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Caleb--i'm looking for a way to test our product on large openstack deployments. is there a way to create a deployment that has an arbitrarily large amount of "fake" VMs (without actually allocating comptuer resources). for example, i'd like to create an deployment with 10,000 VM instances13:57
Caleb--this would allow me to test how the openstack APIs work in these scenarios13:57
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flaper87vkmc: kragniz ?15:00
vkmco/15:00
flaper87#startmeeting Zaqar15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 15 15:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'15:00
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kragnizo/15:00
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ryansb\o15:02
flaper87ok ok15:02
flaper87#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda15:02
flaper87That's our agenda for today15:02
flaper87I believe we don't have pending action items from last time15:02
flaper87lets get to our agenda right away15:02
flaper87#topic Specs15:02
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flaper87We still have some specs to review15:03
flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188662/15:03
flaper87flwang: is not around today (NZ) but I wanted to bring that spec to your attention15:03
flaper87SpamapS left very good comments that should simplify that spec and the implementation, I hope15:03
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flaper87There are several deployers impacts that will need to be well documented15:04
flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188770/15:04
flaper87vkmc: ^15:04
flaper87updates ?15:04
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flaper87vkmc: ?15:04
* flaper87 shakes vkmc15:05
vkmcwait!15:05
* flaper87 waits15:05
flaper87:D15:05
vkmcso in reply to ryansb comments15:05
vkmcwell, only for the how to delimit messages15:05
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vkmcI honestly didn't check the pubsub for Autobahn15:05
vkmcI was delimiting messages by having an array of messages15:06
vkmcprobably not the best15:06
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dynarroo/15:06
vkmcI could check it out thoug h15:06
flaper87ryansb:was that comment referring to pushing notifications back to users?15:06
flaper87dynarro: loooook who's late15:06
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dynarroflaper87: Im sorry!!!15:06
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vkmcapart from that, the messages api is for review and the claims one is done, I just need to upload it15:07
flaper87apparently ryansb is sleeping15:07
vkmcand finish the unit tests15:07
diga__o/15:07
ryansbvkmc: the thing with that is users can't parse a partial array15:07
flaper87vkmc: good, I have (still) half of the patch reviewed15:07
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flaper87:P15:08
* flaper87 hands coffee to ryansb15:08
vkmcryansb, I see your point15:08
flaper87or should I hand you something for lunch15:08
ryansbso if you send along an array of 100 messages, they can't use it15:08
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ryansbuntil all of them arrive15:08
vkmcthe only thing is that Autobahn can transfer bits or plain text only15:08
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vkmcso we were returning only one response with a set of messages15:09
ryansbwhereas with a pubsub through autobahn or a delimited wire protocol, messages can be used as they come in15:09
vkmcmaybe we could decouple that and create n responses15:09
flaper87ryansb: by sending one message at a time, though.15:09
ryansbyes, one at a time15:09
ryansbone way I'd like would be to use netstrings15:10
ryansbso the format would be15:10
vkmcsweet15:10
vkmcyou would like to encode the message or all the response?15:10
ryansb<number of bytes><JSON of a single message>15:11
flaper87I like the idea15:11
ryansbI don't see why we couldn't do the whole response like so15:12
flaper87vkmc: mind investigating on that and add it to the spec?15:12
ryansb<num bytes><JSON about the messages that will come in, e.g. how many, etc><num bytes><JSON of message>....15:12
vkmcflaper87, sure15:12
ryansbso the caller could still know that it's got N more messages coming in15:12
ryansbbut could start using them as they come, instead of waiting15:13
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vkmcsounds good15:13
ryansband since we tell them how many bytes each chunk is, there's no escaping headaches15:13
ryansbthey just read N bytes15:13
vkmcI'll also check for the pubsub Autobahn mechanism15:14
flaper87That sounds good to me15:14
flaper87vkmc: cool15:14
flaper87#action vkmc to check netstrings for websocket responses15:14
flaper87#action vkmc to check Autobahn's pubsub15:15
ryansbOk. I've never used the autobahn one, just heard it's a thing15:15
flaper87ok, that way I make sure vkmc won't lie to me next week15:15
flaper87:P15:15
vkmcdamn15:15
vkmcyou are good15:15
vkmchaha15:15
flaper87yeah, lets read about it and see which one works best15:15
vkmcthanks ryansb for the suggestion :)15:15
flaper87ok, anything else?15:16
vkmcit will make the implementation much better15:16
vkmcflaper87, review my patch15:16
vkmcnothing else15:16
flaper87vkmc: what about flwang ?15:16
ryansbnp15:16
flaper87ah ?15:16
flaper87ah?15:16
flaper87uisssh15:16
flaper87ok, moving on15:17
vkmcflwang, you know what to do after reading the log15:17
flaper87#topic Client progress15:17
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flaper87dynarro: updates ?15:17
flaper87where are you at on your spec?15:17
dynarroI'm fixing all the things vkmc and you commented on15:17
dynarroI'm now working on that15:18
flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190706/15:18
flaper87FYI ^15:18
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flaper87dynarro: any blockers?15:18
flaper87I believe Zaqar's patch landed15:18
flaper87(the one that fixes the bug you were blocked on)15:18
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flaper87diga__: updates from you?15:19
dynarrowell I was trying all tests and i's giving me server-errors15:19
dynarrolike poolNotFound15:19
dynarroI'm trying to figure out what changed15:20
flaper87dynarro: ok, let us know15:20
dynarroflaper87: count on it ;)15:20
flaper87diga__: ?15:20
flaper87exploreshaifali: ?15:21
flaper87updates on the client work?15:21
flaper87ok, moving on15:21
exploreshaifaliflaper87, diga said he is sure he will work on CLI and will complete it by 2515:21
flaper87#topic Server updates15:21
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flaper87#undo15:22
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9ba9090>15:22
flaper87exploreshaifali: ah ok, thanks for the update15:22
exploreshaifalihe will also cover pools task15:22
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flaper87exploreshaifali: wait, weren't you going to work on that?15:22
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exploreshaifalithat is what I was about to say15:22
exploreshaifaliI have no assigned work if he will complete it15:23
flaper87exploreshaifali: mmh, I believe there are also other things in the CLI to work on. You should split the work15:23
exploreshaifalisure15:23
flaper87exploreshaifali: otherwise, I already have something else for you15:23
flaper87:)15:23
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exploreshaifaliSo I will take my pools task back :)15:23
flaper87on the server side, though.15:23
flaper87exploreshaifali: go go go15:23
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exploreshaifaliokay15:23
diga__flaper87: Hi15:24
flaper87diga__: there you are15:24
flaper87Any chance you can split the CLI tasks with exploreshaifali ?15:24
flaper87since she was already looking into it as well15:24
flaper87There's plenty to do there, TBH.15:24
vkmcyeah, the client certainly needs some love15:25
diga__I am now working a CLI for queue CRUD openrations15:25
exploreshaifalidiga__, what about if I will add the pools support for CLI?15:25
diga__but As I see here queue CLI patches are there15:26
vkmcdiga__, IIRC there is queue, messages and claims15:26
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exploreshaifalihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/122611/15:27
vkmcexploreshaifali, you could take pools and flavors?15:27
vkmcI dunno if we want cli for flavors15:27
vkmcflaper87, ^15:27
flaper87yes, we do!15:27
vkmcwe do15:27
vkmc:D15:27
flaper87We need to provide tools for OPs to manage Zaqar15:27
exploreshaifali:D15:27
vkmcyeah15:27
vkmcalso, I dunno if we should also consider to get out client under openstackclient15:28
vkmcbut that is for another time I guess15:28
vkmcwe are already using openstackclient so it wouldn't be so hard15:28
ryansbvkmc: FWIW heat is a client plugin15:28
diga__vkmc, flaper87 : anything is fine for me,15:28
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ryansbwhich is (IMO) a good way to go for operator tools15:28
flaper87ryansb: what do you mean?15:28
ryansbinstead of going in-tree of openstackclient15:29
flaper87zaqarclient is a pure library, the CLI stuff is implemented as a plugin for openstackclient15:29
vkmcryansb, actually that should work better15:29
ryansbuse the hooks to show up as a plugin15:29
vkmcyes yes15:29
flaper87ryansb: ah yeah, that's exactly how zaqarclient works15:29
ryansboh, k, thought you were talking about moving in-tree15:29
flaper87no no15:29
ryansbkk15:29
flaper87diga__: it'd be nice if you and exploreshaifali could split the work so we can complete support there15:29
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exploreshaifaliflaper87, he said he is fine in splitting work, so I will work for pools and flavors15:30
flaper87cool15:30
* flaper87 loves collaboration15:30
exploreshaifali:)15:30
flaper87ok, moving on15:30
flaper87#topic Server updates15:31
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flaper87kragniz: updates on the policy stuff ?15:31
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kragnizvery little done :(15:31
kragnizthe weekend was not as zaqar filled as I'd hoped15:31
flaper87kragniz: no worries, it's good to know that there's a little done15:31
flaper87:)15:31
flaper87will sync again next week15:31
kragniza small ray of hope!15:32
flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190630/15:32
flaper87^ that landed15:32
flaper87that means the minimum required version for pymongo is now 3.0.215:32
flaper87That's good because we can focus the implementation on 1 version15:32
vkmc<315:32
flaper87instead of supporting 215:32
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flaper87I'll update the patch soonish15:33
vkmcyeah!15:33
kragnizwoo!15:33
flaper87I have little done for the pre-signed url but I'm expecting to boost it this week15:33
ryansbneat15:33
flaper87Other than that, dynarro has helped a lot in finding bugs in the server15:33
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diga__sure flaper8715:33
flaper87And I while I was setting up a zaqar with mongo for data and sqlalchemy for management I found out our mongodb controllers assume the queue controller is on mongodb15:34
flaper87that's bad15:34
flaper87really bad15:34
dynarro:)15:34
diga__exploreshaifali: I will take a pools, you can work for flavors15:34
diga__because there is less work for queue side15:34
flaper87we need to fix that asap so, either one of you take it or I will (Which means I'll put pre-signed URL on hold a bit)15:34
flaper87but I'd like to fix those issues sooner rather than later15:34
ryansbyeah, they do :(15:34
flaper87as they impact deployment15:35
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flaper87(and usability)15:35
flaper87ryansb: :(15:35
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flaper87that's because queue's used to be part of the data plane15:35
flaper87not necessarily a valid excuse but it was indeed expected to work before15:35
flaper87something we didn't review well enough, I guess15:35
ryansbalso impacts my swift patch15:36
exploreshaifalidiga__, fine :)15:36
flaper87Anyway, I'll take that as no and fix the issue myself15:36
flaper87ryansb: LOL, you're right15:36
flaper87sorry about that15:36
flaper87:D15:36
diga__exploreshaifali: thanks !15:36
vkmcbooo, we want the swift driver15:36
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flaper87ryansb: want to share something about the driver?15:36
flaper87I saw a patch showing up15:37
flaper87:)15:37
ryansbhow do you want those sorts of bugs reported, btw? launchpad?15:37
ryansbYeah, so I have claims sorta-ish working15:37
ryansbbatch ops work (bulk_get/delete)15:37
ryansband ID ops work15:37
ryansbTTLs work15:37
ryansbqueue create works, but not queue delete AFAIK15:37
ryansband message indices are sharded, but queues are not (yet)15:38
flaper87ryansb: yeah, launchpad sounds good.15:38
ryansbso it's coming right along15:38
ryansbI do need to pick someone's brain about getting your test suite to run against it15:38
ryansbbecause it seems like you have a suite per driver, so I guess I'd need to add a swift-specific test suite15:39
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ryansbbut that's something we can chat about after the meeting15:39
flaper87ryansb: there's a base suite that should be generic for all drivers15:39
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flaper87(functional suite)15:40
flaper87The unittest one I believe is specific15:40
* flaper87 doesn't even remember15:40
flaper87:P15:40
ryansbk15:40
flaper87we need to refactor those tests15:40
ryansbsummary: it's going ok, but I suspect it'll be higher latency than the redis/mongo drivers15:40
flaper87gotcha15:40
ryansbthough I think it'll scale more linearly, since Swift is good at scaling out15:40
flaper87anything you had to do differently than other drivers?15:41
flaper87I remember you mentioning eventlet15:41
ryansbyeah, haven't explored eventlet yet15:41
ryansbso right now it's the same15:41
ryansbbut before I merge it I want to add eventlet b/c it has so many HTTP calls to swift15:41
flaper87got it15:42
flaper87thanks for the update, looking forward to see those gates green15:42
ryansband swift doesn't have batch operations for some stuff15:42
ryansbso I'd like to parallelize some calls15:42
ryansbso having an eventlet pool would help enormously15:42
flaper87yeah, that makes sense.15:43
flaper87ok, that's all we have15:43
flaper87#topic Open Discussion15:43
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flaper87weekly reminder YOU ALL ROCK!15:43
* flaper87 sends cake to the team15:44
exploreshaifali\o/15:44
flaper87if no one has anything to add, we can call it15:44
flaper87ok, thanks folks!15:45
vkmcnothing else from me15:45
vkmc!15:45
flaper87have an amazing week15:45
ryansb\o15:45
vkmcthanks all, have a great week o/15:45
flaper87talk to you next week and remember, next week the meeting is at 21 UTC!15:45
vkmcsame bat channel15:45
flaper87#endmeeting15:46
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vkmcflaper87, suuuuuuuure15:46
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j^2#startmeeting openstack-chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 15 16:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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j^2hey everyone!16:00
markvanHowdy16:00
j^2i’ll give a couple mins to let people join16:00
j^2#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-chef-meeting-2015061516:00
sc`hi!16:01
j^2:D16:02
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j^2ok, cool, two mins16:03
markvanouch, zuul looks a bit off today...16:04
j^2do’h, if yall don’t know about it:16:04
j^2https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190785/16:04
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j^2#topic <sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge16:05
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j^2any update here?16:05
sc`i'm working on adding the rdo-manager repos into common based on feedback i've received16:05
j^2nice16:06
jklare_o/16:06
j^2#topic  <markvan> for ubuntu, still have the outstanding libvirt issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/143928016:06
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1439280 in nova (Ubuntu Vivid) "Libvirt CPU affinity error" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:06
j^2markvan: any update here?16:07
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markvanThat was finally fixed in the ubuntu repo we use, yeh!16:07
j^2sweet!16:07
j^2so is it safe to say we can start building our testing stack reliably now?16:08
j^2with ubuntu that is16:08
markvanyup16:09
j^2rock on!16:09
markvanthat's what I'm basing my CI Beta tests upon for now.16:09
j^2#topic markvan’s ci story16:10
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j^2good segway there16:10
j^2want to give us a quick or indepth progress report?16:10
markvanyup, so I'm been trying to figure out if it's possible to run a very simple/basic CI that would just use the existing gate job node as a starting point.16:11
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markvanthis means spinning up the openstack-chef-repo all in one type test directly within the gate job node.16:11
markvanI have two patches out there right now that show the basic idea.16:11
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j^2awesome16:12
markvanhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/185085/  and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188924/16:12
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markvanThe repo should go in frist, and then the one for each of the cookbooks can leverage that to make it very simple ot implement.  It leave much of the control right in the repo, so future changes should be easy, just one patch.16:13
j^2the repo one still doesn’t have the building of the neutron networks though16:14
markvanFor tests, I'm doing a few basic query and a nova boot, then running the tempest we have setup in the integration cookbook.16:14
markvanYup, some of the work left to do is the networking side of this.   I believe the gate job node only has 1 nic, so we need a very simple network setup.16:14
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j^2ah nice16:15
markvanIn that regard, I created a new test repo env, integration-aio-neutron.son to help develop that16:15
markvanright now it's just a enought to allow a converge(s) to complete and a boot to work, so we can at least "kick the tires" a bit for now.16:16
jklare_i think if we can add a basic aio nova gate which is utilized for all cookbook, that would be more than enough for the kilo release and we can do the rest in liberty16:16
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markvanyup, I agree, I'm trying to jsut get the very basic/mvp done here so at least kilo will have something.16:17
j^2getting a aio nova build that can ping out would be great, but at the same time a aio neutron build would be crazy impressive16:17
markvanyup, just a steady gate job will be a big step16:18
j^2agreed16:18
markvanSo, please review my couple patches, the repo one really contains all the good stuff. and we'll go from there.16:19
j^2:D16:19
j^2works for me!16:19
j^2sc`: any thoughts?16:19
jklare_markvan sadly the check experimental jobs seem to be super slow...16:20
markvanOn a side note, one of the issues is cross cookbook patches, and how to test them in a CI gate (using Depends-On in commit msg.)   My test-patch tool in the repo does handle this already, but I think some refactoring needs to be done to make this type of this would in a zuul CI test.16:20
markvanyup, experimental get very low priority16:21
j^2yeah that makes sense16:21
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j^2#topic 0.6.0 ChefDK16:22
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markvanyeah, still not 0.6.x release, so I say we wait a bit on this...I see a buch of good activity on the DK.16:23
j^2yeah it’s an extremely fast moving project16:23
j^2it’ll have nightlies here soon16:23
markvanI don't see an issue with leaving kilo where it is, and maybe moving this after the branch to Liberty.16:24
j^2seems reasonable16:24
j^2we arent gaing much by tracking master. and with a stable cut soon the idea of something that is soild and repeatble is more valubale then something shiny new16:25
jklare_+116:25
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j^2we want people view our stable branches and something that can be “production ready” or EXTREMELY close to drop in production ready16:26
j^2obviously it depends on the environment and what you want, but you get the point16:26
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markvanagreed16:27
j^2#topic kilo stable/branch cut16:27
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j^2markvan: i know you got some thoughts here :)16:28
markvanYeah, I think content wise we have what we need in kilo now.  so was thinking of setting a tentitive date for doing the branching, maybe in 2-3 weeks?16:29
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jklare_+1 for 2 weeks16:30
j^2i’d prefer before i commit to anything personally, i see both ubuntu and centos sucessfully build then set the 2 weeks16:31
j^2i still havent see it build :(16:31
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jklare_btw, do we want to keep the gate job experimental or move it in in kilo?16:31
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j^2i think we move it in kilo16:33
jklare_in that case, i think 2 weeks are a bit too optimistic16:33
markvanWe could move it in, but leave it non-voting?   Since I think there is more work needed here to stablilze it, i'm worried that every tweak of infra will cause it to fail16:34
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jklare_i think non-voting is a good option16:34
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j^2the more i think about it non-voting seems like a great option16:38
markvanAnd was wondering about using the perodic queue to maybe have the repo test run once a day?   That way we cover more of the cross cookbook issues right now.16:39
markvanso, when we put up a patch, it would include running the repo CI gate for it's patches and once a day as well.16:40
markvanpatch/ the infra patch/16:40
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j^2can we see up a periodic test?16:40
j^2i’m still reading the infra-manual16:41
jklare_i think we should totally do that, since we pull in a lot of external dependencies and we only see the errors when pushing a new patch16:41
markvanyup, I think it's pretty easy, it's just another gate, but controlled by time, rather then patches.16:41
markvanjklare_: yup, exactly16:41
markvanthat would give us more time to work out the details on how to make the Depends-On commit hook work for us in down the road16:42
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j^2nice, i’d like to take a crack at the new gate to build daily16:43
markvanand it would give us a heads up on when infra has tweaked something that breaks us, we'll know sooner...16:43
jklare_sounds good16:44
jklare_i can do the infra patches :)16:44
j^2jklare_: :( ok, go ahead :)16:44
markvanwe could also consider just starting there for kilo and not have the individual gates on each cookbook until liberty?   (step softly at first...16:45
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jklare_so just the chef-repo patch, non-voting gate on patch and periodic?16:48
j^2jklare_: that seems correct yeah16:48
jklare_fits better into the timeframw of two weeks i think16:48
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markvanyes, and will then be in place already for liberty which will help from day one.16:49
j^2agreed16:49
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markvanI think with just that in place we will learn a great deal on how to do cookbook CI...16:50
jklare_but i am not sure if we can move the integration test in for only the chef-repo16:50
jklare_that would probably mean either always failing and non-voting jobs for all cookbooks or another ugly regexp16:50
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j^2jklare_: not following16:51
markvanyeah, good point. but it you just went for the periodic on the repo, that would work, right?16:51
markvanit/if/16:52
jklare_j^2 all the tests run for all of our repos are defined in one template, and if we move something between queues, that has an effect on all cookbooks ( the only option to avoid that is filtering with ugly regexps for specific job names)16:52
j^2ooooh16:52
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jklare_markvan i can check how to do that and either push a patch until next monday or report why its not working ;)16:53
markvansounds good16:54
j^2:D16:54
j^2#topic Open discussion16:55
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j^2anything else?16:56
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markvanAbandon the grizzly and havana patches?16:56
j^2yeah, i think that’s resonablp16:56
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sc`how about icehouse?16:57
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sc`some of the patches passed the gates, others did not16:58
j^2i’m torn on icehouse16:58
j^2our policy is n-116:58
markvanyeah, I guess if someone wants to work on those unit test issues, it's fine with me.16:58
j^2granted Juno is “lts” so it’ll be around for as long 1404 is16:58
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* jroll is so ready for this meeting.17:01
markvanAnd one last sync patch to go: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191810/   (after that goes in, I'll respin the CI beta tests.)17:01
markvanand this will be needed now that the library went in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181430/17:01
* cdearborn cdearborn 1st time attending17:01
jklare_markvan just pushed jenkins to check it again17:01
j^2#endmeeting17:01
NobodyCamThis is not the Ironic meeting yet!17:01
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NobodyCamthank you j^217:02
jrollheh, thanks j^217:02
krtaylorah, ok17:02
j^2sorry about that17:02
NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic17:02
NobodyCam#chair devananda17:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 15 17:02:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:02
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda17:02
dtantsuro/17:02
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:17:02
NobodyCam#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting17:02
krtayloro/17:02
TheJuliao/17:02
zhenguoo/17:02
NobodyCamFYI: Nobodycam is in poor bandwidth area and may drop at any moment17:02
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alex_xuo/17:02
NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements17:02
NobodyCamRoll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting?17:02
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cdearborno/17:02
naohiroto/17:02
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NobodyCam:) welcome all17:02
rlooo/17:02
lucasagomeso/17:02
jroll\o17:02
TheJuliaGood UGT everyone. :)17:03
cineramahi17:03
NobodyCamgreat to see everyone thhis fine monday17:03
jlvillalo/17:03
NobodyCamlets kickk this off17:03
NobodyCam#topic announcements:17:03
NobodyCamDevananda IS in Tel Aviv. WE hope he's having fun :)17:03
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lucasagomessounds sunny :-)17:04
NobodyCamNobodyCam: and BadCub: are also traveling this week17:04
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NobodyCamI here tel Aviv is quite warm this time of year17:04
BadCubeep.. sorry.. lateness happened17:04
NobodyCam:)17:04
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NobodyCamany other announcements17:04
NobodyCamBadCub: I know you have to leave early. want to talk about the mid-cycle?17:05
BadCubNobodyCam: yeah17:05
NobodyCam#topic Mid-Cycle17:05
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BadCubSpoke with devananda this morning. He has sent a request to Facilities at HP Seattle to host the mid-cycle Aug 12-14.17:06
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BadCubPolling for dates is considered officially closed17:06
NobodyCamdo you have the poll results?17:06
BadCubgetting now17:06
BadCub10 Yes for Aug 12-1417:07
BadCubOne vote for Aug 5-717:07
BadCubTwo votes for Aug 19-2117:07
jrollBadCub: so does being 100% solid on those dates depend on HP facility response?17:07
BadCubnot a high viter turnout.17:07
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BadCubs/viter/voter17:08
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BadCubjroll: from what devananda and I discussed, if HP is negative, we will try to find alternative location17:08
NobodyCam++17:08
jrollBadCub: ok, so hold off on booking travel :)17:08
BadCubjroll: yes please. I hope to have answer from HP facilities by EOW17:09
rlooBadCub: location in seattle or location in US (west)?17:09
jrollok, thanks :)17:09
BadCubrloo: the location will be Seattle17:09
rlooBadCub: thx17:09
BadCubyw17:09
* lucasagomes hopes he can go17:09
NobodyCam++17:09
BadCubI will keep everyone updated as SOON as I hear back17:10
NobodyCamawesome thank you BadCub for all the effort in getting this planned17:10
BadCubMy pleasure17:10
NobodyCamany thing else about the mid-cycle17:11
BadCubyes17:11
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BadCubif we can get an early headcount, I can try to setup a small group block at one of the hotels17:11
BadCubif not, that's cool too17:11
NobodyCam:) maybe we can use the white board17:11
BadCubyes17:12
jroll+1 whiteboard17:12
jrollor another etherpad we can plan work on17:12
BadCub++17:12
NobodyCam++17:12
TheJulia++17:12
lucasagomes+117:12
jrollhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle17:13
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle17:13
NobodyCamcool new pad or whiteboard /me is good with either17:13
jrolldone.17:13
BadCubI am traveling this week and won't be on a great deal, if someone would kindly volunteer to set up said whiteboard/epad, I would be deeply greatful17:13
NobodyCamor that ^^^17:13
NobodyCamawesome Thank you jroll17:13
BadCubjroll: thank you! :)17:13
* jroll adds to whiteboard17:13
NobodyCam:)17:13
NobodyCamso we can use that for mid-cycle planning17:14
NobodyCamok then moving along17:14
NobodyCam#topic SubTeam: status report17:15
NobodyCamPosted on Whiteboard17:15
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NobodyCam#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:15
jrolladded some notes on neutron integration stuff there17:16
NobodyCamI would like to ask... Should we add BiFrost as a official sub-team?17:16
jrollwould love eyes on the specs to see how insane we are17:16
dtantsurNobodyCam, and inspector, and inspector :)17:16
jrollNobodyCam: dtantsur +117:16
naohirotNobodyCam: I updated irmc part, and I'd like core team to review irmc deploy driver #link      https://review.openstack.org//#/q/owner:+naohirot%2540jp.fujitsu.com+status:+open,n,z17:16
NobodyCamjroll: dtantsur ++17:16
NobodyCamjroll: naohirot: awesome thank you17:16
TheJuliaNobodyCam: +1 on both bifrost and inspector17:16
rlooi was going to say -1 on bifrost and inspector.17:17
NobodyCamTheJulia: would like to handle the bifrost section moving forward?17:17
rloowhat about ironic-lib then17:17
NobodyCamrloo: oh17:17
rlooand ironic17:17
TheJuliaNobodyCam: Absoloutely17:17
naohirotNobodyCam: liberty-1 is Jun 25, so what is the current status of core team's review?17:17
rlooor +117:17
lucasagomesNobodyCam, official subteam?17:17
rlooguess it depends on what these statuses are for etc17:17
NobodyCamlucasagomes: (listed on the whiteboard)17:17
lucasagomesah... +117:18
dtantsurlucasagomes, that means, I'll put the major news about inspector on the dashboard every week :)17:18
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naohirotNobodyCam: what features are planed to be part of liberty-1?17:18
dtantsurand ditto for bifrost17:18
NobodyCamI figured it would a quick way for folks to stay updated on17:18
rloodtantsur: but i like your email messages :)17:18
dtantsurnaohirot, whatever we land?17:18
dtantsurrloo, I hope so :)17:18
jrolldtantsur: \o/17:18
NobodyCamand ya ironic-lib should prob also be htere17:18
jlvillalNova sub-team would like feedback on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289048  Is it still an issue?17:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1289048 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Ironic nova driver spawn() makes too many redundant calls" [Low,Confirmed]17:19
rloodtantsur: I'm fine with adding inspector/bifrost, but i wanted to understand what would  be reported there17:19
rloobifrost and inspector don't affect ironic directly.17:19
jrolljlvillal: we've somewhat mitigated it but it could be better17:19
dtantsurrloo, major news for those interested17:19
lucasagomesdtantsur, w00t17:19
jrolljlvillal: I suggest you spin up devstack and maybe list the calls that currently happen on a delpoy17:19
jlvillaljroll: Thanks.  Trying to figure out if we should try to get someone working on it.17:19
jrolljlvillal: it's pretty low priority17:20
naohirotdtantsur: It's not clear to me that whatever we land means17:20
jlvillaljroll: Okay.  Thank you.17:20
jrolljlvillal: if it was a problem then my team would be all over it :P17:20
rloonaohirot: it really is 'wahtever we land'17:20
jlvillal:)17:20
rloonaohirot: of course, there are priorities17:20
dtantsurnaohirot, it literaly means: we're trying to land as much stuff as it's possible, we can't make any promises17:20
rloonaohirot: so maybe that's what you might want to know17:20
lucasagomesjlvillal, as jroll said :-)17:20
NobodyCamnaohirot: I don't believe we have set any riorities for l-117:20
jlvillalThanks all17:20
dtantsurnaohirot, whatever we manage to land, will enter liberty-1. that's my understanding17:20
NobodyCampriorities *17:20
naohirotrloo: no core member can do just wait?17:20
jrollso speaking of "liberty-1" has everyone had a chance to look at the release model spec?17:21
dtantsurNobodyCam, boot-deploy split is one17:21
dtantsura lot of stuff depends on it17:21
rloonaohirot: i don't know what you mean. Are you saying that core members just wait for ??17:21
jrollnaohirot: cores try to review everything, but we're all human unfortunately17:21
dtantsurnaohirot, you mean, what you can do? review other's patches to free some core reviewer's time17:21
rloojroll: i have no idea how liberty-1 fits in with your new release model. is it mentioned in the spec?17:21
dtantsurnaohirot, and timely address comments on your patches of course17:22
jrollrloo: basically we ignore openstack's milestones17:22
dtantsurthat's all (we all) can do to speed up the thing17:22
naohirotrloo: I don't know the meaning of whatever land.17:22
rloojroll: that's what i thought. so 'liberty-1' won't mean anything to ironic.17:22
NobodyCamdtantsur: yep thatspec ha landed17:22
jrollrloo: correct.17:22
lucasagomesjroll, yup I did :-)17:22
naohirotrloo: therefor I thought that all I can do is just waiting for good luck?17:23
dtantsurnaohirot, I started reviewing your iRMC stuff today, just didn't have time to finish. stay tuned please :)17:23
lucasagomesdidn't vote yet, I've to finish my thoughts but so far so good17:23
dtantsurwill try to finish tomorrow17:23
lucasagomesthanks for the answer on the global requirements17:23
jrolllucasagomes: cool, ty sir17:23
rloonaohirot: no, good luck doesn't help much. i find that if patches are really well written etc, they get reviewed faster etc. but again, the reviewing isn't an automated process and we are all busy and have our own priorities17:23
lucasagomesI think we are out of topic here?17:24
jrollnaohirot: also, large patches take a lot of time to review.17:24
jrolllucasagomes: aren't we always :)17:24
rloo+1 lucasagomes17:24
NobodyCamlucasagomes: yep17:24
dtantsur+117:24
BadCub+117:24
naohirotjroll: I know all we are human, but as I mentioned many time, I'd like to know the priority of core member's tasks.17:24
dtantsurlet's move on17:24
NobodyCam#topic New dashboard proposed by huawei17:24
NobodyCam#link https://github.com/niuzhenguo/ironic-dashboard17:24
NobodyCam#link https://review.openstack.org/19113117:24
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zhenguohi all, I proposed the dashboard project.17:24
rloooh, i had questions about subteams. will ask later.17:24
NobodyCamthis as I under stand was put up like last week17:24
dtantsurwhy isn't it on stackforge btw? :)17:24
dtantsuroh, you did apply for it, right?17:25
NobodyCamI first heard of it this mornign17:25
jrollso, I have a few concerns here.17:25
TheJuliaI have a few concerns as well17:25
zhenguoit's a horizon plugin like tuskar-ui,17:25
NobodyCamhi zhenguo17:25
jroll1) this is the first, afaik, time that any of the ironic team has heard anything about this. it's a 2500 line code drop without git history, etc.17:25
zhenguoand recently I see other porjects like magnum apply it for openstack.17:26
jroll2) it's based on very outdated code. uses pxe_deploy_kernel etc.17:26
jroll3) it's importing tuskar. tuskar has nothing to do with ironic or horizon.17:26
jrolltuskar is only a tripleo thing17:26
jroll4) test coverage is lacking17:26
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zhenguoyes, it's a init repo only on github now17:26
jroll5) last point, the proposal puts this under the ironic team. is the ironic core team supposed to maintain this?17:27
dtantsurzhenguo, oh, what does it add on top of Tuskar UI?17:27
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zhenguoit's not on top of tuskar ui17:27
jrolland on that note, is any of the ironic core team interested in maintaining this?17:27
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NobodyCamzhenguo: with only a very quick look I think its early to be perposing to the govenence repo at this time17:27
dtantsurah, I see17:27
zhenguoit's for horizon17:27
jrollzhenguo: it's importing tuskar e.g. https://github.com/niuzhenguo/ironic-dashboard/blob/32012e7ce3bad710a6cfcbab3ad375a5d371c4dc/ironic_dashboard/baremetal/nodes/tests.py#L2617:27
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zhenguohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/191142/17:28
TheJuliaI have to agree with NobodyCam.  I think this is good for stackforge so it can itererate and evolve, but it is not the one UI gui for openstack considering we also know of a JS one in development now.17:28
zhenguojroll, it's split from tuskar so left something to be cleaned later :)17:28
lucasagomesright that's including the project under the ironic umbrella17:28
dtantsurzhenguo, what's the reason of the split?17:29
jrollregardless of stackforge or openstack, does the ironic core team want to and/or have the time to maintain this?17:29
TheJulias/openstack/ironic/17:29
dtantsurjroll, on stackforge, it does not matter17:29
jrollI fully support a horizon plugin for ironic, fwiw17:29
jrolldtantsur: if it's under ironic in governance, it does.17:29
zhenguodtantsur: as I understand, tuskar-ui is specifically geared towards TripleO17:29
TheJuliajroll: if it goes into openstack umbrella, I say a vote is required.17:29
lucasagomesjroll, I think most have the intention to have something... A UI was even part of the graduation plans and Josh was working on one right?17:29
zhenguoironic needs it's own dashboard for self-services needed17:30
NobodyCamjroll: I also share your concerns about maintaining this17:30
rloomy suggestion is that some description is written similar to our spec process. it isn't clear that this is a plugin for horizon.17:30
dtantsurzhenguo, well, yes. Did you talk to the folks about splitting away the common code?17:30
lucasagomesbut it needs to mature, it seems that there's more people focused on different efforts to do the same thing17:30
jrolllucasagomes: honestly the thing josh was working on was really only about graduation, we don't care to use it.17:30
NobodyCamand I also do like the idea of a ironic dashboard17:30
lucasagomesright17:30
JoshNangi've asked before if anyone wanted to pick it up, no takers yet17:30
dtantsurzhenguo, also, tuskar UI is under Horizon program. why do you want to put this thing under the baremetal?17:30
lucasagomesI think that, as any project that wants to be part of the Ironic umbrella it needs to first go somewhere else17:31
lucasagomesmature17:31
zhenguodtantsur, not really split, I reuse some code of that17:31
lucasagomesand then we can talk about including it or not17:31
NobodyCamlucasagomes: ++17:31
dtantsurlucasagomes, ++17:31
lucasagomesit seems that this project is not at this stage already17:31
jroll+117:31
lucasagomeswe cna give a feedback on the idea, so yes having a dashboard is nice17:31
zhenguoyes, maybe I can put it to stackforge first17:31
lucasagomesbut I won't discuss this project specifics because it's not yet time17:31
lucasagomeszhenguo, +117:31
NobodyCamhow about we give Ironic folk a week or so to look at it and revisit in next meeting?17:32
dtantsur++ for stackforge, and I believe it should aim for Horizon program, not for Ironic17:32
lucasagomesthat was the path for bifrost, IPA and inspector (discoverd at the time)17:32
NobodyCamoh I like starting on stackforge17:32
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NobodyCam++17:32
lucasagomesonce we have something substential we can promote it to the ironic umbrella if people have an agreement17:32
jrollNobodyCam: I think it's clear it needs to mature, let's not spend another meeting on it :)17:32
lucasagomesbecause we then commit to maintain it17:32
NobodyCamjroll: ack +17:32
rlooi don't think this is solely up to the cores. I'd like to hear from the ironic community as to whether this is wanted/useful to them.17:32
zhenguoso as a horizon and tuskar-ui core member, I think I can enrich it quickly.17:33
lucasagomesrloo, +117:33
jrollzhenguo: I suggest you (and your team?) discuss this more with the ironic team in our channel, and we can work together on it. it was quite odd having this much code dropped without hearing anything about it17:33
NobodyCamI'm going to put a action item for zhenguo to put it up on stackforge17:33
rlooI'd prefer if a discussion/something is mentioned in email so the community is aware of it17:34
dtantsurrloo, ++, and so that comments are not lost17:34
jrollrloo: +1, zhenguo can you send an email to the list once it's on stackforge?17:34
NobodyCam#action zhenguo put Ironic dashup on stackforge and bring attention to it via the ML17:34
lucasagomesyeah an email to the ML. Saying your working on a dashboard17:34
NobodyCam^^ ??17:34
jroll+1 NobodyCam17:34
lucasagomesand people can even start to collaborate17:34
lucasagomesNobodyCam, +117:34
NobodyCam:)17:34
rlooor come out of the woodwork with their own 'UI'...17:34
zhenguoyes,17:35
lucasagomesand ofc, zhenguo thanks for that!17:35
krtaylorzhenguo, http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html17:35
zhenguothanks krtaylor17:35
NobodyCamzhenguo: yes this is a great start :) I look frward to seeing wheree it goes17:35
krtaylor++ for stackforge, zhenguo, I just did this, let m ekno wif you have questions17:35
sambettsIt might be worth talking to the horizon team about this too because I know they are working on something to split the different project panels out into separate repos <project-name>-ui e.g. magnum-ui etc.17:36
NobodyCamsambetts: good point17:36
jrollsambetts: that's what this is17:36
jrollzhenguo is a horizon core17:36
sambetts:) awesome17:36
NobodyCamawesome.. good to move on?17:37
zhenguook17:37
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NobodyCam#topic Mircoversion guideline17:37
NobodyCam#link https://review.openstack.org/18711217:37
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alex_xuNobodyCam: thanks, it's my turn17:37
NobodyCamyep17:37
NobodyCam:)17:37
alex_xureally hope you guys can give suggestion for microversion guideline in api-wg. The current version I think already address the concern between nova and ironic. Hope this can merged early then avoid there is third version created by other project :)17:37
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alex_xuthe only different I think it is error response body compare to ironic spec. So I think the review won't be too hard. :)17:38
alex_xuAnd one question I want to ask quickly at here17:38
* lucasagomes adds to the TODO list17:38
alex_xu neutron is going to implement microversion also. There is one more thing is "experimental" flag, which introduced in nova spec also, but nova currently don't want to support it. So want to you guys opinion whether Ironic want to support it.17:38
rlooalex_xu: to date, ironic hasn't used the 'experimental' flag.17:38
jrollalex_xu: as in an experimental microversion?17:38
jrollI'd be very -1 on that17:38
lucasagomesyeah we didn't use any experimetal flag17:39
rlooalex_xu: does any project want the experimental flag? If not, just delete it.17:39
alex_xujroll: yes, it is expected to be a method to introduce new api17:39
dtantsuroh please no17:39
rlooI feel dtantsur's pain17:39
jrollnova-baremetal was experimental, we saw how that went17:39
alex_xurloo: only in neutron spec now, neutron didn't implement it yet17:39
dtantsurbtw I'm planning to have basic support for microversions for inspector as well https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic-inspector/+spec/api-versioning17:39
jroll-2 on ironic using the experimental flag from me17:39
rloo-2 also. Just delete it and wait for (hopefully never) some project to ask for it.17:40
alex_xuyea, people have concern that is a way to enable non-standard api17:40
lucasagomesyeah, if it's exposed people will use it17:40
lucasagomesregardless17:40
alex_xuok, looks like nova and ironic on same side, let me talk with neutron team :)17:40
rloowell, we'd block it (I hope) but don't even provide it as a possibility. makes it easier then :)17:41
NobodyCamya17:41
jrollto be clear17:41
jrollI'm okay with it being part of the api-wg guidelines, saying it's ok17:41
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alex_xuok, thanks all, no more question, but please help me on the review, really hope get consistent between nova and ironic first :)17:41
jrollbut I will never let a patch with that flag land in ironic17:41
alex_xujroll: ok, I see now17:42
rloojroll: but if that is in the guidelines, *someone* will say, hey, it is in the guidelines, so why can't it go into ironic. easier not to have that discussion.17:42
NobodyCam:)17:43
NobodyCamany other question for alex_xu17:43
jrollrloo: that's what the -2 is for :P17:43
jrollanyway17:43
dtantsuralex_xu, on thing is not clear in guidelines IMO17:43
rlooand jroll, we don't know who the future core reviewers will be for Ironic ;)17:43
dtantsuralex_xu, in Ironic we used to "hide" new features, when old version is used17:43
dtantsuralex_xu, we (at least some of us) no longer want to do it for non-breaking changes17:44
dtantsuralex_xu, not sure if it's implied by the guideline or not17:44
rloodtantsur: oh, my head hurts. did we decide that? not to hide new features?17:44
alex_xuok, how about ask neutron team opinion again, if they still think expermentail usefule for them, I will bring this up to ML again, to see if whether we need put in api-wg17:45
dtantsurrloo, we had an agreement between me, mordred and devananda :) but I'm close to -2 anything that will hide new features17:45
dtantsurI was actually planning to propose patch removing this behavior for existing non-breaking microversions, and see what people say17:46
rloodtantsur: oh, didn't know that. we need some way to capture/communicate those things.17:46
NobodyCamdtantsur: I'd like to see that patch17:46
NobodyCamrloo: I believe it was just chatter at this point17:47
alex_xudtantsur: hide new features in old version is behavior nova we have i think17:47
dtantsuralex_xu, that's what I'm strongly opposed to17:47
dtantsur(and won't implement for inspector)17:47
rlooalex_xu: guidelines are 'guidelines'. it doesn't mean that they have to be followed, right?17:48
alex_xudtantsur: why? the new feature only be introduced by new microversion17:48
dtantsuralex_xu, I don't see a sane reason to do it for non-breaking change17:48
jrollcan we not have this conversation here for the millionth time17:48
dtantsur(I obviously see a reason for a breaking change)17:48
jrolltake it to the ML17:48
lucasagomesheh yeah17:48
dtantsurjroll, ++17:48
NobodyCam++17:48
alex_xurloo: emm...but the goal is we have consistent implementation, at least for the part people want to supported I think17:48
alex_xujroll: ok17:49
jrollalex_xu: sorry, but we've had this conversation in ironic a million times17:49
jrolland we only have 10 minutes left17:49
dtantsur... and we can't come to agreement anyway17:49
NobodyCamyep:17:49
rloojroll: but the decision is affected by the guidelines, depending on what it means to have guidelines.17:49
jrollrloo: then review the guideline spec.17:49
alex_xujroll: I see, thanks let me talk about this also :)17:49
rloodtantsur: ^^17:49
NobodyCamok moving on?17:50
jroll+117:50
lucasagomesyes17:50
NobodyCam#topic Open Discussion / Food For Thought17:50
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* jroll eats this thought food17:50
NobodyCamthat was the last topic on the agenda17:50
dtantsurnom-nom17:50
jlvillalalex_xu: I wanted to say thanks for staying up so late to discuss this.17:50
lucasagomesalex_xu, yeah totally, thank you17:50
alex_xujlvillal: :)17:50
jrollif nobody has open discussion items feel free to continue with microversion discussions I guess17:50
NobodyCamalex_xu: and for all the work you've put on this ..17:51
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alex_xulucasagomes: np17:51
lucasagomesnaohirot, you had some concerns in the other topic. If u want to bring it up here17:51
jrollbut wanted folks to be able to speak up on other things17:51
NobodyCamrloo: you had somehting I cut you off from above?17:51
jrolllucasagomes: so I think in general it sounds like we aren't communicating priorities down to driver authors etc17:51
jrolllucasagomes: or people not active in the day-to-day discussions in general17:51
rlooNobodyCam: nope, i'm good. oh the subteam stuff.17:51
rlooNobodyCam: did we want to decide about adding bifrost/inspector to subteam reports?17:52
lucasagomesjroll, right, yeah well reviewing stuff is a bottleneck for us :-(17:52
rloojroll: +1. i thought there was some etherpad with liberty priorities. am trying to recall if it (priorities) was in the email deva sent out.17:52
wanyen+1 fro adding bifrost and inspector to subteam report17:53
NobodyCamrloo: I do like reading the subteam reports on the whiteboard just to keep uptodate on what going on17:53
jrolllucasagomes: yeah, but sounds like naohirot has no ideas about what our priorities are right now (boot/deploy split etc)17:53
dtantsurrloo, we can have a lazy consensus :)17:53
lucasagomeswe had a spreadsheet last cycle with some priorities17:53
dtantsur+MANY of the spreadsheet again17:53
jrollrloo: this was around brainstorming so not sure how accurate https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-priorities17:53
dtantsur* for17:53
naohirotlucasagomes: I got out of sync17:53
rlooNobodyCam: if people think it would be useful to have bifrost/inspector, let's add them then.17:53
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rlooNobodyCam: as long as dtantsur and TheJulia are OK with providing that info :)17:53
jrollyeah, that priorities etherpad isn't very clear17:54
lucasagomesnaohirot, I see, I think we all are kinda out of sync in the priorities right now? I think we all agree boot and deploy split is one of them17:54
lucasagomesthe network is another I would say17:54
* dtantsur thinks ENROLL state aka finishing the damned state machine is a priority as well17:54
jrolllol, +1 dtantsur17:54
lucasagomesyeah17:54
NobodyCamdtantsur: ++17:55
lucasagomesso let's put it down folks in a spreadsheet like we had for Kilo? If people agree with it17:55
* NobodyCam will try and get reviews done while traveling17:55
jrollI'll admit we've been horrible about reviewing the irmc patches17:55
wanyenjroll, any update from networking neturon vlan and port aggregation?17:55
lucasagomesor etherpad, whatever is best17:55
* naohirot I was invited to another channel. so I got lost what we are discussing right now17:55
NobodyCamnaohirot: it Open Discussion17:56
NobodyCamit's*17:56
rloowe should have priorities 'spelled out' for each cycle. somewhere.17:56
NobodyCamwith 4 minutes left17:56
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jrollrloo: lucasagomes +117:56
jlvillal+1 on documenting priorities17:56
naohirotmaybe I'll ask in the ironic channel.17:56
jlvillalIf priorities could be linked to patches for review, that is a big bonus too.17:56
NobodyCamwe can get BadCub to help there I believe17:56
* jlvillal realizes that takes a lot of work to keep that in sync.17:57
rlooi think email is good wrt priorities. etherpad is good too as long as folks don't modify it (too much). otherwise, the priorities will change and i won't know.17:57
NobodyCamtracking and keeping things organazided17:57
dtantsur++ for assigning BadCub to everything :)17:57
NobodyCamlol17:57
TheJulia++17:57
lucasagomesjlvillal, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit?pli=1#gid=160497010917:57
lucasagomesthat's what we had17:57
dtantsurwe can continue it..17:57
NobodyCamya17:58
rlooif it was clear wat the priorities were, would it help folks wrt reviews. i am a bit doubtful but i guess it won't hurt.17:58
lucasagomesyeah we can create another tab for Liberty17:58
lucasagomesand continue that17:58
dtantsurrloo, it will help folks not to be disappointed that they're not getting too much attention. maybe..17:58
NobodyCam++ for tab per cycle!17:58
NobodyCamrloo: and helps keep me focused17:58
jlvillalFirst tab for current cycle :)17:58
* NobodyCam can get sidetracked esaliy17:58
rlooNobodyCam: well, if it will help you, then yes!17:59
NobodyCam:)17:59
lucasagomesjlvillal, heh ack17:59
* jlvillal thinks order should be reversed. So tabs are in reverse chronological order17:59
rloothanks for volunteering BadCub!17:59
NobodyCamlol.. he has had to step away17:59
dtantsur:)17:59
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dtantsurthat's why we did it so easily, no?17:59
NobodyCamhe'll read al this in the log17:59
rlooNobodyCam: that's fine. it is recorded here in the logs :)17:59
NobodyCamone minute18:00
dtantsurwe can have #agreed on it :D18:00
rloodtantsur: or action item... ?18:00
dtantsur++18:00
dtantsurwe're out of time18:00
TheJuliaI thought we already had an action item for that18:00
lucasagomesright I will put something in the spreadsheet18:00
lucasagomeslet's wrap it up18:00
lucasagomesthank you all for the meeting!18:01
dtantsurthanks!18:01
NobodyCamthank you all18:01
sambettsthanks o/18:01
cineramathanks folks18:01
jlvillalCiao18:01
NobodyCamsee ya in channel18:01
NobodyCam#endmeeting18:01
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