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| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, Hi. | 04:21 |
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| yushiro | dougwig, amotoki Hi. Do you have a minute? | 04:35 |
| amotoki | すみません。メインディスプレイが映らなくなったので、右側しか見えないのでちょっとやばいです | 04:39 |
| amotoki | sorry. I wrote to the wrong channel. | 04:42 |
| amotoki | yushiro: what meeting here? | 04:42 |
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| yushiro | amotoki, Thank you. I'd like you to review my patch about fwaas and neutron-unit test | 04:50 |
| amotoki | yushiro: it is not a channel for such request. | 04:50 |
| yushiro | amotoki, I'm so sorry. | 04:51 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 23 16:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Who's here? | 16:01 |
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| yolanda | hi hi | 16:01 |
| rcarrillocruz | hi | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | wooooo | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | people! | 16:01 |
| jeblair | and other persons | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | People, and other persons? Wow, do we get some personalities too? | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week: DB Refactor Spec | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last Week: DB Refactor Spec (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:02 | |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: You around? Any work on the spec? | 16:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | I'll take that as a no. Leaving it on the agenda. | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:03 | |
| krotscheck | Did anything major come up? | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Also silence! | 16:04 |
| * krotscheck is happy when that topic has silence. | 16:04 | |
| krotscheck | I did bring one up though | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: HP Things | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items: HP Things (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:04 | |
| yolanda | :( | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | So, as some of you may have seen on the TripleO threads on channel, there've been some changes inside of HP. | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | I cannot comment on details from inside of HP | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | However at this point it's becoming clear that our team will be impacted as well. | 16:05 |
| * ttx doesn't want to see the insides | 16:05 | |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: in what way? | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: There is significant concern that yolanda, rcarrillocruz, and jedimike won't be able to contribute much anymore. | 16:06 |
| yolanda | i will do on free time | 16:06 |
| * krotscheck notes that some of them have been doing so on free time already. | 16:06 | |
| yolanda | i'm really commited with storyboard | 16:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will as well, but obv. this will impact SB... | 16:07 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: this is news to me | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I'd be happy to discuss internal HP things with you in internal HP channels, or you could reach out to them direclty. | 16:07 |
| jeblair | yolanda, rcarrillocruz: has someone told you such? | 16:07 |
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| rcarrillocruz | likewise, i'm happy to share our thoughts and concerns | 16:07 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, we cannot share so much but it will be like that | 16:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | in private or an internal HP channel | 16:08 |
| yolanda | yes | 16:08 |
| yolanda | private | 16:08 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: ok, i'm just confused, because yolanda and rcarrillocruz were not on the tripleo team. | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | With that in mind though, we do not yet know any details. | 16:08 |
| yolanda | jeblair, krotscheck, we can create later some channel and talk about it | 16:09 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i do not believe what you say should be the case | 16:09 |
| jeblair | i'm happy to talk about it privately | 16:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | agree | 16:09 |
| jeblair | but i did not bring it up publicly | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I agree, I am saying there's concern, and that we don't know much yet. | 16:10 |
| jeblair | so, i will say publicly that i don't think it should be the case, there may be a misunderstanding | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | Again, I agree, and I am saying publicly that the situation remains unresolved. | 16:10 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: yes, but saying "i have concern that hp is cutting support for 3 people who are working on this project" is a dangerous thing to say | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Dangerous how? I am being honest. | 16:11 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i wish you would have said nothing until you knew something factual. i believe you have just muddied the waters. | 16:11 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: because now people will think that hp is less committed to storyboard, and this is all based on a reorganization of an unrelated team. | 16:11 |
| ttx | I for one appreciate the heads-up. Let me know how that evolves (one way or another) | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | Well, I'm not a fan of hiding things until facts develop. Concerns need to be raised so they can be addressed, and I welcome public statements to address those concerns. | 16:13 |
| mordred | I have no reason to believe that anyone at HP will be prevented from working on storyboard | 16:14 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: sure, but "at this point it's becoming clear that our team will be impacted as well" seems counterfactual to me | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Good to hear. | 16:14 |
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| mordred | or, let me rephrase, there are no priorities that have been changed that I am aware of for any of the people at HP other than krotscheck who have been hacking on storyboard. | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | Listen: There's an elephant in the room. I am not a fan of ignoring the elephant until we know whether it's pink or not. I am worried, lots of people are worried. | 16:15 |
| yolanda | mordred, so i think we all need to have better clarification, and expose the situation clearly | 16:15 |
| yolanda | that's not the moment btw | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | I say we recognize that there's an elephant, and express our color preferences. | 16:16 |
| mordred | they have always had a primary job description that could trump for moments of time their ability to have a ton of time to devote | 16:16 |
| mordred | given that they are responsible for a production service and outages take priority | 16:16 |
| mordred | nothing about that has changed | 16:16 |
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| krotscheck | Guys, I'm not trying to put anyone on the defensive here. | 16:17 |
| mordred | similarly, their production service is based on openstack-infra, so being involved with usptream infra efforts has been and remains to be a priority | 16:17 |
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| mordred | sure - I just want to be clear about what the situation has been and is now | 16:17 |
| mordred | I apoligize for any lack of clarity that is causing stress | 16:17 |
| mordred | apologize | 16:17 |
| mordred | apoligize is not a word :) | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | It is in some parts of the states. | 16:18 |
| mordred | touche | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so my intent with bringing this up was to just say: Hey, things inside of HP are really uncertain right now, there's a bunch of people who contribute to this project who are worried. | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | If something similar happened to Mirantis, I would hope they bring it up as well. | 16:18 |
| mordred | indeed. I'll make a note to try to clarify with everyone | 16:19 |
| mordred | there is actually not uncertainty - but that may be unclear and uncertain | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Oh good. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | Anyone have anything else to say on this before we move on? | 16:19 |
| mordred | I had meant to follow up with everyone towards the end of last week, but I am only just now really back online | 16:20 |
| mordred | so sorry for stress my company causes sometimes | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | Alright, let's move on. | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topics: Google Summer of Code | 16:21 |
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| yolanda | not related, but haven't seen Jovanka for some days | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Where's she based out of? | 16:22 |
| yolanda | Macedonia | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | kk. | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | So we've got the UX team support as a potential project. Does anyone else have ideas? | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | Oh, comeon. Does anyone else have off-roadmap pet projects they want to see in storyboard? | 16:23 |
| yolanda | only UX ? why not a full feature? | 16:23 |
| jeblair | yolanda: the full feature is adding support for interactive annotation of attached images in support of the ux team | 16:24 |
| yolanda | attached images will be covered by Jovanka | 16:24 |
| yolanda | but i need to contact her again, not sure what happens | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | mordred: What about a storyboard IRC bot? | 16:25 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: we're discussing alternative bot frameworks, but i don't think we've quite settled how that will work. we may not be ready for that. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Will that discussion have settled by may? | 16:26 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: probably. it will also be a very small project; probably 50 lines of code. | 16:27 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I suggested the file attachment stuff :) | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Right! | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | SOrry, forgot about that. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | If jovanka's able to work on that, great. | 16:28 |
| * ttx tries to remember the other idea he had | 16:28 | |
| ttx | oh, markup comments | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Could you explain that one a bit more? | 16:29 |
| ttx | well, the ability to use rich(er) text in comments | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | Oh, nice. | 16:29 |
| * krotscheck puts that on the list. | 16:29 | |
| ttx | (and descriptions for that matter) | 16:29 |
| ttx | I see two items that correspond in the Roadmap: | 16:29 |
| ttx | Etherpad Summit Design Session Markup Import | 16:29 |
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| ttx | Rich Text Comments (markdown?) | 16:30 |
| ttx | Oh oh oh | 16:30 |
| ttx | I remember now: "task ordering". | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | The ability to push our code back to the various node/bower repositories would be nice too. | 16:30 |
| ttx | That was the other idea | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | Brilliant. | 16:30 |
| ttx | I think that's sufficiently standalone | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | That gives us 6 projects to propose. | 16:30 |
| ttx | All the others are pretty deep in the code | 16:30 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, and who knows how much code someone can get. It'll take at least a month to get into the codebase. | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | s/get/get done/ | 16:31 |
| ttx | File attachments and task ordering neatly touch transversally without depending on too much other's work | 16:31 |
| jeblair | btw, i worked on a story the other day that is almost certainly going to want task ordering | 16:31 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Is that the one that was entered on friday? | 16:32 |
| jeblair | ya | 16:32 |
| jeblair | we were brainstorming into the story, and i'm certain we didn't get all the things we need to do in the right order the first time :) | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | So just to be clear, we're talking about a simple ordering mechanism, not something like task dependencies? | 16:33 |
| ttx | krotscheck: exact | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 16:33 |
| ttx | ideally with awesome UI to match | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | :) | 16:33 |
| * krotscheck really wants to work on the UI again :( | 16:33 | |
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| ttx | The idea being to be lightweight enough so that people can ignore ordering when it doesn't matter but can order when it does | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Alright, it's on the list. | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone object to settling this topic? YOu can marinate on it in our free time and add thigns later. | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | Currently I have UX Feature, File attachments, Rich Text markup, and Task Ordering | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | #action Krotscheck Get GSoC onto the wiki with some descriptions. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (krotscheck) | 16:37 |
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| krotscheck | So, last week I was working on puppet. There's enough features lined up on the storyboard codebase that it warrants an update to the module. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | The hope being that storyboard-dev will soon become a thing. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | I do have a few patches that won't pass because they're interdependent with ones on system-config, so I'll be poking the infra channel about figuring out the depends-on tag for that one. | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | The pile starts here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156755/2 | 16:39 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I still couldn't get auth through -draft to work, still "Oh No" | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Yep. That's what that first patch is there for. | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Wait, i lied. | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | It's the second one in the chain | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | This one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157464/ | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | I think | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Or did I lie again? | 16:40 |
| ttx | ack -- don't have +2 there and seems to have enough +1s | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:40 |
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| krotscheck | That one'll make the configuration flag available, we'll need to add a similar patch in system-config to move things. | 16:40 |
| * krotscheck doesn't have +2 there either | 16:41 | |
| jeblair | krotscheck: then in your system-config patch, add "Depends-On: I29495a0b640c3ca097cca8c17349df5cc42388de" to the commit message | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I did for some of them. There's a bit of a chicken-egg problem on one of the patches though, will flag you later if I can't figure it out. | 16:42 |
| jeblair | kk | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | That stack happens to start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157981/2/modules/openstack_project/manifests/storyboard.pp | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | I'm going to continue working on that, because I have too many things on my plate and I want to get some of them off. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Next. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (yolanda) | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | What's up? | 16:42 |
| yolanda | so... | 16:43 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/156543 | 16:43 |
| yolanda | needs review | 16:43 |
| yolanda | the index for access_token | 16:43 |
| * krotscheck rechecks that patch now that python34 is voting. | 16:44 | |
| krotscheck | (Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that python34 is voting now!) | 16:44 |
| yolanda | specs for integration tests had a +2 https://review.openstack.org/150743 | 16:44 |
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| krotscheck | +1 from me. | 16:45 |
| yolanda | and i started working on it even the spec wasn't approved 100% | 16:45 |
| yolanda | so this one is for adding the tooling in the backend to run the tests | 16:45 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/155975 | 16:45 |
| yolanda | and this one to create the configuration in project-config | 16:46 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/156044 | 16:46 |
| yolanda | and that's all from my side | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (greghaynes) | 16:47 |
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| krotscheck | He's... not here. | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | I'll give his update. | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | He made python 34 work! | 16:47 |
| yolanda | woot! | 16:47 |
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| * krotscheck is looking forward to the land of no more six. | 16:48 | |
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| rcarrillocruz | good, i was fed up of getting tox failures :-) | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Me too :) | 16:48 |
| CTtpollard | cool | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone have major objections to eventually getting rid of python27? Right now the only issue seems to be older debian versions (ubuntu-precise-ish) that don't have a py34 distor. | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | *distro | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | Well, if so, we can argue that on gerrit. | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (rcarrillocruz) | 16:50 |
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| krotscheck | Hi hi! | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | nothing i'm afraid | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | drowned by dayjob the whole week | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | sorry :( | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | No worries! | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (NikitaKonovalov) | 16:51 |
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| krotscheck | You here? | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | ....wait a sec. | 16:51 |
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| krotscheck | Oh, it's "Defend the Fatherland" day in russia. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | (Defender of) | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | They're probably on holiday. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress (jedimike) | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | You here? | 16:52 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i'd like to keep python27 for a while; it's the default python in the current ubuntu lts | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: You got it. | 16:52 |
| yolanda | jedimike had day off | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | Cool! | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion. | 16:52 |
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| krotscheck | We have 8 minutes! | 16:52 |
| ttx | woohoo | 16:52 |
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| ttx | (says the guy attending two meetings in parallel) | 16:53 |
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| krotscheck | I wnt to apologize fro dragging my feet on email, dev.storyboard, and other things. | 16:53 |
| yolanda | so for the integration tests, i hope the project and the tools are merged this week, and i want to do some more tests than just testing an empty api result | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | I don't know why it's been tough to focus on that, but something else keeps getting in the way. | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: The only question on that I have is about the DB_ADMIN user - isnt' there a ci_openstacktest user that we can use? | 16:55 |
| yolanda | well, i wanted to do the tool more generic | 16:55 |
| yolanda | so you can run the tests in your own environment | 16:55 |
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| yolanda | so i added the flag that indicates if you want to create the initial user | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Right, I see that. I was thinking more here -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156044/12/jenkins/jobs/javascript.yaml | 16:56 |
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| yolanda | ah, ok | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | The DB_ADMIN_USER field | 16:56 |
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| yolanda | but in that case you install mysql from scratch, no user will be present at this moment | 16:57 |
| yolanda | you need to connect as root and create the initial users | 16:57 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda: Right. So we've got two use cases, the need to install things from scratch, and the need to use something sane on the jenkins instance. | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | We're out of time though, I'll comment on the review. | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 23 16:59:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-23-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-23-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you krotscheck :) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-02-23-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| yolanda | bye! | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | NobodyCam: You're welcome, have fun in your meeting :) | 16:59 |
| NobodyCam | :) yeppers :) | 17:00 |
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| jroll | \o | 17:00 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 23 17:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hellooo! | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| naohirot | o/ | 17:00 |
| lazy_prince | hi all.. | 17:00 |
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| devananda | as usual, our agenda's on the wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| maurosr | hi | 17:01 |
| wanyen | o/ | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | light agenda today | 17:01 |
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| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:01 |
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| devananda | feature freeze is coming up, and while we got a lot done at the sprints the last few weeks, we've got A TONNE to review ... | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah | 17:02 |
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| rloo | feature proposal (ie specs) freeze is March 5. Feature freeze (code) is March 19? | 17:03 |
| rloo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 17:03 |
| devananda | rloo: sounds right | 17:03 |
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| devananda | we're sticking to that, but practically, it means we need to stay on top of our priorities | 17:04 |
| devananda | which brings me to | 17:04 |
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| devananda | last week I was pretty sick and was only sort of here for the meeting | 17:04 |
| devananda | at the SF meetup, we talked about how we're tracking our priorities | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) /me hopes deva is feeling better | 17:04 |
| * dtantsur too | 17:04 | |
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| * BadCub_ too | 17:04 | |
| devananda | and BadCub_ volunteered to help me - mostly to help around communicating and keeping launchpad up to date | 17:05 |
| devananda | since I don't check on it often enough | 17:05 |
| devananda | so I wanted to (re)announce that :) | 17:05 |
| devananda | that's all from me - any other announces? | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) Thank you BadCub_ :) | 17:05 |
| * BadCub_ will be digging deeper into that this week :-) | 17:05 | |
| devananda | ok - moving on | 17:06 |
| devananda | #topic status report | 17:06 |
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| wanyen | deva, some of the approved specs are not on kilo3 launchpad yet | 17:06 |
| devananda | wanyen: yes, BadCub_ is aware. please ping him (after the meeting) to update those | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: can we #link thouse to BadCub_ | 17:06 |
| wanyen | will do | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard <- for status reports | 17:07 |
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| devananda | jroll, JayF: quick update on IPA - I was at the tripleo sprint for a couple days last week, and hope that I made it clear we're switching to IPA | 17:08 |
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| devananda | the only blocker for them was iSCSI-based deploy support | 17:08 |
| devananda | I think ya'll were working with lucas on that -- so if/when that lands, let's make sure to let #tripleo folks know | 17:08 |
| jroll | devananda: that's almost done afaik, lucas has been working on it | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | which lucas has been working on | 17:08 |
| jroll | that's part of the switch to IPA | 17:08 |
| jroll | ok | 17:08 |
| devananda | yea | 17:09 |
| jroll | we aren't switching without that, so it's not really a blocker | 17:09 |
| devananda | i mean that is what blocked tripleo from switching | 17:09 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:09 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155727/ | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, we've assigned everything to you, thanks | 17:10 |
| jroll | iscsi/ipa review ^ | 17:10 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ohhai! I was just talking about adding iSCSI support to IPA | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: how is the iscsi support for IPa going? | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | sorry I'm late, was looking into a problem here | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, devananda jroll so it works :) but we need to bump the memory on gate | 17:10 |
| jroll | ya | 17:10 |
| * jroll reviews | 17:10 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ah right. in the tempest serial job | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: what do we need to bump to | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | there's only on problem, as we are using the same PXE config file for both IPA and normal ramdisk | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | I had to remove the rootfstype=ramfs from the PXE | 17:11 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: that puts us in a pickle -- we'll have to have support for DIB for the tempest parallel job, then | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | but that makes it use tempfs and the default ramdisk will need more ram too :( | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah, I was thinking about passing that option to the parallel job | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | as append_pxe_config_option | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | and document that the it can be done for the bash ramdisk | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, and run the parallel job with the bash ramdisk | 17:12 |
| jroll | seems reasonable to me | 17:12 |
| naohirot | I'd like to know core team's status of iRMC review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146803/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134865/ | 17:12 |
| devananda | still bothers me that we don't have a means to drop support for the bash ramdisk if we keep the parallel job | 17:13 |
| devananda | but let's do it, because we already test both, and this is still better | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah :/ I don't have a solution for that, it have to go to infra | 17:13 |
| devananda | BadCub_: can you add naohirot's links there to the hey-lets-get-some-reviews list? | 17:13 |
| wanyen | is there any plan to add ubuntu support for ipa dib element | 17:13 |
| jroll | wanyen: I believe (but may be wrong) that the goal is to drop DIB | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, not from me, but IPA is just a service like any other. It could be added | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I'm not assuming that, not yet at least | 17:14 |
| naohirot | devananda: both updated more than 20 times each and there is no issue to be discussed remained. | 17:14 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: maybe that's just my goal :) | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, heh yeah, I mean, the tool that builds the ramdisk is at the end not very relevant for us | 17:14 |
| devananda | jroll: we're not necessarily dropping DIB itself - just its init-style ramdisk | 17:14 |
| jroll | right, right | 17:15 |
| devananda | jroll: there are still folks who care about DIB as a tool | 17:15 |
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| devananda | and folks care about using iSCSi as a deploy mechanism. | 17:15 |
| jroll | right, ok | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, lol just read ur message now. Oh noes everything is too much :) | 17:15 |
| * jroll digresses | 17:15 | |
| lucasagomes | devananda, just a point here | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | we still using ISCSI with IPA | 17:16 |
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| lucasagomes | I think that's important because that's the only way to deploy without using swift | 17:16 |
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| lucasagomes | so it should continue | 17:16 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yes | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | IMHO | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | yes | 17:16 |
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| jroll | totally agree | 17:17 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: oh, we are definitley NOT removing the iscsi-based deploy mechanism | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | cool :) just making sure | 17:17 |
| devananda | if i wasn't clear, I'll restate | 17:17 |
| devananda | we need the iSCSI-based deploy as one option, and the fetch-from-swift as another | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:17 |
| devananda | there are users/operators who want to use coreos to build the ramdisk, and others who want to use DIB | 17:18 |
| Nisha | NobodyCam, devananda so if any changes required in DIB for any ironic features they will be considered/supported? | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | so yeah, I have to rebase the patchs in Ironic for IPA. It's now failing gate due the memory problem I pointed | 17:18 |
| devananda | we should allow both to continue | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | but should be good. We need this merged: /me getting the link | 17:18 |
| devananda | however - the particular "init" style ramdisk which is built by diskimage-builder/ramdisk-image-create -- no one has any particular feelings for that _tool_ | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158251/ | 17:18 |
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| devananda | Nisha: that's very vague. can you be more specific? | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | BadCub_: please add lucasagomes' link to the list too :) | 17:19 |
| BadCub_ | NobodyCam will do! | 17:20 |
| Nisha | devananda, like for secure boot it requires changes in DIB to build signed iso and images | 17:20 |
| stendulker | devananda: There are DIB changes required to iso element in DIB to support secure boot. Would that be upported? | 17:20 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ack, ty. I'll look later. would also like to get adam_g to weigh in on that | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, cool yeah I've added u and adam_g to the reviewer list | 17:20 |
| jroll | this is going fairly off-topic, but as a note, if we can figure out a good way to pass an authenticated glance URL to the agent, we could consider dropping iscsi deploys (not sure what other implications there may be) | 17:20 |
| devananda | Nisha: signed instance image? or signed deploy image? | 17:20 |
| devananda | jroll: nope. we need to keep iscsi-based deploys. | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, keystone v3 trusts | 17:21 |
| Nisha | signed deploy iso | 17:21 |
| stendulker | devananda: Signed instance images | 17:21 |
| devananda | jroll: that's waaay off topic, btw | 17:21 |
| devananda | Nisha: stendulker: which is it? :) | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, but also we are making glance optional by only requiring a http url | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | so that would do that too | 17:21 |
| jroll | devananda: I know it's off topic, let's talk later; just thinking out loud | 17:21 |
| stendulker | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153987/ | 17:21 |
| devananda | Nisha: stendulker: also I did not say anything about dropping DIB support, so I dont understand why you're both asking this | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | let's not go too off-topic, we're still in subteam reports | 17:22 |
| devananda | yea ... | 17:22 |
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| devananda | and we're over our 10 minute cap for that | 17:22 |
| devananda | also, it didn't seem like we actually had any subteam reports. *shrug* | 17:22 |
| stendulker | devananda: We felt its support getting dropped... my mistake. | 17:22 |
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| devananda | #topic K3 priorities | 17:23 |
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| devananda | who put this on the agenda? there's no name or link ... | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | oh sorry that was me | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | just before the meeting | 17:23 |
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| devananda | I mean, we should talk about it, but I wasn't prepared | 17:23 |
| wanyen | deva, I addded iLO driver status | 17:23 |
| jroll | it was last minute | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | nor I | 17:23 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: oh you ninja'd it :p | 17:23 |
| jroll | we can punt on it | 17:23 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:24 |
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| NobodyCam | I would like to take about open spec reviews | 17:24 |
| devananda | #topic chassis discovery tool | 17:24 |
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| rloo | I wanted to know if there were any specs that were K3 priorities, to get approved before the deadline | 17:24 |
| jroll | I just think from now til end of cycle we should cover priorities and see where we're at | 17:24 |
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| devananda | let's honor the meeting format | 17:24 |
| devananda | and get to K3 priorities at the end | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | lol we can come back to that in OD | 17:24 |
| devananda | sandhya: hi! | 17:24 |
| sandhya | hi devananda... | 17:24 |
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| devananda | sandhya: do you have a summary prepared? | 17:25 |
| devananda | sandhya: if not, I can try to type fast | 17:25 |
| sandhya | I added the chassis discovery tool blueprint discussion to | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134866/ | 17:25 |
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| sandhya | The blueprint started with a plan initially. And then certain complexities came forth and we decided to do it as a tool | 17:26 |
| devananda | I like the tool approach | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | ... in it's own repo | 17:26 |
| devananda | but I think we need a separate directory for vendor contributed tools | 17:26 |
| devananda | dtantsur: actually, no | 17:27 |
| lazy_prince | so separate dir or repo..? | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | I think I'm fine with any, but we need to extend the test support to tools/ | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | we can't run unittests on that dir in the moment | 17:27 |
| devananda | from a packager's perspective, it's going to be awkward if all the tools are in one (or more) separate projects | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | we need some plumbing | 17:27 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right. and tools/* is currently for our project mgmt tooling | 17:27 |
| devananda | like building config files and such | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | from a packager perspective we need a proper CLI installed by setup.py | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | yes | 17:27 |
| devananda | i'd rather put it in contrib/ | 17:27 |
| devananda | which we dn't have | 17:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: yup | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I'm not sure we can test all of these types of tools | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | we could do unittest | 17:28 |
| sandhya | So we create a ironic/contrib dir | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, maybe adding a new dir which we could run unittests agains the scripts in the new dir | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | that would be fine | 17:28 |
| devananda | dtantsur: except not everyone will want them | 17:28 |
| lazy_prince | so shall we create it and try pushing our patch there..? | 17:28 |
| jroll | I'm skeptical that we want user-contributed scripts packaged in distros, idk | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | devananda, we won't for example | 17:28 |
| devananda | dtantsur: and upstream doesn't claim the're supported or tested -- because, frankly, we can't | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I see, maybe not all. But, the chassis one is a python script right? | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, we should have some test for it | 17:28 |
| jroll | let's be concrete and think about what other tools might end up in there... deployment tools? management tools? etc | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | devananda, why are we adding it then? what prevents us from having it separately? | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yes but requires hardware to support it | 17:29 |
| devananda | dtantsur: for non-default, not-everyone-wants-them pyhton scripts, what's wrong with contrib/* and NOT having them installed on the system? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, not for unittests | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | and not putting even more reviews of unknown stuff on folks? | 17:29 |
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| devananda | jroll: tools for chassis discovery of different kinds of hardware | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ very true! | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | devananda, we have to review thing we don't understand and don't care about | 17:29 |
| devananda | jroll: tools for automating some operations that aren't part of our standard | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | (we = some subset of core team) | 17:30 |
| jroll | right, ok. | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: well. nothing prevents anyone from putting up a separate repo with their tooling in it today | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | devananda, that's what I did for ironic-discoverd, and that's why I feel strange now | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: for some reason, sandhya &co want it to be in the main repo. propbably because they think it'll be easier for users to find it that way | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, people read stackforge like "experimental, unsupported and not Official OpenStack (tm)" | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | I am in favor of a contrib type folder, if for nothing more that they make great examples of how people are using ironic | 17:31 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I know ... and I want to move discoverd off of stackforge as soon as reasonably possible | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | devananda, but I believe if we bring it under openstack/ namespace and mention it in docs, people will easily discover them | 17:31 |
| rloo | devananda: do you think that anything that goes in the proposed /contrib need to be reviewed like the rest of the ironic code? | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | thou I do agree that unit tests should be enabled | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'm ready at any moment (and I wanted to talk to you about it) | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:32 |
| devananda | dtantsur: the difference being discoverd should be official, supported, tested in the gate, and is widely applicable | 17:32 |
| devananda | dtantsur: this, on the other hand, is a vendor-contributed tool for a very narrow set of users | 17:32 |
| devananda | and not testable i nthe gate | 17:32 |
| jroll | it makes me sad that people won't use things just because it's in stackforge :( | 17:32 |
| devananda | (aside from unit tests) | 17:32 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ me too | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I have problems even here at RH :( | 17:33 |
| jroll | ugh | 17:33 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's really sad :( | 17:33 |
| devananda | dtantsur: fwiw, I'm constantly telling people about discoverd | 17:33 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, it's def a big misconception about it | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | oh thanks | 17:33 |
| lazy_prince | if unittests are the only concerns, we can put that as part of the patch being proposed too..We can add unittests as well for the tool... | 17:33 |
| sandhya | Yes. Unit tests will be enabled. A fake discovery driver that can be plugged in for the tool to run. | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | So contrib/XXXXX/some_file.py Should there be an XXXXXX and if so, would need a naming convention. | 17:33 |
| jroll | random thought: would this fit into discoverd? | 17:34 |
| * jroll ducks | 17:34 | |
| dtantsur | contrib/ sounds a tiny bit better, though I still won't feel easy approving changes | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | jlvillal: are you thinking XXXXX is per vendor? | 17:34 |
| lazy_prince | jlvillal: so you mean a spec for the naming convention.. | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, I don't have vendor drivers there for now :) | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | NobodyCam: That was my first thought. But not sure. | 17:34 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: let's *not* put vendor names in our repo :/ | 17:35 |
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| jroll | I never want "rackspace" to show up in the ironic tree | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | that what I was thinking | 17:35 |
| * 43UABVQBF wonders why do we have chassis concept in Ironic | 17:35 | |
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| dtantsur | good question arrived ^^^ | 17:35 |
| devananda | heh yea | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | 43UABVQBF, to group nodes, but yeah we are not actually using it very well yet | 17:35 |
| devananda | I've been suggesting we remove it for >6mo | 17:35 |
| jroll | I've heard it's useful for blades as well | 17:35 |
| 43UABVQBF | lucasagomes: it was me | 17:35 |
| jroll | I'd be fine with removing it | 17:35 |
| devananda | 43UABVQBF: who's you? | 17:36 |
| 43UABVQBF | oh it's me rameshg87. for some reason name is not coming | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:36 |
| jroll | heh | 17:36 |
| devananda | heh | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | wow | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | ahh | 17:36 |
| devananda | hi ramesh :) | 17:36 |
| 43UABVQBF | hello devananda :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | so, I'd _love_ to remove chassis entirely from ironic | 17:36 |
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| devananda | however we need to provide some mechanism to group nodes | 17:36 |
| devananda | and no one's done that work yet | 17:36 |
| jroll | ... do we? why? | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | yeah why? I mean I would rather extend it's use | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | what about having tags? | 17:37 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:37 |
| devananda | we're also now pretty far off topic | 17:37 |
| jroll | node.extra works well for us to do things like "which rack is this in" | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah | 17:37 |
| devananda | so back to topic | 17:37 |
| devananda | I'll summarize | 17:37 |
| devananda | - we have the concept of chassis in tree today, but aren't actually using it anywhere | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | this tool can / will make use of this concept | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | people will beat me up now, but can we bump it to L? with the decision of whether we're dropping chassis or not... | 17:38 |
| devananda | what NobodyCam said :) | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | I like the idea of a contrib folder | 17:38 |
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| devananda | - we don't have a designated place for vendors, or anyone else ,to contribute "useful" tools | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | The concern I do have is ATC statuc for it | 17:39 |
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| devananda | (for some definition of useful that is not clear) | 17:39 |
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| NobodyCam | I would like to exclude atc status for that folder.. .if such could be done | 17:39 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: interesting. so if we put it in a repo on stackforge, AND said that repo is part of ironic, the net effect is the same | 17:39 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: nope. can't be done | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | ahh | 17:39 |
| jroll | do we actually care about atc status things? :| | 17:40 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: th eonly way to do that is to push it to stackforge and NOT say it is part of hte ironic project | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | my concern is review throughput | 17:40 |
| devananda | jroll: I do. but I also think this _should_ grant ATC status. | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | which would MORE harmfull imho | 17:40 |
| rloo | ++ with dtantsur | 17:40 |
| jroll | huh, ok | 17:40 |
| devananda | this is clearly coming from a team of people who use and contribute regularly to ironic | 17:40 |
| * naohirot what is ATC? | 17:40 | |
| dtantsur | I'm afraid of getting more and more reviews of stuff I don't remotely understand... | 17:40 |
| devananda | why on earth would we want to exclude that from ATC? | 17:40 |
| devananda | naohirot: active technical contributor. it means you have voting rights in elections and a free pass t othe design summit | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | naohirot, active technical contributor | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 17:41 |
| naohirot | thanks :) | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ahhh. so we need to trust driver authors to know their own code | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: and driver authors need to start ponying up third-party CI | 17:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if the core team doesn't trust driver authors, we have huge problems as a community | 17:42 |
| rloo | devananda: so if we trust driver authors to know their own code, there isn't any need to review their patches? | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | devananda, if we don't really review it, what's the use of having in-tree? | 17:42 |
| devananda | dtantsur: also we're absolutely going to get more drivers being contributed for hardware that none of us remotely understand | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, we still have to review it for code styles etc | 17:42 |
| devananda | like Cray supercomputers | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | devananda, drivers are necessary evil IMO | 17:42 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: that's a job for computers :/ | 17:42 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: they're not evil. they are the reason I'm working on this | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, we can add a lot of hacking rules :D | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | my understanding is that reviews for this folder would have a less strick review criteria | 17:43 |
| rameshg87_ | vendors can abstract most of their hardware related stuff in their own module and leave little to ironic | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, we still have to look at the code, idk, I don't wanna blind merge it. I want to see if there's something malicious | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | rameshg87_, ++ | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | or a dependncy on a non f/oss tool | 17:43 |
| sandhya | The tool will be generic. I can probably push the code for it. It will have a base discovery class that can be implemented by drivers. | 17:43 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right | 17:44 |
| jroll | whoa | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | sandhya, which drivers? I don't see real opportunity for now (maybe FUJITSU?) | 17:44 |
| devananda | sandhya: eh? | 17:44 |
| jroll | now we're talking about a contrib plugin framework? | 17:44 |
| jroll | whoaaa. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | no frameworks please | 17:44 |
| * devananda is in the whooooaa boat with jroll | 17:44 | |
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| dtantsur | if we're going to have plugins for contrib tools, we'd go insane soon | 17:44 |
| jroll | this screams separate repo to me at this point | 17:45 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah for a generic thing | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | either driver vendor passthru | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | since it already abstract it per driver | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | if we're talking about a generic mechanism, let's introduce an API in L cycle (or vendor passthru now) | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | or a separated repo | 17:45 |
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| devananda | sandhya: if you're going to make it general enough to have a plugin framework for additional drivers, it's really much more than I had thought | 17:45 |
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| NobodyCam | wait is this a simple tool or a framwork. | 17:45 |
| devananda | I need to time box this discussion | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, driver vendor passthru? It's already kinda like a abstraction for driver specific code | 17:46 |
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| lazy_prince | its a framework.. | 17:46 |
| devananda | since we have 15 minutes left and two more large topics | 17:46 |
| * dtantsur votes for vendor passthru | 17:46 | |
| lucasagomes | ok move on then | 17:46 |
| * jroll votes for voting on gerrit | 17:46 | |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: devananda: ++ move on and come back | 17:46 |
| devananda | #action devananda to re-review the chassis discovery tool code in depth | 17:46 |
| sandhya | Yes, it is a generic framework. I will push the code... | 17:46 |
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| devananda | sandhya: thanks. I'll take a look today | 17:46 |
| lazy_prince | will vendor passthrough let mw enroll a new server in ironic.. if so, we will look into it and come-back... | 17:47 |
| devananda | #topic passing capabilities from nova to ironic | 17:47 |
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| rameshg87_ | i am here | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | this is regarding how capabilities can be passed to Ironic with the current changes in nova that got recently merged | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | i know this has been discussed many times in last week, and hardware/driver capabilities will be attempted in a better way in L release | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | this is just a proposal on how it can be done for kilo with the nova patch that got merged with minimal/no changes | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | i have put up a small spec for it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158243/ | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | we may ask deployers to configure and use the capabilities in the way mentioned in the spec for K release | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | all please have a look at spec | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158243 | 17:47 |
| rameshg87_ | mainly wanted to bring out this much. ready to take more questions :) | 17:47 |
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| devananda | rameshg87_: iiuc, we had originally approved a spec whereby nova would pass only a small set of rules to ironic, but then the code which landed in nova passes EVERYTHING down | 17:48 |
| devananda | rameshg87_: so now ironic has to take on the responsibility of parsing that | 17:48 |
| devananda | rameshg87_: is that correct? | 17:48 |
| rameshg87_ | devananda: yeah. | 17:48 |
| rloo | wondering why this spec isn't a developer doc | 17:48 |
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| Nisha | devananda, yes | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87_: do you have the link to the nova spec that landed | 17:48 |
| rameshg87_ | devananda: but in my opinion ironic doesn't need to actually care about parsing everything | 17:48 |
| devananda | rameshg87_: ok, i see | 17:48 |
| rameshg87_ | NobodyCam: it's within the ironic spec | 17:48 |
| rameshg87_ | devananda: i have put out my reasons in the spec. | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 17:49 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141012/ | 17:49 |
| devananda | that's the nova code which landed | 17:49 |
| rameshg87_ | devananda: it is more of an agreement from ironic on how they can make use of capabilities for scheduling with the changing in K release | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | thank you devananda :) | 17:49 |
| devananda | rameshg87_: great, thanks for bringing it up! | 17:49 |
| jroll | rloo: I think turning this into a dev doc might be the goal | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | *10 minutes* | 17:50 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 17:50 |
| rameshg87_ | yeah, i would contents of this spec will land into docs | 17:50 |
| devananda | #topic K3 priorities | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "K3 priorities (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:50 | |
| devananda | first off, I know that LP doesn't match the list of approved specs | 17:50 |
| devananda | BadCub_ and I will sort that out soon (today I hope) | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | Not to bring it up as a topic now. but I would folks to think about maybe moving the FF deadline up next cycle | 17:51 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yea... I agree | 17:51 |
| devananda | I'll bring that up with ttx at the summit (and he'll probably see the ping here too) | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:51 |
| devananda | as a suggestion for the general timeline | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | proposal freeze or feature freeze? | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | (I would like the former to be moved) | 17:52 |
| BadCub_ | devananda that sounds good | 17:52 |
| rloo | if the latter is moved, the former should probably be too | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: maybe both. but I see PF for sure | 17:52 |
| devananda | proposal freeze definitely should be sooner, like K2 | 17:52 |
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| devananda | so a question for everyone | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 17:52 |
| devananda | last cycle, I used a google spreadsheet towards the end of the cycle | 17:53 |
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| devananda | to coordinate what we were reviewing | 17:53 |
| devananda | how'd that work? should I do that again? | 17:53 |
| jroll | my two cents: code freezes make me sad | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit#gid=1604970109 | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ it worked for me... | 17:53 |
| devananda | jroll: coordinated release makes me sad | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | worked for me too | 17:53 |
| jroll | devananda: ++ | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ | 17:54 |
| jroll | also, yeah, I seem to remember that doc being helpful | 17:54 |
| devananda | jroll: what if services were released like clients -- when ever we want? | 17:54 |
| jroll | devananda: then things would be more sane, and also infra would ragequit | 17:54 |
| jroll | :P | 17:54 |
| devananda | ok - so BadCub_ and I will work on updating the spreadsheet | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | heh | 17:54 |
| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo | 17:54 |
| devananda | jroll: actually infra doesn't care | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll: sorry - they do care. I think they would love it | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | % minutes | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | 5 even | 17:55 |
| devananda | it's downstream distros that want coordinated releases | 17:55 |
| jroll | devananda: twas a joke, I think the move would be difficult but after that things would be better | 17:55 |
| devananda | but in a big tent, it's probably going to go away, or at least become a lot fuzzier ... | 17:55 |
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| * jroll jumps for joy | 17:56 | |
| devananda | jroll: so fwiw, the TC has already laid out a framework for more projects to release the way swift does (when ever they want) | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | nice | 17:56 |
| jroll | o.o link? | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | oh | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | wow | 17:56 |
| jroll | and going back on topic... let's get that spreadsheet updated and go from there | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:57 |
| naohirot | ++ | 17:57 |
| jroll | nice ++ train :D | 17:57 |
| rloo | ++++ | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | can we # agree on it | 17:58 |
| wanyen | deva, can you consider raising secure boot fromlow priority to medium? It's an ilo driver top priority item. | 17:58 |
| devananda | #agree we will again be using a google doc for coordinating review priorities for the rest of this cycle | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:58 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:58 | |
| dtantsur | 1 minute of OD :) | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:59 |
| * jroll thinks everybody here is doing awesome work. please discuss. | 17:59 | |
| dtantsur | jroll ++ | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: /me seconds that thought | 17:59 |
| * devananda throws a puppy at jroll | 17:59 | |
| jroll | nothing else we're going to agree on in 60 seconds :P | 17:59 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:59 |
| rloo | discuss on openstack-dev email | 17:59 |
| * jroll cuddles said puppy | 17:59 | |
| * BadCub_ is happy to be officially part of the gang :-) | 18:00 | |
| rloo | oh there was that *ED states thingy. | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | ahh a puppy | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | too late | 18:00 |
| devananda | rloo: nice timing | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | :D | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | lol Thank you everyone | 18:00 |
| rloo | :D | 18:00 |
| jlvillal | rloo: You convinced me on the *ED state thingy :) | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! keep up the good work - I know it's challenging for everyone | 18:00 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 23 18:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-23-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-23-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-02-23-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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