Tuesday, 2015-04-14

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devanandao/04:59
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devananda#startmeeting ironic05:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 14 05:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'05:00
mrdao/05:00
devanandahi folks!05:00
pshigeo/05:00
rameshg87o/05:00
naohiroto/05:00
raminenio/05:00
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devanandaI don't expect many of the US timezone folks to be here -- it's quite late and most folks have probably been working long hours on the release the last week05:01
* mrda is thankful for everyone's hard work05:02
wanyeno/05:02
devanandaIt looks like the agenda page wasn't updated (I took a break the last few days and forgot to update it, too)05:02
devanandabut anyway, here's the link05:02
devananda#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic05:02
devanandawill give folks another few minutes to arrive ...05:02
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devananda#topic announcements05:04
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devanandanearly all the announcements on the agenda are old ... because we tagged the Kilo RC a few hours ago :)05:04
mrda\o/05:04
rameshg87\o/05:04
devananda#info Kilo RC tagged late today, Liberty specs and development are open now.05:05
pshige\o/05:05
devanandait looks like some folks (JayF?) have organized an ironic-specs-core meeting Wednesday at 1500UTC05:05
devanandaI believe there was an email from Jay about the spec process changes for Liberty as well, so if you plan to propose things, please see the email / stay tuned for updates05:06
pshigeis the ironic-spec-core meeting for core members only?05:06
devanandanope05:06
devanandait's where spec core team is going to hash some things out, so we will need to stay on task, but others are welcome to be there05:07
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pshigeok05:07
wanyenwill teh spec core meeting take place inthis meeting room?05:07
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devanandawanyen: good question. I don't think so -- I believe it'll happen in our usual chat channel, but I could be wrong05:08
mrda12:30am for me, so I might not make many, even though I'm interested...05:09
devanandaalso worth noting, for Vancouver design summit05:10
pshigeabout an hour, right?05:10
devanandamost projects, including ironic, have started capturing ideas for hteir sessions05:10
devananda#info summit planning for all projects is liked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Planning05:10
devananda*linked05:11
devanandathat's it for announcements05:11
devanandai'm going to skip subteam status this week as we've been really focused on the RC05:11
devanandaand there's really no other agenda right now ... so ...05:11
devananda#topic open discussion05:11
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rameshg87devananda: i hope there may be another rc if required (if we fix enough bugs), right ?05:12
devanandarameshg87: if we have to, yes, but it's quite a process to do that05:12
devanandaRC2...N is handled in mostly the same way as stable backports05:13
devanandathat is, we have to land hte fix on master, then backport it to the proposed/kilo branch05:13
rameshg87okay05:13
mrda...but we'll also be strict and make no string changes at all, right?05:13
mrdajust functional critical bugs?05:13
devanandamrda: right05:14
devanandai mean, not on master -- master is open for liberty now05:14
mrdacool (got asked this yesterday)05:14
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devanandabut if there's a high / critical bug, it should be tagged with kilo-backport-potential, and the fix should be as narrow and minimal as possible05:14
wanyendevananda, we should continue doing  more testing so more problems may get uncovered...05:15
devanandawanyen: ++05:15
mrda...better to catch them now, rather than let our users find them after release05:15
devanandawe also need to begin writing release notes05:15
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devanandaand documenting the upgrade path from juno to kilo05:16
devanandaany questions on the process? or the summit?05:18
wanyendevananda, question for design summit- Will Ironic have session on last day (Friday)?  Will it be in the morningor afternoon?05:19
devanandawanyen: yes, we will have a slot on the last day. I do not know for certain yet whether it will be morning / afternoon / whole day05:19
wanyendevananda, the reason I ask is for travelling planning05:20
devanandaah05:20
devanandalet me check, i might have that info ...05:20
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devanandalooks like we have the whole day05:22
wanyendevananda, ok05:22
devananda#info we will have a full day friday meetup at the vancouver summit05:23
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devanandaanything else? if not, i'm happy to callthis a short meeting :)05:23
wanyen:)05:23
mrda:)05:24
devanandaok then :)05:24
pshige :)05:24
mrdaThanks devananda - now go to bed :)05:24
wanyenthanks05:24
devanandaonce again - many thanks to everyone for the work on Kilo!05:24
devanandahope to see all of you soon :)05:24
pshigethanks05:24
devanandag'night!05:25
devananda#endmeeting05:25
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pshigedevananda: good night05:25
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swamireddy2#startmeeting EC2_API14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 14 14:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is swamireddy2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ec2_api'14:00
swamireddy2ping rushiagr14:00
swamireddy2ping alevine14:00
swamireddy2Hello14:01
swamireddy2Some one joined for EC2 API meeting?14:01
swamireddy2alevine rushiagr14:01
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rushiagro/14:02
swamireddy2rushiagr: welcome14:03
swamireddy2rushiagr:  looks like alevine not into the meeting room..14:03
rushiagroh14:03
rushiagrso we'll finish off our update14:04
rushiagrupdates*14:04
swamireddy2will await for him...mean while you have something to discuss, please go ahead...14:04
swamireddy2rushiagr:  ec2api package and tempest testing...14:05
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rushiagrI was just wondering how the ec2-api project stack up against tempest tests, and also if they have their own tempest tests, which they're maintaining out-of-tree, in ec2-api14:06
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rushiagrbut since alevine is not here, I'll figure out myself now14:07
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rushiagrthere seems to be some functional tests in ec2-api project14:07
swamireddy2rushiagr:  you can send out an eamil on dev mailing list, alevine can reply14:08
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rushiagryea, I'll do that. Or maybe I can personally mail him too if it's a small thing on which only he can help14:08
swamireddy2rushiagr: yes...same as Nova ec2 functionality tests..14:08
rushiagroh, is it? are they exactly same?14:08
swamireddy2either will work14:08
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swamireddy2#action: rushiagr to check with ec2api tempest test configuration14:09
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rushiagrokay, I'll find out14:09
swamireddy2rushiagr:  yes, its looks same as Nova ec2 API functionality tests..(not seen code base), but from the patch review, this is my comment14:10
rushiagrokau14:10
rushiagrokay*14:10
rushiagrI'll find out more14:11
rushiagrI don't have anything else14:11
swamireddy2we ned list out all Nova ec2 API currenly supported...I will take action items on this14:11
swamireddy2#action: swamireddy2 - to list of currently supported Nova EC2 API14:11
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swamireddy2and check if all those are supported in ec2api (ie standalone ec2api) project14:12
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swamireddy2rushiagr: do you any items to discuss ??14:13
rushiagrnope14:13
swamireddy2rushiagr: okay...nothing from my side...we can call off this meeting14:14
rushiagrsure14:14
swamireddy2Thanks for joining this meeting...14:14
swamireddy2bye14:15
swamireddy2#endmeeting14:15
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thinrichsHi all.17:00
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thinrichsWho's here for the Congress meeting?17:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting17:01
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jwyhowdy17:01
thinrichsjwy: just looking at the comments on your patch.17:02
thinrichswhile we wait for others to join.17:02
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thinrichsjwy: I didn't see any major concerns from Alex.17:04
thinrichsjwy: but he didn't +1 it either.17:04
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thinrichsjwy: if you could go back and forth with him to see if there's anything stopping the +1, that'd be good.17:05
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thinrichsAnd you'll want to get those tests in place soon.17:06
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thinrichsWe'll hold off actually doing the branch for a while til we get a good number of the bugs eliminated.17:07
jwythinrichs: i'll check with Alex. will be writing those tests as my next task!17:07
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thinrichsBut we'll need to actually branch and reopen master since there's some work being done for a demo for the summit.17:07
jwythinrichs: which bugs?17:07
thinrichsAnd once we branch, all bug fixes will need to be ported to both branches.17:07
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thinrichsjwy: at this point we stop writing code and start hammering on testing Congress.17:08
thinrichsand fixing any bugs that crop up.17:08
thinrichsAnd synchronizing the docs.17:09
thinrichsFire alarm in the building.  Need to go.17:09
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thinrichsCarry on without me for (hopefully) a few minutes.17:09
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thinrichsOr maybe there'll be wifi where we're headed.17:09
thinrichsTesting..17:11
thinrichsSeems I still have wifi.17:11
thinrichsBut we may have lost the majority of people.17:12
thinrichsIf you're still here for Congress, pipe up now!17:12
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jwystill here17:14
thinrichsjwy: want to give a status update then?17:15
jwywaiting for my policy rule creation patch to finish getting reviewed. also +1ed Rajdeep's implementation for the data source status table blueprint and waiting for someone else to review that17:16
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thinrichsIs the data-source-status table something that we should push into this release?17:16
jwyi think it's ready17:17
jwyit adds a table to the data sources page that shows the status of each data source17:17
jwywe may move that info later to a details page for each data source instead of all in one table17:17
thinrichsjwy: sounds useful.17:18
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thinrichsalexsyip: you took a look at jwy's policy rule creation patch, right?17:19
alexsyipyes17:20
thinrichsYou had a couple of comments but didn't assign a score.  Is it ready to go in?17:20
thinrichsGreat.  I'll push that in then.17:20
thinrichsI'll also take a look at Rajdeep's patch and push that in if it looks ready.17:20
thinrichsAre there any other patches we should consider pushing in today before the feature freeze?17:21
alexsyipYes, she addressed my comments.17:21
thinrichsI gave jwy's a +2/+1.17:22
thinrichsI guess we could consider this patch:17:23
thinrichshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/169526/17:23
thinrichsThe main reason that's -1 is that there aren't tests.  Testing that well could be difficult.17:24
thinrichsWithout good testing, I'd be hesitant to publicize that feature belonging to the release.17:25
alexsyipI had some questions about the threading in that change.17:26
alexsyipI have to ask arosen what is going on with that.17:26
thinrichsOK.  So unless I hear differently we'll delay that change to the next release.17:27
thinrichsOther than jwy's change and Rajdeep's change, we're now in feature freeze.17:27
thinrichsjwy's change will go in today, and Rajdeep's will likely go in today.17:27
thinrichsNow we're at the point where everyone should be running/testing/filing-bugs/debugging.17:28
thinrichsWe also need to sync our docs to the current system.17:28
thinrichsAnd add docs for the new features.17:29
thinrichsLet's be in touch on the ML as we make progress on this front.17:30
thinrichsPlease file bugs and email out about release-blockers.17:30
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thinrichsAnything else about feature freeze and the kilo release?17:30
thinrichsSounds like not.17:32
thinrichsThe other thing we need to do is a PTL election.17:32
thinrichsI'm the only candidate.17:32
thinrichs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015#Timeline17:32
thinrichsNot sure if we technically need to run an election.17:33
thinrichsLast time we did this over IRC.17:34
thinrichsSo let's just have a quick vote, and I'll look into whether we do anything else.17:34
thinrichsSo just +1 if you want thinrichs as PTL.17:34
thinrichs+117:34
jwy+117:35
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alexsyip+117:35
stevenldt+117:35
thinrichsThanks all.17:38
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thinrichsI'll send out email to see if there's anything more official that we need to do.17:38
thinrichsLast topic is the summit.17:39
thinrichs#topic summit17:39
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thinrichsWe have a number of talks/sessions.17:39
thinrichsWe have a Hands On Lab.17:39
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thinrichsWe have a talk on (basically) Delegation in the context of NFV.17:40
thinrichsI'm told we'll have a big room to do a Congress overview for the general public.17:40
alexsyipI found an email about elections.17:41
alexsyipin my inbox17:41
alexsyipIt says there are elections for nova and glance.17:41
thinrichsAnd we'll have another smaller room to do the usual design summit prioritization of blueprints.17:41
alexsyipI think that means we won’t have an election since there is just one candidate17:41
thinrichsalexsyip: great!17:42
alexsyipthe email is titled: “[openstack-dev] PTL Voting is now open”17:42
thinrichsSeems my email filters aren't quite doing what I expect.  Again. :)17:42
thinrichsBack to the summit...17:43
thinrichsThe Congress overview is straightforward; I'll reuse old slides and maybe add some Congress CLI examples.17:43
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thinrichsFor the prioritization of blueprints, we need to have blueprints ready.  So everyone should think about what new features they think are most important for the next release and write up blueprints (and specs for larger features).17:44
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thinrichsIf anyone has ideas about the Hands on lab, let us know.17:45
thinrichsEither now or via the ML.17:45
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jwyoh, Amey was interested in helping out with the HOL17:46
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jwyi'll ask him to ping you17:46
thinrichsThe goal of the HOL is to teach people what Congress does and how to do it.17:46
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thinrichsjwy: sounds good.17:46
thinrichsFor those of you who have just recently started using Congress, do you have any suggestions about what we should cover (or not cover)?17:47
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thinrichsstevenldt: any thoughts here?17:48
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thinrichsOK, well if anyone has any ideas, send them on the ML.17:49
thinrichsAnything else about the summit?17:49
thinrichsLet's open it up for discussion then.17:51
thinrichs#topic open discussion17:51
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stevenldtBasic of congress can be a good introduction to new people: how policy is created, rules, how data are pulled from other services17:51
jwyshould we start putting together an etherpad for design summit topics?17:51
thinrichsjwy: sounds like a good idea.17:52
thinrichsjwy: done.17:53
thinrichshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-liberty-design-session17:53
thinrichsPlease go ahead and add ideas/features that you'd like to discuss at the session.17:53
jwycool17:53
thinrichsstevenldt: that sounds good17:55
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thinrichsI guess that's it for today then.17:55
stevenldtthinrichs: I need to follow up with you on the reactive enforcement.  We can chat in #congress17:55
thinrichsstevenldt: sounds good.17:55
thinrichsLet's start hitting Congress hard so we can catch as many bugs as we can before it goes out the door!17:55
thinrichs#endmeeting17:55
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
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briancurtinif you're around for the SDK meeting, say hi. there's nothing really formal on the docket, just getting back into it after mostly a week off19:01
terrylhoweo/19:01
etoewso/19:02
dtroyero//19:02
* dtroyer not a genetic mutation, still unable to type19:02
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terrylhowefingers not fists19:03
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briancurtinso we were able to get the delete pushed through, and currently have get and create proxy implementations in there. im going to go back through the get comments this afternoon and tomorrow afternoon (flying out tomorrow morning)19:04
etoewsif there's nothing formal, should we just work through the patch queue and see what needs to be done?19:04
briancurtini guess one discussion i would actually like to have is what the create one should actually be doing19:05
etoewssgtm19:05
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briancurtinso i had originally started with something like create_server(self, value=None, **attrs). if you give it a value (an instance of Server), it uses that value as the base to make the request. if you also give it attrs, it sets them on the value. if you only provide attrs, it will create a Server, set the attrs, and send it on. (cont)19:07
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briancurtinthere seemed to be a thought that it should only work with one or the other - you either pass in a resource populated with the props you want, or you pass in kwargs to represent those props - not both. instead the create would have those args mutually exclusive, and something like clone_server could work with both. i dont love that, but i also dont love some19:08
briancurtinof the awkwardness of create_server potentially having mutually exclusive args19:08
briancurtin(that's a longer version of what terry commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168448/2/openstack/compute/v2/_proxy.py19:09
briancurtinterrylhowe: i just saw your comment on there. if we took the way from your last comment, what would be the way to create from a resource object?19:09
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terrylhowewell, if just_like_this_one was a server resource, it would clone19:10
terrylhoweserver create proxy could have logic to remove the id maybe19:11
terrylhowefor convenience of the user19:11
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briancurtini think that's what i originally had in mind19:12
briancurtinmaybe i'll swing it back that direction and see how that works19:12
terrylhowehas any work been done to propogate the delete changes to other proxies?19:13
briancurtinterrylhowe: not yet, that had been approved right around when i took off for montreal. i can throw that together within the next day19:13
briancurtinperhaps in a bit after this meeting depending on what's going on here19:13
terrylhowek19:13
* briancurtin is dancing back and forth between several sprints19:14
briancurtindtroyer: one thing i want to look more into is how SDK can provide you with a backend. what is the ideal output we could give you that you'd ingest in OSC? i seem to remember you wanted to be able to get the raw JSON without going through resource object creation and such19:15
briancurtinand i also seem to remember you had started to hack with something - is that still around anywhere that i could try and bridge the gap between there and where SDK is at now?19:16
dtroyerbriancurtin: closer to decoded JSON, but basically that.  Plus any 'fixes' like s/tenant/project/ etc.19:17
dtroyerThe original proposal is still in gerrit, but the current implementation is what is in openstackclient.api19:17
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briancurtindtroyer: cool, will take a look. i think i might have something. will probably get to it later in the week19:19
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briancurtinterrylhowe: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164061/3/openstack/orchestration/v1/stack.py the name_attribute is set to point to that stack_name, so .name will still work -- i think it maybe makes sense to do it how it is in that review19:21
terrylhowewell, I normally think that the name of a resource will be resource.name19:22
terrylhoweit’ll work as it is, but from the ux view19:22
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briancurtinhmm, yeah19:23
terrylhoweetoews: ?19:23
etoewsi'm just giving this another look...19:24
etoewsit's been a while19:24
briancurtinthe only other places we use name_attribute are for keypair "fingerprint" and floating ip's "floating_ip_address" -- i guess this could just go directly to being the name prop19:25
etoewshold on19:26
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etoewsbut note how above that i did `name_attribute = 'stack_name'`19:26
etoewsso you still wind up using stack.name19:27
briancurtinand you additionally have stack.stack_name19:27
etoewsdo we want to hide that?19:28
briancurtinhowever, that's not unique to this - the other two examples i said also have it, so now i'm trying to wrap my head around it19:28
etoewsi just looked at that too19:28
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etoewskeypair.py and floating_ip.py both have it19:29
etoewsit would be particularly weird to not have floating_ip_address in FloatingIP19:30
terrylhoweyeh, maybe it doesn’t matter because it may be that stack.name and stack.stack_name will both work19:31
briancurtinand it ends up being used by find, and i get why it's used there - that method is sort of in flux with the other API stuff we're doing, but that'll live somewhere if not where it is. so i guess we need it. having both isn't awesome, but it's effectively an alias we need to know about internally19:31
briancurtinso maybe this is all fine as it is in the review19:31
terrylhoweyeh, we do need some tests on the create method though19:31
briancurtintrue19:32
terrylhowehah, jamie is in there now19:33
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etoewsi'm not 100% sure what you mean. can you point me to a good example of tests on the create method in another resource please?19:34
briancurtinyeah, good points - and we've gotten rid of those redundancies anywhere else19:34
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etoewsi'm missing something.19:35
etoewsjamie is where?19:35
etoewswhat redundancies?19:35
briancurtinetoews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164061/19:35
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briancurtinetoews: stack_ prefix on a few otehr things19:36
etoewsah19:36
briancurtinetoews: so s/stack_status/status and s/stack_status_reason/status_reason -- we've trimmed a few other things like that around other services. blanking on an example off the top of my head though19:36
etoewsokay. but do we keep stack_name though?19:37
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briancurtinname = resource.prop("stack_name") is better in that it doesn't have the duplication. i gues i need to research the full reason of why we have name_attribute in case it's anything outside of the Resource.find19:38
briancurtinit doesn't seem like it, and it looks mostly like a convenience thing, although a convenience we don't totally need since you can just set name directly19:39
briancurtinit seems like it's there to make sure everything has a name, but everything can have a name if you just set a name19:39
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briancurtinit's like the opposite of id_attribute, which is set to name on the object_store stuff since they don't actually have the traditional ID values other things do19:40
terrylhowehttps://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/tests/unit/compute/v2/test_server_meta.py#L5019:40
terrylhowe^^ create test19:40
etoewsthx terrylhowe19:42
terrylhoweI originally added name_attribute just for find, there wasn’t a name method I don’t think at the time19:42
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etoewsname_attribute is used in a handful of methods in resource.py19:42
etoewsthe name methods, from_name, and find19:42
terrylhoweanyway, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170343/ are we ready?19:43
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etoewsi am :)19:43
briancurtinfrom_name is probably going away, and we don't really need the name methods, and find sort of has to change. i know that's thinking further ahead, but i think name=prop('stack_name") is the way19:43
briancurtinterrylhowe, etoews let me double check, i think i'm ready on it19:44
terrylhoweyeh agreed briancurtin on all that name stuff, it needs some attention as does find19:44
etoewsjust to confirm. this is the canonical place for our docs right? http://python-openstacksdk.readthedocs.org/en/latest/19:45
briancurtinyeah the name stuff was there to help the object_store proxy's implementation, but since we're not going that way, they won't be needed. i'll do that cleanup once we get further along in doing mass changes that touch those methods19:45
briancurtinand yes, functional is now +2'ed19:46
etoewscool.19:46
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etoewsi'm all for these mass changes and stabilizing the internal api but where does that leave me for developing support for services right now?19:47
etoewsthe orchestration patch is a good example19:48
etoewsseems like so much will be changing/shifting i'm not really sure if i should pursue the patch now or wait until the internal api stabilizes.19:48
briancurtinetoews: can you link the orch patch?19:49
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etoewsthe one we've been discussing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164061/19:49
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briancurtinhah, thought you were referencing another one19:50
terrylhoweit’d be nice if that went in before a mass create change19:50
briancurtinetoews: i think you're fine to just go with it. especially on create that one is going to take some time in review19:50
etoewsam i making sense or am i being overly cautious19:50
etoewsalright. i'll just go for it.19:51
terrylhoweonly the proxy part might change I think19:51
briancurtinyep, that'll be the only part affected19:52
etoewsso now that we have 1 functional test. do we want to consider integration tests?19:54
etoewswait. maybe i shouldn't have used the word "integration".19:54
briancurtinyeah i need a different word in there19:55
etoewsmeans different things to different people19:55
etoewsso eventually we'll have a bunch of functional tests (and that's great) but they'll take a long time to run.19:55
etoewsand may fail in weird ways because they're running against a live cloud19:56
etoewsdo we want to consider using something like betamax or vcr.py with requests?19:56
briancurtini'm not familiar with those, but i know ian is19:57
etoewshttp://betamax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/19:57
terrylhoweas long as the recorded responses are managable19:57
etoewsthat's where i got it (from ian)19:57
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etoewsi caught his talk at pycon19:58
etoewssomething to think about19:58
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etoewsi can see a future where running all functional tests could take longer than an hour19:58
terrylhowethe ruby guys were doing something similar and it got unmanagable because one change and everything would change19:58
terrylhoweyeh, good way to go for a gate especially19:59
terrylhowerun the real test less frequently19:59
etoewsyep19:59
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etoewsnightly against the public clouds and a devstack instance20:00
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etoewsor something like that20:00
etoewsfood for thought20:00
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briancurtinwill look into it and check out his video20:00
etoewsi suppose i should have said sigmavirus24 ^20:00
briancurtinand that's time. thanks everyone, good meeting20:00
terrylhowecya20:01
briancurtin#endmeeting20:01
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