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Caleb-- | i'm looking for a way to test our product on large openstack deployments. is there a way to create a deployment that has an arbitrarily large amount of "fake" VMs (without actually allocating comptuer resources). for example, i'd like to create an deployment with 10,000 VM instances | 13:57 |
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Caleb-- | this would allow me to test how the openstack APIs work in these scenarios | 13:57 |
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flaper87 | vkmc: kragniz ? | 15:00 |
vkmc | o/ | 15:00 |
flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 15:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:00 |
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kragniz | o/ | 15:00 |
* flaper87 waits few more seconds for ryan | 15:01 | |
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ryansb | \o | 15:02 |
flaper87 | ok ok | 15:02 |
flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda | 15:02 |
flaper87 | That's our agenda for today | 15:02 |
flaper87 | I believe we don't have pending action items from last time | 15:02 |
flaper87 | lets get to our agenda right away | 15:02 |
flaper87 | #topic Specs | 15:02 |
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flaper87 | We still have some specs to review | 15:03 |
flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188662/ | 15:03 |
flaper87 | flwang: is not around today (NZ) but I wanted to bring that spec to your attention | 15:03 |
flaper87 | SpamapS left very good comments that should simplify that spec and the implementation, I hope | 15:03 |
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flaper87 | There are several deployers impacts that will need to be well documented | 15:04 |
flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188770/ | 15:04 |
flaper87 | vkmc: ^ | 15:04 |
flaper87 | updates ? | 15:04 |
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flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 15:04 |
* flaper87 shakes vkmc | 15:05 | |
vkmc | wait! | 15:05 |
* flaper87 waits | 15:05 | |
flaper87 | :D | 15:05 |
vkmc | so in reply to ryansb comments | 15:05 |
vkmc | well, only for the how to delimit messages | 15:05 |
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vkmc | I honestly didn't check the pubsub for Autobahn | 15:05 |
vkmc | I was delimiting messages by having an array of messages | 15:06 |
vkmc | probably not the best | 15:06 |
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dynarro | o/ | 15:06 |
vkmc | I could check it out thoug h | 15:06 |
flaper87 | ryansb:was that comment referring to pushing notifications back to users? | 15:06 |
flaper87 | dynarro: loooook who's late | 15:06 |
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dynarro | flaper87: Im sorry!!! | 15:06 |
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vkmc | apart from that, the messages api is for review and the claims one is done, I just need to upload it | 15:07 |
flaper87 | apparently ryansb is sleeping | 15:07 |
vkmc | and finish the unit tests | 15:07 |
diga__ | o/ | 15:07 |
ryansb | vkmc: the thing with that is users can't parse a partial array | 15:07 |
flaper87 | vkmc: good, I have (still) half of the patch reviewed | 15:07 |
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flaper87 | :P | 15:08 |
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vkmc | ryansb, I see your point | 15:08 |
flaper87 | or should I hand you something for lunch | 15:08 |
ryansb | so if you send along an array of 100 messages, they can't use it | 15:08 |
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ryansb | until all of them arrive | 15:08 |
vkmc | the only thing is that Autobahn can transfer bits or plain text only | 15:08 |
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vkmc | so we were returning only one response with a set of messages | 15:09 |
ryansb | whereas with a pubsub through autobahn or a delimited wire protocol, messages can be used as they come in | 15:09 |
vkmc | maybe we could decouple that and create n responses | 15:09 |
flaper87 | ryansb: by sending one message at a time, though. | 15:09 |
ryansb | yes, one at a time | 15:09 |
ryansb | one way I'd like would be to use netstrings | 15:10 |
ryansb | so the format would be | 15:10 |
vkmc | sweet | 15:10 |
vkmc | you would like to encode the message or all the response? | 15:10 |
ryansb | <number of bytes><JSON of a single message> | 15:11 |
flaper87 | I like the idea | 15:11 |
ryansb | I don't see why we couldn't do the whole response like so | 15:12 |
flaper87 | vkmc: mind investigating on that and add it to the spec? | 15:12 |
ryansb | <num bytes><JSON about the messages that will come in, e.g. how many, etc><num bytes><JSON of message>.... | 15:12 |
vkmc | flaper87, sure | 15:12 |
ryansb | so the caller could still know that it's got N more messages coming in | 15:12 |
ryansb | but could start using them as they come, instead of waiting | 15:13 |
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vkmc | sounds good | 15:13 |
ryansb | and since we tell them how many bytes each chunk is, there's no escaping headaches | 15:13 |
ryansb | they just read N bytes | 15:13 |
vkmc | I'll also check for the pubsub Autobahn mechanism | 15:14 |
flaper87 | That sounds good to me | 15:14 |
flaper87 | vkmc: cool | 15:14 |
flaper87 | #action vkmc to check netstrings for websocket responses | 15:14 |
flaper87 | #action vkmc to check Autobahn's pubsub | 15:15 |
ryansb | Ok. I've never used the autobahn one, just heard it's a thing | 15:15 |
flaper87 | ok, that way I make sure vkmc won't lie to me next week | 15:15 |
flaper87 | :P | 15:15 |
vkmc | damn | 15:15 |
vkmc | you are good | 15:15 |
vkmc | haha | 15:15 |
flaper87 | yeah, lets read about it and see which one works best | 15:15 |
vkmc | thanks ryansb for the suggestion :) | 15:15 |
flaper87 | ok, anything else? | 15:16 |
vkmc | it will make the implementation much better | 15:16 |
vkmc | flaper87, review my patch | 15:16 |
vkmc | nothing else | 15:16 |
flaper87 | vkmc: what about flwang ? | 15:16 |
ryansb | np | 15:16 |
flaper87 | ah ? | 15:16 |
flaper87 | ah? | 15:16 |
flaper87 | uisssh | 15:16 |
flaper87 | ok, moving on | 15:17 |
vkmc | flwang, you know what to do after reading the log | 15:17 |
flaper87 | #topic Client progress | 15:17 |
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flaper87 | dynarro: updates ? | 15:17 |
flaper87 | where are you at on your spec? | 15:17 |
dynarro | I'm fixing all the things vkmc and you commented on | 15:17 |
dynarro | I'm now working on that | 15:18 |
flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190706/ | 15:18 |
flaper87 | FYI ^ | 15:18 |
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flaper87 | dynarro: any blockers? | 15:18 |
flaper87 | I believe Zaqar's patch landed | 15:18 |
flaper87 | (the one that fixes the bug you were blocked on) | 15:18 |
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flaper87 | diga__: updates from you? | 15:19 |
dynarro | well I was trying all tests and i's giving me server-errors | 15:19 |
dynarro | like poolNotFound | 15:19 |
dynarro | I'm trying to figure out what changed | 15:20 |
flaper87 | dynarro: ok, let us know | 15:20 |
dynarro | flaper87: count on it ;) | 15:20 |
flaper87 | diga__: ? | 15:20 |
flaper87 | exploreshaifali: ? | 15:21 |
flaper87 | updates on the client work? | 15:21 |
flaper87 | ok, moving on | 15:21 |
exploreshaifali | flaper87, diga said he is sure he will work on CLI and will complete it by 25 | 15:21 |
flaper87 | #topic Server updates | 15:21 |
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flaper87 | #undo | 15:22 |
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flaper87 | exploreshaifali: ah ok, thanks for the update | 15:22 |
exploreshaifali | he will also cover pools task | 15:22 |
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flaper87 | exploreshaifali: wait, weren't you going to work on that? | 15:22 |
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exploreshaifali | that is what I was about to say | 15:22 |
exploreshaifali | I have no assigned work if he will complete it | 15:23 |
flaper87 | exploreshaifali: mmh, I believe there are also other things in the CLI to work on. You should split the work | 15:23 |
exploreshaifali | sure | 15:23 |
flaper87 | exploreshaifali: otherwise, I already have something else for you | 15:23 |
flaper87 | :) | 15:23 |
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exploreshaifali | So I will take my pools task back :) | 15:23 |
flaper87 | on the server side, though. | 15:23 |
flaper87 | exploreshaifali: go go go | 15:23 |
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exploreshaifali | okay | 15:23 |
diga__ | flaper87: Hi | 15:24 |
flaper87 | diga__: there you are | 15:24 |
flaper87 | Any chance you can split the CLI tasks with exploreshaifali ? | 15:24 |
flaper87 | since she was already looking into it as well | 15:24 |
flaper87 | There's plenty to do there, TBH. | 15:24 |
vkmc | yeah, the client certainly needs some love | 15:25 |
diga__ | I am now working a CLI for queue CRUD openrations | 15:25 |
exploreshaifali | diga__, what about if I will add the pools support for CLI? | 15:25 |
diga__ | but As I see here queue CLI patches are there | 15:26 |
vkmc | diga__, IIRC there is queue, messages and claims | 15:26 |
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exploreshaifali | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122611/ | 15:27 |
vkmc | exploreshaifali, you could take pools and flavors? | 15:27 |
vkmc | I dunno if we want cli for flavors | 15:27 |
vkmc | flaper87, ^ | 15:27 |
flaper87 | yes, we do! | 15:27 |
vkmc | we do | 15:27 |
vkmc | :D | 15:27 |
flaper87 | We need to provide tools for OPs to manage Zaqar | 15:27 |
exploreshaifali | :D | 15:27 |
vkmc | yeah | 15:27 |
vkmc | also, I dunno if we should also consider to get out client under openstackclient | 15:28 |
vkmc | but that is for another time I guess | 15:28 |
vkmc | we are already using openstackclient so it wouldn't be so hard | 15:28 |
ryansb | vkmc: FWIW heat is a client plugin | 15:28 |
diga__ | vkmc, flaper87 : anything is fine for me, | 15:28 |
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ryansb | which is (IMO) a good way to go for operator tools | 15:28 |
flaper87 | ryansb: what do you mean? | 15:28 |
ryansb | instead of going in-tree of openstackclient | 15:29 |
flaper87 | zaqarclient is a pure library, the CLI stuff is implemented as a plugin for openstackclient | 15:29 |
vkmc | ryansb, actually that should work better | 15:29 |
ryansb | use the hooks to show up as a plugin | 15:29 |
vkmc | yes yes | 15:29 |
flaper87 | ryansb: ah yeah, that's exactly how zaqarclient works | 15:29 |
ryansb | oh, k, thought you were talking about moving in-tree | 15:29 |
flaper87 | no no | 15:29 |
ryansb | kk | 15:29 |
flaper87 | diga__: it'd be nice if you and exploreshaifali could split the work so we can complete support there | 15:29 |
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exploreshaifali | flaper87, he said he is fine in splitting work, so I will work for pools and flavors | 15:30 |
flaper87 | cool | 15:30 |
* flaper87 loves collaboration | 15:30 | |
exploreshaifali | :) | 15:30 |
flaper87 | ok, moving on | 15:30 |
flaper87 | #topic Server updates | 15:31 |
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flaper87 | kragniz: updates on the policy stuff ? | 15:31 |
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kragniz | very little done :( | 15:31 |
kragniz | the weekend was not as zaqar filled as I'd hoped | 15:31 |
flaper87 | kragniz: no worries, it's good to know that there's a little done | 15:31 |
flaper87 | :) | 15:31 |
flaper87 | will sync again next week | 15:31 |
kragniz | a small ray of hope! | 15:32 |
flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190630/ | 15:32 |
flaper87 | ^ that landed | 15:32 |
flaper87 | that means the minimum required version for pymongo is now 3.0.2 | 15:32 |
flaper87 | That's good because we can focus the implementation on 1 version | 15:32 |
vkmc | <3 | 15:32 |
flaper87 | instead of supporting 2 | 15:32 |
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flaper87 | I'll update the patch soonish | 15:33 |
vkmc | yeah! | 15:33 |
kragniz | woo! | 15:33 |
flaper87 | I have little done for the pre-signed url but I'm expecting to boost it this week | 15:33 |
ryansb | neat | 15:33 |
flaper87 | Other than that, dynarro has helped a lot in finding bugs in the server | 15:33 |
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diga__ | sure flaper87 | 15:33 |
flaper87 | And I while I was setting up a zaqar with mongo for data and sqlalchemy for management I found out our mongodb controllers assume the queue controller is on mongodb | 15:34 |
flaper87 | that's bad | 15:34 |
flaper87 | really bad | 15:34 |
dynarro | :) | 15:34 |
diga__ | exploreshaifali: I will take a pools, you can work for flavors | 15:34 |
diga__ | because there is less work for queue side | 15:34 |
flaper87 | we need to fix that asap so, either one of you take it or I will (Which means I'll put pre-signed URL on hold a bit) | 15:34 |
flaper87 | but I'd like to fix those issues sooner rather than later | 15:34 |
ryansb | yeah, they do :( | 15:34 |
flaper87 | as they impact deployment | 15:35 |
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flaper87 | (and usability) | 15:35 |
flaper87 | ryansb: :( | 15:35 |
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flaper87 | that's because queue's used to be part of the data plane | 15:35 |
flaper87 | not necessarily a valid excuse but it was indeed expected to work before | 15:35 |
flaper87 | something we didn't review well enough, I guess | 15:35 |
ryansb | also impacts my swift patch | 15:36 |
exploreshaifali | diga__, fine :) | 15:36 |
flaper87 | Anyway, I'll take that as no and fix the issue myself | 15:36 |
flaper87 | ryansb: LOL, you're right | 15:36 |
flaper87 | sorry about that | 15:36 |
flaper87 | :D | 15:36 |
diga__ | exploreshaifali: thanks ! | 15:36 |
vkmc | booo, we want the swift driver | 15:36 |
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flaper87 | ryansb: want to share something about the driver? | 15:36 |
flaper87 | I saw a patch showing up | 15:37 |
flaper87 | :) | 15:37 |
ryansb | how do you want those sorts of bugs reported, btw? launchpad? | 15:37 |
ryansb | Yeah, so I have claims sorta-ish working | 15:37 |
ryansb | batch ops work (bulk_get/delete) | 15:37 |
ryansb | and ID ops work | 15:37 |
ryansb | TTLs work | 15:37 |
ryansb | queue create works, but not queue delete AFAIK | 15:37 |
ryansb | and message indices are sharded, but queues are not (yet) | 15:38 |
flaper87 | ryansb: yeah, launchpad sounds good. | 15:38 |
ryansb | so it's coming right along | 15:38 |
ryansb | I do need to pick someone's brain about getting your test suite to run against it | 15:38 |
ryansb | because it seems like you have a suite per driver, so I guess I'd need to add a swift-specific test suite | 15:39 |
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ryansb | but that's something we can chat about after the meeting | 15:39 |
flaper87 | ryansb: there's a base suite that should be generic for all drivers | 15:39 |
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flaper87 | (functional suite) | 15:40 |
flaper87 | The unittest one I believe is specific | 15:40 |
* flaper87 doesn't even remember | 15:40 | |
flaper87 | :P | 15:40 |
ryansb | k | 15:40 |
flaper87 | we need to refactor those tests | 15:40 |
ryansb | summary: it's going ok, but I suspect it'll be higher latency than the redis/mongo drivers | 15:40 |
flaper87 | gotcha | 15:40 |
ryansb | though I think it'll scale more linearly, since Swift is good at scaling out | 15:40 |
flaper87 | anything you had to do differently than other drivers? | 15:41 |
flaper87 | I remember you mentioning eventlet | 15:41 |
ryansb | yeah, haven't explored eventlet yet | 15:41 |
ryansb | so right now it's the same | 15:41 |
ryansb | but before I merge it I want to add eventlet b/c it has so many HTTP calls to swift | 15:41 |
flaper87 | got it | 15:42 |
flaper87 | thanks for the update, looking forward to see those gates green | 15:42 |
ryansb | and swift doesn't have batch operations for some stuff | 15:42 |
ryansb | so I'd like to parallelize some calls | 15:42 |
ryansb | so having an eventlet pool would help enormously | 15:42 |
flaper87 | yeah, that makes sense. | 15:43 |
flaper87 | ok, that's all we have | 15:43 |
flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:43 |
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flaper87 | weekly reminder YOU ALL ROCK! | 15:43 |
* flaper87 sends cake to the team | 15:44 | |
exploreshaifali | \o/ | 15:44 |
flaper87 | if no one has anything to add, we can call it | 15:44 |
flaper87 | ok, thanks folks! | 15:45 |
vkmc | nothing else from me | 15:45 |
vkmc | ! | 15:45 |
flaper87 | have an amazing week | 15:45 |
ryansb | \o | 15:45 |
vkmc | thanks all, have a great week o/ | 15:45 |
flaper87 | talk to you next week and remember, next week the meeting is at 21 UTC! | 15:45 |
vkmc | same bat channel | 15:45 |
flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 15:46:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-06-15-15.00.html | 15:46 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-06-15-15.00.txt | 15:46 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-06-15-15.00.log.html | 15:46 |
flaper87 | vkmc: ^ <3 | 15:46 |
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vkmc | flaper87, suuuuuuuure | 15:46 |
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j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 16:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
j^2 | hey everyone! | 16:00 |
markvan | Howdy | 16:00 |
j^2 | i’ll give a couple mins to let people join | 16:00 |
j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-chef-meeting-20150615 | 16:00 |
sc` | hi! | 16:01 |
j^2 | :D | 16:02 |
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j^2 | ok, cool, two mins | 16:03 |
markvan | ouch, zuul looks a bit off today... | 16:04 |
j^2 | do’h, if yall don’t know about it: | 16:04 |
j^2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190785/ | 16:04 |
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j^2 | #topic <sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge | 16:05 |
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j^2 | any update here? | 16:05 |
sc` | i'm working on adding the rdo-manager repos into common based on feedback i've received | 16:05 |
j^2 | nice | 16:06 |
jklare_ | o/ | 16:06 |
j^2 | #topic <markvan> for ubuntu, still have the outstanding libvirt issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1439280 | 16:06 |
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openstack | Launchpad bug 1439280 in nova (Ubuntu Vivid) "Libvirt CPU affinity error" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
j^2 | markvan: any update here? | 16:07 |
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markvan | That was finally fixed in the ubuntu repo we use, yeh! | 16:07 |
j^2 | sweet! | 16:07 |
j^2 | so is it safe to say we can start building our testing stack reliably now? | 16:08 |
j^2 | with ubuntu that is | 16:08 |
markvan | yup | 16:09 |
j^2 | rock on! | 16:09 |
markvan | that's what I'm basing my CI Beta tests upon for now. | 16:09 |
j^2 | #topic markvan’s ci story | 16:10 |
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j^2 | good segway there | 16:10 |
j^2 | want to give us a quick or indepth progress report? | 16:10 |
markvan | yup, so I'm been trying to figure out if it's possible to run a very simple/basic CI that would just use the existing gate job node as a starting point. | 16:11 |
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markvan | this means spinning up the openstack-chef-repo all in one type test directly within the gate job node. | 16:11 |
markvan | I have two patches out there right now that show the basic idea. | 16:11 |
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j^2 | awesome | 16:12 |
markvan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185085/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188924/ | 16:12 |
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markvan | The repo should go in frist, and then the one for each of the cookbooks can leverage that to make it very simple ot implement. It leave much of the control right in the repo, so future changes should be easy, just one patch. | 16:13 |
j^2 | the repo one still doesn’t have the building of the neutron networks though | 16:14 |
markvan | For tests, I'm doing a few basic query and a nova boot, then running the tempest we have setup in the integration cookbook. | 16:14 |
markvan | Yup, some of the work left to do is the networking side of this. I believe the gate job node only has 1 nic, so we need a very simple network setup. | 16:14 |
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j^2 | ah nice | 16:15 |
markvan | In that regard, I created a new test repo env, integration-aio-neutron.son to help develop that | 16:15 |
markvan | right now it's just a enought to allow a converge(s) to complete and a boot to work, so we can at least "kick the tires" a bit for now. | 16:16 |
jklare_ | i think if we can add a basic aio nova gate which is utilized for all cookbook, that would be more than enough for the kilo release and we can do the rest in liberty | 16:16 |
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markvan | yup, I agree, I'm trying to jsut get the very basic/mvp done here so at least kilo will have something. | 16:17 |
j^2 | getting a aio nova build that can ping out would be great, but at the same time a aio neutron build would be crazy impressive | 16:17 |
markvan | yup, just a steady gate job will be a big step | 16:18 |
j^2 | agreed | 16:18 |
markvan | So, please review my couple patches, the repo one really contains all the good stuff. and we'll go from there. | 16:19 |
j^2 | :D | 16:19 |
j^2 | works for me! | 16:19 |
j^2 | sc`: any thoughts? | 16:19 |
jklare_ | markvan sadly the check experimental jobs seem to be super slow... | 16:20 |
markvan | On a side note, one of the issues is cross cookbook patches, and how to test them in a CI gate (using Depends-On in commit msg.) My test-patch tool in the repo does handle this already, but I think some refactoring needs to be done to make this type of this would in a zuul CI test. | 16:20 |
markvan | yup, experimental get very low priority | 16:21 |
j^2 | yeah that makes sense | 16:21 |
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j^2 | #topic 0.6.0 ChefDK | 16:22 |
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markvan | yeah, still not 0.6.x release, so I say we wait a bit on this...I see a buch of good activity on the DK. | 16:23 |
j^2 | yeah it’s an extremely fast moving project | 16:23 |
j^2 | it’ll have nightlies here soon | 16:23 |
markvan | I don't see an issue with leaving kilo where it is, and maybe moving this after the branch to Liberty. | 16:24 |
j^2 | seems reasonable | 16:24 |
j^2 | we arent gaing much by tracking master. and with a stable cut soon the idea of something that is soild and repeatble is more valubale then something shiny new | 16:25 |
jklare_ | +1 | 16:25 |
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j^2 | we want people view our stable branches and something that can be “production ready” or EXTREMELY close to drop in production ready | 16:26 |
j^2 | obviously it depends on the environment and what you want, but you get the point | 16:26 |
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markvan | agreed | 16:27 |
j^2 | #topic kilo stable/branch cut | 16:27 |
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j^2 | markvan: i know you got some thoughts here :) | 16:28 |
markvan | Yeah, I think content wise we have what we need in kilo now. so was thinking of setting a tentitive date for doing the branching, maybe in 2-3 weeks? | 16:29 |
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jklare_ | +1 for 2 weeks | 16:30 |
j^2 | i’d prefer before i commit to anything personally, i see both ubuntu and centos sucessfully build then set the 2 weeks | 16:31 |
j^2 | i still havent see it build :( | 16:31 |
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jklare_ | btw, do we want to keep the gate job experimental or move it in in kilo? | 16:31 |
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j^2 | i think we move it in kilo | 16:33 |
jklare_ | in that case, i think 2 weeks are a bit too optimistic | 16:33 |
markvan | We could move it in, but leave it non-voting? Since I think there is more work needed here to stablilze it, i'm worried that every tweak of infra will cause it to fail | 16:34 |
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jklare_ | i think non-voting is a good option | 16:34 |
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j^2 | the more i think about it non-voting seems like a great option | 16:38 |
markvan | And was wondering about using the perodic queue to maybe have the repo test run once a day? That way we cover more of the cross cookbook issues right now. | 16:39 |
markvan | so, when we put up a patch, it would include running the repo CI gate for it's patches and once a day as well. | 16:40 |
markvan | patch/ the infra patch/ | 16:40 |
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j^2 | can we see up a periodic test? | 16:40 |
j^2 | i’m still reading the infra-manual | 16:41 |
jklare_ | i think we should totally do that, since we pull in a lot of external dependencies and we only see the errors when pushing a new patch | 16:41 |
markvan | yup, I think it's pretty easy, it's just another gate, but controlled by time, rather then patches. | 16:41 |
markvan | jklare_: yup, exactly | 16:41 |
markvan | that would give us more time to work out the details on how to make the Depends-On commit hook work for us in down the road | 16:42 |
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j^2 | nice, i’d like to take a crack at the new gate to build daily | 16:43 |
markvan | and it would give us a heads up on when infra has tweaked something that breaks us, we'll know sooner... | 16:43 |
jklare_ | sounds good | 16:44 |
jklare_ | i can do the infra patches :) | 16:44 |
j^2 | jklare_: :( ok, go ahead :) | 16:44 |
markvan | we could also consider just starting there for kilo and not have the individual gates on each cookbook until liberty? (step softly at first... | 16:45 |
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jklare_ | so just the chef-repo patch, non-voting gate on patch and periodic? | 16:48 |
j^2 | jklare_: that seems correct yeah | 16:48 |
jklare_ | fits better into the timeframw of two weeks i think | 16:48 |
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markvan | yes, and will then be in place already for liberty which will help from day one. | 16:49 |
j^2 | agreed | 16:49 |
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markvan | I think with just that in place we will learn a great deal on how to do cookbook CI... | 16:50 |
jklare_ | but i am not sure if we can move the integration test in for only the chef-repo | 16:50 |
jklare_ | that would probably mean either always failing and non-voting jobs for all cookbooks or another ugly regexp | 16:50 |
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j^2 | jklare_: not following | 16:51 |
markvan | yeah, good point. but it you just went for the periodic on the repo, that would work, right? | 16:51 |
markvan | it/if/ | 16:52 |
jklare_ | j^2 all the tests run for all of our repos are defined in one template, and if we move something between queues, that has an effect on all cookbooks ( the only option to avoid that is filtering with ugly regexps for specific job names) | 16:52 |
j^2 | ooooh | 16:52 |
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jklare_ | markvan i can check how to do that and either push a patch until next monday or report why its not working ;) | 16:53 |
markvan | sounds good | 16:54 |
j^2 | :D | 16:54 |
j^2 | #topic Open discussion | 16:55 |
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j^2 | anything else? | 16:56 |
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markvan | Abandon the grizzly and havana patches? | 16:56 |
j^2 | yeah, i think that’s resonablp | 16:56 |
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sc` | how about icehouse? | 16:57 |
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sc` | some of the patches passed the gates, others did not | 16:58 |
j^2 | i’m torn on icehouse | 16:58 |
j^2 | our policy is n-1 | 16:58 |
markvan | yeah, I guess if someone wants to work on those unit test issues, it's fine with me. | 16:58 |
j^2 | granted Juno is “lts” so it’ll be around for as long 1404 is | 16:58 |
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* jroll is so ready for this meeting. | 17:01 | |
markvan | And one last sync patch to go: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191810/ (after that goes in, I'll respin the CI beta tests.) | 17:01 |
markvan | and this will be needed now that the library went in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181430/ | 17:01 |
* cdearborn cdearborn 1st time attending | 17:01 | |
jklare_ | markvan just pushed jenkins to check it again | 17:01 |
j^2 | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
NobodyCam | This is not the Ironic meeting yet! | 17:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 17:01:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-06-15-16.00.html | 17:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-06-15-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-06-15-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | thank you j^2 | 17:02 |
jroll | heh, thanks j^2 | 17:02 |
krtaylor | ah, ok | 17:02 |
j^2 | sorry about that | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 17:02:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:02 |
dtantsur | o/ | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:02 |
krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
TheJulia | o/ | 17:02 |
zhenguo | o/ | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | FYI: Nobodycam is in poor bandwidth area and may drop at any moment | 17:02 |
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alex_xu | o/ | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:02 |
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cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
naohirot | o/ | 17:02 |
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NobodyCam | :) welcome all | 17:02 |
rloo | o/ | 17:02 |
lucasagomes | o/ | 17:02 |
jroll | \o | 17:02 |
TheJulia | Good UGT everyone. :) | 17:03 |
cinerama | hi | 17:03 |
NobodyCam | great to see everyone thhis fine monday | 17:03 |
jlvillal | o/ | 17:03 |
NobodyCam | lets kickk this off | 17:03 |
NobodyCam | #topic announcements: | 17:03 |
NobodyCam | Devananda IS in Tel Aviv. WE hope he's having fun :) | 17:03 |
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lucasagomes | sounds sunny :-) | 17:04 |
NobodyCam | NobodyCam: and BadCub: are also traveling this week | 17:04 |
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NobodyCam | I here tel Aviv is quite warm this time of year | 17:04 |
BadCub | eep.. sorry.. lateness happened | 17:04 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:04 |
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NobodyCam | any other announcements | 17:04 |
NobodyCam | BadCub: I know you have to leave early. want to talk about the mid-cycle? | 17:05 |
BadCub | NobodyCam: yeah | 17:05 |
NobodyCam | #topic Mid-Cycle | 17:05 |
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BadCub | Spoke with devananda this morning. He has sent a request to Facilities at HP Seattle to host the mid-cycle Aug 12-14. | 17:06 |
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BadCub | Polling for dates is considered officially closed | 17:06 |
NobodyCam | do you have the poll results? | 17:06 |
BadCub | getting now | 17:06 |
BadCub | 10 Yes for Aug 12-14 | 17:07 |
BadCub | One vote for Aug 5-7 | 17:07 |
BadCub | Two votes for Aug 19-21 | 17:07 |
jroll | BadCub: so does being 100% solid on those dates depend on HP facility response? | 17:07 |
BadCub | not a high viter turnout. | 17:07 |
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BadCub | s/viter/voter | 17:08 |
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BadCub | jroll: from what devananda and I discussed, if HP is negative, we will try to find alternative location | 17:08 |
NobodyCam | ++ | 17:08 |
jroll | BadCub: ok, so hold off on booking travel :) | 17:08 |
BadCub | jroll: yes please. I hope to have answer from HP facilities by EOW | 17:09 |
rloo | BadCub: location in seattle or location in US (west)? | 17:09 |
jroll | ok, thanks :) | 17:09 |
BadCub | rloo: the location will be Seattle | 17:09 |
rloo | BadCub: thx | 17:09 |
BadCub | yw | 17:09 |
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NobodyCam | ++ | 17:09 |
BadCub | I will keep everyone updated as SOON as I hear back | 17:10 |
NobodyCam | awesome thank you BadCub for all the effort in getting this planned | 17:10 |
BadCub | My pleasure | 17:10 |
NobodyCam | any thing else about the mid-cycle | 17:11 |
BadCub | yes | 17:11 |
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BadCub | if we can get an early headcount, I can try to setup a small group block at one of the hotels | 17:11 |
BadCub | if not, that's cool too | 17:11 |
NobodyCam | :) maybe we can use the white board | 17:11 |
BadCub | yes | 17:12 |
jroll | +1 whiteboard | 17:12 |
jroll | or another etherpad we can plan work on | 17:12 |
BadCub | ++ | 17:12 |
NobodyCam | ++ | 17:12 |
TheJulia | ++ | 17:12 |
lucasagomes | +1 | 17:12 |
jroll | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle | 17:13 |
jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle | 17:13 |
NobodyCam | cool new pad or whiteboard /me is good with either | 17:13 |
jroll | done. | 17:13 |
BadCub | I am traveling this week and won't be on a great deal, if someone would kindly volunteer to set up said whiteboard/epad, I would be deeply greatful | 17:13 |
NobodyCam | or that ^^^ | 17:13 |
NobodyCam | awesome Thank you jroll | 17:13 |
BadCub | jroll: thank you! :) | 17:13 |
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NobodyCam | :) | 17:13 |
NobodyCam | so we can use that for mid-cycle planning | 17:14 |
NobodyCam | ok then moving along | 17:14 |
NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report | 17:15 |
NobodyCam | Posted on Whiteboard | 17:15 |
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NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:15 |
jroll | added some notes on neutron integration stuff there | 17:16 |
NobodyCam | I would like to ask... Should we add BiFrost as a official sub-team? | 17:16 |
jroll | would love eyes on the specs to see how insane we are | 17:16 |
dtantsur | NobodyCam, and inspector, and inspector :) | 17:16 |
jroll | NobodyCam: dtantsur +1 | 17:16 |
naohirot | NobodyCam: I updated irmc part, and I'd like core team to review irmc deploy driver #link https://review.openstack.org//#/q/owner:+naohirot%2540jp.fujitsu.com+status:+open,n,z | 17:16 |
NobodyCam | jroll: dtantsur ++ | 17:16 |
NobodyCam | jroll: naohirot: awesome thank you | 17:16 |
TheJulia | NobodyCam: +1 on both bifrost and inspector | 17:16 |
rloo | i was going to say -1 on bifrost and inspector. | 17:17 |
NobodyCam | TheJulia: would like to handle the bifrost section moving forward? | 17:17 |
rloo | what about ironic-lib then | 17:17 |
NobodyCam | rloo: oh | 17:17 |
rloo | and ironic | 17:17 |
TheJulia | NobodyCam: Absoloutely | 17:17 |
naohirot | NobodyCam: liberty-1 is Jun 25, so what is the current status of core team's review? | 17:17 |
rloo | or +1 | 17:17 |
lucasagomes | NobodyCam, official subteam? | 17:17 |
rloo | guess it depends on what these statuses are for etc | 17:17 |
NobodyCam | lucasagomes: (listed on the whiteboard) | 17:17 |
lucasagomes | ah... +1 | 17:18 |
dtantsur | lucasagomes, that means, I'll put the major news about inspector on the dashboard every week :) | 17:18 |
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naohirot | NobodyCam: what features are planed to be part of liberty-1? | 17:18 |
dtantsur | and ditto for bifrost | 17:18 |
NobodyCam | I figured it would a quick way for folks to stay updated on | 17:18 |
rloo | dtantsur: but i like your email messages :) | 17:18 |
dtantsur | naohirot, whatever we land? | 17:18 |
dtantsur | rloo, I hope so :) | 17:18 |
jroll | dtantsur: \o/ | 17:18 |
NobodyCam | and ya ironic-lib should prob also be htere | 17:18 |
jlvillal | Nova sub-team would like feedback on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289048 Is it still an issue? | 17:19 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1289048 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Ironic nova driver spawn() makes too many redundant calls" [Low,Confirmed] | 17:19 |
rloo | dtantsur: I'm fine with adding inspector/bifrost, but i wanted to understand what would be reported there | 17:19 |
rloo | bifrost and inspector don't affect ironic directly. | 17:19 |
jroll | jlvillal: we've somewhat mitigated it but it could be better | 17:19 |
dtantsur | rloo, major news for those interested | 17:19 |
lucasagomes | dtantsur, w00t | 17:19 |
jroll | jlvillal: I suggest you spin up devstack and maybe list the calls that currently happen on a delpoy | 17:19 |
jlvillal | jroll: Thanks. Trying to figure out if we should try to get someone working on it. | 17:19 |
jroll | jlvillal: it's pretty low priority | 17:20 |
naohirot | dtantsur: It's not clear to me that whatever we land means | 17:20 |
jlvillal | jroll: Okay. Thank you. | 17:20 |
jroll | jlvillal: if it was a problem then my team would be all over it :P | 17:20 |
rloo | naohirot: it really is 'wahtever we land' | 17:20 |
jlvillal | :) | 17:20 |
rloo | naohirot: of course, there are priorities | 17:20 |
dtantsur | naohirot, it literaly means: we're trying to land as much stuff as it's possible, we can't make any promises | 17:20 |
rloo | naohirot: so maybe that's what you might want to know | 17:20 |
lucasagomes | jlvillal, as jroll said :-) | 17:20 |
NobodyCam | naohirot: I don't believe we have set any riorities for l-1 | 17:20 |
jlvillal | Thanks all | 17:20 |
dtantsur | naohirot, whatever we manage to land, will enter liberty-1. that's my understanding | 17:20 |
NobodyCam | priorities * | 17:20 |
naohirot | rloo: no core member can do just wait? | 17:20 |
jroll | so speaking of "liberty-1" has everyone had a chance to look at the release model spec? | 17:21 |
dtantsur | NobodyCam, boot-deploy split is one | 17:21 |
dtantsur | a lot of stuff depends on it | 17:21 |
rloo | naohirot: i don't know what you mean. Are you saying that core members just wait for ?? | 17:21 |
jroll | naohirot: cores try to review everything, but we're all human unfortunately | 17:21 |
dtantsur | naohirot, you mean, what you can do? review other's patches to free some core reviewer's time | 17:21 |
rloo | jroll: i have no idea how liberty-1 fits in with your new release model. is it mentioned in the spec? | 17:21 |
dtantsur | naohirot, and timely address comments on your patches of course | 17:22 |
jroll | rloo: basically we ignore openstack's milestones | 17:22 |
dtantsur | that's all (we all) can do to speed up the thing | 17:22 |
naohirot | rloo: I don't know the meaning of whatever land. | 17:22 |
rloo | jroll: that's what i thought. so 'liberty-1' won't mean anything to ironic. | 17:22 |
NobodyCam | dtantsur: yep thatspec ha landed | 17:22 |
jroll | rloo: correct. | 17:22 |
lucasagomes | jroll, yup I did :-) | 17:22 |
naohirot | rloo: therefor I thought that all I can do is just waiting for good luck? | 17:23 |
dtantsur | naohirot, I started reviewing your iRMC stuff today, just didn't have time to finish. stay tuned please :) | 17:23 |
lucasagomes | didn't vote yet, I've to finish my thoughts but so far so good | 17:23 |
dtantsur | will try to finish tomorrow | 17:23 |
lucasagomes | thanks for the answer on the global requirements | 17:23 |
jroll | lucasagomes: cool, ty sir | 17:23 |
rloo | naohirot: no, good luck doesn't help much. i find that if patches are really well written etc, they get reviewed faster etc. but again, the reviewing isn't an automated process and we are all busy and have our own priorities | 17:23 |
lucasagomes | I think we are out of topic here? | 17:24 |
jroll | naohirot: also, large patches take a lot of time to review. | 17:24 |
jroll | lucasagomes: aren't we always :) | 17:24 |
rloo | +1 lucasagomes | 17:24 |
NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yep | 17:24 |
dtantsur | +1 | 17:24 |
BadCub | +1 | 17:24 |
naohirot | jroll: I know all we are human, but as I mentioned many time, I'd like to know the priority of core member's tasks. | 17:24 |
dtantsur | let's move on | 17:24 |
NobodyCam | #topic New dashboard proposed by huawei | 17:24 |
NobodyCam | #link https://github.com/niuzhenguo/ironic-dashboard | 17:24 |
NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/191131 | 17:24 |
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zhenguo | hi all, I proposed the dashboard project. | 17:24 |
rloo | oh, i had questions about subteams. will ask later. | 17:24 |
NobodyCam | this as I under stand was put up like last week | 17:24 |
dtantsur | why isn't it on stackforge btw? :) | 17:24 |
dtantsur | oh, you did apply for it, right? | 17:25 |
NobodyCam | I first heard of it this mornign | 17:25 |
jroll | so, I have a few concerns here. | 17:25 |
TheJulia | I have a few concerns as well | 17:25 |
zhenguo | it's a horizon plugin like tuskar-ui, | 17:25 |
NobodyCam | hi zhenguo | 17:25 |
jroll | 1) this is the first, afaik, time that any of the ironic team has heard anything about this. it's a 2500 line code drop without git history, etc. | 17:25 |
zhenguo | and recently I see other porjects like magnum apply it for openstack. | 17:26 |
jroll | 2) it's based on very outdated code. uses pxe_deploy_kernel etc. | 17:26 |
jroll | 3) it's importing tuskar. tuskar has nothing to do with ironic or horizon. | 17:26 |
jroll | tuskar is only a tripleo thing | 17:26 |
jroll | 4) test coverage is lacking | 17:26 |
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zhenguo | yes, it's a init repo only on github now | 17:26 |
jroll | 5) last point, the proposal puts this under the ironic team. is the ironic core team supposed to maintain this? | 17:27 |
dtantsur | zhenguo, oh, what does it add on top of Tuskar UI? | 17:27 |
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zhenguo | it's not on top of tuskar ui | 17:27 |
jroll | and on that note, is any of the ironic core team interested in maintaining this? | 17:27 |
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NobodyCam | zhenguo: with only a very quick look I think its early to be perposing to the govenence repo at this time | 17:27 |
dtantsur | ah, I see | 17:27 |
zhenguo | it's for horizon | 17:27 |
jroll | zhenguo: it's importing tuskar e.g. https://github.com/niuzhenguo/ironic-dashboard/blob/32012e7ce3bad710a6cfcbab3ad375a5d371c4dc/ironic_dashboard/baremetal/nodes/tests.py#L26 | 17:27 |
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zhenguo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191142/ | 17:28 |
TheJulia | I have to agree with NobodyCam. I think this is good for stackforge so it can itererate and evolve, but it is not the one UI gui for openstack considering we also know of a JS one in development now. | 17:28 |
zhenguo | jroll, it's split from tuskar so left something to be cleaned later :) | 17:28 |
lucasagomes | right that's including the project under the ironic umbrella | 17:28 |
dtantsur | zhenguo, what's the reason of the split? | 17:29 |
jroll | regardless of stackforge or openstack, does the ironic core team want to and/or have the time to maintain this? | 17:29 |
TheJulia | s/openstack/ironic/ | 17:29 |
dtantsur | jroll, on stackforge, it does not matter | 17:29 |
jroll | I fully support a horizon plugin for ironic, fwiw | 17:29 |
jroll | dtantsur: if it's under ironic in governance, it does. | 17:29 |
zhenguo | dtantsur: as I understand, tuskar-ui is specifically geared towards TripleO | 17:29 |
TheJulia | jroll: if it goes into openstack umbrella, I say a vote is required. | 17:29 |
lucasagomes | jroll, I think most have the intention to have something... A UI was even part of the graduation plans and Josh was working on one right? | 17:29 |
zhenguo | ironic needs it's own dashboard for self-services needed | 17:30 |
NobodyCam | jroll: I also share your concerns about maintaining this | 17:30 |
rloo | my suggestion is that some description is written similar to our spec process. it isn't clear that this is a plugin for horizon. | 17:30 |
dtantsur | zhenguo, well, yes. Did you talk to the folks about splitting away the common code? | 17:30 |
lucasagomes | but it needs to mature, it seems that there's more people focused on different efforts to do the same thing | 17:30 |
jroll | lucasagomes: honestly the thing josh was working on was really only about graduation, we don't care to use it. | 17:30 |
NobodyCam | and I also do like the idea of a ironic dashboard | 17:30 |
lucasagomes | right | 17:30 |
JoshNang | i've asked before if anyone wanted to pick it up, no takers yet | 17:30 |
dtantsur | zhenguo, also, tuskar UI is under Horizon program. why do you want to put this thing under the baremetal? | 17:30 |
lucasagomes | I think that, as any project that wants to be part of the Ironic umbrella it needs to first go somewhere else | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | mature | 17:31 |
zhenguo | dtantsur, not really split, I reuse some code of that | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | and then we can talk about including it or not | 17:31 |
NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:31 |
dtantsur | lucasagomes, ++ | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | it seems that this project is not at this stage already | 17:31 |
jroll | +1 | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | we cna give a feedback on the idea, so yes having a dashboard is nice | 17:31 |
zhenguo | yes, maybe I can put it to stackforge first | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | but I won't discuss this project specifics because it's not yet time | 17:31 |
lucasagomes | zhenguo, +1 | 17:31 |
NobodyCam | how about we give Ironic folk a week or so to look at it and revisit in next meeting? | 17:32 |
dtantsur | ++ for stackforge, and I believe it should aim for Horizon program, not for Ironic | 17:32 |
lucasagomes | that was the path for bifrost, IPA and inspector (discoverd at the time) | 17:32 |
NobodyCam | oh I like starting on stackforge | 17:32 |
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NobodyCam | ++ | 17:32 |
lucasagomes | once we have something substential we can promote it to the ironic umbrella if people have an agreement | 17:32 |
jroll | NobodyCam: I think it's clear it needs to mature, let's not spend another meeting on it :) | 17:32 |
lucasagomes | because we then commit to maintain it | 17:32 |
NobodyCam | jroll: ack + | 17:32 |
rloo | i don't think this is solely up to the cores. I'd like to hear from the ironic community as to whether this is wanted/useful to them. | 17:32 |
zhenguo | so as a horizon and tuskar-ui core member, I think I can enrich it quickly. | 17:33 |
lucasagomes | rloo, +1 | 17:33 |
jroll | zhenguo: I suggest you (and your team?) discuss this more with the ironic team in our channel, and we can work together on it. it was quite odd having this much code dropped without hearing anything about it | 17:33 |
NobodyCam | I'm going to put a action item for zhenguo to put it up on stackforge | 17:33 |
rloo | I'd prefer if a discussion/something is mentioned in email so the community is aware of it | 17:34 |
dtantsur | rloo, ++, and so that comments are not lost | 17:34 |
jroll | rloo: +1, zhenguo can you send an email to the list once it's on stackforge? | 17:34 |
NobodyCam | #action zhenguo put Ironic dashup on stackforge and bring attention to it via the ML | 17:34 |
lucasagomes | yeah an email to the ML. Saying your working on a dashboard | 17:34 |
NobodyCam | ^^ ?? | 17:34 |
jroll | +1 NobodyCam | 17:34 |
lucasagomes | and people can even start to collaborate | 17:34 |
lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 | 17:34 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:34 |
rloo | or come out of the woodwork with their own 'UI'... | 17:34 |
zhenguo | yes, | 17:35 |
lucasagomes | and ofc, zhenguo thanks for that! | 17:35 |
krtaylor | zhenguo, http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 17:35 |
zhenguo | thanks krtaylor | 17:35 |
NobodyCam | zhenguo: yes this is a great start :) I look frward to seeing wheree it goes | 17:35 |
krtaylor | ++ for stackforge, zhenguo, I just did this, let m ekno wif you have questions | 17:35 |
sambetts | It might be worth talking to the horizon team about this too because I know they are working on something to split the different project panels out into separate repos <project-name>-ui e.g. magnum-ui etc. | 17:36 |
NobodyCam | sambetts: good point | 17:36 |
jroll | sambetts: that's what this is | 17:36 |
jroll | zhenguo is a horizon core | 17:36 |
sambetts | :) awesome | 17:36 |
NobodyCam | awesome.. good to move on? | 17:37 |
zhenguo | ok | 17:37 |
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NobodyCam | #topic Mircoversion guideline | 17:37 |
NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/187112 | 17:37 |
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alex_xu | NobodyCam: thanks, it's my turn | 17:37 |
NobodyCam | yep | 17:37 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:37 |
alex_xu | really hope you guys can give suggestion for microversion guideline in api-wg. The current version I think already address the concern between nova and ironic. Hope this can merged early then avoid there is third version created by other project :) | 17:37 |
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alex_xu | the only different I think it is error response body compare to ironic spec. So I think the review won't be too hard. :) | 17:38 |
alex_xu | And one question I want to ask quickly at here | 17:38 |
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alex_xu | neutron is going to implement microversion also. There is one more thing is "experimental" flag, which introduced in nova spec also, but nova currently don't want to support it. So want to you guys opinion whether Ironic want to support it. | 17:38 |
rloo | alex_xu: to date, ironic hasn't used the 'experimental' flag. | 17:38 |
jroll | alex_xu: as in an experimental microversion? | 17:38 |
jroll | I'd be very -1 on that | 17:38 |
lucasagomes | yeah we didn't use any experimetal flag | 17:39 |
rloo | alex_xu: does any project want the experimental flag? If not, just delete it. | 17:39 |
alex_xu | jroll: yes, it is expected to be a method to introduce new api | 17:39 |
dtantsur | oh please no | 17:39 |
rloo | I feel dtantsur's pain | 17:39 |
jroll | nova-baremetal was experimental, we saw how that went | 17:39 |
alex_xu | rloo: only in neutron spec now, neutron didn't implement it yet | 17:39 |
dtantsur | btw I'm planning to have basic support for microversions for inspector as well https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic-inspector/+spec/api-versioning | 17:39 |
jroll | -2 on ironic using the experimental flag from me | 17:39 |
rloo | -2 also. Just delete it and wait for (hopefully never) some project to ask for it. | 17:40 |
alex_xu | yea, people have concern that is a way to enable non-standard api | 17:40 |
lucasagomes | yeah, if it's exposed people will use it | 17:40 |
lucasagomes | regardless | 17:40 |
alex_xu | ok, looks like nova and ironic on same side, let me talk with neutron team :) | 17:40 |
rloo | well, we'd block it (I hope) but don't even provide it as a possibility. makes it easier then :) | 17:41 |
NobodyCam | ya | 17:41 |
jroll | to be clear | 17:41 |
jroll | I'm okay with it being part of the api-wg guidelines, saying it's ok | 17:41 |
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alex_xu | ok, thanks all, no more question, but please help me on the review, really hope get consistent between nova and ironic first :) | 17:41 |
jroll | but I will never let a patch with that flag land in ironic | 17:41 |
alex_xu | jroll: ok, I see now | 17:42 |
rloo | jroll: but if that is in the guidelines, *someone* will say, hey, it is in the guidelines, so why can't it go into ironic. easier not to have that discussion. | 17:42 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:43 |
NobodyCam | any other question for alex_xu | 17:43 |
jroll | rloo: that's what the -2 is for :P | 17:43 |
jroll | anyway | 17:43 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, on thing is not clear in guidelines IMO | 17:43 |
rloo | and jroll, we don't know who the future core reviewers will be for Ironic ;) | 17:43 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, in Ironic we used to "hide" new features, when old version is used | 17:43 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, we (at least some of us) no longer want to do it for non-breaking changes | 17:44 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, not sure if it's implied by the guideline or not | 17:44 |
rloo | dtantsur: oh, my head hurts. did we decide that? not to hide new features? | 17:44 |
alex_xu | ok, how about ask neutron team opinion again, if they still think expermentail usefule for them, I will bring this up to ML again, to see if whether we need put in api-wg | 17:45 |
dtantsur | rloo, we had an agreement between me, mordred and devananda :) but I'm close to -2 anything that will hide new features | 17:45 |
dtantsur | I was actually planning to propose patch removing this behavior for existing non-breaking microversions, and see what people say | 17:46 |
rloo | dtantsur: oh, didn't know that. we need some way to capture/communicate those things. | 17:46 |
NobodyCam | dtantsur: I'd like to see that patch | 17:46 |
NobodyCam | rloo: I believe it was just chatter at this point | 17:47 |
alex_xu | dtantsur: hide new features in old version is behavior nova we have i think | 17:47 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, that's what I'm strongly opposed to | 17:47 |
dtantsur | (and won't implement for inspector) | 17:47 |
rloo | alex_xu: guidelines are 'guidelines'. it doesn't mean that they have to be followed, right? | 17:48 |
alex_xu | dtantsur: why? the new feature only be introduced by new microversion | 17:48 |
dtantsur | alex_xu, I don't see a sane reason to do it for non-breaking change | 17:48 |
jroll | can we not have this conversation here for the millionth time | 17:48 |
dtantsur | (I obviously see a reason for a breaking change) | 17:48 |
jroll | take it to the ML | 17:48 |
lucasagomes | heh yeah | 17:48 |
dtantsur | jroll, ++ | 17:48 |
NobodyCam | ++ | 17:48 |
alex_xu | rloo: emm...but the goal is we have consistent implementation, at least for the part people want to supported I think | 17:48 |
alex_xu | jroll: ok | 17:49 |
jroll | alex_xu: sorry, but we've had this conversation in ironic a million times | 17:49 |
jroll | and we only have 10 minutes left | 17:49 |
dtantsur | ... and we can't come to agreement anyway | 17:49 |
NobodyCam | yep: | 17:49 |
rloo | jroll: but the decision is affected by the guidelines, depending on what it means to have guidelines. | 17:49 |
jroll | rloo: then review the guideline spec. | 17:49 |
alex_xu | jroll: I see, thanks let me talk about this also :) | 17:49 |
rloo | dtantsur: ^^ | 17:49 |
NobodyCam | ok moving on? | 17:50 |
jroll | +1 | 17:50 |
lucasagomes | yes | 17:50 |
NobodyCam | #topic Open Discussion / Food For Thought | 17:50 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion / Food For Thought (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:50 | |
* jroll eats this thought food | 17:50 | |
NobodyCam | that was the last topic on the agenda | 17:50 |
dtantsur | nom-nom | 17:50 |
jlvillal | alex_xu: I wanted to say thanks for staying up so late to discuss this. | 17:50 |
lucasagomes | alex_xu, yeah totally, thank you | 17:50 |
alex_xu | jlvillal: :) | 17:50 |
jroll | if nobody has open discussion items feel free to continue with microversion discussions I guess | 17:50 |
NobodyCam | alex_xu: and for all the work you've put on this .. | 17:51 |
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alex_xu | lucasagomes: np | 17:51 |
lucasagomes | naohirot, you had some concerns in the other topic. If u want to bring it up here | 17:51 |
jroll | but wanted folks to be able to speak up on other things | 17:51 |
NobodyCam | rloo: you had somehting I cut you off from above? | 17:51 |
jroll | lucasagomes: so I think in general it sounds like we aren't communicating priorities down to driver authors etc | 17:51 |
jroll | lucasagomes: or people not active in the day-to-day discussions in general | 17:51 |
rloo | NobodyCam: nope, i'm good. oh the subteam stuff. | 17:51 |
rloo | NobodyCam: did we want to decide about adding bifrost/inspector to subteam reports? | 17:52 |
lucasagomes | jroll, right, yeah well reviewing stuff is a bottleneck for us :-( | 17:52 |
rloo | jroll: +1. i thought there was some etherpad with liberty priorities. am trying to recall if it (priorities) was in the email deva sent out. | 17:52 |
wanyen | +1 fro adding bifrost and inspector to subteam report | 17:53 |
NobodyCam | rloo: I do like reading the subteam reports on the whiteboard just to keep uptodate on what going on | 17:53 |
jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, but sounds like naohirot has no ideas about what our priorities are right now (boot/deploy split etc) | 17:53 |
dtantsur | rloo, we can have a lazy consensus :) | 17:53 |
lucasagomes | we had a spreadsheet last cycle with some priorities | 17:53 |
dtantsur | +MANY of the spreadsheet again | 17:53 |
jroll | rloo: this was around brainstorming so not sure how accurate https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-priorities | 17:53 |
dtantsur | * for | 17:53 |
naohirot | lucasagomes: I got out of sync | 17:53 |
rloo | NobodyCam: if people think it would be useful to have bifrost/inspector, let's add them then. | 17:53 |
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rloo | NobodyCam: as long as dtantsur and TheJulia are OK with providing that info :) | 17:53 |
jroll | yeah, that priorities etherpad isn't very clear | 17:54 |
lucasagomes | naohirot, I see, I think we all are kinda out of sync in the priorities right now? I think we all agree boot and deploy split is one of them | 17:54 |
lucasagomes | the network is another I would say | 17:54 |
* dtantsur thinks ENROLL state aka finishing the damned state machine is a priority as well | 17:54 | |
jroll | lol, +1 dtantsur | 17:54 |
lucasagomes | yeah | 17:54 |
NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ | 17:55 |
lucasagomes | so let's put it down folks in a spreadsheet like we had for Kilo? If people agree with it | 17:55 |
* NobodyCam will try and get reviews done while traveling | 17:55 | |
jroll | I'll admit we've been horrible about reviewing the irmc patches | 17:55 |
wanyen | jroll, any update from networking neturon vlan and port aggregation? | 17:55 |
lucasagomes | or etherpad, whatever is best | 17:55 |
* naohirot I was invited to another channel. so I got lost what we are discussing right now | 17:55 | |
NobodyCam | naohirot: it Open Discussion | 17:56 |
NobodyCam | it's* | 17:56 |
rloo | we should have priorities 'spelled out' for each cycle. somewhere. | 17:56 |
NobodyCam | with 4 minutes left | 17:56 |
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jroll | rloo: lucasagomes +1 | 17:56 |
jlvillal | +1 on documenting priorities | 17:56 |
naohirot | maybe I'll ask in the ironic channel. | 17:56 |
jlvillal | If priorities could be linked to patches for review, that is a big bonus too. | 17:56 |
NobodyCam | we can get BadCub to help there I believe | 17:56 |
* jlvillal realizes that takes a lot of work to keep that in sync. | 17:57 | |
rloo | i think email is good wrt priorities. etherpad is good too as long as folks don't modify it (too much). otherwise, the priorities will change and i won't know. | 17:57 |
NobodyCam | tracking and keeping things organazided | 17:57 |
dtantsur | ++ for assigning BadCub to everything :) | 17:57 |
NobodyCam | lol | 17:57 |
TheJulia | ++ | 17:57 |
lucasagomes | jlvillal, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit?pli=1#gid=1604970109 | 17:57 |
lucasagomes | that's what we had | 17:57 |
dtantsur | we can continue it.. | 17:57 |
NobodyCam | ya | 17:58 |
rloo | if it was clear wat the priorities were, would it help folks wrt reviews. i am a bit doubtful but i guess it won't hurt. | 17:58 |
lucasagomes | yeah we can create another tab for Liberty | 17:58 |
lucasagomes | and continue that | 17:58 |
dtantsur | rloo, it will help folks not to be disappointed that they're not getting too much attention. maybe.. | 17:58 |
NobodyCam | ++ for tab per cycle! | 17:58 |
NobodyCam | rloo: and helps keep me focused | 17:58 |
jlvillal | First tab for current cycle :) | 17:58 |
* NobodyCam can get sidetracked esaliy | 17:58 | |
rloo | NobodyCam: well, if it will help you, then yes! | 17:59 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:59 |
lucasagomes | jlvillal, heh ack | 17:59 |
* jlvillal thinks order should be reversed. So tabs are in reverse chronological order | 17:59 | |
rloo | thanks for volunteering BadCub! | 17:59 |
NobodyCam | lol.. he has had to step away | 17:59 |
dtantsur | :) | 17:59 |
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dtantsur | that's why we did it so easily, no? | 17:59 |
NobodyCam | he'll read al this in the log | 17:59 |
rloo | NobodyCam: that's fine. it is recorded here in the logs :) | 17:59 |
NobodyCam | one minute | 18:00 |
dtantsur | we can have #agreed on it :D | 18:00 |
rloo | dtantsur: or action item... ? | 18:00 |
dtantsur | ++ | 18:00 |
dtantsur | we're out of time | 18:00 |
TheJulia | I thought we already had an action item for that | 18:00 |
lucasagomes | right I will put something in the spreadsheet | 18:00 |
lucasagomes | let's wrap it up | 18:00 |
lucasagomes | thank you all for the meeting! | 18:01 |
dtantsur | thanks! | 18:01 |
NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:01 |
sambetts | thanks o/ | 18:01 |
cinerama | thanks folks | 18:01 |
jlvillal | Ciao | 18:01 |
NobodyCam | see ya in channel | 18:01 |
NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 18:01:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-15-17.02.html | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-15-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-06-15-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
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