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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 16:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| yolanda | hi | 16:00 |
| jedimike | o/ | 16:00 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | ohai | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last Week (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:00 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions From Last Week (storyboard-dev.openstack.org) | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions From Last Week (storyboard-dev.openstack.org) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:01 | |
| * fungi is lurking | 16:01 | |
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| krotscheck | https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/ appears to be up, with a bit of a gotcha on how we built it. | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | (DNS may not be there yet, the IP is at 104.130.158.229 | 16:01 |
| fungi | yeah, i think the review to add it still needs approval. i thought i deleted the server though after we confirmed it worked | 16:02 |
| rcarrillocruz | helo helo | 16:02 |
| * krotscheck may be lying. | 16:02 | |
| fungi | last i looked, i was the only +2 on the review still | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, it’s gone. | 16:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 16:02 |
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| fungi | now that we've tested that it's sufficient, once the review merges i'll launch another from the tip of master in that repo | 16:02 |
| fungi | and add it to dns, et cetera | 16:03 |
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| krotscheck | The issue in question is that the SSL certificate for the server is the snakeoil cert, which requires manual approval. Unfortunately, when consuming the API from docs-draft.openstack.org (our client draft build) the user will not be presented with the browser’s approval dialog, and the API calls will silently fail. | 16:03 |
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| rcarrillocruz | huh | 16:03 |
| fungi | what? | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Because all those calls are AJAX. | 16:04 |
| yolanda | so we need to generate a valid cert? | 16:04 |
| fungi | oh, so that's what you were trying to explain last week | 16:04 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: Yep. | 16:04 |
| fungi | you skipped those words | 16:04 |
| yolanda | or is there any option in the api to bypass cert validation? | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | That’s a browser thing. | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | fungi: I was drawing scrabble letters at the time :) | 16:05 |
| fungi | k | 16:05 |
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| yolanda | ah, krotscheck, i remember that | 16:05 |
| yolanda | and not tricky to make that trust, right? | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:05 |
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| fungi | but yeah, that makes sense that serving the web front-end from one server and then doing ajax to a separate server without a trusted cert could pose an issue | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Now, we could ourselves just all add it to our operating system’s insert-keychain-implementation-here, and not hve to worry about it. | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | But that’s a manual step that I’m not a huge fan of. | 16:06 |
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| yolanda | krotscheck, maybe documenting that would help | 16:06 |
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| yolanda | so end users know that this problem exists | 16:06 |
| fungi | well, we could buy a cert for it if we really need to. just trying to think of alternatives | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Second option is we issue a cert from https://www.cacert.org/ | 16:07 |
| fungi | it'll be the same issue | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | And have everyone install that root certificate. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Third option is just do API calls via HTTP | 16:07 |
| fungi | i was thinking about that | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Which I’m mostly ok with, because it’s dev. | 16:07 |
| fungi | do we serve the current draft webui via https? | 16:08 |
| yolanda | +1 for http | 16:08 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there is some option to run chrome ignoring certificate issues | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Checking | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | even for ajax | 16:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | i think there are even extensions for that | 16:08 |
| yolanda | if we grab a cert from a not general trusted CA, we'll have same problem | 16:08 |
| fungi | if the front-end is http, then doing the ajax over https is sort of silly anyway | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Looks that way | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/18/145918/1/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/96dcd7c//dist/#!/ | 16:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | i remember using something similar on Firefox for this problem, MiTM was called or smth like that | 16:08 |
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| fungi | yeah, let's switch storyboard-dev to support api over http then | 16:09 |
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| krotscheck | That seems sane. | 16:10 |
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| fungi | we can leave it serving the https front-end too and just drop the redirect | 16:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm ok with that | 16:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mitm-me/ | 16:10 |
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| krotscheck | Any disagreements? | 16:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | niet | 16:10 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'm cool with HTTP | 16:10 |
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| rcarrillocruz | it's dev after all | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Have storyboard-dev.openstack.org serve up http to avoid x-domain cert approval issues. | 16:11 |
| fungi | since authentication for docs-draft is redirecting to https at launchpad.net it's not like it's exposing your credentials anyway | 16:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | nod | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week: Streaming API | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last Week: Streaming API (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:11 | |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: How’s it going? | 16:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | so | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | i can now auth with a bearer token | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | w00t | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | i modified websocket-client to accept request headers | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | and now the websocket opens | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | it checks for bearer | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | if ok, go on | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | if not, websocket is closed | 16:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | action items for me: | 16:12 |
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| rcarrillocruz | 1. handle expired token | 16:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | 2. subscription engine (krotscheck i've seen you worked on some event api this week, don't want to step into your work) | 16:13 |
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| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Yeah, I’ll talk about that later. | 16:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | 3. handle the case where a connection is dropped and client requests to replay history ( just saw your update on the spec) | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Thanks :D | 16:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | 3 will be interesting :P | 16:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | i assume we need a persistent queue or something | 16:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | and have client queues to pull events from that one or something | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: yeah, I don’t know how I’d do that either. | 16:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | that or put some caching | 16:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm leaving the ops stuff of handling tornado behind apache to pass thru websockets for later | 16:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | when i have the whole thing i'll create a puppet change for that if that is ok | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | Absolutely | 16:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | cool | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: long time ago there was an idea to set up distributed caching for tokens, to reduce the db requests amount | 16:15 |
| NikitaKonovalov | maybe it't time to have one for keeping some latest events | 16:16 |
| rcarrillocruz | hmm, ok, i'll check later with you on #storyboard for that spec if it's around, it may help me to get ideas | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | It might just be easiest to expose the rabbit sockets and let third party clients declare their queue parameters themsevels. | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week: Event API Documentation | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | So, i went down a rabbit hole with that one. | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | After writing 800 lines of tests, I realized that nobody in their right mind is ever going to review that. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | So I started breaking it up. | 16:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | haha | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | Mind you, the coverage is AMAZING | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | So I started to pull the individual pieces of that patch into separate patches. | 16:20 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, much easier to review now, yes | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | Things start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145874/ | 16:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | krotscheck: are you working on the data that is returned per event? right now we don't return the data expected per the pubsub spec, e.g. timestamp, resource parents, etc | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Not yet, no. In fact I’m not even thinking of the pubsub spec. | 16:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | ok, so can i work on that? | 16:21 |
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| rcarrillocruz | don't want to duplicate efforts if you will... | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | What would that involve? | 16:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | mainly the data returned. From what I see your change is about the interface exposed | 16:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | before starting the subscription engine, i need events to print out actors, timestamps, parents, etc | 16:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | so i can subscribe to interesting things | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Right. The original patch assumed that the event would also contain any entity content _before_ it was modified, as well as what it looks like afterwards. | 16:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | rather than just 'subscribe to tasks' or 'subscribe to stories' as is now... | 16:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah, gotcha | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | But I ran into a problem with that, because our db sessions are created/destroyed per query rather than per http request, and thus resolving the current resource would add yet another DB call. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | And I don’t really think that’s sustainable over the long run. | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, that’s the update on that. | 16:25 |
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| krotscheck | I’m actually going to suspend work on this until I get email out the door. | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | Because that’s WAY overdue now and I feel super guilty about it. | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone have any major problems that need work? | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | Oh yeah: Go vote for the Board. We need quorum. Vote for whoever you want, but we need quorum. | 16:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | i found some issue this week in the token UI screen, i generate a token and it's shown, reload page and it's no longer there | 16:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | i need to confirm that's a bug or something i'm missing | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Do you have more than 10 tokens? | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | (expired ones) | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | i see a bunch of them, yeah, expired | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | In the past, issues like that have been because we don’t have paging yet. | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | but if i delete all expired | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | i don't see the valid ones | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | huhn. | 16:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: I'll check that | 16:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | anyways, not really urgent | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Got it. Can you file a story? | 16:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll look into more detail, i just took the token from the accesstoken table and moved on | 16:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 16:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | also, i suspect we do some sort of truncate on token validation | 16:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | i.e. | 16:28 |
| rcarrillocruz | on my websocket tests | 16:28 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i passed an entire token string as request header | 16:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | and got authenticated | 16:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | i removed last char from token to force an auth fail | 16:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | and i got authed! | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | .... | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | That’s not good. | 16:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | so i suspect we look at the beginning of the token or something | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | not good at all | 16:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will also file a story on that | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, I think that’s an urgent item. | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the tokens are checked as full string | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | at least should be | 16:30 |
| * NikitaKonovalov checking | 16:30 | |
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| krotscheck | Ok, let’s move on to user feedback while he’s doing that. | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback. | 16:31 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone get user feedback? | 16:31 |
| rcarrillocruz | niet | 16:32 |
| yolanda | no | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:32 |
| rcarrillocruz | krotscheck , NikitaKonovalov, yolanda: apart from websocket, is there any pending task that I could have a look at ? | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Check the roadmap. Maybe task ordering? | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Roadmap | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Also, we’ve got two specs almost ready for development. | 16:34 |
| rcarrillocruz | so there's a roadmap! | 16:34 |
| * rcarrillocruz bookmarks | 16:34 | |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Yep :) | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topic | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion Topic (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:34 | |
| ttx | rcarrillocruz: there is even a Vision! | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | I’m going to bump ttx up on this, because of what rcarrillocruz just said. | 16:35 |
| ttx | We just need a mission statement now. | 16:35 |
| rcarrillocruz | heh | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | ttx: And a statement of values. | 16:35 |
| ttx | krotscheck: that too! | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Milestones | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139626 | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | LGTM | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | My only question on it is whether a mileston’s branch_id is optional, but that’s really an implementation detail. | 16:36 |
| yolanda | +1 | 16:36 |
| * krotscheck read it this morning. | 16:36 | |
| krotscheck | Given all the +1’s on it I feel this spec’s ready. Any disagreements? | 16:37 |
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| rcarrillocruz | lgtm | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Coolio | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | #agreed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139626 is ready | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Paging | 16:39 |
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| ttx | yeepee | 16:39 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike: We’re getting a lot of UI bugs on the lack of paging controls in the UI. If I put a pager onto our search results, are you ok with your paging changes having additional UI scope? | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | i.e. If I fix the short term pain point, do you mind updating things later? | 16:40 |
| jedimike | krotscheck, fine with me! | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Coolio. | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | jedimike: Back from being on call? :) | 16:41 |
| jedimike | jedimike, nearly :) still dealing with some tickets from last week that I got into the middle of but couldn't resolve | 16:41 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike: Righto. Well, we should be expecting big things from you by the end of the week, right? | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | jedimike: You’ll have storybaord ported to go by then I expect. | 16:42 |
| jedimike | haha | 16:42 |
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| jedimike | go? no, rust! | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | Rust it is! | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Story Types | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Story Types (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:43 | |
| krotscheck | ttx: Now that we know what Milestones are, and what branches are, time to talk about types again! | 16:43 |
| ttx | yay | 16:44 |
| ttx | was waiting for more comments on my patchset3 | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Anything you want to highlight? | 16:45 |
| ttx | krotscheck: instead of hardcoding story types, the spec is now determining a set of attributes that story types may have | 16:46 |
| ttx | which is way more flexible | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Just from that description I really like it. | 16:47 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, sounds like no real discussion to be had there, we’ll just keep it on gerrit. | 16:47 |
| ttx | ack | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda, rcarrillocruz, NikitaKonovalov, we’ll need to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129267/ soon. | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129267/ | 16:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | agreed, will do | 16:48 |
| yolanda | actually i filed some comments | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | #topic In progress work (email) | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In progress work (email) (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:48 | |
| * NikitaKonovalov added reviewers | 16:49 | |
| krotscheck | We finally have all the data in events so I can build build all the things. | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | So I think I finally have all the pieces I need. Yay spam! | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | See more updates this week :) | 16:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | awesome! | 16:49 |
| yolanda | := | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #topic In progress: User Auth Token | 16:49 |
| yolanda | :) | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | Done! Apprently bugg. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | *buggy | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | Will look into that. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress: Tags | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress: Tags (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:50 | |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: How’s that coming? | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh | 16:50 |
| NikitaKonovalov | finalyy rebased that after all conflicts | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | is that putting stories 'low-hanging-fruit' and the likes? | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Yep. | 16:50 |
| NikitaKonovalov | testing coverage in progress as ruhe asked | 16:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | nice | 16:50 |
| * krotscheck likes how we’re getting dilligent about tests. | 16:51 | |
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| krotscheck | #topic In Progress: Python SDK | 16:51 |
| * NikitaKonovalov is trying not to forget tests in client | 16:51 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress: Python SDK (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:51 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | teams with nested users on review | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Neat! | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | base classes are also waiting for feedback | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Are you aware of python-storyboardclient | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | ? | 16:52 |
| * NikitaKonovalov will try storyboad-core to reviewers all at onece. Hope that works | 16:53 | |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138092/ | 16:53 |
| ttx | krotscheck: no... | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | ttx: More code to review :D | 16:53 |
| ttx | sounds like a project I should add to my watchlist :) | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Yep | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | Also, yolanda’s +lots on core, so we’re just waiting on jeblair to get around to updating gerrit. | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | So that should also speed things up. | 16:55 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, willing to help | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress: Configurable Task Status | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress: Configurable Task Status (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:55 | |
| krotscheck | yolanda: ? | 16:55 |
| yolanda | on core tasks | 16:55 |
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| yolanda | this needs review | 16:56 |
| yolanda | i was adding incremental changes to it, i got +2 from ttx today | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | Lik? | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | Link? | 16:57 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138389/ | 16:57 |
| yolanda | looks as i need to rebase it | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 16:57 |
| krotscheck | #topic In Progress: backend preferences | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress: backend preferences (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:58 | |
| krotscheck | Also yolanda :) | 16:58 |
| yolanda | pending on review as well | 16:58 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/137798 | 16:58 |
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| yolanda | and needs rebase | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | Neat. | 16:59 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, actually we needed to talk about best way to manage prefs here | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | We’re running out of time. Channel? | 16:59 |
| yolanda | sure | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | That’s it, everyone, thanks! | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 17:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-01-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you krotscheck | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 12 17:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | \o | 17:00 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
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| devananda | g'morning / afternoon / evening, all | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | morning here :) | 17:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:01 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Nisha | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda can be found here - | 17:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| clif_h | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| Shrews | morning | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | oh rloo has a v6 ip neat | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:01 |
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| rloo | I do? (oh yeah, I'm hip...) | 17:02 |
| devananda | I left several of the items from last week's meeting on there - it was our first post-holiday meeting, and I'd like to at least touch on everything again since many of the usual folks weren't there | 17:02 |
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| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
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| devananda | probably the only announcement from me is the midcycle(s) | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: is there a list of who is going to which meetup? | 17:03 |
| * NobodyCam assumes both are official now? | 17:04 | |
| devananda | NobodyCam: not yet - but there are meetup sites that folks should be signing up at | 17:04 |
| devananda | (apologies for being a bit slow - my links are missing ...) | 17:04 |
| Shrews | is the SF one actually going to happen then? | 17:04 |
| devananda | yep | 17:05 |
| jroll | yes! | 17:05 |
| devananda | Rackspace is hosting another sprint in the SF bay area the week after the Grenoble sprint | 17:05 |
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| jroll | all y'all should come visit us | 17:05 |
| devananda | since there are a lot of folks who apparently can't make it | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: the j's are holding it weather its official or not as I understand it | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:05 |
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| Shrews | awesome | 17:06 |
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| devananda | jroll: didn't ya'll post something on the ML ? | 17:06 |
| jroll | devananda: I think just the wiki | 17:06 |
| jroll | I could email | 17:06 |
| devananda | oh - right | 17:06 |
| devananda | that's why I cant find the link | 17:06 |
| jroll | I don't have an eventbrite or anything, unclear if I should | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ That would be good I think | 17:06 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/IronicKiloSprint | 17:07 |
| devananda | details are there | 17:07 |
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| devananda | grenoble meetup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ironic-kilo-midcycle-sprint-in-grenoble-tickets-15082886319 | 17:07 |
| devananda | SF meetup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ironic-kilo-midcycle-sprint-in-san-francisco-tickets-15184923515 | 17:07 |
| jroll | oh, there is an eventbrite! | 17:07 |
| jroll | awesome | 17:07 |
| JayF | I can try and add more information to that wiki if desired, or if anyone has questions about the area feel free to ask in channel and we'll help. | 17:07 |
| devananda | phew :) I knew I'd seen it | 17:07 |
| Shrews | jroll: suggested accomodations would be great | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: ++ | 17:08 |
| jroll | JayF: ^ | 17:08 |
| devananda | I'll be going to both, but that's not expected of anyone else | 17:08 |
| JayF | Shrews: I'll make a note to add those after the meeting. We have a couple of suggested hotels but anything near transit or in SoMA/Financial District will be close :) | 17:08 |
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| devananda | #info both Grenoble and SF Bay area meetups are on. Details on the above link. | 17:09 |
| devananda | that's all for my announcements | 17:09 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 17:09 |
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| NobodyCam | nothing from /me this time | 17:09 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks for updating the bug stats | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | looks like a couple of the updates didn't make it to the white board this time | 17:10 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | np, sorry for being inactive with bugs for some time | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | also, there're some bugs, that require deep though, I left them as NEW for now | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: you are allowed to take some PTO .... now an then | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:11 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I cleared the whiteboard this time... some sections were feeling stale | 17:11 |
| devananda | wanyen: congrats on getting the nova spec landed. is there code up for that on both nova and ironic sides? | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 17:11 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:11 |
| wanyen | deva, yes. code changes to nova ironic virt driver is up for review. | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: link? | 17:12 |
| wanyen | let me find the link | 17:12 |
| Nisha | NobodyCam, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141012/ | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141012 | 17:13 |
| devananda | jroll, jayf: I see the IPA's API breaking change mentioned here. has that landed now? | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | Ty Nisha | 17:13 |
| Nisha | NobodyCam, https://review.openstack.org/141010 | 17:13 |
| jroll | devananda: yes, it's landed | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/141010 | 17:14 |
| JayF | devananda: yes, after some appreciated input and review from a few interested parties but the design stayed mostly the same | 17:14 |
| JayF | thanks for those who reviewed that | 17:14 |
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| devananda | #info non-backwards-compatible change in ironic-python-agent API landed, as per discussion from prior week's meeting. thanks to all who provided feedback. | 17:15 |
| wanyen | link for nova code change for passing flavor to ironic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141012/ | 17:15 |
| devananda | #info need more eyes on bugs - the backlog is growing, and many bug reports are getting stale // need to be re-triaged | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | ^^^ +100 | 17:15 |
| devananda | last meeting, there was also general agreement that we should have a bug day | 17:16 |
| devananda | dtantsur: would you like to organize that? | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: do you have a list of the bug that require deeper thought? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | no problem. e.g. tue and wed work for me | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | *bugs | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, http://ironic-bugs.divius.net/ shows then as NEW | 17:17 |
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| dtantsur | (maybe not all of them, but most) | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: Ack :) | 17:17 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ok, thanks much :) | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | WDYT about bug day on Wed some common time? | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ works for me | 17:18 |
| devananda | I'll be offline most of wednesday. any other day this week wfm | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | then only Tue works for me. what about tomorrow? | 17:19 |
| NobodyCam | I could also make that | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | e.g. the same time as this meeting? | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | is it ok for most folks? | 17:19 |
| jroll | I could make that | 17:19 |
| devananda | wfm | 17:19 |
| rloo | wfm | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) sweet | 17:20 |
| Shrews | ++ | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | #info bug day Tue, 12 Jan 17:00 UTC | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | correct? | 17:20 |
| * dtantsur has problems with time zones | 17:20 | |
| rloo | it isn't the whole day, right? | 17:20 |
| devananda | think so | 17:20 |
| devananda | rloo: hopefully it wont take all day :) | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: looks correct | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | due to time zones, it can't be the whole day | 17:21 |
| devananda | let's move on - we're over 10 minutes for this section | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:21 |
| devananda | #topic current state machine | 17:21 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: I left this on the agenda since there are still open reviews - anything you'd like to discuss? | 17:21 |
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| NobodyCam | nope we are getting eyes on it | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | s/it/them/ | 17:22 |
| devananda | great | 17:22 |
| NobodyCam | ofc the more the merrier | 17:22 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+topic:bp/new-ironic-state-machine,n,z | 17:22 |
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| devananda | anyone have anything to discuss on this right now? | 17:23 |
| devananda | I'll give it another minute, then move on otherwise | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | :) we landed two last week. would love to land the rest this week | 17:24 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 17:24 |
| devananda | #topic IPA Hardware Manager | 17:24 |
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| devananda | oops, skipped one | 17:25 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x3b54f10> | 17:25 |
| jroll | this was discussed last week, it's been done | 17:25 |
| jroll | oh | 17:25 |
| devananda | #topic stable branch maintenance | 17:25 |
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| devananda | this was discussed last week | 17:25 |
| devananda | folks present agreed that we aren't actively supporting Icehouse at this point, but that we should be | 17:25 |
| devananda | publishing our team's stable branch policy officially | 17:26 |
| devananda | and I have that on my TODO list (but not done yet) | 17:26 |
| devananda | just sharing the info - nothing to discuss here on my end | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: we came up with supprt for two cycles basicly | 17:26 |
| rloo | we *should* be supporting icehouse? ugh. | 17:26 |
| devananda | er | 17:26 |
| devananda | I mean we should be publishing our policy | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: not that we should be supporting icehouse | 17:27 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, cuz i think it would be hard to support icehouse | 17:27 |
| devananda | rloo: indeed. and I dont think we should be. | 17:27 |
| devananda | #info devananda to draft a formal policy of support for two cycles, starting with Juno, and publish to wiki | 17:28 |
| devananda | #topic IPA's hardware manager | 17:28 |
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| JayF | This must be an agenda item that never got removed last week. | 17:29 |
| JayF | There shouldn't be a need for further discussion. | 17:29 |
| devananda | ack | 17:29 |
| devananda | skipping it then | 17:29 |
| devananda | #topic driver-specific periodic tasks | 17:29 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: hi! | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | just wanted to ask, if folks are ok with landing periodic tasks temporary using greenthread.spawn_n | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | and then once we get oslo.service work done for parallel periodic tasks, switch to it | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | (that may be pretty late in K cycle) | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | wdyt? | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I agree with jroll's comment -- as long as that doesn't require changes in the drivers themselves, it should be OK | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: jroll: ++ | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | devananda, you mean it does not break existing drivers? well, it does not | 17:31 |
| devananda | oh - not just "no change in driver API" -- I would prefer to see no change in drivers code, actually | 17:31 |
| jroll | right | 17:32 |
| jroll | so there should be some base function to register a peridic task for a driver | 17:32 |
| jroll | drivers use that | 17:32 |
| jroll | the implementation can be changed without drivers knowing | 17:32 |
| devananda | if we add an interface for drivers to register their periodic task, and then later we change how ConductorManager is creating or tracking those tasks | 17:32 |
| jroll | is how I see this working | 17:32 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:32 |
| devananda | that shouldn't require a driver author to change their code a second time | 17:32 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | not even adding 'parallel=True' to e.g. decorator signature? hmm... | 17:33 |
| jroll | dtantsur: that's optional, though, that should be fine | 17:34 |
| jroll | right? | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | yea I think a change of that nature would be ok | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | thats just a bit flip | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | the issue is that we'll probably default to non-parallel periodic tasks, so the worst thing to happen is that they become non-parallel after this switch. | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | and will require adding 'parallel=True' (or something) to signature | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | is it an issue? | 17:35 |
| jroll | why default to non-parallel? | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: you'll first add with parallel = false then just flip it? | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | jroll, it's how it is done right now.. | 17:36 |
| devananda | to preserve current behavior? | 17:36 |
| jroll | ok | 17:36 |
| jroll | just asking :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | I think that's fine | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | well, ok, we can start with having noop parallel=True in these tasks, and then it'll become a proper implementation. | 17:36 |
| jroll | I agree | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | I think I understand now | 17:36 |
| devananda | if the first pass of this functionality doesn't support parallel tasks | 17:36 |
| devananda | then we shouldn't be publishing an interface which makes it appear that it does | 17:37 |
| devananda | either don't expose a "parallel" parameter, or error if =True is passed | 17:37 |
| devananda | for now | 17:37 |
| devananda | I'm fine with *adding* features to it when we switch to oslo | 17:37 |
| devananda | but don't *require* a driver author to change their code at that point | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | sorry just joined... +1 for preserve current behavior. How is the work in oslo going? was it accepted to have parallel periodic tasks there? | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | I was putting it wrong. we can for now simulate parallel=True with spawn_n, that's what I wanted to say | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | so drivers won't be changed | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | sorry for the confusion | 17:38 |
| devananda | ah, ok | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | oh | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, it's blocked by oslo.service graduation | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | and it's not moving fast | 17:38 |
| jroll | dtantsur: can we simulate parallel=False with spawn_n? | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | hmm I see | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yes, by not using it :) | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | just call the function directly - and you get parallel = False | 17:39 |
| jroll | dtantsur: oh, right | 17:39 |
| jroll | ok, so why not support both? | 17:39 |
| jroll | and when we switch to oslo that will also support both? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | now I realize that we should, yes | 17:39 |
| jroll | ok | 17:39 |
| jroll | cool | 17:39 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | I was somewhat confused myself :) | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | thanks all for the feedback! | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:40 |
| devananda | dtantsur: sounds good to me | 17:40 |
| devananda | anything else on this topic? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | nothing from me | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | +1 supporting both seems good | 17:41 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:41 |
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| devananda | wow - almost 20 minutes left for open discussion today! ;) | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: go | 17:41 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, yes | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:41 |
| jroll | this has been an exceptionally productive meeting :D | 17:41 |
| rameshg87 | all, i had mentioned a spec to share boot images for ilo drivers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137291/ | 17:42 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: to your question on the grenoble meetup, I have not had as many signups on eventbrite as I would hope for | 17:42 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: but there are several folks who have msg'd me to confirm but not yet signed up, too ... | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | I started a conversation in channel just before the meeting about the ref_counter on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137291/8/specs/kilo/ilo-drivers-share-boot-images.rst | 17:42 |
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| rameshg87 | instances using same images will have the same kernel/ramdisk and hence can share the same boot iso | 17:42 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ack :) | 17:42 |
| rameshg87 | to track how many instances are currently using the image, i am using a ref counter in Swift and it's modification in Ironic is protected by a lock | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | my concern was that ref_counter could get out of sync | 17:43 |
| NobodyCam | and with the iso name being a hashed value a operator would nover know the image was not needed | 17:44 |
| jroll | so my biggest issue here is this. say changing the ref counter fails or gets out of sync. 1) how does an operator detect this? 2) how does an operator fix this? an operator can't get the same lock the conductor uses, except maybe twiddling the db. | 17:44 |
| jroll | 3) what happens if ref counter goes to 0, ironic cleans up, something is still using it | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | oh I hadn't even gotten to think of #3 | 17:45 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:45 |
| jroll | and it could happen pretty easily | 17:45 |
| devananda | rameshg87: I'd like to understand the use-case here. it doesn't seem like the added complexity is worth it for saving a small amount of space in Swift | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, mentioned enabling deduplication in swift, if the space is what is concerned here | 17:46 |
| jroll | decrement succeeds, http response is dropped, ironic thinks decrement fails, either fails the tear down or decrements again | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | I think it worth investigation, generating the ISO with the same content result in the same output? | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | if so, deduplication would be the right way to do it IMO too | 17:46 |
| rameshg87 | devananda, yeah space was the concern here .. if 100 instances were using the same image, you ideally need to store only one | 17:46 |
| devananda | rameshg87: how large is the image? 50 MB ? | 17:47 |
| rameshg87 | lucasagomes, yeah we can safely assume | 17:47 |
| rameshg87 | sorry i meant to devananda :) | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | np :) | 17:48 |
| rameshg87 | lucasagomes, i am not sure if generating the same iso image twice will result in exactly same copy, thought it should :) | 17:48 |
| devananda | saving a few GB of space in a petabyte-sized swift cluster doesn't seem like a reason to do anything | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | so 50m * 100 instances is not that much space in todays world of multi TB drives | 17:48 |
| devananda | rameshg87: disk storage is cheap. why the concern over saving a few GB ? | 17:49 |
| * jroll wants to share devananda's petabyte cluster with him | 17:49 | |
| lucasagomes | rameshg87, right, we could investigate that... And if that's the case we could include in our documentation about how to enable deduplication in swift (or a link to one) | 17:49 |
| rameshg87 | devananda, lucasagomes, yeah may be i could check on deduplication | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ fpr letting swift handle that | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | *for even | 17:50 |
| rameshg87 | devananda, probably i will check and get back then .. | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: awesome Thank you | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good, thank you rameshg87 | 17:51 |
| rameshg87 | thanks everyone :) | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | any other OD topics? | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, wanna discuss MANAGE[D]? | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | oh, yeah that would be good | 17:52 |
| devananda | ah yea | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | if nobody else has any other topic | 17:52 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146452/ | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | so it's about making the states name in the state machine more consistent | 17:53 |
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| devananda | +1 | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | in the spec we say that we use states names endiging with -ED and -ING for active states (states that transition from other state without an api call) | 17:53 |
| devananda | though there's no MANAGING or MANAGED state, right? | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | the only exception is the MANAGED state with is a passive state | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, no | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | cause it goes from INSPECTING to MANAGED | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | I suggest MANAGEABLE instead :) | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | or ENROLL -> MANAGED | 17:54 |
| rloo | so to avoid confusion, we don't want passive states to end in 'ED', right? | 17:55 |
| devananda | oh, on a related topic, I'd like to s/NOSTATE/AVAILABLE/ this week | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | so, what you guys think? Should we rename it to MANAGE or MANAGEABLE or <something else>... | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah | 17:55 |
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| NobodyCam | I like manage | 17:56 |
| rameshg87 | +1 for MANAGEABLE :) | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 for the AVAILABLE, NOSTATE is complicated... | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, re MANAGE, I feel a bit strange using verbs for static state | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | specially because the value of it is None in the states.py :) | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | manageable seem out of place with the other states to me | 17:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yea. without breaking the API. I may want some help from you | 17:56 |
| rloo | devananda: wrt NOSTATE->AVAILABLE, does that break backwards compatibility? | 17:57 |
| wanyen | deva, +1 for available | 17:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the change needs to work with current Nova driver | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, AVAILABLE looks similar to me | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 cool yeah no problem we can work on that | 17:57 |
| devananda | rloo: it needs to NOT break compat. that's the challenge | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ah good point | 17:57 |
| rloo | devananda: good if it doesn't break compat! | 17:57 |
| devananda | for MANAGED[D], what about UNAVAILABLE ? | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | devananda, sounds like an error... | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 17:58 |
| devananda | right. never mind | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | two minutes | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | yeah sounds like it's off or something | 17:58 |
| rloo | so we go from ENROLL to XYZ (which allows one to do ...) to AVAILABLE | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | I think MANAGEABLE is good, but we can iron out the name after the meeting too. If we agree here that we will change MANAGED its good already | 17:59 |
| devananda | rloo: both MANAGE and RESCUE are verbs, which I think is where your objection stems from? | 17:59 |
| rloo | managed means we can talk to the node? | 17:59 |
| wanyen | manageable sounds fine | 18:00 |
| rloo | devananda: just wondering if there is another word than MANAGE. But yeah, RESCUE is a bit odd too. | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah that's how I understand it | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | credentials are set and all | 18:00 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I agree there's room for improvement in the words, until we actually implement them, at which point, changes will break compat | 18:00 |
| devananda | ok - we're out of time | 18:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 18:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 12 18:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-12-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-12-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-12-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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