | 15:21 |
| witek | http://sched.co/49uq | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | see, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213183/ | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | they are doing a roll call, and it is up for discussion at the next governance meeting i beleive | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i'll need to check the agenda | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | if anyone has comments to add, i think that is ok too | 15:22 |
| bklei_ | good responses thus far roland | 15:23 |
| bklei_ | for reading after this meeting http://www.eweek.com/cloud/openstack-moves-from-integrated-release-to-big-tent-model.html | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | so, i plan to address Hay's other comments with an update today or tomorrow | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | we have an eweek article? | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | no way | 15:23 |
| bklei_ | not mentioned explicitly, but definitely relates to our current submission | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | do you guys want my autograph | 15:24 |
| bklei_ | signed headshot | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | tattoo | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, unless anyone has further questions on governance, then let's move on | 15:25 |
| bklei_ | thx for keeping that moving | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | welcome | 15:25 |
| mroderus | yeah, great work Roland! | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | next topic is collaboration with Ceilometer | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | there are two promosing areas right right now | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | alarm engine (Aodh in Ceilometer land) and data collection componetization | 15:26 |
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| jimbaker | rhochmuth, are they planning to rewrite aodh? | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | in terms of a new streaming engine? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | i think it is a start | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | yes, they want to support streaming | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | so, i review Aodh last week | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | in general, for a pure python implementation, it seems like a good start | 15:28 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: Gordon mentioned that NEC is pushing for this solution | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | but not streaming. | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | yes, NEC is very interested | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | i went through the existing codebase last week and it does seem to have some hard coded dependencies | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | we need to meet with them | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | correct, jimbaker | 15:28 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: did NEC already submitted a patch somewhere? cdent ? | 15:28 |
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| cdent | there's is event based alarming pending | 15:28 |
| jimbaker | we need to move away from an eventlet model at the very least | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog, i'm not aware of anything | 15:29 |
| * cdent locates the review | 15:29 | |
| rhochmuth | so, jimbaker, you are interested in this topic? | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, yeah, sorry i saw the email, but i didn't have a chance to respond | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | but definitely | 15:29 |
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| cdent | here's one of them: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200974/ | 15:29 |
| fabiog | cdent: thanks | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | cdent, ok, i'll review off-line, if that's ok | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | thanks! | 15:30 |
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| cdent | here's the whole set: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/event-alarm-evaluator,n,z | 15:30 |
| cdent | all merged up now | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | great, will look at that too | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i think my clone of the repo predates this | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, so any streaming design should be supportable on map/reduce; support multiple tenants; and be able to globally consolidate information | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | jimbaker, yes that is what i think would work too | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | (ie, what we see in storm and the current monasca work) | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, but i'm not pushing storm | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | i would like to see a new python alarm engine | 15:32 |
| jimbaker | sure, only as supporting infrastructure. although on spark streaming ideally | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | i think spark is a good basis | 15:32 |
| deklan | jimbaker: why spark ideally? | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | i was goiing to prototype a very crude alarm engine in Spark, just to see what it looked like | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | deklan, better integration with kafka, cassandra; exactly once processing for reliable dashboards | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | i could possible even use the Aodh in that, ideally | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | deklan says i'm all talk | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, there might be some core that we could extract | 15:33 |
| jimbaker | ;) | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that is what i'm hoping for | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, action items then is to follow up with gordon, Ildikó, nec and others | 15:35 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, do you want to spend a day working on this together? i have some availability next week (tues or wed). of after i get back from vacation | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, i could do that, | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | how about the following week | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | cdent are you interested in working on aodh too? | 15:36 |
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| jimbaker | sounds good. next wed is probably best, but tues is also workable | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | i can't to wed, let's talk off-line, and see what works bext then | 15:36 |
| cdent | rhochmuth: I already do, at least from a review standpoint. I haven't done much in the way of features, but I tend to manage all its devstack-related stuff. | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | cdent ok | 15:37 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, ack | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | cdent i'll send an email and we can coordinate with ceilometer folks too | 15:37 |
| * cdent will look out for it | 15:38 | |
| rhochmuth | and will review the nec stuff off-line | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | cdent ok | 15:38 |
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| jimbaker | rhochmuth, do you have blueprints or other info on NEC? | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | jimbaker, sorry i don't | 15:38 |
| cdent | jimbaker: this of any use: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ceilometer-specs/specs/liberty/event-alarm-evaluator.html | 15:39 |
| cdent | ? | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | but, the reviews posted are for NEC, i beleive? | 15:39 |
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| jimbaker | rhochmuth, that looks useful. i will have to read in depth! | 15:39 |
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| jimbaker | i rather not have to speculate on what they might do. easier to read the ideas :) | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | ok, any other pressing agenda items, before jim talks about bleflood? | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | bugs, code commits, reviews??? | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | jimbaker i believe the floor is yours, unless someone has got anything else | 15:41 |
| deklan | rhochmuth: please +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218495/ | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, thanks | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | blueflood is a timeseries database for metrics that wraps cassandra. it is opensourced under an apache license | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | we are currently ingesting 100K metrics/second | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | we support kafka, scribe, statsd, and REST for metrics | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | that's pretty good | 15:42 |
| bklei_ | how's query performance? any numbers there? | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | then also support auto aggregation at 5 min, 60 min, 240 min, and 1 day intervals | 15:43 |
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| deklan | jimbaker: are you suggesting that we incorporate blueflood into monasca? | 15:43 |
| jimbaker | bklei_, i don't have that at my fingertips... would like to have alex scammon here to discuss, and he will be here next week | 15:43 |
| jimbaker | but it is quite reasonable | 15:44 |
| bklei_ | sweet, very interested in that | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | yes, he was interested in doing this | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | we also have grafana integration | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | although not yet 2.x | 15:44 |
| bklei_ | what's the authentication story for grafana/blueflood integration? | 15:45 |
| bklei_ | keystone? | 15:45 |
| jimbaker | so it's a pretty straightforward wrapping of cassandra. but deklan, i think we have done some nice value add | 15:45 |
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| deklan | jimbaker: what is the value add? | 15:45 |
| jimbaker | we have the ingesters, the rollups, the use of elasticsearch to support globbing metrics | 15:46 |
| jimbaker | so it's not just raw cassandra. but we don't slow cassandra down :) | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | does blueflood support something similar to dimensions in monasca? | 15:46 |
| deklan | is anyone else in openstack using blueflood currently? | 15:46 |
| jimbaker | bklei_, re the specific auth - i don't know details. i believe it starts with repose. could readily find details | 15:47 |
| bklei_ | k, would hope we integrate with keystone to support project level access | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | deklan, not to my knowledge. but the 100K metrics/second that i quote is what we are currently supporting for our customers | 15:48 |
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| jimbaker | bklei_, it's multitenant. just don't know specifics on how we integrate with keystone | 15:49 |
| bklei_ | understood, that sounds good | 15:49 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: bklei_ the big tend requirement is that is at least integrated with Keystone :-) | 15:49 |
| deklan | jimbaker: any movement to make it an official openstack project? | 15:50 |
| bklei_ | +1 fabiog | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | so it's not perfect. we plan to add support for metrics 2.0. but cassandra helps with collection columns. i have also started work on spark/spark streaming integration | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | deklan, i don't know. the code base is completely in java | 15:51 |
| deklan | lol | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | this is for people who care about scale | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | jimbaker is the proposal to add blueflook as another bvackend option to monasca | 15:51 |
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| jimbaker | rhochmuth, exactly | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | jimbaker so, i don't see any problems with that | 15:52 |
| mroderus | jimbaker: do you know for how long the blueflood project has existed so far? | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | you should be able to use blueflood to get the most scalable, globally distributed support for monasca | 15:52 |
| bklei_ | would like to experiment with that for sure | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | mroderus, it was a key part of rackspace's acquisition of cloudkick iirc | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | then we opensourced it in 2013 | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | jimbaker so if rx is interested in this then i think we would support | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | definitely woudl like to discuss further | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | we would like to add to the Python API implementation | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | if proceed | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | jimbaker next steps? | 15:54 |
| jimbaker | sure, not certain what a python api here means. i guess one could have a python equivalent to the blueflood code, but that sort of defeats its goal of all-out performance | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | again that's why i describe it as being a possible backend | 15:55 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: can you post a link with documentation/design info on blue flood, please? | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | http://blueflood.io/ | 15:55 |
| fabiog | jimbaker: thanks | 15:55 |
| mroderus | would adding blueflood replace our existing Cassandra plans? | 15:55 |
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| jimbaker | mroderus, yes, that's my suggestion | 15:56 |
| mroderus | ok | 15:56 |
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| rhochmuth | i think we'll need some serious discussion on this topic | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | ok, meeting is coming to a close | 15:57 |
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| jimbaker | rhochmuth, sounds good. i guess that was not quite so brief an intro | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | but alex scammon can say more, hopefully next week? | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that was short | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | ok, let's discuss more next week | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | rhochmuth, thanks | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | any other quick comments in closing? | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | ok, there are some action items, and follow-ups going on | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | not sure how to record them all, but please follow-up | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not exactly tracking | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | it's in the log | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | if i do that i'll become a manager | 15:59 |
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| jimbaker | don't :) | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:59 |
| deklan | a brain is a terrible thing to waste | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | allright everyone, meeting is closing | 16:00 |
| deklan | ciao | 16:00 |
| witek | rhochmuth: thanx | 16:00 |
| jimbaker | later | 16:00 |
| bklei_ | thx rhochmuth | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| mroderus | see you | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-09-02-15.00.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2015/monasca.2015-09-02-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 2 20:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ I decided to show up for this one | 20:01 |
| * david-lyle has a feeling there will be 12 different eavesdrop names for this meeting | 20:01 | |
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| * david-lyle and robcresswell | 20:01 | |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | woohoo | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | tqtran_ ..? | 20:02 |
| tqtran_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| tqtran_ | im here | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | ok | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HorizonDrivers#Agenda_for_September_2_2000_UTC | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | so this weeks meeting is a choose your own adventure | 20:03 |
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| ducttape_ | I choose network topology | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #startvote todays topic ? discuss potential FFEs for Liberty, discuss the linked agenda | 20:04 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: todays topic ? Valid vote options are discuss, potential, FFEs, for, Liberty, discuss, the, linked, agenda. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #endvote | 20:05 |
| openstack | Voted on "todays topic ?" Results are | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | bah | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | go for FFEs, makes more sense | 20:05 |
| hurgleburgler | I was gonna vote for the | 20:05 |
| TravT | fastest vite ever | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | I didn't put commas in WTH | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | vote informally | 20:05 |
| tqtran_ | ffe is fine | 20:06 |
| tqtran_ | although, wanted to point out https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/transfer-table-clone-feature is already done with | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | tqtran_: I noticed | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | I was cleaning up bps yesterday | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-3 | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | and | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 20:08 |
| jwy | i still have 2 patches for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images out for review, which is targeted for liberty-3. would that be able to make it in? | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | that's what we are officially tracking right now | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | jwy: you need two core reviewers to look at it | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | any volunteers? | 20:09 |
| TravT | trying to read... | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I have a list of sahara and trove that I'm slowly working through | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | its 9pm here, can I respectfully decline? | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | :p | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: not today | 20:10 |
| TravT | david-lyle: i can review the import images patches, but not before tomorrow. | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | at this point we're looking at FFEs | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | gate is ~15 hours deep | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | and we'll tag tomorrow | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | so I think we could handle 5-6 FFEs if people sign up to shepherd them through | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | so the question is what's high importance and who has bandwidth | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I think curvature is almost there, but I know there were some questions about usability | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | jwy: will circle back | 20:12 |
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| jwy | david-lyle: thanks | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | trying to get a better estimate on load | 20:13 |
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| tqtran_ | theres a also a lot of code to look through, wondering if it make sense to package that externally, otherwise it would have to pass all of our linting rules | 20:13 |
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| david-lyle | tqtran_: which part? | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | the curvature? | 20:13 |
| tqtran_ | the curvature code | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Okay, so there are currently 1 at L-3, and 3 at RC1. One of those at RC1 is just that last docs patch, its pretty minor. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | I'll look at Curvature. I know it already anyway. | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | I'll have more plugin docs for review in RC-1 as well | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | but docs are easier | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | But need someone non-cisco to look over too | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | tqtran_: curvature is not currently covered by the linting checks? | 20:15 |
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| tqtran_ | it is not, we made an exception for legacy js files | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/curvature-network-topology | 20:15 |
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| david-lyle | for the viewers at home | 20:16 |
| ducttape_ | so then let's keep that, and follow on with curvature lint cleanup ? | 20:16 |
| ducttape_ | or is lint cleanup more important? | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, there is a patch to angularize curvature code, might be worth to do this work there | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | looks like some of the usability/visualization issues have been addressed | 20:17 |
| * david-lyle has not retried | 20:17 | |
| TravT | my concern's on curvature were more usability... I haven't tried latest patches | 20:17 |
| TravT | but i didn't go through all the code again. | 20:17 |
| tqtran_ | tsufiev: can you provide a link to this? | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | this has been a long time coming, I think if it's ready we should put it in | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | looks like it's already targeted | 20:18 |
| tsufiev | tqtran_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199063/ based on some older patchset, some work to do there | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | reminder, targeting is not a guarantee that it will get in, just if the code is ready | 20:18 |
| tqtran_ | oh wow, thats a lot farther than i thought, cool | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | the curvature stuff does not always create a great experience for what items are drawn where on first load.... but if you have a large / complex network it makes a HUGE improvement over what we have today | 20:19 |
| TravT | david-lyle: should it go in as a full replacement, or configurable alternative? | 20:19 |
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| david-lyle | so there was a suggestion to have both views | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | at one point, do others feel there's value in that | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | If Curvature is available, would the old one be used still? I guess thats the value question. | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I think that's too much to tackle at this late time, even if people like the idea | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | there's value if not everyone is ok with the change. it's like launch instance, where it might take a while to get people moved over to using it | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I really think it should be an all or none | 20:20 |
| tsufiev | +1 for having the both views | 20:20 |
| TravT | the downside is that then we have two paths of code we're dealing with. | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | That will really hold the patch up... | 20:21 |
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| robcresswell | I'm for a clean swap, but if its gonna annoy the deployers, then we should use both. | 20:21 |
| tqtran_ | my vote is for clean swap as well | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | I'm one voice, but I would switch to new topology before I switched to new launch instance | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, +1 :) | 20:22 |
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| jwy | is there any functionality from the old one that's not in the new one? | 20:23 |
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| ducttape_ | we might actually carry the topo patch locally and deploy it that way, if it gets held up | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, so... lets just go for Curvature | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | I think if it's ready, we should merge it | 20:23 |
| tqtran_ | my only concern is, once we merge it, thats more technical debt we have to tackle | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | jwy: there are some anoyances with the UX of the new topo stuff, but features are all the same | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | We've got a week or so to make sure its right on the mark. And brad is back from moving house, he'll be babysitting the patch through. | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | what is the effort to get lint cleanup on it? | 20:24 |
| tqtran_ | ducttape_: not sure, we'll have to enable it on legacy and find out | 20:25 |
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| tsufiev | ducttape_, personally I don't see much value in polishing some of the code it uses, especially pop-ups - they'd better to be rewritten completely | 20:25 |
| tqtran_ | right now, it all shows up as warnings | 20:25 |
| tqtran_ | my vote would be to improve tsufiev | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | I mean the legacy pop-up code that was incorporated into network topology from previous view | 20:25 |
| tqtran_ | patch's and work from there | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | what's wrong with tsufiev? | 20:25 |
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| tsufiev | I'm totally fine ))) | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | nothing lol, i pressed return by accident | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | it needs more sizzle ;) | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | hahaha | 20:26 |
| lhcheng | hah | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | sorry tsufiev! | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | tqtran_, no worries, it was funny ) | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | oh, let's leave it out of the linter | 20:26 |
| tqtran_ | hahaha >< | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | if the bouncy d3 rendering doesn't drive me crazy, I'd like to see it merge | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | ok what's next? | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | `npm run lint` on the curvature patch has about 6 warnings... thats fairly minor | 20:27 |
| ducttape_ | maybe we can get those cleaned up and that would be sufficient cleanup ? | 20:27 |
| tsufiev | tqtran_, I tend to agree with your decision, not because it's my patch, but also because that way you'll some time by not doing the stuff I already did when Angularized it | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | *save some time | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | The other 2 bps floating around are jwy one from earlier, and this Sahara one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/allow-editing-of-job-binaries | 20:28 |
| TravT | I'd like to see FFE for both users and images NG table work. | 20:28 |
| tqtran_ | plus, the break up of logical parts will make it much easier to review and scrutinize | 20:28 |
| * robcresswell always forgets to add link :( | 20:29 | |
| david-lyle | my preference would be to send in the curvature code without lint fixes unless they are trivial | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | sounds like there is work to rework it for M already in progress | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | ok, I have the job-binaries one | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I have a -1 on it | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | if others want to review go for it | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | I think trove clustering should be in too | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | over a year old | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | Is that the 1700 line patch? | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | yup | 20:32 |
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| robcresswell | siiigh fine I'll help review it to | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | just needs one core | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | it's in contrib now | 20:32 |
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| tqtran_ | whats the link to the patch? | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng has started looking | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | I have too | 20:33 |
| tqtran_ | ok, then i'll leave it to you guys lol | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110411/ | 20:33 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: just did a first pass, had to take a break in between | 20:34 |
| lhcheng | 1700 line is a lot | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: understood, I've taken many breaks :) | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | maybe mostly breaks | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | angular docs bp is fine | 20:35 |
| tqtran_ | so... going back to what TravT mentioned, i'd also like to see FFE on users and images ng work | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | ok now NG users and images was the other proposal | 20:36 |
| TravT | there are a number of patches on images. | 20:37 |
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| TravT | undergoing review. | 20:37 |
| TravT | example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217422/ | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I'd like to take input before I go. I tend to just jump in and stomp on the conversation, so I'll hold back for a minute | 20:38 |
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| robcresswell | Would the FFE be in anticipation of making these live at Liberty release? | 20:38 |
| TravT | you mean enabled by default? | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | possibly. But really I meant, fully funtional | 20:39 |
| TravT | i think for me, we got a lot of requests in kilo for people wanting to know how to build angular plugins | 20:39 |
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| TravT | this will continue | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | +10 | 20:40 |
| TravT | and the further we push the effort forward, the better we can answer those questions | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | Rather than buried; if they;re intending to be usable in the next 2 weeks, then it should be FFE work. If it won't be finished in that timescale, we should freeze it for now? I thought that was the point of a freeze. | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | Sure, makes sense | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | I'm just wondering if adding more new code to something we don't intend to have prod ready, is sensible for an FFE? | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | But if it will be ready, then yeah, lets do it. | 20:41 |
| TravT | depends on your definition of ready. | 20:42 |
| ducttape_ | if it's not prod ready, I hope it's still in gerrit | 20:42 |
| vgridnev | Hey, folks! What about one more FFE for Sahara staff on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/sahara-node-processes-tab ? It just an simple re-org, and actual patch-set is ready on review | 20:42 |
| TravT | curvature seems to mostly get a "looks cool" let's ship it level of review. | 20:42 |
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| ducttape_ | TravT - current topo has a bug, and new one does not. so feature wise it is more than just sizzle | 20:43 |
| ducttape_ | at least for us | 20:43 |
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| tqtran_ | i think functionality-wise, the users panel is all there. but the code quality is not quite where we want it. there are a few patterns we think we can abstract out | 20:43 |
| tqtran_ | and since the images panel is base off the users panel, i would say in 2 weeks time, functionality-wise, it can be pretty solid and usable as well | 20:44 |
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| ducttape_ | but still laking good generalized patterns ? | 20:44 |
| lhcheng | if it is not quite ready, why do we want people to follow that pattern? | 20:44 |
| tqtran_ | we have a pretty good general pattern | 20:44 |
| TravT | I do believe there is opportunity to abstract some reusable code with other ng tables doing batch delete, which will ultimately reduce boilerplate looking code and make it a bit more configuration oriented. However, I also believe you need to get a couple concrete, working examples in order to find a pattern. | 20:45 |
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| ducttape_ | so would it make sense to have test cases driving some core classes - to flush this stuff out ? | 20:45 |
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| tqtran_ | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5nlaOV3OEj5aVpRaC1sdlgtQ28/view?usp=sharing | 20:46 |
| ducttape_ | and not try to implement users or something that people might pick up and use? | 20:46 |
| tqtran_ | heres the general pattern we are using for table actions | 20:46 |
| tqtran_ | all the ones with jigsaw puzzle are extensible | 20:46 |
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| tqtran_ | hm... that one isnt working for me: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5nlaOV3OEj5aVpRaC1sdlgtQ28/view | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | I don't think there is consensus on this stuff, could be from lack of understanding or reviewing the state of things | 20:48 |
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| tqtran_ | basically, i took what we talked about in the ML and applied it to make it more extensible and pluggable | 20:48 |
| * ducttape_ can see both links | 20:49 | |
| tqtran_ | ducttape_: right, i think thats part of the problem. i'm doing my best to try and engage people | 20:49 |
| TravT | i don't believe we'll have it all perfect in two weeks. | 20:49 |
| TravT | but i think we can improve upon what is there with a few patches. | 20:49 |
| ducttape_ | would it make sense for those less familiar (like lhcheng) to wait for those patches? | 20:50 |
| ducttape_ | or review what is there now ? | 20:50 |
| TravT | anybody can review at any time | 20:50 |
| * ducttape_ likes volunteering lhcheng for work | 20:50 | |
| * lhcheng got volun-toss | 20:50 | |
| david-lyle | LOL | 20:51 |
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| lhcheng | david-lyle: got a DOA patch needed for L too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219041/ | 20:51 |
| lhcheng | keystone patch being merge atm | 20:52 |
| lhcheng | after waiting 10 hrs, the patch needs a recheck.. | 20:52 |
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| david-lyle | lhcheng: ok, that one's on my radar | 20:52 |
| TravT | i hate to change subjects, but also want to ask lhcheng: david-lyle: how are the domain patches going? | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | ok, I'm torn. I would absolutely like to see progress made on the angularized tables | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | so funny you should ask | 20:52 |
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| david-lyle | we're going to hold them until post Liberty | 20:53 |
| * ducttape_ thinks there is nothing funny for domains | 20:53 | |
| david-lyle | because they won't be useful to horizon in Liberty | 20:53 |
| lhcheng | TravT 1 of the main DOA patch is ready, but not merged. It doesn't make sense to merge without the 2nd half from Dan. | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | and merge them in 1.5.0 when the stable branch is cut | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | the second patch needs more, but even if both are ready, at this late point, more risk to destabilize | 20:54 |
| lhcheng | ++ | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | and that's the goal of the FF | 20:54 |
| lhcheng | once M opens up, we can merge it, so Dan can start working on the horizon side early. | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | get ready stuff in, while maintaining stability | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | the NG items have the benefit that if they are disabled then they aren't very destabilizing, but again, is there value in that | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | and I fully understand getting things in particular releases means more to some than others, we all have day jobs | 20:56 |
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| lhcheng | same logic why we haven't merge Dave's patch on domain scoping. | 20:57 |
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| david-lyle | I'm tempted to give the 1-2 NG items a FFE and see where it gets to, but if it's not ready not merge it | 20:57 |
| TravT | they are broken down into smaller chunks. | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | because I think it's existence has value if it's a reusable pattern | 20:58 |
| TravT | so we could look at pieces of it at a time. | 20:58 |
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| lhcheng | would the work kfox have, is a better model for NG plugin? Since it is really an external plugin which operator would do.. | 20:59 |
| * lhcheng not sure what | 20:59 | |
| robcresswell | So... lets give the ng work FFE then? It seems enough people are happy with it being allowed to proceed, see where it gets to, then merge or not. | 20:59 |
| * lhcheng not sure what the state right now | 20:59 | |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: true, builds on the infrastructure developed as a by product of the NG content bps | 21:00 |
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| tqtran_ | kfox's work is based on what we are doing, its really just a simple extension of our current plugin model | 21:00 |
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| robcresswell | Just trying to judge community decision | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | :) | 21:00 |
| lhcheng | and focus on making that working on L. | 21:00 |
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| lhcheng | tqtran_: ah got it | 21:01 |
| TravT | maybe we could just avoid this whole hassle and go to more frequent releases | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | TravT: that's a possibility, but brings it's own complications | 21:01 |
| tsufiev | iterations, agile, scrum - all that stuff | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | ok out of time, what's the consensus | 21:02 |
| robcresswell | I say FFE. I don't have strong views either way, and its disabled by default so I suppose unlikely to break. | 21:02 |
| robcresswell | More patterns is good and clearly something desired by community, right? | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | alright, I will grant FFEs, but I want the core group wider on those | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: do you have time? | 21:03 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, sleep is for the weak | 21:04 |
| robcresswell | I kid, I have time. | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | we have the better part of 3 weeks | 21:04 |
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| david-lyle | but it better not be landing at the end | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | I will look to | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone | 21:05 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:05 |
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