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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 15:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:00 | |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: malini flwang ? | 15:00 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | I think malini is not around | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Review Items from last week | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Items from last week (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | that's the agenda for today | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-01-21.00.html | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs to re-run benchmarks using the redis driver | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | I started working on that last week. goal is to finish today - publish something at least, in advance of the next TC mtg | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: great news, thanks! | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | #info kgriffs is working on re-running benchmarks on redis. Hopefully ready before the TC meeting tomorrow | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | vkmc to add checks enforcement rule to our development docs | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 15:03 |
| vkmc | flaper87, what do you mean by checks enforcement rule? | 15:03 |
| vkmc | sorry I'm lost | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | dunno, that's an action item from last week | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
| * flaper87 tries to figure out what that is | 15:04 | |
| vkmc | let me check the logs | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | ahhh | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | so, we have to document when an API check has to go to the storage layer or the API layer | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ^ | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | I can take that | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | #action To document where API checks should go (API or Storage layer) | 15:05 |
| vkmc | flaper87, oh it makes sense | 15:05 |
| vkmc | I can do that | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 15:05 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x326e3d0> | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | #action vkmc To document where API checks should go (API or Storage layer) | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #topic Early adoption of dox (flaper87) | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Early adoption of dox (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:06 | |
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| flaper87 | not sure if you guys read the email thread about dox | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | I started hacking on it and it seems like a neat idea | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://github.com/stackforge/dox | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119740/ | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | so, I've proposed a review that suggest becoming early adopters/users of this tool | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | dox is basically tox on top of docker | 15:07 |
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| flaper87 | ideally, developers shouldn't need to install redis and whatnot to test Zaqar, instead they'd just need docker and dox | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | good stuff | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | with that, no one will have an excuse not to run all tests locally | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:07 |
| vkmc | neat! | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: how do you see this in relation to devstack? | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | I hacked on dox over the weekend and I worte the dox.yml file for zaqar | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I think we'll endup having a docker image with devstack in it | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | the ultimate goal is to have images like `infra/zaqar/trusty` | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | I like the idea of deploying a "production cluster of dockers" instead of a big gnarly shell script | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | so that developers don't even need the `prep` section | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: right | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | let's us realize the isolation benefits wrt dependencies that a SOA is *supposed* to provide | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | </two-cents> | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | We'll see how it evolves | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | So, If you think it makes sense to adopt it, +2 otherwise, I'll STFU and ktanksbai | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | any other question on dox? | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | i'll take that as a no | 15:10 |
| vkmc | not from me | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic Goals for the next couple of weeks (flaper87) | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Goals for the next couple of weeks (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:10 | |
| flaper87 | Soooo, j-3 was cut last week. w0000000000000000t | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | we've rc1 ahead but with reaaaaallly few things in it | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | I'd like us to focus on getting the client back in shape | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | it's quite behind Zaqar and it'd be nice if we can get to the release with the client fulling supporting v1.1 | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | that should help us also smoke test j-3 and catch bugs | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I'll start by adding the v1.1 spec to the client | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | and we can work on the missing features on top of that | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | I am finishing up the last Redis patch I wanted to land | 15:12 |
| vkmc | we still have to finish the support for v1.0 in the client | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | important performance patch | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to start adding v1.1 to the client | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: wiat, what? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | what's missing? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | I thought we had full support for it | 15:12 |
| vkmc | shouldn't it make sense to get feedback from the community about v1.1 and then add the support for v1.1? | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I think vkmc is referring to CLI commands | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | let me rephrase, what's missing that was not added in Juno? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | aaaaaaah ok ok | 15:13 |
| vkmc | oh sorry | 15:13 |
| vkmc | yes | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | well, that makes sense | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | and a full series of screencasts. | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | ;) | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I know you started working on that a couple of weeks ago | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | what about you keep taking care of the CLI and I worked on the v1.1 support for the *library* ? | 15:13 |
| vkmc | flaper87, I did yeah, I was waiting for some feedback to keep working on it | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | Does that sound good to you? | 15:13 |
| vkmc | of course it does | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | awesome | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | yeah, we also decided docs was higher priority at the time | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | indeed! | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | vkmc has been working miracles w/ docs | 15:14 |
| vkmc | sorry I mixed terms | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy with the current state, really! | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | vkmc++ | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | ok, any other comment/thought ? | 15:15 |
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| vkmc | ok so, start adding v1.1 to the *client* and finish the *cli* for v1.0 | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | #topic Final graduation meeting tomorrow (flaper87) | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | #undo | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: yeah | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | the work on the CLI for v1.0 should be good for v1.1 too | 15:16 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | I think | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | The better the library is, the easier it'll be for others to start using zaqar | 15:16 |
| * kgriffs notest #undo command for future reference | 15:16 | |
| flaper87 | #topic Final graduation meeting tomorrow (flaper87) | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final graduation meeting tomorrow (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:16 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ;) | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | ok ok ok ok | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | I bet you didn't know this | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | tomorrow is the final review | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | A summary of what happened last week | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I think the TC meeting went well. There were some concerns raised about NoSQL being added as a requirement, whether we should add an optional project as integrated etc | 15:17 |
| * flaper87 wishes he had the link to the email thread handy | 15:17 | |
| flaper87 | Those concerns were sent to the mailing list to start a discussion before our meeting tomorrow | 15:18 |
| vkmc | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg33997.html | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | We haven't gotten as much feedback as I'd have liked | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: thanks :D | 15:18 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg33997.html | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | anyway, tomorrow is the big day | 15:19 |
| vkmc | is there anything we could do to be 'more' prepared? | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | Whether we're graduating or not, I think Zaqar is a gread product and ready to be consumed by big players | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: that's actually one of the things I wanted to ask :D | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | you stole my thunder | 15:19 |
| vkmc | sorryyyy | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | Do you think there's something missing for tomorrow? | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: kidding | 15:20 |
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| vkmc | today I'm being a pain in the neck | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | Do you reckon we should prepare more material before our meeting tomorrow? | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | If any, will that actually help? | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: how is that etherpad coming w/ use cases? | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | I've prepared - with the help of many gentle folks from other teams - this etherpad with use cases: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-integrated-projects-use-cases | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | I think it may be helpful to highlight why those use cases couldn't just be done on top of RabbitMQ | 15:21 |
| vkmc | yeah... that etherpad is key | 15:21 |
| * flaper87 kicks kgriffs out of his brain | 15:21 | |
| kgriffs | because, that is what some folks are hinting at | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I need to get some Trove folks to look at it | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I'll do that today | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | user agent is a big one | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | can you get some guys from that project to comment? | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I think there're some really neat/key use-cases in the etherpad already | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | but we need moar | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | yup | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | I'll chase them down to hell if needed | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | I say that because it would be silly to try to expose a Rabbit endpoint to the guest | 15:22 |
| * kgriffs in my opinion | 15:22 | |
| flaper87 | They were in the session at the Juno summit and I talked with them afterwards | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | firewall, and also security issues, and stuff | 15:22 |
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| flaper87 | They mentioned several times the will of adoption Zaqar once it graduates | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | cool | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | the use case is precisely the user-agent thing | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | s/adoption/adopting/ | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | anyway, me and my silly typos | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | Rackspace has also talked about using Zaqar to communicate with the backup agents used in Cloud Backup, although that product is not OpenStack, it does highlight an "app/saas use case" | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: would it be worth it to mention it in the use-cases list? | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I think so | 15:24 |
| vkmc | I think so too | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | awesome, lets add it | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: try to track down ametts and see if they are still thinking about it | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: kk, I'll see if he's around otherwise I'll just call his wife and ask where he is | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | sweet | 15:25 |
| * flaper87 will chase everybody down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:25 | |
| flaper87 | no mercy | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | (isn't that the name of some boy-band ? | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | ) | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | anyway. Other than that, is there anything you think we should totally do? | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: I'll send an email to Mr. Metts | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: awesome, that'd be great | 15:26 |
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| flaper87 | nothing else comes to my mind, really | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | I believe everything that had to be said has been said | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | pretty please everone review my redis patchset in 30 mins | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | (will upload soon) | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | I'll take a look at the logs of last week meeting and see if I spot something else | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | has anyone heard from prashanth lately? | 15:28 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah, he showed up then dissapeared | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 15:28 |
| vkmc | hmm... and the NoSQL concern? is there something else to say there? | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: girl, you almost made me say something I was going to regret :D | 15:28 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, I saw him last week, when we chatted about the gc script | 15:28 |
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| kgriffs | it's a little frustrating - they say SQL is an anti-pattern, so we use NoSQL and they say "ain't nobody gonna deploy that" | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I don't think so, I mean. We can't do much there | 15:28 |
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| vkmc | flaper87, :x should I STFU for the rest of the day? lol | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | WE depend on it and if that is a real issue, which I don't think it is, then I dunno what to do | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: hahaha, nooo. "It's not you, it's me" | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | (ROFL) | 15:29 |
| vkmc | oh c'mon I don't believe you hahaha | 15:29 |
| vkmc | well, yeah... there is not much to do there | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | yeah :/ | 15:30 |
| vkmc | I don't buy that of 'nobody gonna deploy that' | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | well, that's what people said about openstack when it first came out | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | ;) | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | someone needs to call them on this catch-22 | 15:31 |
| vkmc | if they are deploying OpenStack then NoSQL shouldn't be a problem | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | seriously, I do see the problem about "adding a new technology to the stack" but I don't think that's the real concern | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | that just happened to be there | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | the real concern is the "should we add a project that is optional to the integrated team, which also adds a NoSQL dependency to the stack" | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | or something along that | 15:32 |
| vkmc | it's not Zaqar only | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I know | 15:32 |
| vkmc | other projects use NoSQL as well | 15:32 |
| cpallares | flaper87: I think their concern was about training people to use it, no? | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: that was also there, yeah. | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | but still, it's part of the growth and evolution | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | I'm surrounded by sys admins at work. They have no trouble deploying, say, Elasticsearch if the tool they want to use requires it. | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | I think admins are smarter than many give them credit. | 15:33 |
| vkmc | +1 kgriffs | 15:33 |
| cpallares | kgriffs: That's a good argument. | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: exactly, they'll just figure it out | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | anyway, we all agree on that | 15:34 |
| vkmc | also... with that thinking we wouldn't be able to achieve greater things | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | lets bring all this comments to the meeting tomorrow | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | we'll see what happens | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | I mentioned several times that I'd be happy if Zaqar gets moved to an 'optional-projects' group once that group exists | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yeah | 15:35 |
| vkmc | '640k ought to be enough for everybody' thinking | 15:35 |
| vkmc | me too | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | great | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | so, I've nothing else to add there | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | but it is silly to hold up graduation based on pie-in-the-sky-maybe-someday thinking around the future of the integrated release. In the meantime, we could be delivering a lot of value to other projects and app developers. | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | indeed, that's the point I hope we'll be able to make tomorrow when this'll come up | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | One way or another, Zaqar will be blessed one day so why should we delay it if technically speaking it's up for the game | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | ? | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | cool, that's all I've got. | 15:37 |
| vkmc | +1 flaper87 | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:38 | |
| flaper87 | So, I finally watched all episodes of True Detective seasson 1 | 15:38 |
| vkmc | LOL | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | ZOMFG | 15:38 |
| vkmc | I was going to mention that I saw Undateable | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | the seasson two will come out in summer 2014 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | what's wrong with people ? | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: isn't it fun? | 15:38 |
| vkmc | s/saw/watched | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: you should also watch `Mom` | 15:39 |
| vkmc | yup | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | it's really fun too | 15:39 |
| vkmc | will do :) | 15:39 |
| vkmc | I also gave a shot to The Wire | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | That one didn't catch me, I should probably try again | 15:39 |
| vkmc | I couldn't finish the first episode | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | lol | 15:40 |
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| vkmc | but probably it's me | 15:40 |
| vkmc | hahaha | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | it's not you, it's them | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:40 |
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| flaper87 | anyway, something else folks want to talk about? | 15:40 |
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| flaper87 | otherwise, I'll call it! | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | ok, thanks guys. Hope to see you all tomorrow at the TC meeting | 15:41 |
| vkmc | nobody else wants to discuss about tv shows | 15:41 |
| * vkmc sad panda | 15:41 | |
| flaper87 | remember, it's at 20:00 UTC | 15:41 |
| cpallares | lol | 15:41 |
| * flaper87 sad panda | 15:41 | |
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| cpallares | I've heard good things about true detective | 15:41 |
| vkmc | must watch cpallares | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: it's A.M.A.Z.I.N.G | 15:42 |
| * cpallares will watch | 15:42 | |
| flaper87 | Watch tru detective you must | 15:42 |
| vkmc | be careful with flaper87, he is a spoiler | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | true* | 15:42 |
| cpallares | :O | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: WHA? | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | that's not trueeeeeeeeeeeee | 15:42 |
| vkmc | lol | 15:42 |
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| flaper87 | I had to quit IRC and delete all logs because vkmc was spoiling true detective | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | my eyes were bleeding | 15:43 |
| cpallares | vkmc: :O et tu? | 15:43 |
| cpallares | tsk, tsk | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | cpallares: so now you don't believe me, ah? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 15:43 |
| vkmc | cpallares, I didn't do that | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | in any case, it's kgriffs' fault! | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 15:43 |
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| cpallares | It's always kgriffs fault | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 15:43:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-08-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-08-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-09-08-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
| vkmc | haha thanks guys | 15:44 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 15:45 |
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| rockyg | hello, hello? | 19:07 |
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| rockyg | #commands | 19:24 |
| rockyg | #help | 19:24 |
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| reed | hi rockyg, what's up? | 19:35 |
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| rockyg | reed: nada. just testing stuff on a currently not happening meeting channel | 19:52 |
| reed | rockyg, ok, the meetbot wiki has all the commands | 19:52 |
| reed | https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 19:53 |
| rockyg | Thanks! Bookmarked. | 20:03 |
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