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| krotscheck | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | Woo, new time! | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | And new channel! | 16:00 |
| fungi | exciting | 16:00 |
| fungi | new bat time, new bat channel | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Indeed! | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Also, new bat timezone. | 16:01 |
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| fungi | timezones are for losers | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, I want to use this meeting to rejigger our meeting agenda post summit. | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | Since it’s unlikely that much happened last week, and it’ll get us organized moving foward. | 16:02 |
| fungi | sounds like a great idea | 16:02 |
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| krotscheck | So let’s start here, and I’ll paste the new priorities, and the old agenda, into it: | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rejigger-all-the-things | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | First though, urgent items. | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 16:03 | |
| krotscheck | I think the only one I’m aware of is identified bugs in the migration script. | 16:03 |
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| krotscheck | I got reasonably far with that, but I can’t reproduce the user import bug we had a problem with. | 16:04 |
| fungi | unfortunate | 16:04 |
| fungi | i can rerun once you're ready to dig deeper | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Do you think you’ll be able to give me an SQL dump of the users table so I can use that to test with? | 16:04 |
| fungi | krotscheck: absolutely | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 16:04 |
| fungi | get up with me after the meeting when you're ready | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Roger wilco. | 16:05 |
| fungi | i can mysqldump it on prod and scp it over to dev | 16:05 |
| * krotscheck files that under urgent items. | 16:05 | |
| krotscheck | I don’t think we have a dev... | 16:05 |
| fungi | oh, right. in that case i'll stick it somewhere you can retrieve | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Any other urgent items? | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | (Other than telling the rest of the team that our meeting time changed? :D | 16:06 |
| fungi | none from me, though i think there's not anyone else paying attention | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | point | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so moving on with that... | 16:07 |
| fungi | so, er, make your own priorities? ;) | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Don’t we always? :D | 16:07 |
| fungi | ttx: around? | 16:07 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | oot | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | woot | 16:07 |
| fungi | (and then there were three) | 16:07 |
| * ttx reads backlog | 16:07 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topics | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion Topics (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 16:07 | |
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| * ttx first fixes ical | 16:08 | |
| krotscheck | We still have story types on this list, I don’t think that’s moving off the agenda just yet. | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Although from discussions I’ve had at the summit it’s DEFINITELY a thing we care about. | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | For some reason the etherpad is acting up. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | Other discussion topics that were raised at summit: User adoption and documentation. | 16:10 |
| fungi | it was probably not a fan of something you pasted in | 16:10 |
| persia | Or not a fan of my browser choices (as the coincidence of timing might indicate) | 16:10 |
| ttx | krotscheck: is projectgroups all landed or do you need more approvals ? | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | I feel that’s a larger discussion, because we’ve got lots of different audiences. Users, Devs, Intallers, etc. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Project groups is landed, with one outstanding bug that’s currently up for approval, but it’s not super high importance because I went in and fixed the thing manually. | 16:11 |
| ttx | ok | 16:11 |
| ttx | shall we add "import bugs" to the 1.1 list ? | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | Hrm, methinks that’s an urgent item. | 16:12 |
| ttx | feels like that's the only blocker at this point | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | yep | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | Other discussion topics? | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | Maybe put the PM awareness bit on? | 16:13 |
| ttx | In the 1.2 list, is there anything I should probably draft a spec for ? Nebulous things like "milestone support" maybe ? | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | Yes | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | Def that. | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | Should we bounce to 1.2? | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.2 Agenda | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "MVP 1.2 Agenda (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 16:16 | |
| krotscheck | What is “In progress feature import?” | 16:16 |
| ttx | krotscheck: hmmm | 16:16 |
| persia | I thought it was "Feature: Import, Status: In Progress" | 16:17 |
| ttx | probably that we need to be able to import Launchpad features that are not completed yet into Storyboard | 16:17 |
| ttx | ISTR we said we don't need to import completed features that much | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | ttx: That suggests some kind of blueprint scraping? | 16:17 |
| ttx | krotscheck: that suggests hell. We'll have to circle back to stakeholders on this one | 16:17 |
| ttx | make sure it's REALLY needed | 16:17 |
| ttx | features are sufficiently volatile that it may not be worth it | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Good point. Adding to discussion topics. | 16:18 |
| ttx | and launchpad blueprints contain a *lot* of stale old BPs | 16:18 |
| * krotscheck is not certain who the stakeholders there are. | 16:19 | |
| ttx | krotscheck: I'd say, the groups which want to jump in storyboard next after infra | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey. | 16:20 |
| ttx | I can reach out | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | Oooh, we need to draft an infra adoption email. | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | We can include it in that. | 16:20 |
| fungi | yeah, infra explicitly avoided blueprints | 16:21 |
| fungi | i think we have one or two which people filed because nova, neutron et al had them in the habit of doing so | 16:21 |
| fungi | but if infra's aren't imported, no great loss | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | What does FFE in FFE workflow stand for? | 16:23 |
| ttx | Feature freeze exception | 16:23 |
| ttx | The idea here is to have some way of tracking a spec was granted an exception | 16:23 |
| ttx | currently it's all etherpads and custom lists | 16:23 |
| fungi | as opposed to the more popular abbreviation, "ffs" | 16:23 |
| ttx | I suspect we can use some protected tag | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | Or ffx :) | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | I don’t see security bugs here somewhere. | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | Added | 16:24 |
| ttx | to be honest, we don't need FFE workflow for feature parity with LP | 16:24 |
| fungi | this will be tricky. importing private bugs is likely to be hard | 16:24 |
| ttx | since we don't have any there | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Seems like we need the import script to be able to log in as someone, and then have all the people with all the security access do the import. | 16:25 |
| fungi | it's worth noodling on whether we need the import user to be a superuser granted read access to all private bugs, or whether we just punt and manually move private security bugs in (since the private state is transient and we don't usually have more than a dozen or so in flight at any particular time) | 16:26 |
| persia | Do we need explicit hardcoded FFE support? Generally, I think it better to make generic features, and have policy independent (e.g. don't approve a new feature past date X unless conditions A, B, and C are met. Indicate conditions with flags or tags or something. | 16:26 |
| ttx | fungi: private bugs are volatile enough.. if we don't import them, no biggie | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Seems like a discussion to be had as soon as we add private bug feature support. | 16:27 |
| fungi | persia: yeah, i think the position is that ffe doesn't need any special features, but we might add features to make tracking them more efficient down the road? | 16:27 |
| ttx | persia: yes, I think we can do it with tag | 16:28 |
| ttx | krotscheck: removed FFE from 1.3 | 16:28 |
| ttx | pushed to wishlist | 16:28 |
| ttx | LP doesn't have it, so no need to have it for parity/migration | 16:29 |
| ttx | krotscheck: so.. I'd move file attachments to 1.3, if only because LP has them and we want to import | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:30 |
| ttx | krotscheck: on the other hand, Integration with Specs, Project Stats/Graphs/Reporting,Etherpad Summit Design Session Markup Import... | 16:30 |
| ttx | or UX Support... are wishlist | 16:30 |
| ttx | Up in the wishlist for sure | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | Well, the wishlist is unscheduled | 16:31 |
| ttx | Top part of 1.3 is what we need to migrate off LP | 16:31 |
| persia | I actively don't like attachments, but am happy to argue my case some other day | 16:31 |
| ttx | Bottom part are nice features that will make people love Storyboard | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | Point. | 16:33 |
| ttx | krotscheck: should we put the bottom part in some 1.4 or 1.3.1 ? | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Honestly, I think doing a version more than “the one we’re working on rigth now” isn’t that helpful. | 16:33 |
| ttx | right | 16:33 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so I think I have all the features from Juno and from Kilo in the etherpad now prioritized based on the discussion that was had. | 16:34 |
| ttx | OK, looks like I have 3 specs to work on | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | I feel that we’ve got plenty to do. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | MVP 1.2 might stand to be prioritized. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Copy all the StoryBoard todo items into StoryBoard. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | I moved Email to the top, since it’s currently most complete of those items | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | I’ll put tags after that, because we actually have that data in the database and need to surface it. | 16:38 |
| fungi | sounds great | 16:38 |
| ttx | Maybe story types after that, since we have a spec for it | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | I’d like to have the Issue-Auth-Tokens bit in after that, since it’s actively blocking zaro’s work to do API integration. | 16:39 |
| ttx | or one of the ones which don't require specs | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Actually, maybe User Auth goes before tags? | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Dunno. | 16:39 |
| fungi | also, when did we want to try switching it from lp openid to openstackid.org now that it's available? | 16:39 |
| ttx | fungi: I'd say ASAP | 16:40 |
| ttx | sounds like a good test fo it | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Wait, that’s a thing now? | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Yes. Asap. | 16:40 |
| ttx | krotscheck: yes, just don't tell the world | 16:40 |
| fungi | the migration task might be complex since i'm assuming we'll need to map lp accounts to foundation member accounts by some shared key to figure out who is who | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | yeah, that could be tricky. | 16:41 |
| fungi | e-mail address maybe | 16:41 |
| fungi | except that lp lets you hide your e-mail address | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | LP doesn’t give us email addresses. | 16:41 |
| fungi | yeah, bollocks | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Poly-auth? | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | The guys at Forj really want a pluggable Auth system anyway. Might be worth trying to do it that way. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | But the link-two-accounts flow is going to be a pain. | 16:42 |
| fungi | i'm not immediately groking how that would work, but maybe a writeup or very tiny spec would help me visualize | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | fungi: You got it. | 16:42 |
| fungi | we're going to run into similar challenges when migrating other systems over anyway | 16:43 |
| fungi | (for gerrit we actually have at least some mapping data, but the wiki is another story) | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | That mapping, in general, might be a really helpful thing to build. | 16:44 |
| fungi | right, i'll try to come up with options for how we might piece that together once i'm able to brain a little better | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Brains are overrated, just use AFS | 16:45 |
| fungi | undeed | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | Anyone see any other missing items on that list? | 16:45 |
| ttx | krotscheck: nothing jumps at me | 16:46 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, There’s a few things in there that should probably be grouped. Status auto-update for instance is part of the broader integration story | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Gerrit Links is related to rich text editing and rendering | 16:47 |
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| * ttx adds "Milestone support spec" to his TODO list | 16:47 | |
| krotscheck | I’ll rearrange those later though, still need to think about the impact there. | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | If that’s all, I’ll move to open discussion to see if there’s anything else to bring up. | 16:48 |
| fungi | nothin' | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Transfer meeting rejigger etherpad to agenda wiki | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | So, I got a code drop from Codethink with a storyboard kanban board from persia. | 16:49 |
| fungi | so was the storyboard exposure in our design summit sessions generally helpful? | 16:49 |
| fungi | actionable feedback? | 16:50 |
| ttx | krotscheck: did you manage to get any user testing done last week? | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | I dug through it on the plane right back, and there are definitely pieces that I can use, though I have to peel apart an abstraction layer that was added. | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | I feel that the exposure was mostly helpful, but all of the Product level discussions that I had on Monday, as wella s the hidden influencer meeting, was very much “Oh we’ll wait and see” responses. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | ttx: No user testing, the two people I signed up were no-shows. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | ttx: But I do have a standing invitation from Blue Box to wander down to teir offices in seattle and do tests with them. | 16:52 |
| fungi | that's cool at least | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | fungi: The main actionable feedback I’ve received is “Where’s the install guide". | 16:52 |
| fungi | sometimes the connections you make are worth more than anything directly accomplished during the short amount of time allotted | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, that’s what I’m hoping. | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | I also made a good connection with the guys in Budapest. | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | Anyone else have things that they did that worked out well for StoryBoard? | 16:53 |
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| * fungi takes the silence as a resounding "no" | 16:54 | |
| krotscheck | yep | 16:55 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let’s call it. Thanks everyone! | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 16:55:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-11-10-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-11-10-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-11-10-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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