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| amotoki | hi | 16:00 |
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| woodm1979 | Hi! | 16:00 |
| EmilyW | hello | 16:00 |
| rbertram | hi | 16:00 |
| pkarikh | hi | 16:00 |
| hurgleburgler | hi! | 16:00 |
| amotoki | david is on a plane now and he cannot join the meeting. I will start the meeting. | 16:01 |
| jpich | Thanks, amotoki | 16:01 |
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| amotoki | waiting for a while... | 16:01 |
| amotoki | this is 3rd meetings in 3 hours before going to bed.... busy night | 16:02 |
| amotoki | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 16:02:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amotoki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:02 |
| amotoki | let's start. | 16:02 |
| amotoki | #topic announcement | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcement (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:03 | |
| amotoki | RC1 is released later last week. thanks everyone for your efforts. | 16:03 |
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| woodm1979 | Yay! :-D | 16:03 |
| rdopieralski | hi | 16:03 |
| jpich | woohoo | 16:04 |
| amotoki | RC2 is planned for translation imports and other some cleanups. | 16:04 |
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| amotoki | perhaps RC2 will be shipped later this week. | 16:04 |
| amotoki | I would like to cover RC2 potential bugs. | 16:05 |
| amotoki | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential | 16:05 |
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| amotoki | Is there any other release blocking bugs we need aware? | 16:05 |
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| akrivoka | hello | 16:07 |
| tsufiev | hi | 16:07 |
| amotoki | is there any announce for the team? | 16:07 |
| amotoki | let's move on the meeting agenda. | 16:08 |
| amotoki | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:08 |
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| amotoki | #topic translations imports and related topics | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "translations imports and related topics (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:08 | |
| amotoki | translation import is scheduled at around 1300UTC Oct 9. I will post a patch. | 16:09 |
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| amotoki | In addition, I would like to remove MO files (compiled message catalogs) in RC2. | 16:09 |
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| amotoki | we discussed on removing MO files in dev list. I got a consensus on removing them and got positive feedbacks from distributors (at least RDO and Debian so far). | 16:10 |
| amotoki | any concern on removing mo files? | 16:10 |
| jpich | It strikes me as a little late, when distros wouldn't have had the time to test the new process during any of the milestones, but if the packagers are ok with it then it's all good | 16:10 |
| * rdopieralski approves, as it will make the splitting easier too | 16:10 | |
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| amotoki | jpich: good point. as far as I gathered, RDO is not affected. Debian (zigo) agrees the change. | 16:11 |
| amotoki | no information from Ubuntu Cloud team so far. | 16:11 |
| rdopieralski | and ubuntu will probably put them back anyways ;) | 16:11 |
| jpich | or suse | 16:11 |
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| amotoki | We need to mention this in the release and I believe it helps us. | 16:12 |
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| zigo | We had *really* a lot of changes at the very last minute in Horizon, I think it's a very good thing to remove the .mo in general, but why so late? | 16:12 |
| zigo | I've posted the first patch about it about a year ago !!! | 16:13 |
| rdopieralski | zigo: the short answer is we are understaffed | 16:13 |
| amotoki | zigo: really sorry. I couldn't have enough time to do so..... | 16:13 |
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| zigo | I'm not discussing the feature, I like it. I'm discussing the timing. | 16:14 |
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| zigo | We're a bit more than a week before the release... | 16:14 |
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| zigo | Can't this be delayed for the next point release of Juno? | 16:15 |
| amotoki | zigo: yes. I can do it in Kilo, but many distribution hate this and I just wonder it is better in Juno or not. | 16:15 |
| jpich | Not sure if that would be an appropriate backport for the stable branch | 16:16 |
| rdopieralski | the question is what's worse, continue to ship the mo files, or make a sudden change | 16:16 |
| amotoki | at least, I thnk it is not a good idea to change a thing like this in stable upates. | 16:16 |
| zigo | jpich: I do think it's appropriate, and much better than doing it 9 days before the relase. | 16:16 |
| jpich | I think it would be more surprising as a point release change | 16:17 |
| amotoki | If we have a concern on this, we can defer removing mo files to kilo. | 16:17 |
| zigo | Then I prefer to have it happen now, if there's no hope for a point release change. | 16:17 |
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| amotoki | okay. I understand it bothers folks who work on distributions. can anyone reach ubuntu and suse team? | 16:19 |
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| jpich | amotoki: I'll try to find out who they are and point them to the thread, tomorrow morning | 16:20 |
| zigo | amotoki: It only bothers me if I discover it the day of the release, if you do it and cut a new RC let's say tomorrow, then that's acceptable for me... :) | 16:20 |
| zigo | Wait 7 days and give me 2 days to test it, then I wont like it. | 16:20 |
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| jpich | I guess I'll try to find them tonight so we can get their input early then :-) | 16:21 |
| zigo | :) | 16:21 |
| amotoki | thanks jpich. | 16:22 |
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| amotoki | more i investigated the problem, i feel it is not a good thing more.... really sorry for bringing this at the moment. | 16:23 |
| amotoki | jpich: could you follow this on the dev list? | 16:23 |
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| jpich | amotoki: Sure | 16:23 |
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| amotoki | jpich: thanks. | 16:24 |
| amotoki | move on the next topic | 16:24 |
| amotoki | #topic Deprecation notice of OPENSTACK_QUANTUM_NETWORK | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecation notice of OPENSTACK_QUANTUM_NETWORK (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:24 | |
| amotoki | the patch I proposed has been merged already. | 16:24 |
| amotoki | OPENSTACK_QUANTUM_NETWORK is previously used only for enable_lb (lb = lbaas) in Icehouse. | 16:25 |
| amotoki | and OPENSTACK_QUANTUM_NETWORK works in Juno, so I believe deprecation has no negative effect. | 16:25 |
| amotoki | any concern? | 16:25 |
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| jpich | Nope | 16:27 |
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| amotoki | If you find any concern on this, please let me know. | 16:27 |
| amotoki | #info OPENSTACK_QUANTUM_NETWORK will be deprecated in Juno release. | 16:28 |
| amotoki | #topic Oslo Liaison for Kilo | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo Liaison for Kilo (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:28 | |
| amotoki | the next topic is Oslo liaison. | 16:29 |
| amotoki | Oslo is cross-project project and we need a liaison to bridge a project and Oslo. | 16:29 |
| amotoki | It is same as Juno release. the detail is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 16:30 |
| amotoki | In juno release, Lin served as a liaison. | 16:30 |
| amotoki | Kilo release is same. I am interested in doing this. | 16:30 |
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| amotoki | Is anyone interested in this? | 16:31 |
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| amotoki | core member is not a requirement as discussed in recent posts in dev list. | 16:31 |
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| rdopieralski | I'd love to get more involved in Oslo, but I don't think I would have the time for this | 16:32 |
| amotoki | horizon use a few oslo libraries now, so minimum work would be small, but it is better we get more involved in olso. | 16:35 |
| jpich | Looks like you get to do it amotoki... One more hat to add to your large collection | 16:35 |
| jpich | That makes sense | 16:36 |
| tqtran | =D | 16:36 |
| amotoki | thanks | 16:36 |
| rdopieralski | are there any plans to have liaisons for other stuff too? | 16:36 |
| amotoki | I will add me to the list. I will do my best :) | 16:36 |
| jpich | Thank you amotoki! | 16:37 |
| amotoki | rdopieralski: I am not sure at now, but docs team want a liaison too. | 16:37 |
| amotoki | in addition, we need a liaison from integrated projects too :-) | 16:37 |
| amotoki | *liaisons | 16:37 |
| rdopieralski | thanks | 16:38 |
| amotoki | we can discuss how to improve our works to cover more works of projects next week or after. | 16:39 |
| amotoki | let's move on the next topic. | 16:39 |
| amotoki | #topic Adding Sinon.JS dependency | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding Sinon.JS dependency (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:39 | |
| amotoki | tsufiev: ping | 16:39 |
| tsufiev | here | 16:39 |
| amotoki | please go ahead on Sinon.js | 16:40 |
| tsufiev | I just wanted to make sure that everybody is fine with adding another dependency to Horizon | 16:40 |
| rdopieralski | that's for test-requirements, right? | 16:40 |
| jpich | From your email it's about javascript testing? | 16:40 |
| tsufiev | Sinon.js is a very nice library that can be used with many testing frameworks. It provides testing spies, stubs, mocks and emulating time in case of async calls | 16:41 |
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| tsufiev | jpich, yes, exactly | 16:41 |
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| jpich | I think we already added Jasmine just for this, which seems to have similar capabilities? | 16:41 |
| tqtran | whats the difference between this and jasmine? | 16:41 |
| tqtran | jpich: right | 16:41 |
| jpich | tqtran: Right :P | 16:41 |
| tqtran | =D | 16:41 |
| rdopieralski | I think jasmine was added to test angular.js | 16:42 |
| tsufiev | jpich, tqtran, the Jasmine is a whole testing framework, while Sinon.js can be used with any framework | 16:42 |
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| jpich | rdopieralski: It can do more though, it doesn't depend on Angular | 16:42 |
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| tsufiev | personally I needed to add testing mock to QUnit test, unfortunately it is not as rich as Jasmine | 16:42 |
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| rdopieralski | jpich: that I don't know, but as far as I know, nobody except for angular people is interested in using it | 16:42 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: it has horrible "natural language-like" syntax | 16:43 |
| tsufiev | jpich, well, should we rewrite all QUnit tests using Jasmine? | 16:43 |
| rdopieralski | tsufiev: please no | 16:43 |
| rdopieralski | I'm not even sure if we actually have any tests that use jasmine? | 16:43 |
| jpich | That sounds like a decent idea to me, to use only one framework for testing | 16:43 |
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| tqtran | yeah agree | 16:44 |
| rdopieralski | oh, we have 2 | 16:44 |
| tsufiev | rdopieralski, jpich, perhaps we have a bigger topic here than just adding one tiny JS library :) | 16:44 |
| tqtran | im in favor of jasmine, since angular is using a subset of it | 16:44 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: let's see what will be less work, rewrite 50+ tests from qunit to jsamine, or rewrite 2 tests from jasmine to quinit? | 16:44 |
| jpich | rdopieralski: jasmine was added because it has capabilities that we need / will need that qunit just doesn't have, is my understanding | 16:45 |
| jpich | Do we have 50+ javascript tests? | 16:45 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: what are those capabilities? | 16:45 |
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| jpich | rdopieralski: if MaxV's around, I'm sure he could explain in more details :-) From what I recall it centred around the Angular stuff like you said, which is what we're going toward | 16:46 |
| jpich | tqtran: Would you have more insightful input on this? | 16:46 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: sorry, just 35 tests, I lied | 16:46 |
| tqtran | jpich: I just got into it recently, wouldnt have anything insightful to say | 16:47 |
| tsufiev | jpich, my fault, I haven't made thorough investigation of features Sinon.JS providing vs. Jasmine | 16:47 |
| jpich | rdopieralski: that's cool, last I looked we had very very very few javascript tests, glad this has changed | 16:47 |
| tsufiev | jpich, to me Sinon.JS selling point was that it could be used seamlessly with QUnit | 16:47 |
| rdopieralski | from what I know, sinon.js is a lot like python's unittests.mock | 16:47 |
| tqtran | but from what i have seen, angular is using jasmine for unit testing, and since thats where we are headed.. its something that seems logical to me | 16:47 |
| rdopieralski | and it is being used a lot in all possible frameworks | 16:47 |
| rdopieralski | it even has some code specially for jasmine | 16:48 |
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| tsufiev | rdopieralski, yep | 16:48 |
| rdopieralski | so there are people who use it in jasmine too -- so apparently it's not a duplication of features | 16:48 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Maybe you can follow up about this on the ML, and we can pick up either on list or during the meeting? | 16:48 |
| tsufiev | jpich, sure, I'll look into this | 16:48 |
| rdopieralski | tsufiev: I have one question | 16:48 |
| jpich | Fair enough. One of my concerns was that we were getting close to having more javascript testing libraries than javascript tests, but if we have 35 there's a small margin ;) | 16:49 |
| rdopieralski | tsufiev: are you going to take care of the xstatic package? | 16:49 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Thank you! | 16:49 |
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| rdopieralski | tsufiev: as in, create and maintain it? | 16:49 |
| tsufiev | rdopieralski, yes, I could do this. That's the main reason I put this on agenda - to avoid unnecessary work ) | 16:49 |
| tsufiev | rdopieralski, hm... | 16:50 |
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| tsufiev | rdopieralski, create - yes. Maintain - well, I'll do my best | 16:50 |
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| rdopieralski | tsufiev: up until now we kinda ignored it, but the js code also gets security updates | 16:51 |
| rdopieralski | tsufiev: and stuff like that | 16:51 |
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| amotoki | it seems we need to discuss and decide what test framework(s) we use based on our needs and then consider maintaining xstatic libs. | 16:51 |
| rdopieralski | tsufiev: a testing library is probably low risk, though | 16:51 |
| tsufiev | rdopieralski, yeah, no production usage | 16:51 |
| rdopieralski | amotoki: I would also revive the mox vs. mock discussion | 16:51 |
| rdopieralski | amotoki: maybe next week | 16:52 |
| amotoki | rdopieralski: yeah... mox sometimes behaves in a tricky way. | 16:52 |
| amotoki | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| amotoki | any topics to be discussed? | 16:52 |
| tsufiev | also I wanted to take this one bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1276735 | 16:53 |
| zigo | Yeah... | 16:53 |
| zigo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1377372 | 16:53 |
| zigo | I really would like this one to be fixed for Juno if possible. | 16:53 |
| jpich | Could you add the juno-rc-potential tag to it to increase its visibility? | 16:54 |
| pkarikh | I'm working on "Implement inline-editing to all tables" blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inline-editing-implementation-to-all-tables). I've implemented inline editing for one table (as it said in the blueprint) and I have doubts whether I should do unit tests for each commit immediately, or to wait until the community will evaluate each usecase? | 16:54 |
| tsufiev | David Lapsley set it WIP 4 months ago and didn't show up since | 16:54 |
| TravT_ | tsufiev: that bug doesn't seem valid to me anymore | 16:54 |
| jpich | (zigo: Sorry this is happening again...) | 16:54 |
| amotoki | zigo: i think mrunge tried to reach you to discuss it | 16:54 |
| zigo | And also, I still don't have an answer for test_update_project_when_default_role_does_not_exist() failing in Django 1.7, and I have no idea how to work on that one. | 16:54 |
| tsufiev | TravT_, has it been superseded by some new functional? | 16:54 |
| zigo | jpich: Ship happens, no worries ! :) | 16:55 |
| TravT_ | tsufiev: the new "update metadata" widget based on the Glance Metadata Definitions catalog replaced the old extra specs. Have you pulled a new devstack? | 16:55 |
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| jpich | zigo: That it does | 16:55 |
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| rdopieralski | pkarikh: have you seen the data table formsets in horizon? | 16:55 |
| tsufiev | TravT_, well, I was more interested in the related commit for it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71330/ - fixing the modal stack | 16:55 |
| amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1360794 | 16:56 |
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| amotoki | zigo: perhaps Django 1.7 issues has the same root cause of bug 1360794. | 16:56 |
| tsufiev | TravT_, but you may be right, if Extra Specs is implemented on Glance Metadata defs, it would be a solution looking for a problem | 16:57 |
| amotoki | zigo: I tried to investigate it but ..... | 16:57 |
| pkarikh | rdopieralski, nope | 16:57 |
| TravT_ | tsufiev: yeah, pull a new devstack and take a look. same widget is used for flavors, host aggregates, and images now. | 16:57 |
| jpich | tsufiev: If it's been a long time and the author doesn't reply to you (you can use Launchpad's "Contact this user" feature to send an email too if you like being thorough), feel free to take the patch over and co-author it | 16:57 |
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| zigo | About test_update_project_when_default_role_does_not_exist(), I asked half a dozen people to have a look, and nobody gets it. How about removing this test completly and be done with it? :) | 16:58 |
| tsufiev | TravT_, okay, thank you for pointing me to that. Will take a look | 16:58 |
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| rdopieralski | pkarikh: nevermind | 16:58 |
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| TravT_ | jpich: i think i will update that patch to point out that is was superseded by new work. | 16:58 |
| amotoki | zigo: in juno? | 16:58 |
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| jpich | TravT_: Okay, just pointing this out as a general rule | 16:58 |
| rdopieralski | pkarikh: as for your question, each patch should include tests for the functionality that it adds | 16:58 |
| jpich | If you're counting time in months and can't get an answer it's usually ok to take over | 16:59 |
| zigo | amotoki: Yeah, and in Icehouse too, since there's the issue there as well. | 16:59 |
| tsufiev | jpich, ok. Still speaking about that bug helped me to avoid solving already solved problem :) | 16:59 |
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| jpich | tsufiev: Even better :) | 16:59 |
| amotoki | zigo: django 1.7 support is in our rader in Kilo and i am not sure we support it in Juno. | 16:59 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Hm depending on what you find can you add a comment to the bug too? Sounds like we might want to close it then | 16:59 |
| TravT_ | tsufiev: that modal problem does still exist on volume type extra specs and QOS specs that were just added. we hope to replace that with new widget as well and have blueprints on it. but we have some dependent cinder work. | 16:59 |
| amotoki | ah.... our time is being over. | 17:00 |
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| pkarikh | rdopieralski, thanks, I realized | 17:00 |
| amotoki | thanks all for your efforts. | 17:00 |
| amotoki | have a good week. | 17:00 |
| rdopieralski | bye | 17:00 |
| amotoki | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 17:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-07-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-07-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-07-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| zigo | amotoki: I believe I fixed all unit test errors for Juno + Django 1.7, but that test_update_project_when_default_role_does_not_exist() failure. | 17:00 |
| jpich | Thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| tsufiev | bye! | 17:00 |
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| zigo | amotoki: Like it or not, Debian has Django 1.7 in Sid/Testing, and therefore at least *I* have to support it. | 17:01 |
| zigo | (and I don't have enough skills on Django) | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Time for the congress meeting. | 17:01 |
| pballand | howdy | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:01 |
| sarob | hi | 17:02 |
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| arosen1 | hiya | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 17:02:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:02 |
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| rajdeep | hi | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | hi | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs | sarob and arosen1 actually put up an agenda this week | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Congress | 17:03 |
| arosen1 | I can go first if you want. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | arosen1: ok | 17:03 |
| arosen1 | cool, So I've been working on the CI stuff. We now have a job that is voting running a few basic functional tempest tests. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 17:03 |
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| arosen1 | Right now we're lacking tempest tests for the datasource drivers (neutron, keystone, ceilometer) this would be awesome if someone wants to help out with this. | 17:03 |
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| arosen1 | I added coverage for nova here which might be a good example to follow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125501/ | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | This is definitely a huge step forward! | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | I'll volunteer to write a tempest test or two this week. | 17:04 |
| arosen1 | i think after we add this coverage we can also add a few scenario tests to give us even more coverage testing rules over multiple tables etc | 17:05 |
| arosen1 | I've also written a datasource driver for glance which also includes functional tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126377/ would be nice to get some reviews on this if anyone has cycles. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | Pretty soon tempest tests will be part of the expected tests we write for new features. | 17:05 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: i think that would be a good requirement to add | 17:05 |
| arosen1 | that's all from me though unless there are any questions | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | Great! So we're seeing more people having fulfilled their datasource driver obligation. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: want to go next? | 17:06 |
| alexsyip | I wrote the new datasource superclass, and I’m converting the keystone driver to use the new superclass (fixing bugs along the way). | 17:07 |
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| thinrichs | Good stuff! Want to give people an idea of why the new superclass will make it easier to write new drivers? | 17:08 |
| alexsyip | In the past, each datasource driver needed to convert the API reponse data from the data source to congress columns explicitly. | 17:08 |
| rajdeep | arosen1 noticed a version v2 in the glance driver name | 17:08 |
| arosen1 | rajdeep: right; glance has a v1 and v2 api. So v2 means it talks to the glance_v2 api | 17:09 |
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| rajdeep | that is true for nova too | 17:09 |
| * arosen1 that's why i did that. | 17:09 | |
| rajdeep | and most other apis | 17:09 |
| alexsyip | The new superclass will allow the programmer to write a data descriptor. | 17:09 |
| arosen1 | rajdeep: well i think we are only talking to nova's 1_1 api right now and not nova's v2 | 17:10 |
| alexsyip | To give an idea of what I”m talking about, take a look at this preliminary version: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125845/1/congress/datasources/datasource_driver.py | 17:10 |
| arosen1 | the nova v2 is still a wip | 17:10 |
| alexsyip | There’s a comment at the top describing the descriptor format. | 17:10 |
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| arosen1 | alexsyip: sounds good, i'll try and also review this later today. | 17:10 |
| alexsyip | It’s not ready for review. | 17:10 |
| arosen1 | okay i'll wait then :) | 17:10 |
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| alexsyip | But it would be valuable to look it over and see if the descriptors make sense. | 17:11 |
| alexsyip | Just the comment part. | 17:11 |
| alexsyip | Although it’s out of date.. | 17:11 |
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| alexsyip | I’ll upload a newer version today. | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good! | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: want to go next? | 17:12 |
| rajdeep | sure | 17:12 |
| rajdeep | i have started implementing horizon panel for datasource APIs | 17:13 |
| rajdeep | will take some time to get it completed | 17:13 |
| arosen1 | rajdeep: are you in sync with janet? have you seen this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123912/ ? | 17:14 |
| rajdeep | noticed that congress returns data source driver list for neutron even when neutron is disabled in devstack | 17:14 |
| arosen1 | rajdeep: right, that happens because neutron is in the datasource.conf | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: the status reflects whether Neutron is enabled in Congress. Not whether it is enabled in devstack. | 17:15 |
| arosen1 | once datasource registration occurs via the api that won't be the case as someone will explicitly have to register it. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | Ideally we could do both. | 17:15 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: we have a status now? | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | But once we get the datasource statuses in place, we should get that info. | 17:15 |
| rajdeep | ok makes sense but i got a little confused | 17:15 |
| arosen1 | ah yea.. | 17:15 |
| arosen1 | nvm | 17:15 |
| rajdeep | will we expose enabling drivers via horizon too? | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: did you see the link arosen1 linked to? | 17:16 |
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| arosen1 | rajdeep: i would think so. | 17:16 |
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| rajdeep | arosen1 i took the initial patch from janet and worked on top of it | 17:16 |
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| arosen1 | rajdeep: great | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: eventually we'll let people control drivers via the API and horizon. But that's low priority right now. | 17:17 |
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| rajdeep | ok.. | 17:17 |
| rajdeep | that completes the status from my side | 17:18 |
| thinrichs | sarob: you want to do your stuff? | 17:18 |
| sarob | sooo, we almost have our space allocated for the summit | 17:19 |
| rajdeep | another thing i forgot to mention | 17:19 |
| sarob | go for it rajdeep | 17:19 |
| rajdeep | horizon needs an id for each row else it is not able to render properly | 17:19 |
| rajdeep | datasource row doesn't have an id | 17:20 |
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| rajdeep | janet also mentioned this in her comments | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | Giving rows IDs is hard. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | Not all rows are stored explicitly—they are computed on the fly. | 17:22 |
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| thinrichs | So giving IDs doesn't always work, which means we don't give IDs to rows. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | Why can't we render rows without IDs? | 17:22 |
| rajdeep | well we can generate on the horizon side as a work around .. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | I'll ask again: why can't we render rows without IDs? | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | not sure about the horizon behaviour but i struggled with this | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | janet's comment : # Policy table rows currently don't have ids. However, the DataTable object 128 # requires an id for the table to get rendered properly. Otherwise, the 129 # same contents are displayed for every row in the table. Assign the rows 130 # ids here | 17:24 |
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| thinrichs | That sounds like a limitation of Horizon. I'd agree with your suggestion rajdeep and gen them within horizon. | 17:24 |
| pballand | thinrichs: +1 | 17:24 |
| rajdeep | ok thinrichs | 17:25 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: want to pick up again? | 17:25 |
| pballand | longer term, I think we need to think more about the row strategy that congress exposes, but that shouldn’t block the UI work | 17:26 |
| sarob | etherpad for the kilo design summit is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session | 17:26 |
| sarob | im working out our space(s) at the summit | 17:27 |
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| sarob | im going to update the wiki to reference both new specs and minimum features | 17:28 |
| glebo | Hey all, Gregory Lebovitz here. First time in the wkly mtg | 17:29 |
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| sarob | thats it other than y'all can start updating the wiki at will | 17:29 |
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| glebo | question, once we done talking about summit | 17:29 |
| sarob | morning glebo | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | glebo: Hi! We'll ask you to give a brief intro near the end of the meeting. | 17:29 |
| glebo | grt | 17:29 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: thanks! | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: want to go next? | 17:31 |
| madhumohan | been working on tempest tests for ceilometer driver.... | 17:31 |
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| madhumohan | thinrichs: I am reviewing your code... half way now. will let you know if i find something interesting... | 17:32 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: great! We'd love feedback on writing tempest tests. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | And having you review is really helpful. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | Anything else madhumohan? | 17:34 |
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| madhumohan | I had a policy where i needed a count of records in a table | 17:34 |
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| madhumohan | For eg: "A specific host can host utmost 6 VMs" OR "The subnet x can take utmost 10 ports"... any thoughts on supporting such constructs on datalog | 17:35 |
| madhumohan | ? | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: that would require aggregates, which we don't yet support. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: want to add a spec for it? | 17:36 |
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| madhumohan | yes.. I would like to take it up | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. I'll help. That's a good suggestion. | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | Starting to run short on time it seems. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | I'll go. | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | I've been adding column-references to datalog, | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | So we can write something like p(x) :- nova:servers(id=x, name=y) | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | I've also been reactivating a simple form of enforcement that a customer asked for. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | So we can guard API calls using Congress. e.g. before Nova executes a createVM API call, it can ask Congress if doing so would violate policy. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | The code is already in there but we deactivated it for the alpha release. | 17:40 |
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| thinrichs | I've also been asked to add some datetime functionality into the builtins that we support | 17:40 |
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| thinrichs | That's about it from me. | 17:40 |
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| thinrichs | Radu_: we're finishing up status reports. Want to go? | 17:41 |
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| Radu_ | I wanted to give the column referances a test today but was running into some other driver errors with my driver, not sure if it has to do with the patch or something unrelated. | 17:41 |
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| Radu_ | Since last week I have made the code and demo/audio publically visable | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs | Radu_: okay. Let us know if we can help or if you find a bug. | 17:42 |
| Radu_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEydTlIW64 | 17:42 |
| Radu_ | Thats my demo video I made using my driver with congress to use congress as a reactionary tool for networks | 17:43 |
| Radu_ | Code repo is in the description. I also submitted a blueprint and a specs request to have the driver merged into the main repo | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | It's great now that there's audio! | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | Did you push your driver to review? | 17:44 |
| Radu_ | just the specs doc and blueprint | 17:44 |
| thinrichs | If your driver is ready, go ahead and push it for review. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | We can go over both the specs and the driver at the same time. | 17:45 |
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| thinrichs | One other thing that I almost forgot. | 17:46 |
| Radu_ | Cool, I want to do a bit more testing and see If it is just an error that is occuring with the column referance patch or something else that was released in another patch I hadn't tested with that the column patch is based off of | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | We talked to the Graffiti team this week. | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: sounds good. | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | Graffiti is project geared toward adding metadata to the objects in OS. | 17:47 |
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| Radu_ | We also may move to using congress on an full openstack deployment, but that is still in the works and Im still on devstack for now. | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | For example, they are making it possible to say that Apache is installed on some particular Glance image. | 17:48 |
| pballand | that’s fantastic | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | We were in complete agreement that the projects are complementary. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | Congress policies can be richer if we utilize Graffiti metadata. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | So we can say something like, "every VM that has Apache installed must have port 80 open" | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Is there anyone else that has a status report to give? | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | We have a couple of new people this week and I want to ensure they have time to introduce themselves. | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | #topic New members | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | glebo: would you care to introduce yourself and say a little about why you're interested in Congress? | 17:50 |
| glebo | Hey. It's Gregory from vArmour. Recall I was at the Silicon Valley 2-day session. This is just my first time in the wkly mtg. | 17:51 |
| glebo | Repeat from the 2-day mtg, | 17:51 |
| glebo | our interest is in being able to take security policies | 17:51 |
| pballand | hi glebo, thanks for joining the meeting | 17:51 |
| Radu_ | Cool,that definately sounds like it could have a lot of use. | 17:51 |
| glebo | regarding access control, | 17:51 |
| glebo | reachability, | 17:51 |
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| glebo | microsegmentation | 17:51 |
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| glebo | etc from congress and be able to actually enforce those policies for each of the VMs | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | glebo: sounds cool! | 17:53 |
| glebo | I'd see us as a consumer of Congress, | 17:53 |
| glebo | but willing and able to contribute to ensure that the structures and registries and interfaces are there for the security enforcement side of policy declaration | 17:53 |
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| glebo | Thx for the warm welcome. <hands off to others> | 17:54 |
| jasonsb | glebo: that sounds really neat | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | Makes sense. We'd love to understand what your requirements are, so feel free to ping us anytime. | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | jasonsb: want to take a turn? | 17:54 |
| glebo | ack | 17:54 |
| glebo | actually, I had a question… | 17:54 |
| jasonsb | sure. Im mostly lurking at the moment, trying to wrap my head around QoS | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | You're certainly welcome to lurk anytime. | 17:55 |
| jasonsb | and if congress can be used to express policies around quality of service as it relates to network and storage | 17:55 |
| glebo | has there been any bp's or specs written around the interaction between congress and neutron GBP? | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | But most of the weekly IRC are like what you're seeing—status updates. | 17:55 |
| LouisF | thinrichs: may have been mentioned before but I am adding a spec and bp on translation from congress to gbp | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | jasonsb: I'd suggest we communicate outside of this meeting to look into QoS policies. | 17:56 |
| jasonsb | oh, and i've just started couple weeks back at HDS | 17:56 |
| glebo | LouisF: well, there we have it then. Timely answer. | 17:56 |
| glebo | ;-) | 17:56 |
| jasonsb | thinrichs: sounds good. i'm still early stages of wrapping my head around both congress and the problem domain | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | jasonsb: let us know if you want pointers to intro material or want to chat on the phone. | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | glebo: same for you, of course, though you've seen much of the intro material we have. | 17:58 |
| jasonsb | LouisF: if you could point me to what you are working on i would like to see | 17:58 |
| LouisF | jasonsb: i will post soon | 17:58 |
| jasonsb | thinrichs: thank you for warm welcome | 17:58 |
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| jasonsb | i'll be in paris so would like to participate on your discussions as well | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | sarob: can you post to the ML our Paris schedule? | 17:59 |
| glebo | thinrichs: ack. thx. | 17:59 |
| sarob | sure, when i get it locked down | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | One last thing before we end. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | All the outstanding specs currently in the juno folder will be moved to the kilo folder. | 18:00 |
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| thinrichs | We can debate them all in Paris to prioritize. | 18:00 |
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| thinrichs | And with that we're out of time. | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 18:00 |
| LouisF | i am adding the gbp translation spec to the kilo folder | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 18:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-07-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-07-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-07-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| thinrichs | Feel free to follow up in #congress | 18:01 |
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| glebo | LouisF: so the spec is actually 1st draft complete at this point? | 18:02 |
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| thinrichs | glebo, LouisF: let's move to #congress so the next meeting can begin | 18:04 |
| glebo | ack | 18:04 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 7 19:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula | 19:01 |
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| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | before getting into that issue, just wanted to mention that i started hacking on teh talk outline, as i get it more completed this afternoon/tomorrow morning i'll send it over terrylhowe | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | anyway, terrylhowe brought up that we should probably talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/unifiedsdk/+bug/1377424 - how plugins can/should state their valid arguments, as commented on in reviews by doug | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | awesome, looking forward to it briancurtin | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | I’ve collected all of Doug’s comments in the ticket there, I don’t have a clear vision how to proceed if we should just use a dict or some special set of classes | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | so i guess not being really experienced with plugin systems, its probable that i dont know all of the angles here, but i had thought to just add a validate method in a base class somewhere that checks the list of valid args against what the plugin loader wants to create the plugin with | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | which basically does what that loop in create is doing, just seeing that what you're about to try will actually work, then it returns/raises as appropriate | 19:05 |
| terrylhowe | maybe we just need to add a member to the plugins that is required_arguments then | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | i think that would probably do it, or it seems like it would | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | okay, well easy enough after I fix up the connection class though | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | i dont know if we need to go the step that there's required arguments and valid arguments (where valid just includes required) | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | FWIW, mhu's proposal fro OSC to do this queries the plugins to build the parser, assuming we know which plugin is requested, and relies on the plugin to kick it back if anything is wrong | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | if you give something outside of required+valid, should probably say something - warning, log message, etc., perhaps raise an exception | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | I'd think a super-set of required+valid would be ok in cases where you don't have a specific plugin requested and are searching for one that accepts the args. | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | yeh dtroyer, but it also seemed to me that it would be odd for an SDK to get involved in argparse stuff they way KSC does | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | if people want it that way, we could do that | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: we're not using ksc that way, OSC handles the actual parser bits, the ksc plugins only provide the list of what they want to see | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | you're right about parser's being blow the sdk, at least outside a high-level comon use case bundle-type thing | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | s/blow/outside/ | 19:15 |
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| * dhellmann apologizes for being late | 19:20 | |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: so does it work that plugins should say what they expect, and then grow a validate classmethod that checks they're about to be created properly? | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, that sounds fine to me | 19:21 |
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| dhellmann | do we expect plugins with completely unique validation arguments, or is it just that we have different plugins each wanting a slightly different subset of some predictable whole? | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: we are already in the former situation, password vs token auth args are disjoint | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | ok, given that I think we need some more explicit querying ability so an app developer knows what to even pass to a constructor | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | Jamie would have a clearer picture what this might look like | 19:25 |
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| dhellmann | alternately, we could say that the app developer has to explicitly manaage the authenticator instead of doing fancy plugin handling | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | jamie's plugins already have plugin.get_options() to get their requested args | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | I just renamed that to valid_arguments or something like that | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, I got mixed up with the centralized validation parts | 19:27 |
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| dhellmann | is the ultimate goal to have a single function that takes **kwds and creates a handle for talking to the cloud, including the authenticator? | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | I was moving the connection class in that direction dhellmann | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | I’m getting rid of all the ‘create’ methods and just making everything in the constructor | 19:30 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | do we expect people to provide their own auth plugins? | 19:33 |
| dhellmann | I'm trying to figure out a reasonable way to document the variations of arguments that should be passed for different plugins | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | if we can get it out of the plugins themselves, we can generate some tables in sphinx | 19:34 |
| briancurtin | there's going to have to be some sort of rackspace auth plugin (though we're aiming toward actually being on keystone) | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 19:35 |
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| terrylhowe | If we don’t want to support loading arbitrary plugins, we can at least allow the user to pass one in to the connection class | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's sort of what I was thinking -- instead of using plugins to build the thing, just have the app developer pass an instance of it | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | that doesn't make it as easy to support different authentication plugins in different apps, though | 19:37 |
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| dhellmann | of course, if they take different args anyway that is still potentially a challenge | 19:38 |
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| briancurtin | dtroyer: anything going on with your lower level looks in OSC? i haven't been following OSC | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | he base class and object-store class merged last week. I haven't added any more yet but network and image are next in the priority queue | 19:44 |
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| briancurtin | cool. i havent looked much at OSC in general, but i'll take a look soon and see what's up | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | 8 min left - anything left to chat about? | 19:52 |
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| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:52 |
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| briancurtin | thanks all! | 19:54 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 7 19:54:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-10-07-19.00.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-10-07-19.00.txt | 19:54 |
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