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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 13:57 |
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| kchen | hi all | 13:57 |
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| vgridnev | hi all | 13:57 |
| huichun | hi | 13:57 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 13:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 14:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 14:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 14:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 14:00 |
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| crobertsrh | Many merged patches, which is good. | 14:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we've got a status description change merged this week | 14:01 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | Still need reviews on the cluster/job execution guides | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | job executions fix is still pending | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | I believe that the blueprint for adding an events tab to the cluster view will be approved. | 14:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: It's already approved | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | on yesterdays meeting | 14:01 |
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| crobertsrh | Ah, yep. I know it was discussed | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the change is WIP as the backend API is going to change soon | 14:02 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | vgridnev is working on that | 14:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nice | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no more updates from me here | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, overall status is good, yeah? | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | yes | 14:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: yep | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| elmiko | working on barbican integration and investigating hadoop secure mode | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | i'm working with updating events backend | 14:05 |
| sreshetnyak | i'm working on migration to openjdk | 14:05 |
| huichun_ | working on Add a common HBase lib in hdfs on cluster start | 14:05 |
| tosky | still working on tempest (a bit put aside) and now trying to push sahara/horizon integration tests based on the new framework | 14:05 |
| kchen | I am still working on adding cm api library into cdh | 14:05 |
| sreshetnyak | please review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146434/ | 14:05 |
| egafford | Creating the Oozie shell job type. Passing tests; working on doc now. | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | intel folks, it would be nice if you put your review for patches with names Applying event log for CDH - part X | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, how is it going? | 14:06 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: for horizon? Few pieces still needs to go in place | 14:07 |
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| huichun_ | vgridnev: ok | 14:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yeah, I mean horizon | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyything else? | 14:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:09 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info March 5 is FPF | 14:10 |
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| elmiko | :cough: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157432/ :cough: | 14:11 |
| elmiko | ;) | 14:11 |
| egafford | A question: Sahara states that distributed mode is in alpha when you start in that mode. Are there known problems w/ distributed mode, and is there a roadmap toward maturity for this feature? | 14:11 |
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| egafford | (Or is it just "wait a while, and if no problems are reported, take off the warning?") | 14:12 |
| elmiko | at this point i think we have to talk about roadmap to full feature | 14:13 |
| egafford | elmiko: +1 | 14:13 |
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| elmiko | i would think before we declare it production ready we will need a ci test for it? | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we should remove this warning in Kilo | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're already testing it a lot | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (half of the sahara-ci jobs are running in distrib mode) | 14:14 |
| elmiko | ok, so yea maybe time to remove the warning | 14:14 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Perfect. | 14:14 |
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| elmiko | should we make a bug to remove the warning? | 14:15 |
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| pino|work | i just wanted to note that (due to other work) i've been testing sahara-image-elements (both juno and master) with diskimage-builder master | 14:16 |
| elmiko | pino|work: aside from the duplicate naming issue, any other problems? | 14:16 |
| pino|work | squashed few bugs related to that (1 in s-i-e, and 3 in d-i-b) | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, cool! | 14:17 |
| pino|work | https://review.openstack.org/158347 (in s-i-e, merged) | 14:17 |
| pino|work | https://review.openstack.org/159050 (in d-i-b, merged) | 14:17 |
| pino|work | https://review.openstack.org/158383 (in d-i-b, merged) | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re s-i-e we've tried to build the RHEL based image for CDH and it works ok after some fixes, I think sreshetnyak proposed them already | 14:17 |
| pino|work | https://review.openstack.org/158386 (in d-i-b, still missing, affecting ubuntu guests) | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, so, we could switch to the latest d-i-b after that? | 14:18 |
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| pino|work | i so far haven't been able to test many combination of sahara-related components/images | 14:19 |
| pino|work | mostly vanilla 2.4.1 and hdp 2.0 | 14:19 |
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| pino|work | (thanks to tosky too) | 14:20 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Just to validate assumptions, re: trying to build the RHEL based image for CDH: you're using a RHEL 6 build host to build a RHEL 6 image using upstream (not packaged) DIB and SIE code. Is that correct? | 14:20 |
| tosky | egafford: during last meeting the answer was "ubuntu" | 14:21 |
| tosky | but let's see :) | 14:21 |
| egafford | tosky: Ah, building from Ubuntu using upstream code. Good good. Just wanted to make sure I understood. | 14:21 |
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| pino|work | there may be more issues for rhel6/centos6, both as guests built and as build hosts | 14:22 |
| sreshetnyak | egafford, i use ubuntu 14.04 as host system for build RHEL CDH image | 14:22 |
| pino|work | part of it is touched by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158820/ (the part about excuding --xattrs parameters) | 14:22 |
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| pino|work | (still referring to d-i-b/master) | 14:22 |
| egafford | pino|work: Right; understood. | 14:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss? | 14:27 |
| pino|work | just a note: what would be a possible time schedule to migrate to a newer-ish d-i-b? | 14:28 |
| pino|work | like, ASAP, or not earlier than ..., etc | 14:28 |
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| elmiko | could be done very quickly | 14:28 |
| elmiko | just make a bug to update DIB_REPO_BRANCH, then propose a patch | 14:29 |
| elmiko | i think it would get good support | 14:29 |
| pino|work | is there a minimum set of images which are considered "must build"? | 14:29 |
| elmiko | hmm, probably all the plugin images that are current | 14:29 |
| tosky | current == master/kilo, right? | 14:30 |
| elmiko | (for example not 2.4.0 since it's deprecated) | 14:30 |
| elmiko | tosky: yea | 14:30 |
| tosky | (as you can go back to the previous tag if you want to use the old ones) | 14:30 |
| elmiko | exactly | 14:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO it'll be great to upgrade to the lastest dib in kilo | 14:30 |
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| elmiko | should we make an action item ? | 14:31 |
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| tosky | especially the "support matrix" | 14:31 |
| pino|work | so all the plugin types specified in diskimage-create.sh? | 14:31 |
| elmiko | pino|work: yes, for all the plugins that are currently supported in kilo | 14:31 |
| tosky | combination of plugin type and distribution type, I guess | 14:31 |
| pino|work | elmiko: oki | 14:31 |
| pino|work | another possibly dumb question: is having a tag in d-i-b with all the needed fixes/features a requirement, or a git commit within releases can be acceptable as well? | 14:33 |
| elmiko | my preference would be a tag | 14:33 |
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| egafford | pino|work: Yeah, in theory anything that matches will work, but we'd love to build on something recognized by the DIB community as a supported release. | 14:34 |
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| elmiko | technically, DIB_REPO_BRANCH can be set to a commit sha | 14:34 |
| pino|work | yeah, that's why i was asking | 14:34 |
| elmiko | the dib crew seems pretty good about creating tags though, so it probably won't be an issue | 14:35 |
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| pino|work | makes sense, thanks for your answers! | 14:36 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: A very minor note: we may want to check group permissions on sahara-dashboard's stable/icehouse branch. It doesn't seem to pull review perms from sahara-stable-maint at present. | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, I'll check it | 14:37 |
| elmiko | yea, and somehow i got +2 perms on the dashboard for stable/icehouse only. very strange... | 14:38 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Thanks. | 14:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably not all permission rules applied, I'll check them for all our repos | 14:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like end of the meetings ;) | 14:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks | 14:42 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 14:45:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-26-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-26-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-02-26-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
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| mrsmith | Hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
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| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | I probably won’t be able to stay the full hour. Can we be quick? | 15:01 |
| amuller | hiya | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: mrsmith: tidwellr: johnbelamaric: amuller: hi | 15:01 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: we can try! | 15:01 |
| pc_m | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 15:01:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | March 19th is the big day. Kilo-3 | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything super-important here? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | If not, we’ll move on and spend a little extra time on bugs next week. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | My last patch here is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158495/. I need to turn my attention mostly away from this so I’ll just be care-and-feeding the patches that I currently have up. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | I know there are loose ends and I encourage you to continue working on those loose ends. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Your patch is next in line. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I liked it overall when I reviewed it the other day. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Anything to discuss? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I saw your feedbacb and will work on it today. That's all | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | for today | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147744/26 | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. I didn’t see anything major in there. Just minor cleanup. | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: tidwellr: salv-orlando: ping | 15:07 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: pong | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | pong | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Did we reach a conclusion on the discussion from yesterday? | 15:08 |
| johnbelamaric | I believe so - it's in the review comments now. | 15:08 |
| tidwellr | I think so | 15:08 |
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| johnbelamaric | any status on the reference driver? salv-orlando here? | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Do you have a link handy? I haven’t seen the review since the comments have been added. | 15:09 |
| johnbelamaric | one sec | 15:09 |
| pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153236/8/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py that one? | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I thought we made some progress in salv-orlando ’s ML thread from the week. | 15:10 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: yes, that's it | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks, I think johnbelamaric ’s comment there is correct. | 15:11 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: yes, I think progress is being made i just haven't seen a new patch since then. maybe I missed it | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: To me, the progress was more around narrowing down the scope for Kilo so that we don’t have to worry about all of the possibilities. | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ah yes, I see your point. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven’t seen a new patch either but I expect one will come soon. | 15:12 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: how is the dbbase plugin coming - are you blocked waiting on reference driver or you can proceed? | 15:12 |
| pavel_bondar | I still have work to do, but as soon as refence driver appears I could start testing | 15:13 |
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| pavel_bondar | biggest part that left to do is rollback on exception, since ipam call is done in separate transaction | 15:14 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: ok | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | aloha people. sorry for being late. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: hi | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | salv-orlando: hi | 15:15 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: hi | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Are there still open issues from the ML thread you started this week? | 15:16 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: that thread has been inconclusive so far, which means | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | that for kilo we'll just adopt the same algorithm that we have, based on av ranges | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | adding only retry on deadlock | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | easy and simple | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | also reliable. Maybe not efficient but reliable | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | we can have fun in the next release and experiment with different things | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I agree. I think that is one mini-conclusion that came out of the thread. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: You’re right though, the meat of the discussion was inconclusive. | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: it's not easy to reach any sort of agreement on this matter. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: indedd | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: with pluggable, we don't need to - we can have multiple drivers and let experience show which algo is best :) | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | s/indedd/indeed/ | 15:20 |
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| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: yeah pretty much. But we're also free to change the internal behaviour of the driver without worrying about affecting anything at the mgmt layer | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: yes, good point too | 15:21 |
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| salv-orlando | so I'm not worried at all about just sticking with what we have - and defer optimization to the next release | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I think we’re all in agreement. I’m glad to have a direction that could get us to Kilo. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything more to discuss? | 15:23 |
| pavel_bondar | one question about passing subnetpool_id, since it should be property of Pool, it should present in Pools init(), right? | 15:23 |
| pavel_bondar | So should we update Pool interface and include it into __init__? | 15:24 |
| pavel_bondar | I can add it to interface review page, and we could discuss it there | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Yes, please do. | 15:25 |
| pavel_bondar | ok | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss here? | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:27 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: see #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147479/14/neutron/manager.py | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Swami: Rajeev: ping | 15:27 |
| mrsmith | Pong | 15:27 |
| johnbelamaric | for a discussion of subnetpool_id, driver laoding, etc | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:27 |
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| * carl_baldwin looking... | 15:27 | |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: doesn't have to be now - can be addressed later | 15:28 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: just wanted to bring it to your attention in relation to pavel_bondar's question | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks for pointing it out. It is still early for me here, I hadn’t seen it. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: hi, anything to discuss here? | 15:29 |
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| mrsmith | Working on the non-voting test diffs between centralized | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev got me looking at a bug that might be due to the weak reference tracking of the fip namespace. I don’t have any insight yet. | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | Slow progress | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | Ok | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1425639 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425639 in neutron "A functional floating ip stops working sometimes if another floating ip is created and deleted." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Rajeev Grover (rajeev-grover) | 15:30 |
| mrsmith | There has been some improvement from swamis patches | 15:30 |
| amuller | there's those 3 DVR bugs I found, I don't have time to add tests to those patches. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Could you link them here for posterity? | 15:31 |
| amuller | coming up | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I was swamped last week and didn’t have time to look at them at all. Sorry about that. | 15:31 |
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| amuller | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1423777 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423777 in neutron "TRACE when removing a floating IP from a DVR router that has no floating IPs" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 15:31 |
| amuller | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1423775 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423775 in neutron "TRACE when restarting openvswitch if using OVS DVR agent" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 15:32 |
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| amuller | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1423774 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423774 in neutron "Fix TRACE when removing a DVR router port from a VLAN network" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks. | 15:32 |
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| amuller | all 3 have patchs up, marun -1 because they have no tests to mitigate regressions. I agree with him but I don't have time to deal with that. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: ack | 15:33 |
| amuller | I was hoping someone could take those off my hands | 15:33 |
| mrsmith | I can try to find some cycles | 15:33 |
| amuller | mrsmith: thanks | 15:33 |
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| mrsmith | I'll take a look at least | 15:33 |
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| mrsmith | Functional or unit? | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I’ll keep looking in to bug 1425639. I suspect we’ll need to get some more logging added for when we can catch the bug in the gate and check queues. | 15:34 |
| openstack | bug 1425639 in neutron "A functional floating ip stops working sometimes if another floating ip is created and deleted." [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425639 - Assigned to Rajeev Grover (rajeev-grover) | 15:34 |
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| mrsmith | amuller: functional or unit tests? | 15:35 |
| amuller | mrsmith: depends on the case | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | K | 15:35 |
| amuller | whatever is more appropriate. If you find yourself mocking out the entire world maybe a functional test would be better | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else on DVR to discuss here? | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:38 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: pc_m just +2'd https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1425759,n,z | 15:39 |
| amuller | on the vpnaas repo | 15:39 |
| amuller | I want to ask to merge these ASAP so we can start moving from though gigantic chain before K3... | 15:40 |
| amuller | moving through* | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I think we can get those in quickly. | 15:40 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: Sounds good :) | 15:41 |
| pc_m | I think we'll be OK, although am a little concerned as the impression is that we'll have seperate processes, for the AdvancedService instance, if > 1 agent for a service, however the test failure seems to imply instance was shared by two processes. | 15:41 |
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| amuller | a singleton cannot be shared across different processes | 15:42 |
| pc_m | Not an issue currently, as we have only one agent per service. Something we need to keep an eye on though. | 15:42 |
| pc_m | amuller: Right, so I'm having a hard time understanding how the functional test failed. | 15:42 |
| amuller | Me too :) The only thing I can think of is that somehow, two tests were running at the same time in the same process (Which shouldn't happen according to my understanding) | 15:43 |
| amuller | or there was some shared point in time where one tests did not finish and the other already started | 15:43 |
| amuller | that would screw up the first test | 15:43 |
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| pc_m | though that would imply two agents in same process... | 15:44 |
| amuller | one test* | 15:44 |
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| amuller | pc_m: each test has its own agent | 15:44 |
| amuller | initialized in the test setUp | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: I think the test runner may run multiple tests in the same process. I don’t know for sure how it works but it doesn’t surprise me. | 15:44 |
| amuller | mind you we dont actually start the L3 agent like you do through the CLI, but the test setUp does create a L3 agent instance, which initializes its own self.conf | 15:45 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: must be. Only way I could account for the issue. | 15:45 |
| amuller | so each L3 agent instance has its own conf object | 15:45 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: who can I contact for FWaaS repo merge? | 15:49 |
| pc_m | amuller: dougwig, SumitNaiksatam | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/500,members | 15:50 |
| salv-orlando | amuller: also any neutron drivers | 15:50 |
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| amuller | salv-orlando: Like yourself? :) | 15:51 |
| salv-orlando | as long as I'm there, yes | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we’ll call it a meeting. | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, everyone for all your work. | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 15:56:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-26-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-26-15.01.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-02-26-15.01.log.html | 15:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| gilliard_ | Api-wg ? | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | gilliard_: :D | 16:00 |
| gilliard_ | Ah, yes. Hello. | 16:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 16:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic agenda | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 16:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
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| stevelle | o/ | 16:00 |
| kaufer | hello | 16:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | hi | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Moving along | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic versioning | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I think that's etoews' topic, but I wonder if cyeoh is around to talk about it too (seeing as how I think this is related to Nova's versioning) | 16:02 |
| miguelgrinberg | there is no proposed guideline on this yet, correct? | 16:02 |
| gilliard_ | I think it's 4am in Australia | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | gilliard_: You mean people don't stay up that late for openstack? =P | 16:03 |
| gilliard_ | Slackers | 16:03 |
| * sigmavirus24 doesn't know everyone's tz | 16:03 | |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: I don't believe there's one, no | 16:03 |
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| miguelgrinberg | no, I don't see anything in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Should we circle back to this if etoews shows up? | 16:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 is fairly certain it has to do with microversions in Nova but doesn't know what etoews wanted to say | 16:04 | |
| sigmavirus24 | No dissent so, moving on | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-12-16.00.log.html | 16:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-19-00.00.html | 16:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Since the last meeting was 90% glance, there are action items from the last two meetings there) | 16:05 |
| miguelgrinberg | no action items, wow | 16:05 |
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| kaufer | I had an action to get more input on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147684/ | 16:05 |
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| kaufer | However, I was hoping to get more consunsus from those in this WG before asking others | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: you got cyeoh's input | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 16:06 |
| kaufer | Specifically jaypipes | 16:06 |
| kaufer | And you sigmavirus24 :) | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Jay isn't around | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Uhoh, what'd I do now? =P | 16:06 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I think it's nice and simple, +1 | 16:07 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I haven't read it in a while | 16:08 |
| * sigmavirus24 will read it after the meeting | 16:08 | |
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| kaufer | I'll send out a note to the ML and then start PM'ing folks on this one | 16:08 |
| kaufer | Thanks sigmavirus24 | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: sounds good | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Other action items people want to update? | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action kaufer to gather more API-WG consensus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147684/5 before bringing it to the ML | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | Onwards then | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic guidelines | 16:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | (in case meetingbot decides to not parse it without stripping the whitespace) | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155911/ seems to have consensus | 16:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ needs more input because there's a serious discussion of how to accommodate Swift | 16:11 |
| miguelgrinberg | (and that won't be easy) | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Well it may not be that we need to accommodate Swift, any more than Swift needs to realize why their current design is ill-considered and why they're currently breaking RFCs and should strive to be incompliance with them | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | s/incompliance/in compliance/ | 16:12 |
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| miguelgrinberg | sure, or they can opt to not follow the guideline. Nothing will die of it. | 16:13 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: but tell us what you really think ;) | 16:13 |
| miguelgrinberg | they have their reasons, I can understand that | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: heh | 16:13 |
| dtroyer | we seem to keep running in to the notion that these guidelines are binding and retroactive | 16:13 |
| elmiko | agreed with miguelgrinberg at some level, if swift chooses not to follow the guideline then that is their perogative | 16:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | but I think it is a too contrived use case to have influence on this doc | 16:14 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Also if I recall correctly, they're arguing that this would affect object creation for them too, which I don't see how that is the case as this purely affects endpoints for metadata only | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Not for creation with metadata | 16:15 |
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| sigmavirus24 | But yes, this is another case of people not understanding that these aren't retroactive guidelines | 16:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes, this is all about their endpoints, which are too vaguely defined | 16:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | there is ambiguity | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | They're also designed around an API design that iirc Amazon no longer uses | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | so a /metadata can be metadata or can be a swift object called metadata | 16:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | I have ideas on how to disambiguate, but not sure they want to listen | 16:16 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So discussion should be further focused on that review | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | Because it appears John and Samuel aren't here | 16:17 |
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| sigmavirus24 | We should probably also involve the ML | 16:17 |
| miguelgrinberg | okay, I'll take the action to ask for feedback on the ML | 16:17 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #action miguelgrinberg to get ML feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141229/ | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | (You can't say I volunteered you for that one miguelgrinberg) | 16:18 |
| miguelgrinberg | I did it to myself :) | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | We also seem to have consensus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158179/ | 16:18 |
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| sigmavirus24 | But that's less than a week old so we have to wait for more discussion per our own guidelines around merging guidelines | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | that one seemed must less controversial too | 16:19 |
| elmiko | *much | 16:19 |
| cdent | apologies for lateness, had another meeting | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: right | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: No worries. | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG | 16:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | We're discussing guidelines | 16:21 |
| miguelgrinberg | I'm also going to ask for ML feedback on the tagging doc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ | 16:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #action miguelgrinberg to bring tagging guideline to the ML https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ | 16:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | Happy that Heat is implementing this spec :) | 16:22 |
| kaufer | miguelgrinberg: Any thoughts on if we need to revisit the repeated query string parameter vs. comma separated that came back up in the tagging guideline? | 16:22 |
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| kaufer | miguelgrinberg: I thougt that we had closed that issue but it crept back in in that review | 16:23 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: don't know. I thought we beat that horse to death, but seems we didn't | 16:23 |
| cdent | on the tagging thing: In case it's not clear from the chest inflating going on in the comments there: I'm fine with the spec as is, but we _could_ use tag=foo&tag=bar if we really wanted to | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | this is also similar to a question i have about filtering | 16:23 |
| cdent | I think the reason it came back into play is that there is a large discussion still unresolved about the extent to which we want to be driving global improvement, as opposed to local okayness | 16:24 |
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| miguelgrinberg | cdent: you could, but it would not be in agreement with the current rev of the guideline | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: there's a similar design for sorting that's already been approved and is already being implemented | 16:24 |
| stevelle | cdent: conflating what the WG wants and what the community can do? | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: the WG can write all the guidelines it wants, the community can do whatever it pleases since we have no real authority | 16:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | my view on this is that both options are valid, we have to pick one. We picked single args for sorting, so I think we should stay with single args for everything else. | 16:25 |
| cdent | miguelgrinberg: that's reasonable enough | 16:25 |
| kaufer | miguelgrinberg: +1 | 16:25 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: just to be clear, that would be the "tag=foo&tag=bar" foramt? | 16:26 |
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| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: so that would apply to filtering when we get to it | 16:26 |
| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: no, the other one: "tags=foo,bar" | 16:26 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: ok, how would filtering look given that approach? | 16:27 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I haven't look at any implementations of filtering, do you have an example? | 16:27 |
| elmiko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157563/ | 16:28 |
| elmiko | that's a spec we're working through in sahara currently | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | So this has drifted from discussion of the current specs | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | Should we save this for the end? | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i'm cool with that | 16:28 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, sure | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic APIImpact | 16:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:28 |
| stevelle | OpenStack has a mess of different filtering models already. I can get a summary that was cooked up in the py SDK project | 16:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | There should be a cinder review there that DuncanT was supposed to address here | 16:29 |
| elmiko | stevelle: that would be awesome! | 16:29 |
| briancurtin | stevelle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/find_filters | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh wait, yuriy_n17 has it at the end of the discussion | 16:29 |
| miguelgrinberg | stevelle: +1 | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | What am I supposed to be addressing, sorry? | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | DuncanT: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156552/ | 16:29 |
| elmiko | briancurtin: thanks | 16:30 |
| stevelle | briancurtin: thanks | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | You and yuriy_n17 were to bring that up during this part of the meeting :) | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Ah, ok. So we discovered today that cinder always uses UTC, except for a couple of migrations | 16:31 |
| miguelgrinberg | (I'll save my comments till the end) | 16:31 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: yes. we want to decide to timezone should be shown in API | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | as DuncanT mentioned, it isn't big issue for cinder now | 16:31 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I also don't see a blueprint for this in cinder (which would seem to be a good idea) | 16:32 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: we've got bur reported for it | 16:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | That would also make it easier for us to discuss because it would more succinctly describe the change being made there | 16:33 |
| miguelgrinberg | does this topic deserve a guideline doc? I thought it is pretty standard to use UTC on any public representations | 16:33 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: do we have any guidelines for it? | 16:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | e0ne: no there aren't. I mentioned that yesterday during cinder's meeting | 16:34 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: afaik, nova shows timezone in api, but i could be wrong | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | My personal taste is to include the timezone information using ISO8601 but I understand that will break current clients | 16:34 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Also any guideline we propose is for future versions of the API, not necessarily for additions to existing versions | 16:34 |
| e0ne | if all openstack projects will use utc time in api - it won't be issue at all | 16:35 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 16:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | e0ne: agreed. That's basically a de facto best practice for any and all APIs | 16:35 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: agree. but we must have to document it | 16:36 |
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| sigmavirus24 | e0ne: no doubt. Would you like to write that guideline? | 16:36 |
| e0ne | because time to time will got new users and/or developers which rise this question again | 16:36 |
| e0ne | sigmavirus24: ok. i'll do it with yuriy_n17. he was an initiator of this topic:) | 16:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | e0ne: thanks | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | #action e0ne and yuriy_n17 to write a guideline about datetime representation in APIs | 16:38 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | Any other APIImpact reviews people want to highlight? | 16:38 |
| stevelle | should be pretty non-controversial | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | stevelle: I agree | 16:39 |
| elmiko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157563/ | 16:39 |
| elmiko | so, we are talking about filtering in our review | 16:39 |
| elmiko | and were curious about the most proper methods | 16:40 |
| elmiko | the path we are investigating is something like "?filterkey=value&filterkey2=value" | 16:40 |
| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: I think that style makes it hard to use negative filtering | 16:41 |
| elmiko | or "filterkey=value1&filterkey=value2" | 16:41 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: could you elaborate? | 16:41 |
| miguelgrinberg | how do you specify that you want anything but a given value for a field? | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: excluding keys with certain values | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | we hadn't considered that option | 16:41 |
| elmiko | we were only looking at positive filtering | 16:41 |
| miguelgrinberg | say you like all servers that are not named "foo" | 16:41 |
| elmiko | right, i'm curious what would be a better approach? | 16:42 |
| stevelle | ...or all jobs that do not have a tag "foo" | 16:42 |
| kaufer | miguelgrinberg: Do you know of any projects that implement negative filtering like that? | 16:42 |
| miguelgrinberg | I haven't given a lot of thought, but one possibility is to define a simple query language, and just stuff an expression in a "q" argument | 16:42 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: not in openstack afaik | 16:43 |
| cdent | I've done things like: select=tag:!foo | 16:43 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cdent: yeah, I think something like that is what miguelgrinberg is proposing | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | It wouldn't hurt to see if choosing a subset of something people are familiar with (e.g., elasticsearch's query language) would be a good idea *If we need it* | 16:44 |
| miguelgrinberg | and then there is the issue of specifying ORs and ANDs | 16:44 |
| elmiko | in this case, we mainly need to prune results. i'd really love to look at something i could suggest to the team regarding a query language. | 16:44 |
| kaufer | also, there are some projects (ie, nova) where one filter key is filtering using an exact match and another is used using a regular expression | 16:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | the gerrit search is an example of a query language, though I'm not sure it has negative filtering | 16:45 |
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| kaufer | it would be nice if we had a uniform mechanism to define if a filter is an exact match, a regex, a negative filter, etc. | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: it does | 16:45 |
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| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: -owner:me | 16:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | or something like that | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | it's very similar to elasticsearch's ql | 16:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: nice, so that's a good model, though it may be too complex for projects that want a simple search | 16:46 |
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| miguelgrinberg | maybe a guideline should include simple searches as well | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | right | 16:46 |
| elmiko | would there be an issue with something like "?filterkey1=value&filterkey1=-value2" | 16:46 |
| elmiko | ? | 16:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: what about val-ue2? | 16:47 |
| cdent | there's a lot of overlap between searching, filtering, sorting and limiting | 16:47 |
| cdent | but they are also distinct | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I would assume it could be done intelligently enough but it might get tricky | 16:47 |
| miguelgrinberg | elmiko: I don't remember who didn't like me proposing the "-" as negative filtering | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: that was on sort though and was kind of an awkward way of defining asc/desc though | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | to be fair | 16:47 |
| elmiko | hmm, i could see some corner case issues | 16:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: I think cdent and I were opposed | 16:47 |
| kaufer | also, on the topic of filtering ... anyone know if the valid filters for a given project are discoverable? | 16:47 |
| cdent | I do not recall that senator. | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: if the project is properly implementing JSON Home it should be | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | kaufer: also a schema for an endpoint should tell you | 16:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't expect a project to have globally defined filters for all endpoints | 16:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: the filters should be the fields in the representation ideally, no need to call them out | 16:48 |
| kaufer | so, to align with how we did sort, maybe something like "?filterkey1=value&filterkey1=value2:negative" | 16:49 |
| elmiko | kaufer: that's not bad | 16:49 |
| miguelgrinberg | kaufer: still no way to specify AND/OR | 16:49 |
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| kaufer | AND is implicit | 16:49 |
| kaufer | but agree, there is no OR | 16:49 |
| cdent | want OR, just ask again? | 16:49 |
| kaufer | cdent: good point | 16:50 |
| miguelgrinberg | I think I'm leaning towards only positive filtering with filterkey=value, and if you want more then define a query language | 16:50 |
| stevelle | cdent: costs twice as much to service that way sadly | 16:50 |
| elmiko | yea, positive filtering is bog easy with the filterkey=value methodology | 16:50 |
| cdent | I wasn't supporting it, just stating the option. | 16:50 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: that doesn't scale unfortunately | 16:50 |
| cdent | if explicit booleans are desired then a quoted query string is probably needed | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: yes, a q=<query> style argument | 16:51 |
| elmiko | should we attempt to come up with a standardized query language for the guidelines in addition to the default positive filtering idea? | 16:51 |
| cdent | you can have both: simple implict and style queries, plus complex q="some long string of stuff with OR and AND and (* )" | 16:51 |
| kaufer | seems like there are a lot of ideas around filtering, should we start an etherpad and use that as a starting point to hash this out? | 16:51 |
| cdent | jinx | 16:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | yeah | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | We're running close to the end of meeting | 16:52 |
| * cdent nods | 16:52 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Should we move on? | 16:52 |
| elmiko | kaufer: +1 | 16:52 |
| elmiko | cdent: yea i like the idea of dual approach | 16:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | Are there other API Impact topics? | 16:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It seems gilliard has left | 16:52 |
| cdent | I have a what should have been API Impact but couldn't get the commit message changed question/comment: | 16:53 |
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| sigmavirus24 | cdent: shoot | 16:53 |
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| cdent | Given uri /foo/bar/baz is it legit for /foo/bar to return 404 or should it return _something_ (what?) to indicate that baz (and siblings) might be there. | 16:54 |
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| cdent | this issue is coming up in: | 16:54 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159204/ | 16:54 |
| cdent | (but that's not the place where the lack of APIImpact is, as that's my commit) | 16:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | cdent: imo you can return 404 | 16:55 |
| cdent | certainly from a strictness standpoint 404 is correct, but from a friendliness standpoint, less so | 16:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | if you want to return something, then you are getting into the idea of sub-resources | 16:56 |
| cdent | It assumes a non human client that already knows the api, rather than a human digging around for kicks and giggles. | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | so for example /resource returns a big representation, then /resource/field-name returns a subset of the big resource | 16:56 |
| elmiko | so, in the example of /foo/bar/baz, /foo/bar would return all bazs? | 16:57 |
| miguelgrinberg | I know people roll their eyes when I say this (I know you are sigmavirus24), but URLs should be opaque, should be discovered, so there is no obligation to have them nicely structured | 16:57 |
| cdent | I mostly agree with you miguelgrinberg, if discovery mechanism is present, but when it is not... | 16:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: that's what miguelgrinberg is saying but it may not always be true | 16:58 |
| miguelgrinberg | when it is not, you document the valid endpoints, so still not a problem | 16:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm also not rolling my eyes at you miguelgrinberg, that's a waste without you being able to see it | 16:58 |
| cdent | elmiko: baz is one of the bars, /foo/bar would return all the bars | 16:58 |
| miguelgrinberg | sigmavirus24: save it for next month :) | 16:58 |
| cdent | (or somethign like that) | 16:58 |
| elmiko | ok, so the bars might include bazs, amongst other things? | 16:59 |
| elmiko | or are bars and bazs unrelated? | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | we're almost out of time | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 17:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-26-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-26-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-02-26-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | I sent that later than I intended to do | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Perhaps we should continue on the ML | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: thanks! | 17:00 |
| cdent | elmiko in the case I was imagining bars might include bazs, amongst other things | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: ML ;) | 17:01 |
| cdent | yah | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | that or we need to reserve 2 hours for these meetings | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 17:01 |
| elmiko | cdent: thanks for indulging me =) | 17:01 |
| elmiko | needs more #openstack-api ! | 17:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: we can register that channel if we want | 17:02 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: i'm guessing it would be pretty low traffic, but might be cool for questions and what not | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also for finishing conversations | 17:03 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:03 |
| stevelle | anyone want an informal action item? | 17:03 |
| elmiko | seems like a nice idea to me, i've got loads of questions =D | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm working on it | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | sigmavirus24: nice! | 17:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: we're discussing the idea in #openstack-dev too | 17:06 |
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| rkukura | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:02 |
| yapeng | hello | 18:02 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:02 |
| banix | hi | 18:03 |
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| Yi | Hi Folks | 18:03 |
| s3wong | Yi: hello | 18:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:03 |
| Yi | s3wong: Hi! | 18:04 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam seems to be online...... | 18:05 |
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| s3wong | not anymore..... :-) | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: mageshgv banix ivar-lazzaro: there? | 18:08 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi, yes | 18:08 |
| rkukura | hi again SumitNaiksatam | 18:08 |
| s3wong | seems like he is back online..... | 18:08 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | darn, some problem with my client | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was not able to see any responses | 18:08 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: welcome back:) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 18:08:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: s3wong: :-) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Feb_26th.2C_19th.2C_12th.2C_2015 | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i wanted to make a proposal up front | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | how about having a bug squashing day sometime early next week? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that will help us plan for the next cut of the stable release as well | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the idea would be squash as many as high and medium priority bugs on that | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and have reviewers handy to review and merge them | 18:11 |
| rkukura | +1, but not on Monday (I’m flying) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can coordinate on the day, perhaps, tuesday/wednesday | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | +1, sure, we can have it next week | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if everyone is on board with the idea | 18:11 |
| Yi | +1 | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | note that this will also help with regards to the planned refacto (to have these bugs fixed before the refactor) | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi: ivar-lazzaro: mageshgv: ok thanks for the confirmation | 18:12 |
| yapeng | +1, wed. works for me. | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets tenatively plan that for tuesday or wednesday (or perhaps even thursday) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will reach out to everyone, and follow up with a note to the ML | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: hi | 18:14 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: FYI - we are planning a bug squashing day sometime next week | 18:14 |
| LouisF | ok | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay anything else to share with the rest of the team upfront? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so still on the topic of bugs | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one request, please check if the bugs you are fixing have a “juno-backport-potential” tag | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and if so, please propose a cherry-pick backport patch to the stable/juno branch | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we dont have any criticals show up during the week | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs/fixes we need to discuss here? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: and krishnaK have a couple of bug fixe patches on review | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i think ivar-lazzaro had some comments for you, anything we need to discuss with the rest of the team here? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi! | 18:17 |
| songole | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:17 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I think the comments are addressed unless ivar-lazzaro has some more comments to bring up | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ah, i did not check today | 18:18 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: will look at the review today | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, lets circle back on that | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh, while on that | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one informational point to the team - | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | when creating a foreign key or unique constraints, please provide a name to those | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are at least a couple of places in the code where we are not doing that | 18:20 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1! | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it becomes a little bit messy to drop those constructs later | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for doing the investigation on this as well | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: magesh found a way of doing that in a backward compatible way | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: true | 18:20 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: that's awesome! | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and thats great, but i think it will still help to name | 18:20 |
| mageshgv | As a general rule it will help later if we name the constraints though | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yeah | 18:21 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: no need to name the constraints | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: for the fix you have, is there any chance that column names can have overlaps? | 18:21 |
| rkukura | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116122/23/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/2d2a8a565438_hierarchical_binding.py for a migration that removes unnamed constraints | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i know its not true in our case currrently | 18:22 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I do not think there will be any overlap issue there | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am sure it can be done, as mageshgv also figured out | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: thanks for the link | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think it makes the code more readable and less prone to mistakes if the constraint is identified by a name | 18:23 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: makes sense | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see a follow up on: 1416527 and 1417206 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will check with jishnub again | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:25 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we spent another week deliberating on this | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think it was time well spent | 18:25 |
| yapeng | yes, thanks for comments. | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile yapeng and Yi also have some WIP patches | 18:26 |
| yapeng | I updated the spec yesterday. please review it. | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: yes, i saw that, and I have +2’ed it | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we should close on this now, and have further discussion in the implementation patches | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we need to revisit design, we can revise the spec by posting a follow up patch | 18:27 |
| Yi | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: on you comment on L102 of #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153126/7/specs/kilo/gbp-refactor-neutron-restful-api.rst | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: when "self.create_policy_target" is used in the UTs, that is a wrapper for neutron-wsgi | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes | 18:27 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that's not a direct call | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: erm "neutron-plugin" call | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: under the hood that method does a new_create_request | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: is that what is being mentioned there? | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: so as long as the UTs client wrapper uses neutron-wsgi calls, we should be ok | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | "When a call such as "create_policy_target" [1] is made in the RMD UT, the RMD implementation is making a neutron-plugin call." | 18:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: did I understand it wrong? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: checking | 18:31 |
| yapeng | ivar-lazzaro: I think this is the current implementation.. | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: by neutron-plugin calls i am referring to #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/resource_mapping.py#L1358-L1416 | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok, that seemed to be referring to the UT implementation | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the clarification | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ah i see, i put [1] as a reference to the UT calls | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so anyone not on board to make progress with the way the current spec is defined? | 18:36 |
| s3wong | +1 | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so unless there are any other major concerns lets close on this spec today | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cores - request you to take a look at the earliest and push this forward | 18:38 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I can review the spec one more time today and give the second +2 | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay great, thanks! | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Floating IP support (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:39 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just realized that i did not post the link of the refactoring spec... | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so belatedly - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153126 ;-) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP support | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/157298 | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think mageshgv dropped off | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | myself and ivar-lazzaro reviewed this, and we are waiting for mageshgv to post the next patch set | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else had a chance to look at the above spec? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | questions/comments? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe songole is here and might be able to address those on mageshgv’s behalf | 18:42 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I have not yet, but will | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great, thanks | 18:42 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I have not reviewed yet. I will review. | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah okay :-) | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: songole any chance that you guys can review this by EoD? | 18:43 |
| songole | ok | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that way when mageshgv is back by evening our time, he can post a consolidated/updated patch set | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you for the next two topics | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Taskflow investigation | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you mentioned you are reviewing the neutron patches | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and gaining better understanding | 18:45 |
| rkukura | I haven’t made any progress on this since last week, but will get to it shortly | 18:46 |
| rkukura | I’d also like to look at how other projects are using TaskFlow | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: would it help if we have a sesson with manish next week? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since you are going to be here? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can try and reach out to him | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rest of the team can also participate | 18:47 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: could be a good idea, but lets see when we schedule the bug squashing first | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes sure, we can do those on separate days | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so two action items for me in terms of planning for next week | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I think we may have some different requirements with the need to validate and implicitly create resources before transactions, ... | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update | 18:48 |
| rkukura | np | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging update | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe no developments on the RH/Fedora packing, right? | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ^^^ ? | 18:50 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: one | 18:50 |
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| rkukura | The heat package’s dependencies have become out of date, so this needs an update | 18:50 |
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| rkukura | would be nice to update to stable releases for everything at the same time | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah, was just asking if we needed to cut a new stable | 18:51 |
| rkukura | Its actially the horizon package, not heat | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on that, susaant has made a couple of fixes in gbpautomation which should be backported | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah okay | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will be posting a fix in horizon as well | 18:52 |
| rkukura | and it might just be that fedora rawhide has already moved to a kilo milestone - need to investigate | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:52 |
| rkukura | how about if we target end of next week for stable update? | 18:52 |
| rkukura | after we’ve squashed and backported bugs | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, end of next week | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so horizon we can cut new stable after i post the patch | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please watch out for that | 18:54 |
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| rkukura | was just looking at the broken dependency email - I think we will need kilo-compatible versions to resolve this | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: oh, thats tricky | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lets discuss offline | 18:54 |
| rkukura | but this issue is just with Fedora rawhide (F22) right now, not RDO, which is still Juno | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: whew! | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | slightly off current-topic, but since we brought up heat - susaant has two important bug fixes waiting to be reviewed: | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/155096 | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/155153 | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if anyone has time, please review | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above will need to be backported | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is another one which is for a namespace change: #link https://review.openstack.org/155172 | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which will not be backported | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also regarding the Ubuntu packages | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have not documented the install process (similar to what has been done for RH/Fedora) | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think magesh tried this and has some notes | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he will be posting them on the wiki | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but if anyone else has tried this, please chime in | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the wiki page | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this would be the place to put it: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy#Try_Group-based_Policy | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: nicolas mentioned that there was someone from his team who was going to follow up on your blueprints | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: havent seen acitivity there | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to discuss? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | grand total of one min remaining ;-) | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, i guess nothing more for today | 19:00 |
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| rkukura | anyone using the extension driver APIs? | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not yet | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | need to check with banix | 19:00 |
| rkukura | some changes in the neutron version of those we might want to pull in | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think ivar-lazzaro also plans to use | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets take it to #openstack-gbp | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ciao! | 19:01 |
| yapeng | bye! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 19:01:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-26-18.08.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-26-18.08.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-02-26-18.08.log.html | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:02 |
| Yi | bye | 19:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 21:01 |
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| Shamail | Hi everyone | 21:02 |
| Shamail | megm_: how are you? | 21:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 21:03 |
| Shamail | Hi Sam-I-Am! | 21:03 |
| Shamail | I guess we are a light crew today? I don't see Sriram, Matt, Nick, etc. | 21:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nick was supposed to lead this in matt's absense | 21:04 |
| Shamail | Or am I in the wrong room? (Fairly common with me) | 21:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought we're here | 21:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | lemmie email nick | 21:04 |
| Shamail | I do too | 21:04 |
| Shamail | Hmm, when was the email sent? | 21:04 |
| Shamail | I missed it. | 21:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | few mins ago to openstack-docs | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | just before the meeting | 21:05 |
| Shamail | Ah | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'll wait here for a bit | 21:05 |
| Shamail | Yep | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes time zones are hard | 21:06 |
| Shamail | I messed up and set docs to a daily digest | 21:06 |
| Shamail | I don't get immediate notice... Don't know how to change that. | 21:06 |
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| Shamail | Time zones are hard, especially when you travel. :-) | 21:06 |
| Shamail | Was cloud don here last week? | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | Shamail: i think you can change it on lists.openstack.org | 21:07 |
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| Shamail | I'll give that a shot. | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | nick says he'll be here shortly | 21:07 |
| Shamail | Did Matt suggest any agenda items in that message? | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | we all have back to back meetings :/ | 21:07 |
| Shamail | Awesome | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we're going to review additions to the ToC | 21:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | that was last week's task | 21:08 |
| Shamail | Got it. | 21:08 |
| Shamail | I spoke with WTE today and can provide an update from them as well | 21:08 |
| Shamail | Did you submit any sessions for Vancouver? | 21:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes, i did | 21:09 |
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| nickchase | hey, all | 21:09 |
| Shamail | Good luck! | 21:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi nick | 21:09 |
| nickchase | have we started? | 21:09 |
| Shamail | Hi nickchase | 21:09 |
| Shamail | No | 21:09 |
| nickchase | ok, let's. | 21:10 |
| Shamail | All yours sir | 21:10 |
| nickchase | trying to remember how to start the meet bot | 21:10 |
| nickchase | #startmeeting | 21:10 |
| openstack | nickchase: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:10 |
| nickchase | #startmeeting HA Guide | 21:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 21:11:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nickchase. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA Guide)" | 21:11 | |
| nickchase | there we go. | 21:11 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 21:11 |
| nickchase | OK, then, so let me grab last week's notes, one moment | 21:11 |
| Shamail | perfect. | 21:11 |
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| nickchase | OK, so we had no "official" action items from last week, but I know that megm was filling in links to existing material in the TOC. (digging...) | 21:12 |
| nickchase | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC | 21:12 |
| nickchase | she said that she's not quite finished yet | 21:13 |
| Shamail | I have an update on this "topic" (loosely coupled) | 21:13 |
| nickchase | Also do we have any of the mirantis team here (besides me)? | 21:13 |
| nickchase | awesome, go, Shamail | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, the big one was updating the ToC | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | with a secondary of seeing what was re-usable | 21:13 |
| nickchase | great so let's stick with that. | 21:13 |
| Shamail | I told the win the enterprise team that we are trying to establish scope for the HA-Guide.... | 21:14 |
| Shamail | For example is it just instructions or should it help people establish a HA strategy as well | 21:14 |
| Shamail | This will probably impact ToC as well | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i'm going to the ops mid-cycle and plan to see what people are using for HA | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: so this should help the ToC | 21:14 |
| Shamail | Sam-I-Am: that is awesome | 21:15 |
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| nickchase | great. | 21:15 |
| Shamail | What is our stance on the topic I mentioned related to scope? | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | i added/removed a few things since last week | 21:15 |
| nickchase | so one thing at a time: Shamail: I think it should talk about strategy | 21:15 |
| nickchase | Sam-I-Am: what do you think? | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 21:16 |
| Shamail | nickchase: agreed, but I have not seen much content discussion around strategy versus tactical execution of HA | 21:16 |
| nickchase | That's fine, we need to get it in there, then. | 21:16 |
| nickchase | #agreed We need to add strategy information to the TOC. | 21:17 |
| Shamail | The current version of HA-Guide assumes that people understand HA (and implications) and simply need instructions on how to implement | 21:17 |
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| nickchase | So I will get some structure in for strategy if nobody else wants it. | 21:17 |
| nickchase | going once ... going twice... | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | we dont want to re-invent someone else's docs... so imho, for things like galera, we should point people at the galera docs | 21:18 |
| Shamail | I'd like to help with that (as a co-developer or reviewer) | 21:18 |
| nickchase | Sure. | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, how to implement galera with openstack is our thing. | 21:18 |
| nickchase | ok, great. | 21:18 |
| nickchase | yes. | 21:18 |
| Shamail | I agree Sam-I-Am | 21:18 |
| nickchase | #action nickchase Add structure for HA strategy. | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: hey this is already better than the docs meeting today :) | 21:18 |
| nickchase | #agreed We don't want to duplicate existing docs (ie, for Galera) | 21:18 |
| nickchase | Sam-I-Am: I can start a fist fight if you want. :) | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: can we make the ha guide pretty? :) | 21:19 |
| Shamail | Did Matt do a read-out for his task of reviewing the install-guide? | 21:19 |
| nickchase | :) | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i prefer dumpster fires | 21:19 |
| nickchase | Shamail: my understanding is he's still working on it. | 21:19 |
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| Shamail | Cool. I missed last week so wasn't sure (I could've reviewed notes) | 21:20 |
| nickchase | so moving on... | 21:20 |
| nickchase | OK, so the Mirantis guys are looking at which topics they think they can complete quickly and efficiently and let us know. | 21:20 |
| nickchase | so between that and the existing content, that'll give us some structure for figuring out what we still need to assign. | 21:20 |
| Shamail | Please let me know which topics are "up for grabs" as well. I'm willing and able. :) | 21:21 |
| nickchase | Great. | 21:21 |
| nickchase | OK, so do we have an actual agenda (he said, slapping his forehead)? | 21:21 |
| Shamail | Not sure, although I did want to mention my task and its lack of completion. :) | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | not much beyond task updates from last meeting | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | and maybe that we'll do this in rst :) | 21:22 |
| nickchase | apparently it's TBD. :) | 21:23 |
| Shamail | Hehe | 21:23 |
| nickchase | I'm fine to do it in RST now that we know how. :) | 21:23 |
| nickchase | it's easy peasy to get it set up. | 21:23 |
| nickchase | Even if I do seem to be giving Andreas hives. :) | 21:23 |
| Shamail | Someone fill me in! I'm all for it. | 21:23 |
| nickchase | what, how to do RST? | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably a good thing to determine early so we don't get another network guide fiasco | 21:24 |
| Shamail | No, switching. :-) | 21:24 |
| nickchase | we haven't decided, to the best of my knowledge. | 21:24 |
| nickchase | and I don't think we should without Matt here. | 21:25 |
| nickchase | Discussion for the mailing list, perhaps? | 21:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: yes | 21:25 |
| nickchase | any objections to discussing on the ML? | 21:25 |
| nickchase | great. | 21:25 |
| Shamail | Nope | 21:25 |
| nickchase | #agreed We'll take the discussion of RST vs Docbook to the mailing list. | 21:26 |
| nickchase | OK, so do we have anything else right now? | 21:26 |
| Shamail | So, as Matt was reviewing install-guide, I have volunteered to review ops-guide. The intention was to review it to determine whether it contains "recovery" information from failures. I was out of the office last week but I wanted to let everyone know that I am still planning to go through all 300+ pages. | 21:26 |
| nickchase | excellent. | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think there's much in the ops guide about ha | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | but you never know. such is the problem with a lot of different-but-not-really guides | 21:26 |
| Shamail | I don't think so either but should it? | 21:26 |
| nickchase | #action Shamail Review the ops guide for any references that are relevant to HA. | 21:27 |
| nickchase | #action Sam-I-Am Review the install guide for any references that are relevant to HA. | 21:27 |
| Shamail | I'm going to steal that term Sam-I-Am | 21:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, was that MY thing, or matt's thing :) lol | 21:27 |
| nickchase | I think that in places where it's relevant we should link it over ot the HA guide. | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes i'm sam, sometimes i'm not | 21:27 |
| Shamail | lol | 21:27 |
| nickchase | :) | 21:28 |
| nickchase | what else we got? | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'm doing the install guide bits? | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | where should we log these things, an etherpad? | 21:28 |
| nickchase | If you prefer. I like the wiki better but I'm not in charge. | 21:28 |
| Shamail | Do we know which sessions were proposed for Vancouver in relation to HA? | 21:28 |
| nickchase | I do not. | 21:29 |
| Shamail | I submitted one but wasn't sure if others did | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont either. probably best to wait until they're voted on. | 21:29 |
| nickchase | I was woefully under-diligent in voting. | 21:29 |
| Shamail | I prefer wiki as well | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | then maybe some of us can hit those sessions | 21:29 |
| nickchase | you're outvoted, matt. :) | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | wiki is fine | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i spent half a day voting and only got through maybe 1/4 of them | 21:30 |
| nickchase | you want to create wiki pages and link them to the main page or do you want me to? | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: you can do it, managerate! | 21:30 |
| nickchase | I cherry-picked the ones that looked interesting. | 21:30 |
| nickchase | :) | 21:30 |
| nickchase | #action nickchase Create wiki pages for the install guide and ops guide notes and link them from the main HA guide page. | 21:31 |
| nickchase | next? | 21:31 |
| Shamail | I'm done :) | 21:31 |
| nickchase | Sam-I-Am? | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we're good, sir | 21:32 |
| nickchase | excellent. | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | make sure you send an update e-mail with our tasks :) | 21:32 |
| nickchase | I hereby return the next 28 mintues. | 21:32 |
| nickchase | :) | 21:32 |
| nickchase | I managerated them properly in the bot, I hope. | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll see you tomorrow for Yet Another Meeting | 21:32 |
| nickchase | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 21:32:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-26-21.11.html | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-26-21.11.txt | 21:32 |
| nickchase | yep. later! | 21:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-02-26-21.11.log.html | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | seeeeeeya | 21:32 |
| nickchase | why yes, it actually worked! | 21:33 |
| nickchase | later. :) | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | magic | 21:33 |
| Shamail | Cya?!!! | 21:33 |
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