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devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 05:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 05:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:00 |
devananda | hi folks! | 05:00 |
mrda | o/ | 05:00 |
Nisha | hi devananda | 05:00 |
naohirot | o/ | 05:00 |
takadayuiko | o/ | 05:00 |
jroll | \o | 05:00 |
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JayF | o/ | 05:01 |
devananda | as usual, the agenda is on the wiki - | 05:01 |
devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 05:01 |
vdrok_ | o/ | 05:01 |
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devananda | today's a holiday inthe US. extra thanks to those who are here anyway :) | 05:01 |
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devananda | #topic announcements | 05:01 |
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mrda | what holiday? | 05:01 |
devananda | no special announcements from me -- other than a reminder that the midcycle sprints are coming up | 05:02 |
devananda | (yes, there are two -- one in the EU and one in the US) | 05:02 |
mrda | ahh, MLK | 05:02 |
devananda | mrda: yup | 05:02 |
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devananda | if you plan on attending a sprint and have not already "purchased" a ticket through eventbrite, please do so | 05:02 |
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devananda | that helps the organizing folks know how many are coming | 05:02 |
devananda | that's it for me -- anyone else have announcements? | 05:03 |
jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/IronicKiloSprint | 05:03 |
devananda | ah, thanks jroll | 05:03 |
devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 05:03 |
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devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 05:04 |
wanyen | deva so the midcycle meeting at Grenoble is already a coding sprint? Will it discuss kilo2 target specs? | 05:04 |
wanyen | s/already/aslo | 05:04 |
wanyen | s/aslo/also | 05:04 |
devananda | wanyen: because many folks can't make it to one or the other (or either) event, I don't think we have a critical mass to do significant planning work | 05:05 |
devananda | wanyen: and we should continue doing that online | 05:05 |
wanyen | deva; ok | 05:05 |
devananda | wanyen: so I'd rather the folks who attend help each other focus on *implementing* the mountain of work we have | 05:05 |
devananda | ok - back to subteam status ... | 05:06 |
devananda | dtantsur led a bug-triage day last week | 05:06 |
devananda | it looks like it went really well! | 05:06 |
devananda | I see that we have an agenda item to discuss the iRMC driver, so let's not go into that here | 05:07 |
devananda | naohirot: thanks for the update on the etherpad, too | 05:07 |
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naohirot | devananda: you are welcome. | 05:07 |
devananda | it looks like the iLO driver still has many specs that need reviews ... | 05:07 |
naohirot | devananda: kilo-2 is comming, will be iRMC management driver a part of it as well as power driver? | 05:08 |
wanyen | deva, yes ples review ilo specs | 05:08 |
devananda | #info bug triage day last week went well. should repeat it periodically | 05:08 |
devananda | #info iLO driver has many specs up that still need reviews | 05:08 |
devananda | naohirot: I hope so ... we'll see what folks are able to review | 05:08 |
rameshg87 | here is status of ilo third-party ci | 05:09 |
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naohirot | devananda and all: I'm ready to update as soon as I got comments :) | 05:09 |
rameshg87 | we are in the process of setting up third party ci | 05:09 |
rameshg87 | looking to add tests for iscsi_ilo and agent_ilo in gate and check pipelines | 05:09 |
rameshg87 | planning some changes in devstack (lib/ironic) and devstack-gate (devstack-vm-gate-wrap.sh) for this. | 05:09 |
rameshg87 | will raise gerrit reviews and pick ironic folks to have a look at this first. | 05:09 |
rameshg87 | s/pick/ping :) | 05:09 |
devananda | rameshg87: awesome! | 05:09 |
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devananda | rameshg87: please don't hesitate to ask questions about setting up the CI system. I work with (and very briefly worked on) the infra team | 05:10 |
devananda | at the least, I can point you to docs or the people who know more | 05:11 |
rameshg87 | devananda, i follow a blog written by Jay Pipes | 05:11 |
devananda | rameshg87: if that's the one I'm thinking of, it's a good walk through :) | 05:11 |
rameshg87 | devananda, it's explained in detail except that lots of things in openstack-infra has changed since tutorial was written | 05:11 |
devananda | yep | 05:11 |
rameshg87 | devananda, just need to figure out where things are right now :) | 05:11 |
devananda | anteaya may be able to help there | 05:11 |
mrda | there's also some infra people in this TZ that can help if required. | 05:12 |
mrda | jhesketh for example | 05:12 |
jaypipes | rameshg87: you should use the fork of the os-ext-testing repository from ramy asselin: | 05:12 |
rameshg87 | devananda, mrda, thanks .. | 05:12 |
rameshg87 | jaypipes, great .. | 05:12 |
rameshg87 | jaypipes, thanks. i was making changes to that and was planning to raise a pull request to you :) | 05:12 |
mrda | and maybe jaypipes is in *every* timezone :) | 05:12 |
devananda | lol | 05:13 |
devananda | ok - going to time box this section | 05:14 |
devananda | thanks again, everyone, for the status updates | 05:14 |
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devananda | #topic driver naming conventions | 05:14 |
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devananda | naohirot: I think you stumbled into a much larger question accidentally here | 05:14 |
devananda | and by "larger" I actually mean "it's a giant bikeshed" | 05:15 |
naohirot | devananda: yes, should I explain background? | 05:15 |
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devananda | naohirot: sure | 05:15 |
naohirot | devananda: I got a comment from JayF during the reivew of iRMC Management spec. | 05:16 |
naohirot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136020/10/specs/kilo/irmc-management-driver.rst | 05:16 |
naohirot | please look at the line 30 | 05:17 |
devananda | JayF and jroll and I had started discussing it just before the meeting | 05:18 |
naohirot | devananda: I saw devananda and jroll's conversation in the Ironic channnel | 05:18 |
devananda | :) | 05:18 |
devananda | short version from my POV - as we add more driver interfaces, the names of drivers either: | 05:18 |
naohirot | it seems it's famous boot and deploy problem. | 05:18 |
wanyen | chaning driver name involves backward compatibility | 05:18 |
devananda | - become longer and more descriptive and tend towards a list of interface classes from which that driver is composed | 05:19 |
devananda | - or shorter and "cute" | 05:19 |
jroll | I've said it since the summit, I think we need composable drivers | 05:19 |
jroll | as in a column for each type | 05:19 |
naohirot | what I'd like to discuss here is how to approach this problem. | 05:20 |
devananda | but either way we go, changing current driver names would require us to keep the existing pythong enrypoints for compatibility | 05:20 |
rameshg87 | jroll, do you mean operator picks up the interfaces for the composable driver ? | 05:20 |
jroll | rameshg87: I'm not entirely sure it will work, ideally the operator just puts driver names in the db and it just works | 05:20 |
jroll | anyway, that's beyond this discussion. | 05:20 |
JayF | I think a longer, more descriptive name is better. We already have enough trouble about 'what's the difference between drivers' without bringing cutesy names into it. | 05:21 |
jroll | I tend to think it's fine to go outside of the current "convention" that isn't really defined | 05:21 |
naohirot | I'd prefer the first option, issuing a bp and redactor | 05:21 |
devananda | jroll: I disagree for two reasons. first (and possibly solvable) is that this leads to a combinatorial explosion of testing requirements. second (and human in nature) is that operators are probably going to pick a reasonably small subset of the potential combinations | 05:21 |
devananda | so we should just give them those choices | 05:21 |
jroll | for irmc, name them similar to what JayF suggested. leave the rest alone for now | 05:21 |
devananda | like - who would compose ipmi-power and ilo-boot | 05:22 |
jroll | devananda: maybe it's just me being a nerd | 05:22 |
devananda | when ilo implements both power and boot | 05:22 |
rameshg87 | this doesn't happen for all drivers. should we just break the convention whenever it is required only ? | 05:22 |
devananda | that's a trivial example which we would immediately hit, were we to allow arbitrary compositing | 05:22 |
jroll | yeah, I think it's fine to break convention | 05:22 |
JayF | devananda: I generally see the matrix as being pxe vs some kind of BMC boot * the two "major" deploy drivers | 05:22 |
JayF | devananda: that matrix of 4 drivers per new virtualmedia-capable management driver is going to be common | 05:23 |
devananda | JayF: that statement assumes there are no other deploy drivers | 05:23 |
devananda | JayF: and it assumes other interfaces are not being mixed in through other means | 05:23 |
JayF | and the only way to really fix that is to have fewer deploy drivers | 05:23 |
devananda | such as console or raid | 05:23 |
JayF | or start talking about drivers in ways other than static names | 05:23 |
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JayF | exactly | 05:23 |
mrda | I think it's worth noting that OpenStack generally is quite opinionated | 05:23 |
devananda | mrda: yup | 05:23 |
devananda | I'm all for the opinion here | 05:23 |
mrda | lol | 05:24 |
devananda | and I wouldn't mind having cute names. we already give our projects names -- why not the drivers? :) | 05:24 |
JayF | I mean, lets look at the iRMC example again | 05:24 |
JayF | what "opinion" would we have? All 4 drivers would have merit in different use case.s | 05:24 |
mrda | (unless good reason not to follow suit) | 05:24 |
JayF | it's just another thing to bikeshed over | 05:24 |
devananda | today we effectively have: (power) + (boot) + (deploy) + (management) + (console) | 05:25 |
devananda | in some cases, many of these are provided by a single implementation, eg, ilo provides power, boot, management, and console | 05:26 |
devananda | so we get just (ilo) + (iscsi, agent) | 05:26 |
naohirot | devananda: I see, now I understood the real background of the driver naming | 05:26 |
devananda | I imagine that other vendor-specific drivers will tend towards a similar state | 05:26 |
devananda | (vendor) + (deploy method) | 05:27 |
naohirot | devananda: name consists of 5 words ideally. | 05:27 |
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devananda | but what if I want to use the IPMI 2.0 standard SOL session instead of iLO's ? | 05:27 |
devananda | right now, I can't. | 05:28 |
devananda | that's an opinion. I think it's fine if Ironic has that sort of opinion. | 05:28 |
jroll | ++ | 05:28 |
JayF | Sure. but that still doesn't help the issue at hand with iRMC. Should we say we only want to support a given kind of boot? | 05:29 |
wanyen | Not quite sure why a user wants to use ipmi and iLO deploy and boot combination | 05:29 |
jroll | I'm ok with just supporting virtualmedia, as long as all irmc hardware has VM support | 05:29 |
JayF | That means booting anything using iRMC driver requires CIFS/NFS | 05:30 |
jroll | oh, that's a thing | 05:32 |
jroll | I mean | 05:32 |
JayF | I just want us to get somewhere with the conversation; have a specific answer for naohirot so that spec doesn't stay in limbo, even if we have to continue thinking about overall naming and composability of drivers | 05:32 |
jroll | if we want to support all four; name them distinctly like JayF suggested | 05:32 |
JayF | I obviously think the best path for that is implement the 4 drivers, name them what I suggested :) | 05:32 |
mrda | +1 | 05:32 |
devananda | JayF: ++ | 05:32 |
devananda | er, I mean, +1 on getting to a specific answer | 05:32 |
devananda | I'm looking at the ilo* drivers right now -- there are three | 05:32 |
devananda | (not counting fake) | 05:32 |
* JayF would rather not stay up to look at a non-moving IRC meeting | 05:32 | |
devananda | JayF: of the four you're suggesting,a nd the three that ilo implements ,what's missing? | 05:33 |
wanyen | deva, ilo driver doesn nt use ipmi | 05:33 |
devananda | vm_iscsi? | 05:33 |
JayF | it's just a matrix, pxe/agent vs pxeboot/virtualmedia | 05:33 |
JayF | I think they may not have agent/virtualmedia yet | 05:33 |
devananda | wanyen: I know :) that was just an example to illustrate a point | 05:34 |
JayF | but imbw | 05:34 |
wanyen | that's why iLo driver only has 3 drivers not 4 | 05:34 |
devananda | JayF: IloVirtualMediaAgentDriver | 05:34 |
JayF | devananda: agent + pxe is missing | 05:35 |
JayF | we do not have a driver that uses iLo management + pxe boots + IPA deploy | 05:35 |
rameshg87 | JayF, yes, it's not there .. | 05:35 |
devananda | oh. right | 05:35 |
devananda | agent + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt | 05:36 |
JayF | see; I almost think that's a bug | 05:36 |
JayF | there's no reason that doesn't exist other than because it doesn't | 05:36 |
devananda | because there is iscsi + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt | 05:36 |
devananda | yea | 05:36 |
devananda | JayF: so this is where, apparently, the authors of that driver (or we as a community) had an opinion | 05:36 |
jroll | I mean, it's not a bug until someone wants it | 05:37 |
devananda | or we just skipped it | 05:37 |
devananda | because no one wanted it | 05:37 |
rameshg87 | devananda, JayF, there was a reason for that have iscsi + pxe boot + ilo for power, mgmt. it helps to deal with uefi systems | 05:37 |
JayF | I was more suspecting it was an oversight | 05:37 |
devananda | in short, I don't think we should be telling the driver authors what combinations of interfaces they should be providing. they should listen to their users and implement that | 05:37 |
rameshg87 | devananda, JayF, when agent supports uefi, we can as well have it | 05:37 |
JayF | devananda: that's reasonable; but I would still say the drivers should be named more descriptively, even if we don't want to implement the full matrix | 05:38 |
JayF | but I want that to be a decision; not an oversight | 05:38 |
jroll | or we should document the mapping | 05:38 |
wanyen | deva ++ | 05:38 |
JayF | given it was modelled on what drivers iLo had before; I suspect it was not a decision explicitly mad | 05:38 |
JayF | *made | 05:38 |
devananda | JayF: fair points | 05:38 |
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devananda | naohirot: what combinations of interfaces matter to you / /your users? | 05:39 |
naohirot | devananda: I just would like to follow the ilo implementation as the first step. | 05:39 |
devananda | rameshg87: are you saying that PXE boot is necessary for UEFI support (and works better than iLO vmedia boot for that) ? | 05:40 |
naohirot | devananda: so it's difficult to answer your question.:-) | 05:40 |
wanyen | deva, ipmi toll does not handle boot mode | 05:40 |
devananda | naohirot: are you planning to test all of them, or just one? | 05:40 |
rameshg87 | devananda, setting boot device doesn't work well with ipmi. pxe boot + ilo mgmt on uefi works | 05:41 |
wanyen | so we have pxe-ilo driver using ilo to manage boot mode | 05:41 |
devananda | rameshg87: ahh. gotcha. so for a user who wants to use PXE boot, they need to use iLO mgmt (rather than IPMI) to enable UEFI | 05:41 |
devananda | rameshg87: thanks | 05:41 |
rameshg87 | devananda, yeah | 05:41 |
JayF | devananda: aiui, that's the same difference with iRMC as well | 05:42 |
JayF | devananda: at least that's what I gleaned from the spec | 05:42 |
naohirot | devananda: I think right now there is no concrete customer, my concern is to implement workable driver and ask potential customer's feedback. | 05:42 |
devananda | naohirot: my advice would then be, start with the simplest one that provides the functionality you think your customers want | 05:43 |
naohirot | devananda: that's the reason I'd like to implement the way ilo does right now. | 05:43 |
Haomeng|2 | rameshg87: do you mean it does not support 'persistent' option? | 05:43 |
devananda | naohirot: rather than trying to support 3 separate drivers initially | 05:43 |
rameshg87 | Haomeng|2, no. setting boot device itself doesn't work properly with ipmi. it's not related to persistent option. | 05:43 |
devananda | s/separate/different combinations of/ | 05:43 |
rameshg87 | Haomeng|2, i mean only on uefi machines | 05:43 |
devananda | rameshg87: you mean boot mode, not device, right? | 05:43 |
rameshg87 | devananda, both infact :) | 05:43 |
Haomeng|2 | rameshg87: ok | 05:43 |
naohirot | devananda: I'd rather shipping small set of driver rather than complete one. | 05:44 |
devananda | rameshg87: oh, hmmm. I haven't seen problems setting boot device like that. thanks | 05:44 |
JayF | naohirot: then as a suggestion, why not do the virtual media boot drivers later? | 05:44 |
JayF | naohirot: the pxe / agent deploy drivers, if pxe booting, should be very quick to get up and proof of concept | 05:44 |
rameshg87 | devananda, for reference, we have code to handle that - https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py#L334-L348 | 05:45 |
devananda | JayF: ++ | 05:45 |
jroll | JayF: ++ just need power driver for that | 05:45 |
naohirot | JayF: That's what I'm doing. | 05:45 |
JayF | cool, then if we do that I'd be OK with pxe_irmc / agent_irmc drivers | 05:45 |
devananda | jroll: I think the power driver already got approved, no? | 05:45 |
naohirot | JayF: I implement PXE+iRMC without virtual media first. | 05:45 |
JayF | perfect | 05:45 |
jroll | devananda: maybe? idk if everything is wired up | 05:45 |
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jroll | people can ignore me if I'm wrong :P | 05:46 |
naohirot | JayF: :) | 05:46 |
devananda | jroll: | 05:46 |
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devananda | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/kilo/irmc-power-driver.html | 05:46 |
devananda | oops | 05:46 |
devananda | bad paste, but right link | 05:46 |
jroll | devananda: cool, but is there code | 05:46 |
devananda | oh... | 05:47 |
jroll | it's irrelevant for this discussion though | 05:47 |
jroll | ignore me | 05:47 |
devananda | naohirot: does that work for you? just pxe_irmc and agent_irmc for now | 05:48 |
naohirot | devananda: yes | 05:48 |
devananda | #agreed iRMC work to proceed with two drivers (pxe_irmc and agent_irmc) and no vmedia support initially, but that may come later | 05:49 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 05:49 |
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naohirot | devananda: agent_irmc uses virtual media, but pxe_irmc doesn't use virtualmedia. | 05:49 |
lintan_ | wanyen: Hi, do you have time to discuss with secure mode | 05:49 |
wanyen | lintan, sure | 05:49 |
devananda | naohirot: ah, gotcha. that's fine too | 05:50 |
vdrok_ | I have a small question about deploy_key that i put to instance_info during deployment | 05:50 |
devananda | #undo | 05:50 |
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vdrok_ | do we really need it? | 05:50 |
lintan_ | wanyen: first, do you think is it necessary to have one interface for secure boot or trust boot? | 05:50 |
devananda | #agreed correction - agent_irmc will use vmedia, and pxe_irmc will not | 05:50 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 05:50 |
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jroll | vdrok_: I'm not aware of this, isn't that something ironic puts in? | 05:50 |
jroll | vdrok_: (or it doesn't go there at all) | 05:50 |
wanyen | lintan, no I don't think so. I thin make them seprate will be more clear | 05:51 |
vdrok_ | jroll, yes, but it's checked only here - https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L220-L221 | 05:51 |
wanyen | s/thin/think | 05:51 |
naohirot | devananda: Just make sure there is no misunderstainding. agent_irmc and iscsi_irmc use virtual media, pxe_irmc doesn't use virtual media. | 05:51 |
vdrok_ | which is called on continue_deploy | 05:51 |
vdrok_ | and it seems that it can't really change | 05:51 |
lintan_ | wanyen: but they are very similar and work for the same goal | 05:51 |
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jroll | vdrok_: right, that's a pxe driver thing, I'm not sure what it does though | 05:52 |
jroll | vdrok_: but I thought ironic puts it there automatically | 05:52 |
devananda | vdrok_: it is created here: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L336 | 05:52 |
jroll | vdrok_: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py#L334-338 | 05:52 |
wanyen | lintan, they protect bare-metal node at differnt phases and user may want to be sure what they will have | 05:52 |
devananda | vdrok_: and lives only temporarily -- just for the duration of that deploy ramdisk | 05:52 |
vdrok_ | devananda, yes | 05:53 |
vdrok_ | devananda, but do we need it actually? | 05:53 |
devananda | vdrok_: it is used as a very crude authentication method | 05:53 |
devananda | vdrok_: the deploy ramdisk POSTs it back | 05:53 |
devananda | and ironic validates it | 05:53 |
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jroll | devananda: doesn't the keystone token cover auth? | 05:53 |
wanyen | lintan, for security feature I think it's importatn for user to know what they end up with, either trusted boot or secure boot | 05:53 |
devananda | gah. it's late. I mean authorization | 05:54 |
jroll | mmm | 05:54 |
devananda | jroll: you're correct - keystone token covers authentication. this token authorizes that deploy ramdisk to receive the instance image | 05:54 |
jroll | huh | 05:54 |
devananda | because, presumably, no other ramdisk received *taht* token on boot | 05:54 |
jroll | I guess that's useful | 05:54 |
devananda | even if other ramdisks received the same keystone token | 05:55 |
lintan_ | wanyen, we can left the choice for user, but from perspective of Ironic, they are same | 05:55 |
lintan_ | wanyen, similar I mean, they can share a interface | 05:56 |
devananda | it's not all that secure, but it's better than not having it. I would much rather inject some key material over the OOB (vmedia) channel ... but that's not possible with standard IPMI in any way I know of | 05:56 |
vdrok_ | devananda, but it can change only if user will explicitly change it in instance_info? | 05:57 |
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wanyen | lintan, I would like ot use r differnt flavors for trusted boot vs secure boot. | 05:57 |
devananda | vdrok_: it does not change | 05:57 |
vdrok_ | oh, right, its internal | 05:57 |
wanyen | lintan, for managerinterface, we can discuss what would be best : eitehr to have two interfaces or one | 05:57 |
devananda | vdrok_: it is created by the PXE driver during deploy, then deleted when the deploy is done | 05:57 |
devananda | right | 05:57 |
lintan_ | wanyen, different flavor is OK with me | 05:57 |
jroll | does trusted boot imply secure boot? | 05:58 |
jroll | (just curious) | 05:58 |
lintan_ | wanyen, we still need to save extra spec in ironic db | 05:58 |
stendulker | lintan: falvor would be better choice as user would know what he wants | 05:58 |
lintan_ | jroll: yes trusted boot are secure boot as well | 05:58 |
jroll | stendulker: (or she) | 05:58 |
stendulker | jroll: he :) | 05:59 |
jroll | ... | 05:59 |
wanyen | lintan, flavor will be passed as part of the instance_info ti ironic | 05:59 |
jroll | anyway, I think our time is up | 05:59 |
devananda | yep | 05:59 |
jroll | wanyen: ironic doesn't know about flavors | 05:59 |
rameshg87 | i had one item for open discussion :( | 05:59 |
stendulker | jroll : Trusted and secure boot differ and they work bit differently but try to achieve the same goal of having uncompromised OS image | 05:59 |
rameshg87 | i was waiting for these to complete | 05:59 |
devananda | rameshg87: we started open discussion 10 minutes ago ... | 06:00 |
jroll | stendulker: right | 06:00 |
wanyen | jroll, I meant flavor will be copied into instance_info/capabilities | 06:00 |
rameshg87 | devananda, i was waiting to avoid chaos | 06:00 |
devananda | rameshg87: embrace the chaos :) | 06:00 |
jroll | heh | 06:00 |
devananda | rameshg87: or bring it up on the mailing list? | 06:00 |
naohirot | rameshg87: :) | 06:00 |
mrda | rameshg87: to the channel then :) | 06:00 |
devananda | also, we're out of time | 06:00 |
devananda | thanks everyone! | 06:00 |
mrda | thanks devananda! | 06:00 |
jroll | thanks folks :D | 06:00 |
devananda | #endmeeting | 06:01 |
lintan_ | thanks | 06:01 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-20-05.00.html | 06:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-20-05.00.txt | 06:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-20-05.00.log.html | 06:01 |
wanyen | #openstack-ironic | 06:03 |
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sarob | Morning all | 16:59 |
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sarob | Thinhichs, arosen, ayip are all out today | 17:01 |
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sarob | Morning congress team | 17:01 |
sarob | Roll call | 17:01 |
alexsyip | I'm here | 17:02 |
sarob | Cool | 17:02 |
alexsyip | I can't make it to the office by 9am, so I use irc from home. | 17:02 |
sarob | Who else is here for the congress meeting | 17:02 |
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sarob | Alexsip no prob | 17:02 |
jwy | I'm here | 17:03 |
sarob | Morn key | 17:03 |
sarob | Morn jwy | 17:03 |
sarob | Spell chk | 17:03 |
jwy | good morning | 17:03 |
sarob | Cloudtoad? | 17:04 |
sarob | Kiran? | 17:04 |
sarob | Well let's start then | 17:04 |
sarob | Let's go with abrev'd updates | 17:05 |
sarob | Alexsyip go first? | 17:05 |
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sarob | Looks like lost alexsyip | 17:06 |
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sarob | Jwy you update? | 17:07 |
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jwy | met with some folks last week to brainstorm how the policy creation UI could look like in Horizon | 17:07 |
jwy | there are a couple things that still need to be worked out more | 17:07 |
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jwy | I'll use what we came up with so far and then try to fill in the gaps from that | 17:08 |
jwy | did some code reviews | 17:09 |
jwy | I think that's about it | 17:09 |
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alexsyip | I worked on the performance of initializing congress tables from a datasource | 17:09 |
sarob | Quick summary of the ideas and what you settled on jwy | 17:10 |
sarob | Jwy for the log | 17:10 |
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jwy | the creation process is broken into three steps | 17:10 |
jwy | 1. "if": select the tables you're interested in and the columns from those tables | 17:11 |
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jwy | 2. "where": any constraints, just as table joins (column a equals column b) | 17:11 |
jwy | 3. "then": build the result table, and select which of the columns from those available that you want in there | 17:11 |
jwy | basically, a form like the rules editor you might see in a mail client | 17:12 |
jwy | some of the fields will be dynamically populated based on other choices, and some will have autocompletion, to help pick values | 17:12 |
jwy | make sense? | 17:12 |
sarob | Yup to me | 17:13 |
sarob | Any questions team? | 17:13 |
sarob | Do you think this needs to be a spec | 17:14 |
sarob | Or just a code patch? | 17:14 |
jwy | an example of something that still needs to be worked out is what to do with tables whose columns don't have names | 17:14 |
jwy | i'll add these details to the existing spec | 17:14 |
sarob | Cool | 17:15 |
sarob | Anything else? | 17:16 |
sarob | #action jwy to update the existing horizon table spec | 17:17 |
jwy | that's it | 17:17 |
sarob | Alexsyip you're up | 17:17 |
sarob | Alexsyip it looked like you dropped | 17:17 |
sarob | Alexsyip so we continued on | 17:18 |
alexsyip | ok | 17:18 |
alexsyip | I was working on performance improvements | 17:18 |
alexsyip | for importing the initial table contents from a datasource driver. | 17:18 |
alexsyip | I made a few small changes that speed things up. | 17:18 |
alexsyip | I forget what the improvement was, but I think it was something between 3 to 10x faster | 17:19 |
sarob | Alexsyip oh that's all | 17:19 |
sarob | ;) | 17:19 |
alexsyip | We were generating a UUID for each row ( that turns out to be expensive) | 17:19 |
alexsyip | We were also computing a row has using a long process of creating a string, and then taking the hash of the string. | 17:20 |
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alexsyip | So I changed that to compute a hash using a python-tuple instead. | 17:20 |
alexsyip | And then I started caching the hash values. | 17:20 |
alexsyip | I think that's all. | 17:20 |
alexsyip | The next thing I'll look at is memory consumption of table rows. | 17:20 |
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sarob | Cool | 17:22 |
sarob | Who's next | 17:22 |
sarob | Radu_ | 17:23 |
sarob | Madhuhuman? | 17:23 |
sarob | Samta | 17:24 |
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sarob | Seeing if I can get cloudtoad to join us | 17:25 |
sarob | Hold on a minute | 17:26 |
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sarob | Looks like he's stuck doing something else | 17:28 |
sarob | Anyone have design summit talks planned? | 17:28 |
jwy | eric lopez wants to apply to give a congress hands-on-lab | 17:30 |
sarob | Jwy it sound good | 17:31 |
jwy | sarob, do you know him? | 17:31 |
sarob | I do | 17:31 |
sarob | I've been discussing training and congress | 17:31 |
sarob | Jacob introduced me first day | 17:31 |
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jwy | ok, cool | 17:32 |
sarob | Elo you there! | 17:32 |
rajdeepd | hi | 17:32 |
rajdeepd | i would also like to apply in helping for congress hands on lab | 17:33 |
sarob | Rajeepd certainly | 17:33 |
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sarob | I am circulating ideas within Emc and VMware | 17:34 |
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sarob | I will be posting publicly tomorrow | 17:34 |
sarob | What talks we have planned | 17:34 |
sarob | Anyone is welcome to help speak | 17:35 |
sarob | Voting up the talks and joining us are also welcome | 17:35 |
sarob | Pls offer up congress or other ideas if you have them | 17:36 |
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sarob | Either here, email, or tweet | 17:36 |
sarob | So others can weigh in | 17:37 |
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sarob | And you can get help | 17:37 |
sarob | That's all I have | 17:38 |
sarob | #action alexsyip working on table memory use | 17:39 |
sarob | #action sarob will blog post on planned summit talks | 17:39 |
sarob | Okey dokey | 17:39 |
sarob | I guess we can close early | 17:40 |
sarob | When you speak with other team members | 17:40 |
sarob | Remind them that irc meet attendance is important | 17:40 |
sarob | I'll make some inquires as well | 17:41 |
sarob | Cheers people | 17:41 |
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sarob | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
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briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 19:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:00 |
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stevelle | Steve Lewis, Rackspace | 19:02 |
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terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:04 |
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briancurtin | sigmavirus24: here? | 19:05 |
sigmavirus24 | sorry, yes | 19:05 |
sigmavirus24 | Ian Cordasco, Rackspace | 19:05 |
briancurtin | anyway, i put together a smallish agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2015-01-20_1900_UTC | 19:05 |
briancurtin | #topic CDN progress | 19:05 |
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briancurtin | so i put the resources up for the CDN service, but i can't test them just yet. that depends on having Rackspace auth done (which is in progress) since it's not installable in devstack. i left it as Workflow-1 for now, but i think it's complete | 19:06 |
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briancurtin | i got the Rackspace auth plugin started, but it's inside the sdk repo while i figure it out. it seems to work fine, and allows me to use a connection to list compute servers, so i think it's working. just need to figure out how it will actually work living outside of the repo (https://github.com/briancurtin/python-openstacksdk/commit/2426aa925d9ecf875647d4a1903febd4ceb089a4 has a working copy) | 19:08 |
sigmavirus24 | I haven't had the chance to look at the Poppy/CDN work yet but I will later this week probably | 19:08 |
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briancurtin | i'm thinking one thing that should be in the SDK tree is that an entry_point will have to be listed in setup.cfg for this rackspace auth plugin, but actual code will live elsewhere. i think that's the way to do it | 19:09 |
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briancurtin | then for starters, install SDK, install rackspace-auth, and then you can do some stuff. we've talked about this in the past, but it would be great (later on) to have the ability to package everything together | 19:11 |
briancurtin | also brings up the eventual topic of testing provider specific drivers and how that works | 19:11 |
briancurtin | i dont know if that falls under the third-party testing things i've read about with projects like neutron testing network vendors things | 19:12 |
stevelle | seems like it would to me | 19:13 |
sigmavirus24 | I haven't looked into that much either, but that sounds right. terrylhowe might know more? | 19:13 |
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terrylhowe | I thought some other folks were against have vendor specific stuff in the sdk | 19:14 |
terrylhowe | I’m not necessarily against it, but I thought some people didn’t want that | 19:14 |
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briancurtin | terrylhowe: it wouldn't live inside the SDK, i just did it that way for now so i could test it easily and make sure it works. it'll eventually move it into some other repo | 19:15 |
terrylhowe | Fog is that way, where there is vendor specific stuff in the code | 19:15 |
terrylhowe | ah, okay | 19:15 |
briancurtin | i'm not opposed to it, but i remember some strong opposition. it would make it nice to keep everything together, but then people didn't like vendors polluting the upstream-ness of the project, etc | 19:16 |
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terrylhowe | Well, the Fog project became a bit bloated and I think they split things up a bit | 19:16 |
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sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: poppy is a stackforge project still, right? | 19:17 |
briancurtin | sigmavirus24: yes | 19:17 |
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stevelle | I think having vendor specifics separated will make things easier in the long term, but does incur a cost in the short term | 19:17 |
briancurtin | the major thing to me with vendor things living separately is still making it possible to bundle them all together and have (as an option) a way to get the SDK with plugins | 19:18 |
terrylhowe | I was thinking I’d put out some hp extension of some sort, but there would probably be changes to the SDK to support the integration | 19:18 |
terrylhowe | yes briancurtin | 19:18 |
sigmavirus24 | so packaging can take care of all of that | 19:18 |
stevelle | what sigmavirus24 said | 19:18 |
sigmavirus24 | it will make it confusing about where the right place to report a bug might be but I think we can package our way out of that | 19:19 |
sigmavirus24 | What we probably need to avoid is another oslo.* problem though in which some pieces get installed as editable and that causes namespace problems | 19:19 |
sigmavirus24 | But that would be the "easiest" way forward | 19:19 |
sigmavirus24 | That's all tangential to the topic at hand though | 19:20 |
terrylhowe | openstack.hp openstack.rax something like that? | 19:20 |
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terrylhowe | I haven’t given much thought to the namespace issues | 19:21 |
sigmavirus24 | Might be better to continue this in #openstack-sdks since we're almost at half-time | 19:21 |
briancurtin | terrylhowe: i'll take a look at how to organize that once i get a little further along with this CDN stuff, since i think i'll hit this | 19:21 |
briancurtin | #topic object_store proxy | 19:22 |
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terrylhowe | cool, briancurtin | 19:22 |
briancurtin | is there any strong objection to me pushing this on and then moving onto part 2, making it easier to work with header values and such, basically adding handling of kwargs from one of my big comments in teh review | 19:22 |
sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: not sure I have the context for this discussion | 19:23 |
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terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ this one? | 19:24 |
briancurtin | sigmavirus24: it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ - mostly the discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/8/openstack/object_store/v1/_proxy.py | 19:24 |
sigmavirus24 | ah | 19:25 |
terrylhowe | I thought we were done with that one | 19:25 |
terrylhowe | you created a couple tickets on some issues as I recall, wasn’t that for this one? | 19:25 |
briancurtin | terrylhowe: ah, that was pagination, which i need to finish tests for. also two smaller issues that should happen outside of this, specific to object_store, but not to the proxy | 19:27 |
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sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I thought https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147914/ was teh solution | 19:27 |
briancurtin | oh yeah, there's that one. if that's good, i already made that a dependency of the object_store change, so it'd be ready to go | 19:29 |
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briancurtin | if not, will adjust accordingly...not trying to hold it hostage :) | 19:31 |
terrylhowe | seems like some of the approaches with swift are different than we do it elsewhere. that being said swift is different. | 19:32 |
* notmyname sees "swift" | 19:32 | |
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briancurtin | terrylhowe: what do you mean? | 19:32 |
terrylhowe | and I’d like to get this stuff through too | 19:32 |
terrylhowe | like the resource.from_id method, the examples are different too | 19:33 |
terrylhowe | the whole notion of supporting a class at the proxy level | 19:33 |
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terrylhowe | I hate to keep brining up Fog, but they do that where you can pass in an id or a class | 19:35 |
terrylhowe | kind of cool feature, but we don’t do that for any of the other services I don’t think | 19:35 |
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briancurtin | as far as i know they're all up in teh air. if the way we do the object_store proxy turns out to be a good idea, i'd love to apply it to everything else, or whichever turns out to be a good high-level view | 19:36 |
terrylhowe | I’d like consistency I’m flexible on the features we provide | 19:36 |
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briancurtin | i'm looking at the object_store one as a test. i need to build out the example script a bit more and try to build someting real world and see how it works. a lot of the other proxies are very thin layers that just maintain your session, which i dont think go far enough, so we could play with any of them in order to figure this out | 19:38 |
terrylhowe | yeh, they are thin | 19:39 |
briancurtin | i think it's a good place to try and make things easier within the confines of one service. then there's the layer we talked about in the past like monty's Shade (i think it's called that), with the "give me a server with a floating ip attached and i dont care how" | 19:41 |
briancurtin | that's probably more of where we'll run into those vendor namespacing things, but anyway | 19:41 |
briancurtin | terrylhowe: i'd like to take a few cuts at another service's proxy to see how it can be shaped, so i might come out with another one. i think i mentioned compute/network in the past anyway, so i might go that route | 19:42 |
terrylhowe | yeh, in those areas, there is a lot of potential for higher level proxy methods than currently provided | 19:44 |
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briancurtin | sigmavirus24: any interest in stretching your image proxy beyond what it is? if not, can be handled later | 19:45 |
sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: No objections from me | 19:46 |
briancurtin | sigmavirus24: as in you are personally interested in toying with the interface, or you're cool with that being done to it? | 19:47 |
sigmavirus24 | I'm interested in doing it | 19:47 |
briancurtin | awesome | 19:47 |
briancurtin | go for it | 19:47 |
briancurtin | anything else going on? | 19:48 |
terrylhowe | Nothing here. I’ll have a fix out for that image version problem this week is all from me. | 19:49 |
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terrylhowe | the endpoint with no version in the service catalog that is | 19:49 |
sigmavirus24 | interesting | 19:49 |
briancurtin | cool, looking forward to that. have been thinking about it but havent written anything | 19:49 |
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briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 19:52:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2015/python_openstacksdk.2015-01-20-19.00.html | 19:52 |
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