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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hi | 14:01 |
| esikachev | hi! | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:01 |
| kchen | o/ | 14:01 |
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| tmckay | hola | 14:01 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 14:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| alazarev | o/ | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've no updates here since I've been focused on other things | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | But I guess not much has changed form the last meeting | 14:02 |
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| vgridnev | Event log change still on review, that is sad | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, do you probably know anything about moving sahara dashboard to contrib dir in horizon? | 14:02 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: =( | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | Template editing changes still on review == sadd | 14:03 |
| crobertsrh | I haven't added any new UI patches recently, been working more on service side of things. | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: haven't seen any movement there | 14:03 |
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| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, any movements in other projects? | 14:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | looks like no | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara was just enabled for horizon integration tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192645/ | 14:05 |
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| tosky | oh, merged, nice; I missed the commit message | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: does that mean that we can have fake plugin tests | 14:06 |
| tosky | (another review will reenable the horizon integration tests as voting) | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, hm, I think so | 14:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I mean make UI create a cluster with a fake plugins an check that all panels, configs, etc are in place | 14:06 |
| tosky | NikitaKonovalov: I though Horizon integration tests are for full deployment | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, tosky I think it should be possible now | 14:07 |
| kchen | We have registered a bp to integrate manila and sahara in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/edp-manila-hdfs. We are working on the spec. | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/test/integration_tests/tests/test_sahara_job_binaries.py | 14:07 |
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| kchen | Hope we can have a spec by the next week | 14:08 |
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| tmckay | kchen, excellent | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | job_binaries are quite standard == easy to test | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | clusters should be more interesting | 14:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, yeah, but seems like no difference if we have full devstack install | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else re sahara@horizon? | 14:10 |
| crobertsrh | nothing I can think of | 14:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's move on | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I've been working on refactoring of sahara.utils module. There are too many things now some of which are required by provisioning plugins and some not | 14:11 |
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| elmiko | i was out part of last week and at spark summit this week. i have talked with apavlov about the keystone sessions, i think we are close to a spec for that. also i've been investigating using gabbi to fuzz test a live sahara server. also, lots of cool stuff at spark summit, i think we need to improve our spark support =) | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | Finished work with recommendations provider, really need for review some my changes | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | I've been doing a little experimental work getting a Spark 1.3 cluster up and running the Zeppelin notebook stuff on top of the cluster. Looks promising so far. | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Vitaly+Gridnev%22+status:open,n,z | 14:12 |
| sreshetnyak | I'm working on HDP 2.2 plugin | 14:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | So the idea is to move the code from utils to where it's actually needed so the sahara-plugins split will be easier | 14:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, at least in theory, if we'll agree to do it :) | 14:13 |
| esikachev | i'm working on custom scenarios | 14:13 |
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| tmckay | reviewing/testing egafford's job interface mapping, I think it's almost ready for a +2 from me | 14:13 |
| huichun | working on scheduler and recurrence edp job | 14:13 |
| tmckay | looks good | 14:13 |
| alazarev | I'm trying to test hadoop performance with disks attached directly to VM via cinder driver | 14:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like time to move on | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Liberty-1 | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-1 (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:16 | |
| tmckay | maybe for open topics, but I think someone needs to work on hdp plugin ci tests (if not already) or we should move them to non-voting for now. They break too often, and HWX is not here to fix them :) | 14:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have a liberty-1 next week | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, esikachev working on CI failures now | 14:16 |
| tmckay | yay! thanks | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Liberty-1 next | 14:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 14:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info Liberty-1 next week (Jun 23-25) | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Liberty release tag for sahara will be 3.0.0 | 14:18 |
| elmiko | neat | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, Liberty-1 is 3.0.0b1 | 14:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the Sahara changes was applyed already in I6a35fa0dda798fad93b804d00a46af80f08d475c | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm now working on doing the same for the rest repos | 14:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, note that epoch should be increased :) | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions about it? | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Next client releases | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next client releases (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like all of you to think about all potential changes to client that should be done in Liberty | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | especcially new features addition | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'd like to make a release schedule for the client | 14:21 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, why do we need release schedule for it? | 14:21 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, usually it is shipped when needed | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | note: we should have final "feature" release of client by liberty-3 | 14:22 |
| crobertsrh | I have at least 2 client changes that will be needed, for editing data sources and job binaries. | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, it's needed for us | 14:22 |
| vgridnev | at least one change with auto-configuration parameter to client | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | i would like to add storm job submission on the client | 14:22 |
| tmckay | I have one tiny one that tosky noted. default templates should be marked somehow in the template list output | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are two main issues I'd like to solve by listing needed client features - not miss any of them in official Liberty client and decrease latency of releasing new features | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | and also if multiple clusters creation enters I would have to implement on the client as well (if we use a new api call) | 14:23 |
| egafford | Interface field on both job and job template need to get into the client as well. | 14:23 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, will it be different comparing to the other jobs? | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | no | 14:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | i have to take a look to see if any changes are needed | 14:24 |
| tmckay | sounds like we need an etherpad for this (did I miss one above?) | 14:24 |
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| alazarev | tmckay, +1 | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-client | 14:25 |
| tmckay | yay! good work SergeyLukjanov. Fast too :) | 14:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Please, add links to the specs / CRs, put your name to have a contact, if you have an idea, when the patch will be ready, put the date as well. | 14:26 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-client | 14:26 |
| elmiko | just for the logs =) | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I've been creating it in time when you write the idea :) | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, thx | 14:26 |
| tmckay | parallel, excellent | 14:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah, like a hadoop :) | 14:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, it'll help a lot to plan client release and merge all of the stuff in time | 14:27 |
| tmckay | We Are a Cluster | 14:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yay! | 14:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll write a follow-up to mailing list as well | 14:27 |
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| tmckay | all, make sure you actually create the bug/spec/bp if you put ( words ) on the etherpad! | 14:28 |
| tmckay | I'll do mine today | 14:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | random idea: do we probably want to make a saharaclient-core group with all sahara-cores plus someone else? | 14:28 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: is it a different group in gerrit? | 14:29 |
| tmckay | hmmm, do other projects do this? | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, swift already doing it | 14:29 |
| crobertsrh | My first instinct is that It seems like it might be overkill | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, probably someone else | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ++ | 14:29 |
| elmiko | yea, kinda agree with crobertsrh | 14:29 |
| tmckay | what about combined client? will python-saharaclient go away eventually? | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it could be helpful if will have someone very active in client | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not the case right now | 14:30 |
| tosky | tmckay: the CLI client could go away, but not the library | 14:30 |
| tmckay | I think we only have a few client changes per cycle, not too bad | 14:30 |
| tmckay | gotcha | 14:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, its python part still needed, it's only about combined CLI | 14:30 |
| egafford | Agreed that it seems like overkill. | 14:30 |
| tmckay | so I hear -1 | 14:30 |
| tosky | ("client" is a bit overloaded word in OpenStack, unfortunately) | 14:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 14:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed no need for the separate saharaclient core group | 14:31 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, btw, I was going to jam through those spec approvals today | 14:31 |
| tmckay | everyone has had more than enough time to comment :) | 14:31 |
| crobertsrh | great | 14:31 |
| tmckay | if someone has a big issue, they can re-open as a CR | 14:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Hadoop 1 drop | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hadoop 1 drop (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:32 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to chat about it again | 14:32 |
| tmckay | poor hadoop 1 | 14:32 |
| tosky | question: vanilla is the first, and then it will be for all other plugins, or is it up to each plugin "maintainer"? | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there were no requests for the hadoop 1 for the whole sahara life (even when it was savanna, eho, etc) | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, HDP plugin is now maintained by community | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | due to the lack of HWX support | 14:33 |
| huichun | so we won't support hadoop1? | 14:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, do you need it? :) | 14:33 |
| huichun | need not | 14:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | my reasoning for it - not to support the obsolete thing, it requires CIs, images, etc. | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but noone asking for it | 14:34 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:35 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: HDP1 has been a repeat offender in terms of failing all the CI jobs, as well. | 14:35 |
| tmckay | so do we need a deprecation cycle? | 14:35 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: is also Mapr 3.1.1 based on Hadoop 2? | 14:35 |
| tmckay | deprecated for L, removed in "M"onster | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, probably not for the Hadoop 1 | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not sure that we should keep them while noone using them | 14:36 |
| elmiko | yea, makes no sense to keep it if there have been no requests for it. | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | even apache has lost a bit of interest in hadoop 1 | 14:36 |
| tmckay | truth is, plugin SPI is relatively stable, wouldn't be hard for someone to maintain out-of-tree if they really wanted to | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, correct | 14:37 |
| egafford | tmckay: From a customer perspective, everyone's on 2. For enthusiasts, less sure; there could be someone out there running Hadoop 1 on Sahara in his/her basement who'd be very angry at us. | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, if we'll be going to extract plugins, it'll be additional work | 14:37 |
| elmiko | egafford: lol | 14:37 |
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| tmckay | egafford, they always have Kiko | 14:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | plus sreshetnyak is now working on the HDP plugin rework and we'll be able to drop current HDP plugin as well | 14:37 |
| tmckay | ack. I have no problem with it | 14:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and Liberty will be shipped to customers like early next year, so, I think it's pretty safe :) | 14:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, have you already created Hadoop 1 drop spec? | 14:38 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yes | 14:38 |
| tmckay | plus it makes the gate faster ++ | 14:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, exactly! | 14:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192563/ | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we could discuss it offline in spec | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it sounds like we have partial agreement on dropping hadoop 1 | 14:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | at least no users here ;) | 14:40 |
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| tmckay | we can always send an email about it to openstack-dev and see if anyone screams | 14:40 |
| tmckay | Like a doctor saying "Does this hurt?" | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah | 14:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:40 |
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| tmckay | then we can prescribe Hadoop 2 as the cure | 14:40 |
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| elmiko | has anyone talked with the cognitive team? | 14:41 |
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| elmiko | to find out what it is they are putting together? | 14:41 |
| tmckay | good question. channel is kind of quiet | 14:41 |
| tmckay | (by kind of, I mean totally) | 14:41 |
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| tosky | oh, I have a question about unit tests | 14:41 |
| tosky | quick copy&paste coming :) | 14:41 |
| tosky | we have a global dependency on testtools>=0.9.6, but some unit test implicitely depends on newer versions | 14:41 |
| tosky | for example, I've seen usage of assertRegex which works only with testtools>=1.2 (thanks to unittest2); and other stuff like that | 14:42 |
| tosky | should we consider these usages as wrong and file bugs for them? Otherwise the global requirements have no meanings | 14:42 |
| tosky | It's not a problem on the gates because they test only the last version of deps (so testtools 1.8) | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | i have a question about the multiple clusters spec. sreshetnyak talked to me this week suggesting that i created a new api call, clusters/multiple, this way we keep compatibility and we dont to wait until API v2 to have this feature in | 14:43 |
| tmckay | tosky, so shouldn't the global dep be moved past 0.9.6, if the gates use 1.8? | 14:43 |
| tellesnobrega | sorry tosky, kinda broke the thought there | 14:43 |
| tosky | tmckay: that's the other possibility, but I'm not sure how it works in that case | 14:44 |
| tosky | tmckay: maybe there are requirements from distributions; ubuntu has 0.9.6, we ship 1.1... | 14:44 |
| tosky | I have no idea | 14:44 |
| tmckay | I see | 14:44 |
| elmiko | tosky: maybe talk with the infra team to learn a little more about global reqs and why it's at 0.9.6? | 14:44 |
| elmiko | otherwise, yea bugs would be good | 14:45 |
| tosky | it would be worth to check, but maybe SergeyLukjanov knows something with his infra hat | 14:45 |
| tosky | or at least, who can we talk about for this? | 14:45 |
| tmckay | tosky, well, technically, it's not bounded. It doesn't say >= 0.9.6, < XXXX | 14:45 |
| tmckay | so, it's not really a bug per se. I see your point, though | 14:45 |
| tosky | tmckay: it is a bug, IMHO; it's not working with a supported version | 14:46 |
| tmckay | I think we need to fix the global req. bump it up, or bound it, or everything is okay | 14:46 |
| elmiko | guess it depends how each distro satisfies those reqs | 14:46 |
| tosky | so either you raise the dependency or you fix the code | 14:46 |
| elmiko | tosky: +1 | 14:46 |
| tmckay | yeah, I think investigate moving the version in the global req, and if it can't be moved, then bound it, and find bugs | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, I'm return back :) | 14:47 |
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| pino|work | (imho the global requirements.txt that everybody must take is a sort of annoyance) | 14:47 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, lots of talk about infra stuff ^^ | 14:48 |
| elmiko | pino|work: necessary evil i suppose ;) | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, IMO it's good to bump testtools version | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, there were the same input from heat team | 14:48 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: yep, they have a similar issues in their unit tests | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | there are already one bump patch for testtools | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192574/ | 14:48 |
| tosky | that's what my grep says :) | 14:48 |
| tosky | oh, from yesterday | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in fact, we should be able to work on a min version | 14:49 |
| tosky | if the dependency is raised, will this be backported to kilo? | 14:49 |
| tosky | because also kilo is affected | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but, the specific solution for it now is better to bump min version | 14:49 |
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| elmiko | if we can bump, that seems like the ideal | 14:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's review and +1/2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192574/ | 14:50 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 14:50 |
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| elmiko | tellesnobrega: i think adding new endpoints to v1.1 is fine with regards to v2. v2 will be more about improving the api and perhaps breaking some bad patterns from the past. | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | sure | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | anyone opposes to that? | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | i'm going to rewrite the spec detailing that i'm going to add a new call to the API | 14:52 |
| tellesnobrega | also going to write the spec for the saharaclient | 14:52 |
| elmiko | tellesnobrega: sounds good | 14:53 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: have you talked with the cognitive team at all? (i'm curious what kind of overlap we might have with them) | 14:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, (trying to remember what is cognitive) | 14:53 |
| elmiko | MLaaS | 14:54 |
| elmiko | i'm wondering if they are going to deploy spark or something | 14:54 |
| tmckay | (mailing lists as a service) | 14:54 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:54 |
| tellesnobrega | tmckay, thats what i read | 14:54 |
| tellesnobrega | lol | 14:54 |
| elmiko | MachineLearning-aas | 14:54 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, we could just start posting stuff in the channel | 14:55 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm just curious if anyone has talked to them yet. that will be the next step, but i have too much on my plate already ;) | 14:56 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: fyi https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cognitive | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I remeber there were an email about it | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I answered something like folks, please, don't duplicate :) | 14:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's good if they will use sahara as a base | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for example to provisioning cluster for ML | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | yea, that would be awesome | 14:58 |
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| tmckay | wow, we used the whole meeting | 14:59 |
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| tellesnobrega | the same with happened with the project Surge (stream processing on openstack) | 15:00 |
| elmiko | interesting... | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi, L3 meeting scheduled for now. | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | i guess our time is up | 15:01 |
| tmckay | yep, we have to leave | 15:01 |
| kchen | bye all | 15:01 |
| elmiko | carl_baldwin: sorry | 15:01 |
| huichun | bye | 15:01 |
| esikachev | bye | 15:01 |
| tellesnobrega | bye | 15:01 |
| elmiko | just need SergeyLukjanov to #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | elmiko: thanks! | 15:01 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | carl_baldwin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:02 |
| tmckay | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, thought I saw endmeeting already. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 15:02:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-18-14.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-18-14.01.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-18-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
| regXboi | tmckay: thanks! | 15:02 |
| elmiko | thanks tmckay | 15:02 |
| tmckay | wow, it let me do it! | 15:02 |
| tmckay | :) | 15:02 |
| tmckay | bye | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 15:02:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
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| regXboi | #info regXboi (Ryan Moats) | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: as promised/threatened :) | 15:03 |
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| ramanjaneya_ | Hi carl | 15:03 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:03 |
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| yamahata | hello | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d like to welcome haleyb as our first core focusing on the L3 area. | 15:03 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:03 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:03 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:04 |
| pc_m | Yay! | 15:04 |
| yamamoto | haleyb: congrats | 15:04 |
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| johnbelamaric | haleyb: welcome, congrats | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, congratulations! | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | The Neutron mid-cycle is next week in Fort Collins. I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible. | 15:04 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: looks like I can make it now :) | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: great | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:05 |
| haleyb | thanks, i look forward to helping out more | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, Liberty-1 is next week too. | 15:05 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: is there any change the mid-cycle will have an IRC channel or way for remotes to get involved? | 15:05 |
| regXboi | s/change/chance/ | 15:05 |
| mohankumar | Hi | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: mestery has put a note at the bottom of the etherpad. | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: thanx, I see that - will bug mestery (I'm good at that) | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks to mlavalle for helping us to stay on top of the bugs with the l3-ipam-dhcp tag | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: :-) | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Our bug list is shrinking. That is good. Just in time to write some more. ;) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Routing Network Segments | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | This is the hot topic for today, I think. | 15:08 |
| regXboi | :) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | So, where do we start? I guess I could get a couple of links. | 15:09 |
| regXboi | always good for the minutes :) | 15:09 |
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| HenryG | I am a bit out of the loop on this. Is it intended to cover all the various segmentation strategies that the operators are mentioning (no two seem to be the same)? | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1458890 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ this is the rfe | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: I guess that is what we’re here to discuss. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172244/ | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | ^ This is the spec that I wrote with a similar network segments concept. | 15:11 |
| regXboi | I guess the first question is whether the spec covres the rfe? | 15:11 |
| * HenryG pings baoli to pay attention because he was asking about this | 15:12 | |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Not entirely. The spec is written for a different use case. However, it does introduce network segments which map to a given set of hosts. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I believe that the network segment idea could be shared between the two. | 15:13 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I think I saw a comment from you that the spec was at best partial coverage because of that (am I remembering correctly)? | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Beyond network segments, the rfe talks about some Nova work to pass a segment id when creating a port and then using IP usage information in scheduling. | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Yes, just to be clear: The spec does not completely cover the use case in the rfe. | 15:14 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: a concern - how would this rfe interact with the multiple provider extension? | 15:14 |
| * regXboi worries about overloading the segment concept | 15:15 | |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Good point, it did not cross my mind yet. | 15:15 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I would like to think that we could start from that point, although it risks conflating physical segmentation with the rfe, which wants to include logical segmenation | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Right, I think it is worth some of my time to reconcile these with multiple provider extension. | 15:17 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: I'd be willing to pitch some cycles there as well | 15:17 |
| regXboi | because I think it might be possible to pull all three (mpe, rfe, backing networks) together | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: I think you’re right. At least find the commonality and use it to build a good base for the rfe and routing network segments to build from. | 15:19 |
| pc_m | regXboi: Any links to info on the multiple provider extension? | 15:19 |
| regXboi | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-networking-v2-ext.html | 15:20 |
| * pc_m trying to come up to speed on this | 15:20 | |
| pc_m | regXboi: Thanks! | 15:20 |
| regXboi | pc_m: yw | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Under “Networks multiple provider extension” | 15:20 |
| pc_m | yeah found it. thanks. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Let’s do some homework today and maybe we could meet in the neutron room tomorrow at some time for a discussion. | 15:21 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: sounds like a plan - I'll check my calendar and hit you with some times I can be there | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Great. Anyone else want to be notified of the time? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | If so, ping regXboi | 15:22 |
| pc_m | sure | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. Anything else on network segments that we should hit today? | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | I plan to attend the LDT meeting after this meeting. We may mention it there too. | 15:24 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: feel free to let folks there know to ping me for notification about tomorrow's times | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: I will. | 15:24 |
| regXboi | :) | 15:24 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: What channel? | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: LDT? | 15:25 |
| pc_m | for the LDT meeting | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/LDT | 15:25 |
| pc_m | thx | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: ping | 15:26 |
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| tidwellr | hey | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | How are we doing here? | 15:26 |
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| devvesa | Hi. I think I log in time | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: You are here. Hi. Didn’t mean to miss you. | 15:27 |
| tidwellr | I think we're in good shape . I'm working on another patch set for the API/DB layer. I'm taking the time to do API tests as I go. | 15:27 |
| devvesa | Oh, just logged now :) | 15:27 |
| devvesa | Sorry | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Are all of the patches on a topic we could like to here? | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Good timing. | 15:28 |
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| tidwellr | bp/bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing,n,z | 15:29 |
| regXboi | tidwellr, carl_baldwin: is there a plan for incorporating these tests into the gate? | 15:30 |
| regXboi | I ask because I suspect the LDR folks will want to tune that test for their specific deployments | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | yes, that needs to be done, not sure how to start though | 15:30 |
| regXboi | (sorry LDT, not LDR) or is the plan to have that in 3P/CI testing so that each LDT can tune it as needed? | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | I've a little myopic about just getting tests running in my environment, but my intention is to have a CI job for BGP | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | could use a little help there...... | 15:32 |
| regXboi | tidwellr: unfortunately, I'm not sure I can commit to that, but let me look around and see if I can scare up some help... | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, let’s hit the reviews and keep our eye on building tests for the gate. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else for this topic? | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:34 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:35 |
| tidwellr | not from me, devvesa? | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: great work on breaking up the large review. It is a lot easier to review now. It is nice to have check-points along the way. | 15:36 |
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| devvesa | neither. Just waiting your next patch, tidwellr :) | 15:36 |
| pavel_bondar | I have created 3 more review today:) | 15:36 |
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| pavel_bondar | next review in chain to be merged is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189299/ | 15:36 |
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| pavel_bondar | and 6 more reviews are on top of that | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: nice, lots of work but I think it is much easier this way | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: This one is looking pretty good. | 15:38 |
| pavel_bondar | johnbelamaric: agree | 15:38 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: nice | 15:38 |
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| pavel_bondar | I can post full review chain into IRC if needed | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | So, we just keep going. Reviewers can start with this^ and follow the chain. | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Probably not needed. | 15:39 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: ok | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything to discuss? | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic ML3 Router plugin | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyone here to give a report on this? | 15:40 |
| yamahata | Hello. | 15:40 |
| yamahata | So far we gathered the use cases in etherpad | 15:40 |
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| yamahata | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-modular-l3-router-plugin-use-cases | 15:40 |
| yamahata | They are for requirement. | 15:41 |
| yamahata | So the next step is to define operation scenario in order to define desired API or CLI operations | 15:41 |
| yamahata | pcarver: ping? | 15:42 |
| regXboi | yamahata: Use Case #4 looks very close to service chaining - is that intentional? | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | These look good. | 15:42 |
| yamahata | regXboi: Yeah. the difference is that the service is on edge. | 15:42 |
| yamahata | If SFC supports it, it's quite fine with it. | 15:42 |
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| yamahata | Deployer may think SFC is overkill. they may want more simpler way to just deploy single function. | 15:43 |
| regXboi | yamahata: got it - but I need to go off and think about whether you've just created an SFC implementation unintenionally | 15:43 |
| regXboi | yamahata: I'm not saying that's a bad thing | 15:44 |
| * regXboi needs to think about the implications | 15:44 | |
| yamahata | regXboi: I don't want to reinvent SFC. | 15:44 |
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| yamahata | pcarver doesn't seem here. Contact him off line. | 15:45 |
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| regXboi | yamahata: understood, like I said, let me think about the implications | 15:45 |
| yamahata | regXboi: sure. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: How do we go about the next step? | 15:45 |
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| yamahata | I'll write up a draft for desired operation scenario. then get review. | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Sounds like a plan. | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic dns-resolution | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ping | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | Kiall helped us to respond to the concerns in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623 | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | I was looking at those this morning. | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | He added a comment yesterday. I'll update the spec today | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | He also wrote the discussion in vancouver to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/, so it is looking good | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | The nova side https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/ was refreshed by me laste last week andgot a +1. Will follow up with johnthetubaguy to get it reviewed by him | 15:49 |
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| regXboi | mlavalle: I assume you are looking for reviews on updated 88623 and 88624? | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | And I am already coding for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623 | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | regXboi: yes | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Good progress. | 15:50 |
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| regXboi | mlavalle: thx | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | I should push WIP patchset soon | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | Kial comments to 88623 change code a bit, but not much. | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I look forward to seeing it. Ping at least haleyb and me for reviews. And, anyone else interested. | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | will do | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Address Scopes | 15:52 |
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| * mlavalle looking forward to get review from our brand new core :-) | 15:52 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I added an update to the BP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192914/ | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Otherwise, I’m coding now and hope to have things working on the L3 agent side in a couple of days. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | The address scope crud work has also started. | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189741/ | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Vikram is still on vacation but should return soon. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189741/ | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic IPv6 | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything here? I know I’ve been neglecting the PD reviews. I’ve been trying to get to it and will soon. | 15:55 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Thanks, I know it’s a big patch! | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | In general, this needs more reviewer attention. Not just from cores. I’d like to see it start to build some consensus with multiple +1s. | 15:57 |
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| * haleyb needs to re-review the PD changes as well | 15:58 | |
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| john-davidge | Here’s the first PD patch in the chain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697 | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | How can we get more attention on this from the community? | 15:59 |
| john-davidge | The second is currently in merge conflict with the ongoing db_plugin_v2 decomp work | 15:59 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Reviews keeping it near the top of the list will help, otherwise I could spam the mailing list with demo videos :) | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess our time is up. | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | We can take stuff to the neutron room. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 16:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-18-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-18-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
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| yamamoto | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-18-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
| pc_m | bye | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 16:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| yamahata | bye | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| salv-orl-mobile | Aloha | 16:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
| jaypipes | .....0...../ | 16:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 16:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | hi | 16:01 |
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| * jaypipes comes running in... | 16:01 | |
| etoews | o/ | 16:01 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:01 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: lol | 16:01 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: thought you had long arms :) | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | lots of stuff on the agenda today | 16:01 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no, I just tripped running to the meeting,. | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | let's give folks a minute or two | 16:03 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure on the freshness of our action item list, we'll see | 16:03 |
| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
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| sdague | o/ | 16:04 |
| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-04-16.00.html | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i did both of mine | 16:05 |
| elmiko | looks like the rest were between cdent and sdague, you guys wanna give updates? | 16:05 |
| sdague | elmiko: I did a pretty detailed review of the artifacts api in glance, I haven't looked at their follow up | 16:05 |
| elmiko | sdague: awesome! | 16:05 |
| cdent | sdague and I made some comments on the glance api proposal. It felt a bit like a pileon but I think the input from everyone was useful. | 16:05 |
| sdague | I'm assuming our reviews of other project APIs are advisory, as in "we think this would be a better way to do it, but it's your API" | 16:06 |
| etoews | cdent: what's the sentiment on the api wg reviews? | 16:06 |
| elmiko | i certainly hope it's taken that way | 16:06 |
| sdague | I don't think I scored my review for that reason | 16:06 |
| sdague | this was the revision everyone pretty much reviewed - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177397/3/specs/liberty/artifacts-api.rst,cm | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 16:07 |
| cdent | etoews: I haven't been able to get guage on reactions | 16:07 |
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| sdague | yeh, there hasn't been an update yet to the review, so I don't know | 16:08 |
| etoews | hmmm...zero replies to the comments. | 16:08 |
| sdague | jaypipes you are a little closer to that team, any idea on how they are feeling about it? | 16:08 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: they will align with the API WG guidelines.\ | 16:08 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:08 |
| jaypipes | sdague: they've already stated as much. will have to align ex post facto, since they merged already, but they will align. | 16:09 |
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| sdague | oh, the API is already merged? | 16:09 |
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| etoews | mclaren and nikhil_k are the CPLs for glance | 16:10 |
| jaypipes | sdague: some of it is, yes, AFAIK. | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | do we have an action here, or just wait and see what happens with the review? | 16:11 |
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| etoews | i think we're in wait and see mode at the moment | 16:11 |
| elmiko | k | 16:11 |
| cdent | the other action I had was about changes-since: I dropped a question on the filtering spec about changes-since and got the expected reply: that something more generic is probably the right way to go and in any case whatever it is, not on that spec | 16:12 |
| cdent | so the question remains: do we want (and if we do who wants to) to formalize a mode of doing changes-since across all collection apis? | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | hi | 16:13 |
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| etoews | cdent: how many apis is changes-since in? only nova comes to my mind. | 16:13 |
| stevelle | glance also | 16:13 |
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| stevelle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192926/ is relevant to this topic | 16:14 |
| jaypipes | glance does. | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: by "changes-since" you mean give me the list of entities that were modified since a given date, correct? | 16:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: believe so | 16:14 |
| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: yup. | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | then this is a query on the last_modified field | 16:14 |
| jaypipes | doens't Ceilo also have that? | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | why can't we treat it as a regular query then? | 16:14 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: as I understand it, yes, but I get the impression that changes-since has somewhat more magical semantics than modified_time>somedate? | 16:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | don't know, what's special about it? | 16:15 |
| cdent | so the underlying question is: what are those magical semantics? | 16:15 |
| jaypipes | cdent: nope, that's pretty much the extent of it :) | 16:15 |
| stevelle | cdent: speaking only of glance V1, it's magic was to include deleted rows | 16:15 |
| cdent | that's quite magic if they are _actually_ deleted :) | 16:15 |
| jaypipes | ah | 16:15 |
| jaypipes | cdent: welcome to the world of soft-delete. | 16:15 |
| stevelle | for V2 glance that is to be supported via a status field filter | 16:16 |
| sdague | cdent: welcome to the world of soft-deletes | 16:16 |
| sdague | jaypipes: jinx | 16:16 |
| jaypipes | ha! | 16:16 |
| cdent | isn't there a wiki page about changes since somewhere? | 16:16 |
| * cdent looks | 16:16 | |
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| cdent | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/v2/polling_changes-since_parameter.html | 16:16 |
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| cdent | yeah, looks like nova also has some attention to things recently deleted as well | 16:16 |
| cdent | so presumably a simple attribute query would not have that? | 16:17 |
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| miguelgrinberg | you could ask for the last_modified *and* a state=active,deleted,whatever-else | 16:18 |
| cdent | thus the magic of changes-since...do we as a group care to enshrine that? | 16:18 |
| miguelgrinberg | so we do it without magic | 16:18 |
| sdague | cdent: honestly, I think what a project decides it wants to return should be fine | 16:18 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I do not care to enshrine anything "magic" in our APIs, no. | 16:18 |
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| cdent | I'm cool with that. Prefer it in fact. | 16:18 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: i like that approach, seems more explicit | 16:19 |
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| sdague | I kind of like it as a more abstract changes-since concept that would be common accross projects | 16:19 |
| Ericn | magic changes over time.... | 16:19 |
| stevelle | miguelgrinberg: yes, exactly | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | sdague: as in "projects should implement changes-since"? | 16:19 |
| cdent | right on, good, this is the right outcome: filter with a combined query is more sensible | 16:19 |
| cdent | and comprehensible too | 16:19 |
| sdague | sigmavirus24: on resources that you expect to be polled, we recommend you implement this | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | isn't there only two states for the magic switch to be set to in OpenStack? "magic" and "more magic"? | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | sdague: that seems reasonable | 16:20 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: lol | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | s/isn't/aren't/ | 16:20 |
| edleafe | sdague: +1 | 16:20 |
| sdague | because as a consumer having to know all the states I'm looking for explicitly is weird | 16:20 |
| sdague | I really semantically just want "tell me your changes" | 16:20 |
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| sigmavirus24 | "gimme your deltas" | 16:20 |
| sdague | right | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | (The new motto for Pull Requests as a Service) | 16:20 |
| Ericn | it is up to the server to decide what is a valid change | 16:21 |
| sdague | and sure, it's a little less explicit, but it's really understandable from a consumer point of view | 16:21 |
| sdague | and the explicit filters might be there for those that care | 16:21 |
| stevelle | so changes-since is ?state=neq:deleted&updated_at=gt:<ISO8201> under the draft filter guidelines | 16:21 |
| stevelle | don't need to know the states | 16:21 |
| sdague | stevelle: well in glance and nova it includes deleted | 16:21 |
| stevelle | sdague: agreed | 16:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | it should include everything if you don't say what states you want, that makes sense to me | 16:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | but it should be consistent with other queries, IMHO | 16:22 |
| sdague | and if you do care about specific states, then you can ask about it | 16:22 |
| elmiko | sdague: wouldn't that just be ?updated_at=gt:<ISO8201> ? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | (following miguelgrinberg's state logic) | 16:23 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: including deleted by default seems weird | 16:23 |
| sdague | so, honestly, my feeling is that depending on the resource, returning deleted may or may not make sense, and the server probably knows better about that | 16:23 |
| cdent | (meant to have a ? on the end of that) | 16:23 |
| sdague | which is why I kind of like leaving that decision up to the implementation on a point basis with changes-since | 16:24 |
| miguelgrinberg | if there is a "deleted" state, then those entities need to be returned if the client didn't explicitly take them out | 16:24 |
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| stevelle | sdague: that inconsistency of expectation is exactly what makes me uncomfortable about changes-since | 16:24 |
| miguelgrinberg | don't like that idea of doing implicit filtering based on what query the client is requesting | 16:25 |
| sdague | we give clients the explicit filters | 16:25 |
| sdague | they can do that thing | 16:25 |
| etoews | we should probably move on from this in another minute or two. it can continue to be discussed in #openstack-api afterwards. | 16:25 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 | 16:25 |
| cdent | etoews++ | 16:25 |
| cdent | mabye a mailing list post | 16:25 |
| sdague | this is a value judgement call from the resource about "here's what we think you need" | 16:25 |
| sdague | sure | 16:25 |
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| cdent | each time I bring this up I'm always surprised at how much chat it generates | 16:26 |
| elmiko | #action start a mailing list thread about changes-since topic | 16:26 |
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| elmiko | moving on | 16:26 |
| edleafe | and what 'deleted | 16:26 |
| edleafe | ugh | 16:26 |
| etoews | elmiko: who's got that action? | 16:26 |
| edleafe | what 'deleted' means | 16:26 |
| elmiko | oops, good point | 16:26 |
| elmiko | cdent: you wanna start that thread? | 16:26 |
| cdent | Sure, as long as I'm allowed to be ignorant and hand wavey | 16:27 |
| elmiko | lol, of course ;) | 16:27 |
| elmiko | #action cdent start a mailing list thread about changes-since topic | 16:27 |
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| cdent | ✔ | 16:27 |
| elmiko | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:27 |
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| elmiko | etoews: i think this was from you? | 16:27 |
| etoews | yep | 16:27 |
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| etoews | so i really want to start up a weekly newsletter for the api wg ala "What's Up Doc?" | 16:28 |
| elmiko | a fine idea | 16:28 |
| etoews | summarize our activity weekly for better visibilty and information dissemination | 16:28 |
| cdent | a great idea, but where do people find the time? | 16:29 |
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| miguelgrinberg | can it be auto-generated from reviews,etc. At least part of it? | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i don't know much about the generation of "What's Up..", do they use a template or something? | 16:29 |
| etoews | cdent: find the time for what exactly? | 16:29 |
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| cdent | add yet another thing to do (like manage a newsletter) | 16:30 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: yep. i was thinking about auto-generating parts of it. | 16:30 |
| elmiko | etoews: would it mainly be advertising things in freeze and recently merged? | 16:30 |
| sdague | so, honestly, auto generated english basically gets deleted by people | 16:30 |
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| etoews | cdent: if i can nail down some automation with gerrit | 16:30 |
| etoews | that would make it much easier | 16:31 |
| sdague | if there is a desire to be effective, it should be manually currated and entertaining, and done less often | 16:31 |
| sdague | otherwise it's just spam | 16:31 |
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| etoews | sdague: i'd only be generate a "by the numbers" section | 16:31 |
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| elmiko | sdague: how frequently would you recommend? | 16:31 |
| etoews | the rest is manually currated and entertaining | 16:31 |
| sdague | so, weekly seems like pretty often | 16:31 |
| sdague | I'd be more inclined to say every 3 or 4 weeks | 16:32 |
| sdague | so that there is enough content in it | 16:32 |
| etoews | one of the reasons i was thinking weekly was that we could roll the "Guidelines ready for cross project review" into the newsletter | 16:32 |
| elmiko | sdague: that makes some sense and addresses cdent's comment | 16:32 |
| etoews | and the "Finalized guidelines" too | 16:32 |
| elmiko | etoews: but the entertaining content might suffer on a weekly release, ie might get bothersome after a few months. | 16:33 |
| cdent | etoews: guideliens ready is a call to action yes? | 16:33 |
| cdent | whereas the rest of it is kind of news and such | 16:33 |
| cdent | having those two in the same place is a way to ensure that the call to action isn't acted upon, unfortunately | 16:33 |
| etoews | cdent: yes | 16:33 |
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| cdent | I think as a starting point the best value for effort is to automate the call to action | 16:34 |
| * etoews ponders | 16:34 | |
| cdent | and see where that gets us | 16:34 |
| cdent | (people can always respond to that email if they want to gossip etc) | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i'm cool with that for a start, we need it anyway with all the guidelines that are coming | 16:34 |
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| etoews | yes. it's not easy to know what state the reviews are in at a glance. | 16:35 |
| etoews | okay. i'm willing to experiment a bit with this. | 16:36 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:36 |
| cdent | etoews++ | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | #action etoews experiment with creating a guideline status mailing list update | 16:36 |
| elmiko | sound good? | 16:36 |
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| etoews | more like "...a api wg mailing list update" | 16:37 |
| elmiko | will undo remove the last action? | 16:37 |
| etoews | but fine to leave as is | 16:37 |
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| etoews | does anyone have any experience working with the openstack gerrit api? | 16:38 |
| etoews | (let's discuss that after and move on) | 16:38 |
| elmiko | k | 16:38 |
| sdague | etoews: yeh, ping me in channel | 16:38 |
| elmiko | #topic merge the merge process? | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | i'm +1 on this, we got really solid and positive response after the initial ML post | 16:39 |
| elmiko | any objections? | 16:39 |
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| sdague | nope | 16:40 |
| etoews | i'll fix up the minor stuff in another patch. | 16:40 |
| elmiko | cool, +workflowed | 16:40 |
| etoews | i don't want disrupt the current green forest of +1s | 16:40 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:40 |
| etoews | elmiko: thx | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | so we have 3 that have been recommended for freeze, and 2 that need a re-review i think | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183694/ | 16:41 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177468/ | 16:41 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181931/ | 16:42 |
| cdent | +1 on freezing the candidate freezers | 16:42 |
| elmiko | those have all been put forward as freezeable | 16:42 |
| etoews | elmiko: btw, freeze means -1 on workflow. not -2 code review. | 16:42 |
| elmiko | ryanb isn't here, but i think 177468 might need another fix | 16:43 |
| elmiko | etoews: ack, i'll adjust my process. sorry bout that | 16:43 |
| etoews | np | 16:43 |
| etoews | jaypipes: can you respond to doug's comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179365/3/guidelines/http.rst ? | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | so, should we go another round of consensus on the 177468 review before moving to freeze? | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | (plus it needs a bug fix) | 16:44 |
| jaypipes | elmiko: yep, will do. | 16:44 |
| elmiko | #action jaypipes respond to comments on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179365/ | 16:45 |
| elmiko | is alex here? | 16:46 |
| cdent | Something I think we all need to be aware of is that as soon as any guideline is actually out there in the published world people are going to find all kinds of issues with it, so we may as well keep the process of publication as friction free as possible and instead insure that we have a robust process of post-merge review | 16:46 |
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| etoews | ping alex_xu | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | cdent: +1 | 16:46 |
| elmiko | i think alex_xu and bknudson were having a conversation on that one, needs some resolution | 16:47 |
| cdent | gerrit kind of works against reviewing existing stuff, but with narrative especially it is critical that we are constantly reviewing master | 16:47 |
| jaypipes | elmiko: done with that action item. | 16:47 |
| sdague | it's middle of the night for alex_xu | 16:47 |
| elmiko | jaypipes: lol, fast! | 16:47 |
| elmiko | ah ok | 16:47 |
| stevelle | fwiw 177468 has another fix in | 16:47 |
| elmiko | we'll push that one till next time | 16:47 |
| elmiko | stevelle: oh, very cool | 16:47 |
| elmiko | so, we'll freeze the 3 listed then. | 16:48 |
| etoews | if a guideline author does decide to do a minor type/fix and erase all of the +1s, how do we track the +1s from the previous patch set to know that it's okay to merge? | 16:48 |
| elmiko | etoews: man... that's a darn good question | 16:48 |
| sdague | etoews: all the comments are still there | 16:49 |
| etoews | but not the +1s AFAICT | 16:49 |
| sdague | the comments have the vote in them | 16:49 |
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| sdague | you can still read them | 16:49 |
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| etoews | ah. i see. | 16:50 |
| etoews | conceivably you could automate that (if the api supports it) | 16:50 |
| etoews | automate displaying the +1s of the previous patch set that is | 16:51 |
| etoews | let's move on | 16:51 |
| elmiko | etoews, jaypipes, does one of you want to freeze those reviews and make the ML announce? | 16:51 |
| jaypipes | etoews: feel free to freeze. | 16:51 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:51 |
| etoews | #action etoews to freeze the 3 review and announce on ML | 16:51 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:51 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:51 |
| elmiko | #topic APIImpact | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | sigmavirus24: you had a note here | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/191542/ | 16:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | oh sorry | 16:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | So that spec is mostly a security measure for glance | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | That said, it'll change change somethings about representations in the API | 16:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | If you look at L57 and ignore the untrimmed trailing whitespace | 16:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | You'll see what the proposal currently recommends, which I'm not convinced is actually correct, but there's some precedent for it (specifically how Amazon does this) | 16:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | I give some reasoning around L70 though that the API-WG should like so .. eh | 16:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | Mostly, I want feedback around the API Impact of the change | 16:55 |
| elmiko | does "Content-<algo>" give enough uniqueness to the header? | 16:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah that's my concern | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | Not sure I can think of a different way to do it though | 16:56 |
| elmiko | maybe just tack an OpenStack- on the front? | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | The most common variant of that is Content-MD5 | 16:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah but it's not really OpenStack specific | 16:57 |
| elmiko | ahh | 16:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Content-SHA256 shouldn't ever conflict with anything else | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | But maybe it will? | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | In reality, I'd expect either Content-SHA2 or Content-SHA256 for that header | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | make sense to me | 16:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | okay | 16:58 |
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| elmiko | 1 minute left, any last thoughts? | 16:58 |
| jaypipes | Beer. | 16:58 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:58 |
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| nikhil_k | the artifacts API in glance is EXPERIMENTAL for now | 16:59 |
| cdent | jaypipes: can you send me one please | 16:59 |
| jaypipes | nikhil_k: I am 100% opposed to experimental APIs. | 16:59 |
| nikhil_k | so that we can adjust variations suggested but not many | 16:59 |
| jaypipes | cdent: will do! :) | 16:59 |
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| sdague | yeh, experimental is useless construct. Once things are out in the world, they get used. | 16:59 |
| etoews | would beta be a better term? | 16:59 |
| nikhil_k | jaypipes: we are working on making it non-experimental this cycle (hopefully) | 16:59 |
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| elmiko | nikhil_k, jaypipes, we need to take this to openstack-api for further talk | 16:59 |
| jaypipes | nikhil_k: experimental APIs are a tried and true way of having nothing tried and true in your API. :) Trusst me, we tried that with Nova v3 | 16:59 |
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| elmiko | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 17:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| etoews | thx elmiko | 17:00 |
| sdague | etoews: no, if you put software out into the world, it either gets used and you can't change it, or it doesn't get used and there was no point | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 17:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | Todays agenda available here: | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:01 | |
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| muralia | o/ | 17:01 |
| fifieldt | unfortunately, it's 1am, so I can't stay :) | 17:01 |
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| datsun180b | <-- | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | ah yes, I know so late for you, sorry | 17:01 |
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| kebray | \o | 17:02 |
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| jlk | is this for the ops guide? | 17:02 |
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| devkulkarni | devkulkarni | 17:02 |
| datsun180b | jlk: app catalog | 17:02 |
| james_li | james li | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | jlk: this is for the app catalog http://apps.openstack.org | 17:02 |
| jlk | strange, maybe there was a conflict. | 17:02 |
| jproulx | I was also looking for ops guide | 17:02 |
| docaedo | Hmm, this merged without conflict, and didn't show anything else on the calendar? | 17:03 |
| kebray | jlk, maybe the ops meeting is an another hour? A lof of the time conversion websites are wrong. I tried to join the app-catalog meeting an hour ago. | 17:03 |
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| datsun180b | it's 1704Z by my clock | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | Moving on I think? sorry for confusion, I have 17:05 zulu on my clock too :) | 17:05 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #topic Announcements | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | Moving app catalog hosting to OpenStack infra complete as of 6/15: | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/187863 | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/189993 | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/187018 | 17:05 |
| docaedo | Regarding infra and hosting, changing the object store to community managed one (vs. current rackspace files location) is something I propose we discuss later, as it's not pressing. | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | We don't have a flood of incoming binaries to host ATM, and it's "on OpenStack" so not a rush - I will start a discussion on ML for how best to handle it going forward. | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | #action docaedo start ML discussion re: object store for app catalog | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | I also wanted to point out a few pending reviews for general openstack project housekeeping. If you want to review these, please do - they're basically ready to go AFAIK | 17:06 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/191990 (add site to cacti) | 17:06 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/190343 (enable IRC logging) | 17:06 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/191478 (mailing list) | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | That last one, the mailing list, relates to the "handling stale entries" topic that I was going to let Gosha lead but he's on vaca until next week, so we'll pick it up next week. | 17:07 |
| docaedo | Any other announcements? | 17:07 |
| docaedo | ok, guess not - moving on | 17:08 |
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| kebray | docaedo, just that we'd like to get Solum languagepacks avaialble on apps.openstack.org. what are the requirements? | 17:08 |
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| kebray | That is, how are things decided to be listed or not listed as a new category on apps.openstack.org? | 17:08 |
| kebray | so, not an announcement.. a question. we can take it up later if need be. | 17:09 |
| docaedo | kebray: let's cover that later, but today - we need to discuss how to add more categories (and definitely want to see solum LPs in there) | 17:09 |
| kebray | great! thx. | 17:09 |
| docaedo | #topic Proposal: stale entries (kfox1111) | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: you had started a conversation on the mailing list re: stale entries, and for a start, I think you wanted to add an additional field | 17:10 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:10 |
| docaedo | something like "entry_maintainer" or so | 17:10 |
| sgordon | makes sense | 17:10 |
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| kfox1111 | if something breaks, how do we know how to contact the maintiner to fix their website, | 17:10 |
| sgordon | i would think we could also do some automation to detect if a url is now a 404? | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | or let them know we will pull the entry after some amount of time with it being broken. | 17:10 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. with such a field, eventually it could pull and notify directly. | 17:11 |
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| docaedo | makes sense to me, and yes, this field would be useful for an automatic script checking external links | 17:11 |
| docaedo | Gosha volunteered to write a simple script that zuul would run periodically, to check external links and notify a mailing list (plus the email), so I see that as phase 2, but first off | 17:12 |
| docaedo | add this field to the schema | 17:12 |
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| docaedo | should we populate the entries with whoever put in the patch relating to that entry? | 17:12 |
| docaedo | (pre-populate for now I mean, and then going forward just make it a required field) | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | that, and maybe email them letting them know we've done that, giving them the opertunity to change it if they want. | 17:13 |
| docaedo | +1 | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. required as soon as possible would be good. | 17:13 |
| docaedo | any volunteers to do this? | 17:14 |
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| kfox1111 | I can take a stab at it I think. | 17:14 |
| docaedo | thanks, I'll help, will coordinate with you on IRC | 17:15 |
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| kztsv_mbp | also. how would taking down work? Is there an enabled/disabled param, that can be switched on/off in a yaml file or shall the whole entry be removed? | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | related to that, should we create a common.schema.yaml that we validate all the other yamls against? Then I can put the required admin metadata stuff in there. | 17:15 |
| kztsv_mbp | Sorry if that has been discussed or if I'm asking a dumb question. | 17:15 |
| docaedo | +1 on common.schema.yaml | 17:15 |
| docaedo | kztsv_mbp: not a dumb question, and hasn't been decided exactly | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | the method for removal right now is a code review | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | there isn't a field yet, but we could add one. a hidden/disabled" field? | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | I think it's better to pull something out completely if there's reason to - easy enough to add later, and to me makes sense to drop the entry entirely | 17:16 |
| docaedo | with justification noted in the commit message | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, so long as we're backing it with git, we still have all the history, so adding it back would be easy. | 17:17 |
| docaedo | then there's an obvious trail of who wanted something out, and why | 17:17 |
| docaedo | exactly - as much as possible I want to use the gerrit workflow | 17:17 |
| kztsv_mbp | docaedo: the reasoning behind the question is that taking the whole entry down is a, rather drastic thing to do. A person who submitted the asset would have to go through the review process from scratch. | 17:18 |
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| kztsv_mbp | While flipping a bool field seems like a less restrictive approach | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | I think we probably should come up with a policy of some sort. we send 3 or 4 emails over some time period, then pull it. | 17:18 |
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| docaedo | true, but just flipping the bool would only hide it from the web site frontend, it would still be in the yaml | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | maybe we have a flag we set on the entry as soon as its detected flagging it visually to the users as potentially broken? | 17:19 |
| docaedo | so if there is a need for somethign to be "not there", seems completely removing it is the best option | 17:19 |
| sgordon | would the boolean be in the yaml anyway though? | 17:19 |
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| docaedo | but maybe in case of something being temporarily 404 (like while the zuul checker happened to run), completely removing would seem drastic, yeah | 17:19 |
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| kfox1111 | agreed. | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | or they are in a downtime for an hour or so. | 17:20 |
| docaedo | and yes, the boolean would be in the yaml too - my question I guess is what's the advantage of hiding over removing | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | shouldn't totally kill things. | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | theres a window, 404 detected ...... user tries to launch, | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | that it could be fixed between. | 17:21 |
| kztsv_mbp | docaedo: it's more like a 2 step removing. If the entry is down for 2 days — flip the switch. If it's still down after a week and the author didn't contact anyone — remove completely | 17:21 |
| sgordon | right | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | if its only checked once a day for example, it could have been fixed after only an hour, and users wouldn't be able to use it for 23 more. | 17:21 |
| sgordon | i dont think we would have to check as infrequently as once a day for a simple is the link valid | 17:22 |
| docaedo | kztsv_mbp: I could see that, but would personally advocate for putting in a review that removes it, mark it WIP, and send the "owner" a warning that it's marked for removal | 17:22 |
| sgordon | if we wand to download it and confirm that hash then that is more invasive | 17:22 |
| sgordon | docaedo, +1 i like that approach | 17:22 |
| docaedo | otherwise my fear is that we'll eventually be flipping that bool on and off a lot (and if we do that, we could end up with dozens of flipping on and off) | 17:23 |
| kztsv_mbp | oh. yep. I'm not advocating automatic removing here. | 17:23 |
| sgordon | to me if the bool is in the yaml anyway there is no advantage over proposing removal - in either case both the removal and adding it back later require a review cycle | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. you'd have to have the bool outside the yaml that gets merged in on retrieve to be more automatic. | 17:23 |
| docaedo | yeah when it comes to automating this stuff, I want to push that conversation down the road a little bit | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | probably more trouble then its worth for now. | 17:24 |
| kztsv_mbp | The flipping could possibly be a commit, by some bot then? but be approved by those with common sense =) | 17:24 |
| docaedo | eventually, we are going to need to tackle that stuff, maybe even soon-ish, but right now with just having flat yamls, easier to minimize the number of commits | 17:24 |
| docaedo | yep, whether it's a bool flip, or full removal, still needs human to +2 | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | It may be tricky to automate the yaml editing without causing other lines in the file to be rearanged. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | how about this: | 17:25 |
| docaedo | I'll write up the options, send to ML, and we'll let broader audience weigh in? | 17:25 |
| kztsv_mbp | sounds right to me =) | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | k | 17:26 |
| docaedo | nice :) moving on... | 17:26 |
| sgordon | kfox1111, mmm the marker for the start of an entry is fairly easy to spot though iirc | 17:26 |
| sgordon | kfox1111, is simple a matter of chopping from there to the next one | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. just not as simple as yaml import, set new value, yaml export though. | 17:26 |
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| sgordon | kfox1111, sure but if at some point you have to remove it anyway... | 17:27 |
| docaedo | sgordon: I'm with you, adjusting or chopping is going to be pretty easy to automate | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | thats why I'd kind of perefer it be in a seperate document thats merged on fetch. | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | I'm thinking we may want to do that anyway down the line for stuff like user submitted stars. | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | don't want to need a gerrit review for all of those. :/ | 17:28 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: user submitted stars as patches would overwhelm the catalog instantly, and poses too high a barrier for people to give their thoughts on an asset | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | exactly. | 17:29 |
| docaedo | that topic is a big one, in a little bit we'll have a quick throw down of things to discuss | 17:29 |
| docaedo | for now, lets move on and take this topic to ML | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 17:29 |
| docaedo | #topic Versions for entries (docaedo) | 17:29 |
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| sgordon | yeah i dont think necessarily merging in a separate file scales for that use case anyway | 17:29 |
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| docaedo | It would be nice to version the entries in some way, but maybe it's not even worth discussing as long as we have everything in a flat yaml | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | but I wanted to bring up today because it's an issue that has popped up several times | 17:30 |
| sgordon | docaedo, what kind of versioning were you imagining - different versions of the same asset class (e.g. Ubuntu 14.04 vs 15.04) or the entry itself | 17:30 |
| docaedo | and not really sure the best way to deal with it right now - what do you think, do we even NEED to deal with this right now? | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | sgordon: the entry iteself | 17:30 |
| sgordon | mmm, i guess what are the examples where it has come up? | 17:30 |
| docaedo | the example would be an updated entry | 17:30 |
| sgordon | right | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | I was thinking the same thing earlier. If we want to be able to support downloading a set of artifacts that are dependencies of the app the user wants to launch, we proabably need some versioning stuff in the entries. | 17:31 |
| sgordon | i just wonder if the user cares | 17:31 |
| sgordon | or do they just want the most up to date entry always | 17:31 |
| docaedo | like new murano asset with associated bits, gets a change - | 17:31 |
| docaedo | sgordon: I think that's a good point, user shouldn't care | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | no, often users do care. :/ | 17:31 |
| docaedo | and until we have a more complicated back end, probably not worth spending much time/thought on this | 17:31 |
| sgordon | it depends on the class of user | 17:31 |
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| sgordon | the users who do care in my experience probably arent grabbing random stuff off the web | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | because new software has a horible tendency to break old data/modules. :/ | 17:32 |
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| sgordon | but maintaining their own catalog | 17:32 |
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| kfox1111 | people tend not to care, until they do. :/ | 17:32 |
| sgordon | maybe a problem worth punting, not sure | 17:32 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: I don't see where people are going to turn to app catalog as an update though, would they? | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | ok punting for now, but I think we'll see it come back eventually. | 17:32 |
| sgordon | right | 17:32 |
| docaedo | yeah, agree with punting | 17:32 |
| sgordon | atm for all classes | 17:32 |
| sgordon | you have to pull the entire thing again | 17:33 |
| sgordon | there is no update in place as such | 17:33 |
| docaedo | lets move on, spend just a few minutes on the next topic: | 17:33 |
| docaedo | #topic Discussion: ideas for getting more contributors involved? | 17:33 |
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| kztsv_mbp | sry, what's punting? +) are we postponing the issue for now? | 17:33 |
| docaedo | yes, postponing the issue for now, but not forgetting about it :) | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | oh. sorry. yeah, postponing. | 17:34 |
| kztsv_mbp | ok. anyway with flat yaml I can't imagine a feasible way to version things | 17:34 |
| docaedo | So just wanted basically a few quick thoughts on how we can get more people interested and involved, all of which will likely lead to work on mailing lists or something (but | 17:34 |
| sgordon | mmm well you could but you'd basically have to keep all versions of each entry | 17:34 |
| sgordon | plus versioning in a separate field, fairly manual and prone to error | 17:35 |
| docaedo | I want to get more feedback from you all on that topic) | 17:35 |
| sgordon | anyway... | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:35 |
| sgordon | well i think the conversations on the dev list are a good start at drumming up some interest | 17:35 |
| sgordon | e.g. the solum lang packs thing that came up | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | distro's have very similar issues. | 17:35 |
| sgordon | trying to work out how to fit in with other existing efforts | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | sgordon: good point, and yeah - for now maybe there's not much more to do other than keep active on ML, as for other integrations | 17:36 |
| docaedo | will pitch that as a topic to discuss in future meetings, kfox1111 and I have mentioned some of that on IRC | 17:36 |
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| docaedo | (but big topic - integrate with other projects, or make standalone app and horizon panel that plugs in to other projects) | 17:37 |
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| docaedo | actually that topic alone should stir up a lot of conversation on ML :) | 17:37 |
| sgordon | yeah | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | Yeah, I think we've got 3 different use cases we may want to cover. | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | I still believe that it should be tigthly integrated with Glance Artifacts aka v3 | 17:38 |
| sgordon | it does seem to me like there is some scope for some additional UI, even though obviously murnao, heat, glance all have UI enablement of their own | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | * Global place to find OpenStack compatable Artifacts. | 17:38 |
| docaedo | I think we already moved on to next topic, perfect! | 17:38 |
| docaedo | #topic Discussion: other topics to cover, longer-term roadmap ideas | 17:38 |
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| kztsv_mbp | actually integrating with horizon would be super-nice. Imagine you have app-catalog as a source of the image in glance. And say, have autosuggestions as you type, that suggest images from app-catalog. | 17:38 |
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| kfox1111 | *Single global, Google AppStore like thing for OpenStack Clouds. Ie, user runs app, it works. no need to assemble themselves. | 17:39 |
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| kfox1111 | and 3, | 17:39 |
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| kfox1111 | * Global repository for contributed OpenSource artifacts that can be maintaned by the community (OpenSource heat templates, for example) | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | kztsv_mbp: I have a bit of a prototype on my box of horizon integration. :) | 17:40 |
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| kfox1111 | the new angular stuff made most of it very simple. | 17:41 |
| docaedo | OK - so first topic for deeper discussion: integration with other projects | 17:41 |
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| docaedo | kebray wanted to cover adding additional content, want to make sure we catch that during open discussion next | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 17:43 |
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| docaedo | but before moving on, what other points/issues/concerns did you all have in mind, for things we need to cover in the next few weeks/months? | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | Would like some way to distinguish catagory #1 things from #2 things though. | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | A user is never going to want to launch a "solum language pack" themselves, since its just a shared library artifact. | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | so some tag that destinguishes "applications" from non apps would be useful. | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | kfox1111: I believe that the user is not lauchning anything at all | 17:44 |
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| docaedo | ah that's a good point - catalog is meant to be a place for "things that run on openstack", not necessarily lower level things | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | ativelkov: For the horizon prototype I've been working on, you'd be able to select a heat template for example, and then go right into the launch heat stack workflow. | 17:45 |
| docaedo | like not the right place for puppet manifests | 17:45 |
| kebray | docaedo, I have to go grab food before my next meeting in 15 minutes. If there are requirements to add new things, can you hit me up on IRC later in the app-catalog channel or send email to mailing list? | 17:45 |
| arunrajan | +1 on Horizon plugin. I expect ability to "single click" deploy community verified apps would be useful. Curious - how to showcase credibility for templates/packages. i.e. anyway to see if other users have used and rated it high (thinking of an e-commerce shopping experience) | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | kfox1111: right, but that is the HEAT which runs it | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | so, apps are run by Murano | 17:45 |
| docaedo | kebray: sure, will be sure to coordinate this with you on IRC or mailing list | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | but it is a solum (openstack) artifact, so it does make sense to go in the catalog. | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | Images are spawned into VMs by Nova | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | etc | 17:46 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah, so lets take glance. | 17:46 |
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| ativelkov | The catalog just provides artifacts for the services to consume it | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | there may be applience images that are "apps" that the user can simply "launch". | 17:46 |
| sgordon | right | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | there may be images that need a murano app or heat stack to be useful. the image would not be tagged as an app. | 17:46 |
| kfox1111 | but still available so the machinery could find and download it as needed. | 17:47 |
| sgordon | makes sense | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | so users may want to filter out all things not marked with the app tag. | 17:47 |
| sgordon | there may also be cases where the image is usable standalone *and* augment via heat and/or murano usage | 17:47 |
| sgordon | but an app tag would cater to that too i think | 17:47 |
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| kfox1111 | sgordon: then its an app I think. | 17:47 |
| sgordon | right | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | no reason an app cant be used by another. | 17:48 |
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| sgordon | similar situation exists as i understand it for the containerized apps on murano | 17:48 |
| sgordon | where they depend on each other | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | In Artifacts Repository we distinguish artifacts and just binary assets. The image which is unusable on its own is not a standalone artifact in this point of view | 17:48 |
| docaedo | yep, I think the idea of tagging something as an app vs. a component makes sense to me | 17:48 |
| muralia | +1 | 17:48 |
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| sgordon | i guess the existential question i have is w.r.t. the operating system images | 17:49 |
| sgordon | they aren't really apps, but they are used to layer apps on | 17:49 |
| sgordon | some users will want to use them directly though | 17:49 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. they are rather gray. ubuntu is usually a building bloc, but could be considerdd an app of its own. | 17:49 |
| docaedo | I would say if they work standalone, they count as an app in this context | 17:49 |
| sgordon | yeah im ok | 17:49 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 17:50 |
| docaedo | so bigger topic here for further discussion: tagging and categorizing assets | 17:50 |
| sgordon | in the case of a lot of the glance images i guess mentally i think of them more as appLIANCE than appLICATION | 17:50 |
| sgordon | :) | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni | docaedo: what do you mean by work standlone? | 17:50 |
| kztsv_mbp | Can't the idea seems nice, although might not apply cleanly to murano apps, as some of them can be used both as a standalone app and a component. but that makes it an app. so I might be wrong =) | 17:50 |
| devkulkarni | s/standlone/standalone/ | 17:50 |
| kfox1111 | slight clarification. if its a bare os image, like "Centos 7", then tag as an app. | 17:50 |
| sgordon | kztsv_mbp, right i think that is the same as what i was getting at above | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | kztsv_mbp: well, Murano packages may be class libraries | 17:50 |
| sgordon | kztsv_mbp, both the individual apps and their combination are an "app' | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | if its somethting like "centos 7 with trove guest agent", its really a component of trove and not an app. | 17:51 |
| docaedo | devkulkarni: I mean like a glance image that is useful on it's own, vs. a glance image that's really meant to be used by heat or murano as a base component for an application stack | 17:51 |
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| devkulkarni | docaedo: I see.. | 17:51 |
| muralia | docaedo: who add's these tags? in solums case, would solum add a tag to an atrifact once added to the catalog? or are these preset tags in the catalog? | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | kfox1111: solum languagepacks would be bare os images.. tagging them as an app seems bit incorrect.. is the tagging system extensible? | 17:52 |
| kfox1111 | devkulkarni: no, because there's no way to boot a bare language pack in solum I believe. | 17:52 |
| docaedo | muralia: my thinking is that assets are tagged by whoever adds it | 17:52 |
| kfox1111 | you add a git repo that is your app. | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | ok, that makes sense | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | so solum lps won't be tagged as an app. makes sense | 17:52 |
| sgordon | docaedo, +1 | 17:53 |
| devkulkarni | docaedo: +1 | 17:53 |
| sgordon | user tagging might be something we look at later but this one seems fairly fundamental as something you should know at the time you are adding the entry | 17:53 |
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| docaedo | but tagging is for next week (or mailing list this week), as the catalog is not structured to easily support that right now | 17:54 |
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| kztsv_mbp | +1. if the reviewer thinks that the tag is inappropriate he will -1 the review | 17:54 |
| docaedo | I do see tagging as essential though for expanding the assets that the catalog can hold | 17:54 |
| sgordon | inded | 17:54 |
| sgordon | *indeed | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 17:54 |
| docaedo | big topic, but maybe most important thing to sort next | 17:54 |
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| docaedo | because if we get it right (and we will!), makes the app catalog useful for more and more "things that run on openstack" | 17:55 |
| muralia | i would like extensible tags as I'm also looking at storing lots of metadata for me to search for solum LPs | 17:55 |
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| muralia | such as: give me all LPs bases on ubuntu 14.04 | 17:55 |
| muralia | or all LPs of type Python | 17:55 |
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| docaedo | muralia: yes, also impacts ability to rate/star assets, and provide feedback about them as well - none of that works in flat yamls reviewed in gerrit | 17:56 |
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| kfox1111 | that brings up elastic serch... :) | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | so I'm big +1 for more metadata, but -1 if we start cramming 75-100 lines per asset, all in a handful of yaml files | 17:56 |
| muralia | +1 | 17:56 |
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| kfox1111 | should we install it on the server and dump all the yaml's in? | 17:56 |
| kfox1111 | would make searching it very simple. | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | faceting too. | 17:57 |
| docaedo | kfox1111: would need to see a blueprint with a way to see a POC of that I think, so we can get more eyes on it | 17:57 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 17:57 |
| docaedo | seems a great idea though :) | 17:57 |
| docaedo | (three minutes left, and I have to jump immediately after btw) | 17:57 |
| kztsv_mbp | I have a really small and really unrelated topic — I would suggest we research/adopt a better UI, regarding copy-pasting the of the glance/murano name field. Currently it's 1) editable, 2) there is no copy button. If no one objects — I would like to volunteer and improve it. I have smth like gerrit or github fields in mind. | 17:58 |
| muralia | one more question, will the catalog actually store the artifact, or just a pointer to glace or swift or whereever the actual artifact is stored? | 17:58 |
| docaedo | kztsv_mbp: sounds good, want to put that in a blueprint? | 17:58 |
| kztsv_mbp | It might require a flash solution, I guess there was some discussion about it on github. But in any case I feel that it really needs to be improved, as it is the UI, the user interacts with. | 17:59 |
| docaedo | muralia: yes I think the ultimate plane is to have catalog store the asset (think docker repository) | 17:59 |
| muralia | ok | 17:59 |
| docaedo | flash! yikes! | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | I want to try making a POC of running the catalog's API on Glance V3 | 17:59 |
| kfox1111 | muralia: That was what I was talking about I think with use case #3. We have no such place currently. | 17:59 |
| docaedo | we're out of time .. but good conversation! | 17:59 |
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| docaedo | let's take the rest up on #openstack-app-catalog | 18:00 |
| muralia | thanks all. | 18:00 |
| docaedo | and I'll send update later today to ML | 18:00 |
| kztsv_mbp | docaedo: ok. I think I'll be able to do it over the weekend, maybe =) | 18:00 |
| docaedo | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 18:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-18-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| kfox1111 | kztsv_mbp: I'd like to switch the ui to angular.js so we can share with horizon. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-18-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-06-18-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: igordcard_ s3wong: hi | 18:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:01 |
| igordcard_ | hello all | 18:01 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro hi | 18:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 18:02:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_18th_2015 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1462024 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462024 in Group Based Policy "Concurrent create_policy_target_group call fails" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did you have a chance to look at the above? | 18:03 |
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| rkukura | I have an idea what’s needed, but haven’t looked yet | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok great, does this need taskflow or is there a shorter term fix? | 18:04 |
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| rkukura | shorter term I hope - create the implicit resources in separate transactions and make sure to use the ones that get committed | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah ok | 18:05 |
| rkukura | whoever wins | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: do you mean the DB creation? | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: or the full plugin call? | 18:06 |
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| rkukura | I’m hoping its possible to suspend the current transaction while making the plugin call that creates the implicit resource | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: as opposed to a sub-transaction? | 18:07 |
| rkukura | I think these are different - I need the create transaction to commit before the original transaction commits. Maybe subtransactions can do that, but I need to check. | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:08 |
| rkukura | This will of course introduce new failure modes - using TaskFlow will be a better long term solution | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so would you say that the ETA for this fix will be a week’s time? | 18:09 |
| rkukura | Once I finish the nova node driver, I should be able to work on this, so hopefully | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need discuss here? | 18:10 |
| rkukura | yes | 18:11 |
| rkukura | I don’t recall the bug number, but we’ve planned to use the new neutron subnet pool feature for our subnet allocation. Do we want to get that in our kilo release? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:12 |
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| rkukura | This one is likely to require schema changes, so would be harder to do on a proper stable branch | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1383947 | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1383947 in Group Based Policy "subnet mapping broken with overlapping ips" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe that one ^^^? | 18:12 |
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| rkukura | that’s related, but there is a different bug focused on performance and scalability issues with the current algorithm. | 18:13 |
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| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1382149 | 18:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1382149 in Group Based Policy "subnet allocation does not scale" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah just saw that too | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was looking for high priority one | 18:13 |
| rkukura | Its referenced in the one you linked | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ones | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: would the usual process of migration scripts not work? | 18:14 |
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| rkukura | It would be a very difficult migration - the current allocations would need to somehow be transfered to a neutron subnet-pool. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah you mean data migration | 18:15 |
| rkukura | Migrating just schema would be easy - migtrating data would be practically impossible | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | And I’d prefer not to have to maintain both mechanisms (i.e. as a driver) | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps we can do some investigation and see if it is going to affect any users | 18:16 |
| rkukura | I’m thinking this might be higher priority to get in before kilo is released than the race condition we were just discussing, which should not have migration issues | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:16 |
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| rkukura | I’ll try to protoype it at least ASAP | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps good to have the patch in the master posted, and we can subsequently make a call on how to handle the backport | 18:17 |
| rkukura | just to make sure the neutron feature is really usable | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:18 |
| rkukura | when do we create the stable/kilo branch? | 18:18 |
| rkukura | This cannot be backported to juno because the subnet-pools aren’t in juno | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the original plan has been the end of this month | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah okay | 18:18 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | alternatively we could push this to Liberty that we already know will be incompatible with former releases | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps we can investigate if we can make the logic configurable | 18:19 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: That would be needed if we want to implement after releasing our kilo, but I think we can get in in by then | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for bringing that up | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss today | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration tests | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is jishnu here? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe he is doing some refactoring for making it easy for others to add tests | 18:23 |
| rkukura | This would be useful for an end-to-end nova node driver test | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true | 18:23 |
| rkukura | for now, a devstack exercise seems the only option, or am I missing something? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is the easier one to do | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and provides reasonable coverage at least with sanity testing the basic workflow | 18:25 |
| Yi_ | hi | 18:25 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’ll stick with that for now | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: hi! | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there were some failures on teh integration job yesterday | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what now seems like transient, since after repeated rechecking all patches are passing (on the stable/juno patch) | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe you didnt change anything on the patches, right? | 18:26 |
| jishnu | hi | 18:26 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: right | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: hi | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ok | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I didn't notice they fixed themselves! | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Our code is smarter than us. Scary | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | magesh rechecked everything in the morning, and they all seem to be passing now | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i noticed that his patch was failing yesterday on a completely different error (related to passwords) | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i did some refactoring on the gate hook script yesterday to make it more robust to errors | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the expectation is that even if stack.sh fails, the logs from the openstack services will now be archived | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will know when something fails if this works correctly ;-P | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: joined in the nick of time :-) | 18:29 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: nice | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: i believe you are making updates to the gbpfunc test package? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any update/guidance for the team? | 18:30 |
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| jishnu | Yes they are done... in that I have not added new testcases, only the structuring of the suite has been changed... I was planning to add two more testcases, but backed it out | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: any ETA on some high level document/wiki page on this? | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: i mean how to add more tests | 18:32 |
| jishnu | Wrt usage of the suite: Currently we should do the following | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: lets add the info here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/Testing | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also any documentation on developing the tests | 18:33 |
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| jishnu | @Sumit: For what you are asking I need to put a wiki/doc in place and in all likeliness I can do that around last wk of the month | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: thanks, earlier would be better, but we trust that you will do whatever is possible | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:35 |
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| jishnu | Surely Sumit.. | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: thanks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so the issue regarding the gbpautomation milestone package in fedora | 18:36 |
| rkukura | Nothing new on my end - I’d still like to update master and kilo fedora/RDO packages, but lower priority than the coding for kilo | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did you get a chance to respond to the person who raised that issue? | 18:37 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Two issues really - broken dependencies, and moving our heat add-on into their repo | 18:37 |
| rkukura | I haven’t responded to Zane, but can if you’d like. | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the latter cannot be achieved retroactively for kilo | 18:37 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Good point | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i suspect he is going to send another email if we dont | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: my suggestion was that we just pull that milestone package out, since i am out sure anyone is using it anymore, is that an option? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I’ll let him know I’ll fix the kilo packages ASAP, and we’ll try to do the right thing on master | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *i am out -> i am not | 18:38 |
| rkukura | We haven’t packaged the milestone yet - doing so should fix the first issue | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i mean the milestone k2 package that is perhaps causing him pain | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that will buy us some time | 18:39 |
| rkukura | I don’t think we’ve ever updated to any kilo packages - still juno | 18:39 |
| rkukura | I could be wrong, and will check | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay then i am confused, why there would be an issue with juno packages | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: our juno packages rely on the other openstack juno pakcages (including heat) | 18:40 |
| rkukura | because fedora is still trying to build out juno packages on fedora versions that have moved on to kilo | 18:40 |
| rkukura | so there is no juno heat on fedora 21+, AFAIK, except in RDO, which is seperate from the fedora packages | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok, i did not realize that older releases are not maintained in fedora | 18:42 |
| rkukura | fedora 20 is still getting updates, and is juno-based | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so is it possible to make our juno package only fedora 20 specific, and yank it out of the 21+? | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you know what to do best here | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | we could yank from 21+, but I’d prefer to just update the packing to use our k-2 or k-3 | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so we cant use k-2 there since that would still rely on juno | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we would need to use k-3 | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you can check with amit if he can help you with this | 18:45 |
| rkukura | I think I’m way off on the fedora versions - juno is either 21 or 22 | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | he can build the k-3 packages and you can post them | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:45 |
| rkukura | The builds are done by fedora infrastructure | 18:45 |
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| rkukura | humans never touch the rpms, just the tarballs and spec from which they are automatically produced | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so i guess we have to update the tarballs | 18:46 |
| rkukura | We can certainly use the k-2 tarballs until k-3 are ready | 18:47 |
| rkukura | wait, sorry - k-3 are ready, and we are working towards k-4 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah k3 has been ready since 5/26 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok 12 mins left | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the discussion here | 18:48 |
| rkukura | If I could spend a day on it, I’d update all 4 fedora packages to k-3 for the appropriate fedora versions | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok thanks | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | team logistics | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Core reviewers | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | after the summit i reached out to the then set of core reviewers to check if they were planning to be active with the reviews going forward | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | based on the responses, the current set of core reviewers stands at: ivar-lazzaro, rkukura, magesh, myself, subramanyam, hemanth, s3wong | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so kevin, ronak, and banix have moved out of the core reviewers | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any concerns or thoughts on the above changes? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | going forward based on the review contributions we will add more folks (and also the outgoing cores once they get more time to review) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so thanks to everyone for their effort on the reviews | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ++ | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and especially to banix and ronak who have been the founding members on this team | 18:55 |
| rkukura | +2 | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo features | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | running short on time | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: on #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 and #link https://review.openstack.org/166424 do you need to bring up anything, or is it a longer discusion (perhaps for #openstack-gbp) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:57 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah on the second one | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I think it's time to converge on a decision | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | whether we want the services to be owned by the provider or by an admin tenant :) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “Admin tenant owns service chain instances” | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we could use the NSP to regulate this behavior | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but we need a default nonetheless | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lets check with rukhsana, magesh since they had concerns | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yes | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will take that as an action item | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Their concern was about single tenant services | 18:59 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | and service sharding based on tenant | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | “service sharding” thats a new one :-) | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yeah, lets follow up | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are the hours | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | * hour | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: sorry did not get time to discuss your patch | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any update from mcard on the UI? | 19:01 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: he's finishing the writing of his dissertation, so he's been moving slow | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | igordcard_: how is the steering proceeding? Let me know if anything is blocking you in the refactor | 19:01 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: but he started integrating with the GBP codebase | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: okay, lets followup on the email thread | 19:02 |
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| igordcard_ | ivar-lazzaro: thanks, I do not yet have relevant updates on that :( | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard_: per ivar-lazzaro’s comment, let us know if there is any blocker for you | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay 3 minutes over | 19:02 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam: ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets carry over the discussion to -gbp | 19:02 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining today | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:02 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:02 |
| Yi_ | bye | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 19:03:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-18-18.02.html | 19:03 |
| igordcard_ | bye all | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-18-18.02.txt | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-18-18.02.log.html | 19:03 |
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| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 20:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:00 |
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| mattgriffin | Who's here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:00 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, howdy | 20:01 |
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| megm | Greetings and salutations! | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:02 |
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| mattgriffin | katomo, here for the HA Guide meeting? | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | baoli, ^ also? | 20:03 |
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| katomo | mattgriffin: I think so | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | excellent... | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | here's our agenda for today: | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:04 |
| katomo | Hello, I'm KATO Tomoyuki. | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, had an idea in the last meeting to start this spreadsheet - keep track of progress, identify roles/responsibilities, help recruiting experts, and tell all when content is progressing | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | here's the spreadsheet: | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | katomo, please feel free to add your name in spots for "Writer(s)" or "SME(s)" | 20:06 |
| megm | Hi, Kato! | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | hi Shamail ... just going through the agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:06 |
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| Shamail | Hi mattgriffin, megm, everyone! | 20:07 |
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| megm | Welcome, Shamail! Thanks for the reviews! | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | so i'm going to make an action item for all to add their names to Writer and SME where they see fit | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | #action Add your name to Writer and SME column in the tracking spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17EApMTVzCgddR62ZYJC4qAs9imdZWDcSy81UNEae8WY/edit#gid=0 | 20:07 |
| Shamail | You're welcome megm, sorry for not taking the initiative on my own. | 20:08 |
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| megm | Shamail, you've been busy ;-) | 20:08 |
| Shamail | mattgriffin: can you clarify what line #20 represents? | 20:08 |
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| Shamail | (In the spreadsheet) | 20:08 |
| megm | Meg is guilty for lines 19 and 20... | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | megm, for content that is "Merged" in the RST Conversion column, is it ready for people to really dig into the content and fix and improve? | 20:09 |
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| megm | I'm looking for a technical person to own the "flow" of information for configuring HA on the Controller and Storage nodes. | 20:09 |
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| Shamail | Got it. Thanks megm | 20:10 |
| megm | This is separate (but could be the same person) from ensuring that the RabbitMQ or Pacemaker piece is accurate and complete | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | megm, just added a note to the spreadsheet about this ^ | 20:10 |
| megm | The order of things for Controller seems particularly fraught... | 20:10 |
| megm | mattgriffin, yes, content that is Merged is ready for digging into | 20:11 |
| megm | I'm hoping we'll have a lot more pieces in that category in the next few days. | 20:11 |
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| megm | Anyone with technical knowledge who doesn't like to write or isn't comfortable with RST, sign up as an SME and request a writer. | 20:13 |
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| megm | I'm available. Kato, are you also open to such invitations? | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | megm, what's the link again for this test version of the merged content? | 20:13 |
| katomo | ok | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | not really "test" ... just merged :) | 20:14 |
| megm | http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/index.html | 20:14 |
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| megm | To see the CRs awaiting review, associated bugs, etc, see our Crude Project Plan https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | so the major things i wanted cover in this meeting were sharing this spreadsheet, asking you guys to recruit SMEs, to review RST sections that are ready for content review (see row 6), and to remind everyone (including myself) to keep reviewing the RST review proposals that megm is producing | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | thanks megm ... yeah. that's a great list to focus on for reviews | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | last week i made a draft timeline which I need to update ... | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin update timeline | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | any other things to discuss or questions? | 20:19 |
| megm | Kato and I continue with the conversions. If you are interested in a section that is not yet converted, let me know and I'll prioritize that section so you can get to work. | 20:19 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, ok | 20:19 |
| katomo | :) | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | if there's nothing else then i think we can wrap up | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | the meeting | 20:20 |
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| megm | Any questions from new people? | 20:20 |
| katomo | none | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, any questions? | 20:21 |
| Shamail | I'm good | 20:21 |
| Shamail | I plan to start reviewing actual content for storage next week | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | excellent | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | then i'm going to end the meeting | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | thanks for everyone's help | 20:22 |
| megm | Pacemaker conversion is almost done; I expect to have more pieces done in the next few days - | 20:22 |
| megm | Thanks all! | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:22 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | have a great morning/day/evening (depending on where you are located) | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 20:22:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-18-20.00.html | 20:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-18-20.00.txt | 20:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-18-20.00.log.html | 20:23 |
| megm | Thanks, kato -- it's the middle of the night for you, no? | 20:23 |
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| katomo | 5 a.m. JST | 20:23 |
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| katomo | verrrrry sleepy | 20:23 |
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