| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 00:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:01 |
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| elmiko | anyone here? | 00:01 |
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| ryansb | \o | 00:02 |
| ryansb | if it's just us, we can skip this week | 00:02 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:03 |
| elmiko | i do appreciate the re-review on the 5xx stuff, thank you =) | 00:03 |
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| ryansb | np, anything else dying for review? | 00:06 |
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| ryansb | I think I hit all the frozen ones. | 00:06 |
| elmiko | hmm | 00:06 |
| elmiko | i'm really curious to hear what people think about the 1xx advice, if we need it or not. | 00:06 |
| elmiko | i had an extended conversation with notmyname and lifeless about it | 00:06 |
| elmiko | and basically our advice is, use it if you need to, but be sure you read the rfc and the wsgi docs. | 00:07 |
| elmiko | which kinda does seem like non-advice. i dunno | 00:07 |
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| elmiko | i think i could re-write the guidance, but i could use some.... guidance ;) | 00:07 |
| lifeless | is it something we see people making mistakes on? | 00:08 |
| ryansb | Yeah, I'd probably say it's not necessary guidance | 00:08 |
| lifeless | HTTP is HUGE | 00:08 |
| lifeless | writing a shadow RFC is going to consume you :) | 00:08 |
| ryansb | since afaik nobody has asked about it | 00:08 |
| ryansb | lifeless: lol | 00:08 |
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| lifeless | I wrote up a spreadsheet once | 00:08 |
| elmiko | it was added in the spirit of completeness, so that we had something for each category of response | 00:09 |
| lifeless | of all the MUST, MUST NOT, etc etc etc in HTTP/1.1 | 00:09 |
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| elmiko | and? | 00:09 |
| lifeless | hundreds of rows | 00:09 |
| elmiko | lol ouch | 00:09 |
| ryansb | o.O | 00:10 |
| elmiko | my question for the group is, is it worth it to add a small paragraph or two describing that mostly the 1xx series doesn't need to be used manually, but that 100 should get special attention and to be carefule when using it (paraphrase)? | 00:10 |
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| lifeless | I think it got lost when the squid-cache server had a crash | 00:11 |
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| ryansb | fair, but no more than 2. | 00:11 |
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| elmiko | "two paragraphs only Mr. Vasily" ;) | 00:12 |
| ryansb | lol | 00:12 |
| lifeless | ahhhttp://web.archive.org/web/20041204194210/http://devel.squid-cache.org/squidhttp1.1.htm | 00:13 |
| lifeless | http://web.archive.org/web/20041204194210/http://devel.squid-cache.org/squidhttp1.1.htm | 00:13 |
| ryansb | gotta make sure we don't alert the americans. :) | 00:13 |
| elmiko | hehe | 00:13 |
| lifeless | so just under 500 distinct requirement | 00:13 |
| elmiko | lifeless: impressive | 00:13 |
| ryansb | lifeless: goodness... | 00:13 |
| lifeless | yeah | 00:14 |
| lifeless | so- I think we should provide advice on things people get wrong | 00:14 |
| lifeless | not on the spec | 00:14 |
| lifeless | cause - bottomless pit of despair | 00:14 |
| lifeless | we've had 0 occurences of this being wrong :) | 00:14 |
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| lifeless | sigmavirus24: oh yeah - you'll likely find ^^^ entertaining, speaking of RFC-heads :) | 00:15 |
| elmiko | so, 1 for yes, 1 for no... ಠ_ಠ | 00:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh right | 00:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Forgot about this meeting | 00:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 00:15 |
| elmiko | np | 00:15 |
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| ryansb | sigmavirus24: break the tie! | 00:16 |
| * sigmavirus24 is reading the scrollback | 00:16 | |
| * sigmavirus24 wonders where miguelgrinberg and stevelle are | 00:16 | |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah I was worried we were reiterating in shorter, less clear (to some) language what the HTTP specs say | 00:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not sure how much of HTTP the protocol we need to cover. Error codes make sense, but I'm not certain we need guidance for every class | 00:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | I doubt anyone is misusing 301/302/307/308 for redirects | 00:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | And I doubt their misusing permanent redirects otherwise requests would have already been yelled at on the openstack-dev mailing list again | 00:19 |
| elmiko | ok, fair. i'll abandon the 1xx review | 00:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry for all that hassle elmiko | 00:19 |
| * sigmavirus24 goes back to hacking on cryptography | 00:20 | |
| elmiko | no problem, i learned a ton about 100-continue thatnks in no small part to lifeless | 00:20 |
| elmiko | the only other question i had for the group, was about moving this guideline into freeze | 00:20 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180094 | 00:20 |
| elmiko | any thoughts? (seems like we have good approval so far) | 00:20 |
| ryansb | +1, freeze it | 00:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | F-f-f-f-f-f-freeze it | 00:22 |
| elmiko | hehe, ok. will do | 00:22 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to freeze and notify about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180094 | 00:22 |
| elmiko | well, if no one else has a topic i suppose we can close this out and take back the 35 minutes left =) | 00:23 |
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| sigmavirus24 | woot | 00:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | more time to run cryptography's tests =P | 00:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | all 140k+ of them | 00:24 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:24 |
| elmiko | thanks everybody! | 00:24 |
| ryansb | lucky you | 00:24 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 00:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 00:24:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:24 |
| ryansb | thanks folks. | 00:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-25-00.01.html | 00:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-25-00.01.txt | 00:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-25-00.01.log.html | 00:24 |
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| lifeless | yw | 00:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi Neutron L3 | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 15:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | The mid-cycle is going on as we speak. | 15:01 |
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| neiljerram | o/ | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Liberty-1 is pretty much now or close to now. | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, given that a number of us are busy with the mid-cycle, let’s just do Open Discussion and see what comes up. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi neiljerram, so far you’re the only one I know is here. :) | 15:03 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:03 |
| neiljerram | Well, if there's nothing else, I'm curious to know how you're doing with the L3 routed stuff | 15:03 |
| vikram_ | i have few question about address scope and subnetpool association | 15:04 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: :0 | 15:04 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: sorry, meant :) | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | I have a small updated on IPv6 PD | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | IPv6 PD patches have been swapped around so that the DB chnages will merge first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697/ | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: You have the floor. | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | I think this makes more sense and should make reviewing much easier | 15:04 |
| neiljerram | PD? (sorry for my ignorance) | 15:05 |
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| john-davidge | a lot is in flux with all the ipam work going in right now so it might be a while until it’s ’stable’ enough, but it’s in a good state now | 15:05 |
| john-davidge | neiljerram: Prefix Delegation | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: Thanks for doing that. It looks like a reasonably reviewable patch. | 15:06 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Hope so! I don’t expect much attention until after the mid-cycle though, I’m sure everyone is very busy | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | This will give me more time to look at splitting up the agent-side chnages further as well | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | That’s it from me unless there’s any questions | 15:08 |
| vikram_ | Hi Carl | 15:08 |
| vikram_ | Patches about address scope CRUD + cli changes are out | 15:08 |
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| vikram_ | i have few question about address scope and subnetpool association | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: This is true, it is hard to get reviews in during the mid-cycle. | 15:08 |
| * carl_baldwin will try though | 15:08 | |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Thanks, all feedback appreciated | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Do you have a link to the address scope CRUD patch handy? | 15:09 |
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| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189741/ | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: What questions do you have? | 15:09 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/194635 | 15:09 |
| vikram_ | i was wondering to have a separate CLI for associating addr-scope and subnetpool | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram_: On the former change, 189741, do you have a handle on the test failures? | 15:10 |
| vikram_ | not in the create itself | 15:10 |
| gsagie | hello | 15:11 |
| vikram_ | we are checking the failures.. will resolve it soon | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | vikram_: I think that association should be made using the subnetpool CLI, if I understand you correctly | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: re: the CLI, how do you suggest the API will look? | 15:11 |
| vikram_ | neutron-addr-scope-associate --subnetpool xxx | 15:12 |
| vikram_ | tidwellr: I am even okay with your idea | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: with —address-scope yyy too, right? | 15:12 |
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| vikram_ | yes | 15:12 |
| tidwellr | vikram_: I was thinking that address_scope_id is an attribute of a subnetpool, it's just and update to the subnetpool | 15:13 |
| vikram_ | hmm... i am okay with this idea as well | 15:13 |
| vikram_ | actually this will be easier :) | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | +1, I’m okay with it. | 15:15 |
| tidwellr | vikram_: Let me backtrack on that. If you make the association through the address_scope API's it may be easier to check for prefix uniqueness and enforce it | 15:15 |
| vikram_ | IMHO, it will be good to keep addr-scope create cli independent and not associate it anyother model | 15:15 |
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| vikram_ | tidwellr: +1 | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I can go either way. | 15:16 |
| vikram_ | ok.. | 15:17 |
| vikram_ | i will check the pros and cons of each and choose the best one | 15:18 |
| vikram_ | So all agree not to put it in create cli.. right? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: +1 | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Wait, not +1 to last statement yet. I’m not sure I understand it. | 15:19 |
| vikram_ | that's all from addr scope.. will fix all the open items by next week | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Okay, +1 not putting it in create cli. I had to reread what you typed. | 15:20 |
| vikram_ | ok | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Thanks. | 15:21 |
| vikram_ | i m done :) | 15:21 |
| yamahata | Hi. Regarding to ML3, the operational scenario is added to ether pad | 15:22 |
| yamahata | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-modular-l3-router-plugin-use-cases | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: What I consider important about the association is that we don’t allow duplicate addresses across the scope. | 15:22 |
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| yamahata | Please review and I'll also ping by email. | 15:22 |
| vikram_ | carl: ok .. will ensure this requirement | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Thanks. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram_: Great. | 15:23 |
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| johnbelamaric | i think next ipam patch is ready to merge | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194605/ | 15:23 |
| pavel_bondar | yes | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: ack | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks everyone. I think we’ll close this meeting for today. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 15:30:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-25-15.00.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-25-15.00.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-25-15.00.log.html | 15:30 |
| vikram_ | bye | 15:30 |
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| yamamoto | bye | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: did I completely miss it? | 15:31 |
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| vnod | #startmeeting cloudpulse | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 16:01:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| vnod | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
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| vnod | o/ folks | 16:02 |
| Ericn | open openstack-meetings-3 | 16:03 |
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| anand1712 | Hi | 16:07 |
| vnod | hello anand | 16:07 |
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| anand1712 | Hi vnod | 16:07 |
| vnod | just two of us today | 16:07 |
| vnod | we will keep it short | 16:08 |
| anand1712 | sure | 16:08 |
| vnod | #topic action-items review | 16:08 |
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| vnod | did you file quick-dev guide BP ? | 16:08 |
| anand1712 | I am filing it today. | 16:09 |
| vnod | tx | 16:10 |
| vnod | I have not done system-arch BP | 16:11 |
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| vnod | I will file it after libery l1 relase | 16:11 |
| anand1712 | ok | 16:12 |
| vnod | #topic extension | 16:12 |
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| vnod | how is the security extension coming up | 16:12 |
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| vnod | any changes needed to infra ? | 16:13 |
| anand1712 | The secuirty extension has been written .Testing is going on. | 16:13 |
| anand1712 | 1 change where they need print tables in result.we need to discuss regarding that. | 16:14 |
| vnod | ok. | 16:14 |
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| vnod | is it minor change ? | 16:14 |
| vnod | can we commit that for L1 rel | 16:15 |
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| anand1712 | it may need a new table for security .so I think it can be delayed for now | 16:15 |
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| vnod | ok. | 16:16 |
| vnod | lets go with out it | 16:16 |
| vnod | moving topic to open discussion | 16:16 |
| vnod | #topic opendiscussion | 16:17 |
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| vnod | any thing to discuss on the release ? | 16:17 |
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| anand1712 | I noticed we may need to add more logging in some modules we created.Can we add it now or delay it? | 16:18 |
| vnod | It will be nice to add it now | 16:18 |
| vnod | we should correctly categorize them to debug/info so we don't print lot of messages | 16:18 |
| anand1712 | ok | 16:19 |
| vnod | unless debug=True is set in cloudpulse.conf | 16:19 |
| vnod | ok, can you finish that today ? | 16:19 |
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| anand1712 | yes | 16:20 |
| vnod | ok, any thing else. | 16:20 |
| anand1712 | nothing from my side | 16:20 |
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| vnod | we can close the meeting .. | 16:20 |
| vnod | tx for joining | 16:21 |
| anand1712 | sure | 16:21 |
| vnod | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:21:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-25-16.01.html | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-25-16.01.txt | 16:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-25-16.01.log.html | 16:21 |
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| docaedo | hi :) starting in one sec... | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 17:01:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:01 | |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:01 |
| docaedo | Who do we have today? | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | pong | 17:02 |
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| kfox1111 | hi | 17:03 |
| docaedo | OK | 17:03 |
| docaedo | #topic Horizon panel to browse app catalog | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111 do you want to lead this? I'll share the link to the CORS change in a sec | 17:04 |
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| kfox1111 | sure. | 17:04 |
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| kfox1111 | so I was watching the summit video on writing a horizon plugin and it looked very very easy, so I took a stab at adapting the demo plugin to work with the app catalog. | 17:05 |
| kfox1111 | demo video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3onNfjf4uY | 17:05 |
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| kfox1111 | right now it only supports the heat resources but the others should be easy to add as well. | 17:06 |
| kfox1111 | It also needs a local copy of the yaml file converted to a json document. We need to enable CORS support on apps.openstack.org and have json versions of the yaml files there in order to pull from. | 17:06 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo's been working on that. | 17:06 |
| docaedo | To help support that, I have this patch to enable CORS, and to copy the YAML contents to JSON files when the repo is updated: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194875/ | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | the prototype ui is available here: https://github.com/kfox1111/horizon branch angular-table-demo if anyone wants to play with it. | 17:07 |
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| kfox1111 | It needs to be split up into a plugin and a set of patches against horizon. stock horizon didn't quite have enough features to make it work out of the box. | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: so it's going to be a static json file, that's regenerated every time you update the app-catalog | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | right? | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | for now, thats probably the easiest way forward. | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yes for now | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | longer term, it might be nice to store the json docs in something like elasticsearch in order to make faceting/searching work nicely. | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | next topic I want to talk about touches on a bigger picture thing, which is goign away from individual yaml files into something that easily supports more assets (but not 'till we're doing talking about this) | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: that's actually a correct approach for short-to-mid term imo =) | 17:10 |
| docaedo | can the horizon plugin be extended to kick off a glance create-image pretty easily? | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: I think I'm ok with a separate plugin, although in my opinion it creates a situation, where a user has 2 ways to perform the same task. | 17:11 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: I think for app catalog to be easy to use from horizon, that's an OK problem | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: I think so. might need a patch similar to the heat one. | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | because for instance, if there's a panel that can browse app catalog contents, and give you a click for "get this glance image", techincally they could also browse the catalog directly, get the URL, and import from glance | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | docaedo: I think everything which is available in app catalog should be put into Glance | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | including Heat and murano artifacts | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | ativelkov: how would a heat template be put into glance? you mean glance v3? | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: I think amazon, google, and apple's app stores all have that. a local tool and a website you can browse. | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | docaedo: yes | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: agree | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I still think, that a less obtrusive way to perform the task (give user access to catalog assets) is to hook up to specific forms (import heat template, import glance image, etc.) | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | the local tool is more convenient. the website helps when you don't have that tool handy and your bored. :) | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like, give a separate source. | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | the workflow to the user is backwards though. | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | you have to know you want a heat template, then go looking for one. | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | with the central ui, you go look for an app, and go launch it. | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | you don't have to care what engine the develoepr decided to implement it with. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | regarding glance, I think ultimately that's worth working towards, but that's definitely further down the road | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | docaedo: well, it is not THAT further down :) V3 is already in trunk | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | like most things in horizon, I think both ui's can be supported. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | a horizon plugin could give people a flexible way to pull in catalog assets right now (and could even be back-ported to Juno for instance) | 17:15 |
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| kfox1111 | docaedo: I'm afraid with the horizon changes that are going on right now, that might be difficult. | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | It was easy to write the plugin using the angular stuff, but thats brand new. | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: yep. I still haven't found time to play with this idea =( I hope I'll have some next week, and show you a mock-up. =) | 17:16 |
| docaedo | ah right, that's true | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | it could be rewritten whith their older stuff to be more portable, but alot more work. :/ | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: ok. cool. | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | with the angular stuff coming about, | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | I just don't want anybody to reinvent the wheel: Glance has most of the features for app catalog already present, and the rest are in the roadmap. I think the app-catalog team should take part in its design, so these two things aren't misaligned | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | we should be able to make our code widgety, and then embed it in glance's ui, or heat or murano, prefiltered out to that service. | 17:17 |
| docaedo | at least regarding where assets land locally, a horizon plugin doesn't have to be opinionated about that, should be able to put heat in glance if the environment supports it | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: Yeah. I think thats a good idea. | 17:17 |
| docaedo | I think the mission of glance artifact repository overlaps with app catalog, but they're not aiming to be the same thing | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: now, you're talking! that's exactly what I thought, regarding widgets and integration. | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: I think both workflows can be enabled by that. each of the services can get their filtered view, but we can provide an overall view too so the user can pick the workflow that meets their needs best. | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | There are two things to consider: Glance may serve as App-Catalog backend (thus providing search, tags, versions, artifact type extensions, etc, etc) and it may be the "local thing" | 17:19 |
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| docaedo | ativelkov: agreed on glance being good choice for backend (will talk about that when we switch to next topic) | 17:20 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: is there anything I or others can do to help you with the horizon stuff ATM? | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | that would make for a nice "install" thing too. it copies bits from the remote catalog to glance locally. | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | kfox1111: exactly! | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | If anyone's interested in hooking it up to glance/murano and has some time, that would be cool. | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | the cors stuff would really help too. | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | we probably really need to meet with the glance team and figure out how we settle on tags, versons, etc. | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | if we can share all of that, it would make the downlaod from global -> local really smooth. | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: I'm going to try and help you with murano =) (Since I'm a murano developer anyway =)) | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and probably glance too | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: I am here as part of the Glance Team | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: awesome. :) | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | (and the main driver of artifacts/v3 btw) | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: cool. :) | 17:23 |
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| docaedo | OK, moving on? | 17:24 |
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| kfox1111 | so where to hook in is at: | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | https://github.com/kfox1111/horizon/blob/angular-table-demo/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/app_catalog/templates/app_catalog/index.html | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | see the button. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | The other place: https://github.com/kfox1111/horizon/blob/angular-table-demo/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/app_catalog/views.py | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | is where the data gets pulled in. | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | no, wait.. scratch that second one... | 17:25 |
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| kfox1111 | its here: https://github.com/kfox1111/horizon/blob/angular-table-demo/openstack_dashboard/static/dashboard/project/app_catalog/app_catalog.js | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | so we need to get it pulling from the other yaml files as well, and from apps.openstack.org. | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | then update the button from "Launch" to "Install" for Murano and Glance entries. | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: so you just cloned horizon and decided to skip all the bustle with plugins for now =) | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | though I'm still thinking we probably want to split this catalog into "applications" and "components" | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | where things that are simply installable go in components, and things that are imediately launchable go in applications. | 17:28 |
| docaedo | next topic touches on multiple yaml files, and multiple asset types :) | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: yeah. I think we can worry about pulling out the plugin bits later. | 17:28 |
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| kfox1111 | horizon itself doesn't quite have that figured out yet for angular. | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | I just cloned their angular demo plugin branch. | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | then tweaked it a bit. | 17:29 |
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| kfox1111 | docaedo: Ok. does yaql schema support subtypes? | 17:30 |
| docaedo | #topic Next steps to adding additional asset types | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | Near term, I want to take the following steps (within two weeks) | 17:30 |
| docaedo | Update website JS to handle pulling existing assets from a single YAML instead of three | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | in xml schema for example, you can have one schema, that has generic types, and then have seperate schema files depending on the parent type. | 17:30 |
| docaedo | Combine all three YAMLs into a single one (will require one new field, asset_type) | 17:30 |
| docaedo | Make sure this change does not impact Murano (I don't think it would?) | 17:30 |
| docaedo | This would give us a foundation for then creating new asset types, and changing the website | 17:31 |
| docaedo | to handle them. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | Outside this effort (medium term) kfox1111 I think wants to explore using elasticsearch to h | 17:31 |
| docaedo | old asset list | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | so... is murano shipping any code that actually uses the static files yet? | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: what do you mean static files? | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | because these url's are becoming... api for lack of a better word. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | AFAIK no, I believe when you paste in the application name, murano then goes to the object store to pull it | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | I mean, if we moved the yaml file on the website, would it break any existing customers? | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | which yaml files? | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | the app definitions? | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yaml — not at all. murano relies on the binary files and paths to binary files | 17:32 |
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| kfox1111 | for example, http://apps.openstack.org/static/glance_images.yaml | 17:32 |
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| kfox1111 | so its not using http://apps.openstack.org/static/murano_images.yaml directly? | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | nope | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | say if you have app a.zip that says it needs app b.zip it would try to download it from the same server .../apps/b.zip | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | each murano package has its own list of dependencies | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: true | 17:33 |
| docaedo | so changing the YAML will not impact murano, but changing the object store would | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: correct | 17:34 |
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| kfox1111 | ok. so then merging without having a process that pulls back out the murano stuff back into a seperate yaml file would be ok. | 17:34 |
| docaedo | combining into a single yaml is safe, and then from there lets us start working on the website to handle that better | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 17:35 |
| docaedo | also makes the horizon stuff easier (single json to grab) | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: does the glance artifact stuff already have metadata defined for versions, tags, etc? | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: yes | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:35 |
| docaedo | Longer term, I think glance should be used for this (as it would provide the functionality w | 17:35 |
| docaedo | e need), but it's not an easy swap in - but luckily ativelkov can help scope that effort :) | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | since we're starting to talk about reworking the stuff in the catalog, maybe we should review glance's metadata and adopt what we can? | 17:36 |
| docaedo | (ugh, sorry for ugly paste) | 17:36 |
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| ativelkov | docaedo: do you want a PoC which runs the API for app-catalog on Glance V3? | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: Have a link with docs or a spec for the metadata? | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | that would be interesting. :) | 17:36 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: I'm fine with looking at that sure, but I'm thinking this change is VERY simple, and just gives us an analog of what we have today | 17:36 |
| docaedo | seeing a PoC of ap catalog on gance would be rad | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: https://github.com/openstack/glance-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo/artifact-repository.rst | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: yeah. not saying we have to do both at the same time. just getting the ball rolling. | 17:37 |
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| docaedo | #action docaedo to create blueprint for the first phase of this effort | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: Thanks. | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | (its a kilo spec so it's a bit outdated, by in general the schema remain the same) | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | any plans for artifact dependencies? | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | Already there | 17:38 |
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| kfox1111 | ah I see it. | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | scalar dependencies (X depends on Y) and list dependencies (X depends on [A,B,C]) | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | do you have an import mechanism finished yet? | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | static only for now, i.e. dependency is established between two particular artifacts (by id), no query-based ones yet | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: nope, there is an unfinished PoC | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | import is planned for L cycle | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | by id? hmm... | 17:40 |
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| kfox1111 | uuid or some other identifier like murano uses? | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | uuid | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | bummer. k. | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | dynamic dependencies will use name + version combination | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | so when importing, there needs to be a process to map some generic name to a specific one. | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | including Name<=version | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | is that slotted for L too? | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | yup. It is relatevely simple, but the performance may suck, as there is no way to pre-cache the transitive dependencies | 17:41 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | eg. if X depends on Y and Y depends on Z, then we'll have two DB queries to fetch all the dependencies of X if they are dynamic | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | static dependencies are denormalized, so the whole graph may be fetched in one queiry | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | query* | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | you could denormalize the dynamic ones in a cache? | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | yes, sure | 17:43 |
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| kfox1111 | is glance itself planning on implementing a launch ui for artifacts so that if you are browsing, say a heat template, you can hit "launch" and it will start up the workflow? | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: no, glance is a catalog of stuff, it does not launch anything | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | well, it does today for images. | 17:45 |
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| kfox1111 | just wondering how that will work with other types of artifacts. | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | that's nova who launches them | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | yes, but in horizon, you can view the images, and hit launch next to the image, and it kicks of f the nova workflow. | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | just wondering if the glance ui team is going to do the same with other artifacts. | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | right, but that is the UI of this particular artifact type (images) | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | cause that overlaps with what I've been doing. | 17:46 |
| docaedo | good question and I was just going to ask that too | 17:46 |
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| ativelkov | we din't plan to have artifact-specific UIs | 17:46 |
| docaedo | so if there is a non-image artifact in glance, does it have to be viewed somewhere else? | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | ok. so the app catalog can/should still do that peice then. | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | Our understanding was that the project which is going to consume that particular type is going to own the appropriate UI | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | thats true. | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | i.e. Murano Dashboard uses glance client to retrieve murano artifacts, but it is up to Murano to render the appropriate UI | 17:48 |
| kfox1111 | but the glance image pain can kick that other ui to start. | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | Glance wil (traditionally) own the Images | 17:48 |
| kfox1111 | or are other artifact types hidden from the user? | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | In Images view only the artifacts of type "Image" will be shown | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | probably we will have some "admin view" which will display all the artifacts regardless of their type | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | but that is not designed yet | 17:49 |
| kfox1111 | ok. so every project that wants to store their artifact type need to provide glance artifact management ui for their parts? | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | first of all they will have to provide a glance plugin which defines the schema of their artifact | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | ok. that makes sense. | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | fields, dependencies, BLOBs etc | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | So, that is the project which owns the schema (via the plugin), not the Glance | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | then do you use glance cli to load the artifact types, glance artifact-list to find them, etc? | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | right | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | OR you may use project's own CLI | 17:51 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: what do you think ETA would be for seeing a PoC? Just want to know when to circle back to it - can check status weekly anyway | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | I.e. python-muranoclient references python-glanceclient to access artifacts but defines its own type-specific set of CLI commands | 17:52 |
| kfox1111 | just trying to figure this out from the heat templates perspective. so you'd create a glance artifact, load it with glance artifact-create, and then heat ui would need to be extended to support finding heat artifacts in the catalog? | 17:52 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... ok. | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | docaedo: the POC itslef is an easy part (next week I think), will just need to think about the loader from your yaml's | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: yes | 17:53 |
| docaedo | ativelkov: great! well I'll be on IRC to help however I can | 17:53 |
| ativelkov | BTW, we had a PoC before the first LoC of app-catalog was created :) | 17:53 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: sounds very interesting. | 17:53 |
| docaedo | nice! I think there's no question app catalog was needed, and a few different folks had slightly different interpretations in progress | 17:54 |
| * kfox1111 nods | 17:55 | |
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| docaedo | I'm looking forward to hopefully getting all of the best considerations rolled into this together | 17:55 |
| docaedo | So, moving on to open conversation? | 17:55 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: whats the status with the glance artifacts and the indexing service? | 17:55 |
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| kfox1111 | since its already doing elasticsearch? | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | Well, we've been in good contact with Travis, I was doing the reviews of it while that code was still part of Glance | 17:56 |
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| ativelkov | We plan to have plugin to Searchlite which will index all the artifacts in its elastic search | 17:56 |
| kfox1111 | interesting. | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | It's not started yet, as we want to finish the higher-priority stuff first | 17:57 |
| docaedo | just a few minutes left BTW | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | so the backend for the global app catalog might be able to just be glance + searchlite, | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | That's my vision of it | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | with a horizon plugin and a website wrapped around it, | 17:57 |
| docaedo | I'm excited to see the glance stuff moving along, and it really will be probably the perfect backend | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | and a tool to import artifacts from glance to glance. | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | Eventually we want to get a federation of catalogs | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | with app.openstack.org being a root entity | 17:58 |
| kfox1111 | cool. yeah. | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | and particular cloud deployments acting as leafs | 17:58 |
| kfox1111 | I was hoping to see something yum/apt like. | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | yeah | 17:58 |
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| ativelkov | Then think about signing the artifact, chains of trusts... yeah, lot's of work :) | 17:59 |
| kfox1111 | yup. | 17:59 |
| docaedo | ok we're out of time - thanks for this conversation, looking forward to the next steps! | 17:59 |
| kfox1111 | yup. me too. :) | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Thank you guys | 18:00 |
| kfox1111 | and it does sound like we still need the ui. | 18:00 |
| kfox1111 | just gota figure out how to plug it into murano/glance. :) | 18:00 |
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| docaedo | that won't be too hard :) | 18:00 |
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| docaedo | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 18:00:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-25-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-25-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-25-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: ransari s3wong yapeng: hi | 18:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
| yapeng | hi | 18:02 |
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| igordcard_ | Hi SumitNaiksatam ransari s3wong yapeng | 18:02 |
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| ransari | hi | 18:02 |
| s3wong | igordcard_: hello | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was waiting for rkukura and ivar-lazzaro to join | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can get started | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | probably a shorter meeting today | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 18:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_25th_2015 | 18:03 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:04 |
| rkukura | sorry I’m late | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi, no just in time :-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so first up, upadate on the release | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our original plan was to cut a k4 somewhere in middle of june | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and then do the release end of june | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we obviously didnt do the k4, so we are behind on that | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | at this point of time the delay in cutting k4 is with regards to the readiness of node drivers | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also the plumbers that ivar and igordcard_ are working on | 18:06 |
| ransari | @SumitNaiksatam What plumbers are Ivar and Igor working on? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will not be making it to the end of june now | 18:07 |
| igordcard_ | I'm expecting the beginning of July to give me a boost on my availability regarding the plumber | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: ok, np | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: ivar is working on the stitching plumber | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: and igordcard_ is working on a traffic sterring plumber | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: igordcard_’s patch is up for review | 18:08 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: sitcthing and steering for neutron rendering? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: we have not given you enough review feedback either! | 18:08 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam:ok | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so at this point i prefer not to put a specific date on the release, except that we should try to get to it at the earliest | 18:09 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: is the stitching plumber the same as the chain_agnostic plumber? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but of course our first priority is to cut k4 milestone | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: are you referring to the one that was already merged? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if so, that is not the stitching plumber | 18:10 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes. Not sure if its complete or if stitching is a new one | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the stitching plumber will allow insertion of transparent services | 18:10 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:11 |
| ransari | rkukura: chain_agnostic plumber does not do any stitching | 18:11 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: I do not yet have enough content to be reviewed either, I'm at fault there | 18:11 |
| rkukura | OK, so 3 plumbers in kilo! | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: okay :-) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, that is what we expect | 18:11 |
| ransari | rkukura: So when will we have the kilo rpms ready? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the chain agnostic one just creates a PT in a PTG | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: you mean k3 rpms? | 18:12 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or do you mean final kilo rpms? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:13 |
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| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: K3 and also final. | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: okay, so final will obviously depend on when we do the release | 18:13 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: Also the backports to stable/Juno will require new Juno rpms? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: i would expect the k4 rpms to be available before that | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will address backport, lets first hear from rkukura if he has update on k3 rpms | 18:14 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: we have customers asking for kilo rpms | 18:14 |
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| * rkukura wonders if we should stop calling these stable branches | 18:14 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: you mean asking now for k3 rpms? | 18:15 |
| rkukura | I’ve been wrestling with the nova node driver and a bit of neutron stuff, so haven’t made any progress on packaging the last week | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:16 |
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| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: yes k3 rpms for UI, but soon the backported Juno rpm | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as for backports, i release 2014.2.2 for group-based-policy-service | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | planning to release for ui and automation as soon as we are done with the backports | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: between juno and kilo which rpms are more urgent? | 18:18 |
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| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: Kilo UI rpms first and then Juno GBP service rpm | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: okay, lets follow up after this meeting to see how we can make progress on that | 18:19 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: do we have a date for this: 2014.2.2 for group-based-policy-service | 18:20 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: 2014.2.2 is already cut, but rpm will have to be created (it has backports and floating ip support) | 18:20 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: ok. thnaks | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Integration tests and gate | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | some of the current patches in review are failing the integration test suite (gbpfunc) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however the logs are not getting archived | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this patch fixes that: | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195394 | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once that patch is merged we will be able to get the logs on the failing patches and debug better | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also last week release of the new oslo libs caused some issues on our branches | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mainly due to i18n not being pinned at our end | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we expected this to come from the global requirements, however it was required to pin this particular lib on stable/juno | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, we are currently unblocked on the stable/juno for backports after that fix | 18:24 |
| rkukura | I’ll be back in 5 minutes | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also tried running Ajay’s rally test suite but ran into some problems | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will report next week on that | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Features | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/166424 | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Admin tenant owns service chain instances ^^^ | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar is not here | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: did you get a chance to look at the latest rev? | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe it has the default behaviour you need with regards to the provider owning the chain resources | 18:28 |
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| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: yes, i did and +1 it | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: ah ok, good | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/189640 | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “Reference driver for Node composition plugin” ^^^ | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: i dont think magesh is here, any update on the above? | 18:29 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: he is working on it | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: okay, any blockers that you know of? | 18:30 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: none that I am aware of | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: ok good | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | “Shared PRS" | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: i believe there was a suggestion from you to split the patch? | 18:31 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: Will get abck with the testing with along with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177159/ | 18:32 |
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| ransari | and wanted feedback from Ivar as to whtehr there are specific testcases to cover | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: ok great, perhaps you can note on the review | 18:33 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: the split suggestion was if it helps accelerate the merge | 18:33 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: perhaps we can consider split to have 2 parts (1) Shared PRS (2) SG Manager | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: i believe we need to check that the update works at all | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: duly noted | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: perhaps you want in the reverse order | 18:34 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:34 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: yes, that was not mean to be order, just the 2 parts | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: that said if the current patch is ready, you might not need the split | 18:34 |
| ransari | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you were comfortable with: #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “shared prs” ^^^ | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I haven’t looked at the latest patch set yet, but was comfortable with #16. | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I can re-review today | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 18:36 |
| rkukura | So no need to split? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think so | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if we are able to verify that this works (along with the neutron patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177159/) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari is planning to do the verification | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: meanwhile if you are fine with the code, please feel free to reflect that | 18:37 |
| rkukura | OK | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will have a second +2 only after verification from ransari | 18:37 |
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| rkukura | I may hold my +2 until the verification as well ;) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have an update on the implementation of the quota support | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but if anyone wants to jump in on this, please let me know | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need this to release kilo | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Heat | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in kilo we changed the namespace for the GBP resources | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the plan is to backport this to juno as well | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this will break existing templates that use the namespace used in jun | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | juno | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, if there are any heat stacks running (in Juno) they will have to be deleted, before doing the update | 18:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: If they aren’t deleted before, can they be deleted after, or is the DB corrupt? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so thats an interesting questions | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *question | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so when we are talking about DB here, we are talking about the internal DB | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | by internal i mean, the DB that tracks the state of resources in a stack | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is no DB schema for each heat resource | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, i am thinking that what you are asking might actually work | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, i havent tried it | 18:44 |
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| rkukura | Just my usual concerns about what happens when someone who has a juno-based fedora or RDO deployment runs “yum update”. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the worst case scenario that the delete doesnt work after update, the above backport is obviously disruptive | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, with little knowledge of any long standing deployment of GBP templates, we are leaning towards going forward with this backport | 18:46 |
| rkukura | That’s the thing wih open source - we can’t know if/how anyone is using it | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agreed | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: however, unlike the gbp service, the likelihood of a heat template being in deployment in much much lesser | 18:47 |
| rkukura | Assuming we ever get around to updating the juno fedora/RDO packages, I’m wondering what we can do to prevent people from trashing an existing deployment without being aware of it | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far we are aware of it being only used in demos, and testing scenarios | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: would proper documentation in release notes help? | 18:48 |
| ransari | rkukura: "Assuming we ever get around to updating the juno fedora/RDO packages" - is there a risk this won't be done? | 18:49 |
| ransari | rkukura: good suggestion w.r.t release notes. | 18:49 |
| rkukura | ransari: Just comenting because its been on my plate for a long time | 18:49 |
| ransari | rkukura: ok | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: another advantage of backporting is that it will make it easier for customers who are planning to use Juno to transition to Kilo | 18:50 |
| rkukura | Problem is an admin isn’t likely to read release notes before running “yum update” | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: note that these customers have not started using the Juno release yet but they plan to soon | 18:50 |
| rkukura | Maybe there would be a way to have the update fail before doing anything if there is an existing GBP DB, or something like that. | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: these are the real users/customers that we know of | 18:50 |
| rkukura | This isn’t the first item that is a concern for these updates | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so IMHO we should be aligning for users that we know that are definitely going to use this, versus those we think might be currently (but we have not data on) | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *not -> no | 18:52 |
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| rkukura | I’m not arguing to not do the update, just trying to make sure we have a way to prevent people from trashing a working deployment | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: regarding the update failing, i believe the update can be crafted that way | 18:53 |
| rkukura | s/update/backport/ | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: or at least the hooks exist to do that | 18:53 |
| rkukura | Lets move forward and leave this as a problem to be solved in the packaging | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, good suggestion | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ransari thanks for your input on this | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we will move forward with this backport | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | those using the Juno templates will have to update them after we do this update | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic CLI | 18:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CLI (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:54 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura’s patch on service profile: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192447 | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ransari: if magesh is able to verify this, please request him to comment on the review | 18:55 |
| rkukura | Ivar had some comments that I responded to, and I double-checked that the attributes all work, so hopefully he can re-review soon | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have 5 mins | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so a few quick questions, wanted to poll here - | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | earlier we had a “member CRUD” CLI | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we removed it | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | users are asking that we put this back | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since it corresponds to the behavior in the UO | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *UI | 18:56 |
| rkukura | what is “member CRUD”? | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also its kind of painful to deal with getting the port from the PT etc | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: create/delete Member in a PTG | 18:57 |
| rkukura | So PT CRUD? | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rather than having to create a PT, extract the port, then launch the VM using the Port | 18:57 |
| rkukura | Or is this the nova part? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the nova part | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just the way we have the option in the UI | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me know your thoughts offline if you think this is a bad idea | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we have hit the hour | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dont forget the etherpad for choosing a new name: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gbp-rename-proposals | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will continue in the IRC next week | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and on #openstack-gbp in the meanwhile | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 19:01:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-25-18.03.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-25-18.03.txt | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-25-18.03.log.html | 19:01 |
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| megm | Hi, Shamail! | 20:01 |
| Shamail | Hi megm! | 20:01 |
| megm | How are you? Is your life calming down any? | 20:01 |
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| Shamail | I'm doing well, no sign of calming down yet but I do this to myself. :) | 20:01 |
| Shamail | How are you doing? | 20:02 |
| megm | ;-) | 20:02 |
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| megm | I'm doing okay, thanks | 20:02 |
| Shamail | good to hear | 20:02 |
| megm | Anyone else here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:02 |
| Shamail | If it's just us then it will be a short meeting, lol. | 20:03 |
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| megm | Yup, we can just assign action items to everyone else, right? ;-) | 20:03 |
| megm | May as well begin... | 20:03 |
| megm | #startmeeting | 20:03 |
| openstack | megm: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:03 |
| megm | #startmeeting HA Guide | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 20:04:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is megm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA Guide)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:04 |
| Shamail | :) | 20:04 |
| megm | #topic review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:05 |
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| megm | Hello, yamamoto. Are you here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:05 |
| megm | Shamail, we may as well start with the "storage" topics, where you own the "big picture" | 20:06 |
| Shamail | Looks like a fair amount more of the items have merged | 20:06 |
| megm | Yes, it was an active weekend ;-) | 20:06 |
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| megm | The current build of the merged docs is at http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/index.html | 20:07 |
| Shamail | No updates on the storage front from me. I was planning to spend time this week but was unable to do so. I will most likely move forward with doing micro-updates to start making progress | 20:07 |
| Shamail | You will be working on this section too right? | 20:07 |
| megm | Sounds like a plan. | 20:08 |
| Shamail | If so, I can put together an outline and send it to you for review (that way we agree on what needs to be covered) | 20:08 |
| megm | Yes, I'm available for anything. For storage, I put myself down as the writer and you as the brains ;-) | 20:08 |
| Shamail | I can then begin filling out the topics in the outline one by one | 20:08 |
| megm | Excellent! | 20:08 |
| Shamail | Sounds like a plan! | 20:09 |
| megm | Are all of the storage projects only in active/passive ha mode still or have some become active/active? | 20:09 |
| Shamail | A/P still due to the lowest layer (the service itself) | 20:09 |
| Shamail | I will double-check but that is my understanding as of Kilo | 20:09 |
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| megm | #action shamail outline work packages for storage sections | 20:09 |
| megm | shamail, the doc I am converting is all active/passive so may be close to accurate. | 20:10 |
| megm | It's a bit sparse in some areas, however. | 20:10 |
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| Shamail | Nice. Yeah, I do recall thinking that when walking through it | 20:10 |
| megm | krtaylor, are you here for the ha-guide meeting? | 20:11 |
| Shamail | We still need the net-new section for "Storage Backends" too | 20:11 |
| megm | Yes, "Storage Backends" needs a lot of work -- do you want a separate action item for that? | 20:11 |
| megm | shamail, I hope to have the Block Storage section converted today (or tonight). | 20:13 |
| Shamail | Great | 20:13 |
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| megm | Radek isn't here but I think he has an eye on the Controller pieces. I suspect we need more resources to help do the work but at least they have a guardian | 20:14 |
| megm | I'm concerned about some areas that do not have any resourcing, like Nova and Heat. | 20:14 |
| megm | Trove and Sahara are lower priority. | 20:14 |
| megm | So is there anything else we can address with just the two of us today? | 20:16 |
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| megm | Shamail, ping? | 20:17 |
| Shamail | blah sorry | 20:17 |
| Shamail | The areas without resources, can we capture them and send an email to the Documentation ML? | 20:18 |
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| Shamail | Maybe we could get some writers with expertise in those areas to help out | 20:18 |
| megm | Is that how it is done? | 20:18 |
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| Shamail | That's one of the ways. We could send an update on the HA Guide activity and just state where we could use help. I know Matt sent out an email earlier last week but that was a generic call for help. | 20:19 |
| megm | I think Matt and Nick expected to provide some resourcing from percona and mirantis -- I'm going to give them an action for that | 20:19 |
| Shamail | We might get a focused response if we identify a few gap areas in the actual email too | 20:19 |
| Shamail | That's a good idea | 20:19 |
| megm | #action mattgriffin Identify resources available | 20:19 |
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| megm | #action nickchase identify resources available | 20:20 |
| Shamail | That's all I had | 20:20 |
| megm | #action mattgriffin send email to doc mailing list requesting resources, especially for nova and heat | 20:20 |
| megm | shamail, good point about asking for specific help. | 20:21 |
| Shamail | Thanks for chairing. | 20:21 |
| megm | #action radek identify resources needed for controller topics | 20:22 |
| megm | Thanks for the cheat sheet ;-) | 20:22 |
| megm | So are we done? Anyone else have anything to say/ask/contribute? | 20:22 |
| megm | I guess we're done -- have a great week! | 20:22 |
| megm | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 20:22:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-25-20.04.html | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-25-20.04.txt | 20:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-25-20.04.log.html | 20:23 |
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| megm | shamail.... It happens. I think we covered all we could | 20:42 |
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