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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 14:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| elmiko | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
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| elmiko | hi all =) | 14:01 |
| elmiko | #chair SergeyLukjanov | 14:01 |
| esikachev | hi! | 14:01 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 14:01 |
| chen12 | hi | 14:01 |
| kchen | hi | 14:01 |
| weiting | hi | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | hi | 14:02 |
| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
| huichun | hi | 14:02 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 14:02 |
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| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:02 |
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| elmiko | nice, a good group of saharans today | 14:02 |
| elmiko | #topic news / updates | 14:03 |
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| elmiko | i've been working on the keystone sessions, first draft up but i need to debug. also creating a poc for microversion and apiv2 | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | we are skipping horizon topic today, right? | 14:03 |
| elmiko | oh oops | 14:03 |
| elmiko | we'll do that next | 14:04 |
| elmiko | unless NikitaKonovalov and croberts aren't around | 14:04 |
| elmiko | so, anyone have updates on their work? | 14:04 |
| huichun | working on edp engine enhancement , edp patches | 14:05 |
| AndreyPavlov | I've been working on spec about our new CLI as a plugin for openstackclient. I've described some general thoughts in it, but there is a chance that new ideas will appear during implementation | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | i've finished stuff related to autoconfigs and spark, and start to support vanilla 2.7.1 | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193157/ | 14:05 |
| alazarev | I'm working on internal stuff, no updates | 14:05 |
| sreshetnyak | no updates from me | 14:05 |
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| elmiko | sounds like some good stuff going on | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks, sorry, a bit late... this time is really a bit early for west coast | 14:08 |
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| esikachev | i'm working on cluster verification checks, update spec and patch. also, tried fix mapr and improvement scenario tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203567/ | 14:08 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: no worries =) | 14:08 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203567/ | 14:08 |
| elmiko | any other updates? | 14:09 |
| egafford | Mostly wrapped up the first round of Manila integration changes; a few still in review. Other than that, actually making good progress finally on the unified job map UI changes. | 14:09 |
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| elmiko | ok, moving on | 14:10 |
| elmiko | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| elmiko | is NikitaKonovalov here? (crobertsrh is out today) | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov is probably unavailable, he was applying for US visa | 14:10 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 14:10 |
| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 14:11 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov checks when his visa ends | 14:11 | |
| elmiko | looks like we didn't have any action items from last week | 14:11 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: hehe, good idea ;) | 14:11 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: should we talk about meeting re-org or roadmap updates/cleanup ? | 14:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, not this time ;) | 14:12 |
| elmiko | k | 14:12 |
| elmiko | #topic open discussion | 14:12 |
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| elmiko | any other business? | 14:12 |
| elmiko | or topics | 14:13 |
| elmiko | or amusing stories | 14:13 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, when we will have new client release? | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we should make one next week or week after | 14:13 |
| tosky | elmiko: Summit papers voting! | 14:13 |
| elmiko | tosky: excellent point | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to aggregate as much new features as possible in a new client | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to avoid releasing it each week | 14:14 |
| elmiko | summit voting closes today in about 5 hours, everyone get out there and vote! | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:14 |
| elmiko | if folks would like to share links, please do it now so we can all take a look =) | 14:14 |
| weiting | About this issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194994/ | 14:15 |
| pino|work | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5066 by tosky and me (not directly about sahara, but can help with it) | 14:15 |
| weiting | I also happened this and it cannot accept my environment variable. | 14:16 |
| tosky | well, Sahara would be a use case to the presentation above (image generation!) | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/6058 Baremetal and Hybrid Big Data clusters on OpenStack using Sahara, Sergey Lukjanov, Trevor McKay (Red Hat), Nikita Konovalov | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | in case someone missed yesterday https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/6068 | 14:16 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: any comment on that? | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5995 OpenStack and Hadoop 101 – Getting your Big Data cloud done right, Dmitriy Novakovskiy, Sergey Lukjanov | 14:17 |
| sreshetnyak | moment | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and Trevor McKay | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5333 This is Sparkhara: OpenStack log processing in real-time using Spark on Sahara, Michael McCune (Red Hat), Chad Roberts (Red Hat), Pete MacKinnon (Red Hat), Nikita Konovalov | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's a talks from my list ;) | 14:17 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 14:17 |
| egafford | Manila and Sahara: Crossing the Desert to the Big Data Oasis | 14:18 |
| egafford | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5259 (Jeff (NetApp), Weiting (Intel), Ethan (Red Hat)) | 14:18 |
| egafford | Data Processing is Made of People: A Case Study in Role-Empathic API Design in Sahara | 14:18 |
| egafford | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5308 (Ethan (Red Hat)) | 14:18 |
| elmiko | it's made of people....people! | 14:18 |
| egafford | :D | 14:19 |
| pino|work | elmiko: self-referring definition? | 14:19 |
| weiting | Big Data Analytics over Object Storage(from Intel, include me): https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5502 | 14:19 |
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| elmiko | pino|work: also, a reference to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/ | 14:20 |
| weiting | The MOC Big Data Testbed: Evaluating tiered storage, novel networking and on-demand Big-Data for data-science on OpenStack(from Intel and other company about a real case to use Sahara ), https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4808 | 14:21 |
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| weiting | Evaluating Sahara for Real-World Big Data Application(from Intel and other China company about a real case to use Sahara in China): https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5794 | 14:22 |
| sreshetnyak | weiting: I read tox documentation and I remove his -2 | 14:23 |
| weiting | sreshetnyak, yes I know, but I stil get this issue. | 14:23 |
| weiting | sreshetnyak, so in your laptop it is workable, right? | 14:25 |
| weiting | I saw this same solution made in tempest testing, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190954/ | 14:26 |
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| sreshetnyak | pip.conf works with tox < 2.0 | 14:27 |
| sreshetnyak | weiting: ^^ | 14:27 |
| weiting | sreshetnyak, Oh, ok, my tox version is 2.1.1 | 14:28 |
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| chen12 | sreshetnyak, for sahara-image-element, pip.conf is not enough, as it will requesting os packages from internet, not just do pip install.. | 14:29 |
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| tmckay | hi folks, apologies | 14:29 |
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| chen12 | sreshetnyak, should all sahara projects apply this change ? or just request to use pip.conf ? | 14:31 |
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| sreshetnyak | chen12: i think it's needed for all sahara projects | 14:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, I've missed the msg | 14:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, what should be applied? :) | 14:32 |
| weiting | About this issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194994/ | 14:33 |
| chen12 | sreshetnyak, ok, understand! | 14:33 |
| sreshetnyak | also for sahara-image-elements we should add all DIB_* variables | 14:33 |
| weiting | sreshetnyak, +1 | 14:34 |
| tosky | I thought tmckay fixed something already for sahara | 14:34 |
| tosky | about tox and variables | 14:34 |
| tmckay | tosky, yes, that had something to do with running tests in Sahara | 14:35 |
| tmckay | it showed up in the gate ... | 14:35 |
| alazarev | I have a news, I'm leaving Mirantis and OpenStack... so, if you want something from me, you have a week | 14:36 |
| tmckay | I forget what it was, though | 14:36 |
| elmiko | alazarev: oh wow... | 14:36 |
| tosky | oh | 14:36 |
| elmiko | alazarev: heading anywhere fun? | 14:37 |
| huichun | oh | 14:37 |
| alazarev | it was pleasure to work with you, guys | 14:37 |
| elmiko | alazarev: likewise =) | 14:37 |
| weiting | alazarev, Oh, big news | 14:37 |
| tmckay | alazarev, same here | 14:37 |
| alazarev | elmiko, yeap, in Google | 14:37 |
| elmiko | alazarev: congratulations! i hope it goes well for you =) | 14:37 |
| egafford | alazarev: Wow, you'll be missed. | 14:38 |
| vgridnev | alazarev, which Google office? | 14:38 |
| tmckay | tosky, btw, change was in python-saharaclient, passenv = OS_* | 14:38 |
| alazarev | vgridnev, Mountain View | 14:38 |
| tosky | tmckay: this one, yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190656/ | 14:38 |
| egafford | (Congratulations, though, as I assume this is a happy piece of news for you. :) ) | 14:38 |
| kchen | alazarev: congratulations. | 14:39 |
| huichun | alazarev: cong | 14:39 |
| vgridnev | congratulations! | 14:39 |
| egafford | alazarev: I definitely want to pick up your taskflow initiative then. Was going to ping you about that. :) | 14:39 |
| tosky | alazarev: congratulations, and break a leg | 14:39 |
| alazarev | egafford, go ahead | 14:40 |
| egafford | alazarev: Ack. | 14:40 |
| alazarev | tosky, thanks, but I would prefer to stay with legs :) google campus is in bike range from my home :) | 14:41 |
| tosky | eh, the Italian way of saying is better. Well, kindof | 14:41 |
| alazarev | tosky, I know :) | 14:42 |
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| elmiko | ok, any other business for the meeting? | 14:44 |
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| chen12 | sreshetnyak, restored .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194995/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194991/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194989/ | 14:44 |
| chen12 | sreshetnyak, :) | 14:44 |
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| sreshetnyak | chen12: thanks :) | 14:45 |
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| alazarev | you can contact me lazarevav@gmail.com when my @mirantis account expires | 14:46 |
| elmiko | ack | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | chen12, all approved | 14:47 |
| kchen | Hi all, please help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199464/ | 14:48 |
| kchen | CDH HDFS HA support | 14:48 |
| chen12 | SergeyLukjanov, thanks! | 14:48 |
| egafford | Getting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204244/ in would help a lot as well to ensure dependent client changes can make the client release. | 14:48 |
| egafford | The last change was just an import clash on rebase, so it should be as good to go as it was, and folks seemed happy with it. | 14:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, reminder | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if you have anything for client release | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | then wait for a moment | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll find etherpad | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-client | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's put all important things for the client to this etherpad | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and please set ETA to be merged | 14:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, do you want to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204244/15 before merging? | 14:54 |
| elmiko | 5 min left folks | 14:55 |
| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov: ok | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | filks, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193157/ | 14:57 |
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| tellesnobrega | alazarev: missed the moment, but congractulations | 14:58 |
| alazarev | tellesnobrega, thx | 14:58 |
| elmiko | thanks everyone, and we'll miss you alazarev ;) | 14:59 |
| sreshetnyak | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204244/15 looks good, but I hate isinstance :) | 14:59 |
| weiting | alazarev, farewell | 14:59 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 14:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-30-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-30-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-30-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks! | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 15:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | hi, who is here for the Neutron L3 meeting? | 15:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 15:00 |
| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
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| john-davidge | HI==i | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin is on vacation this week, so i'll be the chair today | 15:01 |
| vikram_ | Hi mlavalle | 15:01 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Voting is open for Tokyo presentations here: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | please go and vote for your favorite topics and speakers | 15:02 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: in fact I think it ends today, doesn't it? | 15:02 |
| pc_m | yes | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | regXboi: you are correct | 15:03 |
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| regXboi | ok, thanks | 15:03 |
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| * regXboi moves that up his to do list | 15:03 | |
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| mlavalle | Liberty 3 is our up-coming milestone now: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-3 | 15:03 |
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| * neiljerr` slides in late because he got the wrong meeting room... | 15:03 | |
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| johnbelamaric | Hello | 15:04 |
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| johnbelamaric | pluggable IPAM is all merged :) | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | the Launchpad page has the date set to Septmber 3. mestery said August 31st this past Tuesday during Neutron meeting | 15:04 |
| neiljerr` | johnbelamaric: yay! | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: congrats! | 15:04 |
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| john-davidge | johnbelamaric: woop woop! | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements from the team? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on..... | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: do you have any updates for the team regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316? | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | So I think the discussion around this has opened a whole can of worms. This is probably something we should put on hold until we can discuss it further in Tokyo. | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | For now I’d like to propose that we do two things… | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | 1. Update the default subnetpool so that it can be defined by name rather than UUID. This will allow the feature to be used in its current state. I am happy to volunteer for this. | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | 2. Update devstack so that it doesn’t fail when a default subnetpool is set. I already have a patch out for this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199038/ - would appreciate some reviews. I’ll remove the WIP if we agree on this. | 15:07 |
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| john-davidge | Any objections/concerns on those two action items? | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: let's move ahead with those to action items. Will you submit a patchset for number 1 | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:08 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yes, I’ll get started ont hat right away | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: thanks! | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | the other bug I wanted to mention today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1388698 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1388698 in neutron "dhcp_agents_per_network does not work appropriately." [High,In progress] - Assigned to watanabe.isao (watanabe.isao) | 15:10 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thank you! | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | there hassn't been any progress reported there since early April. I wrote this morning an email to the asignee to find out whether he is still working on it or not | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs that need to be discussed here today? | 15:11 |
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| regXboi | mlavalle: before we leave the topic of bugs, do we know what the current fail rate of the exp multinode dvr job is? | 15:11 |
| * regXboi couldn't find a number | 15:11 | |
| mlavalle | regXboi: that I don't know. does anybody know? maybe swammi if he is around? | 15:12 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: IIRC, Swami is on PTO for *a while*, so I was hoping somebody else might know | 15:12 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: if not, it is not a problem, it is just something else to go start looking at | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | regXboi: since he is not around, i'll create an action item to find that out, so we have visibility next meeting | 15:13 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: thx | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | #action #mlavalle will find out what the current fail rate of the exp multinode dvr job is | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | #action mlavalle will find out what the current fail rate of the exp multinode dvr job is | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | moving on....... | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Roter networks segments | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | #undo | 15:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xacb3250> | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed networks segments | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | so the conversation has continued in the ML regarding this subject. Is there anything that needs to be discussed here? | 15:16 |
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| neiljerr` | I think that discussion is going to run for a while.... | 15:16 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: I don't think so - carl_baldwin should have a chance to process it and weigh in | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | regXboi: I agree, I just wanted to find out if there is something that need to be said here | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin will read the minutes | 15:17 |
| neiljerr` | I don't know when we start suggesting topics for Tokyo - but think that this will be an excellent one! | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | neiljerr`: great suggstion | 15:18 |
| * regXboi checks the thread to make sure it has all the branches | 15:18 | |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on....... | 15:18 |
| vikram_ | neiljerr`:+1 | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | vikram_ any updates here | 15:19 |
| vikram_ | Yes | 15:19 |
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| vikram_ | We are in a good shape w.r.t. agent scheduling + driver changes...Most of the changes are in my local devstack env | 15:20 |
| vikram_ | Will post them soon for review | 15:20 |
| vikram_ | ryan was working over the routes.. could not find him | 15:20 |
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| vikram_ | Initial CLI patch is out for review.. Need suggestions from all | 15:21 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205756/ | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | everybody is encourged to review | 15:22 |
| vikram_ | by when we should be ready for liberty-3 | 15:22 |
| regXboi | vikram_: how soon might the UTs be on that patch? | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | vikram_: as early as possible.... mestery mentioned August 31st..... but the limiting factor is reviewers | 15:23 |
| vikram_ | regXboi: Will work on the unit test by this weekend | 15:23 |
| regXboi | vikram_: thx | 15:23 |
| vikram_ | It will be great if all of us agree with the proposed cli | 15:23 |
| vikram_ | or any suggestion for the change.. it will avoid rework for us :-) | 15:24 |
| vikram_ | mlavalle: thanks.. will try our best to be on-time | 15:24 |
| vikram_ | *before time :-) | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | vikram_: anything else? | 15:25 |
| vikram_ | mlavalle: nothing from my end on this topic | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on..... | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | #topic IPAM | 15:25 |
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| * mlavalle gives johnbelamaric a few momments to bask under the glory | 15:26 | |
| mlavalle | ;-) | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | :) | 15:26 |
| pavel_bondar | :) | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar too :) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | and pavel_bondar of course | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | thanks you very much for all your efforts | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | we are starting our driver work - we have added networking-infoblox repo for that work | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | we all agree it is a big achievment | 15:26 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks for all the reviews too | 15:27 |
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| john-davidge | ++ | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | johnbelamaric, pavel_bondar any thing else to be said today? | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | nope | 15:28 |
| pavel_bondar | no from my side too | 15:28 |
| neiljerr` | What do you guys plan to do next? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #topic ML3 router plugin | 15:28 |
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| johnbelamaric | neiljerr`: first our driver, then we will see... | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | last time we discussed this, use case were being gathered from the community here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-modular-l3-router-plugin-use-cases | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | doesn anybody has anything to report about this topic? | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on..... | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | I have made excellent progress on the internal side of this | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/ | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | this patchset is now fully functional. All the port CRUD operations work now fine with the new dns_name attribute | 15:31 |
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| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: nice! | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | I created a couple of gists to show how the api behaves: | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/bf2254c5ea7861656135 | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/6327f01c8422bb8039ef | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | at this point some unit tests are failing, mostly dnsmasq related. I'll fix those today and then I think that patchset will be good to go | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | please weigh in with your reviews | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | and I am also already working on the external side, the integration with designate | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | I expect to post code next week | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | that's the update on this subject | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | Ok, great. I am interested in the driver API for the external piece - we probably will create one as well | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | fantastic.... i'll be pinging you as soon as i have code in gerrit | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #topic Address scopes | 15:36 |
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| johnbelamaric | thanks | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | does any one has anything to report on this topic? | 15:36 |
| vikram__ | mlavalle: | 15:37 |
| vikram__ | few reviews for address scopes are open | 15:37 |
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| vikram__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194635/ | 15:37 |
| vikram__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197552/ | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | those 2 or are there more? | 15:38 |
| vikram__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/address-scopes,n,z | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | vikram__: thanks for the topic link. | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | anything else? | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on..... | 15:41 |
| vikram__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/address-scopes,n,z | 15:41 |
| vikram__ | is better | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | vikram__: thank you! | 15:41 |
| vikram__ | mlavalle: wc | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic IPv6 | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | sc68cal, HenryG: is there anything that needs to be discussed today regarding IPv6? | 15:42 |
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| HenryG | I think the initial doc patch got merged? | 15:43 |
| john-davidge | HenryG: It did! | 15:43 |
| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/181049 | 15:43 |
| * john-davidge needs to update prefix delegation docs | 15:43 | |
| mlavalle | HenryG: thnks for the url | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | HenryG: anything else? | 15:44 |
| HenryG | Prefix delegation needs more reviews, and I am giulty :( | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: do you have the url? | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | HenryG: You can redeem yourself right now! #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697/ :) | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: Lol | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | It’s been through a lot of iterations over the last couple of weeks and I’m very confident it’s ready to merge now | 15:45 |
| HenryG | Yes, I think we may be able get that in "Real Soon Now" (TM) | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | Then we can concentrate on getting the agent-side changes merged in time for Liberty-3 | 15:46 |
| regXboi | HenryG: that sounds like "the check is in the mail" :) | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | HenryG: Ah yes, “Any Day Now” | 15:46 |
| HenryG | Fine, hit me with an AI :) | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | ok let's move on.... thanks for the update | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open discussion | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | doesn anybody has any other topics not in the agenda? | 15:48 |
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| neiljerr` | Not today! | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | ok guys, thank you so much for attending...see you all next week | 15:49 |
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| neiljerr` | Bye all! | 15:49 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: thanks for running this | 15:49 |
| regXboi | oom | 15:49 |
| vikram__ | thanks mlavalle for running | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | thanks everyone | 15:50 |
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| vikram__ | bye | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| pavel_bondar | thanks, bye | 15:50 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 15:50:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-30-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-30-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-07-30-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 16:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hey ppls | 16:00 |
| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | good morning | 16:00 |
| stevelle | hellos | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | hello | 16:01 |
| elmiko | so, no actions from last meeting, or the one before | 16:02 |
| annegentle | o/ | 16:02 |
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| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:03 |
| elmiko | we had 3 guidelines that will be merging today | 16:03 |
| elmiko | 1 already did, but the other 2 aren't for some reason | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | we did have one guideline that will need further review | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | Add new guideline for HTTP Headers #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186526/ | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: zuul is about 7.5 hours behind | 16:04 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: ok, i figured it was something like that | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | they notified all channels that they wanted them to not approve things for a while | 16:04 |
| elmiko | oops =( | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | or at least all channels with 'openstackstatus' in it | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | so, the one guideline that needs further review had some nice comments that came up in the cross project meeting | 16:05 |
| elmiko | i think ryan is on pto and this was his review, so i'm not sure if we should discuss it or not. thoughts? | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | the other guidance topic that has come up is the PATCH stuff | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | we currently have a small section on how to use PATCH but i think we might do well by helping to define a little more about rfc6902 and partial resource updating | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | i'm going to post something to the ML about this, but i think we should add a small note about being consistent within an application | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | i don't think we can say "use 6902" or "use partial resource", but the main guidance is to keep consistent within an app | 16:09 |
| elmiko | anyone have thoughts on this one? | 16:09 |
| cdent | I think "keep consistent" is the only sane choice | 16:10 |
| elmiko | a good corner case that was brought up is the idea that partial resource update doesn't allow nulling a value | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i wonder if we can point out some of these cases | 16:11 |
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| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: I'm not big on partial resource update, but I suppose you can set a value to a JSON null if you have to | 16:12 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: do you think it's worth trying to advise projects to use 6902 when possible? | 16:13 |
| elmiko | or prefer 6902 over partial resource update | 16:13 |
| miguelgrinberg | I would advice to try to not use either one, but if you have to use one, JSON patch seems more well rounded | 16:14 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:14 |
| elmiko | fair | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | A third approach is the sub-resource style | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | which we are employing with tags and metadata | 16:14 |
| * cdent is not a fan of JSON Patch | 16:14 | |
| cdent | but wouldn't want to prevent people from using it | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: don't get me wrong, I don't like it either | 16:14 |
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| miguelgrinberg | my main beef is that the body is not a resource representation but a set of ops | 16:15 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: can describe sub-resource a little more, i'm not totally familiar with that style | 16:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | so lets say you hava a resouce with fields foo, bar and baz at http://example/resource | 16:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | then you can access the fields as http://example/resource/foo, http://example/resource/bar and http://example/resource/baz | 16:16 |
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| elmiko | ah, interesting | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | to set one of those to null send a DELETE | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | if one of them is a collection, you can use the full REST semantics | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | this is what I proposed in tags and metadata | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | you guys liked it :) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | might be worth presenting this as an option in the PATCH guidelines | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yea, i remember now =) | 16:17 |
| miguelgrinberg | the only drawback vs. json patch or partial resource is that you can only do one field at a time | 16:17 |
| stevelle | that seems like the right kind of guideline, even if we don't feel strongly in favor, to outline so that folks don't invent something else | 16:17 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll send out an email about this and hopefully we can start to build a consensus about a guideline update | 16:18 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko send message to ML about PATCH guideline update and discussion | 16:18 |
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| elmiko | does anyone have suggestions for guidelines that we should freeze next? | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | i think we have a few that might be close | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/198547 | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/197871 | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/199597 | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | also, i think we have a few that should merge but are being held up by #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456 | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | sdague: maybe you could take another pass at that ^^ | 16:23 |
| sdague | elmiko: I can try, I feel like I've said almost everything I can about that one | 16:24 |
| elmiko | sdague: ok, not sure where to go on that one. the other 2 dependent changes are ready to go... =( | 16:25 |
| sdague | I don't think we're going to get 100% concensus on that one, because a lot of people got used to doing it | 16:25 |
| sdague | so basically, the question is what's the role of the wg | 16:25 |
| sdague | only specify 100% concensus items, or at times say "no, seriously, we're doing this wrong, and we have to do the right thing" | 16:26 |
| elmiko | yea... this is a touchy subject for some reason | 16:26 |
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| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: rework the two dependencies to stand on their own? | 16:26 |
| stevelle | we have a standard for how much dissent we can have and pass something, not finding it quickly though | 16:26 |
| sdague | I can restack the others | 16:26 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: that might be the best path forward | 16:26 |
| elmiko | thanks sdague | 16:27 |
| miguelgrinberg | happy to do mine | 16:27 |
| sdague | but I'll be honest, the 501 issue for me is a unit test of our process | 16:27 |
| sdague | because it is important to address items like this | 16:27 |
| elmiko | agreed, maybe we should wait a week for etoews to return | 16:27 |
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| elmiko | i think he should be involved with this | 16:27 |
| sdague | sure | 16:27 |
| elmiko | #info revisist https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456 when etoews returns | 16:28 |
| elmiko | #undo | 16:28 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0xa130c10> | 16:28 |
| elmiko | #info revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183456 when etoews returns | 16:28 |
| elmiko | ok, moving on | 16:28 |
| elmiko | #topic guideline pipeline | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | #link http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/dashboard_api-wg.html | 16:29 |
| elmiko | etoews started working on this dashboard link, i added a little patch and have been looking to improve it more | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | i'd love to hear ideas if anyone has them, maybe on ML or in reviews | 16:29 |
| elmiko | that brings us to the next point | 16:31 |
| elmiko | #topic merge guidelines | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | so, the -2 thing doesn't really work for freezing imo | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | and i'm not sure -A would be any better | 16:31 |
| elmiko | anyone know if we can use tags in comments to trigger gerrit search stuff? | 16:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: don't know of a way | 16:32 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: Are -2's not working because, e.g., etoews goes on vacation and then you can't approve it till he gets back? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | the dashboard is currently keying of a -2 for frozen stuff, but the issue is that it can't be overridden | 16:33 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: yea | 16:33 |
| elmiko | a -A could be overridden, but then folks can't use it to mark WIP on a spec | 16:33 |
| elmiko | er guideline | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | the infra folks suggested this is more a social contract kinda thing, but then we can't have the dashboard show the reviews in freeze | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i'm kinda guessing this is a "talk with etoews" type of subject as well ;) | 16:34 |
| cdent | if it possible/workable to change the topic? | 16:34 |
| cdent | s/if/is/ | 16:34 |
| elmiko | hmm, interesting idea | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: that's something we could do | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | but that doesn't prevent accidental merges which was etoew's hope | 16:35 |
| elmiko | ah | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | *etoews' | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | So my thing is that it is a social contract thing | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | If one of you is blocking it and will be unavailable, swap the blocking vote | 16:36 |
| cdent | a) how big is the risk of accidental merge happening b) how big is the cost of cleaning up after an accidental merge (or even having it happen) | 16:36 |
| cdent | it seems to me that there are solutions abounding looking for a problem that doesn't have that strong of a presence | 16:37 |
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| sigmavirus24 | A) I don't think there's much of a risk | 16:37 |
| elmiko | agreed on a) | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | b) doesn't seem like that big an issue either | 16:37 |
| elmiko | so, we'll probably have to discuss this again with etoews and jaypipes, then make a patch to the merge guidelines | 16:38 |
| elmiko | it may be possible to do something like sigmavirus24 is suggesting with swapping the block, but that still seems like a solution in search of a problem | 16:39 |
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| elmiko | well, thanks for talking this through | 16:39 |
| elmiko | #topic APIImpact | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:41 |
| elmiko | any reviews folks would like to talk about? | 16:41 |
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| * cdent has nothing pressing | 16:42 | |
| elmiko | i do have an opinion question to ask the group | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | i'm working on the v2 api for sahara, and i'm curious what are people's thoughts about tenant id in the URI as opposed to in the headers? | 16:43 |
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| cdent | elmiko: is there any chance that the same under the covers resource would appear for two different tenants or is there strict separation | 16:44 |
| cdent | the thing you don't want are two uris for the same thing | 16:44 |
| elmiko | hmm, good point | 16:45 |
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| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: for client-side frameworks it is easier if the URLs are fixed, so not having the project in the URL is better | 16:45 |
| elmiko | we have talked about the possibility of sharing clusters between tenants, so that might be something to ocnsider | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: please also look into keystone v3 | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | and how that shapes your designs | 16:45 |
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| sigmavirus24 | you'll want Sahara v2 to behave the same with Keystone v3 or v2 (where tenants are now projects but have a slightly different usecase as well) | 16:46 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: yea, i'm upgrading everything to sessions now. are you talking about domains and federation? | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: yes, please be conscious of domains, projects, federation, etc. | 16:46 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: i'm curious how that makes it easier for client-side stuff | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | because they can hardcode them | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | speaking as someone working on making openstack-ansible do the right things for Keystone v3/Federation it has been awful because services don't do the right things sometimes | 16:47 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: ok, maybe we'll have to talk sometime abot this, i'm curious about doing that better as well | 16:47 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: ah, cool, that makes sense | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: being conscious of the differences are good because you don't want v3 to be shoved into a crack to make it work | 16:47 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24++ | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | then again I don't know much about sahara so | 16:48 |
| elmiko | well, know this, we've got some to do ;) | 16:48 |
| elmiko | some work* | 16:48 |
| cdent | don't we all :( | 16:48 |
| cdent | but also :) | 16:48 |
| elmiko | thanks for the suggestions all, i've got some more spec work to do around this is what it sounds like | 16:49 |
| cdent | the rollercoaster can be a bit confusing | 16:49 |
| elmiko | haha, yes | 16:49 |
| elmiko | any other business? | 16:49 |
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| cdent | I just wanted to mention something that might be of interest: | 16:50 |
| cdent | sileht has started writing integration tests of aodh, ceilometer, gnocchi and heat all in one gabbi file | 16:50 |
| elmiko | ooh neat | 16:50 |
| cdent | so purely api driven integration tests across several projects | 16:50 |
| cdent | in yaml | 16:50 |
| elmiko | that's awesome | 16:50 |
| cdent | and since gabb-run can work in a shell pipeline, there's no python required either | 16:51 |
| elmiko | is there a link to this? | 16:51 |
| * cdent is trying to find it | 16:51 | |
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| cdent | but I'm not having much luck | 16:52 |
| cdent | (pings to sileht are going unanswered at the moment) | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | ok, i'd be curious to have a look if you find it | 16:52 |
| cdent | anyway: it is clean and clear enough that it might be a useful technique for other folk | 16:52 |
| cdent | I'll ping you when I get some more details | 16:52 |
| elmiko | great, thanks for bringing it up | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | also, the artifacts sub-team in glance is working on a new design for v3 of glance's API built on artifacts | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | they haven't published anything but I'll ping the group when it's published | 16:53 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:53 |
| cdent | change is afoot! | 16:53 |
| elmiko | excelsior! | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | it still won't have been accepted as a spec though | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | they were trying to incorporate our first round of feedback | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | sadly they still haven't talked directly to this group in a meeting or anything though | 16:53 |
| elmiko | also, a note, voting for summit presos ends in about 2 hours, if anyone wants to promote an api based talk, please post some links =) | 16:54 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: =( | 16:54 |
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| cdent | we seem done | 16:57 |
| elmiko | ok then, thanks everybody! | 16:57 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 16:57:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-30-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-30-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-07-30-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 17:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:00 |
| rhagarty_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | Almost made it :) but still have to use my phone for now. | 17:02 |
| docaedo | ooh, that can't be too fun for an IRC meeting :) | 17:03 |
| j^2 | Hi! | 17:03 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates (docaedo) | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | The change to the hosting server to support CORS landed. This allowed cross-origin queries and creates JSON files from the YAML files. | 17:03 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/194875 | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | I requested a new repo (apps-catalog-ui) for the horizon panel work | 17:04 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207253/ | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | um .. any other status updates? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_ip | But that repo commit would take some time to land, cause of zuul I guess. | 17:05 |
| docaedo | yes, suspect we are a few days out at a minimum | 17:05 |
| docaedo | (and I got some feedback finally, have things to fix today anyway) | 17:06 |
| rhagarty_ | sorry for silly question - where will the panel reside in horizon? | 17:06 |
| j^2 | on the side bar right? | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | #link https://youtu.be/9TlPhmml-T8 :) | 17:07 |
| rhagarty_ | under Application Catalog? | 17:07 |
| rhagarty_ | thanks | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_ip | Yep, like any horizon dashboard | 17:07 |
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| j^2 | nice, i love that vido kfox1111 | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | thx. :) | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | OK the only other update I have is that the "move into single YAML file" effort is in progress, and we are discussing how to break it up into smaller chunks on IRC right now | 17:08 |
| j^2 | for that we really should alphabetize the sections | 17:09 |
| j^2 | it would be easier as we add more and more options | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. when we do the final merge, I really would like to see that too. | 17:09 |
| j^2 | #agreed kfox1111 | 17:09 |
| docaedo | easy enough to do (and we can specify order by type first, asset name second) | 17:10 |
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| docaedo | OK anything else before we move on to the next topic (roadmap)? | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | I'd like to see it just by name. | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | type's filterable. | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | the user probably shouldn't care about type at all. | 17:11 |
| docaedo | what's the point of alphabetizing the sections? I thought the value to that was to make it easier for people to find the right place to slot in their addtion when modifying the YAML? | 17:12 |
| j^2 | in most cases your right kfox1111 | 17:12 |
| j^2 | docaedo: that’s where i’m coming from | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: exactly. | 17:12 |
| docaedo | As it stands right now, the web site alphabetizes what is displayed, so that's handled regardless of order in YAML | 17:12 |
| j^2 | it’s just odd not to have the yml alphabitized | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | it means we can drop the sort in the ui though too, which should increase performance a bit. | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | and in that case, if I'm adding a Heat template it would be pretty easy to search for the first asset_type: heat and then add my thing under that | 17:13 |
| docaedo | I think dropping sort from the UI would be a mistake, there's no way that's a performance hit - on the web side, you are loading the whole file no matter what, basically into a dictionary | 17:14 |
| docaedo | dropping sort means we hope users will always get the order right, in all cases, which they won't | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | your right in that its probably minor compared to loading the whole thing... | 17:14 |
| docaedo | BUT I propose we move on and debate that in reviews :) | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 17:14 |
| docaedo | #topic All about the roadmap | 17:15 |
| j^2 | sounds good | 17:15 |
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| docaedo | I don't want to re-hash what I wrote to the ML last week, but thought we should take some time today to discuss it at least. I didn't get any feedback on what I wrote, so either nobody read it, or everyone agrees with all I said | 17:15 |
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| kfox1111 | what was the subject? | 17:16 |
| docaedo | (hold for link to message) | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | thx. | 17:16 |
| j^2 | i’m still attempting to get my head around this project, i didnt feel like i could add anythnig constructive till i get the lay of the land | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | I did read it at the time, and I didn't disagree with it if I remember correctly. | 17:16 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070423.html | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | Subject: [app-catalog] Catalog roadmap and next steps | 17:17 |
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| kfox1111 | ah. right. | 17:17 |
| docaedo | A big reason I sent that out was to hopefully attract some more folks to get them involved | 17:17 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah, I agree, its a good bit of work there. and it seems to fit. | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | j^2: do you feel like you're getting your head around the project, and the lay of the land? Maybe first item on the roadmap should be "clarify what we are trying to do"? :) | 17:18 |
| j^2 | ha! | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | I'm really hoping when we get a dashboard plugin going, more users that are developers start surfacing. | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | back to my laptop | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: nice! | 17:19 |
| j^2 | docaedo: yeah i think i’m starting to understand whats going on; i like that “stage” conversation from the other day, it made the charter of this project make more sense | 17:19 |
| kfox1111 | I think part of the problem may be in the ambiguity that still exists related to multiple openstack components claiming app catalog bits. | 17:19 |
| rhagarty_ | kfox1111: do you have any docs related to the "get a dashboard plugin going"? | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | rhagarty_: yes. sec... | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | until the stackforge repo's ready, its located here: | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | #link https://github.com/kfox1111/apps-catalog-ui/ | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | the readme has instructions. | 17:21 |
| rhagarty_ | kfox1111: thanks! | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | np. please let me know if you run into any issues. | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | Its also very green at the moment. :) | 17:21 |
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| docaedo | Regarding the roadmap in my email, I did not put them in the order of implementation (I should have!) but I feel like we have a good path planned for handling multiple asset types, and integrating glance as the backend solves other stuff (like search/sort, etc). | 17:23 |
| docaedo | Regarding the roadmap in my email, I did not put them in the order of implementation (I should have!) but I feel like we have a good path planned for handling multiple asset types, and integrating glance as the backend solves other stuff (like search/sort, etc). | 17:23 |
| rhagarty_ | I think I already installed it... does that UI reside under "Murano" panel? | 17:23 |
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| docaedo | definitely not under the Murano panel (and you've just hit the confusion kfox1111 was alluding to!) | 17:23 |
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| rhagarty_ | oh, because it has an Application Catalog section | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | no. murano also claims to be an app catalog. which is part of the confusion. :/ | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:24 |
| rhagarty_ | ok - good. I'm not the only one | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | Murano's a local app catalog for murano apps. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | the apps-catalog project is for global apps and components... | 17:25 |
| rhagarty_ | yeah, that's confusing | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | murano apps are part of what we provide. | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | thats something that we really need to resolve at some point. | 17:25 |
| rhagarty_ | ok - that makes some sense | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | so an op downoads a murano app from the catalog, loads it into murano, | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | and their users can then launch it from the murano catalog... | 17:26 |
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| rhagarty_ | ... and that is just one part of the global apps project (you guys)? | 17:27 |
| docaedo | any thoughts about how we could include comments/feedback on a per-asset basis? | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | right. apps written as heat templates work too, | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | as well as glance images, etc. | 17:27 |
| docaedo | rhagarty_: no actually Murano is it's own thing, fully independent | 17:27 |
| j^2 | docaedo: can you define “asset?" | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: discuss? =) | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: we really need something dynamic to support that. elasticsearch or something. | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | or mongodb. | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | wonder if glance storage might help with that as a backend. although i doubt that, actually | 17:28 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: probably start the conversation though with "build it ourselves" or use something external | 17:28 |
| docaedo | (which kzaitsev_mb was probably suggesting disquss I think, or whatever that's called?) | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | we probably should back up and ask ourselves at that point should we restart the website. | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | we already chose "do it ourselves". | 17:29 |
| docaedo | not quite - lots of static sites include external comment/feedback mechanisms | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqus yep, these guys | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but it's just a suggestion, I've never really used them | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... I was thinking more programatically. like number of stars on the entries, that users could adjust. | 17:31 |
| j^2 | if you’re looking fro a forum style: http://www.discourse.org/ is awesome | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Every time I used some glue code to stich some commenting/voting system by hand. | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | Does openstack promote any web services that can't run on their own hardware? | 17:32 |
| j^2 | commenting and voting also can be problematic, at a certian point it litterally means nothing unless you moderate it | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:32 |
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| docaedo | j^2: yes completely agree | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | j^2: thats important point too. | 17:32 |
| j^2 | chef is having issues with this and our supermarket | 17:32 |
| j^2 | it just happens which is annoying because in general people suck on the internet | 17:32 |
| docaedo | I'm just VERY concerned that the further we go down the road of build it ourselves, the slower we will progress | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | heh. yeah. | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | voting is a bit easier with UP and DOWN votes. but commenting HAS to be moderated (either post or pre) | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | thats whlimit just how simple it is for now. | 17:33 |
| j^2 | kzaitsev_mb: yeah and it gets expodentially harder as you add more and more things to moderate | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | +1 -1 or 1-5 rating is not as prone to abbuse. | 17:33 |
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| j^2 | it becomes a full time job before you know it | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: but you'll never at least see profane language there ) | 17:34 |
| docaedo | moderation I don't think will be that difficult until we have thousands of assets .. but main reason I brought this up is that solving this is going to be a big important step to help build up the catalog | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also. this rises the question of authentication | 17:34 |
| j^2 | docaedo: i just wanted to make sure the statement that it cuts both ways was made | 17:34 |
| docaedo | we're definitely not going to sort it today but the seed has been planted and we can start talking about it, eventually maybe write up a spec (to bike-shed this into oblivion!) | 17:35 |
| j^2 | my bikeshed is cyan btw | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. one action item would be to check if openstack resources must host openstack sites. | 17:35 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: you mean - can an "openstack" thing use an external service? | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | ie, is it ok to farm out forum like stuff to another site that does it without access to the code to run local. | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like. If I can vote — I must authenticate somehow. (But that can be possibly solved with our gerrit/l-pad accounts | 17:36 |
| docaedo | got it .. good thing to sort out | 17:36 |
| docaedo | quite possibly we can re-use much of ask.openstack.org for this stuff | 17:36 |
| docaedo | (solved problem which works nicely) | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | ie, must the forum software be open source? and not a free as in beer website. | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | ah. interesting. yeah. | 17:37 |
| j^2 | kzaitsev_mb: ooh good point, if we attach it to lp then you have to sign the CLA and that’s a great gater | 17:37 |
| docaedo | questions == assets, you get conversation, voting, authentication... | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. lets bring it up with them. | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: you mentioned specs. maybe we should also add a spec repo? | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | -1 | 17:38 |
| j^2 | -1 | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok =) | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | they really tend to slow things down, and we're too green at the moment. :/ | 17:38 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yes, I had that on my to-do list from the summit, but honestly held back because I'm not entirely convinced it would be a benefit :) | 17:38 |
| j^2 | specs are…combersume for the most part | 17:38 |
| docaedo | haha, as the -1's while I was typing show | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | once we have alot of base functionality roughed in, then we should do it. | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | for now, lets stay more agile. | 17:39 |
| j^2 | +1 | 17:39 |
| docaedo | #action discuss/consider using ask.openstack.org code for voting/comments | 17:39 |
| docaedo | ah, that should have been "discuss with ask.openstack.org folks" | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | you can undo with # | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think | 17:40 |
| docaedo | eh, no biggie :) | 17:40 |
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| docaedo | Anyone feel like picking up the "stale entry checker" blueprint? Haven't heard from Gosha on that in a while, assuming he's staying focused on Murano fun | 17:41 |
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| docaedo | silence ..heh, ok, will table it for now | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm not yet that familiar with zuul jobs | 17:43 |
| docaedo | moving on then? | 17:43 |
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| docaedo | #topic App Catalog Horizon Plugin Update (kfox1111) | 17:44 |
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| kfox1111 | Since the last update, I've gotten glance image support added. | 17:44 |
| kfox1111 | Also split the code out into its own repo, and a patch submitted to horizon for liberty | 17:45 |
| docaedo | Nice work! | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | #link https://youtu.be/9TlPhmml-T8 | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: asked me to take a look into murano-apps, which I hope to do by the next meeting | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | #link https://github.com/kfox1111/apps-catalog-ui/ | 17:46 |
| docaedo | I have small things to do on the repo request and will address them right after this meeting, maybe new repo will be available soon | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206773/ | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | Right now, the ui's not structured quite right. | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | heat templates are in apps, glance is under components. | 17:46 |
| rhagarty_ | is this all brand new stuff? Did any form of this land in Kilo? | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | but long term, we want to tag images as possibly being apps so they show up under apps. | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | The code relies on some of the angular changes in liberty. | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | I haven't looked at how hard it would be to backport, but I think relatively hard. :( | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | fortunatly, newer horizon tends to work well with older everything else. | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | same thing with murano. we sould tag things launchable by users as apps, and leave the libraries and such as components. | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | there's a lot of angular work going on in horizon for liberty, that was not present in kilo, so I bet it would be hard to make the plugin work with kilo | 17:49 |
| docaedo | rhagarty_: nothing in Kilo for sure, and won't land in Liberty either, but I have high hopes that having it in M is possible... | 17:49 |
| docaedo | I would say backporting the Horizon panel is not worth the effort | 17:49 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping the patch lands for liberty. should be time. | 17:49 |
| kfox1111 | then the plugin can be added to any liberty horizon. | 17:49 |
| rhagarty_ | ok - is there an existing CLUI to see this data? | 17:49 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: that's great! | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | theres 1 month before L3 and FF, so there's quite some time for patch to land ) | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | rhagarty_: no. someone would need to code it. Its not clear how well a cli would work for this ultimately. | 17:50 |
| rhagarty_ | ok - just used to seeing CLUI's first, then the Horizon view of it | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | most of the work is in the user interface for searching via facts and stuff. that tends to not adapt well to cli's. :/ | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rhagarty_: looks more like, that individual clients would have to support catalog | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | but maybe a cli for pulling an app and all its dependencies once you know which one you want might make sense. | 17:51 |
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| docaedo | In my head (not put down on a roadmap yet) I do think having this added to the openstack cli would be really valuable | 17:51 |
| docaedo | essentially a shim between the different supported asset types, and doing the same thing the horizon panel does | 17:52 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, just not sure how a cli ui for that would look. has anyone written a cli for amazon's store? :/ | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | murano does have rudimentary support for app catalog in CLI, btw. | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | I'm thinking more along the lines of "docker search" and "docker pull" | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but adding support to openstack-client does sound like a nice idea | 17:53 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... maybe. should explore that more. | 17:53 |
| rhagarty_ | so would this UI live along side Murano? If so, that would really be confusing | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | rhagarty_: sorry, which UI? | 17:54 |
| docaedo | rhagarty_: it would be in the same horizon, yes, but it's not going to be easy to convince Murano to rename their bits to not include "application catalog", since they were there first | 17:54 |
| rhagarty_ | and then your UI would also show Murano apps? | 17:54 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. really not sure how that's going to work. :( | 17:54 |
| docaedo | 5 minutes left - kfox1111 had one more item (other horizon plugins), just want to make sure we hit that if he wants to cover it | 17:54 |
| kfox1111 | oh. yeah. | 17:55 |
| rhagarty_ | +1 | 17:55 |
| docaedo | #topic Other Horizon Plugins (kfox1111) | 17:55 |
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| kfox1111 | should horizon plugins be in the app catalog as another asset type? | 17:55 |
| docaedo | -1 | 17:55 |
| rhagarty_ | +1 | 17:55 |
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| rhagarty_ | please :) | 17:55 |
| kfox1111 | Its unlikely to be something that could easily just be installed by the app catalog engine. | 17:56 |
| kfox1111 | but we have other assets that can't either. the windows image for example. | 17:56 |
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| rhagarty_ | pip install and one config file... typically | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | that's only because of a EULA click-through though | 17:56 |
| kfox1111 | rhagarty: the majority of plugins I've experienced didn't work that cleanly. | 17:56 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: sure, but it is still something that fails the directly installable sniff test. | 17:57 |
| rhagarty_ | yeah, there is usually a glitch, but that usually the extent of it | 17:57 |
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| kfox1111 | it just depends on how we define the line. | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | not in my experience. | 17:57 |
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| kfox1111 | for example, I tried to install the murano plugin, | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | but a pip install would have pulled in lots of kilo clients overwriding all the juno stuff, breaking stuff badlyl. | 17:57 |
| docaedo | I'm going to always be pushing from the perspective of cloud users, with the opinion that cloud OPERATORS have different resources when it comes to building clouds | 17:58 |
| kfox1111 | it may work if your using pip for deploying horizon, not sure. but I'm using RDO. | 17:58 |
| rhagarty_ | that one was a bit more involved than most I've had experience with | 17:58 |
| rhagarty_ | how about just a list with PiPY pointers, as a start? | 17:58 |
| kfox1111 | I know fuel based horizons will probably run into similar issues. | 17:58 |
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| rhagarty_ | a short description, then a link to the PyPI package | 17:59 |
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| docaedo | IMO we are hitting a legitimate issue (Where do I find all the parts that I can use to build an OpenStack cloud?), but that was not the idea of the app catalog | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: probably you should have installed juno murano-dashboard, but yeah, that's a very good point. pip install can ruin your horizon in a lot of ways. | 17:59 |
| kfox1111 | I'm both a cloud op and cloud user. I'd say cloud op is a subset of cloud user and should have their own view. | 17:59 |
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| kfox1111 | hide op stuff from regular users. but don't disallow it. | 17:59 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, but I was running a kilo murano because juno murano wasn't quite featureful enough for what we wanted. :/ | 18:00 |
| rhagarty_ | users want the plug-ins, not OPS. But how do they know they exist? | 18:00 |
| kfox1111 | wasn't sure the juno ui would work with the kilo engine. :/ | 18:00 |
| docaedo | ah, times up :( | 18:00 |
| docaedo | we can debate on the channel now! | 18:01 |
| kfox1111 | that goes back to the question is the app catalog a discovery mechanism | 18:01 |
| kfox1111 | to let users discover something, then tell their op they want it. | 18:01 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 18:01:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-07-30-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-07-30-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-07-30-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: rkukura igordcard: hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 18:03:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#July_30th.2C_23rd_2015 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
| Yi | Hi | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:04 | |
| rkukura | hi | 18:04 |
| igordcard | hi rkukura Yi | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | few new ones that need immediate attention | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1479169 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479169 in Group Based Policy "GBP default security group allows outbound access to the Internet" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/207250 | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: has posted the patch ^^^ | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: there? | 18:05 |
| ransari | hi | 18:06 |
| igordcard | hi ransari | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the issue we were seeing is that we were opening up th SG rules for all egress traffic by default | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this meant that you didnt have to consume and external policy to get connectivity to the external world | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: is trying to address that in his patch | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: ho | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping to discuss the solution he has proposed in the patch | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was another bug which posted today: | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1479706 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479706 in Group Based Policy "GBP Service chaining errors are are not vsible to the user because of not having status attribute" [Undecided,New] | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see magesh around | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i believe ransari is here | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some of us discussed the adding the status field earlier for the resources | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the bug seems to suggest that you want to present an async interface to the user with this status field | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: does the service chain API become difficult to use without this addition? | 18:09 |
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| ransari | yes to some extent | 18:10 |
| ransari | I think it has an impact in terms of usability | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: is it the case that with service chain API the backend operation is almost always going to be a long running operation? | 18:11 |
| ransari | yes | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: okay | 18:12 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: even more when real VMs be used as nodes | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: true | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however I believe rkukura has concerns with the usability of completely async API too | 18:12 |
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| ransari | cna we review what those concerns are. | 18:13 |
| rkukura | my concern is just to keep simple things simple | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: mainly that forcing the user to poll or check the status for a resource’s availability makes the system more difficult to use | 18:14 |
| rkukura | many client apps don’t need/want concurrency - they can’t do the next step until the prior one completes, so a sync API serves them well | 18:15 |
| ransari | so currently is teh expectation that the service node driver is expected to poll for status and fail an operation if tehre are errors- for ex in launching a VM? | 18:16 |
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| rkukura | I’m not arguing we need 100% guarantee that everything in the data plane is synchronized before calls return, just that the needed results can be returned | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but currently there is no way for the user to know with what is returned that the service chain instantiation has actually failed | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think this is probably a longer discussion | 18:20 |
| rkukura | Even if the VM gets created, it could fail later, so status attributes seem necessary | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:20 |
| rkukura | And we should always try to detect user errors before returning | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ransari: can we set some time aside to have this discussion offline on #openstack-gbp? | 18:21 |
| ransari | sure | 18:21 |
| rkukura | I’m not so sure about resource exhaustion errors | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i will try to coordinate with magesh (who posted the bug), will let others know | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is another user request: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1479460 | 18:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479460 in Group Based Policy "GBP create group API does not allow specification of DNS nameservers" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and the patch has been posted: #link https://review.openstack.org/207383 | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: please eye ball the above when you have time | 18:23 |
| rkukura | sure | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we took the conf approach to solve this as a shorter term solution | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since the user is fine having a global setting | 18:24 |
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| rkukura | ok | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can later evolve this to allow tenant or group-specific granularity | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Testing | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | update on the rally testing - i have added a new job for the rally tests | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so for example if you see: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207250/ | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you will see a new non-voting job: gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-rally | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i need to fix a small issue in the post-hook script | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | after you should hopefully see it running properly | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with this new job, we can start planning to move the tests in-tree | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to discuss update at your end? | 18:29 |
| rkukura | nothing new yet | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Client stable branch | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we have this one pending - Service Profile backport | 18:31 |
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| rkukura | Forgot about that - I can do it. | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic New features | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please review #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203226/ | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “Plumbing Terminology” ^^^ | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know a few people aloready have | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: have your comments been adequately addressed? | 18:34 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: great | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: anything you want to discuss regarding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168733/ (Traffic Steering NCP Plumber) | 18:35 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: for now I am putting the transparent plumbing type inside the traffic steering plumber, and then we'll see how it merges into the TScP | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:35 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I have made a simple node driver called manual node driver, which is like a nova driver but is manually fed with an existing neutron port already attached to a VM | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: are you planning to post a new spec document for the traffic steering plumber? | 18:36 |
| igordcard | I will use that to interact with the traffic steering plumber I have just started so that I can exercise traffic steering in practice | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: can be very minimal but will help people to understand what approach you have taken | 18:36 |
| igordcard | I will have some code up until the next meeting | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: sounds good | 18:36 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yes, I can do that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: dont have to spend too much time, just high level to begin with | 18:37 |
| igordcard | and I'm already following the general idea around ivar's plumbing spec | 18:37 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay cool! | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything you want to discuss on the nova driver? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | finally got to where VMs get launched connected to the PTGs from the plumber | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet!! | 18:39 |
| rkukura | So mainly just cleanup work needed now be able to review | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:39 |
| igordcard | rkukura: nice! | 18:39 |
| rkukura | This does depend on ivar-lazzaro’s patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166424/ so that the neutron ports are owned by the same tenant as the nova VMs. | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything more to discuss? | 18:41 |
| rkukura | Its also a bit inconvenient to have to configure this tenant by UUID rather than name, so I’m wondering if ivar’s patch should convert tenant names to UUIDs. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so get the implementation would get the tenant ID from keystone? | 18:42 |
| rkukura | I think it would need to | 18:42 |
| rkukura | otherwise, with devstack you need to edit neutron.conf manually and restart the server once you get the UUID from keystone | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: is the tenant name udatable in keystone? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that makes sense | 18:43 |
| rkukura | I know ivar-lazzaro has concerns about name duplication and change, but I’d think we could support specifying name or UUID | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i meant to ask if the tenant name can be updated in keystone | 18:43 |
| rkukura | If keystone reported a duplicate name, we could log and error and terminate | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:44 |
| rkukura | Of course, we don’t want a denial of service attack where any user can create a new tenant in keystone stealing the admin or service name, so I’d hope keystone didn’t allow duplicates. Authenticating by name+password to keystone would also seem broken if duplicate names are allowed. | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i was wondering if the name is changed for the same tenant | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and if a different tenant is given that name | 18:47 |
| rkukura | that could be a problem, but admins should know not to change the name of the ‘admin’ or ‘service’ users, or a new user specifically used for this. | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: from a usability perspective, there is no arguing that have the name is better | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: especially the devstack workflow that you point out | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I don’t see any real risk, especially of either name or UUID is accepted. | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone wants to discuss today? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | else we get 10 mins back | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks everyone for your time today | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 18:51:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-30-18.03.html | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-30-18.03.txt | 18:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-07-30-18.03.log.html | 18:51 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:51 |
| igordcard | bye | 18:51 |
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| mattgriffin | #startmeeting ha-guide | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 20:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | hi megm | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | anyone else here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:01 |
| megm | Hi, Matt! | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | here's the agenda: | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | just a quick update on things today and then any other items to discuss | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm, how are you? | 20:02 |
| megm | Hanging in there -- how are you? | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm, lots of meetings today. looking forward to actually doing some work... eventually | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:03 |
| megm | Good luck with that ;-) | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | hehe | 20:03 |
| megm | I just started reading the ha-guide as it is... An interesting endeavor... | 20:04 |
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| mattgriffin | yeah. i was going to start doing that as well | 20:04 |
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| mattgriffin | one of the action items from last week was to "look into how to call out bugs for the HA Guide sections" | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | so i made a note at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | basically i propose that all reviewers of the draft HA Guide that are filing bugs should tag their issue with ha-guide | 20:05 |
| megm | Do we need to file a bug for each CR now? Andrew B asked me and I admit that I hadn't thought about that... | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | yeah. for everyone in column E i think that's the best way to do it | 20:06 |
| megm | +1 -- then we can search for ha-guide and get the current list. | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | s/everyone/everything | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | megm, aye | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | all issues go into the openstack-manuals LP project so we need a way to easily filter | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 20:07 |
| megm | Who can triage these bugs then? | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | i can keep a look out for them | 20:07 |
| megm | We need to keep this process moving, I think, so that people who come on to help don't get discouraged. | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | i was going to email a bunch of the contributors to the various openstack services and ask them to review the content that most applies to them | 20:08 |
| megm | Do you know when/if clouddon will be back with us? | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | i do not. i'll try to ping him | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin find clouddon | 20:08 |
| megm | Are you getting responses from them? I tried putting them on the reviewer list and sending emai for a couple of the pieces and got bupkas | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | i haven't sent any yet | 20:09 |
| megm | It may have gotten lost in the noise, of course. | 20:09 |
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| megm | Perhaps a formal request will help us get on their respective radars. | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | med_, responded to the swift one. thanks med_ !!! | 20:10 |
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| mattgriffin | give ya' a shoutout | 20:10 |
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| megm | It seems that Pacemaker is in good hands -- I touched base with Radek (who has been busy with other things but still plans to work on this). | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | so i'll take that as an action item... email a bunch of contributors and try to get some reviews going for the draft guide and bug filing | 20:11 |
| megm | He says that Andrew B who joined us last week is a big contributor to Pacemaker so he's thrilled to have his involvement. | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin email a bunch of contributors and try to get some reviews going for the draft guide and bug filing | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | megm, cool | 20:12 |
| megm | I wonder if we should consider holding this meeting at an "eastern hemisphere" hour every other week. | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | that's a good idea | 20:13 |
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| megm | Once we have bugs, how do we get people to contribute some content? | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ideally the person who filed the bug would either provide the content or advise | 20:13 |
| megm | Some may just put the info we need into the bug so I can grab it and write it up. | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | if needed we can add their content on their behalf | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | yup yup | 20:14 |
| megm | That will be terrific if it works. | 20:14 |
| megm | You'll be explaining all this in the mail you send out, correct? | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | yeah | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | i'll cc you on all messages | 20:14 |
| megm | Any luck with Percona people and the MySQL piece? | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | not yet. need to ping them again | 20:15 |
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| mattgriffin | might have to find another source | 20:15 |
| med_ | Oh, ha-guide time is now? | 20:15 |
| * med_ thought it was at 8am this morning | 20:15 | |
| med_ | no wonder I haven't been seeing them. | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | med_, :) | 20:15 |
| med_ | every week or two weeks? | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | med_, every week | 20:16 |
| med_ | adding | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | but only 30 min (hopefully) | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | ok. back to Percona... i'll contact some old consulting colleagues directly as well as ping their boss (again) | 20:17 |
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| megm | Have you spoken to nchase lately? Mirantis has some good MySQL people, too, at least for the basics. | 20:19 |
| megm | med_, you represent Swift? | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | i haven't. i'll try him too | 20:19 |
| megm | I see that his boss has a new job, not at Mirantis... May be some upheaval... | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | interesting | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | ok. need to run soon.... | 20:21 |
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| megm | Is _med still here? | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | i have a couple of action items and need to track down a few people | 20:21 |
| megm | Sounds good. I guess I should read and file bugs. | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | and we should start to read/review the HA Guide draft from beginning to end and file bugs | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | hehe... yes | 20:22 |
| megm | It seems that the NEXT/PREVIOUS buttons have disappeared... Really hard to read this thing! | 20:22 |
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| megm | I think a new CSS is being released soon -- it sounds like it may have better navagation. | 20:24 |
| med_ | megm, erm, no. | 20:24 |
| * med_ is here | 20:24 | |
| med_ | (called away IRL briefly) | 20:24 |
| megm | med_, excellent! | 20:25 |
| megm | So you represent swift? | 20:25 |
| med_ | megm, not in the slightest. | 20:25 |
| med_ | I work for Time Warner Cable. Ie, I'm an operator with a lot of openstack background | 20:25 |
| * med_ has 4.5 years of openstack now | 20:26 | |
| megm | Ah, very cool! | 20:26 |
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| med_ | maybe 4.3 | 20:26 |
| megm | Wow -- 4.5 years! | 20:26 |
| med_ | I'm sure that's not helpful, but it is accurate. | 20:26 |
| megm | ;-) .2 of a year can be significant... | 20:26 |
| med_ | mattgriffin, do you have a roll call setup for this meeting. If I can be added that would be helpful. I have pulled in the ICS. | 20:27 |
| med_ | (which is also helpful) | 20:27 |
| megm | Are you a writer and comfortable with RST? If not, I am here to serve as your scribe if you can contribute content. | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | med_, i do not. where can i find docs to set that up? | 20:27 |
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| mattgriffin | med_, er... i'll look into setting it up :) | 20:28 |
| med_ | in the nova meetings, they just have a list on the wiki you can edit to be notified at meeting start time. | 20:28 |
| mattgriffin | ah cool. | 20:28 |
| med_ | It' just a list of nics anyone can paste into the channel | 20:28 |
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| megm | Very cool! | 20:28 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin set up a roll call (like those guys on nova) and include med_ | 20:29 |
| med_ | hmm, the ICS I just added for this meeting has set it at 3pm | 20:29 |
| med_ | per the eavesdrop listing | 20:29 |
| med_ | so maybe the eavesdrop listing needs an update | 20:29 |
| med_ | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_HA_Guide_update_Meeting | 20:30 |
| med_ | so is it at 2100 UTC or is it at some other time? | 20:30 |
| med_ | dmbp:~ dmedberry$ TZ=UTC date | 20:31 |
| med_ | Thu Jul 30 20:30:57 UTC 2015 | 20:31 |
| med_ | the meeting appears to be starting in 30 minutes mattgriffin | 20:31 |
| mattgriffin | hmm... | 20:32 |
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| megm | Ah, that's the old time. when we went to DST, this time slot was hard for people so we moved it. | 20:32 |
| mattgriffin | need to update | 20:32 |
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| med_ | the infra project needs an update then | 20:34 |
| med_ | i cna update it | 20:35 |
| mattgriffin | med_, thanks! | 20:36 |
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| med_ | https://review.openstack.org/207614 | 20:37 |
| med_ | feel free to add yoursleves as reviewer and look at it. | 20:37 |
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| mattgriffin | cool | 20:38 |
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| * med_ is kind of amazed he hadn't been cluebatted about this months ago | 20:40 | |
| med_ | megm, did you have anymore questions for me? I think this room is idle until top of the hour | 20:40 |
| med_ | or until mattgriffin does a closemeeting action... | 20:41 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:41 |
| megm | Nothing specific unless you want to work on something in real time ;-) | 20:41 |
| med_ | i've got minutes right now... I'm not an RST guy as you've clearly picked up on. | 20:41 |
| med_ | and I've got nothing that needs to go into ha-guide at the moment either. | 20:42 |
| megm | I had not picked up that you are not an RST guy. | 20:42 |
| megm | Ah, if you don't have changes, then you must not have read the draft ;-) | 20:42 |
| med_ | I would appreciate someone looking at: | 20:42 |
| med_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206261/ | 20:43 |
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| * med_ doesn't have a draft horse, a draft beer, nor a cool breeze, so apparently not | 20:43 | |
| med_ | I see three in process ha-guide reviews and I've looked at all of those but not any "draft" so to speak. | 20:43 |
| megm | http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/ | 20:44 |
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| med_ | cool I'll review | 20:44 |
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| * med_ wonders wehre the text/code is... | 20:44 | |
| med_ | I'll have comments later then @megm. | 20:44 |
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| megm | Ah, you you made some updates to the docbooks cinder section. | 20:45 |
| med_ | That I did do. | 20:45 |
| megm | Where are you for getting that merged? I will pick up these changes and add them to the RST version. | 20:45 |
| * med_ knows much more about cinder than about Swift | 20:45 | |
| med_ | and much more about Nova than about Swift | 20:45 |
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| megm | ;-) | 20:46 |
| megm | I suspect you know more about almost all the OpenStack components than I do! | 20:46 |
| med_ | I really don't see the "draft" git repo | 20:46 |
| med_ | not sure where that is. If you can point me at it megm, I'd be forever grateful. | 20:46 |
| megm | Ah, the git repo is not "draft" -- that is coming from Jenkins. | 20:47 |
| med_ | gotcha | 20:47 |
| med_ | so I have the main repo for ha-guid, cinder, security-doc, nova, etc. | 20:47 |
| med_ | and I've made changes in most of those and proposed in another. | 20:48 |
| megm | The git repo is the same one as the docbook repo -- the docbook source is under high-availability and the new RST guide is under ha-guide | 20:48 |
| megm | Could you email me the CR numbers for all those? DreidelLhasa@yahoo.com or meg.mcroberts@yahoo.com | 20:49 |
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| megm | It looks like your changes, at least in the CR I'm looking at, are related to new components. Do you know which OpenStack release first supports this stuff? | 20:51 |
| megm | Matt, what is our plan? Changes that affect Juno and earlier can go into the docbook version? Anything that is for Liberty and forward only should only go into the RST version? | 20:52 |
| med_ | the one I referenced above (with the added Py3 line) is as of Kilo. The older way (original mysql://) is since the beginning of time. | 20:52 |
| med_ | and so I've been told any changes I make, make to both the xml and the RST | 20:52 |
| med_ | I've done no changes that are "Liberty" changes. | 20:53 |
| megm | Sounds like a plan. Except, if you like, I can do the RST pieces. | 20:53 |
| megm | Good -- that's what I wanted to check. It sounds like you are on top of thigs. | 20:53 |
| med_ | I just hate using and seeing out of date documentation (or worse, so out of date it's just plain wrong.) | 20:53 |
| med_ | coolio. | 20:53 |
| mattgriffin | sorry.. had to step away. | 20:54 |
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| megm | Oh, me too! What I really prefer is documentation that specifies the release when something is added. | 20:54 |
| mattgriffin | y'all all good | 20:54 |
| mattgriffin | ? | 20:54 |
| mattgriffin | ^ that's some Texan | 20:54 |
| megm | That way, it's clear, even if the maintenance process falls apart. | 20:54 |
| megm | So perhaps this doc should say, "Alternatively, for Kilo and later releases, you can switch to pymysql...." | 20:55 |
| megm | matt, are you a native Texan? | 20:56 |
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| mattgriffin | yes sir | 20:56 |
| megm | Cool! | 20:56 |
| mattgriffin | ok. nearing the top of the hour. cool to endmeeting? | 20:57 |
| megm | med_, are we agreed that I'll do the RST for your docbook modifications? I'll make you a reviewer, of course? | 20:57 |
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| med_ | uh, that's fine. Not necessary, but fine. | 20:58 |
| megm | You have my email? Write to me and then matt can end this meeting... | 20:58 |
| med_ | go for it, endmeet | 20:58 |
| megm | med_, it's up to you-- I'm just trying to be helpful ;-) | 20:58 |
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| megm | Have a great week, everyone! | 20:58 |
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| mattgriffin | Thanks! | 21:01 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-07-30-20.00.html | 21:01 |
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