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| yolanda | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 9 15:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yolanda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| yolanda | hi, i will be hosting meeting today | 16:00 |
| yolanda | who is present? | 16:00 |
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| yolanda | no one today? | 16:01 |
| yolanda | ok, i'll wait for some time, if not, let's postpone it | 16:01 |
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| yolanda | no one present for StoryBoard meeting? | 16:04 |
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| yolanda | ok, let's close it | 16:05 |
| yolanda | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 16:05:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-09-15.59.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-09-15.59.txt | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-03-09-15.59.log.html | 16:05 |
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| devananda | anyone here for the ironic meeting? | 17:00 |
| * NobodyCam maybe lurking in the shadows | 17:00 | |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | \o | 17:00 |
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| wanyen | o/ | 17:00 |
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| ramineni | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| _lintan | o\ | 17:00 |
| maurosr | \o | 17:00 |
| Shrews | hi | 17:00 |
| clif_h | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | me | 17:00 |
| faizan_ | hi | 17:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 9 17:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda is up -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
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| jgrimm | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | it looks fairly light today, but I suspect we'll spend a fair bit of time on stuff | 17:01 |
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| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| GheRivero | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | no announcements, just a reminder -- we've now past the "feature proposal freeze" point | 17:02 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 17:02 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | ie, no more specs should land for Kilo, because we already have a *TON* of work ahead of us, and only two weeks to land it | 17:02 |
| devananda | the exception possibly being the spec on api microversions (will get to that soon) | 17:02 |
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| devananda | because it is informational and we've already actually landed the code | 17:03 |
| devananda | like, a month ago. | 17:03 |
| devananda | anyway... | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | :) good | 17:03 |
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| devananda | we're tracking the ongoing work here | 17:03 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:03 |
| devananda | during the next month (leading up to k3 and the subsequent RC release) please review things based on their status on launchpad | 17:04 |
| rloo | what does 'good progress' mean? no code to review yet? | 17:04 |
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| devananda | rloo: means there is still code to be written, not available for review yet | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | I think we have a status for need code review | 17:04 |
| devananda | which concerns me | 17:04 |
| wanyen | deva, partition image for IPA was on KIlo3 lp now it's not there | 17:04 |
| Nisha | devananda, but for inspection code is there for review | 17:04 |
| devananda | we have a very aggressive goal here - another 16 "features" to review | 17:04 |
| devananda | if a blueprint is assigned to you and the status is incorrect -- dont tell me. go update it | 17:05 |
| devananda | if it needs more code, put it in "* progress" | 17:05 |
| Nisha | devananda, ok | 17:05 |
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| devananda | if ALL the code is up, put it in "needs review" | 17:05 |
| devananda | if ALL the code is landed, but it still needs docs or tests -- it is NOT done | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | the support for local boot, code-wise pretty much landed already | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | need docs ofc | 17:06 |
| devananda | I will continue to bump things as we get closer to feature freeze, which is only two weeks agao | 17:06 |
| devananda | *away | 17:06 |
| devananda | some docs can be done after that cut-off, too | 17:06 |
| * lucasagomes will mark as implented later | 17:06 | |
| BadCub | lucasagomes: which one do you need implemented. I can update that one for you later today | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | I'd like to just mention that we should also start to think about our thrid part testing needs. | 17:07 |
| devananda | don't hestitate to ping me or BadCub if something looks like the status is wrong and you can't change it, or you think something is not going ot make it and should be re-targeted | 17:07 |
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| wanyen | lucas: is uefi local boot coded landed? | 17:07 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: sure. but not in the next two weeks :) | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | oh ya | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | BadCub, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/local-boot-support-with-partition-images | 17:07 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I think discussing our third-party testing (and all testing of drivers) is a great vancouver topic | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | deff not until after L | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, it wasn't part of the spec | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | opend | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | opens | 17:07 |
| rameshg87 | wanyen: we are still working on it, there are couple of reviews already out | 17:08 |
| wanyen | lucas: The spec that Faizan proposed include uefi local boot | 17:08 |
| devananda | that's it for announcements -- let's move on, and we can continue discussing specific proposals in the opendiscussion later | 17:08 |
| BadCub | thanks lucasagomes do you want me to change it now, r is there something else you need to add first? | 17:08 |
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| lucasagomes | BadCub, wanyen I think it's out of topic a bit. I ping you guys on the channel | 17:08 |
| devananda | #info feature proposal freeze is past. feature freeze is in two weeks. please revie all the code, following priorities on LP. | 17:09 |
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| devananda | #info ping BadCub or devananda if you believe a status is wrong AND you can't change it yourself | 17:09 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:09 |
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| devananda | adam_g: I saw you doing a bunch of functional-test-related things last week - but I dont see any notes on the white board | 17:09 |
| devananda | adam_g: is the status worth sharing yet? or still in-flight? | 17:10 |
| devananda | I see a note that we don't have naohirot today. I'll update the 'pad | 17:10 |
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| devananda | GheRivero: looks like a lot of changes coming from oslo recently? wow ... | 17:12 |
| GheRivero | mostly synced and minor changes to use released versions | 17:12 |
| devananda | GheRivero: ok, cool. anything you feel is high-risk for this late in the cycle? | 17:12 |
| GheRivero | not really. | 17:13 |
| devananda | great | 17:13 |
| devananda | ok - any further comments on drivers before we move on? | 17:13 |
| jroll | just pointing out that pxe_ipa is now running on check | 17:14 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:14 |
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| devananda | (giving folks anoter minute) | 17:14 |
| stendulker_ | devananda: We want two ilo defects milestone to be changed to kilo-3 | 17:14 |
| stendulker_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1418327 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1418327 in Ironic "pxe_ilo and iscsi_ilo driver sets capabilities:boot_mode in node property if there is none" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Shivanand Tendulker (shivanand-tendulker) | 17:15 |
| stendulker_ | #link ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1412559 | 17:15 |
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| stendulker_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1412559 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1412559 in Ironic "agent_ilo deploy driver do not support uefi boot mode" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Shivanand Tendulker (shivanand-tendulker) | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 o/ | 17:15 |
| jroll | agent / uefi sounds more like a feature :/ | 17:15 |
| devananda | #action devananda to review above bugs after the meeting | 17:16 |
| wanyen | jroll, deva suggested us to file a bug for uefi/agent | 17:16 |
| stendulker_ | devananda: thanks | 17:16 |
| Nisha | jroll, no it is just switching between boot modes in agent ilo driver | 17:16 |
| jroll | huh. ok. | 17:16 |
| jroll | right on | 17:16 |
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| devananda | thanks for the updates, everyone. let's move on | 17:17 |
| devananda | #topic python client's default microversion | 17:17 |
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| devananda | for a bit of background here... | 17:17 |
| devananda | about a month ago, I wrote up microversion support for our API, following Nova's spec on it | 17:18 |
| devananda | though we didn't go through our own spec and just referenced theirs | 17:18 |
| devananda | when we (in particular lintan_ ) started adding support to the client to pass a version header to the server | 17:18 |
| devananda | there was considerable disagreement on what the default behavior should be | 17:19 |
| devananda | and a discussion ensued on both lintan_ 's review and on the spec which mrda subsequently proposed | 17:19 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155624/ | 17:19 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161110/ | 17:19 |
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| devananda | I also started drafting a reply to rloo's concerns, but put it in an etherpad and asked -infra to sanity-check me | 17:20 |
| devananda | I haven't gotten around to polishing it and actually sending it ... but it does provide some context none the less | 17:20 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oHVxTVRFix | 17:20 |
| devananda | </end background> | 17:20 |
| devananda | let's discuss :) | 17:20 |
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| Shrews | Probably would have been helpful to have reviewed these links before the meeting :/ | 17:22 |
| rloo | note that the API defaults to minimum version if the version header isn't specified | 17:22 |
| rameshg87 | rloo: i guess that's why we introduced "latest" (still reading through docs :( ) | 17:22 |
| rloo | rameshg87: yes, you can get max version if you specify 'latest'. | 17:23 |
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| rloo | rameshg87: the question is what to do if the user doesn't specify a version (or 'latest') | 17:23 |
| rloo | devananda: I would like to distinguish the client library from the client CLI. | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda: or do you think they both should behave the same? | 17:24 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: i do not believe that's a valid distinction. as a user of the client, I consume it in both ways | 17:24 |
| devananda | I believe there are two salient points here (and possibly more) -- how this impacts our testing, and how this impacts usability | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda: I can't really read the etherpad stuff and grok it in a few minutes. but it discusses our testing/usability. I'm worried about our users (maybe that is only rackspace so it doesn't matter) | 17:25 |
| devananda | as a user, I *never* want to have to specify what version of the API to use. I just want my client to work with the server that I point it at | 17:25 |
| jroll | rloo: we don't matter? :P | 17:25 |
| devananda | rloo: I use it too. and I'm sure there are many other users out there | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 | 17:25 |
| devananda | 9and in here) | 17:25 |
| jroll | devananda: as a user, I don't want my client to break when I upgrade my server, either. | 17:25 |
| * lucasagomes still reading stuff | 17:25 | |
| rloo | devananda: we changed nova ironic driver so it recognizes NOSTATE and AVAILABLE. so if we change the default to be 'latest', the nova ironic driver won't break. | 17:25 |
| jroll | devananda: or my applications that use the client. | 17:26 |
| devananda | jroll: right. and I dont want a new client to break when I point it at an old server | 17:26 |
| rloo | devananda: but what about others that don't have code that recognizes AVAILABLE yet? | 17:26 |
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| rloo | jroll: I mean you've/rackspace is probably uptodate anyway. | 17:26 |
| jroll | rloo: ehhh. trying. | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: so if there are applications using pyhton-ironicclient which upgrade the client library, we can reasonably expect them to look at the changelog and update the applicaiton accordingly | 17:27 |
| devananda | rloo: we are not going to break an application which chooses to not upgrade the client | 17:27 |
| jroll | I'm having trouble reasoning about all of the cases this touches, btw. still trying to wrap my head around it all. | 17:27 |
| devananda | the current client is still passing no header by default | 17:28 |
| devananda | which means that, by default, if we were to release Kilo like this, | 17:28 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, if we can expect users to read the changelog, etc, then I am fine with whatever default you want to use. | 17:28 |
| devananda | users will still get the "v1.1" API | 17:28 |
| devananda | which is basically Juno | 17:28 |
| devananda | er, sorry | 17:28 |
| devananda | Juno + what ever we landed early this cycle before microversioning | 17:29 |
| devananda | which I think is just maintenance_reason | 17:29 |
| rloo | devananda: right. but you want the client to be changed so it defaults to the maximum version it supports/knows about. | 17:29 |
| devananda | rloo: correct. and just to re-state: that is not the literal "latest" string, but a literal version (eg, 1.6) that we write into the client lib | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | I think that makes the most sense for our client | 17:30 |
| devananda | however, i also want the client to be smarter about talking to older servers | 17:30 |
| Shrews | If *I* am a user of a client, and I install the latest version of that client, I totally expect it to give me the EVERYTHING that is supported by both client and server. I would NOT want to have to explicitly tell it *anything* about versions | 17:30 |
| devananda | and right now, it's not | 17:30 |
| jroll | I think defaulting to latest is mostly good, but it does create effort when the application using the client relies on something (e.g. tempest breaks right now with >1.1) | 17:31 |
| devananda | Shrews: exactly | 17:31 |
| devananda | jroll: not "latest", no. | 17:31 |
| jroll | right, I type slow. | 17:31 |
| devananda | jroll: to be clear, "latest" is a valid version header value, which indicates to the server that it should use ITS latest, which is reasonably newer than what ever the client understands | 17:31 |
| devananda | that is essentially the behavior we have today | 17:31 |
| devananda | old client + new server == client should still work by disregarding pieces of the response thta it doesn't understand | 17:32 |
| jroll | devananda: I know. I typed that before you clarified that you want to hardcode a version. unclear how I feel about that. | 17:32 |
| devananda | k | 17:32 |
| jroll | devananda: but it's probably reasonable to release a new client to get new API features, since we'll need to handle those properly | 17:32 |
| devananda | Shrews: I also expect the client to work when pointed at some old server, the current server, and the server which I install tomorrow | 17:32 |
| jroll | I feel like we're going to duplicate a lot of version checking code :| | 17:32 |
| rloo | I also don't like what I feel is an inconsistency, that if the header isn't specified in API, the min version is used. But if no version is specified to the client, the client sends a header to use some max version. | 17:32 |
| rloo | but really, i only care if we break people's applications, so since it is user beware when upgrading client, then I am fine with whatever. | 17:33 |
| jroll | rloo: I tend to think that's fine. think about it as a client feature that it uses the latest it knows about | 17:33 |
| devananda | rloo: the server "no header == min versoin" is there to support older clients that didn't pass any header | 17:33 |
| Shrews | devananda: I do too. So the client should either know about different API version options (and which ones to present to the user), or the server could possibly return that info some how. | 17:33 |
| JayF | Why can't the client query the API for what version it is, then make some decision on support based on that? | 17:33 |
| devananda | rloo: whereas "new client sends the max version it understands" is the desired behavior going forward | 17:33 |
| JayF | Shouldn't all the information for the client ot act sanely already exist? | 17:33 |
| devananda | JayF: totally. that's actually the ideal case | 17:34 |
| JayF | I feel like I'm missing some dimension of this problem, because it seems that's a clear solution? | 17:34 |
| devananda | however we aren't even close to supporting multi-versioning in the client | 17:34 |
| devananda | today | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | right | 17:34 |
| wanyen | maybe for the future to support client-server version negotiation | 17:35 |
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| devananda | the client library wasn't designed to interact with servers of different versions, and so the code architecture doesn't facilitate it yet | 17:35 |
| rloo | for me, it isn't a question of the client acting sanely (we can decide what 'sane' means). it was what if we break people's applications cuz the user using the client didn't specify a version, and now they get everything. | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: so before we introduced microversions, that is exactly what clients got -- everything the server returned | 17:36 |
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| devananda | rloo: we're not changing that behavior | 17:36 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: +1 | 17:36 |
| devananda | rloo: previously, a user would install a new client version, and get new functionality form their client | 17:36 |
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| devananda | rloo: if we have the client NOT send any version header, we CHANGE that behavior | 17:36 |
| rloo | devananda: right, before we introduced microversions, regardless of via API and client, the user got everything. | 17:36 |
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| devananda | and the client will stop exposing any new features ... | 17:36 |
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| rameshg87 | devananda: same question was asked before. an example of logical names /v1/nodes/foo might have returned error, whereas before logical names user would expect error | 17:37 |
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| Shrews | devananda: sounds sort of like we want a protocol negotiation at connection time | 17:37 |
| rloo | devananda: but we have now introduced microversions and ... this is a new world... | 17:37 |
| BadCub | if the existing behavious is not changing, and the client was getting *allthethings* anyway, this seems logical path to take | 17:37 |
| devananda | rameshg87: exactly. | 17:37 |
| devananda | Shrews: yup! | 17:37 |
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| Shrews | fun | 17:37 |
| devananda | BadCub: that's my point | 17:37 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: but i would assume it's not changing the behaviour | 17:37 |
| rameshg87 | devananda: it was just an extension right ? | 17:38 |
| rloo | but we did change the existing behavior. if you send a request via the API w/o specifying the header, you don't get the latest, you get the minimum. | 17:38 |
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| devananda | I'd like the user experience to not change -- that is, "install new client, get new feature if my server supports it" | 17:38 |
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| lintan_ | One question, why not let server use it's latest version if no specific version | 17:38 |
| devananda | rloo: we changed that a month ago. I think that was a mistake on my part, which I'm trying to correct, and to prevent it landing in the Kilo release | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: that make sense to me, esp with the fact that client releases can hapen any time | 17:39 |
| rloo | devananda: OH. Why didn't you say that before? | 17:39 |
| devananda | rloo: :) | 17:39 |
| jroll | heh | 17:39 |
| BadCub | lol | 17:39 |
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| devananda | rloo: so let me clarify what i may not have been clear about in hasty typing | 17:40 |
| rloo | devananda: so, what do you want to happen if the user sends a request via API but doesn't specify a header? | 17:40 |
| devananda | rloo: the change from NOSTATE -> AVAILABLE is actually a breaking API change | 17:40 |
| devananda | technically, we should have gone to /v2/ at that point | 17:40 |
| devananda | because it is a non-backwards-compatible change, and IF we were following SemVer | 17:40 |
| devananda | we'd have to bump the major version | 17:41 |
| rloo | devananda: I thought the whole idea of microversions was to deal with NOSTATE->AVAILABLE instead of a /v2 | 17:41 |
| devananda | microversions let us work around that | 17:41 |
| devananda | rloo: exactly | 17:41 |
| devananda | but | 17:41 |
| devananda | if we're going to preserve the old behavior of /v1/, we need to accept that "no header" == min version == v1 | 17:41 |
| devananda | otherwise we just broke /v1/ | 17:42 |
| devananda | for anyone using the juno-era client | 17:42 |
| devananda | and an upgrade from juno - kilo will be impossible | 17:42 |
| devananda | we need to support juno/nova + kilo/ironic | 17:42 |
| devananda | for the upgrade path that many folks will take | 17:42 |
| JayF | What's the virtue in not making a /v2/? | 17:43 |
| jroll | seems like a lot of work to change the name of a state. | 17:43 |
| JayF | This is intentionally a little naive, but isn't it just a question of where the version goes? Why not bump the "big version" | 17:43 |
| devananda | JayF: it's painful to make a new endpoint. users have to point somewhere else. keystone has two entries for ironic | 17:43 |
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| rloo | don't forget, this state thing is just one example. we could potentially have other features that aren't backwards compatible. | 17:44 |
| JayF | Isn't it also painful to check microversions everywhere? | 17:44 |
| jroll | heh. true. | 17:44 |
| devananda | JayF: sort of. it's also about adding some sanity to our client-server negotiation. though I think we're still at least a cycle from that | 17:44 |
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| devananda | backwards-incompatible-changes are really hard ... this lets us deal with the only "mistake" we've found so far in the early API | 17:45 |
| devananda | allow older clients to continue working, while newer clients can iterate on newer features | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | +1 | 17:46 |
| devananda | to be clear, we should continue to avoid making backwards-incompatible changes. I dont think microversions give us any carte blanche to make more -- they're going to continue to be just as painful for users, even if we're able to handle them slightly better in our CI environment now | 17:47 |
| jroll | I mean, microversions do make it less painful | 17:48 |
| jroll | (imho) | 17:48 |
| devananda | for us, yes | 17:48 |
| devananda | and for anyone using python-ironicclient - yes | 17:48 |
| jroll | that's with my user hat on | 17:48 |
| jroll | even without | 17:48 |
| devananda | hm, ok | 17:48 |
| jroll | keeps things from breaking | 17:48 |
| jroll | as long as I specify a version :) | 17:48 |
| devananda | ah - good point | 17:49 |
| jroll | (which sucks, but if you're using something that's well versioned, you should specify your version) | 17:49 |
| devananda | yup | 17:49 |
| jroll | (kinda like how most non-openstack-people use requirements.txt) | 17:49 |
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| devananda | so, I think we need to move on, even if there's not a conclusion | 17:49 |
| devananda | because we're almost out of time | 17:49 |
| rloo | I thought we did conclude. Or I conceded anyway ;) | 17:49 |
| devananda | rloo: oh :) | 17:49 |
| jroll | heh | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | I think for us at this late point in the cycle it is our best solution. if we have time next cycle we could look at a negotiation | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | option | 17:50 |
| devananda | #topic python-openstackclient support | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-openstackclient support (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:50 | |
| devananda | d0ugal: hi! sorry for the late inclusion here | 17:50 |
| d0ugal | Hi :) | 17:50 |
| d0ugal | devananda: No problem, I have a quick question, I think | 17:50 |
| devananda | d0ugal: but the above discussion is hopefully at least slightly relevant too :) | 17:50 |
| d0ugal | Indeed, it was | 17:50 |
| d0ugal | My question - is anyone working on a plugin for python-openstackclient? and if not, is this something people are interested in? | 17:51 |
| devananda | I am not aware of any earnest work on that | 17:51 |
| jroll | to point 2) I'm interested | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | I have not heard of anyone working on it | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | I don't know anyone too | 17:51 |
| d0ugal | I'm aiming to make the TripleO experience a bit nicer :) | 17:51 |
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| d0ugal | Okay, so if I wanted to help - would a spec be the place to start? | 17:52 |
| devananda | d0ugal: iirc, there has been push-back a few times when ive been in discussions about adding ironic to common clients | 17:52 |
| d0ugal | devananda: Right | 17:52 |
| devananda | d0ugal: because thoes clients are geared towards end-users of clouds, whereas Ironic should never be visible to end-users | 17:52 |
| devananda | it's an admin-facing service (the only one in openstack afaik) | 17:53 |
| d0ugal | devananda: Unless your end users are TripleO users I guess :) | 17:53 |
| d0ugal | Okay, so it sounds like I might need to take this to the list for further reach. | 17:53 |
| devananda | d0ugal: so if openstackclient includes support for eg. nova's admin functions, then I think there's a good case for including ironic as well | 17:53 |
| d0ugal | Gotcha | 17:53 |
| d0ugal | There is a chance I may be working on one anyway, but wanted to make it upstream if we could | 17:54 |
| d0ugal | I think that gives me enough to go on for now, thanks devananda | 17:54 |
| devananda | d0ugal: great. welcome! | 17:54 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:54 |
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| NobodyCam | I'd just like to point out this nova review for OD. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269 | 17:55 |
| devananda | oooh yah | 17:55 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269 | 17:55 |
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| jroll | sick of fighting nova's model. | 17:55 |
| devananda | #info Nova discussion on support for clustered / federated hypervisors is getting interesting. see above link | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll: you can bet there's going to be (yet another) session in vancouver on it | 17:56 |
| jroll | devananda: oh ya | 17:56 |
| devananda | though I think enough folks in Nova want to solve it the right way (tm) this time, too, that I'm hopeful we'll make progress | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do you think that could land in K or will it be more likely L | 17:56 |
| jroll | the question is if fixing it the right way will be prioritized at all. | 17:56 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: wht's "that" ? | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | teh nova review | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | changes | 17:57 |
| jroll | that patch? definitely not kilo | 17:57 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no. not that patch | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:57 |
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| devananda | jroll: thta's what I mean by "enough folks". | 17:57 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:58 |
| devananda | jroll: I think it's becoming a priority for several nova cores now | 17:58 |
| jroll | ok, cool | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | * fyi: * 2 minutes to go * | 17:58 |
| devananda | ok, thanks for the lively discussion today folks | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you all ! | 17:59 |
| devananda | see you all back in channel! | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting | 17:59 |
| BadCub | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 17:59:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-03-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-03-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-03-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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