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| flaper87 | vkmc: flwang flwang1 ? | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | therve: ? | 15:01 |
| vkmc | oh hai o/ | 15:01 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:01 |
| therve | Hola | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 15:01:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
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| therve | o/ | 15:02 |
| ryansb | \o | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | I think we have "CHORUS" ;) | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | vkmc flwang focus | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | that's our agenda for today. IT's not fixed, keep your topics handy and prepare to add them at runtime | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | jasondotstar: hey there :D | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | Hey | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | #topic Review Items from last week | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | need to put this meeting on my cal | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Items from last week (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:03 | |
| flaper87 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-08-17-21.01.html | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | jasondotstar: I'll add you to the list of courtesy pings | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | vkmc sync with folks from horizon | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | gr8 thx | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 15:04 |
| ryansb | jasondotstar: you can get all the meetings from http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 15:04 |
| ryansb | there's a nice iCal you can import | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 15:04 |
| * ryansb gets back on topic | 15:04 | |
| flaper87 | vkmc: 1 | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: 2 | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: 3 | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | flwang1 to sync with folks from swift about a possible joint session for zaqar+swift (swift notification middleware) | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | flwang: ^ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | flwang: dude, you should really use 1 nick | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | it's confusing | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | I can't figure out which one is your evil side | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | flwang: 1 | 15:05 |
| flwang | flaper87: i have two computes :D | 15:05 |
| vkmc | sorry, all the lag | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: no worries, lets wait for flwang to provide feedback | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | flwang: ZNC is the answer to all your problems | 15:06 |
| flwang | i was trying to catch the guy, but not response | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | flwang: news on that? | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:06 |
| flwang | i will send a mail to thim | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #action flwang to chase down notmyname and the person behind zaqar+swift middleware | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | vkmc sync with folks from horizon about a possible joint session for zaqar+horizon ? | 15:07 |
| flwang | the patch has been not activity more than 1 month, so i think he is busy | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | flwang: likely, and not high-prio | 15:07 |
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| flaper87 | but lets keep up with it and help moving it forward | 15:07 |
| flwang | flaper87: sure | 15:08 |
| * flaper87 waits for vkmc to get back from lag-land | 15:08 | |
| vkmc | couldn't do that this week, I couldn't find the etherpad we had with the Horizon use case | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ok, think you'll have time this week ? | 15:08 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yeah, sorry about that | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | hard to tell but I'll action you | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #action vkmc to sync with folks from horizon about a possible joint session for zaqar+horizon ? | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | #action vkmc to sync with folks from horizon about a possible joint session for zaqar+horizon | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | flaper87 to sync with folks from Sahara about their guest-agent use-case | 15:08 |
| ryansb | lol. python default __repr__ | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | I talked to SergeyLukjanov and he mentioned he was going to bring the topic up during last week's Sahara meeting | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | I've to check if that happened or not | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | I also promissed docs on signed url and I need to complete that | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to write docs for pre-signed urls | 15:09 |
| therve | flaper87, Before you do that maybe https://review.openstack.org/215638 is worth a look | 15:10 |
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| flaper87 | therve: awesome, thanks :D | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic Pending important reviews | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pending important reviews (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:10 | |
| therve | Not that I want to derail doc writing :) | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | therve: not at all, I'll take a look at that first | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215638/ | 15:11 |
| ryansb | I'll add that to my review list | 15:11 |
| ryansb | flaper87: speaking of reviews, when do I get the magic +2 power? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: right after the meeting when I was supposed to welcome you during the open discussion | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | but since you SPOILED it | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | I guess I could do it now | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:11 |
| * ryansb didn't see that as a topic | 15:12 | |
| jasondotstar | hey the initial puppet review is still pending | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | jokes apart, lemme finish this and I'll add you to the magic group | 15:12 |
| flwang | flaper87: i just have a chat with cschwede the author of the notification middleware author | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213744/ (ws auth) | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | that patch from last week is still pending | 15:12 |
| flwang | who will submit a new patchset this week | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | anyone care looking at it? | 15:12 |
| flwang | just FYI | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | flwang: AWESOME | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204225/ | 15:12 |
| ryansb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204225/ (puppet review) | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | I've looked at it | 15:13 |
| * ryansb adds ws auth to queue | 15:13 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202374/ (email notification) | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | flwang: you need to update that one | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | it's got a couple unit test fails, but I'm thinking it might be b/c the class defs are empty | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | basically looks to import the puppet template code | 15:13 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212828/ (move get|inc_counter methods) | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | I'll update that one | 15:14 |
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| flwang | jasondotstar: you can you give it a hand, it would be awesome | 15:14 |
| therve | jasondotstar, That's a lot of random crap | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | flwang: a hand with? | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195010/ (ws claims) | 15:14 |
| jasondotstar | therve: the puppet template stuff is crap, you mean? | 15:14 |
| flwang | we are waiting it for adopting zaqar in our prod | 15:14 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204225/ | 15:15 |
| therve | jasondotstar, I guess I should verbose and possibly duplicated? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199824/ (make unreliable False by default) | 15:15 |
| * therve shut up he doesn't know anything about puppet | 15:15 | |
| flaper87 | we basically didn't land any of the patches from last week | 15:15 |
| flwang | flaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199824/ failed to build the doc | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | we gotta keep up with reviews, especially now that we're just a couple of weeks away from the freeze | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | flwang: will look at it | 15:15 |
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| flwang | since the reliable = false will always throw a runtime error | 15:16 |
| flwang | though it works fine on my local, i haven't figured it out | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | jasondotstar: I'll look at the puppet one and see if I spot something | 15:16 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | flwang: pls, make sure to upate both your patches so we can move them forward | 15:16 |
| flwang | flaper87: if you can push the puppet one, it would be awesome | 15:16 |
| flwang | you know, we really really need it | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yup | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on (unless someone has other patches) | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I think the ones linked are enough for a week :D | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | but pls, don't stop yourself from doing more | 15:17 |
| flwang | flaper87: i will, my son is sick, so i can't work at daytime, that's why you can see my now | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: no worries, I'm happy to help if you need support on a patch | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | I can help with quick amends/fixes | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | (any of us can, actually) | 15:18 |
| flwang | thank you, i will raise my hand :) | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | #topic OpenStack Summit Revisited (Tokyo) | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit Revisited (Tokyo) (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:18 | |
| flaper87 | Last week I mentioned that we should start thinking about Tokyo | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to stress this topic a bit more and add to what I said last week that we won't have many fishbowl session | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | sessions* | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | well, no one will have as many as in previous summits | 15:19 |
| flwang | due to big tent? | 15:19 |
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| flaper87 | So, we gotta be prepared to have 2 fishbowl (or just one) and several workrooms | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | flwang: no, just sapce and time. So yeah, big tent | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | jokes apart, it's more related to space and time | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | I don't have the details but the hope is Austin won't have this problem | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | anyway, back on topic | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | pls, think of sessions in the form of workrooms where we can fit fewer brains but get more things done | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | no offense to the masses | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's all I have | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | #topic Pre-Open Discussion | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pre-Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:21 | |
| flaper87 | does anyone have any other topic to discuss? | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | Otherwise, we can move to Open Discussion | 15:22 |
| therve | Won't be in Tokyo, so please do'nt hesitate to have discussions outside of the summit :) | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | therve: very good point, I'll make sure all discussions are properly logged and that a good summary is sent out | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | therve: sad to not have you there :( | 15:22 |
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| ryansb | in general, remote-friendly summit activity is a great thing | 15:23 |
| flwang | flaper87: re the submit session, i think we can propose a integration status update and a feature updates, like websocket and notification | 15:23 |
| ryansb | so keep doing public etherpads and such | 15:23 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: I'd love one of those sessions to be cross-project | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | but we'll see | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | I have 2 topics | 15:23 |
| vkmc | IMO we can make it work for the work sessions | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | well, 1, I just forgot about one of the topic | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | #topic PTL elections | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL elections (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:24 | |
| vkmc | not so sure about the fishbowls... but since we don't have so many, its ok | 15:24 |
| dclain_ | Outlook for branching Liberty distribution, has this been discussed yet? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | The PTL elections are 1 month away from now, please, don't hesitate to send your candidacy. Zaqar has lacked of multiple-candidates elections which are good and healthy | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | I understand our community is not big but pls, don't hesitate to put your name out there | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | #topic Cross-Project Liaison | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross-Project Liaison (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:25 | |
| flaper87 | It's probably a bit late to bring this since this effort started a while back | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | HOWEVER | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | we've not been very involved in cross-project activities in the past, which is probably why our impact hasn't been as good | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | Now that projects are starting to consume Zaqar, it's extremely important for us to be around and participate in CPL activities | 15:26 |
| ryansb | are there specific CPL tasks that you thin are most needed? | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | Therefore, I'd like to ask if some of you would like to be the CP Liaison for Zaqar | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | ryansb: right now, I think presence is important | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | ryansb: about to ask the same thing | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | devstack maintnance is important | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | and make sure we don't break others | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | Bring feedback from requirements changes | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | from API-wg changes etc | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | should we 'sell' consuming zaqar to other projects ? | 15:27 |
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| flaper87 | jasondotstar: we've been doing that. More than selling, we're trying to solve existing projects | 15:28 |
| therve | Not sure it should be just one person. But I'm totally cool with maintaining the in-tree devstack plugin | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | we addressed use cases for Heat | 15:28 |
| * ryansb is already api-wg'ing | 15:28 | |
| flaper87 | now we are moving forward with other projects | 15:28 |
| therve | (Should we delete the one in devstack itself btw?) | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | but this is not about selling Zaqar | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | flaper87: ack. | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | but being part of the CP efforts and meeting | 15:28 |
| ryansb | therve: I'd say yeah, since the plugin is "the way" | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | the meeting happens in a time that is very inconvenient for me | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | and it's hard for me to attend | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | whic is? | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | Tue 21 UTC | 15:29 |
| therve | Uh yeah that sucks | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | therve: right? :( | 15:29 |
| flwang | flaper87: seems it's works for me? | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | flwang: if you can attend, pls do. | 15:29 |
| flwang | I think that's my 9:00am | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | I think the only thing we need from our CPL is to bring/give feedback | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | We'll totally split tasks | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | but please, we need you to attend the meetings | 15:30 |
| flwang | ok, just put my name on | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | flwang: thanks :) | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | that's it from me | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | anything else? can we move on? | 15:31 |
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| ryansb | FYI I'm already the heat CPL for the APIWG | 15:31 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: and you're Zaqar's as well, you just don't know that | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:31 |
| ryansb | since I already go to the meetings, I can also go for zaqar | 15:32 |
| ryansb | ah, so I am | 15:32 |
| ryansb | ;) | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:32 | |
| flaper87 | Everyone, pls, welcome ryansb to the Zaqar's core team | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/104,members | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | He's now gotten all the rights and priviledges | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | and he's ready to break Zaqar | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:34 |
| ryansb | you mean improve, right? | 15:34 |
| * jasondotstar salutes | 15:34 | |
| flaper87 | Jokes apart, ryansb thanks for joining and for taking this duty on | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's it for realz | 15:34 |
| flwang | ryansb: http://i1.wp.com/openstackreactions.enovance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/getting-ptl.gif?resize=480%2C360 | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | unless there are other open discussions, I'll end the meeting | 15:35 |
| ryansb | lol, thanks everyone | 15:35 |
| ryansb | flaper87: sgtm | 15:35 |
| * flaper87 is glad flwang likes OSReactions | 15:35 | |
| flwang | flaper87: thanks | 15:35 |
| therve | Congrats ryansb :) | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | ok, meeting ending in: | 15:35 |
| vkmc | congrats ryansb! | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | 3 | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | 2 | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | 1 | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 15:36:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-08-24-15.01.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-08-24-15.01.txt | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: <3 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-08-24-15.01.log.html | 15:36 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 16:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| j^2 | hey everyone! | 16:00 |
| j^2 | please checkin when you’re here | 16:00 |
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| frickler | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jklare | hi o\ | 16:01 |
| sc` | o/ | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | nice i’ll give 2 more mins | 16:04 |
| j^2 | ok cool | 16:05 |
| j^2 | #topic stable/kilo | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable/kilo (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:05 | |
| j^2 | i want to stamp stable/kilo on thursday | 16:05 |
| j^2 | i believe we have everything working and everyhting set up | 16:05 |
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| j^2 | can i ask for a volunteer to help me on thursday? | 16:06 |
| j^2 | i’m betting if we work together we can get everything knocked out in about 2-3 hours | 16:06 |
| jklare | and then there was silence.... | 16:06 |
| j^2 | yeah | 16:06 |
| j^2 | i figured | 16:06 |
| j^2 | let’s take a second and ask first, any objections to us stamping on thursday? | 16:07 |
| sc` | depending on the time of day, i might have time | 16:07 |
| j^2 | what time works for you sc` ? | 16:07 |
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| jklare | did any1 look at the open bugs and unfinished blueprints that were assigned to kilo? | 16:08 |
| j^2 | markvan: | 16:08 |
| j^2 | he did | 16:08 |
| sc` | probably early morning | 16:08 |
| j^2 | aw shit | 16:08 |
| jklare | because as far as i can tell there are still things open | 16:08 |
| j^2 | i was going to say i was deicating 2pmCDT onwards to this | 16:09 |
| j^2 | all my meeting are in the morning | 16:09 |
| jklare | so i think we should probably have a quick walk through these and reassign if necessary before cutting kilo | 16:09 |
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| j^2 | agreed | 16:09 |
| j^2 | want to do it right now? | 16:09 |
| j^2 | iirc there shouldnt be much left | 16:10 |
| jklare | i see 4 blueprints | 16:10 |
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| jklare | and 35 bugs | 16:10 |
| jklare | question is if they all should be solved in kilo | 16:10 |
| jklare | but probably at least the 9 ones on medium | 16:10 |
| j^2 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-chef/+spec/chef-cinder-backup | 16:11 |
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| j^2 | so that one looks complete according to what i’m reading | 16:11 |
| j^2 | got a +1 on taht? | 16:11 |
| jklare | i cant read through the patches that quickly | 16:12 |
| jklare | give me a second | 16:12 |
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| jklare | looks like he implemented what he described in the bp | 16:13 |
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| jklare | no idea if its working | 16:14 |
| j^2 | yeah | 16:14 |
| j^2 | we don’t test that stuff | 16:14 |
| j^2 | we only really verify compute | 16:14 |
| jklare | so maybe we rather ask via our mailing list people to comment on these open blueprints? | 16:14 |
| markvan | howdy....(out of the woods now...) | 16:14 |
| j^2 | i’d love to, but that feedback loop is like 2 weeks at best | 16:14 |
| jklare | hi | 16:15 |
| j^2 | the packages for liberty are going to start be released any day now, and we need to start working on it | 16:15 |
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| j^2 | markvan: can you follow up with your guys in china to see if they have completed their bps? | 16:17 |
| j^2 | they look done, but they havent been closed | 16:17 |
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| markvan | yup, I can do that, I think most are ready to close out. will berify. | 16:17 |
| j^2 | nice | 16:17 |
| j^2 | and i’ve bumpd the two others to Liberty, one is something i never started, and can’t any time soon, and the other one is alanmeadows who as much as he’s awesome i havent seen him around | 16:18 |
| j^2 | speaking of, wheres my desginate cookbook eh? alanmeadows | 16:18 |
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| j^2 | ok, so with that, we need to clean up the bugs and bump ones that arent mission critical? | 16:21 |
| markvan | I will also scan bugs to see if anything pops out that really needed for kilo | 16:21 |
| j^2 | markvan: are you around on thursday? | 16:21 |
| markvan | yup, I can help | 16:22 |
| j^2 | awesome, i’ll post a zoom on thursday around 2pmCDT and anyone who wants to join can | 16:23 |
| j^2 | cool, so we have the bugs and bps covered | 16:25 |
| j^2 | we have till thursday to make this happen | 16:26 |
| j^2 | anything else? | 16:26 |
| j^2 | jklare: has something he’d like to talk about | 16:26 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:26 |
| jklare | i started writing down this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213042/ | 16:26 |
| j^2 | #topic review jklare want’s to talk about | 16:26 |
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| jklare | which is basically suggesting a complete rework on how we use templates for service.confs | 16:27 |
| j^2 | can that help us get to keystone v3? | 16:27 |
| j^2 | i know there’s requirements in there with that | 16:27 |
| jklare | not sure about that | 16:28 |
| j^2 | ah, i thought there were parallels theer | 16:28 |
| jklare | but i think it should simplify all the coming upgrade | 16:28 |
| j^2 | my bad | 16:28 |
| j^2 | that’s always good ;) | 16:28 |
| markvan | keystone v3 has more to do with our use of the deprecated keystone client vs the new openstack client. | 16:29 |
| j^2 | ah yeah we need to make that happen in liberty, it HAS to happen | 16:29 |
| j^2 | from the conversations I’ve been having, there is a HUGE push for the openstack-client | 16:29 |
| jklare | the whole idea behind this spec is to simplify the way we create a config file, be more generic about it through all cookbooks | 16:29 |
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| jklare | and ofc allow people to wrap then more easily | 16:30 |
| jklare | i wrote about most of these things in the spec | 16:30 |
| j^2 | +1 | 16:30 |
| jklare | so it would be great if you could take a look at that and tell me if we want to do this or not | 16:30 |
| jklare | because it will mean a lot of refactoring through all cookbooks and cut a lot of code | 16:31 |
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| j^2 | yeah that’s liberty ;) | 16:31 |
| j^2 | because that’s what were doing for liberty, simplication and more simplication | 16:32 |
| markvan | I'll take a peek... | 16:32 |
| jklare | cool | 16:32 |
| j^2 | cool, any other objections? | 16:33 |
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| jklare | nope | 16:34 |
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| j^2 | #topic General Discussions | 16:34 |
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| j^2 | open floor | 16:35 |
| markvan | just a thought that we should look at updating tool chain (chefdk, etc..) during liberty | 16:35 |
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| jklare | yep | 16:37 |
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| jklare | is there any roadmap for chefdk? | 16:38 |
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| j^2 | kinda | 16:44 |
| j^2 | it moves really fast | 16:44 |
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| j^2 | i’ll take an action item to find some type of roadmap jklare | 16:45 |
| sc` | 0.7.0 was recently released | 16:45 |
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| j^2 | yep | 16:45 |
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| j^2 | :D | 16:50 |
| j^2 | ok, we have our things to do | 16:50 |
| j^2 | lets make this happen and by next monday we should have stable/kilo | 16:51 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 16:51:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-24-16.00.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-24-16.00.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-08-24-16.00.log.html | 16:51 |
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| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 17:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| gabriel-bezerra | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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| devananda | g'morning / afternoon / evening, everyone! | 17:00 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | As usual, the agenda can be found here: | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | good UGT morning | 17:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| Nisha_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| mariojv | \o | 17:01 |
| thiagop | morning y'all | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | oh devananda will out burning things for a couple of weekes :) | 17:02 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | as NobodyCam has pointed out ... I will be off in the dessert for a few weeks | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: excellent annoucemnt :) | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | enjoy! | 17:02 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:02 |
| betherly | o/ hi all | 17:02 |
| devananda | #info devananda offline for vacation soon -- rough dates are Aug 27 - Sept 8 | 17:02 |
| thiagop | have fun devananda | 17:02 |
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| rloo | devananda: while you're away, do others have authority to do stuff you can do? | 17:03 |
| trown | o/ | 17:03 |
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| devananda | also, jroll and I are going to try *really* hard to get a release cut this week | 17:03 |
| rloo | devananda: eg, did we do a release of ironic | 17:03 |
| rloo | devananda: yeah that ^^ | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Uh, jroll is on vacation | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ for the release | 17:03 |
| devananda | eh? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | oops | 17:03 |
| JayF | Jim will be back next week :) | 17:03 |
| devananda | JayF: when does jroll get back? | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | At least I think he is | 17:04 |
| devananda | ahahaha | 17:04 |
| devananda | well then | 17:04 |
| devananda | #info jroll on vacation this week, back next week | 17:04 |
| rloo | devananda: also, there's a feature freeze for liberty coming up. how does that affect ironic. it isn't clear to me wrt our new release process. | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, what is needed for the release? | 17:04 |
| devananda | let's talk about the release in more detail in another section of the meeting | 17:04 |
| devananda | anyone else have announcements? | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | I've refactored our whiteboard a bit | 17:05 |
| * dtantsur hides | 17:05 | |
| devananda | rloo: if you don't mind, I'll inject the release discussion right after the subteam status report, and before your topic | 17:05 |
| rloo | devananda: ok with me | 17:05 |
| lazy_prince | o/ | 17:05 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: whiteboard looks fine to me :) | 17:05 |
| devananda | thanks! | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:05 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 17:06 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:06 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: want to update on bug status? | 17:06 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: want to update on the neutron work, since jroll is out? | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:06 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: sure | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | devananda, nothing except for what is on the whiteboard.. | 17:07 |
| devananda | dtantsur: great :) | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur, jlvillal: where's the link to get more info on the nova bugs? | 17:07 |
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| Sukhdev | We are in the middle of integration testing | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | devananda, would be cool if you manage to review ironic-lib gate testing patches | 17:07 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: opps - Looks like I am out of order | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | rloo: This? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-Ironic-Bugs | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | they're on the whiteboard as well | 17:07 |
| devananda | dtantsur: 50 "in progress" seems a little high to me. how many of those do you think are stale? | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | rloo: Or this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ironic | 17:08 |
| rloo | jlvillal: the first one. thx. | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'm afraid not less that a half... yeah, we should start pinging people, I'll add to my todo list | 17:08 |
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| devananda | jlvillal: that's a great summary wiki page. looks like it's not autogenerated though? | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | devananda: Yeah, mrda and I update it each week. | 17:09 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, jlvillal, some nova bugs information is on the bug dashboard | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | We have a bug scrub each Tuesday. | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | which is ironic-divius.rhcloud.com | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | Ah :) | 17:10 |
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| thiagop | OneView team is working on integration tests and would like to put the 3rd party CI to work ASAP. Are we clear to add it to the stack as soon as the tests are ready? | 17:10 |
| devananda | pshige_: docs patch merge \o/ | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | thiagop, you can add the 3rd party CI at anything I think | 17:11 |
| devananda | api version testing still hasn't landed in tempest .. that makes me sad too | 17:11 |
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| lucasagomes | it's all good | 17:11 |
| thiagop | any objections (since the driver isn't yet merged, might be some...) | 17:11 |
| thiagop | ? | 17:11 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166386/ | 17:11 |
| devananda | woops, meant to paste that elsewhere | 17:12 |
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| devananda | thiagop: I see that the spec is approved. has the code been reviewed yet by anyone? | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, the comments there seems just syntax nitpicks and typo | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | :-( | 17:12 |
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| * lucasagomes can push a new patch-set fixing those if it makes the tempest guys happier | 17:13 | |
| thiagop | just preliminarily devananda | 17:13 |
| devananda | thiagop: ok, so there is no guarantee when it will land | 17:13 |
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| rloo | thx lucasagomes | 17:14 |
| devananda | thiagop: it's up to reviewers what they review when, and there are several high priority items to review that were approved a long time ago, so... | 17:14 |
| thiagop | if somebody have time to take a look, OneView driver code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191822/ | 17:15 |
| devananda | TheJulia: how goes the bifrost gate testing stuff? | 17:15 |
| vdrok_ | also qas were asking for help reviewing this tempest patch, if you have time - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178607/ | 17:15 |
| thiagop | np devananda, but your idea is to wait until merge the driver to put up the CI? | 17:15 |
| devananda | thiagop: could you add a link to the gerrit review(s) for your code to the whiteboard? | 17:15 |
| TheJulia | devananda: Just need the changes to land in infra to rename the test, and I can propose for ironic/shade | 17:15 |
| devananda | thiagop: under the "Drivers" section | 17:15 |
| thiagop | devananda: sure | 17:15 |
| devananda | thiagop: you can put up the CI any time. Start with the "experimental" pipeline, so that you[r team] can trigger the jobs on your patches | 17:16 |
| devananda | and that way it doesn't report on any other patches yet | 17:16 |
| devananda | TheJulia: awesome | 17:16 |
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| thiagop | devananda: roger roger | 17:17 |
| devananda | good stuff, everyone! | 17:17 |
| devananda | anything else before we move on? | 17:17 |
| thiagop | nicodemos: ^ | 17:17 |
| rloo | i htink Sukhdev didn't finish | 17:17 |
| devananda | rloo: ooh, thanks | 17:18 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: we try to go through the status updates quickly, so it's not exactly "ordered" | 17:18 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: you want me to provide status now? | 17:18 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: jroll is on vacation AIUI, so, yes please | 17:19 |
| devananda | this is the part of our meeting where subteams report their status. we'll move into discussions of specific topics shortly | 17:19 |
| Sukhdev | We are in the middle of integration testing and have discovered some issues, which we are addressing | 17:19 |
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| NobodyCam | Sukhdev: are there bug or a list of the issues? | 17:19 |
| Sukhdev | One of the blocker is the authentication issue when ironic driver makes create_port() request to neutron - the context is not set correctly, hence it is rejected | 17:20 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle | 17:20 |
| Sukhdev | NobodyCam: this etherpad lists all the patches, TODO's etc. | 17:20 |
| Sukhdev | We are using this etherpad to track the patches and issues | 17:20 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: ah - that is an ironic admin context, not the nova user context, yes? | 17:21 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 17:21 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: correct - that is what we were discussing in our meeting earlier lazy_prince is looking at it | 17:21 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: great | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | thank you Sukhdev | 17:21 |
| Sukhdev | as soon as an updated patch comes in, this will unblock us | 17:22 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: sounds good. thx for the update! | 17:22 |
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| devananda | krotscheck: hi there! did you want to update on webclient? | 17:22 |
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| Nisha_away | devananda, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=remove-swift-dependency-for-ilo-drivers is not listed under priorities list of ironic while the specis merged for it long back | 17:22 |
| Sukhdev | essentially, I am taking all the patches and running end-to-end integration testing and providing feedback to the members so that they can be fixed | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | devananda: CORS is still broken because pxe tests. | 17:23 |
| krotscheck | devananda: Also, people don't like the patch. | 17:23 |
| rloo | Sukhdev: thanks for the testing! | 17:23 |
| devananda | krotscheck: I have added a section to our whiteboard for you! (and for betherly) | 17:23 |
| krotscheck | That's all I got. | 17:23 |
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| devananda | krotscheck: link to patch? | 17:23 |
| krotscheck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199769/ | 17:23 |
| Sukhdev | rloo: no problem | 17:23 |
| krotscheck | Note, that's the second patch. The first one started in may | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199769/ | 17:24 |
| krotscheck | (before summit, because summit) | 17:24 |
| devananda | krotscheck: ok - noted on the status pad. thanks! | 17:24 |
| devananda | we're way over time -- moving on now. tanks all! | 17:24 |
| devananda | #topic release status | 17:24 |
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| devananda | this is an unintended topic | 17:24 |
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| devananda | mostly, jroll and I had wanted to do a 4.0.0 release back at the midcycle | 17:24 |
| devananda | and ran into actual issues in the gate, with how the release mgmt team has changed the release process during Liberty | 17:25 |
| devananda | dhellmann is going to work with me to fix those today, I hope | 17:25 |
| devananda | however I am now sad that jroll is on vacation this week, since it means he's not going to be around to help or iron out issues after the fact | 17:25 |
| devananda | since I am going on vacation on Thursday morning | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: is there a bug or is this just a learning curve issue? | 17:25 |
| devananda | learning curve issues | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | :) ack | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, can you defer it to someone then? | 17:26 |
| devananda | they changed things to enable the stuff we want. we didn't track it | 17:26 |
| devananda | we == mostly me, and some jroll | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | what exactly to the release to happen ? (if it's not too long) | 17:26 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: sort of. except the person I was deferring it to is on vacation (jroll) | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | exactly is needed* | 17:26 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I'm still figuring that out :( | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll has some patch to tag at 4.0.0. sorry it is vague | 17:26 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214301/2 | 17:27 |
| rloo | i remember seeing it last week. can find it later. | 17:27 |
| rloo | that's it! ^^ | 17:27 |
| devananda | that, however, isn't the whole picture | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right, if you progress with that I think we have enough people around that may help with it | 17:27 |
| devananda | right | 17:28 |
| devananda | so that's the update | 17:28 |
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| devananda | I wish I had a clearer update for ya'll :-/ | 17:28 |
| devananda | also the next topic is, well, fun :) | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | it's cool, still on going | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | :-) | 17:28 |
| rloo | devananda: even if "we" manage to clear things up, will something have to wait for you to do? | 17:29 |
| rloo | devananda: aren't you the only one that can do a release? | 17:29 |
| devananda | rloo: of the client? yes, for now | 17:29 |
| rloo | devananda: wasn't thinking of the client, but i'll touch base with you later about my question | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | I think rloo means for Ironic | 17:30 |
| devananda | because jroll's gpg key isn't signed by the relmgr team :-/ | 17:30 |
| devananda | on the server? no. actually, I can't do that. | 17:30 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:30 |
| devananda | only the relmgr team can | 17:30 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, good to know. | 17:30 |
| devananda | and I have designated jroll as the liaison there -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 17:30 |
| devananda | hence the awkwardness of him being on vacation right now :p | 17:31 |
| devananda | anway, it is what it is. we all need vacations some times :) | 17:31 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 17:31 |
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| devananda | #topic API version defaults in the python client | 17:31 |
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| devananda | rloo: that's you! want to give the back story? | 17:31 |
| rloo | i put that cuz there's email on the devlist and i think we just need to decide. | 17:32 |
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| rloo | the issue is that the client now defaults to the 'latest' microversion | 17:32 |
| lucasagomes | it defaults to 1.6 | 17:32 |
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| rloo | but folks feel that is wrong, so i think we have agreed that it should default to the lowest version | 17:32 |
| rloo | yeah. so currently, it is set to default to 1.6, the client that has been released i mean. | 17:32 |
| rloo | and the client in master is at 1.9 or something like that | 17:33 |
| rloo | and devananda submitted a patch to set it back to 1.6 | 17:33 |
| devananda | dropping it to 1.1 is an immediate change that will break nearly every user out there, including many of our CI jobs | 17:33 |
| devananda | 1.6 and 1.9 are both "safe-ish" | 17:33 |
| rloo | and i think we should just decide. i don't think 1.1 is realistic any more cuz of kilo. | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I think we should default to either 1.6 or 1.9 | 17:33 |
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| rloo | agreed, 1.6 or 1.9 | 17:33 |
| devananda | and I proposed 1.6 because most users consume the client from releases | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | IMHO since 1.9 is already merged on master (and we usually assume that people use master) I think we should go with 1.9 | 17:34 |
| rloo | wrt not breaking anyone else, lucasagomes suggested 1.9 | 17:34 |
| devananda | whether those are distro packages or pip packages -- those are all at 1.6 right now | 17:34 |
| devananda | so pinning there is the "safest" | 17:34 |
| devananda | rather than "safeish" | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | also from 1.6 to 1.9 there are no backward incompatible changes | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | meaning that we won't break users using the default from last release | 17:34 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I do not assume anyone uses master, except for rackspace | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | and delorean... | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, well, they are one but we don't have any data | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | so better we assume people use (you just gave 2 examples) | 17:34 |
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| devananda | sure - I know they do. I assume others _might_ use master. but I _know_ many, many users who consume packages | 17:35 |
| * devananda points to the user survey | 17:35 | |
| trown | there is also packaging from master though | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, but that's cool, that's why I think 1.9 would be better | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | cause it doesn't break any of those | 17:35 |
| devananda | sure | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | while putting it back to 1.6 may break rackspace and/or delorean | 17:35 |
| devananda | so between 1.6 and 1.9 I dont have a terribly strong view | 17:35 |
| devananda | I'll give a few minutes for any other viewpoints to be expressed before we vote :) | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:36 |
| trown | 1.9 is the least breakage in my view since it does not break 1.6 | 17:36 |
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| NobodyCam | I would be okay with 1.9 here... just a side question that is not ment to side track the converastion.. when do we forsee a value > 1.11 being the default? | 17:36 |
| thiagop | if it doesn't breaks with 1.6, we should go with the more up to date version | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | 1.6 sounds cleaner, but 1.9 is probably the right thing to do... | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, never? :) | 17:36 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: i'm hoping we can decide that we'll do that for N | 17:37 |
| * jlvillal assumes they are not talking about the DeLorean motor company. | 17:37 | |
| * TheJulia requests time machine | 17:37 | |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, heh no :-) not back to the future | 17:37 |
| * betherly agrees with TheJulia | 17:38 | |
| devananda | fwiw, I feel that 1.6 is the cleanest because it pins the default to Kilo's default | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | nor* | 17:38 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: never? | 17:38 |
| trown | jlvillal: https://github.com/openstack-packages/delorean | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | ack :/ | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | trown: Thanks. I was confused :/ | 17:38 |
| devananda | re: delorean, rather than just 'they package master' -- I would like to know if they use any features from v1.7 ... v1.9 | 17:38 |
| devananda | if not, then it shouldn't affect them | 17:38 |
| devananda | ah - but that's not something we are likely to answer right now | 17:39 |
| trown | devananda: that would be more about the users of the delorean packages though | 17:39 |
| rloo | I agree with devananda that 1.6 is the "cleanest", but to avoid breaking anyone even delorean or some unknown out there, it probably doesn't hurt to use 1.9 | 17:39 |
| devananda | yea. I just realized that | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | agreed about cleaneast, but I still prefer to not break users using packaging OR master when possible | 17:39 |
| trown | which is anyone consuming RDO | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | s/OR/AND* | 17:39 |
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| devananda | rloo: "probably doesn't hurt" <<< sounds like my motto: "what could possibly go wrong" | 17:40 |
| devananda | also, both are famous last words :) | 17:40 |
| rloo | devananda: i believe you're the one that tells us to try not to break anyone? | 17:40 |
| devananda | indeed | 17:40 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I may regret this, but don't worry about breaking our tools | 17:40 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: if we need to change our API versions we can and are willing to | 17:40 |
| devananda | JayF: thank you. ya'll are great at keeping up with changes to upstream | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, right, well I do | 17:40 |
| devananda | it's the rest of the world that consumes from packages which I worry about | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, cause I know it may not be only you | 17:41 |
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| devananda | ok, we could discuss this all day, so let's vote | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | 19 minutes left | 17:41 |
| rloo | devananda: if i understand you, you mean that folks that are using packages are using 1.6, so if we change to 1.9 it might possibly break them but we don't think it will? | 17:41 |
| devananda | #vote Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad? 1.6, 1.9, latest, abstain | 17:42 |
| devananda | #startvote Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad? 1.6, 1.9, latest, abstain | 17:42 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad? Valid vote options are 1, 6, 1, 9, latest, abstain. | 17:42 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:42 |
| JayF | #vote abstain | 17:43 |
| devananda | #endvote | 17:43 |
| openstack | Voted on "Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad?" Results are | 17:43 |
| openstack | abstain (1): JayF | 17:43 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:43 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Vote object at 0x9d04c10> | 17:43 |
| devananda | there's a typo | 17:43 |
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| devananda | #startvote Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad? 16, 19, latest, abstain | 17:43 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad? Valid vote options are 16, 19, latest, abstain. | 17:43 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:43 |
| devananda | apparently periods are separators | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | #vote 19 | 17:43 |
| thiagop | #vote 19 | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | #vote 19 | 17:43 |
| gabriel-bezerra | #vote latest | 17:43 |
| krotscheck | ##vote latest | 17:43 |
| rloo | #vote 19 | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | #vote abstain | 17:43 |
| devananda | #vote 16 | 17:43 |
| krotscheck | #vote latest | 17:43 |
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| TheJulia | #vote 16 | 17:43 |
| Nisha_away | #vote abstain | 17:43 |
| jlvillal | #vote abstain | 17:43 |
| trown | #vote 19 | 17:43 |
| JoshNang | #vote 19 | 17:44 |
| mariojv | #vote 19 | 17:44 |
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| BadCub | #vote abstain | 17:44 |
| vdrok_ | #vote 19 | 17:44 |
| cinerama | #vote abstain | 17:44 |
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| JayF | #vote abstain | 17:44 |
| devananda | giving in 30 seconds more | 17:44 |
| betherly | #vote latest | 17:44 |
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| devananda | #endvote | 17:45 |
| openstack | Voted on "Pin and release a client with which versions ... 1.6 may affect users-of-trunk but is cleanest, 1.9 is newer than kilo but probably safe, latest is probably bad?" Results are | 17:45 |
| openstack | 19 (8): NobodyCam, rloo, vdrok_, mariojv, trown, lucasagomes, JoshNang, thiagop | 17:45 |
| openstack | 16 (2): TheJulia, devananda | 17:45 |
| openstack | abstain (6): cinerama, jlvillal, BadCub, JayF, Nisha_away, dtantsur | 17:45 |
| openstack | latest (3): betherly, krotscheck, gabriel-bezerra | 17:45 |
| devananda | 1.9 is the clear leader. also it has the most votes from core reviewers present | 17:45 |
| rloo | latest breaks almost the whole world... | 17:45 |
| devananda | #agreed we'll pin the client to 1.9 | 17:45 |
| devananda | #topic tokyo session layout | 17:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tokyo session layout (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:46 | |
| devananda | last time we had 2 fishbowl + 6 boardroom + 2 meetup | 17:46 |
| devananda | tokyo has smaller rooms and fewer fishbowls... and more projects! | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: are the fish bowls smaller too? | 17:46 |
| devananda | I think we need fishbowls because of these big topics: ironic+neutron, ironic+nova, deployment/packaging/release, drivers | 17:46 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes. everything is smaller. because tokyo | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:46 |
| rloo | devananda: please remind me. fishbowl smaller than boardroom, meetup the smallest? | 17:46 |
| devananda | I'm also suggesting that we share the meetup room with Infra b/c they are using Bifrost | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, one thing about the ironic+nova | 17:47 |
| devananda | fishbowl > boardroom > meetup | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | in vancouver we had 0 (zero) nova developers in the meeting | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | oh good point lucasagomes | 17:47 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: heh, good point. however, we had several ironic developers in the nova room | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | it would be good if some of them could join the ironic+nova meeeting thins time | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right yeah | 17:47 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: or we dont put one on our schedule, and they bring us into theirs | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | the interests just doesn't seem to be mutual | 17:47 |
| devananda | that seems more their style | 17:47 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: i thought the ironic+nova discussions were in nova rooms? | 17:48 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, we had one about how to scale up the nova compute (since now we can only have 1 n-cpu with the ironic driver loaded) | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | I imagine that Tokyo may have fewer attendees compared to Vancouver. Due to costs. Not sure. | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | otherwise it's racy | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, fair | 17:48 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I agree. and honestly I wish more of us had attended that meeting. it was ... very interesting | 17:48 |
| BadCub | jlvillal: I suspect you are right there | 17:48 |
| devananda | jlvillal: do not count on that | 17:48 |
| devananda | heh | 17:48 |
| rloo | for ironic+nova, seems better for us to go to them. interesting to watch the nova cores in action... | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | ++ indeed. But it's always good to have someone from that project to correct our assumptions | 17:49 |
| Nisha_away | lucasagomes, ++ | 17:49 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the "how to do nova.virt.ironic with HA" discussoin happened in the nova track. it was the basis for all the work jroll has been doing this cycle on it, fwiw | 17:49 |
| devananda | anyhow | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | do we know who would have the first meeting time.. Ie could we do both (in our track and the nova track) | 17:49 |
| devananda | any objections to 4 + 4 + 1 , and to sharing our friday meetup with the Infra team? | 17:49 |
| rloo | so if ironic+nova -> nova, we only need 3 fishbowls? | 17:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no. we know nothing yet | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah that's what I'm thinking too | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | then I have no objections at this time :p | 17:50 |
| devananda | the process is that all the PTLs propose a room count to ttx, he drafts a layout, then we all discuss and shuffle based on things like ^^^ | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | *10 minutes* | 17:50 |
| rloo | the problem with sharing friday meetup with infra team, is that in the last summit, even though we had a meetup room, it was too noisy and we had to look for other space. | 17:50 |
| devananda | rloo: good point | 17:50 |
| rloo | we need 2 meetups! | 17:50 |
| devananda | rloo: it was also super crowded, IIRC | 17:50 |
| devananda | so perhaps a larger meetup room? | 17:51 |
| rloo | devananda: yeah. more crowded than the boardrooms i think. | 17:51 |
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| dtantsur | yeah, we shared with tripleo in Paris, it was a bit troublesome... | 17:51 |
| rloo | and previous to the last summit, there were more folks in the boardrooms. | 17:51 |
| BadCub | devananda: please make sure I am not nominated to take on anything at Tokyo as I am not sure I will be attending yet | 17:51 |
| devananda | BadCub: duly noted | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | BadCub, :-( | 17:52 |
| rloo | especially since we seem to have a lot of stuff under the ironic umbrella these days. | 17:52 |
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| BadCub | :( | 17:52 |
| betherly | sad times BadCub | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | rloo, ++ | 17:52 |
| devananda | rloo: yea. we have our own umbrella now ... | 17:52 |
| * jlvillal is also not sure if he is going :( | 17:52 | |
| devananda | also fridays tend to be slow, cause we're all tired and some folks are pack[ed/ing] and leaving | 17:52 |
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| * betherly is still waiting to get my pass and also to hear if getting transport authorised | 17:53 | |
| lucasagomes | indeed | 17:53 |
| devananda | well, we've digressed to reminiscing :) | 17:53 |
| rloo | yup, fri after lunch is almost not worth it. | 17:53 |
| devananda | thanks for the feedback, all! I'll draft a reply to ttx after the meeting | 17:53 |
| devananda | rloo: agreed | 17:53 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:53 | |
| rloo | i wanted to ask if anyone knew how ironic was going to align with the end of liberty timelines | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | ++ for question | 17:54 |
| rloo | cuz we're going to do an ironic release that coincides with that. | 17:54 |
| devananda | rloo: I know what we discussed in YVR, and what we wrote in the spec | 17:54 |
| rloo | but what about things like i18n changes, blah blah. oslo libraries.... can we continue to change? | 17:54 |
| rloo | and regardless of ironic release -- we should try to get nova/ironic driver bug/etc changes in before whatever deadline. | 17:54 |
| devananda | but we haven't ironed out all those issues yet, so pushing a new release when we want to, branching a stable branch, etc, isn't a well oiled machine right now | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I don't have a very clear picture in my head as well | 17:55 |
| devananda | re: oslo libs, we probably need to adhere to the global requirements freeze | 17:55 |
| devananda | because of the nature of the gate jobs right now | 17:55 |
| natorious | I wanted to ask about viability of using utils.execute w/o checking output on binaries that could return unknown exit codes | 17:55 |
| devananda | natorious: erm, that sounds not good. | 17:55 |
| natorious | apparently we do that alot | 17:55 |
| devananda | natorious: also rootwrap | 17:55 |
| devananda | rloo: i18n things were awkward last cycle. it turned out we didn't get nearly enough translation work done to matter | 17:56 |
| devananda | so there was no benefit to our string freeze | 17:56 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I was wondering about Ironic having an event bus for state transistions, node enrolment, error events... How doable do you think it is? | 17:57 |
| rloo | devananda: yeah, which is why i've always wondered about string freeze for us. i guess for now, we can just worry about the global requirements freeze. | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, ++ | 17:57 |
| devananda | gabriel-bezerra: we've discussed it before. it's a serious rewrite of the core architecture of the project | 17:57 |
| natorious | devananda: not talking so much security as unknowns | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, it may require some changes, but I like the idea | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | I mean big changes | 17:57 |
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| devananda | gabriel-bezerra: but one we all generally agreed wsa worth investigating | 17:57 |
| JayF | natorious: fwiw utils.execute defaults to check_exit_code[0] if not specified, unless I'm misremembering | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, ++ | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | *2 minutes* | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | natorious: What do you mean by not checking output? Not checking result code? | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | natorious: And what JayF says | 17:58 |
| natorious | devananda: like w/o seeing the binary source, and not being able to check every possible outcome, there could be failures returning exit code 0 etc | 17:58 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.concurrency/blob/master/oslo_concurrency/processutils.py#L117-L119 | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | natorious, ^ | 17:58 |
| gabriel-bezerra | good. thank you, lucasagomes and devananda | 17:58 |
| devananda | rloo: my advice would be for us to be lax on the i18n / string freeze, slow down or block any high risk features, and generally do what we feel we need to do in order to cut a release branch at RC1 | 17:59 |
| devananda | *at or before | 17:59 |
| devananda | at the rate we're going, also | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | *times up* | 18:00 |
| devananda | 4.0.0 could easily become that release branch | 18:00 |
| rloo | thx devananda! | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:00 |
| devananda | see you in *gasp* three weeks! | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 18:00 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 18:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 18:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-24-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-24-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-08-24-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thank you all | 18:00 |
| betherly | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
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