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| ajo | hi :) | 14:00 |
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| sfinucan | hey | 14:00 |
| vikram__ | hi | 14:01 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:01 |
| vhoward | hey | 14:01 |
| ajo | let's start :) | 14:01 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 14:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:01 |
| ajo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QoS#2015-05-06_14:00_UTC | 14:01 |
| ajo | #topic API microversioning spec implications | 14:02 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136760/ | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API microversioning spec implications (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:02 | |
| moshele | hi | 14:02 |
| ajo | I have included this first point after talking to sc68cal today :) | 14:02 |
| ajo | I recommend reading it if you have time, | 14:02 |
| irenab | hi | 14:02 |
| vikram__ | it's too long:) | 14:02 |
| vikram__ | i tried but couldn't complete | 14:02 |
| ajo | this should give us more flexibility about how we model the API & evolve it, but it probably won't be available until mid L (I'm supposing here) | 14:03 |
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| ajo | vikram__ :D yeah, it needs a good coffee to read it | 14:03 |
| ajo | sc68cal, any comments? :) | 14:03 |
| vhoward | will take a look thanks | 14:03 |
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| ajo | ok, let's move on | 14:04 |
| ajo | #topic Changes to the QoS API spec: scoping into bandwidth limiting | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Changes to the QoS API spec: scoping into bandwidth limiting (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:05 | |
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| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/9..10/specs/liberty/qos-api-extension.rst | 14:05 |
| ajo | I iterated a couple of times on the spec since last week | 14:05 |
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| ajo | armax, from the drivers team had some time to review and provide feedback | 14:06 |
| ajo | he asked for some changes in the data model (I'll get to that later) | 14:06 |
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| ajo | and he asked to scope the initial work into bandwidth limiting | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | ajo: sorry, just got scrollback - nothing to add | 14:08 |
| ajo | I know sc68cal has comments about my spec title change, but we can find something in the middle, as I keep repearing: I believe it's better if we prepare the data model and the API to be more close to the final desired state that... if we keep changing it and jumping unnecesarily. | 14:08 |
| vhoward | yeah saw that, we would love for the data model and api to be flexible enough for our use-cases for marking our network traffic i'll put some notes to help in the spec? | 14:08 |
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| ajo | vhoward +1 | 14:09 |
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| vhoward | cool, i can put some notes in for us | 14:09 |
| vhoward | and help out as you need, just let me know | 14:09 |
| ajo | Check the comments about traffic classification & ideas, | 14:10 |
| vhoward | cool ajo, thanks for the tip will read up today | 14:10 |
| ajo | I believe it will be better modeled like that (I have a point later in the meeting for it) | 14:10 |
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| ajo | #topic Changes to the QoS API spec: modeling of rules (class hierarchy) (Guarantee split out) | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Changes to the QoS API spec: modeling of rules (class hierarchy) (Guarantee split out) (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:10 | |
| ajo | ok, if you see , I've modified the current data model, per armax suggestion, to make it more specific | 14:11 |
| ajo | I keep the QoSPolicy, composed of QoSRules | 14:11 |
| ajo | but now every rule type may have a QoS<type>Rule | 14:12 |
| ajo | extending the basic rule information with the specific parameters | 14:12 |
| ajo | Also, there was a discussion about splitting rules into smaller combinable chunks, | 14:12 |
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| ajo | like, guarantees... since there could be plugins not able to provide guarantees, while others would. | 14:13 |
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| ajo | The idea is plugins can implement rule types as a whole, and separate optional aspects into separate rules (they finally combine in a policy) | 14:13 |
| ajo | if you see issues with the current changes, speak now, or... otherwise speak into the spec :) | 14:15 |
| irenab | ajo: comparing to specify ‘guarantee level’ atribute in the rule itslef? | 14:15 |
| ajo | irenab, what do you mean? | 14:15 |
| vikram__ | I feel the QoSRule is carrying more information now. How about splitting it out. | 14:15 |
| irenab | ajo: what you mentiond before .. like, guarantees | 14:16 |
| ajo | vikram__, see comments, Traffic Classification fields are going to be splitted out. | 14:16 |
| ajo | but for later iterations, not now | 14:16 |
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| ajo | just wanted to see how it looked, and the drawbacks of what I had in mind | 14:16 |
| ajo | irenab, ahh | 14:16 |
| vikram__ | ok.. i feel it's just a suggestion from your end and you need more voting before doing:) | 14:16 |
| ajo | for example, the previous ratecontrol: max_kbps=10000 min_kbps=3000 | 14:17 |
| ajo | could be expressed as | 14:17 |
| ajo | bandwidthlimit max_kbps=10000 + another rule for guarantee min_kbps=3000 | 14:17 |
| ajo | guarantee could have a field to say if it's strict, or best effort | 14:17 |
| ajo | or we could have a separate rule for besteffort/strict | 14:18 |
| ajo | vikram__ +1 :D | 14:18 |
| ajo | irenab, this way, if the plugin doesn't opt in tu support the "guarantee" rules... you can't just push that rule | 14:18 |
| vikram__ | +1 for separate rules. Because it could be vendor specific. | 14:19 |
| sfinucan | +1 - very granular | 14:19 |
| gsagie | ajo: i think that what ever model which will be easy to extend with extensions which dont effect other plugins just those that implement them is good, | 14:19 |
| gsagie | so seperating the rules sounds good as long as the user can understand what is supported and what is not, or do you mean the add will just fail? | 14:20 |
| gsagie | in case something is not supported | 14:20 |
| irenab | gsagie: +1 | 14:20 |
| ajo | gsagie, yes, that's one of the things, it fits well in the extension world, but... we'll have microversioning | 14:20 |
| ajo | yes, | 14:20 |
| ajo | gsagie, there's a point about checking incompatible rules | 14:20 |
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| ajo | we will need a mechanism to check rules as they are added to see if they can be implemented with the other rules already in the policy | 14:21 |
| ajo | for example, you can't ask for a guarantee (min_kbps) > bandwidthlimit (max_kbps) | 14:21 |
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| ajo | around this (successive extensions), we had another point in the agenda | 14:23 |
| ajo | #topic Discuss multiple API end points (per rule type) vs single. | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss multiple API end points (per rule type) vs single. (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:23 | |
| ajo | with this model, if we had an API end point per rule type (this is being discussed in comments of the spec right now) | 14:23 |
| ajo | we could just add one extension per rule | 14:24 |
| ajo | (rule type) | 14:24 |
| ajo | hmmm, sorry, I'm mixing things up :) | 14:24 |
| ajo | that makes a nonsense :) | 14:24 |
| ajo | we just extend the port & net once with the QoSPolicy, right? :) | 14:24 |
| ajo | (-1 on me, please :) ) | 14:24 |
| vhoward | ;) | 14:25 |
| irenab | ajo: I guess you mean extending the QoS extension with more qos rule types | 14:25 |
| ajo | yes, more about extending the API | 14:25 |
| ajo | there are two options here, we can have one api end to create rules | 14:26 |
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| ajo | or we can have an api endpoint per rule type | 14:26 |
| gsagie | ajo : the problem in the world of decomposition is that one might not know of other extensions and it will be hard to maintain (especially with what you said above about checking rules) | 14:26 |
| gsagie | so i think in a centralized place, if i understood what you mean :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | I'm talking about... | 14:26 |
| * ajo scrolls on the spec | 14:27 | |
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| ajo | about having: | 14:27 |
| ajo | POST /v2.0/qos-<type>-rules | 14:27 |
| ajo | one per type | 14:27 |
| ajo | or... | 14:27 |
| ajo | just a /v2.0/qos-rules | 14:28 |
| irenab | ajo: by api end point, you mean REST resource /qos/XXX or different path? | 14:28 |
| ajo | where we post & get , UPDATE,e tc | 14:28 |
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| ajo | irenab correct, API endpoint is another port listening for requests, right? | 14:28 |
| irenab | ajo: this is my understanding | 14:29 |
| ajo | ok :) | 14:29 |
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| ajo | so, I mean different rest resources, vs single for types of rules... | 14:29 |
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| ajo | I have no strong preference for one of another, | 14:30 |
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| vikram__ | To me having one is better.. it can help to minimize the coding effort | 14:30 |
| ajo | it was my understanding that having separate ones was preferable from armax POV | 14:30 |
| ajo | I guess having one, requires a big "switch" at the api endpoint, to create one rule or another | 14:30 |
| irenab | ajo: I think we should go with option that allows easier extension for new type | 14:30 |
| ajo | and validate | 14:30 |
| gsagie | but you will have single one, you need some code that parse and knows which attribute belongs to which type | 14:30 |
| ajo | api endpoint I said again.. | 14:31 |
| gsagie | if you | 14:31 |
| ajo | ajo-- | 14:31 |
| ajo | :) | 14:31 |
| vhoward | +1 arenab | 14:31 |
| ajo | gsagie, yes, I guess that's it | 14:31 |
| vikram__ | gsagie: but we can reuse most of it. | 14:31 |
| ajo | vikram__, client coding doesn't need to be more complicated it's just a string in the middle of the URL qos-%(type)s-rules | 14:32 |
| ajo | also, from the cmdline interface, | 14:32 |
| ajo | going one way or another could mean we have separate commands, or just one | 14:32 |
| ajo | I believe having just one could be messy because we may end up with a lot of optional commands which only apply to certain rules | 14:33 |
| ajo | unless the argparser we use is capable of having another level of optional flags | 14:33 |
| vikram__ | ajo: Thanks for the explanation... I got it .. having 1 cmd is better to manage i feel | 14:33 |
| gsagie | or maybe just /v2.0/qos-rules/<extension or type>/.... | 14:34 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:34 |
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| ajo | gsagie, could be, yes... | 14:34 |
| ajo | I wonder if we have this kind of class inheritance somewhere in the project | 14:34 |
| ajo | and any API which does the dame | 14:34 |
| ajo | dame->same | 14:34 |
| ajo | across openstack | 14:34 |
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| ajo | ok, we need to iron this parts out | 14:35 |
| ajo | I will look at the argument parser we use in the client, to figure out if we can put everything under a single command, while still having a clear help | 14:36 |
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| ajo | about what arguments apply to each rule type | 14:36 |
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| ajo | and for the REST part, let's keep discussing on the spec. | 14:37 |
| gsagie | k | 14:37 |
| irenab | ajo: +1 | 14:37 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:38 |
| ajo | #action ajo check if argument parser in the client can handle all rules in one set of commands while still providing granular control of which flags apply to each type | 14:38 |
| ajo | #undo | 14:38 |
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| ajo | #action ajo check if argument parser in the client can handle all rule types in one set of commands while still providing granular control of which flags apply to each type | 14:38 |
| ajo | rules -> rule types | 14:38 |
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| ajo | #topic Traffic Classification considerations | 14:39 |
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| ajo | I believe most of you already read that part of the comments, | 14:39 |
| ajo | I was proposing to (when we do TC) create another data model to do traffic classification | 14:40 |
| ajo | so that it can be attached to rules | 14:40 |
| irenab | ajo: +1 | 14:40 |
| ajo | this way we don't need to repeat the same filters for rules targetting the same type of traffic | 14:40 |
| vikram__ | ajo: +1 | 14:41 |
| irenab | once we get there, need to be careful when this object can be modified | 14:41 |
| irenab | not to create too many update dependencies | 14:41 |
| gsagie | yes, good point | 14:41 |
| ajo | yes, as it will affect several rules | 14:41 |
| ajo | at that time we may need to analyze what's better | 14:42 |
| ajo | we either let them reattach each rule to a new TC | 14:42 |
| ajo | or... | 14:42 |
| ajo | modify the TC | 14:42 |
| ajo | but that means lots of rules could be updated at the same time | 14:42 |
| ajo | from the user usability perspective it's probably simpler to let them change a TC | 14:42 |
| ajo | messaging could be short | 14:43 |
| irenab | the impact can be high | 14:43 |
| ajo | yes it needs to be seriously considered | 14:44 |
| irenab | but we can decide later what approach to take | 14:44 |
| ajo | yes | 14:44 |
| ajo | in an ovs / openflow world | 14:44 |
| ajo | we could make use of conjunctive rules | 14:44 |
| vikram__ | A TC change impacting lot of rules.... Can this be a real use case ? I am not sure.. Is it a practical scenarion? | 14:45 |
| ajo | and just modify the rules in the conjunction... that is mapped to the TC | 14:45 |
| ajo | vikram__, probably it could only happen if an administrator needs to correct a TC which was wrong | 14:45 |
| ajo | or make it more specific | 14:45 |
| ajo | probably it's not going to ve a common use case | 14:45 |
| ajo | or... | 14:46 |
| ajo | or a CSP | 14:46 |
| vikram__ | ok.. but that could not be frequent.. | 14:46 |
| ajo | sorry... nothing about CSPs :) | 14:46 |
| ajo | but.. we also have the same case with policies | 14:46 |
| ajo | if a CSP has a policy for his cloud | 14:46 |
| ajo | and it's changed, | 14:46 |
| ajo | (for example BW limit to 10mbps to certain level) | 14:46 |
| ajo | it may need to propagate to a lot of ports | 14:47 |
| ajo | But , the admin could also create a new policy, and reattach the networks | 14:47 |
| ajo | one by one | 14:47 |
| vikram__ | ok | 14:47 |
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| ajo | ok, we have another point about "The ingress vs egress differences and issues." | 14:48 |
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| ajo | probably it's just a matter of documenting the scalability implications of modifiying a policy (or TC), or creating and switching... | 14:49 |
| ajo | API documentation I mean | 14:49 |
| ajo | I get you all bored :D | 14:50 |
| ajo | ok | 14:50 |
| ajo | #topic The ingress vs egress differences and issues | 14:50 |
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| sadasu | ajo: we are listening :-) | 14:50 |
| vikram__ | i am with you till now:) | 14:51 |
| irenab | ajo: you are just very verbose | 14:51 |
| ajo | garyk was making an interesting point in last meeting, about including an ingress/egress field | 14:51 |
| ajo | irenab: that's true :D | 14:51 |
| ajo | I can be either very shy, or very chatty... ;) | 14:51 |
| sadasu | I think the idea of including a direction field is a good one | 14:52 |
| ajo | I was looking at the implications of supporting egress & ingress control from the linux perspective | 14:52 |
| ajo | linux (in netfilter) has only direct support for egress control | 14:52 |
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| ajo | egress is simpler because you can just tell the packet pushing VM or instance... "I can't take anything more", and the app get's blocked on send... | 14:53 |
| sfinucan | ajo: Open vSwitch is the same | 14:53 |
| sadasu | I would expect the egress direction to be more useful than ingress | 14:53 |
| ajo | gsagie had some ideas bout ingress (metering), but we haven't been able to check yet | 14:54 |
| sfinucan | there's basic ingress metering, but that's it | 14:54 |
| ajo | sfinucan, but we're not sure if we can make it drop packets or not above some rate | 14:54 |
| vikram__ | is it documented somewhere? | 14:54 |
| ajo | OF1.3 metering, gsagie do you have the link somewhere? | 14:55 |
| sfinucan | It is somewhere...but I don't recall where :) | 14:55 |
| sfinucan | I was testing it ~3 weeks ago. It dropped packets | 14:55 |
| vikram__ | hehehe-:) | 14:55 |
| ajo | there are ways to do ingress (if we couldn't use metering for this), but they are twisted | 14:55 |
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| sfinucan | but it was a very rough estimate | 14:55 |
| ajo | generally, involves creating a secondary tap/interface, where you send all the ingress traffic which should go to the instance, and then... you filter it's egress | 14:56 |
| sfinucan | this should get you something useful -> "sudo ovs-vsctl set interface $IF_NAME ingress_policing_rate=1000" | 14:56 |
| ajo | you bounce it back, and finter egress | 14:56 |
| ajo | filter | 14:56 |
| sfinucan | ajo: sounds about right, yes | 14:56 |
| vikram__ | thanks ajo will check it | 14:56 |
| sadasu | ajo: +1 | 14:56 |
| ajo | sfinucan, ok, we may check that, | 14:56 |
| ajo | vikram__, if have time to check sfinucan : perfect | 14:56 |
| sfinucan | ls | 14:57 |
| ajo | "test what sfinucan said" I mean, sorry | 14:57 |
| vikram__ | ok will do that.. | 14:57 |
| ajo | https://github.com/mangelajo/ovs-experiments/blob/master/qos/qos_traffic_shapping.sh | 14:57 |
| ajo | this could help you testing | 14:57 |
| ajo | https://github.com/mangelajo/ovs-experiments/blob/master/qos/qos_traffic_shapping.sh#L124 | 14:57 |
| ajo | hmm | 14:57 |
| ajo | it's actually what I did | 14:57 |
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| ajo | but it was limiting egress? | 14:58 |
| ajo | may be I got it inverted | 14:58 |
| gsagie | sorry | 14:58 |
| gsagie | back | 14:58 |
| ajo | hi gsagie | 14:58 |
| ajo | we're near to the top of the hour | 14:58 |
| gsagie | egress is more usefull sadasu | 14:59 |
| irenab | ajo: i light of new feature request psocess | 14:59 |
| gsagie | ok, anyone got to check the OF1.3 metering support in OVS? | 14:59 |
| gsagie | i will try to find out for next meeting (or before) | 14:59 |
| ajo | thanks gsagie | 14:59 |
| irenab | process, do you plan to continue over existing spec till it gets accepted? | 14:59 |
| ajo | #action vikram__ to check ingress_policing_rate | 15:00 |
| ajo | #action gsagie to check OF1.3 metering and ratelimiting support in OVS | 15:00 |
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| ajo | irenab, yes, it's a good field for discussion | 15:00 |
| ajo | then, depending on what's decided, we could move it to devref | 15:00 |
| ajo | or shrink it / split it | 15:01 |
| ajo | does it sound reasonable? | 15:01 |
| irenab | ajo: yes | 15:01 |
| ajo | ok let's endmeeting for today | 15:02 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 15:02:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-06-14.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-06-14.01.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-05-06-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
| ajo | thanks everybody :) | 15:02 |
| vikram__ | bye | 15:02 |
| ajo | vikram__, | 15:02 |
| sadasu | thanks all! | 15:02 |
| vhoward | bye, thank you | 15:02 |
| sfinucan | cheers | 15:02 |
| ajo | if you can, use my script to verify the ingress limiting, | 15:02 |
| ajo | it's very simple, just run it... | 15:03 |
| vikram__ | ok .. | 15:03 |
| vikram__ | will try | 15:03 |
| irenab | bye | 15:03 |
| ajo | and verify the output, may be I mixed up things and I'm getting it inverted or something I thought it was egress | 15:03 |
| vikram__ | thanks ajo | 15:03 |
| ajo | but clearly, says "ingress" :) | 15:03 |
| ajo | bye :) | 15:03 |
| vikram__ | :) | 15:03 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 17:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 17:00 |
| alaski | hello hello | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | o/ | 17:00 |
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| alaski | #topic Cellsv1 testing | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cellsv1 testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| vineetmenon | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | http://goo.gl/lZRucu | 17:01 |
| alaski | a fix went in late yesterday for cellsv1 | 17:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | failures are low right now, but there's not much data yet | 17:02 |
| alaski | there have been three failures, two of which were on stable branches | 17:02 |
| bauzas | sounds nicer | 17:02 |
| alaski | which does raise the question: can we vote on master only? or should we backport to stable? | 17:03 |
| alaski | well, probably not an or | 17:03 |
| dansmith | I think we can vote only on master | 17:03 |
| alaski | okay, good | 17:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: you mean having the job set to voting for master only ? | 17:03 |
| alaski | yes | 17:03 |
| bauzas | mmm, AFAIK the job is set to vote or not, and then we call it for any project | 17:04 |
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| alaski | I know that jenkins wasn't happy recently, so I don't know how good the data we have is. but we should watch it closely now | 17:04 |
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| alaski | bauzas: okay. I guess we need to look into it to see what we can do | 17:05 |
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| bauzas | alaski: https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul/layout.yaml#L652-L653 | 17:05 |
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| bauzas | alaski: we can add a branch | 17:06 |
| bauzas | alaski: so the answer to your question is yes | 17:06 |
| alaski | okay | 17:06 |
| bauzas | who actions that ? | 17:06 |
| alaski | I will propose some backports for stable, but in the meantime we should separate failures by branch | 17:07 |
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| alaski | and see how close we are to being good on master | 17:07 |
| alaski | bauzas: it's not needed yet, was just a question | 17:07 |
| bauzas | build_name:"check-tempest-dsvm-cells" AND message:"Worker Balance" AND build_status:"FAILURE" AND build_branch:"master" gives us only 2 failures since your patch merged AFAICS | 17:08 |
| bauzas | but sure we can leave it running for another round, sure | 17:08 |
| alaski | it's been less than a day at this point | 17:09 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:09 |
| alaski | #topic Specs | 17:09 |
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| alaski | the requestspec changes merged | 17:10 |
| bauzas | yup | 17:10 |
| bauzas | I'm working on the implem now | 17:10 |
| alaski | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176078/ is next up for that series | 17:10 |
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| alaski | bauzas: great | 17:10 |
| bauzas | alaski: should provide a WIP patch soon | 17:11 |
| alaski | when that gets to a good point I'll start working on perisistence, if the spec is merged | 17:11 |
| bauzas | alaski: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76234 is a dependency tho | 17:11 |
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| alaski | I've completely changed the scope of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141486/ | 17:11 |
| alaski | scheduler interactions with cells | 17:11 |
| alaski | bauzas: ok | 17:12 |
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| alaski | while writing that last spec I found that we're missing a table to map hosts to cells, so I'll put something up for that | 17:12 |
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| bauzas | cool | 17:13 |
| alaski | and I don't have a fleshed out spec for storing enough data to return an instance for a list/show | 17:13 |
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| alaski | so I need that as well | 17:14 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: Mapping hosts to cells seems counter-intuitive | 17:14 |
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| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: why ? | 17:14 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | A compute node can be added to a child cell any-time | 17:14 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | API cell shouldn't know or care how/when that is done | 17:14 |
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| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: it needs to know where to send messages for it | 17:15 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | it only needs to know child cell | 17:15 |
| alaski | right, but it needs to get that info from somewhere | 17:16 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | maybe the child cell should handle the internals | 17:16 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | but that's just over top of my head | 17:16 |
| alaski | there are two cases here where we need to know how to route | 17:16 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: how do you route calls ? | 17:16 |
| alaski | the scheduler returns a host, which cell is it in? | 17:16 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | maybe the spec will answer those questions | 17:16 |
| alaski | the host api needs to update/query a host, where is it? | 17:16 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | hmm... cellsv1 style naming maybe | 17:17 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | *shudders* | 17:17 |
| alaski | yeah :) | 17:17 |
| alaski | I think that for the most part a cell doesn't need to know it's a cell, or which cell it is | 17:18 |
| alaski | that's a label the api cares about | 17:18 |
| vineetmenon | dheeraj-gupta-4: any reservations against cell-host mapping? | 17:18 |
| alaski | though that's muddled with scheduling slightly? | 17:18 |
| alaski | woops, didn't mean a ? there | 17:18 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | vineetmenon: No it just seemed odd for a moment | 17:18 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: I understand the hesitation. I'm open to alternatives that aren't named based. | 17:19 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | yes.... I see the motivation now | 17:19 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | wasn't clear when you first mentioned it | 17:20 |
| alaski | okay | 17:20 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: I think you need to forget cells v1 :) | 17:20 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: :) | 17:20 |
| bauzas | there should be no longer child and parent cells, just cells and api | 17:20 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | cool | 17:21 |
| alaski | so outside of the specs I mentioned, and one for multiple rpc endpoints, I think that's about what's on our plate this cycle | 17:21 |
| alaski | and also the scheduling stuff that's not really cell specific but affects us | 17:21 |
| alaski | anything else on specs? | 17:22 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| alaski | if so it can go here | 17:22 |
| alaski | anyone have something to bring up? | 17:22 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: During Kilo closure one patch about talking to multiple DBs got held up | 17:23 |
| bauzas | just one question, could we maybe ask again people if they are happy with moving this alternate time one hour before ? | 17:23 |
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| bauzas | on a personal note, that's just conflicting my w/l balance :) | 17:23 |
| alaski | bauzas: the 2200 one? | 17:23 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161906/ | 17:23 |
| bauzas | nah, I'm fine with this one, the 1700 one | 17:24 |
| bauzas | this time | 17:24 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: oh, thanks for bring that up | 17:24 |
| alaski | that will be necessary as well | 17:24 |
| alaski | I'm not sure where it falls spec wise at this point | 17:24 |
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| dansmith | moving the 1700UTC one an hour earlier will have conflicts for me | 17:25 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: it might be something we can just open a bp for | 17:25 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: okay | 17:25 |
| bauzas | dansmith: no worries, just asking the question :) | 17:25 |
| bauzas | alaski: need resubmitting the spec ? | 17:25 |
| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=cells-v2-mapping gives 404 ;( | 17:25 |
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| alaski | bauzas: the spec was close as implemented afaik | 17:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: so it was partial because it misses that change, right ? | 17:26 |
| bauzas | missed even | 17:26 |
| alaski | bauzas: I think we should go for a bp, it's not a big change | 17:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: agreed | 17:27 |
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| alaski | also, sounds like we should keep this time for the meeting. but if it interferes you can leave me comments before the meeting and follow up with the logs | 17:27 |
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| vineetmenon | alaski: so the alternate timing aren't applicable anymore? | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: ack | 17:28 |
| alaski | vineetmenon: it still is. 1700 and 2100 | 17:28 |
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| bauzas | it's just all about family time for dinner :) | 17:28 |
| bauzas | but that's fine | 17:29 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: 1700 UTC or 1600 UTC both work for me | 17:29 |
| bauzas | I'll handle that | 17:29 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: dansmith has conflicts for 1600, let's stick with the current time | 17:29 |
| alaski | bauzas: totally understood. hard to get everyone with so many timezones | 17:29 |
| vineetmenon | alaski: ack | 17:29 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: ok | 17:29 |
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| alaski | bauzas: lets revisit later, perhaps at the next dst shift | 17:30 |
| alaski | anything else for today? | 17:31 |
| bauzas | alaski: again, no worries | 17:31 |
| alaski | bauzas: okay | 17:32 |
| bauzas | crickets ? | 17:32 |
| alaski | yep | 17:32 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:32 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 17:32:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-06-17.00.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-06-17.00.txt | 17:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-05-06-17.00.log.html | 17:32 |
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| vishwanathj | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:30 |
| slaweq | hello | 18:30 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: hi | 18:30 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: badveli hi | 18:30 |
| vishwanathj | Hi All | 18:30 |
| badveli | hello sumit and all | 18:30 |
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| xgerman | hi | 18:30 |
| vikram__ | hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | xgerman: vikram__ SridarK: hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 18:31:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
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| pc_m | hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any announcements any one wants to share? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:32 |
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| sballe | hi | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sballe: hi | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still have the high priority doc bug | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for posting the new patch set | 18:33 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries - sorry learning this stuff :-) | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli any other critical/high show up on your radar? | 18:33 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: also thanks to pc_m for review and Diane F for fixing things | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing from me | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks as always | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah did notice diane posting immediate fixes | 18:34 |
| pc_m | sure np | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is yushiro here? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i did not follow up on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176589/ | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: do you know why the Cisco CI failed on this? | 18:35 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: not sure - i will follow up on this | 18:36 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i don't think we should have any impact with the change | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:36 |
| SridarK | np at all | 18:37 |
| vishwanathj | seems like there are lot of bugs related to FWaaS when using REST API...seeing that pattern | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs to discuss? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: “lots” of bugs? | 18:37 |
| vishwanathj | lots ==> 2 to 3 :) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i think those or validation bugs | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or -> are | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | adding tighter validation to existing cases | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am referring to a couple of those filed by yudhiro | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *yushiro | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | that's how I know that there are 2 or 3...yushiro has been finding them | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: but sorry to stop you, did you have a follow up comment to that? | 18:39 |
| vishwanathj | I was going to ask if we are lacking tests | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i think in general more test cases is always desired | 18:40 |
| vishwanathj | so that we can look at it from that angle during reviews for future code commits | 18:40 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | very few projects would be able to say - we are completely covered on the tests :-) | 18:41 |
| vishwanathj | no more comments from me | 18:41 |
| vishwanathj | agreed | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so yes definitely, any effort to add test coverage will be very much appreciated | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | i am also seeing this as a positive thing that more folks are looking at FWaaS | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: true | 18:41 |
| vishwanathj | true | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah the more people beat it, the more things will be uncovered | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok if nothing more on bugs, lets move on | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh before we move on, SridarK is the doc patch complete, or do you need help with wrapping it up | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am asking because vishwanathj was offering to help yesterday | 18:42 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks - i think i am good - i am hoping to get the policy and rule stuff pushed up today | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will definitely need validation once that happens to make sure all attributes are covered | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:43 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but i will shout out if i need some help :-) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | easy way to review for the rest of the team would be to look at the rendered docs | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rather than reading the source | 18:44 |
| SridarK | this has been a pattern match and reproduce experience :-) | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: :-) | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Liberty Features | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | last week i requested the team to update participate in updating the wiki #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would hope that as we propose more features they get added to: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Blueprint_Tracking | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | FWaaS Rules Direction: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171340 | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: over to you | 18:46 |
| slaweq | yep | 18:46 |
| slaweq | I'm here | 18:47 |
| slaweq | have You got any questions or sugestions about that? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | slawek hi - had one query for discussion | 18:47 |
| slaweq | yes? | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: please go ahead | 18:48 |
| SridarK | slaweq: was wondering if had thoughts abt the direction being associated with a collection of rules as a policy or as a firewall | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i hope we didnt lose anyone in the split | 18:48 |
| SridarK | slaweq: full disclosure: as our vendor implementation we associate direction with the firewall to say " i want the firewall to be applied on all ingress traffic or egress traffic" | 18:49 |
| slaweq | I didn't think about it | 18:49 |
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| SridarK | slaweq: i am okay with what u have - but wanted to ask if that would make sense as well | 18:49 |
| SridarK | fwaas folks here ? | 18:50 |
| slaweq | I don't know, I was thinking about it more like about of iptables for example | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i am still here :-) | 18:50 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:50 |
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| badveli | some problem, but i am here | 18:50 |
| slaweq | so You can apply rule to specify "chain" by setting direction on it | 18:50 |
| SridarK | sorry some activity going on at least as i see it in my viewer | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, there was a network split | 18:50 |
| vishwanathj | i am still here....but saw a bunch of people leave in batches and join in batches | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | slaweq: just a thought to discuss if it makes sense and evaluate | 18:51 |
| vikram__ | yes | 18:51 |
| * pc_m not here mentally :) | 18:51 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, please continue, i think we did not lose anyone | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: lol! | 18:51 |
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| xgerman | + for iptables | 18:51 |
| slaweq | ok, so You think about something like "ingrees policy" and "egress policy" | 18:51 |
| SridarK | slaweq: i will post on the review - but thought we can do a quick discussion here too | 18:51 |
| slaweq | instead of rules | 18:51 |
| SridarK | slaweq: we don't have that notion on policy - we have single policy model | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: is it something you envision as an additional feature to what you slaweq has already proposed? | 18:52 |
| SridarK | but sort of to say "lets FW all ingress traffic" | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or is it instead | 18:52 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no just looking at the notion of direction being applied at the rule level | 18:52 |
| slaweq | imho if you want to firewall all ingress traffic You can put rule to allow all egrees and rules to filter ingress traffic | 18:53 |
| slaweq | for example | 18:53 |
| SridarK | slaweq: yes for sure | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: in your observation the granular usage in more prevalent? | 18:54 |
| SridarK | slaweq: just the question of granularity, the opposing argument as in ur proposal would be in a policy u may want some rules to be for ingress some for egress | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in -> is | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: just to clarify, did you mean associating the direction with a firewall policy or a firewall? | 18:55 |
| SridarK | slaweq: the granular is more flexible, just to dot the i's i ask the question | 18:55 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes exactly | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean in the context of the vendor implementation | 18:55 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:55 |
| vikram__ | SridarK: Did you mean associating direction to a bundle of rules? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for our model, firewall can be associated with exactly one policy, so if effectively the direction is on the firewall (if its associated with policy) | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | vikram__: yes was asking if that is something that would make sense | 18:56 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes exactly | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets post the comments on the review | 18:57 |
| SridarK | slaweq: i am ok with the proposal - just wanted to bring up the discussion and to get ur thoughts | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: sorry it took longer to get to this stage of the discussion | 18:57 |
| vikram__ | but in the current model how to achieve it? | 18:57 |
| slaweq | but IMHO if direction will be associated with policy or firewall instead of rules then You can't filter some ingress and some egress traffic, yes? | 18:57 |
| SridarK | slaweq: yes - u are correct | 18:57 |
| slaweq | if firewall could have more than one policy then it may sense for me | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think garnular definitely affords more flexibility, however from a usage perspective it might also be easier to define the direction for the policy (rather than having to apply inidividually, assuming that is a predominant use case) | 18:58 |
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| SridarK | slaweq: definitely more flexibility - just wanted to look at it from a typical usage point of view | 18:58 |
| vikram__ | sumit: +1 | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on to badveli’s spec and patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 18:59 |
| vishwanathj | slaweq, let me know if you need any help in coming up with Horizon blueprint and Horizon code for this? | 19:00 |
| SridarK | slaweq: sorry for bringing this up late - intent is not derail - just to make sure we have covered all aspects | 19:00 |
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| slaweq | vishwanathj: thx, I will contact with You about it | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: good point to bring up though | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: should have asked even earlier - brain needs more recharging :-) | 19:00 |
| slaweq | SridarK: it's ok for me :) great that You are asking about it | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: +1, vishwanathj indeed thanks for offering to help out, thats great! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: there? | 19:01 |
| badveli | yes | 19:01 |
| slaweq | ok guys, I really have to leave now, thx for talking about my BP | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | were you able to repurpose your spec for liberty? | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slaweq: thanks a bunch for joining, we will got to gerrit for your spec | 19:01 |
| badveli | not yet sumit, | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ok | 19:02 |
| badveli | sumit, is some one already did the same it might be easier for me to talk | 19:03 |
| badveli | to them and get this quickly | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i havent checked off late, but you can look at the commits on the neutron-specs tree | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last week i also brought up the topic about updating the “project plan” wiki page | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | based on the features we are working on | 19:03 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vikram__: perhaps you can update in the context of the firewall rules direction | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FWaaS/LibertyPlan | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: are you planning to add the zones spec? | 19:04 |
| vikram__ | sure | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vikram__: thanks | 19:04 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes will do so | 19:04 |
| SridarK | And update - | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: there? | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh i thought you were saying there is an additional update in that context :-) | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sorry - i thought my link bounced :-) | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no i will add the spec and update the link - need to close on some issues - some thinking prompted some my questions on the direction spec too | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i believe you were also interested in this, so you and SridarK can sync up | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes we bounced some ideas on this | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other features that anyone wants to bring up? | 19:07 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, definitely would like to work under SridarK guidance | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: will ping u and Karthik for some more thoughts too | 19:08 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, let me know if we need to have additional conversation | 19:08 |
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| vishwanathj | ok | 19:08 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: :-) yes | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone planning any other features for Liberty? | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: you had mentioned L4-7 classification and filtering | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: any update on the refernce implementation candidates? | 19:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think yushiro also had some thoughts but i think he is traveling | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: oh okay, hopefully he will be at the design summit | 19:10 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i think he will be there | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nice | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps yamahata is not around | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor drivers | 19:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any planned changes to the vendor drivers during liberty? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if so please update: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FWaaS/LibertyPlan | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: would vendor stuff come out of the main tree in L ? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we can track the reviews and progress of the patches | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i dont know | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: do you know if we are pulling out the vendor drivers from *aas in liberty? | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok - will be interesting to see if we follow as for neutron | 19:12 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Haven't heard anything | 19:12 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I'm looking at pulling Cisco VPN drivers out, but no community drive to do that. | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: i was not aware of either | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: you feel that its a better model to pull the vendor driver out? | 19:13 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, gives vendor ability to modify independent of community work, and in VPN there are so few people and cores to review that it'll be easier for vendor to get approvals. | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: completely understand | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one advantage of being in tree when there are smaller number of drivers is that its easier to keep the drivers in sync with changes in the project | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | they get more attention | 19:16 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes the breakages are more obvious | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but one can also argue that with a good functional 3rd party CI you can catch things quickly | 19:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional Tests | 19:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: any progress in your exploration? | 19:17 |
| badveli | just started putting things | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: nice | 19:17 |
| badveli | tried an experiment code | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: nice | 19:17 |
| badveli | in unit tests | 19:17 |
| badveli | directly | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay | 19:17 |
| badveli | using name space ping | 19:17 |
| badveli | try to set up the actual rules instead of mock | 19:18 |
| badveli | by using the snat name space | 19:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: with a view to making concrete progress, and faster, can i suggest that (a) you document your exploration on the wiki page | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (b) if you can post a WIP patch with the test code you have written | 19:19 |
| badveli | yes, i can do that | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that way other folks can also jump in and split the work with you | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks for the update | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:20 |
| pc_m | You may want to look at VPN functional test for ideas. | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vikram__: were you able to get your devstack setup going with kilo? | 19:20 |
| badveli | thanks pc_m, i will take a look | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: pc_m is a great help | 19:20 |
| pc_m | nothing committed yet, but out for review. | 19:21 |
| badveli | yes thanks pcm_m | 19:21 |
| pc_m | badveli: https://review.openstack.org/159746 | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m has been blazing the trail in this regard, so please take his guidance | 19:21 |
| badveli | i will take an example that will make my life easier | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks | 19:21 |
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| pc_m | I did a bunch to setup fucntional tests to not stack devstack, but instead to do like Neutron and just configure. | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | do we need to sync up on anything with regards to planning for the Liberty design summit sessions? | 19:22 |
| pc_m | That commit is https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks | 19:22 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: should we set a time where we can meet around a table at Vancouver ? | 19:23 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, FYI: pc_m and I had a quick chat regarding notification registration in FirewallService object.....a bug should be sufficient to track this was our conclusion. I will take the action item to open the bug and work with pc_m to deliver a code fix in liberty. | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: great, thanks for the update (please feel free to add it to the agenda for future tracking) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: +1 to that | 19:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else to discuss today? | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no i am good | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else want to bring up anything? | 19:27 |
| badveli | nothing from my side | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks all for joining! | 19:28 |
| pc_m | You guys meeting next week? | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh yeah just wanted to ask | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shall we skip next week’s meeting? | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and meet directly at the summit? | 19:28 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sure okay bye me - | 19:28 |
| vishwanathj | sounds good to me | 19:28 |
| badveli | bye all | 19:28 |
| vikram__ | bye | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so i will send out an email to -dev | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks for bringing that up ;-) | 19:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright, bye all! | 19:29 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see you in vancouver! | 19:29 |
| pc_m | bye! | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 19:29:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-05-06-18.31.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-05-06-18.31.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-05-06-18.31.log.html | 19:29 |
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| esp | o/ | 20:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 20:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:00 |
| absubram | o/ | 20:01 |
| tqtran | o/ | 20:01 |
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| rhagarty_ | hello | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | letting people trickle in | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | I think they're trickled | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | I don't have any general announcements today | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | I'm going to jump into the agenda | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Drop Django14 support and gate (lhcheng) | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Drop Django14 support and gate (lhcheng) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:04 | |
| lhcheng | hey | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | hey | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | got somethin' to say | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | ? | 20:05 |
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| lhcheng | so rob found out that django14 support is going to be dropped oct 2015 | 20:05 |
| bpokorny | Hi | 20:05 |
| lhcheng | with that, we should probably drop django14 support for L | 20:06 |
| lhcheng | should we publicize it first in operators before doing it? | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | we need to support the next LTS 1.8 before we drop 1.4 | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | but both should happen in L | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | probably should publicize | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | curious, why do we have to wait for LTS1.8? do we need to support last four releases? | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: I think 1.5-1.6 aren't actually supported any more | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | 1.7 is for now | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | 1.8 is out, we just have to make sure it works with horizon | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | (it doesn't) | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | *spoiler alert | 20:09 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: lol | 20:09 |
| * david-lyle may have done that in the wrong order | 20:10 | |
| mrunge | in general, it works | 20:10 |
| lhcheng | and the gate gate-horizon-python27-django14 moves to django17 then? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: yeah | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | once we have 1.8 we could look at dropping 1.5 and 1.6 as well | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: just a few more issues to work out in d-o-a | 20:10 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, yes- | 20:11 |
| mrunge | we may rework our permissions system | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | hmm | 20:11 |
| mrunge | s/may/may need/ | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | I meant to do that anyway | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | with policy and has_perm in the same place now | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | we can take that offline | 20:12 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | any opinions on how many release we should stop supporting? | 20:12 |
| mrunge | but this is something, I'm committed to | 20:12 |
| TravT | mrunge: i'm interested in that as well. | 20:12 |
| mrunge | cool! | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | 1.7 introduces a lot of new features | 20:12 |
| mrunge | sounds good | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | spanning so many releases makes us do strange things | 20:13 |
| mrunge | since we're gating on them, it's not that bad | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | we'll start with fixing up 1.8, drop 1.4 and see where we end up on 1.5 and 1.6 | 20:14 |
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| mrunge | sounds like a plan | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: is there a bp to drop 1.4? | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: sounds good, that question could also go with the django14 drop announcement | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: don't think so | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | sure | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | let's add one | 20:15 |
| doug-fish | does dropping 1.4 for Liberty affect anything for Juno/Kilo? | 20:15 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, I wouldn't think so | 20:15 |
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| david-lyle | shouldn't, except certain backports will become trickier | 20:15 |
| doug-fish | gate jobs? | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | but since we're not adding features in backports | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | the risk of conflict should be minor | 20:16 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, it doesn't hurt us, if we're still gating on 1.4, right? | 20:16 |
| doug-fish | I was wondering more if it mattered with the "drop 1.4" part of the plan | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: not in d-o-a IIRC | 20:16 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, I mean, for juno | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | shouldn't effect juno | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | 1.4 job will still run | 20:17 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: yeah, we should keep those job | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | #topic Session data cleanup (lhcheng) | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Session data cleanup (lhcheng) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:18 | |
| mrunge | lhcheng++ on this! | 20:18 |
| ducttape_ | can we remove the "allowed" cache thing from the session? | 20:18 |
| lhcheng | for the session data, we keep on hitting the cookie limit | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | allowed? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | oh, for nav? | 20:19 |
| mrunge | ugh! that hurts | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | the cached permission thing, yep | 20:19 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120790/ | 20:19 |
| lhcheng | so I've been playing around to reduce the session size | 20:19 |
| lhcheng | the "allowed" cache thing, takes 34% of the session size | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | that's rediculous | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | that's less betta' | 20:20 |
| lhcheng | I suggest to move the caching from session to the django cache instead | 20:20 |
| lhcheng | or maybe just drop it? | 20:20 |
| mrunge | you know how often that's called per page view? | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | should be once per page view | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | but the number required should be dropping | 20:21 |
| mrunge | without caching 10-20 times | 20:21 |
| mrunge | I tried earlier today | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: you mean building the cache? | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | or how many times the cache is read? | 20:22 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I mean, times read | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | all the nav items in the layout stuff, are hiting that a bunch of times | 20:22 |
| mrunge | yes, we should keep the cache | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | we want to move to a model where we don't rebuild the nav on ever panel load | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | only on rescope | 20:22 |
| mrunge | sounds better | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | what is the perf difference with that disabled mrunge? is it noticeable? | 20:23 |
| mrunge | ducttape_, I can't really tell | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: I really think it was for testing | 20:23 |
| mrunge | I didn't measure that | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | ok, thanks | 20:23 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: if the user rescope, this cache does not get reset. you just found a bug. :P | 20:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | in the interim, could a localstorage be used instead of django cache? just thinking of future nav work here ;) | 20:23 |
| TravT | lhcheng: i just saw your comment and was starting reply on it in the patch. | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | r1chardj0n3s: no, it needs to reside on server for current template to use | 20:24 |
| TravT | on the angular side there is also caching | 20:24 |
| TravT | once per page load | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I would believe that the nav component of the page will no longer need to reload | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | thus the purpose of the cache would be gone | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: that's the intention, yes | 20:25 |
| TravT | but one of the things I tore my hair out over was how would I be notifiied when token rescope. | 20:25 |
| ducttape_ | lhcheng - you said you had another place to store that cache? | 20:25 |
| tqtran | well, we can still use localStorage to store things like "last visited page" | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | only the panel part of the page is loading | 20:25 |
| ducttape_ | someplace besides the session? | 20:25 |
| lhcheng | ducttape_: yeah, just store it in django's built-in cache framework | 20:25 |
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| lhcheng | could be by process, file cache, memche | 20:26 |
| ducttape_ | and that would have a unique spot for each user / token then? | 20:26 |
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| lhcheng | yeah, just need to use a unique key for that user/token | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | ok, I think we're all for reducing session size, we can discuss the particulars in a couple of weeks | 20:27 |
| ducttape_ | +1 lhcheng, our session stuff is a constant hassle. ship it | 20:27 |
| mrunge | yes, session size issues are hard to debug | 20:28 |
| lhcheng | so got the size drop by 75% on my local | 20:28 |
| mrunge | cool | 20:28 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: sure, we can discuss the details later | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | #topic Summit Scheduling (david-lyle) | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | I wanted to make sure we have enough time for this | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | session size/storage happens to be one of the proposed topics too | 20:29 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit | 20:29 |
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| ducttape_ | can we also talk about session size then? | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: no | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | let's talk session allocation | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | someone did a nice job sorting through these, I assume either doug-fish or robcresswell | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | not sure | 20:31 |
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| doug-fish | I took a shot at it | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | thanks doug-fish | 20:31 |
| doug-fish | sure np | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | So doug-fish split out topics starting about line 37 | 20:31 |
| TravT | the topics you put at top are down to a single word, so now sure what is meant by some of them | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | I need to publish a schedule so I started trying to figure out what are fishbowl and what are working sessions | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | TravT: they reference the topics starting on 37 | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | my lazin^H^H^H^H^Hshorthand | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | line 63, I don't think websockets applies | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | to that topic | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | I think it would go more with messaging | 20:33 |
| mrunge | yeah | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | if anything | 20:33 |
| mrunge | it's just a q, if we want to go that route | 20:34 |
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| mrunge | there were so many issues to be solved with that | 20:34 |
| TravT | there is a small aspect of websockets aspect to what I'd like to show / talk about with elastic search. | 20:34 |
| TravT | but is not the main point, so separating them is fine with me. | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | do people agree with the fishbowl topics? | 20:35 |
| mrunge | I wouldn't think, *any* messaging infrastructure should take a whole session | 20:35 |
| absubram | Hi all, I put down my request all the way at the bottom L-194 a couple days back.. not sure if anyone got a chance to look at it.. this is to request a better solution to some of the vendor specific code we have in the dashboard section.. | 20:36 |
| TravT | so plugins is really broad. | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I think better error messages and websockets could share a working session ? | 20:36 |
| mrunge | do we want UX in a bigger plenum? | 20:36 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, yes! | 20:36 |
| absubram | Rob C will probably end up doing the work.. but we don’t have a solution just yet.. and we would like to talk about it.. don’t think it warrants an entire session to itself though.. | 20:36 |
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| TravT | david-lyle it seems like there could be a plugins from the context of which projects are core or not and that would probably take a whole fishbowl | 20:37 |
| absubram | some time in the contributor meetup is fine too.. unless others have a different opinion? mrunge? :) | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | TravT: absubram so for plugins | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I think it's a fishbowl and a worksession | 20:37 |
| TravT | but does that cover tech discussion? | 20:37 |
| TravT | ah, ok | 20:37 |
| mrunge | absubram, that would be fishbowl number one | 20:38 |
| absubram | ok.. that’s fine! | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | I want to describe the proposed split and structure | 20:38 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, do we have the possibility to have working sessions after fish bowls? | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | in the fishbowl and then use a working session to plan on implementation | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 20:39 |
| TravT | david-lyle, which one does dependencies refer to? | 20:39 |
| TravT | is that packaging? | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: looks like yes | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yes | 20:40 |
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| david-lyle | we'll have to see how the cross-project session goes, I suppose | 20:41 |
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| TravT | So angular 101 is really broad. | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yes indeed | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | we need more than 1 angular session | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | that one was the 101 to get people up to speed that haven't been neck deep in it | 20:42 |
| TravT | yeah, it'll be tough to cover in 40 minutes that topic. | 20:43 |
| TravT | Maybe the other topic could be an overview of our ideas for moving forward with angular in liberty | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | good idea | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | TravT: it's not a tutorial or class, just a pointer to where we are and how to get started | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | OR we could move the angular chatter to Friday | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | we have all day Friday | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: should cover the styles, rules and layout we've developed for horizon | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | maybe Friday morning is a better angular time? | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, when we're all fresh ;) | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | haha | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | do we want a prioritization work session? | 20:46 |
| mrunge | makes sense | 20:47 |
| TravT | That was a good discussion in the contributors meetup in Paris | 20:47 |
| TravT | As FYI, a number of HP'ers working on angular have to depart shortly after noon on Friday. :( | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | friday afternoon then | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TravT: is that leave-the-venue depart or fly-out depart? | 20:48 |
| TravT | :) | 20:48 |
| TravT | leave the venue | 20:48 |
| TravT | I have to leave the venue at about 2. | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, so we get a solid morning to hassle^H^H^H^H^H^Hwork with you | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | Keystone could be meetup topic too | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | giving merlin a session would be good | 20:49 |
| TravT | mrunge put a topic up that would be good at some point. Moving forward with functions / deprecating old | 20:51 |
| mrunge | TravT, yes! | 20:51 |
| mrunge | TravT, more interesting: how to fix older releases then | 20:52 |
| mrunge | since it's expected to fix in master branch first | 20:52 |
| TravT | straight patch i guess. no cherry picking | 20:52 |
| mrunge | we already discussed that | 20:52 |
| mrunge | TravT, still that bears the risk of patching an issue in master-1 which is still existent in master | 20:52 |
| mrunge | I wonder, if we really need a whole session for this | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | I've been editing away | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | numbering is not priority btw | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | feel free to comment inline or pull something up | 20:55 |
| tqtran | do we need a session for discussing karma and jasmine tests? | 20:55 |
| tqtran | or just jasmine 101? | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | i think that may be part of angular 101 | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so that 40 minutes is filling up quite nicely then ;) | 20:56 |
| TravT | tqtran: matt-borland also can help give a great overview of that and demo stuff related to karma | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: moved it to Friday morning | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | for continuity | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | sake | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | plus I have a feeling more people will show up than just the 28 or so the working session supports | 20:57 |
| TravT | 28 people... that's small | 20:58 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mmm | 20:58 |
| mrunge | we should have a backup plan | 20:58 |
| TravT | i guess we all better get in line and camp out overnight | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | hence working session | 20:58 |
| mrunge | a second topic | 20:58 |
| mrunge | and just capture a different room | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | times up | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | I have yet to decide how descriptive the topics for the working sessions will be | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | don't want too many people | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | observing | 20:59 |
| TravT | i think we had about 40 in the contributor's meetup | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | I'll let the etherpad sit for another day or so then publish a schedule | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | continue to comment on the proposed allocation of spots. | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | Thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 21:00:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| esp | thx! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-06-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-06-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-05-06-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| absubram | bye all! thanks! | 21:00 |
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