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| miguelgrinberg | api-wg anyone? | 00:02 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 00:02 |
| jaypipes | not sure what the agenda is, if any, though. | 00:02 |
| miguelgrinberg | hi jaypipes, let me start this | 00:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | #startmeeting api wg | 00:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 00:03:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is miguelgrinberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:03 |
| jaypipes | go for it. | 00:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | Most of the regulars aren't coming, so it's going to be a short one I think | 00:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | #topic agenda | 00:04 |
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| miguelgrinberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:04 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: can we +W the frozen guidelines now? | 00:04 |
| miguelgrinberg | it's been a week right? so I think it's time | 00:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | we have four | 00:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 00:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | only https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179365/ receive a negative comment of the frozen ones | 00:07 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: technically it's only been 6 days... should we let them sit? | 00:07 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: and one is only 3 days in freeze. (181784) | 00:08 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: I'm going to push the first 3 that were frozen on the 4th. | 00:08 |
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| miguelgrinberg | right, I thought elmiko did all last week, but they were all done at different times | 00:08 |
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| miguelgrinberg | go for it. | 00:09 |
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| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: oh, doh, looks like elmiko needs to do it, since his -2 holds. | 00:10 |
| jaypipes | miguelgrinberg: perhaps best to just skip this meeting :) | 00:10 |
| miguelgrinberg | he was in a flight right now, he may show up | 00:10 |
| jaypipes | kk | 00:10 |
| miguelgrinberg | but really, there isn't much you and I can get done | 00:10 |
| miguelgrinberg | I wanted to take a look at a few APIImpact changes every week, but this week I did not have time | 00:11 |
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| jaypipes | yeah, no worries. I've been swamped with spec reviews and other stuff too. | 00:11 |
| jaypipes | let's wrap this puppy up. | 00:11 |
| miguelgrinberg | yup, talk to you next time | 00:12 |
| miguelgrinberg | #endmeeting | 00:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 00:12:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-11-00.03.html | 00:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-11-00.03.txt | 00:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-06-11-00.03.log.html | 00:12 |
| jaypipes | ciao. | 00:12 |
| miguelgrinberg | bye jaypipes | 00:12 |
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| pc_m | yo | 15:01 |
| neiljerram | hi there | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:01 |
| dhruvdhody | hi | 15:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | hi | 15:02 |
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| mohankumar | Hello Everyone ! | 15:02 |
| HenryG | o/ | 15:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:02 |
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| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:02 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:02 |
| qwebirc287462 | Hello everyone, I'm Ramanjaneya from vikram team. | 15:02 |
| devvesa | o/ | 15:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 15:03 |
| HenryG | Has Carl nominated someone to run the meeting today? He seems to be offline. | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | HenryG: I will start the meeting while he joins | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | just volunteering | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 15:04:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I was just starting the meeting.... all yours | 15:05 |
| * carl_baldwin sorry to be late. | 15:05 | |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Go ahead and continue. | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
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| mlavalle | First announcement is that the mid-cycle sprint will take place in Fort Collins in two weeks | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | Second announcement is a reminder that Liberty-1 milestone is also in two weeks | 15:07 |
| haleyb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:07 |
| neiljerram | What does L-1 milestone mean for Neutron? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | This is what has been approved for Liberty-1; https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-1 | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | Any oher announcements from the team? | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | It is mostly a stake in the ground. It doesn’t go through the release candidate testing that an end of cycle release will go through. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | No more announcements from me. | 15:09 |
| neiljerram | My understanding is that it's not a deadline, more an interim release, right? | 15:09 |
| neiljerram | I emailed a short while ago about my interest in doing the L3 routed networks work - is that an announcement, and am I stepping on anyone's toes there? | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Yes. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | ok moving on | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: We can chat about that. I will appreciate some help there. | 15:11 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: Thx, will do. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | #topic ML3 router plugin | 15:11 |
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| yamahata | hi | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Is pcarver around? | 15:12 |
| pcarver | I'm here, although on a voice conference call at the same time | 15:12 |
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| neiljerram | BTW where is the agenda for this mtg; I think I must be looking at the wrong place (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam) | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | neiljerram: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:13 |
| neiljerram | mlavalle: Ah, thanks, F5 to the rescue. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: the floor is yours | 15:14 |
| yamahata | According to the discussion and FRE, the first thing to do is to collect use cases and consider possible solutions. | 15:14 |
| yamahata | the input from pcarver will be important | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Where will this be collected? | 15:15 |
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| yamahata | carl_baldwin: that's exactly what I'd like discuss. | 15:15 |
| pcarver | I've been having a lot of discussions and thinking a lot about how multiple routers would work together. | 15:15 |
| yamahata | etherpad or gerrit spec review | 15:16 |
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| yamahata | or google-doc? | 15:16 |
| yamahata | any preference? | 15:16 |
| yamamoto | i hate google doc | 15:16 |
| yamahata | or wiki | 15:16 |
| pcarver | In the hardware world we'd never accept an entire network that was single vendor, but it does seem pretty complicated to plug together a variety of vendors under Neutron | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess etherpad would be my choice. Others? | 15:16 |
| pcarver | etherpad is fine with me | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | yeah, etherpad is great | 15:17 |
| yamamoto | +1 etherpad | 15:17 |
| yamahata | Okay, I created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-modular-l3-router-plugin-use-cases | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Great. Now to diseminate. We could send the link to the ML and include it in the spec review. | 15:18 |
| pc_m | hopefully people can associate their nick with the color they use. That's my only nit on etherpad | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | do we have already enough input from discussions FRE to populate the etherpad or we neeed a message to ML? | 15:18 |
| john-davidge | couldn’t hurt to put the word out for more input | 15:19 |
| pcarver | We've got to align our thoughts carefully on the relationship between ML3, ML2 and flavor framework | 15:19 |
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| pcarver | Some concepts from the hardware world do apply, but it's not an exact mapping | 15:19 |
| yamahata | pcarver: +1 so far I got a question many time, why not ML2 | 15:19 |
| pcarver | every hardware router has an L2 component | 15:20 |
| pcarver | but it isn't an L2 device | 15:20 |
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| pcarver | so there's got to be an expectation of what virtual GBIC/SFPs/line cards the virtual router supports | 15:21 |
| pcarver | especially with the recent work on adding STT and Geneve types to ML2 | 15:21 |
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| pcarver | In order for the tenant or admin to be able to select from multiple available routers, it's necessary that the routers support the relevant ML2 types that the tenant is using | 15:22 |
| pcarver | but unless we change the name of ML2, people aren't going to be happy with extending ML2 to support the capabilities expected of routers | 15:23 |
| pcarver | There's also a QoS consideration. Routers need to enforce QoS so plugging multiple routers into the same Neutron does impact QoS expectations | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | This is all good information. We could spend the whole meeting. Should we set a goal for gathering more input on use cases and solutions? | 15:25 |
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| pcarver | Yes, sorry to go on too long | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | also, who will send message to ML with etherpad, yamahata? | 15:25 |
| pcarver | Getting info into an Etherpad is a good start | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | pcarver: No problem. This is a good start. | 15:25 |
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| yamahata | mlavalle: I thought carl_baldwin would do per the gerrit discussion | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: ok with you? | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will send email to ML today. | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:28 |
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| HenryG | Does this include RFEs? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I pull together yesterday all the bugs with High importance..... There were no critical | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: RFEs will be discussed in the drivers meeting. | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | HenryG: No | 15:29 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: I have an AI from the drivers meeting to discuss RFE bug 1460720 here. | 15:29 |
| openstack | bug 1460720 in neutron "Add API to set ipv6 gateway" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460720 - Assigned to Abishek Subramanian (absubram) | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I did some triage yesterday and trimmed down the list. | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: That should be in the agenda. But, let’s discuss it right after the regular bugs agenda item. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I don’t think there are any regular bugs I want to discuss. Anyone else? | 15:30 |
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| * HenryG shamefully goes to update the agenda after the fact :( | 15:31 | |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:31 |
| * carl_baldwin thinks he added it last week but it may be near the end. | 15:31 | |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Let’s go to Henry’s agenda item next. | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:32 |
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| * HenryG sees it at the end | 15:32 | |
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| mlavalle | #topic RFE bug 1460720 | 15:32 |
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| openstack | bug 1460720 in neutron "Add API to set ipv6 gateway" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460720 - Assigned to Abishek Subramanian (absubram) | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | So, if I remember right, you can blame this one on me. | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Looks like I had suggested that maybe the ipv6_gateway could be a property of the network. What do people think? | 15:34 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: You mean that it was originally implemented as a config? | 15:34 |
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| * carl_baldwin was just teasing | 15:34 | |
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| haleyb | carl_baldwin: yes, of the external network | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | My thinking is that, in this case, the gateway is not associated with any one subnet. But, it could be different for each network. | 15:36 |
| baoli | carl_baldwin: I kind of agree since all the subnets are on the same GW port for externall gateway. | 15:37 |
| haleyb | HenryG: it is currently in neutron.conf right now | 15:37 |
| HenryG | So the RFE just asks for a CRUD API for the property. Looks like we need to split it up into multiple work items. | 15:38 |
| HenryG | First we need to re-locate it to an agreed place. Then add the API. ? | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | Well, the rfe wants to put it on the gateway interface which is different than what I propose. | 15:39 |
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| HenryG | OK that's what I meant by re-locate, sorry. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Oh. Okay. I guess if we have agreement. Does network sound better than router gw set in terms of the model? | 15:41 |
| HenryG | Yes, to me it does | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. We should update the rfe description to reflect it. | 15:42 |
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| HenryG | baoli: absubram: ^^ can you do that? | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | Then, yes. The next work items would be to add the CRUD and DB. | 15:43 |
| HenryG | What about policies? Can any tenant set the gw? | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m thinking that a setting on the network will override the current config option. Then, we should consider a deprecation plan for the config. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Good question. I would think admin or owner. | 15:44 |
| HenryG | makes sense | 15:44 |
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| HenryG | As for the config: it could morph into the default when no gw is set? | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: Sounds good. | 15:45 |
| HenryG | Great. I think that's it for this item. We have a plan. | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on...... | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else. I think we have a plan we can present to the drivers. It is a small amount of straight-forward work I think. | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:47 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:47 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | hi. How are things? I think the spec is pretty close. Do you think it is ready to merge? | 15:48 |
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| tidwellr | devvesa carl_baldwin: the updated spec looks good to me | 15:48 |
| baoli | HenryG: will take a look at it again | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | some more eyes on it would be good | 15:49 |
| devvesa | I agree | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay, let’s get more eyes on it. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125401/ | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we resolved my concerns. | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I'll put it in the teams wiki | 15:50 |
| devvesa | I like how it fits into the AddressScopes one. Thanks for your reviews! | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: How is the old code. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | ? | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | in the mean time, I'm still spinning another patch set for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115554/, mostly adding some tests and renaming classes and such | 15:50 |
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| tidwellr | I got side-tracked yesterday so I wasn't able to make the progress I was hoping for | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: What is your goal for L-1? | 15:51 |
| tidwellr | my goal is to have the API/DB layer in place, with tests, no agent | 15:52 |
| devvesa | I've removed all the references to the agent/implementation in the spec | 15:53 |
| devvesa | Should I create a new one about it? | 15:53 |
| tidwellr | the code is in pretty good shape, as I mentioned I'm just in the process of renaming things and filling out more tests | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | I wonder if we should use devref for the details about the reference implementation. | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: +1 | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | I would start light with devref giving an overview. | 15:54 |
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| devvesa | Ok | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Thanks. | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:55 |
| devvesa | I don't know if vikram is around here... | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | Since we have just 4 minutes left. Let’s go to Open Discussion. | 15:55 |
| devvesa | I know he has been working on some CLI stuff... but I didn't took a look at it | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Vikram is on vacation for a bit. | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:56 |
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| johnbelamaric | On IPAM, I Pavel has broken it down into more patches. Jenkins is failing though I don't think it's due his changes | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | The Address Scopes BP was approved. | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190162/ | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: nice! | 15:56 |
| johnbelamaric | ^ link is the next in the review chain | 15:57 |
| qwebirc689837 | HI | 15:57 |
| johnbelamaric | followed by | 15:57 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190195/ | 15:57 |
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| qwebirc689837 | I am Ramanjaneya vikram team| | 15:57 |
| john-davidge | prefix delegation is up-to-date with master and ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697 | 15:57 |
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| john-davidge | would be great to get some more eyes on it | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: ack | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | qwebirc689837: Hi, nice to see you. | 15:58 |
| qwebirc689837 | we are working on CLI part as vikram is on vacation | 15:58 |
| HenryG | john-davidge: it's in my queue too | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Both IPAM and PD mentioned above should be reviewed. Please review them. | 15:59 |
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| pavel_bondar | also fresh one for _rebuild_availability_ranges #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190668/ | 15:59 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin, HenryG: thanks | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | any other topics? we are top of the hour now | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Well done. We’re out of time. We can take anything else to the neutron channel. | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 16:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-11-15.04.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-11-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-06-11-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
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| vnod | #startmeeting cloudpulse | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 16:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudpulse' | 16:00 |
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| vnod | <vnod> o/ folks | 16:01 |
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| anand1712 | Hi anand1712 here | 16:03 |
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| vnod | welcome anand | 16:03 |
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| vnod | Ajay will join in few minutes | 16:06 |
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| vnod | #topic action-items review | 16:07 |
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| vnod | anand, did you file blueprint ? | 16:07 |
| vnod | anand1712 ? | 16:08 |
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| vnod | anand1712 is having problems updating IRC | 16:11 |
| vnod | hello pradeech | 16:11 |
| vnod | any update on the bp | 16:11 |
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| pradeech | vnod no update. Will have an update by end of this week. | 16:12 |
| vnod | thanks pradeech | 16:12 |
| vnod | pradeech if you have questions post it on cloudpulse IRC | 16:13 |
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| vnod | ok | 16:13 |
| anand1712 | Hi vnod yes api-tests blueprint has been filed. | 16:13 |
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| pradeech | vnod sure. Thanks | 16:13 |
| vnod | thanks anand1712 | 16:13 |
| anand1712 | working on the api-tests | 16:13 |
| vnod | #action pradeech file blueprint openstackclient | 16:13 |
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| vnod | Ajay_ any blueprint for ansible | 16:14 |
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| Ajay_ | Hi Vinod i thought i will reuse your blueprint | 16:14 |
| Ajay_ | do you need me to add more? | 16:14 |
| vnod | ok. | 16:14 |
| Ajay_ | i thought u can assign it to me | 16:14 |
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| vnod | ok will do | 16:15 |
| vnod | sdake in cisco-live | 16:15 |
| Ajay_ | have started working on it should gave more updates next week | 16:15 |
| vnod | and might be travelling today | 16:15 |
| vnod | Ajay_ | 16:15 |
| vnod | thanks for the update | 16:15 |
| vnod | need to check with pksingh if this time-slot works for him | 16:16 |
| vnod | ok, we have all the blueprint updates | 16:16 |
| Ajay_ | ok | 16:16 |
| pradeech | vnod can you assign action item for me? | 16:16 |
| vnod | #action pradeech blueprint openstackclient | 16:16 |
| Ajay_ | vinod also you need to add an action item for me for operator tests coding | 16:16 |
| pradeech | vnod Thanks | 16:16 |
| vnod | #action Ajay_ implement operator-test | 16:17 |
| vnod | #topic implementation | 16:18 |
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| vnod | Last week, I have committed openstack/common and common/utilities code | 16:18 |
| vnod | Multiple code-reviews are pending (sqlalchemy /cloudpulseclient) | 16:19 |
| vnod | anand1712, thanks for implementing cloudpulse client | 16:19 |
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| vnod | can you guys participate in the review | 16:19 |
| pradeech | vnod sure | 16:19 |
| Ajay_ | ok | 16:19 |
| vnod | so that we can keep the infra code moving to the repo | 16:19 |
| anand1712 | Thanks vnod I have added code reviews for the client. | 16:19 |
| vnod | pradeech thanks for reviewing openstack code | 16:20 |
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| anand1712 | Thank you pradeech | 16:20 |
| vnod | i will commit Pecan REST controller code this week. | 16:20 |
| vnod | any questions on the implementation ? | 16:21 |
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| vnod | ok lets move to next topic | 16:22 |
| vnod | #topic opendiscussion | 16:22 |
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| vnod | any topic you want to bring up ? | 16:22 |
| Ajay_ | not for me | 16:22 |
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| vnod | pradeech, Ajay_, anand1712 ? | 16:22 |
| pradeech | is there any design or architect document uploaded? | 16:22 |
| vnod | good point. | 16:23 |
| vnod | we don't have one today | 16:23 |
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| pradeech | to understand how components interact with each other | 16:23 |
| vnod | I will work on this next week | 16:23 |
| pradeech | thanks vnod | 16:23 |
| vnod | #action vnod file blueprint system-design | 16:24 |
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| vnod | ok. | 16:24 |
| vnod | anand1712 any questions ? | 16:24 |
| anand1712 | no questions at the moment vnod | 16:25 |
| vnod | ok great. | 16:25 |
| vnod | it was a short meeting | 16:25 |
| vnod | if you have questions, shoot it on cloudpulse IRC | 16:25 |
| vnod | nice chatting with you guys | 16:25 |
| vnod | #endmeeting | 16:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 16:25:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-11-16.00.html | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-11-16.00.txt | 16:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-11-16.00.log.html | 16:25 |
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| jishnu_ | Hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu_: hi | 18:01 |
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| igordcard | Hi all | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong Yi_ igordcard: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: hi | 18:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
| Ajay__ | Hi all | 18:01 |
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| s3wong | my Internet connectivity at home is a kind of bad today, so I may drop off here and there (it happened already during tacker meeting this morning) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: np | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was waiting for ivar to join | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 18:02:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_4th.2C_11th_2015 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:04 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | the list of “high” is growing | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__ found some more during the week | 18:04 |
| Ajay__ | i am yet to file some sumit will do today | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: ok :-) | 18:05 |
| Ajay__ | external segment ones | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: which ones are currently blocking you? | 18:05 |
| Ajay__ | external segment one | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1463207 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463207 in Group Based Policy "Unable to delete external network segment" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:05 |
| Ajay__ | where expernal policy update fails | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: did you log a bug for that one? | 18:05 |
| Ajay__ | sumit_: i need to file that though | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, i was not able to get back to your setup on that one | 18:06 |
| Ajay__ | sumit_: external policy update and ping failure parts | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: please log it and we will treat it as high priority | 18:06 |
| Ajay__ | sumit | 18:06 |
| Ajay__ | will do in next few mins | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: thanks! | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: is this one blocking you #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1462024 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462024 in Group Based Policy "Concurrent create_policy_target_group call fails" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:07 |
| Ajay__ | sumit_: not blocking really | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: ok good to know | 18:08 |
| Ajay__ | this one more : https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1462149 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462149 in Group Based Policy "Error while deleting a policy target group" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanfully no critical bugs | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: regarding #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1463207 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463207 in Group Based Policy "Unable to delete external network segment" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: i tried to reproduce but could not, hence was waiting to triage it | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I don't think it's related to the implicit workflow, given that the ES has the same UUID as the deleted one | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I'll investigate this | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i have traced the code through the debugger | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and to the extent i can recollect, the implicit driver goes and reinstates the “default” ES | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe it happens in the post-commit, but it was a while back when i traced it | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: for the update external policy issue, will you be able to post your entire neutron log in paste-bin or something? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and link it from launchpad bug? | 18:12 |
| Ajay__ | sumit: will do i have never done that but will ask around and do it | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | http://paste.openstack.org/ | 18:13 |
| Ajay__ | sumit: thx will do | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss right now? | 18:13 |
| Ajay__ | not for now | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, anyone else in the team | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you think that a bug is a blocker for the the kilo release please flag it in launchpad accordingly | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and let me know, and I will up the priority to critical | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and -> or | 18:14 |
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| Ajay__ | sure | 18:14 |
| jishnu | hi | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that request is to the rest of the team as well | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: ho | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Integration and Rally tests | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration and Rally tests (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: joined back at the right time | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: question for you - we are adding new features | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: how do we augment gbpfunc with tests for these new features? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: there? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if it requires more thought we can take it offline | 18:16 |
| jishnu | yes .. we need to augment for sure | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: since the tests are in a different repo, how do we coordinate that? | 18:18 |
| jishnu | @Sumit: need a dump on the new feature .. as you said we can discuss details offline | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: ok | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: it might also be good if we have a short documentation on how to add new tests to your test suite | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: that way we can try to scale the process to the rest of the team | 18:19 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ++ | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: if you are comfortable we can coordinate a one hour session on #openstack-gbp at some time | 18:20 |
| jishnu | Yes.. Sumit | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and you can perhaps give people a quick intro to the suite | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | *test suite | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: so let me know accordingly | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it would be preferable to update the test suite with the new tests, before we can release kilo | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets plan accordingly | 18:21 |
| jishnu | Will you be in office in tomorow .. we can do it tomorrow .. | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: yes, i meant for the whole team, so we can do IRC or we can do webex | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: okay so lets discuss the logistics offline | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jishnu: thanks | 18:22 |
| jishnu | yes | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: over to you for the Rally update | 18:22 |
| Ajay__ | yes rally managed to integrate the cleanup context as we spoke to clean up resources | 18:22 |
| Ajay__ | now trying to add tests for external segment/external policy | 18:23 |
| Ajay__ | and explicit l2/l3 policy | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: thanks for doing that, and thanks for explaining the various pieces involved | 18:23 |
| Ajay__ | so all i need now is for mandeep to create a fork in noironetworks github | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per discussion last week, it might not be as easy to just add the rally scenarios to the gbp repo | 18:23 |
| Ajay__ | for now we can go with a rally fork | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: will get you the repo | 18:24 |
| Ajay__ | and speak to Boris if he will allow GBP tests upstream | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since code changes are required to Rally core itself | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: yes | 18:24 |
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| Ajay__ | yes | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for now we will run Rally from Ajay__’s branch | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: so on that, we also need to start a new upstream job for this | 18:25 |
| Ajay__ | yes we do | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: either you can do that, or we can discuss as to what is needed and i can put the infra patch | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: so first lets find out how we need to set it up (in devstack) | 18:25 |
| Ajay__ | i need help from you i dont have a jenkins server to use | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: ok lets take this offline (first lets get our code into the repo) | 18:26 |
| Ajay__ | yes correct | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for Ajay__ on this? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or for Jishnu on the integration tests? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: thanks for the update | 18:27 |
| Ajay__ | i presume no | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Packaging update (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:27 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any updates on this front (for fedora/kilo-3)? | 18:27 |
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| rkukura | No, I haven’t been working on the packaging recently. | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, so we are not planning to do the k3 packages any more? | 18:29 |
| rkukura | I’d like to, but am not sure of its priority relative to other work. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | amit does not seem to be around | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo features | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo features (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:30 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | the udpates to the service chaining refactor specs have been merged: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174118 | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks ivar-lazzaro for the updates and to others for the review | 18:31 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the initial impl patches also merged yesterday | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks again ivar-lazzaro, awesome work | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: saw your comments post the merge | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the one on the resrouce counts is very valid | 18:32 |
| rkukura | yes - minor possible issues with two of them | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe it gets used for the quota check as well | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah I saw that, I'll post an update soon | 18:32 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if its broken we need to fix | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | service target is not a visible object | 18:32 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so it's not affected by quota | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | well, it is indirectly since it created a PT | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe there was a comment on the service profile count as well? | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | creates* | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that comment was about *removing* the count | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | unless I missed something recent | 18:33 |
| rkukura | it looked like an existing count function got renamed rather than a new one added | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: do you have a pointer? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the remaining patches for this work: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master+topic:bp/node-centric-chain-plugin,n,z | 18:34 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: line 490 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179691/20/gbpservice/neutron/db/servicechain_db.py | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also there is igordcard’s patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/168733 | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: ok found it! Good catch | 18:36 |
| igordcard | Mine's not yet for review | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the servicechain instances is not visible to tenant, so its okay to not have, but better to keep it | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: not sure how that method was replaced, probably some merge mess I did | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the method should definitely be renamed in the plural form, since that is the contract | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: please file a bug and I'll post a patch asap | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good catch | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i would think its okay to post a follow up just a partial impl of the blueprint too, but bug is just as good | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for ivar-lazzaro on this topic? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it would have been good to discuss the heat driver that magesh is writing, but i dont think he is here | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything you want to discuss regarding the VM driver that you are planning? | 18:39 |
| rkukura | not yet | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update, and again, amazing work with implementing this feature! | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | thanks! | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the floating IPs for PTs in a PTG was merged earlier #link https://review.openstack.org/167174 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the patch was in review for a long time | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think rukhsana had questions on #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i dont see her here | 18:42 |
| rkukura | that one needs rebasing again | 18:43 |
| rkukura | is the neutron issue resolved? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we believe yes | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the patch was merged | 18:44 |
| rkukura | great - I had given this a +2, so should be ablr to quickly re-review | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was another issue that Ajay__ brought up | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding quota support | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he was not seeing the Neutron quotas being enforced | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i believe the reason is becasue we are making internal calls | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and hence its not hitting the quota check | 18:46 |
| rkukura | that would make sense | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you also have comments in the RMD as general TODOs | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we need to figure out a strategy to get this to work for kilo | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: there? | 18:47 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: agreed | 18:47 |
| Ajay__ | yes | 18:47 |
| Ajay__ | u summarized it | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: so this is an absolute requirement for your use case? | 18:47 |
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| rukansari | Hi | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the neutron quota enforcement, that is? | 18:48 |
| Ajay__ | i would say when you have multiple tenants yes we need some form of enforcement | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: hi, just a min | 18:48 |
| Ajay__ | else any one tenant can exhaust resources | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: we will definitely try to incorporate the GBP quotas (which we dont have today either) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: i was thinking if it would be enough to enforce at the GBP resouce quota level | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enough -> acceptable (in this iteration) | 18:49 |
| Ajay__ | yes that would be good | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: perhaps we can think over it a little more | 18:50 |
| Ajay__ | i feel the short term check for quota is not really useful for us since we need the long term GBP quota implementation | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: you had questions regarding #link https://review.openstack.org/179327 | 18:50 |
| Ajay__ | short term is ok i feel | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: yes, we will implement quota checks for GBP | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Ajay__: thanks | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: go ahead | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have 9 mins | 18:51 |
| rukansari | ok | 18:51 |
| rukansari | The question I have is w.r.t sharing PRS pacth:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179327/ | 18:52 |
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| rukansari | Will this patch address the requirement: | 18:52 |
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| rukansari | 1. Need 1 external policy with 1 external segment for data connectivity to the Internet with its own L3Policy 2. Need another external policy with 1 external segment for service management network with its own L3policy | 18:53 |
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| rukansari | Would a WIP patch that has a very specific usecae for the reqs above be acceptable: i.e remove the validations in: | 18:54 |
| rukansari | https://github.com/noironetworks/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/resource_mapping.py#L1116 | 18:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: you can definitively try | 18:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: I'm not sure that removing the validation is the only thing needed | 18:55 |
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| rukansari | ivar: did try and it seems to satisfy our specific usecase | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: but in theory using the remote_sg manager should solve the problem | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: no harm in posting a WIP patch, but what would be the final outcome of that patch? | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: nice, for a proper upstream fix I would suggest we use the sg_managers validations | 18:56 |
| rukansari | ivar: OK. So the SG mgr should be the final solution. | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: something on top of it | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: one request - can we document somewhere on teh wiki page as to what are the current constraints of using the ES and the EP (with teh RMD)? | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: ^^ | 18:56 |
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| rukansari | ivar: agreed. proper solution is to use SG mgr | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: we don't want to break the existing deployments (especially when we backport) so we need to keep the current behavior when people use the remote subnet SG manager | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | as long as that requirement is fulfilled, we can experiment with anything else :) | 18:58 |
| rukansari | ivar-lazzaro: can you clarify "we need to keep the current behavior when people use the remote subnet SG manager" | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: the new SG patch has 2 different sg manager | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: ^^ | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: one is a backward compatible sg manager, which uses remote subnets just as we do today | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rukansari: when that manager runs, we need to keep the same limitations we have had so far | 18:59 |
| rukansari | ivar-lazzaro:got it! | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: hence the suggestion to document the limitations/constraints so that everyone is on the same page | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright we are the hour | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed? | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (name change is still on the table, not forgotten!) | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: my favorite! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 19:01 |
| rukansari | Have a question w.r.t: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166424/8/gbpservice/neutron/services/servicechain/drivers/simplechain_driver.py | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: can we take it to #openstack-gbp? | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are passed the time | 19:02 |
| rukansari | Is this an issue that that this admin user has to be a member of each and every tenant? | 19:02 |
| rukansari | ok | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rukansari: yes, that will be the case | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good observation | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright, thanks everyone for joining! | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:03 |
| igordcard | Bye | 19:03 |
| Yi_ | bye | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 19:03:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-11-18.02.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-11-18.02.txt | 19:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-06-11-18.02.log.html | 19:03 |
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| mattgriffin | hi megm | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | ready to talk HA Guide? | 20:00 |
| megm | Hi, mattgriffen! How's the new job going? | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i start on next Monday. took the week off and am in Florida now with the family | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | bit of a rainy day but will head to the beach later :) | 20:01 |
| megm | Oh, cool. Well, Florida -- I spent 2-1/2 years there and hope to never set foot in the state again ;-) | 20:01 |
| megm | Where in Florida? | 20:01 |
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| mattgriffin | haha | 20:01 |
| megm | Hi, nickchase! | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | i'm at Seaside near Destin | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | hi nickchase | 20:02 |
| megm | Destin? Are you up north? | 20:02 |
| nickchase | hey, mattgriffin | 20:02 |
| nickchase | hi, megm | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | megm, yes. between Destin and Panama City | 20:02 |
| nickchase | I used to live in archer | 20:02 |
| nickchase | outside gainsville | 20:03 |
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| megm | Ah. Well, better thee than me -- enjoy! | 20:03 |
| nickchase | oh hell, note "used to" | 20:03 |
| nickchase | I'm LONG out of there | 20:03 |
| megm | Archer? Clearly, I did not learn much Florida geography in my sojourn, did I? | 20:03 |
| * mattgriffin looks at google maps | 20:03 | |
| nickchase | So tiny that we referred to the local Dollar General as the "Archer Mall". | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | haha | 20:04 |
| megm | nickchase ;-) | 20:04 |
| nickchase | Hence my reference of it as "outside gainesville" :) | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:04 |
| nickchase | where the sherriff would respond to a 911 call within 45 minutes -- if they weren't busy with something else. | 20:04 |
| nickchase | Not that they weren't being responsive; it just took that long to get there. | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | nice | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | i had a few agenda items for the meeting today ... but i will go ahead and officially start the meeting | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 20:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 20:05:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:05 |
| megm | I saw the agenda... | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | anyone else here for the HA Guide meeting other than megm and nickchase ? | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm, cool. yeah 3 items | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | first ... | 20:06 |
| megm | And three people ;-) | 20:06 |
| nickchase | I apologize for falling off the face of the earth during the pre=summit/summit/post-summit period. :) | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | ah! i need to reach out to those great people that came to the room during the Summit... doh! | 20:07 |
| megm | And a couple other names that have popped up of late as well... | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin contact the contributors that came to the room in Vancouver to contribute | 20:07 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, re: those that popped up, can you DM or email me their names/emails? | 20:08 |
| megm | Yes, I'll email them after we're done here. | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | thanks | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | ok... agenda :) | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | first, i wanted to take a stab at a timeline... | 20:09 |
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| megm | Nice timeline... How do we get some names assigned to some doc topics/pieces? | 20:09 |
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| mattgriffin | and I wanted to try out a product management application :) ... | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | i think i can add names to tasks/milestones ... i'll look into it... | 20:09 |
| megm | Ah, preparing for the new job, eh? ;-) | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | here's the link | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | yes | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://mattgriffin.aha.io/published/d04139fdb37ba3edd4fa88dd0d22728a?page=2 | 20:10 |
| nickchase | congratulations, mattgriffin | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | it's very high level but just to set expectations with those outside the team regarding what we're delivering and when ... as well as to keep us moving to a goal | 20:10 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, thanks :) | 20:11 |
| nickchase | ok, so as far as what I can do, I'm guessing my job is to try and corral the SMEs for reviews, yes? | 20:11 |
| nickchase | and do we need more content from them? | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | there are essentially 3 releases: 1. RST migration; 2. New HA Guide reviews and updates; and 3. HA Guide translation | 20:11 |
| megm | It seems like we should have more time between completing the RST migration and the New HA Guide... block | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | megm, #2? | 20:12 |
| megm | And I think I can complete the RST migration before July 11 | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | megm, yeah. i was being conservative. what's realistic? | 20:12 |
| megm | Ah, so is #1 more than just what I'm doing? | 20:12 |
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| mattgriffin | #1 is just migrating the existing guide to RST and the new ToC | 20:13 |
| megm | Conservative for the piece that is resourced and in process; extremely aggressive for the real work that doesn't seem to be well-resourced at this point ;-) | 20:13 |
| megm | Here is what is done and merged: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/ha-guide/ | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | megm, ack... #2 is the time where the content will be verified, updated, and gaps will be filled in | 20:14 |
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| megm | I would REALLY like to see a little bit of work done on this before it is published -- it's pretty rough... | 20:14 |
| megm | Nick, what sort of Mirantis resources are available? | 20:14 |
| megm | Matt, are your percona resources still on-board? | 20:15 |
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| nickchase | well, the release is almost out the cdoor so we should be able to get the team back totgether | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | megm, need to verify | 20:15 |
| megm | People could start working now, actually. But let's say that I finish the RST conversion -- how do we proceed? | 20:16 |
| nickchase | we have two ways to proceed, in my view: | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm, re: getting more work before it is published... we can start #2 earlier (before the completion of #1) as sections mature content-wise | 20:17 |
| megm | We do have someone from the RabbitMQ team waiting for me to finish that conversion (today) and they will take that over | 20:17 |
| nickchase | 1) convert everything that's there, then start a mini-project to review what's there and kill what's wrong. | 20:17 |
| nickchase | 2) hold the conversion and start a mini-project to note what's wrong before converting. | 20:17 |
| nickchase | megm, you're doing the converting so it impacts you the most. | 20:17 |
| megm | I'm thinking we need a little table with "topics" and content owners. | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | +1 | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | megm, | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | i can start a spreadsheet on that. ok? | 20:18 |
| megm | Matt, does your little project management tool allow that or should we do something more basic | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | yeah. i suppose i could use the tool for that | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | i'll try it out | 20:19 |
| megm | mattgriffin, the method of tracking this is up to you -- I'm neutral... | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, re: the choices, i'm +1 for #1. my fear is that we will nitpick content updates (which are constantly moving throughout the cycle) and delay the actual RST migration | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | i think we need to migrate first and get people reviewing the content there so RST becomes the right way to update content ... might be a bit rocky this cycle but hopefully we can retire the docbook version in the fall | 20:20 |
| megm | I think the RST conversion is going fairly well. The delay is in getting +1's so stuff gets merged... | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | we know that a big problem is essentially the structure of the entire guide. investing in rebuilding in docbook would be a waste in my opinion | 20:22 |
| megm | A few things have gotten merged just arbitrarily -- I have no idea what is causing that but I don't really care. | 20:22 |
| megm | The doc core team are very responsive, however. | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | that brings me to my other 2 agenda items... | 20:22 |
| megm | I had at one point hoped that some people would do some substantive reviews on the conversion CRs so they weren't quite so crufty when they were merged. | 20:22 |
| megm | But this works, too ;-) | 20:22 |
| mattgriffin | in my opinion, megm really needs reviews :) | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | and i know that i need to get on that | 20:23 |
| megm | mattgriffin, +1 | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:23 |
| nickchase | I'll help out too. :) | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | excellent | 20:23 |
| nickchase | (sorry for missing this week, megm) | 20:23 |
| megm | Alternately, we can just tell the doc core people to go ahead and merge everything that is building -- now that junk has been merged, no sense stressing over the rest of it, right? | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | if megm has all links to CRs in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps then i think it's best to go from the top down | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin and nickchase will do reviews of megm's CRs | 20:24 |
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| megm | I think a couple of the CRs there have been merged -- I'll go back and update that after I submit the RabbitMQ CR. | 20:24 |
| megm | But I think all the CRs I've done are there -- and looking at the list gives some idea of progress. | 20:25 |
| megm | Although I think some of the topics do not have old content. | 20:25 |
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| mattgriffin | megm, ok. reviewers just need to keep in mind that the goal of this stage is to fit existing HA Guide content into the best spot in the new RST structure ... the next phase will focus on improving the content itself | 20:26 |
| megm | I hope to have all of the "install/configure controller" pieces converted by early next week. | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | megm, cool. how do you want me to update the target completion date for the migration ? | 20:27 |
| megm | mattgriffin, that is true. But the next phase can start now for any content that has been merged | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | megm, yeah... i was just going to ask which sections, in your opinion, are pretty much there so nickchase can get some of his colleagues to start to take a look at the content? | 20:28 |
| mattgriffin | when the release is out the door | 20:28 |
| megm | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:28 |
| nickchase | So do me a favor: tell me exactly what IO need to have people looking at right now. | 20:29 |
| megm | People can start at the top with concepts and hardware now. | 20:29 |
| megm | I need to finish RabbitMQ, Keystone, and Heat (if there is anything) | 20:30 |
| nickchase | At which URL? | 20:30 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:30 |
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| mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ | 20:30 |
| megm | I'd like to finish the conversion by 6/19 and I think that is possible | 20:31 |
| nickchase | great. thx | 20:31 |
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| mattgriffin | just made notations in the pad | 20:31 |
| megm | Pacemaker/Corosync is really important -- I'll convert that after I finish RabbitMQ and hope that "someone" (Bogdan?) can get to work. | 20:32 |
| nickchase | Bogdan, yes. | 20:33 |
| nickchase | he's been very helpful/willing | 20:33 |
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| megm | We also need a technical person to own the flow of the doc through having the Controllers configured. I have zero confidence that these pieces are in the correct order | 20:34 |
| megm | Bogdan is a dream! He knows a lot, writes beautifully... If we have a big chunk of Bogdan, we're in good shape. | 20:34 |
| mattgriffin | #action Need a technical person to own the flow of the doc through having the Controllers configured | 20:34 |
| mattgriffin | i need to run soon... can we recap? | 20:35 |
| nickchase | getting a big chunk of Bogdan will be problematic but I'll do what I can | 20:35 |
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| megm | Any chunk of Bogdan is good! He can always delegate -- just his perspective. | 20:35 |
| mattgriffin | so we need to review megm's CRs... | 20:35 |
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| megm | Nick, do you have people ready to start working on the Networking pieces? | 20:36 |
| mattgriffin | we need to clone Bogdan | 20:36 |
| megm | Yes, Meg finish conversion, people review so stuff gets merged. | 20:36 |
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| megm | mattgriffin, clone bogdan! +4 | 20:36 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:36 |
| nickchase | Networking may actually involve linking over to or including from the networking guide. | 20:37 |
| megm | Meg to send Matt names of other contributors; Matt to reach out | 20:37 |
| radek_ | hi everybody, sorry for being late | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | and megm, as you said, will finish conversion... just add notices to the pad when the content can begin to be reviewed ... and i'll pay closer attention to CRs and do reviews faster to keep the train moving | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | ack megm re: names | 20:37 |
| megm | Meg to send Matt list of "work topics"; Matt to populate his tool with this info so we can assign owners and track progress | 20:37 |
| mattgriffin | #action Meg to send Matt names of other contributors | 20:38 |
| mattgriffin | hi radek_ we were actually just wrapping up ... or i need to run | 20:38 |
| megm | Shamail owes me some work on Storage Backend options -- he knows it ;-) | 20:38 |
| radek_ | ok no problem | 20:38 |
| radek_ | my bad | 20:38 |
| mattgriffin | radek_, would love some help with reviewing CRs here... | 20:38 |
| mattgriffin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps ... from top to bottom | 20:38 |
| radek_ | sure | 20:39 |
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| megm | Hi, radek! I can stay online if you want to chat... | 20:39 |
| mattgriffin | thanks! | 20:39 |
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| radek_ | just one question | 20:39 |
| megm | Radek has been doing a lot of reviews -- I think his reviews are what have gotten some stuff merged | 20:39 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:39 |
| mattgriffin | radek_, ok | 20:39 |
| radek_ | so we moving all the XML docs to RST now ? | 20:39 |
| megm | All of the ha-guide do you mean or all the docs? | 20:39 |
| radek_ | HA | 20:40 |
| mattgriffin | radek_, yes. focusing on migration to RST and the new table of contents ... not the quality of the content yet though | 20:40 |
| mattgriffin | :) yes... just the HA Guide content | 20:40 |
| megm | mattgriffin, perhaps it's time for us to close contributions to the XML guide? | 20:40 |
| megm | Tell people who want to modify content in the meantime to contact me and I'll see that what they need gets converted fast | 20:41 |
| mattgriffin | megm, i thought about that and went back and forth. let's do that when the migration is done | 20:41 |
| radek_ | so one point on this, when I look on some of the RST new files they tend to have kind of random line length | 20:41 |
| megm | radek, I believe that some portions of the XML ha guide are not being converted because they are obsolete -- | 20:41 |
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| radek_ | ok | 20:41 |
| megm | like active/passive RabbitMQ | 20:41 |
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| megm | I am marking pieces that aren't converted so that someone can verify -- we may need to maintain some of that info even if we don't advocate using it on the latest releases | 20:42 |
| radek_ | so in other projects the .rst files tend to have 80 chars long lines | 20:42 |
| megm | Radek, do you know about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:42 |
| radek_ | in the files I see in gerrit this is completely random | 20:42 |
| radek_ | not yet :) | 20:43 |
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| megm | That shows the structure of the new doc and which pieces have CRs for converted info | 20:43 |
| radek_ | need to do my homework | 20:43 |
| mattgriffin | hehe | 20:43 |
| mattgriffin | gotta run guys. thanks for joining. great meeting ... need to end the meeting to get the log | 20:44 |
| radek_ | I am new to this so forgive me | 20:44 |
| megm | radek, line length... The OpenStack style says max 70 characters per line except for URLs and commands, etc | 20:44 |
| nickchase | thanks mattgriffin | 20:44 |
| radek_ | ok | 20:44 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-11-20.05.html | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-11-20.05.txt | 20:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-06-11-20.05.log.html | 20:44 |
| megm | This is giving me fits for tables -- I had a discussion with Andreas and need to write to the larger group to discuss | 20:44 |
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| megm | Right now, Jenkins has a checkniceness FAILURE for lines that are 70 chars or longer | 20:44 |
| radek_ | I thought it's 80 | 20:45 |
| radek_ | ok | 20:45 |
| megm | I think it should be 80... | 20:45 |
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| radek_ | ok I need to read the CRUDE PROJECT PLAN | 20:45 |
| megm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Markup_conventions#Avoid_long_lines | 20:45 |
| radek_ | are we going to have meeting next week too ? | 20:45 |
| megm | But I think checkniceness should be 100 because of tables | 20:46 |
| radek_ | right | 20:46 |
| megm | Unless they can use a different value for tables than for plain text | 20:46 |
| radek_ | this is something what we should be able to check in the openstack infra code somewhere | 20:46 |
| radek_ | this is something what we need to check | 20:47 |
| megm | I have one table that had some long strings in the first column. So I ended up having paragraphs in the third column that can only be coded with 2-3 words per line | 20:47 |
| megm | RST tables are tough enough -- this is really awkward | 20:47 |
| megm | Yes, Andreas said that checkniceness can be set to any value we want. | 20:47 |
| megm | Yes, we meet every week at the same time | 20:47 |
| radek_ | ahhh ok | 20:47 |
| radek_ | this is probably some settings in jenkins | 20:47 |
| radek_ | jenkins test(s) | 20:48 |
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| megm | At issue is that the greater docs group needs to agree on policy. | 20:48 |
| radek_ | I guess they have the same problem with tables like we do | 20:48 |
| megm | I like shortish lines for text -- I prefer logical syntactical breaks (sentence, clause) but that's probably too much for some people | 20:49 |
| radek_ | :) | 20:49 |
| megm | I'm not sure how many docs have already been converted -- I think Networking was the first and HA Guide may be the second | 20:50 |
| megm | A few little things have cropped up along the way... | 20:50 |
| radek_ | we can probably fix that | 20:50 |
| radek_ | ok listen thanks for the info | 20:50 |
| radek_ | I need to do my _homework_ | 20:50 |
| megm | Thank YOU for all your support! | 20:51 |
| nickchase | user guide was the first | 20:51 |
| radek_ | my pleasure :) | 20:51 |
| nickchase | networking was second | 20:51 |
| nickchase | they're doing the admin guide now, I think | 20:51 |
| megm | There is just too much homework and it's too hard to find info! I've been asking plenty of dumb questions; Andreas, Lana, Christien and the others have been very gracious | 20:51 |
| nickchase | anyway, I"m going to take off | 20:51 |
| nickchase | thanks to both of you | 20:51 |
| radek_ | see you next week ! | 20:51 |
| nickchase | there are no dumb questions | 20:51 |
| nickchase | just dumb answers. :) | 20:51 |
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| megm | Thank you -- please give Bogdan my sincere love and say I'm looking forward to working with him. | 20:51 |
| nickchase | will do | 20:52 |
| nickchase | later! | 20:52 |
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| megm | And that he can make any changes (or tell me to make any changes) that he thinks are warranted. | 20:52 |
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