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| etoews | anybody out and about for the api wg meeting? | 00:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 00:00 |
| ycombinator_ | o/ | 00:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | hello | 00:00 |
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| etoews | #topic agenda | 00:01 |
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| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 00:01 |
| etoews | the usual agenda... | 00:01 |
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| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 00:02 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-15-16.00.html | 00:02 |
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| etoews | is kaufer around? | 00:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'll check around | 00:03 |
| miguelgrinberg | he did update his two specs, anyway | 00:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Kaufer's nick isn't registered so I can't check in the usual way | 00:03 |
| etoews | i see he added the cross project liaisons to his review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145579/ | 00:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yep | 00:04 |
| etoews | no reviews from the CPLs though | 00:04 |
| etoews | :( | 00:04 |
| etoews | not a huge surprise. looks like CPLs are mostly the PTLs and are probably ridiculously busy. | 00:05 |
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| etoews | how do we entice projects to review guidelines that will impact them? | 00:05 |
| salv-orlando | etoews: the previous weeks have been quite busy also for non ptls - sorry | 00:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: fwiw, the cross-project meeting was also cancelled this week. Maybe we should add this to the agenda for next week's meeting? | 00:06 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I'm probably going to be at it either way so I can represent our interests there if you or kaufer cannot make it | 00:07 |
| etoews | i confess i'm not familiar with the cross-project meeting. link? | 00:07 |
| salv-orlando | In my experience the cross-project meeting now have more of a project/release management flavor to it | 00:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | salv-orlando: Ah, I haven't been to one before | 00:09 |
| salv-orlando | Personally I think the most valuable method of reaching out and soliciting interest are 1) the mailiing list 2) chasing people on irc | 00:09 |
| salv-orlando | with the latter more expensive of course | 00:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 00:09 |
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| sigmavirus24 | s/expensive/expensive & annoying/ | 00:09 |
| salv-orlando | sigmavirus24: there is also lazy consensus... you don't have to expect all CPLs to review | 00:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | yep | 00:10 |
| salv-orlando | still no CPL is not good! | 00:11 |
| etoews | true. but coming to them down the road and saying you should follow this guideline and they say "where did that come from, i'd never agree to that" is not a good place to be. | 00:11 |
| * sigmavirus24 just annoyed the nova PTL for fun and profit | 00:11 | |
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| etoews | let's at least try to get a bit more engagement from the project teams. | 00:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh, for what it's worth, glance is already implementing Kaufer's spec on sorting | 00:12 |
| salv-orlando | One more thing, that I noticed recently... I did not have the "api" topic in my ML filters. Perhaps a public invite to all CPLs, PTLs and various core team members caring about the API to do this won't harm | 00:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | So you can take that as a tacit/implicit +1 from us | 00:12 |
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| sigmavirus24 | salv-orlando: we've invited them in the past but I suspect reiterating it wouldn't hurt | 00:12 |
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| salv-orlando | sigmavirus24: sure. Since I did not had the filter I missed the first invite! | 00:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | Heh, yeah | 00:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Is that an action for etoews? Reinvite all teh cores | 00:13 |
| etoews | i'm going to put something on the cross-project meeting agenda and attend the next one. | 00:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: +1 | 00:14 |
| etoews | #action etoews to put api wg item on the cross-project meeting agenda and attend the next meeting | 00:14 |
| ycombinator_ | Not sure if a matrix of projects' APIs vs. compliance with API-WG guidelines would act as a motivator | 00:15 |
| ycombinator_ | also apologies if this was already discussed in earlier meetings; I've missed quite a few | 00:15 |
| miguelgrinberg | ycombinator_: that's a good idea | 00:15 |
| etoews | that's an interesting idea. are we there yet? | 00:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | we need to merge a bunch of guideline docs first, though | 00:16 |
| etoews | exactly | 00:16 |
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| salv-orlando | ycombinator_: it would if somehow we manage to find a way to automate its generation and add it as part of gate jobs ;) | 00:16 |
| etoews | i'm trying to envision it and it's looking pretty sparse. | 00:16 |
| miguelgrinberg | let's call it the "API-WG" wall of shame :-) | 00:16 |
| ycombinator_ | it would be sparse at first | 00:16 |
| ycombinator_ | but I'm hoping the sparseness will be a motivator too :) | 00:16 |
| etoews | salv-orlando: well that escalated quickly :) | 00:17 |
| elmiko | i agree we definitely need to merge more guidelines before the wall of shame appears | 00:17 |
| ycombinator_ | +1 | 00:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: let's not | 00:17 |
| miguelgrinberg | awesome, the name stuck ;-) | 00:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | damnit | 00:17 |
| elmiko | but yea, i'm -1 on "wall of shame" | 00:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | ==elmiko | 00:18 |
| elmiko | sorry | 00:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | no need to apologize to me | 00:18 |
| etoews | seems we're agreed it's a good idea but maybe not just yet. | 00:18 |
| etoews | let's see...miguelgrinberg to turn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130715/ into a guideline | 00:18 |
| elmiko | yea, it sounds great. i'm curious how much work it will be to analyse the various projects? | 00:18 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, I did look at the json-home spec, but couldn't find any real world usage of it | 00:18 |
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| miguelgrinberg | and on top of that I do no like that spec | 00:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | the only useful links point to our Keystone implementation, which is incomplete as far as I can see | 00:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | they implemented the server, but the client does not use the json-home info | 00:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | so it's really there, but unused | 00:19 |
| miguelgrinberg | json-home does not seem to have much traction in the REST world, as far as I can see | 00:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Well it was an IETF draft that expired | 00:20 |
| miguelgrinberg | I fail to see its usefulness to be honest, so I can't write a guideline doc for it | 00:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | I expect it expired due to bikeshedding and Mark Nottingham's already busy life as chair of httpbis | 00:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think elmiko and I were the two people more excited about Keystone using json-home, so maybe one of us should take a crack at it? | 00:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | But I'd rather not have either of us put effort into it if the other WG members aren't interested in it | 00:22 |
| elmiko | i don't think it was me, i'm not that familiar with json-home | 00:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | maybe. I really like to understand how it helps. | 00:22 |
| miguelgrinberg | I was hoping to find a client implementation that uses this, but there isn't one | 00:23 |
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| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: is that a challenge? =P | 00:23 |
| miguelgrinberg | why not? heh | 00:23 |
| * sigmavirus24 frequently implements obscure RFCs and drafts | 00:23 | |
| ycombinator_ | miguelgrinberg: FWIW, we recently tried to implement a bunch of language bindings for OpenStack Poppy, which uses a JSON-home document; the SDKs did not find any use for it | 00:23 |
| miguelgrinberg | ycombinator_: is there any code I can see that uses json-home to navigate an API? I did not find anything in or out of openstack | 00:24 |
| ycombinator_ | SDKs == language bindings (I realized I switched terminology there) | 00:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | ycombinator_: how close were you keeping to the design of the existing SDKs? | 00:24 |
| ycombinator_ | miguelgrinberg: not that I know of; I was +1ing your (lack of) findings with some evidence | 00:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | to me json-home not only does not solve any problem, but also promotes breaking hateoas | 00:25 |
| ycombinator_ | sigmavirus24: fair point, very close | 00:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | ycombinator_: yeah the existing SDKs are kind of not designed for any kind of dynamism in how they interact with each other | 00:26 |
| etoews | seems like adopting json-home would require a "new thinking" when designing/implementing a client. | 00:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | A looser design of an API could easily take advantage of json-home if it's as easy to implement as I think it might be | 00:26 |
| etoews | hence the lack of real world client exmamples? | 00:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: right | 00:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: possibly. I think json-home, having expired as an RFC, also lost steam but I haven't looked at the httpbis mailing list archives for context | 00:27 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: so do you want to do something with this? | 00:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's entirely plausible that the jsonapi/hypermedia APIs movement around the same time discouraged Mark Nottingham | 00:27 |
| etoews | (we should move on) | 00:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: maybe | 00:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not invested in it | 00:27 |
| etoews | let's set it aside for the time being. | 00:28 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, I think it is not something we can act on right away | 00:28 |
| etoews | i did some preliminary analysis on the status vs state current design | 00:28 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=API_Working_Group/Current_Design/State_vs_Status | 00:29 |
| etoews | it's just a start | 00:29 |
| miguelgrinberg | so it's close to a tie | 00:29 |
| elmiko | etoews: nice start! | 00:30 |
| etoews | i want to get better at carving up the wadls for api analysis. | 00:30 |
| miguelgrinberg | looks like state is commonly appended to a target object, but status is used mostly on its own. Interesting. | 00:30 |
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| elmiko | etoews: have you thought about injesting them into python objects, maybe easier to interrogate? | 00:31 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: interesting. i hadn't noticed that. | 00:31 |
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| etoews | elmiko: do you know of a good python wadl parser or were you thinking just use an xml parser? | 00:32 |
| elmiko | etoews: i saw one, lemme see if i can dig it back up | 00:32 |
| etoews | either way. first i need to knock the rust off of my python skills. ;) | 00:32 |
| elmiko | =) | 00:32 |
| etoews | something i'm planning on doing anyway. :) | 00:32 |
| ycombinator_ | etoews: teh google turned this up: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wadllib/1.1.4 | 00:32 |
| miguelgrinberg | so I don't know if this was discussed, but to me, "state" indicates one of possibly few expected operational situations, while "status" indicates something higher level, for example, if the entity is operating or not | 00:33 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: have you read this? http://openstack-dev.openstack.narkive.com/UbM1J7dH/horizon-all-status-vs-state | 00:34 |
| miguelgrinberg | so you would use "status" to indicate if a service is up or down, for example. And if the service is up, then you can query in which "state" it is in. | 00:34 |
| elmiko | etoews: what ycombinator_ said, also i was looking at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wadl2swagger/0.0.5 , swagger is just json, so a little easier to hack apart. | 00:34 |
| miguelgrinberg | etoews: no, I have not! | 00:34 |
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| etoews | what bucket would a guideline about state/status belong in? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ | 00:36 |
| etoews | Representation Structure Conventions? | 00:36 |
| etoews | Naming Conventions? | 00:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | naming seems better | 00:37 |
| etoews | sure. let's move on. | 00:37 |
| ycombinator_ | Terms? | 00:37 |
| miguelgrinberg | we have a naming placeholder guideline, should it go there? | 00:37 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: link? | 00:38 |
| miguelgrinberg | https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/naming.rst | 00:38 |
| miguelgrinberg | there's actually a TODO at the bottom for this | 00:38 |
| etoews | ha. there you go. | 00:39 |
| etoews | #topic APIImpact | 00:39 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 00:39 |
| etoews | anything anyone want to point out? | 00:39 |
| miguelgrinberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134279/4/specs/kilo/approved/server-count-api.rst | 00:41 |
| miguelgrinberg | I like this. Maybe we should think about a guideline, to accompany the sorting, etc. | 00:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | miguelgrinberg: there is one | 00:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | Kaufer submitted one today I think | 00:42 |
| miguelgrinberg | awesome, always a step ahead! | 00:42 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It's already been through a couple revisions too | 00:42 |
| etoews | include_count=1 | 00:43 |
| etoews | is there any guideline around representing boolean values: | 00:43 |
| etoews | ? | 00:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Not yet | 00:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | I was going to suggest that too :) | 00:43 |
| etoews | include_count=1 or include_count=yes or include_count=true | 00:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | als y | 00:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | *also | 00:44 |
| etoews | y instead of yes. you just triple your productivity. | 00:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | technically they're doing it right ("be liberal in what you accept") | 00:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | I just wish nova would stop sending every parameter they can think of on every api request it makes so other project's schema wouldn't need to accommodate them | 00:44 |
| elmiko | lol | 00:45 |
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| etoews | sigmavirus24: did you want to propose a guideline? | 00:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | Why not | 00:46 |
| etoews | #action propose guideline on representing boolean values | 00:46 |
| etoews | this is interesting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148037/ | 00:46 |
| etoews | "Let's sync with the API WG on the best (most consistent) way to do this." | 00:47 |
| elmiko | that's nice to see | 00:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | very encouraging | 00:48 |
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| etoews | hmmm...i wonder why Qiming Teng didn't reach out to us. | 00:49 |
| etoews | i need to understand nova microversion better... | 00:49 |
| ycombinator_ | also possibly related to this is how neutron v2 is doing versions | 00:49 |
| ycombinator_ | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-networking-v2.html (see GET /) | 00:50 |
| etoews | so the broader problem is solve api versioning for openstack? | 00:51 |
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| etoews | what's the action item here? | 00:51 |
| elmiko | the yaml implementation for the backend seems a little out of scope for api-wg | 00:52 |
| ycombinator_ | action might be to propose a guideline for version discovery and negotiation? | 00:52 |
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| elmiko | ycombinator_: do you mean discovery as in endpoint? | 00:53 |
| ycombinator_ | yes, how does a client discover all supported and current versions of a service | 00:53 |
| elmiko | got it, +1 | 00:53 |
| etoews | ycombinator_: do you want to kick off a discussion on the ML? | 00:54 |
| ycombinator_ | sure, but I'll need a few days to research; I think there are several specs for this out there in openstack already | 00:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | ycombinator_: doesn't this tie back to the json-home thing? | 00:55 |
| miguelgrinberg | discovery is going to be hard to agree on | 00:55 |
| ycombinator_ | miguelgrinberg: I suppose it does | 00:55 |
| ycombinator_ | yeah, this is a hairy one | 00:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | it does | 00:55 |
| etoews | so important to get this one consistent as it's one of the first things clients with stumble on. | 00:55 |
| ycombinator_ | this also ties into catalog structure, if that's something we want to take up | 00:56 |
| etoews | #action ycombinator_ to kick of discussion on openstack-dev on how does a client discover all supported and current versions of a service | 00:56 |
| etoews | ycombinator_: yes | 00:56 |
| etoews | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Service_Catalog | 00:56 |
| ycombinator_ | thanks | 00:56 |
| etoews | needs analysis | 00:56 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 00:57 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 00:57 |
| etoews | dammit. it happened again. no time for the guidelines. :( | 00:57 |
| etoews | i'm changing the order. | 00:57 |
| elmiko | definitely need to bump it up the stack | 00:57 |
| etoews | guidelines before apiimpact | 00:57 |
| elmiko | +1 | 00:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | heh | 00:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | also tell me to shut up more often | 00:58 |
| etoews | the guideline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137490/ from miguelgrinberg is possibly looking mergable. | 01:00 |
| etoews | aaaaaand time. | 01:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 01:00:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-22-00.00.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-22-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-01-22-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
| etoews | thanks all! | 01:00 |
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| elmiko | etoews: thanks =) | 01:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 14:58 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 15:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: hi | 15:00 |
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| mrsmith_ | hi | 15:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | ihrachyshka: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Kilo-2 is in 2 weeks | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t know of any new bugs that have come up recently. Are there any we should know about? | 15:03 |
| mrsmith_ | I was testing migration last night | 15:03 |
| mrsmith_ | I think we may have regressed | 15:03 |
| mrsmith_ | I'll file a LP if I can confirm | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Let me know. You were testing with the recent refactoring patches merged? | 15:04 |
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| mrsmith_ | carl_baldwin: correct... latest upstream | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: I was worried about that one that removed the mixins and adds the routers. | 15:05 |
| Swami | mrsmith_: Are you talking about the bugs. | 15:05 |
| mrsmith_ | carl_baldwin: right... I remember I tested an early version of that | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: yes. | 15:05 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: I don’t think it changed much since then. | 15:06 |
| mrsmith_ | Swami: did you want to mention one about ml2? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Let me know what you find. | 15:06 |
| mrsmith_ | carl_baldwin: right.... thats why I want to test more to confirm | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Thanks. | 15:06 |
| Swami | The ml2 one I have already filed a bug and pushed a patch. | 15:07 |
| Swami | But for the router not unbinding when router interfaces are removed - i need to file a bug. | 15:07 |
| salv-orlando | did you find some time to verify what' s being claimed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg44008.html ? | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: The ml2 one is the one you emailed about yesterday, right? | 15:08 |
| Swami | Also for qrouter namespace existence even when there are no valid router interface ports is another bug. | 15:08 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes | 15:08 |
| salv-orlando | the thing discussed in the email thread seems a bit odd to me because in the gate the pg jobs use metadata rather than config drive. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: The iptables email thread? | 15:11 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: yup | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I was thinking along the same lines but haven’t had time to look at it yet this week. Very full schedule. There has been some work on metadata recently. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | I was hoping haleyb could field that one. Any insight there, Brian? | 15:13 |
| ihrachyshka | iptables service not running maybe? | 15:13 |
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| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: that would be an explanation. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | ihrachyshka: What exactly is an iptables service? | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I understood it as netfilter not running | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | carl_baldwin, in case of rhel, it's systemd service that would load modules etc. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Like, the module not loaded? | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | yeah | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | but the reporter did "iptables --list" on the network node - if the module wasn't loaded, that should not work as well. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: agreed. I was going to say essentially the same. | 15:15 |
| ihrachyshka | ah ok | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | Well, we should get a bug reported about the problem anyway. I think we need some more information and to try to reproduce it. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Any more discussion? Swami, mrsmith_: Anything more on the above bugs? | 15:19 |
| mrsmith_ | quick note back on my migration prob - | 15:19 |
| mrsmith_ | I think I was seeing agent crashes and restarts | 15:19 |
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| mrsmith_ | even on basic centralized snat operations | 15:20 |
| mrsmith_ | thats part of what I want to confirm | 15:20 |
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| mrsmith_ | I kept seeing the config getting reloaded in the agent log | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: That doesn’t sound good. Any backtraces? | 15:21 |
| mrsmith_ | no.. just multiple config reloads :) | 15:21 |
| mrsmith_ | I'll debug more | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Thank you. | 15:21 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: agent does not remove namespaces as well. | 15:22 |
| Swami | Even when "router_delete_namespaces" are configured. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I was just going to ask about that. | 15:23 |
| Swami | I will file a bug on this today. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thank you. | 15:23 |
| mrsmith_ | if the agent is crashing and unknown points..... we'll get unexpected behavor | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: mrsmith_: I will be available tomorrow to look at these in depth. | 15:24 |
| mrsmith_ | k - I'll let you know what I find | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Thank you. | 15:24 |
| Swami | ok, mean while I will triage more and provide details on the bugs. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: and thank you. When you file new bug reports, send me the numbers. I’ll try to look at them today but will make them a priority tomorrow morning. | 15:25 |
| Swami | ok | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | A few things merged this week. We need to step back and resolve these bugs before merging more. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Can we try to get functional tests written to expose the problems? | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | … that would be ideal. | 15:28 |
| mrsmith_ | ideal yes | 15:28 |
| Swami | +1 | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Either way, we need to take care of the bugs before going further. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Do you have anything to discuss? | 15:29 |
| mrsmith_ | on a side note - did you get a chance to look at my inheritance changes in the dvr-ha patch? | 15:29 |
| mrsmith_ | for the dvr_ha_router. class? | 15:30 |
| BrianShsng | Is there a list about these bugs? I just came in. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: I haven’t seen them yet. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: two things. I have been working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147744/. I fixed all the unit tests that were broken and currently debbuging some tempest tests that are failing | 15:30 |
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| mrsmith_ | k - just curious about what people think of how I did the multiple inheritance (removed some __init__ code) | 15:31 |
| BrianShsng | OK. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139686/13/neutron/agent/l3/dvr_ha_router.py | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: Yesterday I spent the afternoon analyzing namespaces after creating fips and assigned them to instances. It's working fine | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: ^ I will look when we get the bugs squared away. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | BrianShsng: Some of them do not have bug reports yet. | 15:32 |
| mrsmith_ | carl_baldwin: yup - sounds good | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | The L3 subteam page has links to bug lists for l3 (under the Bugs topic) and dvr (under the neutron-ovs-dvr topic) | 15:33 |
| BrianShsng | OK, thank you carl_baldwin. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m still shooting for kilo-2 to have the heavy lifting done in the l3 agent. That may be too optimistic if these bugs prove difficult to resolve but I don’t want it to drag much in to kilo-3. Thank you all for your patience here. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: ping | 15:36 |
| salv-orlando | I'm here today for this ;) | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:36 |
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| salv-orlando | so in the past two weeks we really started making progress, i believe | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: hi | 15:37 |
| salv-orlando | from my side I am implementing the reference driver - which I will push in a non-integrated fashion. Meaning that it will be a piece of standlone code with unit tests | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | yes, pavel_bondar and salv-orlando have both been progressing | 15:37 |
| salv-orlando | then pavel_bondar will provide the necessary glue | 15:37 |
| pavel_bondar | yes | 15:37 |
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| salv-orlando | at this stage I have over 800 lines of code. I expect the code to reach 2,000 just for the reference driver | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Are there reviews that I should be looking at? | 15:37 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I will push some code tomorrow | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Ah, okay. I was afraid I had missed it. | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | the only current issue I know of is handling of allocation pools - i think we should move their managment to the driver | 15:38 |
| salv-orlando | not yet complete neither working, but it will give pavel_bondar a better idea of what code should be left in db_base_plugin | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | by "management" I mean auto-generation and validation, NOT db storage - that would still be in db_base | 15:38 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: yes I think we can leave this decision to the driver. The downside is that we aren't able to make a guarantee at the API level on the pool allocation strategy | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | but I guess that's fine | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: right, driver could return error | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | I don't think we need to mandate that every neutron deployment allocates IP pools in the same way | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: agreed | 15:40 |
| pavel_bondar | salv-orlando, agree, some draft version of your code would help me a lot | 15:40 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: do you have an opinion, either weak or strong, on this matter? | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’m not sure I understand the issue yet. | 15:40 |
| * salv-orlando is referring to delegate ip allocation pools to the driver | 15:40 | |
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| salv-orlando | basically so far the logic is pretty easy. Either the user specified them or neutron allocates them for you | 15:41 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: so the change would be that the driver can reject the user-specified ones, and that the driver generates them not neutron if not provided | 15:41 |
| salv-orlando | In the first case, there will be an hook to the driver during the validation of the pools, as some drivers have "reserved" zones that users are not allowed to use | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Right. I imagined that they would be delegated to the driver. | 15:42 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: ok that's fine. This leads me to the next topic where there might be discussion | 15:42 |
| salv-orlando | should the driver be able to access the neutron database? I went back and forth a lot of times | 15:43 |
| salv-orlando | and it seems to me that probably it should. | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: my opinion - yes - but probably read-only | 15:43 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: I was of the same opinion, but in that case it would awkward letting the driver allocate ip pools | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | anyway this is something for which we don't need to use meeting time | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | we can take that offline on irc or ml. | 15:44 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: ok let's discuss offline - not seeing it as too awkward but we can discuss later | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’ll be offline most of today. Maybe an ML would be best. | 15:45 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: ok - i also did CC you on a direct email with Pavel yesterday if you haven't seen it | 15:45 |
| salv-orlando | I just wanted to complete the update on my site stating that the "reference driver" operates similarly to the current code, but I expect to do that in a better way - that is to say, for instance, no locking queries | 15:45 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: seen | 15:45 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: ok, we can move it to ML | 15:45 |
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| salv-orlando | this means the IP allocation logic might be slight different. My question is: do we prefer to stay on the path of what we already know to work even if not perfectly | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: No locking queries would be nice. | 15:46 |
| salv-orlando | or do we prefer to also have better code, which however means different and untested code as well? | 15:46 |
| salv-orlando | personally I prefer to also use this refactoring to solve these IPAM long-standing issues | 15:47 |
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| salv-orlando | but if the community feels we should not do too much at the same time I can just keep the current allocation algorithms | 15:47 |
| salv-orlando | that's all from me. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: We could do that but if the two come together it may be difficult to resolve issues that come up. | 15:48 |
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| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: perhaps start with the current code, you can even subclass the driver and create an alternate with new code, so we always have fallback if new code has issues | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’d like to see how you suggest changing the allocation logic. | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Are you still around? Anything new on subnet allocation? | 15:50 |
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| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148698/ | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | very raw, not ready to go, but progressing | 15:50 |
| tidwellr | I'm tackling basic CRUD on subnetpools first, the meat of of it is still to come | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Great to see something up in gerrit. | 15:51 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I will share that on the mailing list as well (non l,ocking IP allocation strategy) | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Thank you. I will watch for it. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I know you’ve got tons more spare time. ;) I was wondering if you could take a high level look at tidwellr ’s patch above to see if it is going in the right direction for the API additions. | 15:53 |
| tidwellr | "right direction" being the key | 15:54 |
| tidwellr | still very raw | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else on ipam? | 15:55 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: not from me | 15:55 |
| tidwellr | nope | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Rajeev_: Anything else here? | 15:56 |
| Rajeev_ | carl_baldwin: no, got plenty to do for now. | 15:56 |
| mrsmith_ | we need adolfo's functional test patches to get merged | 15:56 |
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| mrsmith_ | I mentioned the l3-ha patch - that needs some looks | 15:57 |
| mrsmith_ | I still see some disagreement on the l2pop patch | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Could you ping marun on that one? I hope to look at it soon but, to be honest, it isn’t looking good for me. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: ^ adolfo’s specifically | 15:58 |
| mrsmith_ | adolfo is pinging marun I believe | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Great. | 15:58 |
| mrsmith_ | +1 | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: At this point, I’m ready to say if marun is happy then I’ll probably be happy with the patch. | 15:59 |
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| mrsmith_ | once that is merged we can all write more dvr functional tests (like ha) | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: That would be very good. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry we’re out of time. | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| mrsmith_ | cya | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 16:00:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-22-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-22-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-01-22-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| kaufer | API working group meeting today? | 16:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 18:01 |
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| rkukura | I’ll be right back | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:02 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like we have fewer people today | 18:02 |
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| rkukura | I’m back | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: welcome back | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 18:03:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Jan_22nd.2C_2015 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have any “announcements” for today | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone have anything to share? | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:04 |
| songole | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on to pending bugs | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:04 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | all the pending critical, high, and medium bugs are currently assigned to either rkukura, ivar, myself or magesh-gv | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: for the medium priority bugs any update at your end? | 18:07 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: no | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1382154 | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1382147 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1407321 | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: may be whenever you get a chance, can you update LP since these are currently targeted for kilo-1 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: hi | 18:08 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:09 |
| rkukura | rkukura: Didn’t realize that - will look/update | 18:09 |
| rkukura | That ws for SumitNaiksatam | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging Update | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was an issue which magesh-gv noted when installing the Heat package on Ubuntu | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seems that the package name: group-based-policy-automation is not matching the name mentioned in the init file which is gbpautomation | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did you run into this at all? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i recall you mentioning something along similar lines | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but seems like you worked around it | 18:12 |
| rkukura | I don’t think this was an issue for the RPM packaging | 18:12 |
| rkukura | what’s the “init file”? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://github.com/stackforge/group-based-policy-automation/blob/master/gbpautomation/__init__.py#L17 | 18:12 |
| rkukura | The RPM packaging has a patch that replaces the contents of that file | 18:13 |
| rkukura | The RPMs are not supposed to depend on PBR at runtime, so most openstack packages need this sort of patch | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:14 |
| rkukura | so that explains why I didn’t hit the issue | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i guess we need to check with mandeep, he is using this as is | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so you override gbpautomation with “group-based-policy-automation”? | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | No, I set __version__ to a contant that has the version number from the spec file, in order to avoid the import/call of pbr.version | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so what is the package name that you are using, it will perhaps make sense to have consistence across the distros | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *consistency | 18:17 |
| rkukura | Normally, __init.py__ files don’t need to know the package name. | 18:18 |
| rkukura | But the python top-level package name is gbpautomation. I certainly don’t do anything to change this. | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok, does this match the rpm name as well, or thats not relevant? | 18:19 |
| rkukura | I don’t think we should be changing the package names at this point. These don’t need to match the RPM names. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any update on the RDO packages? | 18:20 |
| rkukura | Note that the egg_info is group_based_policy_autonmation*.egg-info, which seems to be based on the git repo name rather than the package name | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes thats how it shows up on the ubuntu side as well | 18:21 |
| rkukura | And I’m pretty sure this is similar for the other projects as well | 18:21 |
| rkukura | Maybe the string being passed to pbr.version.VersionInfo() just needs to change. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, that was magesh-gv’s suggestion, but i wanted to make sure that it did not have any unitended side effects | 18:23 |
| rkukura | I suspect PBR gets the egg-info name from the git repo name. | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Changing just the contents of that shouldn’t be a problem for the RPM packaging, except I’ll need to change the patch to match the code being removed | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, we would backport this change so it will be a new rev | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any update on the RDO packages? | 18:25 |
| rkukura | The GBP RDO packaging is being tracked at https://trello.com/c/uoullOKB/26-group-based-policy-neutron-addons-an-example-of-public-participation | 18:25 |
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| rkukura | It looks to me that our packages are staged for the next update of the RDO yum repo | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: fantastic! | 18:26 |
| rkukura | Once that is done, I’ll update the wiki page instructions to just do “yum install openstack-neutron-gbp”, etc. | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | latest update from Alan Pevec - “RDO update is staged and ready to publish when stage CI passes (was blocked on internal infra issues)” | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for that update! | 18:27 |
| rkukura | I’d definitely be interested in feedback from anyone trying to use the RDO packages | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for rkukura on the RH packaging, or for me on the Ubuntu packaging? | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is krishna here? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: was his issue from last week resolved? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | his question was “Is the rpm name for centos 7 different ?” | 18:30 |
| rkukura | I see that now | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apparently he was able to install the gbp horizon package | 18:30 |
| rkukura | I’ll follow up | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks! | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo-1 Planning | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are still in the process of gathering feedback on the Juno release | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the meanwhile, there were a bunch of items which were left out of Juno | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the first thing that comes to mind is the pending bug fixes | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so as i mentioned in the bugs discussion, there is one critical and some high and medium priority bugs which we should target for kilo-1 | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi! sorry for being late! | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | almost all of these are assigned to rkukura ivar-lazzaro SumitNaiksatam or magesh-gv | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: hi, we just wrapped up the discussion on your email | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KrishnaK: thanks for trying it, lets circle back to that in the open discussion | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so my proposal is that while we are gathering feedback on the Juno release, our first priority in kilo-1 is to clean up our plate on the bugs | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does that sound okay to everyone? (kind of obvious) | 18:36 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | +1 :) | 18:36 |
| yapeng | +1 | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe there are also pending items on the vendor drivers - ODL, One Convergence and APIC - yapeng ivar-lazzaro songole? | 18:37 |
| KrishnaK | SumitNaiksatam: Sorry I missed beginning part. Thanks will talk to you rkukura/ offline | 18:37 |
| rkukura | KrishnaK: I just emailed you regarding your issue with the RPM. | 18:37 |
| KrishnaK | rkukura: Thanks much. will try it out today. | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for issues which are discovered new and critically affect the Juno release, we will backport the fixes | 18:38 |
| yapeng | SumitNaiksatam: Yi and I will submit UT patches for reviewing. | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: yes, yi has one patch already posted, but i have been behind for the review | 18:39 |
| s3wong | yapeng: yes, I saw that Yi has posted a patch on UT | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/145879 | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: thanks | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the second item that we need to target for Kilo-1 is actually two related items - | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to move to using public APIs for Neutron | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as opposed to the current internal calls | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | 1+++ | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this will be the first step in moving to a separate serever which will be the second step | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thoughts? | 18:44 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I believe we are only making public API calls, but doing them directly to the plugin rather than via REST | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | REST calls to be more precise | 18:45 |
| rkukura | If we are using plugin methods that are not part of the API, fixing that would be the very firsy step | 18:45 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point, i hope not | 18:46 |
| rkukura | I’m not too comfortable with making REST API calls from within the server to the same server, as this can cause crazy chains of blocked threads, across replicas of the server through load balancers etc. | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree, but this is an intermediate step | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and hopefully a quick transition | 18:47 |
| rkukura | We could at least do the client API as a patch that gets merged just before the patch to become a separate server | 18:47 |
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| rkukura | Or we could make it configurable whether to use direct or REST calls | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the later is what i was thinking, sort a non-breaking change | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | also a chain of patches could be an option | 18:48 |
| rkukura | either is workable | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can probably borrow from the client approach that nova currently has | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other thoughts/opinions/concerns on this? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a priority that is | 18:49 |
| rkukura | Are we also planning to remove foriegn key constraints and/or move to a separate DB? | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that i would consider a third step | 18:49 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: my opinion is we should | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i dont know what others think | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you have thoughts on this? | 18:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | having a separate server it's probably a good idea. we will have to rely on notifications at that point | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good point to bring up though | 18:50 |
| rkukura | Seems we should do it. Are the advanced services doing this too? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: adv services have a separate DB chain for now (the last i checked) | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | similar to what we have | 18:51 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Separate migration chain in same DB? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the plan was to move to a separate DB there as well | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:51 |
| rkukura | OK | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i am not sure that the final call has been made on that, we can only tell when it actually happens! ;-) | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and most likely not in kilo since i didnt see that as targeted in the specs for kilo | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | from a feature perspective the immediate high priority item i had on the list was floating IP support | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this was a feature that was targeted for Juno but we could not accomplish it | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | +1 | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole along with hemanthravi and magesh-gv were working on this | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we need to get this in at the earliest | 18:55 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: magesh-gv was working on it. | 18:55 |
| songole | He is on vacation this week. | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: yes, he informed about that | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | besides that we have blueprints in review | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF’s have been pending for a long time | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we should definitely go ahead and review them such that we can make progress on these at least past kilo-1 | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if there is something that you would like to work on in kilo-1 and have time please come forward | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | what i mentioned above are some of the pending items, and based on the people who are already lined up to work on those | 18:59 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: What is our kilo-1 milestone, or are we skipping it and going right to kilo-2? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we will have the kilo-1 milestone, a short one i guess | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | open to discussion though | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay we have hit the hour, please let me know your thoughts on the above | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can also continue the discussion on #openstack-gbp | 19:00 |
| rkukura | Does our current master branch run with the neutron and other projects’ master branches? Maybe kilo-1 should focus on getting the Juno functionality working if needed. | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: correct | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok thanks all for joining | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| s3wong | Thanks! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 19:01:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-22-18.03.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-22-18.03.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-01-22-18.03.log.html | 19:01 |
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| mattgrif_ | OpenStack HA Guide Update - see you in 8 min | 20:52 |
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| mattgriffin | Hello HA Guide update folks. you out there? | 21:00 |
| sriramhere | Hi Matt, I am ehre | 21:01 |
| mattgriffin | hi sriramhere | 21:01 |
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| sriramhere | I am updating the wiki to add logistics info on bug bash | 21:01 |
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| mattgriffin | sriramhere, excellent | 21:02 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, and other HA Guide update team members... here's an agenda to get us started today - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:03 |
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| mattgriffin | sriramhere, ping when you're done with your edits and we'll dig into the agenda | 21:04 |
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| shamail | Sorry for being late. | 21:05 |
| sriramhere | ok | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | shamail, np. sriramhere was just updating the wiki page with some info for the bug bash tomorrow | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | shamail, agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:05 |
| sriramhere | we can get started on other items. no need to wait | 21:05 |
| mattgriffin | so first off it looks like we've got a table going to capture info on the HA status for projects | 21:06 |
| mattgriffin | that's great! | 21:06 |
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| mattgriffin | should people just contact core members and update the table when they get info? | 21:07 |
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| shamail | That is probably ideal. Is everyone okay with the break-out of API/service/metadata HA? | 21:07 |
| shamail | I figured each project may have multiple components with different HA capabilities. | 21:08 |
| mattgriffin | shamail, looks good to me | 21:09 |
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| mattgriffin | shamail, thanks for doing that | 21:09 |
| sriramhere | I'm yet to look at the table, looks good to get started. | 21:10 |
| sriramhere | Here's some logistcs info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Logistics for the bug bash | 21:10 |
| sriramhere | key thing to note are the tags and priorities | 21:10 |
| sriramhere | I can update little bit more on the info to include by this afternoon/ evening | 21:10 |
| dulek | Hi guys, sorry for being late. I don't have time to help updating guide directly with you, but I definitely can share my knowledge. | 21:10 |
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| mattgriffin | dulek, thanks | 21:11 |
| dulek | I can take care of Cinder and Heat sections in the table if you're interested. | 21:11 |
| mattgriffin | dulek, yes please | 21:11 |
| dulek | sure :) | 21:12 |
| sriramhere | Shamail, the table looks very good. Can I suggest to add additional tools/ sofware such as keepalived/ haproxy etc? You have it in comments now, may be little bit more prominence might be good | 21:12 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, great. if there are additional instructions, email docs list? | 21:12 |
| shamail | sounds good sriramhere | 21:12 |
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| sriramhere | Matt, after the bug bash, core team can triage | 21:13 |
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| sriramhere | I think we don't need additioanl instructions, but I will spend bit more time this evening. I request all to take a look at the wiki before srarting the bugbash | 21:13 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, great | 21:14 |
| sriramhere | thanks Shamail, Matt | 21:14 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, what about fixing the existing 8 HA Guide bugs. should that be part of the bug bash? | 21:15 |
| sriramhere | i suggest doing it separately | 21:15 |
| sriramhere | i think focussed time on filing more bugs will help us find where we stand | 21:15 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, ack | 21:16 |
| sriramhere | after the bug bash, we can have a quick triage, then start fixing | 21:16 |
| sriramhere | however, one is free to fix the bugs always :) | 21:16 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, hehe... yes | 21:16 |
| sriramhere | thanks. | 21:17 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, anything to update on the Calendar... i guess everyone found the irc channel ;) | 21:17 |
| shamail | Do we have a mailing list? What's the best way to communicate off IRC? | 21:17 |
| sriramhere | Looks like this IRC channel is good for all | 21:18 |
| sriramhere | i updated the wiki with the meeting info | 21:18 |
| sriramhere | and also pinged Stef on updating the ical. eventually our meeting should get on ical | 21:18 |
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| mattgriffin | shamail, sriramhere email openstack-docs@ with [haguide] in the subject? | 21:18 |
| sriramhere | if not already. I think we don't need any more action on that | 21:18 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, great | 21:19 |
| sriramhere | Shamail, If i remember correctly, Anne suggested us use the docs email list with [ha-guide] in subject | 21:19 |
| mattgriffin | cool | 21:19 |
| mattgriffin | that's all for the agenda. any other items to discuss? | 21:19 |
| sriramhere | i mistanely used [haguide] in the recent email, dont know if it matters a lot, but let us use [ha-guide] per reco | 21:20 |
| mattgriffin | i'll put info about using the docs list with the special subject on the wiki page | 21:20 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, ack | 21:20 |
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| shamail | sriramhere: Thanks! I missed that. Good to know. | 21:20 |
| sriramhere | Reg bug bash,w hat time zones are we all in? when are we starting the bugbash tmorrow? | 21:21 |
| sriramhere | i am in PST | 21:21 |
| sriramhere | Shamail in EST | 21:21 |
| * mattgriffin in CST | 21:21 | |
| shamail | I might be late or have to contribute later. I'll try my best to make it on time. | 21:21 |
| sriramhere | ok - So Shamail will start first :) | 21:21 |
| sriramhere | no worries. jsut checking. we don't need to do at same time. please keep watching the bugs list | 21:22 |
| sriramhere | with our tag | 21:22 |
| shamail | sriramhere: I might have to take an IOU 😔 | 21:22 |
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| mattgriffin | :) | 21:22 |
| sriramhere | no worries. also we can lurk on this IRC channel tomorrow. I am open to Skype/ Google hangout too inc ase we need to chat | 21:23 |
| mattgriffin | cool. i'll be here | 21:23 |
| sriramhere | my skype is sri.sub/ googgle is sriram@sriramhere.com | 21:23 |
| sriramhere | just in case | 21:23 |
| sriramhere | any other topics to chat here? | 21:24 |
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| mattgriffin | sriramhere, don't think so | 21:24 |
| mattgriffin | i think we're set for tomorrow | 21:24 |
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| sriramhere | good. thanks Matt/ Shamail. have a good one. ttu tomorrow | 21:24 |
| mattgriffin | later sriramhere shamail | 21:24 |
| shamail | Take care everyone!! | 21:24 |
| shamail | Mine is itzShamail@gmail.com | 21:25 |
| sriramhere | cool | 21:25 |
| mattgriffin | shamail, ok | 21:25 |
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| sriramhere | thx all. Matt - can you please collect lgos | 21:25 |
| sriramhere | else, i will send the commands to start/ stop/ set agenda etc on IRC channel via email | 21:26 |
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| sriramhere | thanks again all | 21:26 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, got logs :) | 21:27 |
| sriramhere | cool, thanks Matt | 21:27 |
| mattgriffin | sriramhere, will add to wiki | 21:27 |
| mattgriffin | yw | 21:27 |
| sriramhere | thanks again. bye all | 21:27 |
| mattgriffin | :) | 21:27 |
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