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| vineetmenon | meh! | 16:55 |
| bauzas | :) | 16:55 |
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| alaski | #startmeeing nova_cells | 17:00 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 17:00:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| alaski | argh | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | anyone here for cells? | 17:01 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:02 |
| alaski | #topic Tempest testing | 17:02 |
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| alaski | I looked earlier and saw 11 failures | 17:02 |
| alaski | 10 for the hypervisor extension, and 1 for tenant_networks | 17:02 |
| melwitt | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/ up for adjusting the regressions list | 17:03 |
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| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167564/ removes the hypervisor ones | 17:03 |
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| alaski | melwitt: nice, I missed that in my review list | 17:03 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | It shows 3 failures - one the tenant network ones and two which _might_ be transient, related to authentication or something | 17:03 |
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| vineetmenon | hi all.. | 17:04 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: great | 17:04 |
| alaski | I know bauzas is working on some PCI/RT failures right now, and then hopefully we can get this series moving again | 17:05 |
| melwitt | hm, I didn't realize the hypervisor thing was fixable. I thought the problem was tempest trying to show hypervisor by name without cell path? | 17:05 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | melwitt: Actually it was nova-api trying to route messages to hosts without cell path | 17:05 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | so even nova hypervisor-show was failing | 17:06 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | or even nova-hypervisor-list | 17:06 |
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| alaski | list should work, but show won't work if tempest doesn't pass a full cell path | 17:06 |
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| alaski | I haven't looked at the tests though. if it's using the results of list it should be workable | 17:07 |
| melwitt | much more I have to learn about cells... | 17:07 |
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| melwitt | I'll update my regressions patch and make it depend on yours | 17:08 |
| vineetmenon | melwitt: can you update the regex in etherpad, whcih is to be used? | 17:08 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | alaski: The problem was Service.get_by_compute_host(host) where host is not cell aware, so everything stalls | 17:08 |
| alaski | dheeraj-gupta-4: okay. I need to go through that series yet again and make sure I have it all straight | 17:09 |
| alaski | anything more on testing? | 17:09 |
| melwitt | the container test failures appear transient fwiw | 17:10 |
| melwitt | sometimes I see them fail, sometimes not | 17:10 |
| alaski | I wonder if that just affects the cells job for some reason | 17:10 |
| melwitt | (in checking various tempest cells jobs) | 17:10 |
| alaski | might be something we need to look into before we thing about voting | 17:11 |
| alaski | s/thing/think/ | 17:11 |
| alaski | moving on | 17:11 |
| alaski | #topic Specs | 17:11 |
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| alaski | I've revived the old specs as a start | 17:12 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141486/ | 17:12 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136490/ | 17:12 |
| bauzas | alaski: sorry, missed the beginning, on something else :/ | 17:12 |
| alaski | The scheduling one needs to be split out, but I've been a bit behind | 17:12 |
| alaski | bauzas: I know, no worries | 17:12 |
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| alaski | so reviews are welcome, but more specs will be coming | 17:13 |
| alaski | #topic Summit topics | 17:14 |
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| alaski | we should start thinking about what would be good to discuss at the summit | 17:15 |
| bauzas | alaski: we don't know yet the formal agenda for Nova | 17:15 |
| alaski | sure. but we should be ready to propose things | 17:16 |
| bauzas | alaski: I mean, how long we will have sessions vs. brainstorm | 17:16 |
| bauzas | alaski: and if we'll have sessions, but sure we can begin to think about | 17:16 |
| alaski | I though it was the same as Paris? | 17:16 |
| bauzas | alaski: I can ask ttx about at least if there is any cross-project day | 17:17 |
| bauzas | alaski: and we could bug mikal for the Nova specific ratio of sessions vs. roundtable | 17:17 |
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| alaski | well, either way we'll want to discuss things | 17:17 |
| bauzas | 100% agreed | 17:17 |
| alaski | I think it would be good to have a goal for L in mind | 17:17 |
| alaski | so we can focus on what we'll need to achieve that | 17:18 |
| alaski | I would like to propose a goal of a single cell setup which can boot an instance | 17:19 |
| alaski | very basic, no frills | 17:19 |
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| alaski | but let's think on it and discuss here or in a future meeting | 17:20 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:21 |
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| alaski | anything anyone would like to discuss? | 17:21 |
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| melwitt | vineetmenon: about the regex, the one on the etherpad is the one I use. adding the regressions to it would defeat my purpose of finding out which ones should be in the list | 17:22 |
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| vineetmenon | melwitt, okay.. i'll use the same then. | 17:23 |
| vineetmenon | i had some count mismatch a few weeks ago with yours.. | 17:24 |
| vineetmenon | hence, asked | 17:24 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:25 |
| alaski | seems like we have some reviews to look at for testing | 17:26 |
| alaski | and time to start thinking about what to work on next | 17:26 |
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| alaski | if nothing else we'll close up early | 17:26 |
| bauzas | back :) | 17:26 |
| bauzas | just when you're closing :) | 17:26 |
| alaski | heh, anything to add? | 17:27 |
| melwitt | nice timing :P | 17:27 |
| bauzas | not really, I have a few patches waiting to be reviewed but that's fine, saw the log | 17:27 |
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| alaski | ok. I'll take a look at those soon | 17:27 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:28 |
| bauzas | cool | 17:28 |
| bauzas | byez | 17:28 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 17:28:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-03-25-17.00.html | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-03-25-17.00.txt | 17:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-03-25-17.00.log.html | 17:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: vishwanathj badveli pc_m yamahata: hi | 18:31 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:31 |
| badveli | hello sumit and all | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps shorter meeting today | 18:31 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: and all Hi | 18:31 |
| yushiro | hello | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: hi! | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 18:31:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1432971 | 18:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432971 in openstack-manuals " FWaaS Insertion Model on Routers" [Undecided,New] | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: will you be taking this one? | 18:32 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i will take that one | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1425658 | 18:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425658 in openstack-api-site "FWaaS needs WADL doc to be available in the API reference" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have ^^^ on my plate, but havent been able to get to it | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will work on it, unless anyone else wants to take it | 18:33 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will check in with u on that | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in fact, pc_m is doing something similar on the vpnaas side, so i was planning to follow his lead on this | 18:33 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Just pushed VPN up for review. | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:34 |
| pc_m | FYI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167609/ | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ah okay, so SridarK and I will reach out to out offline on this, thanks for adding us to that thread though and keeping us in the loop! | 18:34 |
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| pc_m | It wasn't hard, just tedious work/ | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: so you had to do it manually? | 18:35 |
| yushiro | pc_m, great! | 18:35 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I did. There is some tool (Oxygen), but I figured by the time I learn how to use it... | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yeah :-) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay bummer! | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:36 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I took LBaaS and did similar thing. | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, i dont see any other new high priority bugs | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, i noticed this: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-odl/+bug/1410330 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1410330 in networking-odl "Add L3, LBaaS, and FWaaS drivers" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Patrick Laurin (plaurin) | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | interesting, it does not actually do anything in the drivers ;-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli: any new bugs that I missed and need discussion? | 18:38 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing else | 18:38 |
| badveli | currently i do not have anything | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli: thanks | 18:38 |
| SridarK | np | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: i think you are still waiting for the neutron patch to merge? | 18:39 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, yes. First, about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145998/, I got +2 by Akihiro Motoki. | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: ok good progress | 18:39 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, So, it is necessary only one "+2". Would you help it? | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: I dont have +2 on neutron repo any more :-) | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: else i would not have waited this long! | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Horizon - Adds configuration support to associate firewall to routers | 18:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon - Adds configuration support to associate firewall to routers (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:41 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162552 | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: absubram: thanks for your effort on this | 18:41 |
| vishwana_ | absubram, thanks for your guidance and patience | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you guys seemed to have worked very hard on this and have been very responsive to the reviewers | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully this will get merged soon | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: big +1 there! | 18:42 |
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| vishwana_ | had test failures that was fixed by one of the horizon cores that has unblocked us now | 18:42 |
| SridarK | vishwana_: and absubram: yes really great how u guys have been churning | 18:43 |
| vishwana_ | hoping things would be easy after I fix the refactor suggestion later this afternoon | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwana_: ah thats great that you are getting help from the cores as well | 18:43 |
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| vishwana_ | I was blocked from Monday afternoon and until very early this morning | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwana_: oh | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything you want to discuss here, or are you good now? | 18:44 |
| vishwana_ | lhcheng one of the cores took it upon himself to fix it.....we are good for now | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sweet | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor blueprints | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I think we got Brocade, Freescale, Cisco, and Mcafee merged in Kilo | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think we missed anything | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: your fix for the varmour UTs was also merged, right? | 18:46 |
| pc_m | nice | 18:46 |
| badveli | yes thanks sumit and all | 18:46 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes u got them all, along with varmour from before now we have a good vendor presence in the project | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: absolutely! | 18:46 |
| vishwana_ | thats great news | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also believe that we have satisfied the requirement to get out of experimental | 18:47 |
| vishwana_ | awesome | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least to my understanding | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i hope so too - something we can discuss with folks at the summit | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: #link https://review.openstack.org/161938 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | should the above be abandoned? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that will be abandoned | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:48 |
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| SridarK | i will remind | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: regarding “experimental” - the kilo release notes will be published before the summit | 18:48 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: oh ok | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i would expect that this time around FWaaS should not be qualified as experimental in those notes | 18:49 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that will good | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we may want to bring up a discussion on time slot, i know it is some really inconvenient time for yushiro | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: perhaps over the next week or so we can think of some alternate slots as well | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: for this meeting | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: good point | 18:51 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, SumitNaiksatam, many thanks :-) | 18:52 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: just wanted to bring this if others has opinions as well | 18:52 |
| SridarK | we can follow up over email at least first among the regular attendees | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets try to keep everyone happy :-) | 18:53 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: but thanks for making the effort to join at what is probably a crazy hour for you | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: what time is it? | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at your end | 18:53 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, It 3:54 A.M. I'm not sleepy :-) | 18:54 |
| vishwana_ | wow | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: yeah, wow! | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we should definitely do something for you | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: do you know other folks from that time zone planning to join too? | 18:55 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think yalei and rui may be others who may be a few hours around that time zone also | 18:56 |
| SridarK | although i am not exactly sure | 18:56 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, Let me see... It may be joined from Viet Nam. | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yushiro sure | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to discuss today? | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing from me | 18:57 |
| badveli | do not want to hold , when is liberty starting | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i will ping you offline | 18:59 |
| badveli | ok, thanks sumit | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 19:00 |
| yushiro | sorry all, If you have any time, would you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157355/ ? this is needed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147396/ | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: sure | 19:00 |
| SridarK | yushiro: yes will do so | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok bye! | 19:00 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, SridarK Thank you so much! | 19:00 |
| SridarK | thanks and bye all | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 19:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-03-25-18.31.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-03-25-18.31.txt | 19:00 |
| yushiro | Bye Bye (^_^) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-03-25-18.31.log.html | 19:00 |
| pc_m | bye | 19:00 |
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| badveli | bye | 19:01 |
| yushiro | vishwana_, absubram I will review your patch :-) | 19:01 |
| vishwana_ | yushiro, that will be awesome | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: still there? | 19:12 |
| badveli | yes sumit | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: sorry i got pulled away | 19:13 |
| badveli | no problem | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: to answer your question, i dont think the schedule for liberty is out yet | 19:13 |
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| badveli | kyle mentioned that he will engage more cores regarding the service spec | 19:13 |
| badveli | in liberty | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: however, i believe the liberty branches will open soon | 19:13 |
| badveli | fine sumit, i am not sure when should i start | 19:14 |
| badveli | hopefully if i start early might be helpful | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes | 19:14 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:15 |
| badveli | he mentioned he will bring some core attention | 19:15 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 20:02:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:02 |
| rhagarty | hello | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 20:02 |
| gary-smith_ | hi | 20:02 |
| vishwana_ | hi | 20:02 |
| mattfarina | hello | 20:02 |
| jgravel | hi | 20:02 |
| cbader | hi | 20:02 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Evening | 20:03 |
| doug-fish | hi | 20:03 |
| mwhagedorn | hello | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hihi | 20:03 |
| mrunge | hello o/ | 20:03 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | zzz | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ;) | 20:03 |
| wchrisj | Hi | 20:03 |
| esp | o/ | 20:03 |
| asahlin | hola | 20:03 |
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| lhcheng_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:04 |
| absubram | o/ | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | We crossed the k-3 milestone and are slogging through rc-1 | 20:05 |
| * TravT slog slog slog | 20:05 | |
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| david-lyle | Nice work on K-3, 15 blueprints implemented, with some clean up on a couple in RC-1 | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/kilo/kilo-3 | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | for reference | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | On mobile data, but just wanted to add I've been tagging a fair few bugs for rc1, some potentials too | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: I've actually been cleaning those up | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | had a change of instructions | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Ah, sorry for the extra work | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | I'm clearing out anything not blocking rc-1 | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | no worries | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | I told you wrong | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Understood | 20:07 |
| TravT | what should we do for process? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | so I eat the mistake | 20:07 |
| TravT | should we be tagging anything? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | other items that could be considered for rc-1 can be tagged kilo-rc-potential | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | that's not to say other bug fixes can't merge, but I want to limit the list to what we really need | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Gotcha. Will stick to tagging. | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | so come rc branch time, I have a better grasp on where we are | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | and can make a decision if we're ready | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | so for rc-1 we have #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | There were a couple of FFEs accepted | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/fwaas-router-insertion | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/federated-identity | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | for the first, amotoki and myself agreed to review the patch | 20:12 |
| mrunge | I thought, we agreed on cleaning up doa first (for the second) | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | and for the second Lin, Thai and I have agreed to review the patch | 20:12 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: a plugin mechanism has merged | 20:12 |
| absubram | david-lyle: Lin helped out on the first one too :) | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | we're building on that mechanism | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | the issue is there is a lot of demand for SSO and many forks out there to accomplish it | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | Another thing to note | 20:13 |
| mrunge | ah, that's would explain error messages about auth plugin not configured | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | just because an FFE is granted does not mean the code will land | 20:13 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: DOA haven't been release, you should not be getting errors with the new code. | 20:14 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: were you using DOA master? | 20:15 |
| mrunge | lhcheng, yes | 20:15 |
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| mrunge | lhcheng, let's move that to #openstack-horizon | 20:15 |
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| david-lyle | hmm, should have a default password plugin | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: ah. It still should not throw an error. Let's chat on that later | 20:15 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: agreed | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | yeah later | 20:15 |
| tqtran_afk | david-lyle: but if the patches are in reasonable shape, is there a chance we will try and land it for k3? | 20:16 |
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| tqtran | *correction kilo | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | yes | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | I'm just reinforcing that an FFE is not a guarantee | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | What's the status on launch instance? marked a number of fixes for rc1 | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | a lot of the bugs in RC-1 are launch instance rework related | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | the base functionality is there, but there are several improvements that are highly desirable | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | especially for feature parity with existing | 20:17 |
| TravT | it is coming along very nicely. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | without a number of those landing we won't switch | 20:18 |
| TravT | we are coordinating on the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-virtual-sprint | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | but there are magic code monkeys somewhere working on the effort | 20:18 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ook | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | or wonderful people, sorry poor reference | 20:19 |
| * TravT resembles that remark | 20:19 | |
| david-lyle | I had a manager who always referred to it that way when you expected too much work in too little time | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | anyway | 20:20 |
| TravT | :-) | 20:20 |
| TravT | i don't think anybody is offended, david-lyle. | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | as for general items, OpenStack had added Murano and Magnum into the mix | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | as of yesterday | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | so we need to iron out our plans for where extensions live in the next few weeks | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | I would prefer out of tree, but need to run that by the TC | 20:22 |
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| david-lyle | otherwise, in tree with different core groups, not sure how that works with gerrit | 20:22 |
| mrunge | at least, we should make sure they get integrated in our gating | 20:23 |
| mrunge | and vice versa | 20:23 |
| ericpeterson | problem I have seen is that hosting extensions in other repos - those reviewers don't know much horizon | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | ericpeterson: yes, I understand that issue | 20:23 |
| ericpeterson | not in favor of keeping them in horizon btw | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | something we need to work out for sure | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | I don't expect everything to go flawlessly | 20:24 |
| tqtran | is it possible to have separate repos and assgn two different group of drivers to them? | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | expecting an opportunity rich environment | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: yes | 20:25 |
| TravT | i know murano has a UI already, but does magnum? | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | TravT: I don't think so | 20:25 |
| tqtran | so murano can have its own repo and have both its own core and horizon core. that way things say relatively in sync | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | container service, not sure they've gotten that far | 20:25 |
| TravT | tqtran: this would be kind like xstastic projects, right? | 20:26 |
| tqtran | TravT: yeah something like that | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: yes, but that doesn't solve the scaling issue | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I've thought about that too | 20:26 |
| mattfarina | we'd need to work out the dependency/version/documented/communicated issues as well. | 20:27 |
| ericpeterson | there are two approaches, both have their pros / cons. (I am currently working on two extensions) | 20:27 |
| mattfarina | i like having extensions because what we need to support those will be useful for anyone making their own | 20:27 |
| mrunge | magnum should integrate in launch instance. no need for an additional UI | 20:27 |
| smc7 | as someone who worked on murano a lot, for the most part it was fine from the perspective of the extension team; big changes like the bootstrap change last year threw us for a few days | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: not sure about that | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | smc7: us too :) | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | container service is not a nova driver, IIUC | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | Unrelated, have we resolved the xstatic irdragndrop issue yet? Seemed to be an issue for packaging | 20:29 |
| jwy | tqtran: can you explain "have both its own core and horizon core"? sorry, not familiar with how the xstatic projects are set up | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | oh yeah, tqtran how's that coming? | 20:29 |
| TravT | looks like magnum sits on top of heat | 20:29 |
| tqtran | not yet, i havent had the time, someone is welcome to pick it up | 20:29 |
| tqtran | i'll get on it by end of today if there are no volunteers | 20:29 |
| mrunge | we have two teams under horizon umbrella with tuskar-ui | 20:29 |
| mrunge | ^ jwy | 20:30 |
| jwy | mrunge: what is the difference between the two teams? | 20:30 |
| tqtran | jwy: basically you can assign different group of drivers to the project. one group would be horizon and the other murano. | 20:30 |
| tqtran | this would give cores from horizon the power to regular patches in murano | 20:31 |
| jwy | got it, thx | 20:31 |
| tqtran | *regulate | 20:31 |
| smc7 | also there will be e.g. murano developers who are heavily involved in horizon | 20:31 |
| mrunge | smc7, they are greatly welcome | 20:31 |
| mrunge | the same is true for tuskar-ui folks | 20:32 |
| mrunge | they're contributing to horizon on a regular basis | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | we need to continue to work on the details, but for now let's move on to the agenda | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | agenda can be found at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | #topic removing name-duplication for working around non-existent name-mangling minification in Horizon angularjs code (r1chardj0n3s) | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "removing name-duplication for working around non-existent name-mangling minification in Horizon angularjs code (r1chardj0n3s) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:33 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | ohai | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so for those who don't know what this refers to, here's a ref https://docs.angularjs.org/tutorial/step_05#a-note-on-minification | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | basically all of our angularjs code includes the function name annotation guff to work around minifiers which mangle names | 20:34 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's messy, error-prone and annoying | 20:34 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | and also, as it turns out, completely unnecessary, since the minifier we use doesn't *do* name mangling | 20:35 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so I propose we remove name annotation from our angular code | 20:35 |
| mattfarina | but, that's the default minifier. what we have is configurable so that someone could change the minifer | 20:35 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the issue raised by TravT was whether any deployers might use a *different* minifier | 20:35 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | sure, django's compressor has configurable minifiers | 20:36 |
| mattfarina | for performance, other developers should be looking to use other minifiers | 20:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the funny part is that the second minifier in the config options list *breaks* trying to compress our code :) | 20:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | performance? | 20:36 |
| mattfarina | yup | 20:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | what performance issues are you aware of? | 20:36 |
| mattfarina | we have the weakest minifier. it's basically a python port of jsmin | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | what performance issues are you aware of? | 20:37 |
| mattfarina | the more modern minifiers all create a significantly smaller file | 20:37 |
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| mattfarina | it's larger files to transfer between a browser and server. more round trips and more time | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | have you compared the size difference of name mangling vs. just turning on gzip compression? | 20:37 |
| ericpeterson | I'd think the minifier stuff will get picked up by distros and operators, right? | 20:38 |
| mattfarina | i've not done that to horizon specifically but to other systems i have | 20:38 |
| ericpeterson | its great to have insight if one is better than the other / what ones work best | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | ericpeterson: I doubt many stray to far from the defaults | 20:38 |
| mrunge | I haven't heard of anybody not using defaults here | 20:39 |
| mattfarina | i was going to look at how we make it easy for people to stray from the defaults to something better this year | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | guessing that horizon javascript minification optimization is fairly low on their priority list | 20:39 |
| mattfarina | because web performance is important and it can remove round trips where time is lost in the network | 20:39 |
| lhcheng | I don't think we should be making any assumptions what deployers use, if its configurable a deployer can use a different minifier. | 20:39 |
| ericpeterson | let's take that as a separate issue to look at alternatives then? | 20:39 |
| mattfarina | i would just think our code could be minified | 20:40 |
| ericpeterson | it can be, and is - right? | 20:40 |
| doug-fish | though once we decide we are open to alternatives we have to take the time to make sure our code can be minified this way - the issue r1chardj0n3s hoped to avoid | 20:40 |
| mattfarina | if we just follow best practices here we should be good | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | our code is currently minified, but not name mangled. most of the win we get at the moment comes from concatenation | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the minifcation removes whitespace and comments | 20:41 |
| mattfarina | the minifier we use removes whitespace and comments. the modern ones go far beyond that | 20:41 |
| mrunge | sigh | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | I think we need to wait for Liberty to look into this, I'm not excited about changing all the angular js files at this time, especially when we have so many more patches to land | 20:41 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I haven't tested this out yet, but I'm pretty sure that gzip compression would beat anything a name-mangling minifier would do | 20:42 |
| mattfarina | you should minify + gzip | 20:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle ok, I guess this just starts the conversation then | 20:42 |
| mattfarina | that gets you the smallest | 20:42 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mattfarina I really think we need numbers, because that comes at a cost of code legibility and potential errors | 20:42 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | because of the annotation in angular code | 20:42 |
| mrunge | 1+ r1chardj0n3s | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | mattfarina: our biggest complaints are X doesn't work or Y is crappy, but Y has yet to be js load performance | 20:43 |
| mattfarina | r1chardj0n3s this has been on my mind for some time. i wanted to start with numbers because when it comes to web performance it's all about the numbers | 20:43 |
| ericpeterson | lets table it as "we could have smaller / tighter js files than what we have now - fix: TODO" | 20:43 |
| mrunge | mattfarina, I'm not worried about 10% larger or smaller js code | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | more like Y can't I launch an instance | 20:43 |
| r1chardj0n3s | as I mentioned before, I started looking into it, but the second tool I tried to use broke trying to minify our JS ;) | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | Y can't I assign a floating IP reliably | 20:43 |
| TravT | yeah, so on the name mangling front, my specific question was if we could make a decision that name mangling isn't supported and must be disabled as an option. | 20:44 |
| TravT | or if that would negatively impact deployers too much | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | the summit would be the best place to ask | 20:44 |
| TravT | so, choose your compressor, but don't enable mangling | 20:44 |
| mrunge | yes! | 20:44 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | TravT you suggested we could insert some JS code to detect name mangling | 20:44 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:44 |
| ericpeterson | TravT - JS compression is somewhere beyond issue #1000 for operators | 20:45 |
| mattfarina | mangling is a common practice. if things are written well it's not an issue | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to table this and move on | 20:45 |
| tqtran | honestly, i dont think name mangling is going to introduce too much of a performance gain for us | 20:45 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mattfarina "written well" in this case includes "adding extra potential errors to your angularjs code" | 20:45 |
| tqtran | i would rather see more readable code | 20:45 |
| mattfarina | r1chardj0n3s let's connect offline about this | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | #topic OMG we need LiveReload so badly, especially with Launch Instance (r1chardj0n3s) | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OMG we need LiveReload so badly, especially with Launch Instance (r1chardj0n3s) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:45 | |
| david-lyle | OMG! | 20:45 |
| tqtran | what is livereload? | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | haha, so who's sick of trying to get Launch Instance wizard to load the bloody changes off disk? | 20:46 |
| r1chardj0n3s | LiveReload is a browser extension that keeps a connection to the HTTP server which notifies the browser when an on-disk static file changes; the browser will then automatically update its version of the file when you save it to disk | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | looking into it, are suggesting gulp and other packages? | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | means that changes to CSS, JS, HTML are reflected automatically, without need to cmd-shift-reload or (as with launch instance) clear the browser cache just to see your changes | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: no, there are non-gulp-etc. options | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there's a plugin for Django which doesn't use nodejs | 20:47 |
| ericpeterson | r1chardj0n3s - seems like a developer tool mainly, not critical in live deployments - right? | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ericpeterson it's definitely a developer tool | 20:48 |
| mattfarina | r1chardj0n3s if you have compression on does it keep generating new compressed files (js/css)? | 20:48 |
| ericpeterson | something to turn on for development / disable later? not sure on perf overhead | 20:48 |
| * ericpeterson oh no, here we go again | 20:49 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | mattfarina: I haven't investigated how it plays with django-compressor | 20:49 |
| TravT | here's something I've been meaning to try: https://developer.chrome.com/devtools/docs/workspaces | 20:49 |
| * mattfarina is interested in live reload | 20:49 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's *not* for deployment, and would be optional for developers | 20:49 |
| TravT | built into chrome | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | but you need something server side | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | I think this could be as simple as documentation for dev setup | 20:50 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TravT: I'm not sure how that plays with django as the server and its static files path mangling | 20:50 |
| TravT | me neither. | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | rather than requiring new tools in tree, unless there are things we do that actively break such integration | 20:50 |
| ericpeterson | if you want to add some magic local_settings.py to check if DEBUG==True then turn on this thing, go for it I'd say | 20:51 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: I think there would be some code changes in Horizon to support it tho | 20:51 |
| r1chardj0n3s | like what ericpeterson mentions | 20:51 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: that's fine, but I'm curious about new requirements | 20:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yep | 20:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not likely to be able to look into this for a few weeks anyway, so it's likely an L thing | 20:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | just wanted to float the idea | 20:52 |
| ericpeterson | maybe we can help a developer-requirements.txt to use for our own setups ;) | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | if that's needed, maybe | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | developer-requirements.txt | 20:53 |
| ericpeterson | s/help/have | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | npm | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | woah | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | prosper | 20:53 |
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| david-lyle | I think that breaks the fedora model though | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | anyway, I think there's a general "hmm, that kinda sounds interesting" so maybe I'll try to get it mocked up for the summit | 20:54 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | do a demo | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | blow socks | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | but if they are not required dev tools, it roughly amounts to documentation | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that kinda thing | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: perfect | 20:55 |
| mrunge | currently unsure about that (breaking fedora model) | 20:55 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle as I mentioned there will most likely need to be code changes too | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: understood | 20:55 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Django-1.7.x support, Django-1.6 will be unsupported, once Kilo is released | 20:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Django-1.7.x support, Django-1.6 will be unsupported, once Kilo is released (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:56 | |
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| mrunge | ah, yes! | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 | 20:56 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :) | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | did that patch merge yet? | 20:56 |
| mrunge | nope | 20:56 |
| mrunge | well, we're not gating on django-1.7 | 20:56 |
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| mrunge | and it's still not allowed in global requirements | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | I meant the horizon patch to not use test settings | 20:57 |
| mrunge | last time I saw, it had one +2 from you david-lyle | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | awww | 20:57 |
| mrunge | that was about 60 mins ago | 20:57 |
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| mrunge | and, if someone has free cycles, I feel we can even make django-1.8 support | 20:58 |
| mrunge | which would be AWESOME | 20:58 |
| TravT | i can dig into my bag of +1's for you mrunge... i have a few to spare. | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167562/ | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | is the review | 20:58 |
| mrunge | hahaha, thank you TravT ! | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | when we moved compilemessages to be required at runtime, we didn't update the settings | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | used | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | this causes gate problems | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | yay, gate problems | 20:59 |
| mrunge | interesting fact is, that didn't cause gate issues with django-1.6 | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | if that merges, hopefully 1.7 will work in the gate | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: there's still magic in the gate | 21:00 |
| mrunge | yes. secret sauce- | 21:00 |
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| TravT | just ran it | 21:00 |
| TravT | no errors | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | essentially 1.6 is dying and we don't support anything beyond it | 21:00 |
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| david-lyle | well no longer supported | 21:01 |
| mrunge | it will become unsupported in around one-2 weeks | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | so we need at least 1.7 | 21:01 |
| mrunge | uhm, during the next few weeks | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | that's likely the best we can hope for in requirements.txt | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | but 1.8 ready code should be the goal | 21:01 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, would you be opposed in backporting django-1.8 support for kilo? | 21:02 |
| mrunge | if we don't make it for kilo release? | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | I would not be opposed | 21:02 |
| mrunge | even if that'd be a feature? | 21:02 |
| mrunge | strictly that'd be forbidden | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | not sure that's a feature or not | 21:03 |
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| mrunge | and it will require changes in doa, too | 21:03 |
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| david-lyle | the two together gets more compilcated | 21:03 |
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| david-lyle | let's move to #horizon | 21:04 |
| mrunge | thanks! | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | time's up. Thanks everyone! | 21:04 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 21:04:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-03-25-20.02.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-03-25-20.02.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-03-25-20.02.log.html | 21:04 |
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