| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 00:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 00:00 |
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| etoews | hi | 00:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 00:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | hi | 00:01 |
| etoews | i've got a feeling we're just a trifecta today | 00:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | trifectas for the trifecta tribunal | 00:02 |
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| etoews | trifecats | 00:02 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:02 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:02 |
| etoews | not much out of the ordinary there | 00:03 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 00:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 00:03 | |
| etoews | lemme look at some of the previous meetings for action items | 00:03 |
| etoews | looks like there's some stuff here #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-03-26-16.00.html | 00:05 |
| elmiko | whelp, got my action item done =D | 00:05 |
| etoews | yep. nice! | 00:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | poor etoews with all his action items | 00:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | woops wrong list | 00:06 |
| etoews | :) | 00:06 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:06 |
| etoews | i haven't yet followed up on the meeting time thread on openstack-dev | 00:08 |
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| etoews | jaypipes suggested an afternoon time to work with folks in asia | 00:11 |
| etoews | asia is a big place | 00:11 |
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| jaypipes | etoews: by "afternoon time", you are referring to PST afternoons? | 00:11 |
| elmiko | was that the 2:00UTC time? | 00:12 |
| etoews | JST | 00:12 |
| etoews | sorry...JST afternoons | 00:12 |
| jaypipes | etoews: well, I say that because 7pm EST is 10am Australia/Brisbane time | 00:12 |
| jaypipes | etoews: and I wouldn't call 7pm an afternoon time ;) | 00:13 |
| etoews | any suggestions for a workable time? | 00:13 |
| etoews | this is what i'm using to compare times #link http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ | 00:14 |
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| elmiko | afternoon in Beijing makes the US times pretty late | 00:16 |
| jaypipes | I'm specifically *not* suggesting anything that would be a workable time for the EST folks :) because only late in the evening (i.e. now) would be workable | 00:17 |
| elmiko | fair | 00:17 |
| elmiko | we could do like 6am EST but that would still be like 7pm Beijing | 00:18 |
| elmiko | probably too late | 00:18 |
| jaypipes | yeah... there's really no great solution. which is why the alternating week times were appropriate, IMO | 00:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | 6am EST would be 3AM PST | 00:18 |
| jaypipes | right :) | 00:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | In other words, I approve =P | 00:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | /s | 00:19 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:19 |
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| etoews | would 21:00 UTC be too early for asia? | 00:21 |
| etoews | or 22:00? | 00:22 |
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| etoews | 22:00 == 7 am tokyo and 6 am beijing | 00:23 |
| elmiko | sounds kinda early | 00:24 |
| etoews | ya. i suppose we can leave it as is. | 00:25 |
| etoews | not sure how often i'll be able to make it. i'll try to mention it on #openstack-api more. | 00:27 |
| etoews | let's move on | 00:27 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 00:27 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 00:27 |
| elmiko | might be worthwhile to kick the ml thread again | 00:28 |
| etoews | on the meeting time? | 00:29 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:29 |
| etoews | to what end? | 00:30 |
| elmiko | i was hoping maybe to draw more folks out into the discussion, but maybe it's already at a dead end | 00:30 |
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| etoews | okay. at the very least i'll mention that we discussed it. see if anyone has anymore input. | 00:31 |
| etoews | #action etoews kick meeting time ml thread | 00:31 |
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| elmiko | it's frustrating, but would be nice to hear from more folks who are attending from asia. it just seems like we aren't hearing from too many in that camp | 00:31 |
| etoews | ya | 00:32 |
| etoews | i'm not aware of having anyone from asia attend our meetings. otoh if we didn't have a reasonable meeting time for them then that would guarantee never getting any attendees. | 00:32 |
| etoews | anyhoo | 00:33 |
| elmiko | isn't cdent in australia? | 00:33 |
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| elmiko | i dunno, one of the late meetings we had there were 3 of us and i think cdent said he was in australia | 00:34 |
| elmiko | but yeah, nuff said | 00:34 |
| etoews | that's good to know | 00:34 |
| etoews | elmiko's template is looking mergable :) #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169415/ | 00:35 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 00:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: you're awesome | 00:37 |
| elmiko | aww shucks... | 00:37 |
| etoews | hmmmm...elmiko how were you envisioning pointing people at the template? | 00:38 |
| elmiko | that's a good question, maybe we should add something to the root README? | 00:38 |
| elmiko | i'll add one more patch to the review | 00:39 |
| etoews | i think it should more high profile than that | 00:39 |
| elmiko | what did you have in mind? | 00:40 |
| etoews | maybe in the process doc? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html | 00:40 |
| elmiko | that works | 00:40 |
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| etoews | put the existing text into a section and add a new section briefly describing your template and pointing at it. | 00:40 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:41 |
| elmiko | and hey, our template ;) | 00:41 |
| etoews | :) | 00:41 |
| etoews | sorry that didn't occur to me before... | 00:41 |
| elmiko | lol, no worries | 00:41 |
| elmiko | it's a good idea | 00:41 |
| etoews | i definitely want to be able to share that as a link though | 00:41 |
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| elmiko | k | 00:41 |
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| etoews | commented on the review for pedantry's sake | 00:43 |
| elmiko | works for me | 00:43 |
| etoews | this looks mergable #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131320/ | 00:44 |
| etoews | done | 00:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | I agree | 00:46 |
| elmiko | yea | 00:46 |
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| etoews | i still have some work to do on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167793/ | 00:47 |
| elmiko | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ ? | 00:48 |
| etoews | oops. lemme look. | 00:49 |
| elmiko | might need more consensus, not sure as that reviewer list i think has all the PTLs | 00:49 |
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| etoews | i think it has all of the CPLs | 00:52 |
| etoews | we definitely run the risk of approving something that none of the PTLs/CPLs have really agreed to though | 00:53 |
| etoews | i'm not sure what to do about that | 00:53 |
| etoews | i'm starting to think we might need something like a standing agenda item in the cross project meeting about guidelines that are ready to merge | 00:54 |
| elmiko | that's a nice idea | 00:54 |
| elmiko | at least get folks attention more | 00:54 |
| etoews | #action etoews to put mergable api-wg guidelines on the cross-project meeting agenda and attend c-p meetings | 00:56 |
| etoews | yay. more meetings. | 00:56 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:56 |
| etoews | #topic other topics | 00:57 |
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| etoews | i got an email from lauren sell of the openstack foundation about time/space at the summit for working groups | 00:57 |
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| elmiko | cool, seemed like we had a nice turnout last time | 00:58 |
| etoews | yep. and there's also the call for cross-project sessions too. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LJZxdxE8P2F0WoULZEsRCXeqZP_VgH5nWUdZlbcA68M/viewform?c=0&w=1 | 00:58 |
| elmiko | nice | 00:59 |
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| etoews | deadline is april 27 for c-p session proposal | 01:00 |
| etoews | we can discuss later | 01:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 01:00:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-16-00.00.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-16-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-04-16-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 01:00 |
| etoews | thanks elmiko sigmavirus24 jaypipes | 01:01 |
| etoews | :) | 01:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cheers | 01:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | hi | 14:59 |
| vikram | <Carl>: hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, vikram, pavel_bondar: hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 15:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| devvesa | hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | RC1 was cut and the master branch is now open for Liberty | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | The release is set for the 30th, which is two weeks. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Also the specs repository is open for Liberty. | 15:03 |
| * carl_baldwin remembers that happened last week | 15:03 | |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: what's the deadline for Liberty specs? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, I haven't heard of one yet. | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, I'd say the sooner the better. | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | yeap | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | The summit begins in less than 5 short weeks. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/ | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| * carl_baldwin looking for one to bring up | 15:07 | |
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| carl_baldwin | Just one bug that I know of for Kilo. Bug 1444146 | 15:08 |
| openstack | bug 1444146 in neutron "Subnet creation from a subnet pool can get wrong ip_version" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444146 - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs? | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa, vikram: ping | 15:10 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:10 |
| vikram | hi | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | We got the spec proposed again for Liberty. | 15:10 |
| * carl_baldwin was reading through it last night. | 15:10 | |
| * devvesa has to read it cause he does not remember it | 15:11 | |
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| devvesa | sorry about this, I have a very bad memory | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | I wonder if we should split up the spec to reduce the scope of any single spec. | 15:11 |
| vikram | I just had a glance and gave my comments | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa, It has been a while, I had to read through it again myself. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram, I saw your comments. Thank you. | 15:12 |
| devvesa | vikram: I'll read them as well and answer you | 15:12 |
| devvesa | carl_baldwin: do you think the scope is so wide? | 15:12 |
| vikram | I also felt the spec could be split:) | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa, I didn't think so before but I've learned more about how much scope can really fit in to a single development cycle. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram, I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to split it. | 15:13 |
| devvesa | carl_baldwin, vikram: My feeling is that it can slow down the process of being accepted... but I'll follow your suggestions. You have more experience than me | 15:13 |
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| vikram | In my opinion I was thinking of defining a framework first and then writing another spec for BGP Speaker as an example | 15:15 |
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| vikram | IMHO too much info in one umbrella | 15:15 |
| tidwellr | * | 15:16 |
| tidwellr | *********** | 15:16 |
| tidwellr | *************** | 15:16 |
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| devvesa | If you think that we can define an abstract model for all the routing protocols, that would be great | 15:16 |
| vikram | Yup :) | 15:16 |
| vikram | that exactly what i was thinking | 15:17 |
| devvesa | but (I'm not a big expert) BGP and OSPF are so different that I had to gave up when I thought about it | 15:17 |
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| vikram | Spec says support for dynamic protocol routing.. so should not be BGP specific | 15:17 |
| devvesa | BGP is L3 and OSPF is L2, there is no concept of peers on OSPF... | 15:17 |
| vikram | not exactly.. | 15:17 |
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| vikram | i can help on this.. | 15:18 |
| devvesa | yes, I am completely with you with this, I'm just highlighting the difficulty | 15:18 |
| devvesa | vikram: Your help will be very welcomed | 15:18 |
| devvesa | Let's start ASAP! :) | 15:19 |
| vikram | My pleasure.. | 15:19 |
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| vikram | Sure:) | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | I was thinking along the lines of reducing the use case of the first BP a bit. Maybe go for just announcement of routes first and follow on with another BP to learn. | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram, devvesa: I'm all for refining the model to be more extensible. However, I'm worried that we might be increasing scope if we go after multiple protocols to begin with. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | That said, I don't want our design to paint us in to a corner for the future. | 15:21 |
| vikram | Carl: Saying a generic framework, I meant to refine the existing proposal a bit and make it flexible for future extensibility | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram, I look forward to seeing your proposals. Do you plan to add your feedback to the review? | 15:24 |
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| vikram | Carl, ok... I will document my proposal and send it across.. then we can decide | 15:25 |
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| vikram | will do it ASAP | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram, great. I look forward to it. | 15:25 |
| devvesa | great! | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: earlier this week you sent a message to ML about this BGP efort. If I understood correctly, you were recruiting volunteers. Is my reading correct? | 15:26 |
| vikram | sure | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, I am looking. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, Are you expressing interest? | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: yeah, in the immediate future I wil, help reviewing / polishing he bp's and specs and see how else I can help | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa, vikram: I guess that's it for today. We'll look for vikram's proposal and I'll make notes on the spec review about how I might split it up. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle, great. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's move on. | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: you know i'll need guidance :-) | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:28 |
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| johnbelamaric | good morning | 15:29 |
| pavel_bondar | hi, john | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, salv-orl_, pavel_bondar, tidwellr_: hi | 15:29 |
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| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: can you provide current status on your patch? | 15:30 |
| * carl_baldwin just realized he didn't post draft comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172443 | 15:30 | |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ah - ok. Based on teh ML discussion this is moving into implementing taskflow it sounded like. it's a pretty major rework | 15:31 |
| pavel_bondar | yeah, the number of failures for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153236/ decreased to one digit number, so looks like we are not far from clear pass | 15:31 |
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| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: bringing something to the mailing list is like triggering an avalanche | 15:32 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: :( | 15:32 |
| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: taskflow might come in the future not now. | 15:32 |
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| salv-orl_ | btw, did you receive irc feedback - afaict there has been no reply in the past 6 days | 15:33 |
| salv-orl_ | or is it my mail client hiding mail from me? | 15:33 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: nope. nothing. radio silence | 15:33 |
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| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: it was the RC week, that is understandable | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | savl-orl_: wait, only 2 days | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: my last mail was 2 days ago | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | Right, I see johnbelamaric 's reply from 2 days ago. | 15:35 |
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| * carl_baldwin was finishing his taxes. | 15:35 | |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: fun fun - i got mine done early this year | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I usually do too. Busy year. ;) | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I haven't had a chance to look at this anymore since then. I should have more time next week. I think create_port is probably the worst one - subnets are probably easier. | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: Still - it's a substantial effort touching a lot of code | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, subnets? | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_badwin: I mean, create/update/delete subnet | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Are you talking about automatic subnet allocation paths? | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: IPAM touches create/update/delete port and create/update/delete subnet + the new pools piece | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: so, if we are going to pull IPAM calls outside the transaction, we will be touching all those areas | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, right. We have the advantage with subnet allocation that all of that is new and created by us. | 15:39 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yep. that one is more easily handled. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | afaik, there are no cases where subnet allocation is triggered by anything else but a direct API call. | 15:39 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: that would be good - it's pretty simple to do that | 15:40 |
| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric, carl_baldwin: I bg to differ here... with subnet allocation happening in db_base_plugin_v2 we are supposed to do the call to the driver for allocations pools there | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, There is one snafu with subnet deletion, though that we need to fix. Delete cascades from a network to a subnet. | 15:40 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: I was looking at that | 15:40 |
| tidwellr_ | I'm not sure that's really the case | 15:41 |
| pavel_bondar | <carl_baldwin>: looks like it explicetely calls delete_subent() from delete_network() | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: We would have to do that, yes. The issue is the number of code paths that call into create/update/delete subnets. There are not so many like there are with ports. | 15:41 |
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| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: my point is it's probably doesn't touch too much to do it just for subnets (though I have not confirmed this). But for create_port it's a lot of change. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, right. We should probably stay focused on the create_port code paths for now. Granted, we may have some work to do with subnet allocation but I don't want to take a tangeant here. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | *tangent | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, are you offering to write the bp for teasing out the transactions? | 15:43 |
| salv-orl_ | carl_baldwin: what's this bluepritn? | 15:44 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I could work on that, yes. I think it will require a lot of community feedback - I think there are lots of decisions on how it may be done. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orl_, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061444.html | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | ^ Third paragraph. | 15:45 |
| salv-orl_ | carl_baldwin: this is the email that I missed | 15:45 |
| salv-orl_ | I think it's still the plugabble-ipam blueprint not a new one | 15:45 |
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| salv-orl_ | even if it's approved for neutron I think we should amend that | 15:46 |
| salv-orl_ | unless you want to have a blueprint to seek approval and community feedback before doing the code | 15:46 |
| salv-orl_ | in that case you're in for "add taskflow" feedback | 15:46 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: based on the amount of discussion from the ML (Kevin suggesting taskflow), etc. I thought this was getting to big. | 15:47 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: yes, that's where I saw this going | 15:47 |
| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: if we want to miss liberty that's the direction we should go towards | 15:47 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: If we are re-working that much code, will the community accept it done without more discussion | 15:47 |
| salv-orl_ | unless your plan is to feed a spec to the community and in the meanwhile merge the work as it is | 15:47 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: I hear you. Which is why I wanted to proceed with pavel_bondar's changes. | 15:47 |
| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: cunning ;) | 15:48 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: that's what I was hoping :) | 15:48 |
| salv-orl_ | cunning, but smart | 15:48 |
| salv-orl_ | ok, if that's the plan than let's go ahead with it. | 15:49 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: great, carl_baldwin - sound reasonable to you? | 15:49 |
| salv-orl_ | johnbelamaric: your 1st priorirty should probably be to champion pavel_bondar patch as it is | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orl_, could you restate the plan just to be clear? | 15:49 |
| salv-orl_ | yeah, merge the work that missed liberty as it is | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | I agree we can move forward with pavel_bondar 's patch 1st. | 15:50 |
| salv-orl_ | so that we have pluggable ipam | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: Ok, agreed | 15:50 |
| salv-orl_ | and feed a spec to the community so that they can fight for the best solution | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: Ok, let's do it then | 15:50 |
| salv-orl_ | that would be the point when johnbelamaric says "mission achieved" | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:50 |
| salv-orl_ | ;) | 15:50 |
| pavel_bondar | sounds good | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orl_: :) yep, thank you | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: salv-orl_: any thoughts on who I should pull into the taskflow spec. I am happy to lead that but not a taskflow expert in any way at all | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I know very little about task flow but could learn. | 15:53 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: salv-orl_: ok, what I will do is start a spec detailing some of the issues and concerns (ie, requirements!) and let the community start to present ideas for the solutions | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, sounds good. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else for spam? | 15:54 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: lovely auto-correct. No nothing more more IPAM | 15:55 |
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| * carl_baldwin didn't even notice the auto-correct. | 15:55 | |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 16:07:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-16-15.01.html | 16:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-16-15.01.txt | 16:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-04-16-15.01.log.html | 16:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry for the late end. Got pulled away. | 16:07 |
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| vikram | bye | 16:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-laz_ yapeng_ banix s3wong yamahata: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 18:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| banix | hi | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_16th.2C_9th.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
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| igordcard_ | hello | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs rkukura banix igordcard s3wong ivar-laz_ | 18:02 |
| ivar-laz_ | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #chair rkukura banix igordcard s3wong ivar-laz_ | 18:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam banix igordcard ivar-laz_ rkukura s3wong | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case i drop off | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so upfront, i wanted to discuss the kilo-3 release | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we were due for that milestone now | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however, we are bit behind on the deliverables | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i have proposed that we push out this milestone by at least a couple of weeks | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | let me know if there are any objections | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see any point into getting into RC phase and still be implementing features | 18:04 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Does anything require we do 3 milestones? Could we do 4? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thats a good point | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we could do 4 milestones | 18:04 |
| rkukura | My point is that it would be nice to have a kilo-X milestone that actually works with kilo neutron, etc., for packaging purposes ASAP | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if that is what everyone prefers | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what do others think | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i like this idea of doing a k-3 now and adding another milestone before RC | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that way pacakges can be tested with k-3 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i hear no objections :-) | 18:06 |
| rkukura | Are we also pushing out our kilo-RC1? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok then, i will release k-3 today and we will plan on having a k-4 in a months time | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, this will delay the release | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | or at least thats what it appears like | 18:07 |
| rkukura | makes sense | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok so done | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets start with the standing items | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the only critical at this point is: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro has posted the patch, waiting for our review | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh sorry its been +A'ed | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | its stuck in the merge queue | 18:09 |
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| rkukura | it says merged | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it was rather, its merged now | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good, so no criticals | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: do you need to discuss #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1443606 | 18:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443606 in Group Based Policy "backward incompatible db migration changes" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:10 |
| rkukura | nice to have that in kilo-3! | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | There's also a backport for that | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ | 18:11 |
| rkukura | actually, we need to sort out our DB migrations before we do kilo-3 if we are going to package it | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173051/ | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: do you mind reviewing and closing on this today | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it looks good to me | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I see modified migrations | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | As discussed on the ML, we will merge the "broken migration" first and we fix that right after | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | the reason is that we have a broken patch already merged in master that is waiting for backport | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | does it make sense? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ok | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: can you nag us on getting these reviewed and merged today? ;-) | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok :) | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: you had a -1 on this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ | 18:14 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: Does the patch you linked undo previous changes to existing migrations, or is it changing existing migrations? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you can specify the order in which they need to be reviewed, that it will be easier (just to avoid have to figure this out) | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: undo broken migrations and create new ones | 18:14 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: great! | 18:14 |
| rkukura | I will review today | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: this first #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | then #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173051/ | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and finally the juno packport of ^^^ | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | s/packport/backport | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think my job is done :-P | 18:15 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: not yet! Backport still has to come :D | 18:15 |
| rkukura | My concern is to make sure that for both juno and kilo, once someome installs GBP packages, installing updated packages for the same release doesn’t break the installation | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, i will look out for that | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: yeah that's the objective | 18:16 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173051/ should provide that | 18:16 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: although it doesn't fix the downgrade problem | 18:17 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: but i think we concluded that we don't care about that for now, right? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, there was an issue with the gate yesterday, and some patches which were +A’ed did not merge (the queue was reset) | 18:17 |
| rkukura | Normally, DB schema changes wouldn’t be allowed on a stable branch, but I think we are agreeing they are this time, as long as we keep all the migrations that are getting backported at the head of the chain on master | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am referring to the stable/juno branch | 18:17 |
| rkukura | I don’t think OpenStack supports downgrades any more | 18:17 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: nice! | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets take this discussion to the gerrit reviews, but if possible lets close on this today | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: need your help on that | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss in this meeting? | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks much | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/integration tests | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i added a patch to be able to run jishnu’s test package | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174267/ | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the tests failed, so i am investigating why | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also the integration tests job broke on the stable/juno branch last week after we merged the kilo-sync client patch | 18:20 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What is the timeframe for moving these tests to a proper repo? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: as soon as anyone finds time to refactor and repurpose them match the coding conventions | 18:21 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i started on that path, but its on the backburner | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it was taking significant time | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but, that is definitely the plan | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so regarding the gate job for stable/juno | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have put a tag on the client, prior to the kilo-sync merge patch | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so stable/juno installation should be using the client with that tag/release, which is 0.9.1 | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps this should ahve been discussed in the packaing topic | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: wanted to bring that your attention | 18:23 |
| rkukura | rkukura: OK | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | effectively we have a client release for juno, 0.9.1 (after which we updated the client to work with kilo) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything else to discuss on packaging? | 18:24 |
| rkukura | nothing new this week | 18:24 |
| rkukura | I’d like to get stable/juno and kilo fedora packages out ASAP, but am on PTO for the next week | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:26 |
| rkukura | but I may be able to make some progress once we’ve sorted the migrations and created the releases | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Project Proposal | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no progress on the proposal, its still WIP | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, since we are in the pipeline, we have been graciously offered 5 design summit sessions in a work room setup | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | design summit sessions are only allocated to OpenStack projects, or the ones which are under consideration | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have to be thanful to thierry and the organizers for offering us the opportunity | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets plan | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will setup up an etherpad, please put your ideas on session topics there | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any one have questions on this? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Feature Branch | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the “feature/refactor” branch is in place now | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for the neutron REST refactor effort and also for any subsequent work on the independent server | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:feature/refactor,n,z | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: noticed that you were able to post your patch, great! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng_: Yi: anything to discuss here? | 18:30 |
| Yi | most things went well | 18:30 |
| yapeng_ | so far so good. thanks for setting it up. | 18:30 |
| Yi | the only exception is the test-policy | 18:30 |
| Yi | working on it now | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yi: yapeng_: thanks so much for your patience on this, it was a bit of a learning experience for everyone | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: ah okay | 18:31 |
| Yi | Ivar is helping on that | 18:31 |
| Yi | should be fixed soon | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the help! | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo sync | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165377 | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this activity was completed over the weekend | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we are not in sync with openstack kilo components | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions on this? | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: you mean "now in sync" ? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh is not here (who did the work on this) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh shoot :-), yes i meant are “now” in sync | 18:34 |
| rkukura | Are we in sync for all four GBP components? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so ivar-lazzaro is the only one paying attention :-P | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good question | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we are in sync for server and client | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | automation patch is in review | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think for UI we should be good, but havent checked | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | by automation i meant, GBP Heat | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/167174 | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | magesh informs that he is getting closer | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he will update the spec patch as well | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Reviewing Specs | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-specs+branch:master,n,z | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have some patches in this queue for review | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *ready for review and merge | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong banix: can you take a look? | 18:38 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for posting the updates to the structure | 18:38 |
| banix | will do | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 18:38 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’ll review, but probably not immediately | 18:39 |
| igordcard_ | SumitNaiksatam, ;) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: these should be quick ones though | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | ok | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vancouver Summit | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro and rkukura: over to you for the “hands on lab” discussion | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you want to brief the team on the plans? | 18:40 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are hoping the whole team can participate on this | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | As you know we are having the GBP lab hands-on on thursday, the more GBP developers are there to help the better | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | as for today we are discussing how to deliver a GBP installation to all the participants without relying too much on the conference network | 18:41 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | the usb-stick approach seems to be the most viable for now, but ideas/suggestions on the subject are very welcome :) | 18:42 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | another point is deciding how we will drive the hands on, and whether it should include an installation section or not | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | if you feel like you want to participate these discussions, let me know and I'll include you in the loop (of course I'll still be reporting news every week at the meeting) | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I have nothing else for now | 18:45 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: want to add anything? | 18:45 |
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| rkukura | just that we’ve also been discussing focusing on the app-deployer and net-admin roles | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: right! | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: want to expand on that? | 18:47 |
| rkukura | we were thinking of having participants work in pairs, with one in each role | 18:47 |
| rkukura | this would make sense if we had them using shared hardware, but maybe not if they are using usb sticks on their own laptops | 18:48 |
| rkukura | just kicking around ideas at this point, no decisions made | 18:48 |
| rkukura | thats it for me | 18:48 |
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| rkukura | I think SumitNaiksatam may have dropped off. Anything else on the summit? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | #action SumitNaiksatam to create etherpad for summit topics | 18:50 |
| rkukura | Looks like we’ve covered the agenda | 18:50 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 18:50 |
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| rkukura | Anything to discuss? | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I was wondering if we plan on doing some code sprint at some point | 18:51 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | but with the summit approaching I guess that will happen for Liberty | 18:51 |
| rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: post-summit? | 18:51 |
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| rkukura | Might make sense to do a sprint focusing on the stand-alone server | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | definitively, an early cycle sprint could be useful to get the ball rolling on the server refactor | 18:52 |
| rkukura | anything else, or should we wrap up early? | 18:53 |
| s3wong | +1 | 18:53 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 18:53 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 18:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 18:53:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-16-18.01.html | 18:53 |
| s3wong | thanks | 18:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-16-18.01.txt | 18:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-16-18.01.log.html | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 18:53 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:54 |
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| igordcard_ | bye | 18:55 |
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| banix | bye | 18:59 |
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| megm | Hello? | 19:51 |
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| mattgriffin | hi HA Guide team | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | wow... right on time :) | 20:00 |
| Shamail | Hi mattgriffin | 20:00 |
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| mattgriffin | hi Shamail megm | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | and megm_ | 20:00 |
| megm_ | Hi, guys | 20:00 |
| mattgriffin | hello clouddon | 20:00 |
| Shamail | you made it megm_! | 20:00 |
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| megm_ | Yes, I was available for either time slot -- one of the few advantages of my situation ;-) | 20:01 |
| clouddon | hello Matt, hello all! | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, nice | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | should we wait for nichchase? | 20:01 |
| clouddon | great to see all after a small brk | 20:02 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:02 |
| Shamail | welcome back clouddon | 20:02 |
| clouddon | thx:) | 20:02 |
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| mattgriffin | maybe nick isn't around atm... going to start the meeting... | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide-Update | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 20:03:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide-Update)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide_update' | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | I have an agenda. | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:03 |
| mattgriffin | first item | 20:04 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, to update the Launchpad BP | 20:04 |
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| megm_ | I updated the text | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, cool | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | done! :) | 20:05 |
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| mattgriffin | next item... mattgriffin update progress on writing a spec | 20:05 |
| megm_ | Is it available in the right place? | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | megm_, i think so | 20:05 |
| mattgriffin | re: the spec, i'm following this process - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle | 20:05 |
| clouddon | if u guys dont mind, can u send the link to launchpad plz? | 20:05 |
| Shamail | same here plz | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, Shamail https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 20:06 |
| mattgriffin | maybe when the spec (rst file) is done, we'll change the Launchpad BP "specification" link to point to that | 20:06 |
| clouddon | thx | 20:06 |
| Shamail | The summary of the BP should be changed too? | 20:06 |
| Shamail | sry was still on old topic, my fault. | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | np | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, yes. we can broaden the scope a bit. i have a brief summary in the spec draft which i'll copy/paste later | 20:07 |
| mattgriffin | so for the spec, i'm following this process https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | i've started writing a draft based on the template.rst | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ha-guide-update-2015-spec-draft | 20:08 |
| mattgriffin | i'll work on that for the next few days and try to get it finalized by mid-next week | 20:09 |
| Shamail | looks good mattgriffin, please let me know if anything i can help offload | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | and then submit it | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, thanks | 20:09 |
| mattgriffin | i'll email docs with [ha-guide] in the subject when the draft is further along | 20:10 |
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| clouddon | ihave a suggestion. if ur done with agenda, add? | 20:10 |
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| mattgriffin | clouddon, let's wrap up the agenda items and then open discussion | 20:11 |
| mattgriffin | 2 agenda items for nickchase .... but he's not here :( | 20:11 |
| clouddon | ok | 20:11 |
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| mattgriffin | finally ... last agenda item :) ... i've started a crude project plan to just level set some expectations goals for milestones like the Summit - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | and essentially specifying what needs to happen next | 20:12 |
| mattgriffin | please have a look | 20:13 |
| megm | Looks good. I think Nick has the Step 2 stuff ready to go but he can't check it in until the spec is approved, right? | 20:13 |
| mattgriffin | i think we can finish 1 and 2 before the Summit. agree? | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | megm, probably | 20:14 |
| Shamail | Looks good mattgriffin, i'll add on to the project plan when I can focus on it for a bit. | 20:14 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, great | 20:14 |
| Shamail | I think you should be able to do 1 & 2 pre-summit | 20:14 |
| megm | mat, +1 to before summit | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:15 |
| megm | s//mat/matt/g | 20:15 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:15 |
| Shamail | I also wanted to mention that I would be happy to provide a room for this team if we want to maybe do a 2-4 hour face to face discussion on the guide update. Please let me know. | 20:15 |
| megm | The review/update is the only stretch | 20:15 |
| Shamail | for open discussion but could be added to project plan if we want to meet | 20:15 |
| megm | Any chance to Skype in for people who aren't coming to the summit? | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm, sure! | 20:16 |
| Shamail | Possibly, depends on wifi availability | 20:16 |
| Shamail | Paris had wifi | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, i think that's a great idea | 20:16 |
| Shamail | Just let me know the day/time and duration... i'll secure the room | 20:16 |
| megm | I could even phone in for that matter -- am I the only one who is interested and won't be there? | 20:16 |
| * mattgriffin needs to look at the schedule ) | 20:16 | |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:16 |
| Shamail | megm: :( | 20:16 |
| mattgriffin | megm, :( i think so | 20:17 |
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| clouddon | shamail and i might have clash on friday | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 20:17 |
| Shamail | yeah, thanks clouddon | 20:17 |
| clouddon | we are also volunteering with some other work, which will most likley be held on friday. | 20:17 |
| Shamail | I should add the room I have is only available between Monday and Thursday | 20:17 |
| mattgriffin | Shamail, ok to pick a date/time by next meeting? | 20:18 |
| Shamail | absoutely | 20:18 |
| Shamail | wow, bad typos. | 20:18 |
| Shamail | lol | 20:18 |
| mattgriffin | #action Pick a date/time to meet in Vancouver. tell Shamail by next meeting. | 20:18 |
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| nickchase | so sorry I'm late | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | welcome nickchase | 20:19 |
| nickchase | I completely spaced on the time | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | np | 20:19 |
| Shamail | hiya nickchase | 20:19 |
| nickchase | hey, all | 20:19 |
| clouddon | hey Nick! | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | had 2 quick agenda items to ask you about and then clouddon had one too | 20:19 |
| nickchase | k | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, any updates on agenda items in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 20:19 |
| mattgriffin | convert and chat with Bogdan | 20:20 |
| nickchase | So I can tell you I met with Bogdan and final got sign-off on the TOC. | 20:20 |
| nickchase | got final, I mean | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 20:20 |
| nickchase | so that's done | 20:20 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 20:20 |
| Shamail | the current version is up to date? | 20:20 |
| nickchase | he says it all makes sense to him | 20:20 |
| nickchase | he was going by the wiki | 20:20 |
| nickchase | he also approved Matt's priorities | 20:20 |
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| mattgriffin | current version - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC | 20:20 |
| clouddon | i was about to suggest a one day spring during/ around the summit. we are already talking about getting together | 20:20 |
| clouddon | cool Nick | 20:21 |
| nickchase | right, taht's what we used. | 20:21 |
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| nickchase | I haven't converted anything and figured I wouldn't start until we had the approved spec | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, cool | 20:21 |
| nickchase | because we won't be able to get anything merged until then | 20:21 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, spec is in progress | 20:21 |
| nickchase | I do have a working patch that just starts the framework | 20:21 |
| nickchase | it's ready to merge but held up by that | 20:21 |
| nickchase | Also Evgeny has the list of writers who... | 20:22 |
| nickchase | have volunteered to do various topics (which I will share as soon as I locate it) and now that we have the TOC he can get them started | 20:22 |
| nickchase | so even while we thrash on the spec we can be getting work done. | 20:22 |
| nickchase | they normally write in RST | 20:22 |
| nickchase | so we won't ahve to worry about converting their stuff | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | nickchase, cool | 20:23 |
| megm_ | Sounds great! | 20:23 |
| mattgriffin | ok. clouddon: did you have another topic to discuss? | 20:23 |
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| clouddon | no, just the book sprint | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | clouddon, ok. i think meeting at the Summit to do that would be good | 20:24 |
| mattgriffin | ^ my vote | 20:25 |
| clouddon | yes, great. thanks! +1 | 20:25 |
| Shamail | +1 | 20:25 |
| mattgriffin | courtesy of Shamail :) | 20:25 |
| nickchase | I can't participate at the summit -- i will be totally snowed under -- but I'm probably not much use anyway | 20:26 |
| Shamail | we'll make sure to make it available remotely (if possible) too megm_ | 20:26 |
| megm_ | Thanks! | 20:26 |
| mattgriffin | so a couple of action items... figure out a date/time to meet in Vancouver and tell Shamail by next meeting.... and I will finish the spec, email the team for any review, and submit | 20:26 |
| mattgriffin | ^ and re: date/time... Friday is not an option | 20:27 |
| mattgriffin | any other items to discuss? | 20:27 |
| nickchase | not from me | 20:27 |
| clouddon | me good | 20:27 |
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| mattgriffin | great... ending meeting :) have a great day, all! | 20:28 |
| mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 20:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 20:28:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-04-16-20.03.html | 20:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-04-16-20.03.txt | 20:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide_update/2015/ha_guide_update.2015-04-16-20.03.log.html | 20:28 |
| mattgriffin | minutes will soon be available at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Past_Meetings | 20:28 |
| nickchase | have a great week everyone | 20:30 |
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