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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 26 12:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 12:01 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 12:01 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 12:02 |
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| robcresswell | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HorizonDrivers | 12:03 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 12:03 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HorizonDrivers | 12:03 |
| robcresswell | Travis has suggested that we defer Angular reviews until next week, which I am inclined to agree with. | 12:03 |
| robcresswell | bah sorry, always forget the link. | 12:03 |
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| david-lyle | I would agree with that, but I will argue replacing the can't with won't | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | Haha, yeah I agree. | 12:04 |
| david-lyle | but I digress | 12:05 |
| robcresswell | With that in mind, I'll update the agenda for next week, and we should look at tsufiev bp | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: added one, we can start with | 12:05 |
| david-lyle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/integration-tests-hardening | 12:05 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, yep, I'm here | 12:05 |
| tsufiev | 3 of total 5 commits addressing the BP are already landed | 12:06 |
| tsufiev | oh, 3 of 4 | 12:06 |
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| tsufiev | and I think there will be more 2-4 commits addressing different points of the BP | 12:07 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, should we discuss the remaining steps for hardening tests? | 12:07 |
| david-lyle | so for #3 in the bp spec, is that just adding more id HTML attributes to use ? | 12:08 |
| * david-lyle was reading | 12:08 | |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, yes, it is. The most controversial one for now (although it was merged because it _fixes_ tests) | 12:09 |
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| tsufiev | the same idea as in #4 | 12:09 |
| robcresswell | IIRC, #2 was the one I wasn't too happy about either... | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | I need to look through that one again, we added an attribute just for testing. | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | As for the bp itself, this is a really key one IMO. Should be marked High. | 12:11 |
| robcresswell | and targeted for M I suppose. | 12:11 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, what's wrong with #2? Btw it hasn't been implemented yet | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, it was a workaround for truncated data. | 12:12 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Sorry, I meant patch 2 | 12:12 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, better to post the link ) | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | instead of that why not add an 'name' attribute | 12:13 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, the idea here is to mark this attribute as pertaining to selenium tests, so other people would easily recognize it | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | but most entity detection in HTML is done by name | 12:14 |
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| david-lyle | curious why we need a new one | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | as name would be more generally useful | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | but aside from that, I'm always in favor of improving integration testing | 12:15 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, just changing 'selenium-data' -> 'name'? | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: yes, I think so, but I need to evaluate what you're putting in selenium-data now | 12:16 |
| tsufiev | okay | 12:16 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214671/ | 12:16 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, its useful to fix the tests, just not sure about adding attributes specifically to hold data for tests. That feels wrong IMO. Then you're just testing test data, rather than actual data, right? | 12:16 |
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| david-lyle | well name would be wrong | 12:17 |
| david-lyle | in that case, hadn't dug into the change enough | 12:17 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, kind of. We may decide that every time some text is being truncated in horizon, it's necessary to provide an original value as some attribute | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I think that's true | 12:18 |
| tsufiev | and choose some naming pattern, that tests can rely on | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | because I would expect a tooltip to provide the full value | 12:18 |
| david-lyle | if truncated | 12:18 |
| robcresswell | Should the test not account for that? Or even, just use the tooltip. | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, the thing is that in future tooltip representation may change | 12:19 |
| tsufiev | and that would break tests | 12:19 |
| robcresswell | I don't have any solid reasoning here, which is why I didn't -1. It just seems a little inconsistent to have data for tests in the item being tested. | 12:19 |
| mrunge | I wouldn't try to get the test calculating, if screen width is wide enough to truncate or not truncate | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | that's what I would think, but that's a feature I don't feel is implemented yet | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | I suppose this is a reasonable stop-gap | 12:20 |
| mrunge | and screen size would be in some kind of virtal frame buffer | 12:20 |
| david-lyle | but I would prefer a not and followon item to fix more elegantly | 12:20 |
| robcresswell | Agreed, it's a good stop-gap. Not a huge issue, but not a pattern I'd like to see repeated :) | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, but, if we had some convention on how the data being truncated should be preserved, then we could use that in tests | 12:21 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Agreed, then the truncation is the issue and a pattern should be made, and if people don't follow it, then their tests will fail. | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: is there more outstanding than just the field ordering patch? more in the works? | 12:21 |
| tsufiev | anyways, I'm happy to fix it more elegantly - as soon as we agree on what kind of elegantness we want :) | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | or should I slate for L | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: understood there needs to be a concrete description of said elegance | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I'm also going to address #2 and #4 of the BP in a separate patches | 12:22 |
| tsufiev | #2 implementation is easy and quite probable to be ready before L3 | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | ok I will leave un-targeted for now and if it makes L-3 all the better | 12:23 |
| tsufiev | about #4 I'm not so sure.... I think it's discussable whether we should implement #4 at all | 12:23 |
| tsufiev | it was hurgleburger's idea | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | I think unique element naming could help | 12:24 |
| tsufiev | (well, I don't mean I don't like it, yet haven't thought about this enough) | 12:24 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/integration-tests-hardening approved High | 12:25 |
| robcresswell | I've got a short list of bps that can be made obsolete I think. | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | I'd say even if we get 4/5 we're in much better shape | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: let's have at them | 12:26 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-hosts-measurement | 12:26 |
| * david-lyle puts away his #link | 12:26 | |
| robcresswell | :D | 12:26 |
| robcresswell | That one first. 2 years old, no code | 12:27 |
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| * tsufiev is wondering how well Tuskar is... | 12:28 | |
| mrunge | rdopiera, should have an answer there... | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: patches still get merged, but is has slowed considerably, at least the ui part | 12:28 |
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| robcresswell | Thoughts on removing it? | 12:29 |
| robcresswell | the bp, not tuskar :p | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | actually IPMI data is available now in Horizon from ceilometer | 12:29 |
| mrunge | yeah, remove the bp | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | I don't think SNMP is | 12:29 |
| mrunge | it is partly implemented | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | so this one is at least partially superceded | 12:30 |
| mrunge | I feel it's not really fitting in horizon anyways | 12:30 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-hosts-measurement marked superseded | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-improved-security-group-and-rule-creation | 12:31 |
| robcresswell | Next one. Over a year old, very small, no code. | 12:32 |
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| tsufiev | perhaps Angular guys have some ideas about improving Groups & Rules creation? | 12:33 |
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| david-lyle | I think that's no longer correct either. toshi added code to ease in creating security groups | 12:33 |
| mrunge | that's still true. but let's drop it for now | 12:33 |
| mrunge | I mean, drop the bp | 12:33 |
| robcresswell | The bp itself doesn't really hold any useful info or code, so could be dropped imo. | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | ok, dropping | 12:34 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uploading-auto-segmented-large-images | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-improved-security-group-and-rule-creation marked obsolete | 12:35 |
| robcresswell | Next up. Same story, old, no info, no code. | 12:35 |
| rdopiera | mrunge: I didn't keep track of it | 12:35 |
| mrunge | rdopiera, no worries | 12:36 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, hm, this one sounds interesting | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | I thought there was some work recently on this problem but not using websockets | 12:37 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, the problem itself is still actual and I've been trying to solve it as part of the bug at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166969/ | 12:37 |
| mrunge | oh, interesting | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | I'm also unsure why the image has to bounce through the horizon server | 12:37 |
| mrunge | try to upload a 15 gigs windows file to glance | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | yet, the solution is too complicated and Frode Nordahl suggested reusing work on CORS | 12:38 |
| mrunge | while upload, keystone token will time out | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | I know not much about CORS support in horizon | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: well the CORS would be with glance actually | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | which likely does not support it yet | 12:38 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, we don't need CORS in Horizon to feed the image to Glance? | 12:38 |
| david-lyle | CORS is cross origin scripting, the JS in the client would send directly to the glance server, not proxying through horizon server | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | that's what CORS provides | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | *cross origin resource sharing | 12:40 |
| robcresswell | In terms of the actual bp... is it worth keeping, or removing and let another be uploaded if we pursue this method? | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | although that's the wrong direction for CORS | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | anyway, I'm inclined to stick with the bug in progress than the bp without any meat | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | meaning it (large image upload) should be done in some other way? | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | I can create a BP for long-living uploads, possible w/ CORS support and link it to the above CR | 12:42 |
| tsufiev | there is a lot of issues with this bug, it overweighs some BPs ) | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: sure that sounds reasonable | 12:43 |
| tsufiev | by issues I mean at least some UX implications | 12:43 |
| * tsufiev adds an action item for himself | 12:44 | |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/uploading-auto-segmented-large-images marked superseded | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | btw, I remember a lot of file upload related BPs that seem stale | 12:44 |
| tsufiev | and long forgotten | 12:45 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/soft-reboot-on-vnc-console | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | #action tsufiev to add bp for current work on large image upload | 12:45 |
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| robcresswell | Same with this bp, old, no "meat" | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | my only hesitation is that this was operator feedback | 12:46 |
| mrunge | uhm, are we sure we can do that? | 12:47 |
| robcresswell | True. Perhaps we should pass that on to Piet? | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: don't know | 12:47 |
| mrunge | I mean, it's novnc | 12:47 |
| mrunge | this is valuable feedback, but we can't do much about it, right? | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: very quick google, seems like it may be possible, but may also be outside our scope | 12:49 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I remember some bugs with the console in horizon | 12:50 |
| mrunge | it all came back to: different component | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | I'll mark obsolete, someone with a real desire and greater knowledge of novnc can look into it | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/soft-reboot-on-vnc-console marked obsolete | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/stats-on-splash | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | (This is a pretty good process we got here) | 12:53 |
| robcresswell | Seems like a suggestion for a feature, but again there's no real code or ideas behind it. | 12:53 |
| tsufiev | I'd handle it directly to Piet to evaluate usefullness | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | The identity model here is not really supported upstream. The final feedback on items like this would be add a customization hook into the splash screen to populate with your custom methods. But this as a general feature in horizon doesn't really work. | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | was my feedback | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | I remember the original push | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | those individuals have moved on as well | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/stats-on-splash marked obsolete | 12:55 |
| mrunge | so, drop it | 12:55 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/instance-zone-info | 12:56 |
| robcresswell | Last one for this meeting probably | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | if we don't already provide this, we should | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | as long as it's part of the nova response | 12:57 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/instances/templates/instances/_detail_overview.html | 12:57 |
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| robcresswell | L17, isn't that it? | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | yu | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | p | 12:58 |
| robcresswell | bp achieved. | 12:58 |
| tsufiev | he wished also for showing it in instance list | 12:58 |
| tsufiev | (optionally) | 12:58 |
| tsufiev | :) | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | too many colums | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | *columns | 12:59 |
| david-lyle | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/instance-zone-info superseded complete | 12:59 |
| robcresswell | Cool. I think that wraps up nicely. | 13:00 |
| tsufiev | things are lighting fast when no angular is being discussed :) | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | well current issues vs past issues | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | to be expected | 13:00 |
| tsufiev | yes, that's more correct | 13:00 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone, great progress. I appreciate everyone's input and feedback | 13:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 13:01:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-08-26-12.01.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-08-26-12.01.txt | 13:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2015/horizondrivers.2015-08-26-12.01.log.html | 13:01 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 13:01 |
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| Piet | piet: just waking up | 13:07 |
| Piet | robcresswell: tsufiev can I reach-out to you later? | 13:07 |
| tsufiev | Piet, yes | 13:08 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 26 17:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| alaski | anyone around today? | 17:00 |
| dheeraj | o/ | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| vineetmenon | o/ | 17:00 |
| lalitdagre | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | awesome | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest testing | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| alaski | it appears that elastic search isn't responding to me at the moment | 17:01 |
| alaski | but melwitt, any news? | 17:01 |
| melwitt | I've noticed it's been like this the past few weeks at least, for the 7d choice. if I change it to 48h I can get results | 17:01 |
| alaski | ahh, that worked | 17:02 |
| melwitt | things seem okay, yesterday there were 8 failures, one was a bad patch. the others are the instance not found problem in test_list_servers_by_admin_with_all_tenants | 17:02 |
| alaski | okay, great | 17:03 |
| alaski | mriedem was working on that one | 17:03 |
| melwitt | oh, cool | 17:03 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215859/ I think | 17:04 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:04 | |
| alaski | there are a few reviews that could always use feedback | 17:05 |
| alaski | I'll just link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaCellsv2 which has them all listed | 17:05 |
| dheeraj | alaski: about the flavor port one (http://review.openstack.org/201606) | 17:05 |
| alaski | if there are any missing feel free to add them there and to the priority etherpad | 17:05 |
| dheeraj | we dropped soft-delete for now because too many tempest and unit tests were failing | 17:06 |
| dheeraj | I mean we keep soft-delete option | 17:06 |
| alaski | dheeraj: tempest tests on that patch, or the following one? | 17:06 |
| dheeraj | on the following one | 17:06 |
| dheeraj | when we actually tried to write code that used new Flavor models | 17:07 |
| alaski | I commented on that in the other review | 17:07 |
| alaski | I think you should keep the object the same, i.e. don't remove deleted/deleted_at | 17:08 |
| dheeraj | alaski: yeah, so we figured it was simpler to keep deleted columns for now | 17:08 |
| dheeraj | about the dependent patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213041/) | 17:08 |
| dheeraj | a lot of code looks at .id (the auto-generated id in the table) and when flavors will be moved, the id will obviously change | 17:09 |
| alaski | it's simpler now, but we'll need to deal with it later | 17:09 |
| dheeraj | alaski: agreed | 17:09 |
| vineetmenon | +! | 17:09 |
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| lalitdagre | +1 | 17:09 |
| alaski | dheeraj: okay, that sounds like another issue different from the deleted one | 17:10 |
| dheeraj | so id is a sticking point. Right now the WIP patch doesn't implement all the stuff (it is more focussed on get_*), but we would like to get more feedback about it | 17:10 |
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| alaski | okay, I'll look at that and comment | 17:10 |
| dheeraj | alaski:: thanks | 17:10 |
| alaski | for soft-delete I think it can be handled reasonably well by having compatibility code in the db methods for the nova_api db | 17:11 |
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| alaski | if the object passes in deleted/deleted_at just ignore it, and add those fields in to the db return | 17:11 |
| dheeraj | alaski: some db code also looks at deleted columns | 17:12 |
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| alaski | dheeraj: yes. but any new db code shouldn't. so db code for nova db will, but nova_api db won't | 17:12 |
| alaski | as long as those don't get mixed it should be fine | 17:12 |
| melwitt | I have some questions from working on https://review.openstack.org/161906 db connection switch | 17:13 |
| dheeraj | alaski: ok. we'll take a look | 17:13 |
| dheeraj | maybe have a dirty patch and see how tempest holds | 17:13 |
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| alaski | dheeraj: okay. the preference would be to not have soft-delete for the new db, but if it's overly complex right now it's not a blocker | 17:14 |
| alaski | melwitt: go for it | 17:14 |
| dheeraj | alaski: cool | 17:14 |
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| melwitt | I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to write a functional test and ran into wondering, how is it supposed to work with for example, Instance object contains a SecurityGroupList field, when the security groups reside in a different database | 17:15 |
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| melwitt | like when FK will span across databases | 17:16 |
| alaski | melwitt: I think we need to assume it will be in the same db | 17:17 |
| alaski | unless it's something in the api and cell db | 17:17 |
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| alaski | and in that case we may need to think about composing the objects differently | 17:17 |
| melwitt | okay. I was using http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/cells.html#global-api-level-tables as a guide on how to think about it and currently we have security_groups in the api db, or maybe it will be both? | 17:17 |
| alaski | melwitt: do we write to security groups outside of the api, do you know? | 17:18 |
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| melwitt | alaski: in general I don't think so but I'd have to check to be sure. what happens now is during instance_create, it will create the default sec group if it doesn't exist | 17:19 |
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| alaski | okay, I trying to think through cases here | 17:20 |
| alaski | *I'm | 17:20 |
| alaski | I think my first question is does changing a security group apply to all instances with that group? | 17:21 |
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| alaski | I feel like we should treat it like a flavor, and write it to instance_extra with the instance in the cell db | 17:21 |
| alaski | but if changing the group is supposed to propagate that won't work | 17:22 |
| melwitt | I'm not sure how it works but SecurityGroup has an orm relationship with SecurityGroupInstanceAssociation which has a FK of instance.uuid | 17:22 |
| melwitt | *orm relationship Instance, SecurityGroupInstanceAssociation | 17:23 |
| alaski | I hate to say it, but we might need to look at breaking that | 17:24 |
| alaski | in general I'd like to move towards the instance picking up attributes as it moves through the system and storing those itself. like with flavor | 17:25 |
| alaski | but at this point I'm not sure I have a great answer | 17:25 |
| melwitt | okay. there might be other things too but in my test I started with doing an instance.create() and saw it going to the sec groups so I stumbled over it | 17:26 |
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| melwitt | yeah, something to think about | 17:26 |
| alaski | for now it would be good to have a list of everything the instance object relies on having access to | 17:26 |
| alaski | we'll probably have to go case by case and come up with solutions | 17:27 |
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| alaski | #topic Open discussion | 17:27 |
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| melwitt | okay, I'll go through and make a list. do you think we only have to be concerned with Instance? | 17:28 |
| alaski | melwitt: probably not | 17:28 |
| alaski | but for now it's the big concern | 17:28 |
| alaski | actually, it might just be instance | 17:28 |
| dheeraj | alaski: feature freeze is next week, so does that mean all code has to be merged before that or is there an exception procedure? | 17:29 |
| alaski | dheeraj: there is an exception process | 17:29 |
| alaski | but I'm not sure any of our stuff will qualify | 17:30 |
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| alaski | mainly because it doesn't complete anything | 17:30 |
| dheeraj | alaski: yeah. In that case we should probably just roll it over to M | 17:30 |
| melwitt | johnthetubaguy commented on the review also mentioning about, what will be the default database? I had been thinking "default" is whatever is local to the code querying, that is, each database will be configured for its local database. but then that wouldn't work to let it go to the default if it's say, querying for security groups. does that mean we'll need to actually have for example, get_api_session() for all security group related calls | 17:30 |
| melwitt | inside the db api? | 17:30 |
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| alaski | melwitt: my thinking has been that anything we know is in the api db shoudl use get_api_session | 17:31 |
| melwitt | alaski: okay, that makes sense | 17:31 |
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| alaski | and the context switching is primarily for things that could be in one of many cells | 17:31 |
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| dheeraj | alaski: maybe compute cells will need to know about the api cell | 17:31 |
| alaski | dheeraj: that's seeming more and more likely | 17:32 |
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| melwitt | alaski: yeah, I think that would make it clearer to understand what's going on anyway too | 17:32 |
| alaski | dheeraj: but something I would like to avoid as much as possible | 17:32 |
| alaski | melwitt: cool | 17:32 |
| vineetmenon | alaski: do we have to redo commits if we roll over to M ? | 17:32 |
| vineetmenon | specs and code commits? | 17:32 |
| alaski | vineetmenon: for specs, maybe. that was unclear at this point. code shouldn't need to | 17:33 |
| alaski | vineetmenon: but if specs need to be redone it's a trivial approval process | 17:33 |
| melwitt | I need to dig into how the sqlite test database stuff works because I find if I create two EngineFacade intended to point to the same database, it doesn't work. one of them errors saying no tables exist. (I'm trying to verify that different ones get used depending on context, throwing away the "connection" kwarg before letting it be created so they go to the same database really) | 17:33 |
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| melwitt | or should I instead be looking at actually making separate test databases and doing it that way? | 17:34 |
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| melwitt | (for the functional test under nova/tests/functional/db) | 17:35 |
| alaski | I vaguely recall running into something like that | 17:35 |
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| alaski | from what I remember the sqlite db is created in memory so each connection ends up with it's own view | 17:35 |
| alaski | so you might need to run migrations on each | 17:35 |
| melwitt | that's definitely what I'm seeing. I know from some doc or something I found somewhere that it's indeed an in-memory sqlite db | 17:36 |
| alaski | you might need to precreate the facades and run migrations on them, rather than letting them be lazily created in the tests | 17:37 |
| alaski | if I'm understanding correctly | 17:38 |
| melwitt | what I don't understand is how "database" exists, migration.db_sync(database=self.database) where self.database is just "main" | 17:38 |
| melwitt | from the Database fixture | 17:38 |
| dheeraj | melwitt: it runs API migrations if database="api" and nova DB mingrations if database="main" | 17:38 |
| melwitt | is "main" indicating the EngineFacade or something else? | 17:38 |
| melwitt | like how does it know from just the string "main" how to get to a thing to run migrations on | 17:39 |
| dheeraj | It is coded somewhere in fixtures | 17:40 |
| dheeraj | I think alaski committed that code | 17:40 |
| alaski | it's all in https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migration.py#L90 | 17:40 |
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| melwitt | okay, so it'll create its own new migrate repo if it doesn't exist | 17:41 |
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| melwitt | I think I understand enough to go that direction. thanks | 17:42 |
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| alaski | it looks like only 'api' has meaning, and anything else just does the old default | 17:42 |
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| dheeraj | alaski: yes | 17:42 |
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| dheeraj | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migration.py#L1146 | 17:42 |
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| alaski | melwitt: sorry, I can't vouch for the prettiness of the code, only that I got it to work | 17:43 |
| melwitt | I found that sync step actually creates the EngineFacade | 17:43 |
| alaski | ahh | 17:43 |
| alaski | oh, it calls get_engien | 17:44 |
| melwitt | oh, right. that's what would do it | 17:44 |
| melwitt | alaski: it's just new to me, didn't know what was happening :) | 17:45 |
| alaski | melwitt: heh, no worries. I remember it taking me some time to understand enough to do that migration piece | 17:46 |
| alaski | and it's mostly disconnected, except for that get_engine call | 17:46 |
| melwitt | yeah, I was wondering how does the EngineFacade connect to the seemingly connectionless testing sqlite database | 17:47 |
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| alaski | yeah, and the in-memory piece makes sqlite interesting compared to the other backends | 17:48 |
| alaski | anything else for today? | 17:48 |
| alaski | have a great day everyone | 17:49 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 17:49:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-26-17.00.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-26-17.00.txt | 17:49 |
| melwitt | thanks all | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-08-26-17.00.log.html | 17:49 |
| vineetmenon | bye | 17:49 |
| dheeraj | bye | 17:49 |
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| alaski | o/ | 17:49 |
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| vishwanathj | hello | 18:31 |
| annp | hi | 18:31 |
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| SridarK | Hi All | 18:31 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:31 |
| blogan_ | hi! | 18:31 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:31 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:31 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 18:31 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 18:31 |
| ajmiller | hi | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 26 18:31:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 18:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK | 18:31 |
| achippa | hi | 18:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal | 18:31 |
| njohnston | hi all | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | #info Agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:32 |
| * mestery lurks | 18:32 | |
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| blogan_ | ominous | 18:32 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: just to clarify - we will alternate meeting time slots ? | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | SridarK: indeed - let me note that | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | #info We now have an APAC friendly meeting - alternating weeks - 18:30 UTC and 00:00 UTC | 18:33 |
| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Firewall_as_a_Service_(FWaaS)_Team_Meeting Meeting times | 18:33 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: sounds good thanks, i will update the wiki as well | 18:33 |
| sc68cal | So next week will be 00:00 UTC on _thursday_ | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | Please note this is still on _wednesday_ in North America | 18:34 |
| xgerman | ack | 18:34 |
| sc68cal | So last week's meeting was light, since I announced it 5 hours before hand ;) | 18:35 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: :-) i was on a plane - so i missed it totally | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | but I wanted to start building the habit early, so I'd be prepped for next week when we do it for real | 18:35 |
| badveli | i was not sure on the time | 18:36 |
| vishwanathj | will the agenda differ? | 18:36 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: no, just makes it easier for yushiro, hoangcx and others to join | 18:36 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, ok, Thanks | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | vishwanathj: good question - I don't think it will, mostly because I think I'll be relying on the APAC attendees to attend and discuss stuff they want to discuss - I'll probably bring things over the week after if it needs more disucssion. Basically I can be the bridge | 18:37 |
| vishwanathj | sc68cal, thanks | 18:37 |
| sc68cal | So - the big item that we need to discuss is the logging API, as requested by yushiro and hoangcx | 18:38 |
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| sc68cal | I'll just drop the link and then we'll go through the agenda | 18:38 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 18:39 |
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| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 18:39 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.searchtext=fwaas&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | =&field.has_no_package= Bugs | 18:39 |
| sc68cal | hmmm that link is bigger than I thought | 18:40 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: Thanks a lot and sorry for late. | 18:41 |
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| * hoangcx just took a cup of coffee :-) | 18:41 | |
| SridarK_ | sc68cal: nothing major - on my radar | 18:41 |
| sc68cal | #action cores - we need to go through the bugs and triage as apropriate | 18:41 |
| SridarK_ | sc68cal: i know u have been flushing out som sold ones | 18:41 |
| sc68cal | SridarK_: yep - low hanging fruit like https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1487599 | 18:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1487599 in neutron "fwaas - ip_version and IP address conflicts are not raised" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | Still getting my hands around some of the unit test code and such - had to fix some things here and there to get them running | 18:42 |
| SridarK_ | sc68cal: sounds good and good to flush out some of these old ones | 18:43 |
| sc68cal | Any other bugs? Otherwise I think we can continue on to blueprints | 18:44 |
| sc68cal | I think we have some activity to discuss there | 18:44 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 18:45 |
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| sc68cal | Ah - we got the REJECT action merged - yay! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148416/ | 18:45 |
| vichoward | ;) | 18:46 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 18:46 |
| SridarK | +1 | 18:46 |
| sc68cal | SridarK_ beat me to the puch on approving - I was setting up my gear today and yesterday in order to test it | 18:46 |
| vishwanathj | :) | 18:46 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: :-) | 18:47 |
| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FWaaS/LibertyPlan Liberty Plan for FwaaS | 18:47 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:47 |
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| sc68cal | just going by what was linked in the wiki | 18:47 |
| sc68cal | I think probably https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171340 is going to get moved to Mitaka | 18:47 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes we needed to get some alignment on the reviews | 18:48 |
| sc68cal | Looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 - the spec was merged - but I'll have to dig up if the code has been merged | 18:48 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: will be good to discuss this at the Summit along with other things to prioritize | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | although ... that is pretty old - 1 year+ review | 18:49 |
| sc68cal | so the wiki uh, might be a little stale ;) | 18:49 |
| badveli | we had a different link | 18:49 |
| badveli | not sure how this was changed | 18:49 |
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| badveli | we had the latest one for liberty | 18:50 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: , badveli: - this is the Service Group | 18:50 |
| SridarK | badveli: do u think this has a chance for L ? | 18:50 |
| badveli | yes let me change the link | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | badveli: i know u are busy and are bandwidth limited | 18:50 |
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| badveli | with my limited time i was able to add the extension | 18:50 |
| badveli | and my unit test had an issue | 18:51 |
| SridarK | badveli: it seems that this is very tight for L | 18:51 |
| badveli | when is the deadline for L? | 18:51 |
| sc68cal | this week I think. | 18:51 |
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| SridarK | badveli: yes as sc68cal: mentions u are almost at time | 18:51 |
| sc68cal | sorry, Sept 3rd | 18:52 |
| blogan_ | the deadline is next week no? | 18:52 |
| badveli | since i had added this as an extension to neutron | 18:52 |
| SridarK | badveli: but u will need a reference backend in FWaaS correct ? | 18:52 |
| badveli | correct | 18:52 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-customized-service FWaas extension for customized service and service group | 18:52 |
| badveli | sridark initially our plan was to add the extension in neutron | 18:52 |
| SridarK | badveli: if u are comfortable - no harm in trying | 18:52 |
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| sc68cal | is that the right blueprint link? | 18:53 |
| sc68cal | I see that linked to the L-3 milestone in launchpad | 18:53 |
| SridarK | we can request for an FFE as this has been on the table for a few releases now | 18:53 |
| badveli | sridark i am trying to understand if we need both the extension and the reference implementation | 18:53 |
| SridarK | in case u just miss time | 18:53 |
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| SridarK | badveli: usually just having an API without a backing ref implementation is frowned upon - | 18:54 |
| SridarK | badveli: my sense is that it will not get support | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200778/ Add service group as a firewall customized service | 18:54 |
| badveli | with my limited time i can try | 18:54 |
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| SridarK | others can shed more light on this as well | 18:54 |
| sc68cal | badveli: do you think it would be easier to push this to Mitaka-1, so you don't have to try and rush? | 18:55 |
| badveli | since the service group is a generalized one | 18:55 |
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| badveli | fine with me if we think we have the extension and the reference implementation | 18:56 |
| badveli | as needed | 18:56 |
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| sc68cal | yeah I think the reference implementation piece is what will be needed for merge, so I'd take the time to iterate | 18:56 |
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| SridarK_ | sorry connectivity issues keep bouncing out | 18:57 |
| SridarK_ | and in | 18:57 |
| sc68cal | we can ping mestery to change the milestone for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-customized-service to mitaka-1 if there is consensus | 18:57 |
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| SridarK_ | badveli: how do u feel ? I also think we are cutting it really fine now | 18:58 |
| badveli | thanks sc68cal but i was thinking we can merge the extension and go from there with my time | 18:58 |
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| sc68cal | badveli: There have been few, if any API extensions that have been merged without an implementation - and the ones that have merged without don't have a good track record | 18:59 |
| badveli | SridarK_: i can try adding the extension if we need in liberty | 18:59 |
| SridarK_ | sc68cal: +1 yes this is my concern too | 18:59 |
| SridarK_ | badveli: this can be tricky IMHO as well | 18:59 |
| badveli | fine SridarK_ i am trying my best in my time that i can spend | 19:00 |
| SridarK_ | badveli: totally understand ur situation | 19:00 |
| badveli | we can implement both patches in mitaka-1 | 19:00 |
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| sc68cal | badveli: understood - I think we want to give you more time so you don't feel pressured - I'd rather see it get done at a reasonable pace instead of burning you out trying to rush it in | 19:01 |
| SridarK_ | badveli: yes that may make things easier for u | 19:01 |
| badveli | ok thanks | 19:01 |
| sc68cal | mestery: looks like we have consensus on the bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-customized-service - it can be moved to Mitaka | 19:01 |
| badveli | sorry with the amount of time that i had i am always falling behind | 19:01 |
| SridarK_ | badveli: no thanks for sticking with this on ur own time | 19:02 |
| badveli | thanks SridarK_ | 19:02 |
| sc68cal | hoangcx: we did discuss off-list about the logging API - I want to get everyone up to speed about the proposal, I think based on the timeline it's better to push to Mitaka as well | 19:03 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:03 |
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| hoangcx | sc68cal: Ack. | 19:04 |
| xgerman | I think logging needs some F2F discussion in Tokyo | 19:04 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: +1000 | 19:05 |
| annp | +1 | 19:05 |
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| SridarK_ | +1 | 19:05 |
| sc68cal | ok - any other blueprints to discuss? | 19:07 |
| hoangcx | xgerman, sc68cal: Thanks for commenting in the spec. Let's discuss about it in Tokyo | 19:07 |
| xgerman | y.w. - I am also hoping some of the centralized login people in my corp will give feedback as well | 19:07 |
| SridarK_ | sc68cal: i believe those were the key ones | 19:07 |
| xgerman | we should start creating blueprints for M | 19:08 |
| xgerman | mickeys submitted something nice | 19:08 |
| mickeys | Not quite a blueprint yet, but I hope a starting point to resolve FWaaS with DVR | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | indeed - thanks a ton mickeys | 19:09 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 19:09 |
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| SridarK_ | +1 and we should spend some time discussing this along with the DVR guys | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | I think probably we'll use the etherpad for a design summit session to talk it out | 19:09 |
| sc68cal | SridarK_: +1 | 19:09 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys: nice job on capturing the state of things | 19:09 |
| mickeys | Do we think there is any chance to get any interaction on the etherpad before Tokyo? Or do most of it in person? | 19:10 |
| xgerman | I haven’t heard from mystery on design summit but I doubt we get more than 2 sessions | 19:10 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys: this is a bit of a complex beast and as u point out as well - we want to arrive at something that does not compromise the performance we get with DVR | 19:10 |
| xgerman | mestery | 19:10 |
| sc68cal | mickeys: I think we can bump the mailing list thread in the meantime | 19:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:11 |
| xgerman | also we can arrange some hangout meeting with a focused group | 19:11 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys: +1 lets get something going on the etherpad for sure before and get some participation from the DVR folks | 19:11 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: +1 | 19:11 |
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| mickeys | I was not sure whether to use [L3] or [dvr] on the mailing list to get their attention? | 19:12 |
| xgerman | try both | 19:12 |
| mickeys | ok | 19:12 |
| xgerman | :-) | 19:12 |
| sc68cal | :) | 19:12 |
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| sc68cal | anything else - otherwise I'll open the floor to discussion | 19:13 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 19:14 |
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| xgerman | Tokyo talks came out | 19:14 |
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| xgerman | OpenStack Neutron FWaaS Roadmap — has been accepted | 19:14 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 19:15 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 19:15 |
| mickeys | +1 | 19:15 |
| SridarK | just saw the official email come out | 19:15 |
| hoangcx | xgermen +1 | 19:15 |
| xgerman | same here | 19:15 |
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| vishwanathj | SridarK, Thanks for initiating the FWaaS roadmap talk | 19:15 |
| xgerman | +1000 | 19:15 |
| SridarK | so we can use this as a forum to communicate our discussions | 19:15 |
| sc68cal | woo! | 19:15 |
| SridarK | and hopefully get good feedback | 19:16 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 19:16 |
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| hoangcx | xgerman: do you know any public infor link about that? | 19:17 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: it should be on the talks link - there is not much info there other than a skeleton | 19:17 |
| xgerman | juts got an e-mail | 19:17 |
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| xgerman | so will probably be posted there soon | 19:18 |
| hoangcx | xgerman: Ack. :-) | 19:18 |
| hoangcx | SridarK: ACK. :-) | 19:19 |
| SridarK | We should slot a few working group type sessions over the week at Tokyo - once the schedules start coming out - we will have more visibility for times | 19:21 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:21 |
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| badveli | good luck to all in tokyo | 19:23 |
| SridarK | badveli: thanks - i wish u could have made it | 19:23 |
| badveli | no sridar as usual | 19:24 |
| badveli | but i am very excited that we are getting a clear path | 19:24 |
| badveli | when compared to where we started | 19:24 |
| SridarK | yes i hope at the end of M we will be out of experimental | 19:24 |
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| badveli | yes | 19:25 |
| jwarendt | +1 | 19:25 |
| xgerman | +1 | 19:25 |
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| sc68cal | one thing we need to figure out - is how to make a release for liberty | 19:27 |
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| sc68cal | since I think there was an e-mail on the ML today which brought up that question, and I think it's relevant to us | 19:27 |
| sc68cal | Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] How to make deb and rpm packages for a networking-* project? | 19:28 |
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| sc68cal | anyway, we're almost out of time | 19:28 |
| jwarendt | sc68cal: Will check out that email - thanks for pointing out. | 19:29 |
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| sc68cal | Until next week everyone - 00:00 UTC next week! | 19:29 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: yes missed that too | 19:29 |
| SridarK | sounds good | 19:29 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:29 |
| badveli | bye all | 19:29 |
| annp | bye | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 19:29:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| hoangcx | at #openstack-meeting-alt channel? | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-26-18.31.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-26-18.31.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-08-26-18.31.log.html | 19:29 |
| hoangcx | Bye | 19:29 |
| xgerman | o/ | 19:30 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 26 20:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | Horizon twice a day, isn't it grand ? | 20:01 |
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| mrunge | yay! | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | such a long day | 20:01 |
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| david-lyle | with some pluck we'll get up to 3 before too long | 20:01 |
| * david-lyle is really kidding | 20:02 | |
| tsufiev | taking into account UX meeting there are already 3 of them | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | UX isn't Horizon | 20:02 |
| hurgleburgler | lol! | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | well. | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | it's not supposed ot be :p | 20:02 |
| mrunge | i18n then? | 20:02 |
| TravT_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| Piet | Three UX meetings? | 20:02 |
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| hurgleburgler | (◕‿◕✿)ノ | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | did I kill the wiki page? | 20:02 |
| rhagarty_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| tqtran | [=_=]/ | 20:03 |
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| ducttape_ | 0/ | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | ok, agenda is at | 20:04 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | apparently I added meeting days, so was quickly correcting | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | let's jump in and leave time to review status on priorities | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | #topic OpenStack Summit Tokyo: Joint working session for Horizon and Zaqar proposal (vkmc) | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | vkmc o/ | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | ok let's circle back | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | #topic OpenStack Summit Tokyo: Joint working session for Horizon and Searchlight discussion (TravT) | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit Tokyo: Joint working session for Horizon and Searchlight discussion (TravT) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:06 | |
| david-lyle | TravT o/ | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | i saw vkmc added that | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | so i copied her... | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | but basically, we are building searchlight largely for horizon | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | -1 on originality | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | +1 for honesty ;) | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | lol | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | and in tomorrow's searchlight meeting going to talk about working session requests | 20:07 |
| TravT_ | with ttx saying that space is tighter than vancouver | 20:07 |
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| TravT_ | was thinking we could put in one combined session for horizon / searchlight if needed. | 20:07 |
| Piet | Have you gotten design help from Michael and Jenny on Searchlight? | 20:07 |
| * ducttape_ looks forward to the openstack google ui so he doesn't mess with api snowflakes | 20:08 | |
| TravT_ | Piet, still waiting on that. | 20:08 |
| Piet | Is it a rush? Do y need ASAP? | 20:08 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:08 |
| TravT_ | sooner is better... but when isn't it? | 20:08 |
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| Piet | k | 20:08 |
| Piet | Will reach-out to Hinnant | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | vkmc: we'll come back to your topic in just a minute | 20:09 |
| vkmc | david-lyle, np | 20:09 |
| vkmc | sorry I'm late | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | no worries | 20:09 |
| TravT_ | so, just thought I'd float it out there as well. | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | I'd be fine with a joint working session | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | we essentially had a fishbowl on searchlight last summit | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | so a working session to make progress would be useful | 20:10 |
| TravT_ | ok, when we put in the request we can mention that. | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | any concerns? | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | gone | 20:11 |
| TravT_ | thx | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | was that your stage nick? | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:11 |
| TravT | yeah, better to have an alter-ego for meetings | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | #topic OpenStack Summit Tokyo: Joint working session for Horizon and Zaqar proposal (vkmc) | 20:12 |
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| david-lyle | vkmc o/ and welcome | 20:12 |
| vkmc | david-lyle o/ horizoners o/ | 20:12 |
| vkmc | thanks | 20:12 |
| vkmc | hi all! | 20:12 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:12 |
| vkmc | so, a few summits back there were some discussions about horizon-zaqar integration | 20:12 |
| vkmc | I recall there were some use cases | 20:13 |
| vkmc | which I listed in this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-horizon-usecases | 20:13 |
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| vkmc | we were wondering if those use cases still hold | 20:13 |
| mrunge | I wonder if ceilometer would suit those use cases better for horizon | 20:14 |
| vkmc | and if there is interest from Horizon team to arrange a working session for the next summit to talk a bit more about those | 20:14 |
| mrunge | definitely interested! | 20:14 |
| mrunge | we need to fix that async stuff in horizon | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | certainly interested in the use cases | 20:14 |
| vkmc | :) | 20:14 |
| ducttape_ | I'm not sure if messaging as a service and then showing rabbit messages from under cloud would be confusing | 20:14 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, cinder create is fired async | 20:15 |
| mrunge | you don't see, if it fails | 20:15 |
| ducttape_ | but in general, showing rabbit messages and status / health is not a bad general idea | 20:15 |
| mrunge | if you don't pull for service update | 20:15 |
| mrunge | sme is true for launching instances | 20:15 |
| ducttape_ | mrunge, I know. lots of opportunities | 20:15 |
| mrunge | I'll shut up ;-) | 20:15 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, could we get rid of constant polling there by the help of zaqar? | 20:16 |
| tqtran | we know what you really mean by "opportunities" ducttape_ | 20:16 |
| ducttape_ | I'm just saying the message bus for core services is one thing, but if I have messaging as a service, that is very different | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | i mean, at every table... | 20:16 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, that might be a possibility | 20:16 |
| vkmc | certainly we will need some time to discuss if and how Zaqar would fit the requirements Horizon has | 20:16 |
| mrunge | or that's my naive idea | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | I think there's a question of which pieces are owned by what, there now seems to be at least 3 possible sources of async notifications | 20:16 |
| mrunge | but: you could use ceilo to get notified when an event was triggered | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | ceil, zaqar and searchlight | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | I could see an admin page that just showed the last X rabbit messages / current stream of them.... and general rabbit health | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | but a session to figure out what the right solution and where is certainly high on my list of prioritites | 20:17 |
| TravT | yeah, i agree | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | so this is good, this is a topic with interest | 20:18 |
| tqtran | searchlight is also looking to push notifications? | 20:18 |
| tqtran | i thought we were just using it for queries? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: it could | 20:18 |
| tqtran | oh wow..... ok.... | 20:18 |
| mrunge | when planning such a session, let's have ceilo and searchlight folks too | 20:18 |
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| mrunge | just to have all people on the same side | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | but if another service is doing that it doesn't need to duplicate | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | ducttape_: I'd love a sidebar type thing like OSX and I think the new windows thing does, where alerts and messages just pop up in it. | 20:18 |
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| david-lyle | vkmc: I think we're all saying we're strongly interested :) | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | always thought that would be cool. Like a live feed of cloud updates. | 20:19 |
| vkmc | if it helps for something, we now have support for websocket :D | 20:19 |
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| tqtran | robcresswell: we already have something that can do that, toast service :P | 20:19 |
| hurgleburgler | websockets! ٩(͡๏̮͡๏)۶ | 20:19 |
| mrunge | vkmc++ | 20:19 |
| TravT | hmmm, not quite tqtran. | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | I like toast, except for the carbs | 20:19 |
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| tqtran | hurgleburgler is volunteering to write our websocket layer? | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | vkmc: let's plan on a joint session, if you don't mind us inviting a couple other people to keep us well rounded | 20:20 |
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| vkmc | david-lyle, not a problem | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | might be a useful conversation for all parties | 20:21 |
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| TravT | sounds good to me | 20:21 |
| hurgleburgler | tqtran ok, i'm on it! | 20:21 |
| vkmc | helps a lot to hear diff alternatives | 20:21 |
| vkmc | hurgleburgler, \o/ | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | vkmc: absolutely | 20:22 |
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| hurgleburgler | haha | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle figure out how to propose joint sessions | 20:22 |
| vkmc | please, feel free to ping us in #openstack-zaqar, or in our weekly meetings https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar | 20:22 |
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| vkmc | if you have any doubt or concern about Zaqar current status or how we could cover your use cases | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | sure, I think we need to do our homework | 20:23 |
| swati_ | Hi David, I had some queries for getting the blueprints approved? | 20:23 |
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| ducttape_ | I think many people might be interested in joint sessions david-lyle +1 | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | and likely there will be quetsoins | 20:23 |
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| david-lyle | *questions | 20:24 |
| vkmc | cool :) | 20:24 |
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| mrunge | you haven't heard the questions yet | 20:24 |
| vkmc | haha mrunge++ | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | swati_: we're working through an agenda and will have time at the end for open questions | 20:24 |
| swati_ | Sure, will wait...thanks | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | ok 2 joint sessions, which leads into my topic | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | #topic summit space planning (david-lyle) | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | oh, thanks vkmc :) | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | as you all may have deduced, there was a call to provide our space allocation requirements for the Tokyo summit | 20:26 |
| vkmc | np, thanks you! | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | At the YVR summit we had 3 fishbowl, 8 working sessions, and 2 collab half day sessions | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | so the scoop is | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | 2x workrooms to fishbowl rooms | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | less rooms than YVR | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | Rooms are smaller | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | and more teams in the big tent fighting for space | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | nice | 20:28 |
| ducttape_ | is there a guess on attendance size relative to YVR ? | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | maybe less, but not much, not entirely sure | 20:29 |
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| david-lyle | HK didn't really shrink either | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | just different population | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | so the guidance is less room requests | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | and workrooms are easier | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | the joint sessions will reduce some pressure | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | so I'm looking for proposals | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | I think we could do with less fishbowl sessions | 20:31 |
| mrunge | but joint sessions will require more space | 20:31 |
| mrunge | yes! less fishbowl sounds good to me | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | they were not largely attended with the growing number of tracks | 20:32 |
| mrunge | maybe just one? (Operator feedback)? | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | watch out for ops feedback, we got loads of issues | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | not too many for horizon tho :D | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | I'd like to figure out how to work that in | 20:32 |
| mrunge | I have seen increased bugs for horizon in the past | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | wondering if there could be a tie in to the ops track, maybe combined feedback? | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | if not, we can certainly hold one | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | I'll see if there are any organized plans for that | 20:33 |
| mrunge | I found ops feedback quite useful in the past | 20:33 |
| ducttape_ | one thing I'd say is ops people have a tough time with schedules, there is so much we want to attend | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | is there another burning topic that would require a fishbowl? | 20:34 |
| ducttape_ | we are not just horizon or keystone etc | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: you should be | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | we're working on creating enough problems to be on your radar :P | 20:34 |
| * ducttape_ still thinking about how many times "joint session" has been mentioned | 20:34 | |
| david-lyle | ok, 1 fishbowl | 20:35 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, you could record some video in advance and introduce your speech remotely ) | 20:35 |
| ducttape_ | I'll be there, you should be on the lookout | 20:35 |
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| david-lyle | I found the working session quite useful | 20:36 |
| mrunge | yupp! | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | I may ask for a similar number and let the schedulers back us down | 20:36 |
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| david-lyle | the other option is find a table | 20:36 |
| mrunge | do we know about tables? | 20:36 |
| tqtran | which i dont remember seeing at YVR | 20:37 |
| mrunge | last time, that didn't work out | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | no pods | 20:37 |
| TravT_ | they had some in paris... | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | just random tables | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | paris had pods and atlanta | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | not in paris and YVR | 20:37 |
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| tqtran | you just contradicted yourself there.... i see what you did... | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I see that now | 20:38 |
| ducttape_ | he is write and wrong | 20:38 |
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| * tsufiev recalls a lot of tables in YVR | 20:38 | |
| ducttape_ | right (derp) | 20:38 |
| mrunge | do we want a pod? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | not in YVR | 20:38 |
| tqtran | lol write... haha, lets just pick a bench somewhere and call it our pod | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I don't think we need a predetermined space | 20:39 |
| TravT_ | let's just reserve a spot at a nearby bar. | 20:39 |
| mrunge | +1 TravT_ | 20:39 |
| tqtran | after all, it is not the location but the group that makes us a pod (whales) | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | question is should we try using that instead of working session rooms | 20:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | +1 TravT_ =)))) | 20:39 |
| mrunge | both has pros and cons | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to request a similar number and be flexible | 20:39 |
| mrunge | tables outside can be quite noisy | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | +1 - take what is available at location, then karaoke bar works too | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | collab full or half day? | 20:40 |
| mrunge | oh, btw. don't forget a beamer | 20:40 |
| mrunge | I mean, to request a beamer in working rooms | 20:40 |
| TravT_ | seems to me that last part of the last day kind of falls apart at every summit | 20:40 |
| mrunge | can we have 2 half days for collab? | 20:41 |
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| mrunge | on different days? | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | I thought the last day was fairly productive at Vancouver | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | no just last day | 20:41 |
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| mrunge | darn :( | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | Hangover aside | 20:41 |
| mrunge | yupp | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | fishbowls are wed-thur | 20:42 |
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| david-lyle | working sessions are Tue-Thur | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | and contributors meetup is Fri | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | ok I'll ask for both and be flexible | 20:42 |
| mrunge | well, we're scheduling our sessions, right? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: once we have slots | 20:43 |
| mrunge | we can call it x and do y | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: sure | 20:43 |
| mrunge | we already did that in YVR | 20:43 |
| mrunge | ;-) | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | ok, so less fish equal work and contrib | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | will make request | 20:43 |
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| david-lyle | #topic L-3 O_O | 20:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L-3 O_O (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:44 | |
| david-lyle | L-3 is Sept 3 | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | that's it, holy cow | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | no | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-horizon-liberty-priorities | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | ReOrg status? | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | seems to be patches there | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | seems as though so of the reOrg also created some Selenium issues :/ | 20:46 |
| hurgleburgler | which reorg status? | 20:46 |
| hurgleburgler | angular or css? | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, they would've been noticed if the selenium tests were running :/ | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | Line 14 | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | in the linky thing | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | so at this point, we've reduced some of the tech debt, will not finish and created a little along the way | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:47 |
| tqtran | r1chardj0n3s: hows the investigation cominb along? | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | there was a lot to take on | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tqtran: all selenium tests are fixed, patches are in | 20:47 |
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| tqtran | oh nice! | 20:48 |
| hurgleburgler | r1chardj0n3s that's great! | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | #action get selenium actually running in the check/gate | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it wasn't difficult to fix them, but they only broke because the test suite wasn't being exercised :/ | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | #undo | 20:48 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0xa34ce50> | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (l0l) | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | #action david-lyle get selenium actually running in the check/gate | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes, please :) | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | unless someone else has a line on that | 20:49 |
| hurgleburgler | not it! | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not entirely sure how they've been disabled, but I could | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have a line to #infra to do stuff if needed there | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: me either, just now the happy report no tests run but success | 20:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yeah, how about I look into that today | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: excellent | 20:50 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | starting out non-voting, I assume? | 20:50 |
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| david-lyle | ping me if you need help | 20:50 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: if they are passing I'd make them voting | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | they aren't quite as unstable | 20:51 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well, we still need to commit two patches | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | (if running) | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: ok, then non-voting | 20:51 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215408/ | 20:51 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215435/ (though this could be superseded by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156572/ ) | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to jump the rest of the priorities in concern for time, tl;dr; we made significant progress, but took on too much | 20:52 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, regarding the latter there is some research about karma vs. selenium to be done | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | I think our definition of top priority needs some refining | 20:53 |
| ducttape_ | dj18 ? | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: nah, let's get that in, it's good enough for now | 20:53 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, top-priority = on what the most time was spent :) | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I just +1'ed) | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: ah yes | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | should be most of the way there, I have a patch to g-r to bump Django support to >=1.7;<1.9 | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | d-o-a and horizon can support it now | 20:54 |
| ducttape_ | would be good to get time on that new setup so we can find any issues | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | django_openstack_auth 1.4.0 was released this week | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | which supports 1.8 | 20:55 |
| ducttape_ | or, so you guys can find issues w dj1.8 and I don't ;) | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | I've tested it and not seen any issues | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | but that's saying little | 20:55 |
| mrunge | there are still warnings (deprecation warnings) witj django-18 | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: had a patch for that | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | not sure the status | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | I found more earlier | 20:56 |
| mrunge | there are a few.... | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | ok, they are warnings | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | but should be cleaned | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | up | 20:56 |
| * tsufiev snaps eyes at david-lyle and thinks about the integration tests announcement | 20:56 | |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: trying to get there | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | #topic Integration tests | 20:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration tests (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:57 | |
| david-lyle | We have passing integration tests again thanks to tsufiev | 20:57 |
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| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:57 |
| TravT | great work, tsulfiev | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | did the revert merge? | 20:57 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, not yet as it doesn't have +A ) | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | +a'd now | 20:58 |
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| david-lyle | once that's in, the integration tests will be passing | 20:58 |
| tsufiev | so the thing with integration tests is that all cores should now pay attention to them before +2 | 20:58 |
| mrunge | \o/ tsufiev | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | reviewers watch those tests | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | they are not voting | 20:58 |
| tsufiev | otherwise some patch may break them again (before they become voting) | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | if you see a failure on a patch, look into it | 20:59 |
| tsufiev | or ping me | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | great work tsufiev | 20:59 |
| TravT | what time did that go in? | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the important point is we should be paying attention to them, yes | 20:59 |
| TravT | we'll have to run recheck on some patches | 20:59 |
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| david-lyle | we will make these voting once we know we've stabilized | 21:00 |
| tsufiev | TravT, 3 days if I understood the question | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | TravT: well turns out the revert I posted is just making it into the gaet | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | so right now you will see tons of failures | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | :( | 21:00 |
| TravT | ok. | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | like 11 | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | Okay. So integration tests fail, no approval? | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | Or just, make a note of it | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | See if it can be fixed etc | 21:01 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, it's not always easy :( | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: if the failure is related to the change then no approval | 21:01 |
| mrunge | what if a client lib update broke integration tests? | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | but can be hard to diagnose | 21:01 |
| tsufiev | I mean understanding what's wrong with them | 21:01 |
| robcresswell | Yep, understood | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: that should be a bug filed on horizon | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | ok we're over time. Please just watch the integration tests | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone | 21:02 |
| * robcresswell nudges everyone to take a look at Curvature in the final week :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141078/ | 21:02 | |
| robcresswell | :p | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | there was someone with a question that we didn't get to, please ask in #openstack-horizon | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | I'll be there | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 21:02:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-26-20.01.html | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-26-20.01.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-08-26-20.01.log.html | 21:02 |
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| tsufiev | good bye and thanks for your appreciation :) | 21:02 |
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| mrunge | thanks everyone, good night | 21:03 |
| swati_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-reports-in-different-formats I had raised some queries on submitting the reports in CSV and PDF formats. Anybody had a look on this? | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | swati_: can you ask your question in #openstack-horizon please | 21:03 |
| swati_ | ok sure | 21:03 |
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