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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 26 16:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| yolanda | hi | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | No actions from last week. | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: StoryBoard Validation is broken | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items: StoryBoard Validation is broken (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:01 | |
| yolanda | so that's due to the validation that was merged | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | So from what I gather, the client is sending data that the app is not passing, yes? | 16:01 |
| yolanda | i proposed a revert here | 16:01 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/150035 | 16:01 |
| yolanda | well, not really that | 16:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:01 |
| yolanda | the backend is passing that data, it automatically passes date_created, date_updated... | 16:02 |
| yolanda | but then it doesn't accept them on the response | 16:02 |
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| krotscheck | Right. And the client doesn’t make assumptions about the data format it gets, it just sends whatever it receives right back. | 16:02 |
| yolanda | yep | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Was that a clean revert? As in, no conflicts? | 16:03 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, yes, tests passing and looks fine, no conflict | 16:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: The revert is not merged yet | 16:03 |
| yolanda | needs to be approved | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but I think we can do that right now | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Is Aleksey here? | 16:04 |
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| yolanda | don't see him on the channel | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | What’s his handle? I keep forgetting | 16:05 |
| yolanda | there are 2 points here: the date_created, date_updated, creator_id extra fields sent even from the backend. And we also don't send data properly,as we don't have to send the "id" field on the payload, but on the url, on posts | 16:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it should be aripinen | 16:05 |
| * NikitaKonovalov looking around to find him | 16:05 | |
| krotscheck | +2 | 16:05 |
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| ttx | +1/apprved | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | k | 16:06 |
| ttx | +2 I mean | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Cool, it should have recovered by the end of the meeting, we’ll keep an eye on it | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | Anything else that needs to be done right now before we move on? | 16:06 |
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| yolanda | validation was crashing as well, not sure if related to this as well | 16:06 |
| yolanda | errors about dupes, minimum length, etc... | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | Fun | 16:07 |
| yolanda | this was showing the error on the xhr call but nothing shown on the client | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Happy monday, everyone :) | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | That usually indicates a catastrophic error on the server that causes a truncation of the response. | 16:07 |
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| krotscheck | i.e. it never gets CORS headers because everything blew up. | 16:07 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, i saw the response correctly sent by server, a json response telling "xxx is to short", or something like that | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Alright, I’ll spend today trying to get things stable again, and see where the two aren’t talking to one another. | 16:08 |
| yolanda | but client wasn't showing that | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | hun | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | hun | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | huhn | 16:08 |
| yolanda | but if we revert the json schema thing, it can be related | 16:08 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Get Storyboard back to a happy place. | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so that just erged, we should see it going in in about 10 minutes or so | 16:09 |
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| krotscheck | Let’s be patient and move on. | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | #topic urgent: Auth Tokens validate on truncated tokens | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "urgent: Auth Tokens validate on truncated tokens (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:09 | |
| krotscheck | rcarillocruz was working on that, I seem to recall that it merged. | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've done the fix | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so now it should work fine | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Urgent Items: Working Directory Cron Fail | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | So this took down storyboard last monday, which required another revert. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | I’ve since revisited the issue and altered my approach to generating a working directory space. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | So that the cron system won’t even start up if it doesn’t have one. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | Patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149454/ | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | And appears to have +4 | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | So we’ll rebase and go from there. | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:11 |
| yolanda | project groups was broken as well | 16:11 |
| yolanda | i did a fix | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | patch? | 16:11 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/150027 | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | Looks good. | 16:12 |
| * NikitaKonovalov needs to check that | 16:12 | |
| krotscheck | GImme a sec, going to update the agenda with all the urgent items. | 16:13 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Urgent: Why All The Explosions | 16:14 |
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| yolanda | nice topic :) | 16:14 |
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| yolanda | i miss an integration test here | 16:15 |
| yolanda | something to check how changes in the backend afect to the client, and test if all together work | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | Ok, server was down twice in two weeks. I don’t feel we need to take drastic action here, but what’s missing going forward? | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: I guess it's because running SB locally and in production is a bit different | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the cron failed due to permissions | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: True. That was definitely the case for working directory. | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we could not predict it locally | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: But even then I could have taken a different approach that made things not take down the rest of the server. | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: The validation thing though seems like something we could have done testing for. | 16:16 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, problem i see is that we do tests for the features in backend and for the ones in frontend | 16:16 |
| yolanda | but nothing together | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | Right, no gating. | 16:16 |
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| krotscheck | And the integration tests in the frontend don’t really exist. | 16:17 |
| yolanda | but even if we do tests in the frontend, we are doing that against the master branch | 16:17 |
| yolanda | of the backend | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | The client gates on the backend. The backend does not gate on the client :/ | 16:17 |
| yolanda | a common integration tests run for each feature in the frontend and backend will make sense | 16:18 |
| jeblair | if you can come up with an integration tests that uses both, i'd be happy to set up the job to correctly do the zuul git checkouts so that things are tested together in the gate | 16:18 |
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| yolanda | i can take a look at it this week, what do you think that could be a good approach? | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: We _sortof_ already have it. That’ll take more work. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | the client currently installs the backend to run integration tests against it, but that’s only against master. | 16:19 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: which job is that? | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: gate-storyboard-webclient-js-test-integration I think | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | It’s been a year since I et that up though | 16:20 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda: Want to take that on? Gating our components against each other is going to become important. | 16:21 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: okay, so probably we just need that job to checkout the zuul refs of both projects then run on changes to both projects; sound right? | 16:21 |
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| yolanda | krotscheck, jeblair, i'm happy to doit | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Yep. Right now we use pip though I think. I don’t think it’ll be that simple. | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Awesome | 16:22 |
| mrmartin | re | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | #action yolanda Figure out how to have our projects gate on each other. | 16:22 |
| jeblair | krotscheck, yolanda: yeah, there's a thing called zuul-cloner that does what needs to be done for git trees | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Wait, so it can clone the gatekeeper and the keymaster? | 16:22 |
| jeblair | you do need both | 16:22 |
| mrmartin | guys, what you think about using a storyboard-dev, and do frequent releases to prod only if everything seems to be stable ? | 16:23 |
| yolanda | jeblair, i saw that on the zuul code but never used, sounds like a handy tool | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: We’re working on that, actually. The puppet module needs to not default to https, and then we can push it. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: Want to take a stab at that? | 16:23 |
| mrmartin | we did something similar for groups portal | 16:24 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: you intend to stop deploying production cd? | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Eventually. Not yet. | 16:24 |
| mrmartin | the other side, that you really need to do client - server integration test :) | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Right now we want storyboard-dev so the draft client doesn’t present a security hole. | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Moving from there to adding versioning seems a sane next step, and then we can talk about To-CD-Or-Not-To-CD | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: Yes. That | 16:26 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: yes, we should talk about it. i would like to continue doing cd. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | Ok, we’re going off into the weeds right now. The big thing the recent downtimes have revealed is a need to test the client against the api. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I would too. But I acknowledge that some people get scared when versions update. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | And yolanda has taken responsibility for that, so unless there’s another urgent item, let’s move on. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:27 |
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| yolanda | we had enough :) | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | Alllrightey | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | ANything new other than “It’s broken"? | 16:28 |
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| mrmartin | I'm trying to use storyboard, and my largest pain point are the missing email notifications. | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | Ok, looks like StoryBoard is healthy again, I was just able to create a story: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000131 | 16:31 |
| mrmartin | but I know it is coming :) | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: I’ll talk about that in ongoing work :) | 16:31 |
| yolanda | ah krotscheck, we did a fix to create stories before the revert | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | I have a user feedback: There are two yolanda robla’s in storyboard :) | 16:31 |
| yolanda | oh yes | 16:31 |
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| krotscheck | I wonder how that would work if there’s more than one john smith | 16:32 |
| mrmartin | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/58 | 16:32 |
| mrmartin | this page is listing stories not related to project groups | 16:32 |
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| krotscheck | mrmartin: Right, we know about that one. | 16:33 |
| * krotscheck feels sheeping about not fixing all the client issues :/ | 16:34 | |
| krotscheck | *sheepish | 16:34 |
| * krotscheck also wants to write javascript again. It’s been so long! | 16:34 | |
| ttx | krotscheck: I know that feeling. not. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so story for my issue: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000132 | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | STory for mrmartin: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000043 | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | Anything else? | 16:35 |
| mrmartin | and a UX one: when I select a story from group, what is the proper way to navigate back to stories page? | 16:35 |
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| mrmartin | so | 16:35 |
| mrmartin | again | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: Back arrow? | 16:36 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: gerrit includes email addresses in mouseover text for user links to help disambiguate. (to whatever degree that helps) | 16:36 |
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| mrmartin | When I select a story from a project, how can I navigate back to the project page agian. | 16:36 |
| mrmartin | yeap, back arrow can be an option. don't you plan to implement some breadcrumbs? | 16:36 |
| yolanda | ah, jeblair , i just added the same comment | 16:36 |
| yolanda | in my case i think it's same user but different openids | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: Breadcrumbs are a difficult question when you navigate to a story that can have N>1 projects it’s associated with. | 16:37 |
| mrmartin | krotscheck: ok, so now when I click on a project link of a task, it displays the inline editor | 16:38 |
| yolanda | ah, that's a thing that needed to be solved | 16:39 |
| mrmartin | I think we want to navigate more often, than edit the project assigned to a task | 16:39 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, mrmartin, we talked about it on prev meetings right? | 16:39 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: i think there may be a story for that... | 16:39 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yes, i think we did | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:39 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 16:39 |
| jeblair | lemme see if i can find it | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | jeblair filed a story. | 16:40 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: there's no "stories i filed" page is there? :) | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Nope. User feedback? :) | 16:40 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: will file a story ;) | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | :D | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Sounds like we have our work cut out for us this week :) | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topics. | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone have something big they want to bring up? | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | (Agenda is empty) | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, weekly update time! | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | #topic Streaming API | 16:44 |
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| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz isn’t here, moving on. | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Neither is jedimike | 16:44 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000095 | 16:44 |
| yolanda | let me ping them | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing work (NikitaKonovalov) | 16:44 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: also related https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/179 | 16:44 |
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| mrmartin | jeblair: thanks. | 16:45 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Ok | 16:45 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've finally solved a routing issue for tasks | 16:45 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | which now allows a client to do something like story.tasks.list() | 16:45 |
| jedimike | o/ | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Nice! | 16:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and get the correct result | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | I really like how that’s coming together. | 16:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150052/ this one is for the backednd | 16:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and this is the client https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150067/ | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | Hrmmmm..... | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | That would break the search API | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | And the criteria listing. | 16:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | sohuld not because /tasks still works | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | Ahhh, gotcha | 16:47 |
| NikitaKonovalov | next steps for me adding comments, timeline to stories in client | 16:48 |
| NikitaKonovalov | then subscriptions | 16:48 |
| NikitaKonovalov | once that is complete I'll switch to CLI | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (jedimike) | 16:49 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | And I guess tags are pretty close to getting merged | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | Oops, sorry. | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | Accidentally hit return | 16:49 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that' s all the update actually | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (NikitaKonovalov0 | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, ok | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (jedimike) | 16:50 |
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| krotscheck | Hey there! How’s life? | 16:50 |
| jedimike | I haven't had any time to work on anything but getting our pypimirror and CI working properly again, and I'm back on support again this week, so chances of getting anything done are minimal :( | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | Alright then, moving on. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (yolanda) | 16:51 |
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| yolanda | this is pending from discussion | 16:51 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/137798 | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | Right! | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | I keep trying to review that. | 16:52 |
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| krotscheck | What usually happens is I look at it and think: There has _got_ to be a better way to do this, and hten I lose myself in research. | 16:52 |
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| yolanda | i feel i miss a bit on the promises, but i didn't find a better way to do it with the current backend | 16:53 |
| yolanda | maybe if we had some backend that returns logged user details and prefs together? | 16:53 |
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| krotscheck | The current user could return a hash of preferences maybe? | 16:54 |
| * krotscheck isn’t certain he likes that idea. | 16:54 | |
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| yolanda | a hash? | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | user: {id: foo, preferences: { one: two, three: four}} | 16:54 |
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| krotscheck | Hash. Java terminology. A dict. | 16:54 |
| yolanda | i was thinking in md5 :) | 16:54 |
| yolanda | yes, i meant that | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | How do others feel about this? | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | I guess no real opinions. | 16:56 |
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| mrmartin | +1 for hash | 16:57 |
| mrmartin | Hash | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Even so, you run into the issue that the preferences may age out, and you need preferences INSIDE the services API to get the page limit. | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | And that’s where most caching usually falls down, because we don’t really want to trigger two API calls for every call | 16:57 |
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| mrmartin | add a cache TTL | 16:57 |
| yolanda | the way i was doing now is using angular cache, and if i had no cache, i queried again for prefs | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | mrmartin: We have one. | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: We’ve already got a TTL baked into the angular caching layer, it should be transparent to $resource | 16:58 |
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| mrmartin | do we have a cache invalidate http header in the backend response? | 16:59 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, i found the problem in testing, if i had some javascript error on the client for some reason, cache was lost | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | yolanda: Interesting. | 16:59 |
| mrmartin | if the user prefs are changed, you can notifiy the client to refetch the user prefs. | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | We’re running out of time. | 16:59 |
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| yolanda | mrmartin , and i was manually updating prefs if there was some change, i mean, i was manually updating the user prefs object | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Ok, we’ll pick up with pref caching next week. | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 26 17:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-26-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-26-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-26-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you krotscheck | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | who's here for the Ironic meeting | 17:01 |
| trown | o/ | 17:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
| stelfer | hello o/ | 17:01 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| romcheg | o/ | 17:01 |
| naohirot | o/ | 17:01 |
| clif_h | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | :) devananda may be just a couple of minutes late logging in | 17:01 |
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| lucasagomes | :304 | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | ops | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | so | 17:01 |
| mgoddard | hi all | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 26 17:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | status of course can be found on the white board | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:03 |
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| devananda | morning, all | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | morning devananda :) | 17:03 |
| devananda | I'm sort of here (actually in a car right now, but not driving) | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | you are already a chair | 17:03 |
| wanyen | good morning | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | was just about to jump into announcements | 17:04 |
| devananda | carry on then :) | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | #topic announcements: | 17:04 |
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| NobodyCam | Lots of mid cycles and EE comming up | 17:05 |
| devananda | only annoucement from me is about the midcycle sprints -- just that we're having them and such | 17:05 |
| rloo | what is EE? | 17:05 |
| * naohirot EE? | 17:05 | |
| NobodyCam | FF | 17:05 |
| Nisha | FF? | 17:05 |
| devananda | feature freeze | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | :D | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | feature freeze | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 17:06 |
| jroll | lol | 17:06 |
| rloo | feature freeze or feature spec freeze? | 17:06 |
| wanyen | whenis ff? | 17:06 |
| devananda | March 5th is the date when most projects, Ironic included, will stop accepting new features | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | march 5th | 17:06 |
| devananda | it's all up on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 17:06 |
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| devananda | not really an announcement ... | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | however that does not give the coders a whole lot of time to land the code | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | but well cover that in a bit | 17:07 |
| naohirot | NobodyCam: Is march 5th deadline of submitting a new bp? | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | naohirot: yes | 17:07 |
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| devananda | lets move on to the status check | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Status updates | 17:08 |
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| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 17:08 |
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| naohirot | NobodyCam: I think it's very difficult to go through review from Match 5th, right? | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | naohirot: yes | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | any questions on the status | 17:08 |
| naohirot | NobodyCam: Okay | 17:08 |
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| NobodyCam | (As of Mon, 26 Jan 11:45 UTC) Open: 122 (0). 4 new (0), 32 in progress (+1), 1 critical (+1), 16 high (+2) and 6 incomplete | 17:09 |
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| NobodyCam | our bug list is growing | 17:09 |
| devananda | looks like there is progress on both ilo and irmc drivers, but more reviews are still needed | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure all 32 bugs are _actually_ in progress. probably I should start poking people again... | 17:10 |
| rloo | wrt oslo. Doesn't seem like we've gotten anything there. It'd be useful to know 1. what oslo changes could be done, even if they aren't done yet. | 17:10 |
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| devananda | I'd like to also remind folks that, when reviewing code for third-party drivers, we need to trust the authors / maintainers of those drivers | 17:10 |
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| wanyen | yes. pls continue to review ilo specs. | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | did we ever got to have our bug scrub? | 17:10 |
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| devananda | I havent seen any updates from GheRivero on the oslo stuff in a while | 17:11 |
| devananda | and afaik he is not coming to our sprint next week | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | do we know if he'll make the SF meetup? | 17:11 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yah. several folks worked on bugs for a day (I had to miss it, unfortunatey) | 17:11 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: he will not | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, we did :) | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | great I also missed it :( | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | it's worth repeating from time to time anyway :) | 17:12 |
| jroll | devananda: "we need to trust the authors / maintainers of those drivers" what do you mean by this? | 17:12 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: do you want to save that for the review section | 17:12 |
| devananda | i spoke with dhellmann last week briefly about the oslo.objects refactoring. it was/is bocked on something else in oslo, and at this point, doesn't seem like a priority for this cycle for anyone | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | :/ | 17:13 |
| devananda | jroll: let's come back to that in the next section ... | 17:13 |
| jroll | ok | 17:13 |
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| NobodyCam | anything else on staus updates? | 17:13 |
| devananda | not from me | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | if not I'm going to shuffel the oder listed on the agenda, for time. | 17:14 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: do it :) | 17:14 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic IPMI retry timeout value | 17:14 |
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| NobodyCam | trown: that you | 17:14 |
| trown | yep | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:14 |
| trown | so, I picked up this bug as it was marked "low hanging fruit" | 17:15 |
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| trown | the change is pretty trivial, however, I need some help with determining what the "best" value is | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131296/ | 17:15 |
| * jroll is checking... | 17:15 | |
| trown | is there operator opinion/consensus on this? | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it would be good to get an operator opnion on that | 17:16 |
| devananda | I'm not sure that a single default can cover all hardware | 17:16 |
| devananda | as different hardware may have problems at different retry timings | 17:16 |
| devananda | the current default is overly conservative IMO, though | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | could we half it to 30? | 17:17 |
| devananda | 10? | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | right, also maybe as part of that bug we could put a NOTE at the deployer's doc | 17:17 |
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| jroll | we're using 60 at rackspace, it's been fine, though we're also vigilant at tracking down bad BMCs and putting them in maintenance mode | 17:17 |
| devananda | I'd like some input from the tripleo rack as well, as they were the folks who originally filed / fixed that issue | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | to call attention to that option | 17:17 |
| rloo | how would one go about getting operator opinion? wouldn't that be a good first step? | 17:17 |
| trown | "Too low -> we can inadvertantly knock over some (fragile) BMCs and require a hard-reset of the BMC (not the node) to unbrick it. " <--- how low does this happen at? | 17:17 |
| jroll | we also haven't played with different values | 17:17 |
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| devananda | trown: that totally depends on the hardware, unfortunately | 17:18 |
| devananda | trown: I've definitely seen reports of that happening around 5 seconds | 17:19 |
| trown | ah ok | 17:19 |
| devananda | with older HP hardware | 17:19 |
| trown | so 60 is really conservative then | 17:19 |
| devananda | and I believe victor_lowther had pointed out his experiences on some hardware with that, a while back as well | 17:19 |
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| rloo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82668/ changed it from 10 to 60. | 17:20 |
| jroll | fwiw, I'd rather have my power sync loop be slow than brick a bmc | 17:20 |
| devananda | jroll: exactly | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | yes | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | right | 17:20 |
| jroll | watch for slow bmcs and maintenance them as needed | 17:20 |
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| NobodyCam | so how about 30 and if that causes not issues than half it again to 15 | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | so should we mark the bug as invalid? Or would be updating the deployer docs to call more attention to that option a valid "fix" | 17:21 |
| rloo | this is a default value, so every time we change it, we could be breaking backwards compat. | 17:21 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96558/ added the minimum time interval | 17:21 |
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| trown | I like the "update the deployer docs" approach | 17:21 |
| trown | conservative defaults are not a bad thing | 17:22 |
| devananda | in resposne to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1320513 filed by tripleo team | 17:22 |
| jroll | I also like the documentation fix, maybe add more notes on it to the actual config optino as well | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, since there's no best default | 17:22 |
| jroll | right | 17:22 |
| devananda | so 10 and doc changes? | 17:22 |
| devananda | that would work for me | 17:23 |
| jroll | no | 17:23 |
| jroll | I think leave it at 60 | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | I would say leave as-is | 17:23 |
| devananda | ah, ok | 17:23 |
| trown | ya ++ | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | to be conservative, but update the docs | 17:23 |
| devananda | sounds good | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | yea! | 17:23 |
| jroll | fwiw, when we deployed initial production | 17:23 |
| rloo | ++ | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | put a NOTE or even a WARNING there | 17:23 |
| devananda | who's going to do the doc patch? | 17:23 |
| jroll | we didn't notice slow BMCs slowing things down until around 5-600 nodes | 17:23 |
| trown | devananda: I can do the doc patch | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | trown, ? since he's the one assigned to the bug? | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | if he wants | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | ah ok | 17:23 |
| devananda | #agreed keep the current default, but improve documentation | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:24 |
| devananda | #action trown to add or improve documentation around ipmi retry timing options | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | in code (conf file) and wiki right? | 17:24 |
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| NobodyCam | any thing else on timeout | 17:25 |
| trown | NobodyCam: that seems good | 17:25 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Prioritize Spec and code reviews | 17:25 |
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| NobodyCam | oh thats me | 17:25 |
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| NobodyCam | Ok we are approching FF and still have a bunch of specs and code out that needs reviewing | 17:26 |
| JayF | . | 17:26 |
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| NobodyCam | I've seen a trend of our reviews esp. on spec to be getting more and more nit picky | 17:27 |
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| wanyen | specs need to be approved by FF? | 17:27 |
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| * devananda has seen this too | 17:27 | |
| devananda | and we already have many specs approved and blocked on other work | 17:27 |
| NobodyCam | I think we all have trust in each other to be able to do the work we say we will | 17:27 |
| devananda | and code reviews are taking an increasing amount of time, even for essential things (ie, patches that block feature work) | 17:28 |
| JayF | Overall review bandwidth seems to be down over the last month | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | I am suggesting that we lossen the review criteria | 17:28 |
| JayF | if you look at statistics | 17:28 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that's where my comment earlier about trusting driver authors comes in | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, yeah noticed that too | 17:28 |
| jroll | do you notice this more with cores or non-cores or both? | 17:28 |
| devananda | JayF: indeed it is | 17:28 |
| devananda | jroll: both. but cores should be setting the better example | 17:28 |
| rloo | loosen review criteria for both specs and code? | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | both, even I am guilty of this | 17:28 |
| jroll | I'm sure I am too | 17:29 |
| devananda | a few suggestions for us all (myself, too) | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: mainly for specs | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | but code needs to land faster | 17:29 |
| devananda | - for code nits, just add a follow on patch yuorself,a nd +2/+A it if you would other wise +A the original patch | 17:29 |
| devananda | like, if I spot a spelling ereror in a comment string, I will start +2/+A'ing my own patch, just so the original patch author doesn't have to do anothe rrev | 17:30 |
| devananda | (and we dont have to wait for it) | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | I like that Idea | 17:30 |
| wanyen | ++ | 17:30 |
| devananda | - for driver changes, if its from the driver maintainer, and you don't know that hardware, please give them teh benefit of the doubt | 17:30 |
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| wanyen | :) | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | as a little background I started the thread because I was reviewing a spec for a vendor passthru method | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, as you know I don't agree on _this_ particular one | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | If I recall the Vendor passthru is a area where vendors can add functions that they can perform with their hardware that the generic drivers can not do | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: thats why I wanted to chat about | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | it | 17:33 |
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| NobodyCam | all code has to go thru code review | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | vendor passthru is an API, however we call it. that's why I think we should not be too easy about it... | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | so I would expect any glaring coding errors would be cought there | 17:33 |
| * lucasagomes I think I reviewed that spec... looks again | 17:34 | |
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| dtantsur | I though the biggest point of the spec process was to agree on important things like API | 17:34 |
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| NobodyCam | when we came up with teh VP aPI it was to allow vendors to be able to dothere own thing | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | because once published, they're hard to change | 17:34 |
| jroll | I mean, people weren't -1'ing the spec because there might be coding errors... | 17:35 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149383/ | 17:35 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: ^ | 17:35 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah... looking again, didn't recheck the replied | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | replies* | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | I recall us talking about reviewing the VP methods and if we found several drivers doing the same thing then we would look at moving that code to a standard api for all the drivers | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | if we make exception about vendor passthru's, namely 1. allow to break backward compatibilty without warning, 2. allow it to screw everything including breaking hardware, we have to communicate it very clearly. | 17:36 |
| jroll | dtantsur: nothing about that spec does either of those | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | most concerning point for me about this spec is that it allows deploy to happen in the middle of bios update | 17:36 |
| jroll | oh? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | jroll, how does it prevent ^^^ | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: my thought behind this was that it is in the vendors best intress to ensure their code works | 17:36 |
| jroll | I mean | 17:36 |
| jroll | it could lock the node | 17:37 |
| jroll | pretty simple | 17:37 |
| jroll | I would assume it would lock the node while performing the firmware update | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: would that have been cought in a review of the code? | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | maybe it's only me, but it's hard for me to watch both high-level and low-level things while looking at the code | 17:38 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: not necessarily (caught in code review) | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, but again, why we have spec process at all? everything can be caught during code review :D | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | I think spec is a chance to think about such corner cases | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | right, replies on that spec looks good to me. But idk... I don't think the reviews were nitpicky in that case | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | they were more suggestions and ideas | 17:38 |
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| jroll | sure, but the comments on that spec is "let's just do real zapping instead". when zapping has been bumped to L. | 17:39 |
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| * dtantsur didn't know zapping was bumped | 17:39 | |
| NobodyCam | my goal is to imporve our volisity on reviews both code and spec | 17:39 |
| jroll | so "just make zapping steps" doesn't solve the problem | 17:39 |
| jroll | well, hardware capability stuff was bumped, which zapping kind of depends on AIUI | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | + I understand VP doens't need to be super "consistent" but, we depend on VP methods as today to deploy any machine with PXE for example | 17:39 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, I guess it should be an explicit decision, I didn't think we can't make zapping states _at all_ without capabilities | 17:40 |
| JoshNang | yeah i think zapping will have to be bumped | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | like in this case: we could call it zapping | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | my understanding is zapping did get bumped | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | but I don't insist, I really didn't realize that it's pretty much decided, sorry for that folks :) | 17:41 |
| rloo | when was it mentioned to the group that zapping got bumped? | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | on the nova side I think | 17:41 |
| jroll | dtantsur: sure, we should talk about it, idk, maybe it isn't officially bumped | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, was zapping _officially_ bumped to L? | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, it's all good. I mean, we should say it if we think it's important... and you can have ur -1 there even if the spec is merged | 17:41 |
| JoshNang | rloo: i don't think it's officially bumped yet. | 17:41 |
| wanyen | I didn'tknow zapping is bumped. | 17:42 |
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| * lucasagomes neither do I | 17:42 | |
| JoshNang | i could write and land most of the code, but doing zapping you can't schedule against seems...less useful | 17:42 |
| wanyen | we need raid config | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | JoshNang, the spec in question is a use case, raid stuff as well | 17:43 |
| wanyen | scheduling does not depends on capability spec | 17:43 |
| rloo | i admit that I don't always know when something is a nit or not. I like it when dtantsur and lucasagomes comment, so I would hate to dissuade them from doing so (or others). maybe gentle reminders or something? eg ping me if you disagree? | 17:43 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I do not recall that zapping was bumped | 17:43 |
| jroll | so look at it this way: do we actually think we can land a zapping spec and implementation, in time that victor_lowther could build the drac raid stuff on top? | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | some how I thought it was | 17:44 |
| devananda | jroll: nope | 17:44 |
| jroll | right. | 17:44 |
| JoshNang | and zapping requires tne cleaning implementation | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, well I'm always in the channel and ppl can ping me to discuss whatever | 17:44 |
| jroll | the VP api is for vendors to build things that aren't generic yet | 17:44 |
| devananda | so without going into all the detail about specific state transitions | 17:44 |
| jroll | zapping/raid is not generic | 17:44 |
| devananda | which I'm the only one working on actually implementing | 17:44 |
| jroll | yet | 17:44 |
| rloo | we seem to be digressing... | 17:44 |
| devananda | and which took a lot of time to get anyone to review | 17:44 |
| jroll | rloo++ | 17:44 |
| devananda | and yes i'm frustrated about that | 17:45 |
| devananda | we have totally gone off topic | 17:45 |
| devananda | which was -- how do we improve OVERALL velocity | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 17:45 |
| devananda | by not nit picking | 17:45 |
| devananda | and then dtantsur brought up why we have specs at all | 17:45 |
| devananda | which I'd like to decompose a bit | 17:45 |
| rloo | i think the example (spec) given about 'nit picking' wasn't considered nit picking by others | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | 15 minuts btw | 17:46 |
| devananda | dtantsur: do you feel that specs provide you, as a code reviewer, with any meaningful context? | 17:46 |
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| naohirot | I'm just wondering, in order to accelerate review process, can't we set a deadline for each spec review? | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I feel like it allows me to become acknowledged with high-level idea, before diving into (possibly a lot of) code | 17:46 |
| devananda | rloo: NobodyCam also brought up the vendor_passthru question, which I agree, doesn't sound like a nit. but it IS related to how deeply we scrutinize drivers | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | devananda, so yes | 17:46 |
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| rloo | so how deeply do we scrutinize drivers? | 17:47 |
| jroll | I've heard this often recently: "as a code reviewer, does this spec give you enough information to tell you if the implementation is done" and I don't think that should be the intention of specs because "tell you if it's done" means different things to different people | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | I was assuming that API (and other use visible) changes are the most important to agree and be clear on | 17:47 |
| devananda | dtantsur: cool. I'm glad. that's what I beleive specs should do (help to flesh out a high-level idea enough to agree on the direction) | 17:48 |
| devananda | also, yes, changes to API (both external and internal) need more detailed review than other things | 17:48 |
| devananda | when they are part of the core APIs | 17:48 |
| devananda | vendor_passthru is vendor specific | 17:48 |
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| devananda | it's supposed to be an area for vendors to do new things | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | I have been thinking along the lines of "if the change impacts a common area or more then one driver." | 17:50 |
| devananda | let me ask: what's teh impact to the project if a driver decides to break their vendor_passthru's backwards compatibility? | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | depend on the driver | 17:50 |
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| devananda | it's clearly a higher impact if that is IPA or the pxe/iscsi driver ... beacuse these are common drivers we all rely on | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | for the continue_deploy VP of the PXE driver | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | it can be problematic | 17:50 |
| jroll | I guess it depends on the passthru api | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | devananda, people coming to a channel asking us to fix it :) | 17:51 |
| devananda | but iLO? DRAC? iRMC? -- if they break an experimental feature in vendor_passthru | 17:51 |
| rloo | devananda: let me ask you, are we OK if a driver breaks their vendor_pasthru's backwards compatibility? cuz I personally don't care if it is a third-party driver, but... what would our users think? | 17:51 |
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| jroll | devananda: didn't nova-bm teach us that nothing is experimental? :) | 17:51 |
| devananda | jroll: indeed. except when it is. | 17:51 |
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| dtantsur | I remember us arguing about backward compatibility of an ILO driver_info option between commits in the middle of cycle | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | i.e. ilo_username vs ipmi_username vs username | 17:52 |
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| dtantsur | and we decided that we don't wanna break even this compatibility | 17:52 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's not venor passthru | 17:52 |
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| devananda | that is the basic interface for node.driver_info | 17:52 |
| devananda | changing that would break the whole driver | 17:52 |
| devananda | not just vendor_passthru/method=my_experimental_feature | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | that's what people has much less chances to be broken by. now we're talking about API's | 17:53 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: most of the vendor bmc's can also fall back to generic ipmi if the vendor driver was not working | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it's complicated... I think that we can be more soft on vendor passthru. But again, I'm looking at the comments on that spec, and I think that suggestions are valid. That's spec is all about adding VP methods | 17:53 |
| rloo | devananda: so you are saying that vendor_passthru == vendor specific and as such, 'experimental' | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | sorry, I don't recall us having notion of 'experimental' API | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | if we can't suggest, if it's totally up to the vendor then we don't need a spec | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | as NobodyCam commented | 17:53 |
| devananda | perhaps we should have a separate /experimental section? | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | e.g. in discoverd I have API's that are only enabled by a configuration option, saying that it's experimental | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, or just have the code itself adding methods to the VP methods | 17:54 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, ++ for anything clearly telling people: this can eat your laundry :D | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: or verdor contrib area | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | if it's not touching any core parts, it's not impacting on DB or core API etc | 17:54 |
| devananda | vendor_passthru is vendor contributed ... | 17:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: that's exactly what vendor passthru should be doing ... | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | true | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | so maybe not requiring specs for vendor passthru bits? | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | just send code | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | with a good commit message | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | in the code we can decide whether things simple like a return code for a vendor does make sense or not | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | and suggest something, but that's imlementation so it's even easier to do when reviewing the code | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | not the spec | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | how does that sound ^^^^ | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | vote? | 17:55 |
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| * devananda feels like this still strayed far afield from the original topic of review velocity | 17:55 | |
| naohirot | how did we prioritize the spec review? | 17:56 |
| naohirot | why can't we set a deadline for each review? | 17:56 |
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| NobodyCam | naohirot: our reviewers are also very busy | 17:56 |
| jroll | devananda: it seems we've managed to eliminate one source of slowness, at least | 17:56 |
| rloo | review velocity == both reviewers (core or not) and committer doing their part. (apart from nits if we can clarify what nits are). | 17:56 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, lucasagomes, -0 until we have way to distinguish experimental (might break and be broken) and normal ones... | 17:57 |
| jroll | naohirot: what happens if deadlines are not met? pay cuts? :P | 17:57 |
| * rloo gets tired of asking why a comment in a previous revision wasn't addressed. | 17:57 | |
| dtantsur | rloo, ++ | 17:57 |
| devananda | rloo: me too | 17:57 |
| jroll | yep | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: I like the invers of that.. tag drivers as production ready | 17:57 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: who decides what's production ready? | 17:58 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: the TC is getting out of that business ... | 17:58 |
| naohirot | In order to proceed next step, a little by little, we need a little bit fine, small granularity schedule, I think. | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | ahh | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | two minutes | 17:58 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:58 |
| rloo | maybe we could get feedback from people submitting patches, if they have suggestions to speed things up. | 17:58 |
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| devananda | rloo: or perhaps rather than gathering more feedback, we could just all do code reviews, based on the project's priorities | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | anyting for OD? | 17:59 |
| devananda | and if the priorities aren't clear, then that's my fault, and I'll put more effort into communicating them | 17:59 |
| * rloo been trying but /me wonders how to improve patches etc so fewer iterations | 17:59 | |
| NobodyCam | continue in channel? | 17:59 |
| jroll | devananda: that TODO.rst helps, but I'd love if we got together and decided priorities for the rest of this cycle | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | yeah channel is it | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks, all. see (some of) you next week in Grenoble | 18:00 |
| jroll | yeah | 18:00 |
| * jroll reposts there | 18:00 | |
| NobodyCam | htank you all | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1! | 18:00 |
| naohirot | jroll: If review didn't ended by the deadline, then we have to go to the next step. | 18:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| lucasagomes | thanks all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 26 18:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-26-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-26-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-26-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| wanyen | one suggestion- if most reviewers canreview the same spec one the same week it will likely to reduce numbe rof revs as authors can get all commetns at the same time and address them all togehter | 18:00 |
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