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| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_: s3wong songole: there? | 17:32 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my irc client acting up again | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 17:32 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:32 |
| s3wong | I noticed | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 17:33:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking Advanced Services)" | 17:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advanced_services' | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs s3wong Kanzhe_ songole dougwig | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case i get dropped | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:33 |
| pcm_ | hi | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #announcements Juno feature proposal freeze deadline is aug 21st | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or that was more of an info! | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we already know it | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i tried to check mestery last couple of weeks in this IRC meeting about priorities, etc | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i -> we | 17:35 |
| Kanzhe_ | SumitNaiksatam: I am here. | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_: welcome back! :-) | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think mestery is around today either | 17:35 |
| Kanzhe_ | SumitNaiksatam: thanks. | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Flavors (Meeting topic: Networking Advanced Services)" | 17:36 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_ markmcclain there? | 17:36 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 17:36 |
| enikanorov_ | i'm here | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: any updates on the spec? | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723 | 17:37 |
| enikanorov_ | no | 17:37 |
| enikanorov_ | unfortunately... | 17:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ok | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: we are still pursuing the implementation patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105982? | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i see that dougwig and pcm_ reviewed, thats great, thanks! | 17:38 |
| LouisF | enikanorov_: is there going to a merge of the two specs? | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: perhaps just needs a rebase | 17:38 |
| enikanorov_ | LouisF: that's a question. I feel we're deffering whole thing to K | 17:38 |
| dougwig | i asked about flavors during the neutron meeting, and got an answer that it'd make J. | 17:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: ok | 17:39 |
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| enikanorov_ | dougwig: well, I'd be glad if someone help me pinging Mark :) | 17:40 |
| dougwig | i will. :) | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: any else to add? :-) | 17:41 |
| enikanorov_ | the impl patch just needs a rebase bacause of migrations went ahead | 17:41 |
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| enikanorov_ | not really. | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: yeah, i guessed as much | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for enikanorov_ apart from the ones already asked? | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | which BP will be the one for flavor or it will be a merged one? | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps reviewing #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105982 | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | might help | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723 | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or some variant of it based on reviewer’s comments | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: ok, tahnsk | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: correct? | 17:42 |
| enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: thanks | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base and insertion implementation update | 17:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_: s3wong marios: hi | 17:43 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:43 |
| Kanzhe_ | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 17:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any updates? | 17:44 |
| Kanzhe_ | We are making progress in implementation. | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_: good | 17:44 |
| s3wong | So I had a meeting with blogan and dougwig last Thurs - and concluded that we won't migrate LBaaS v1 to service insertion framework | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay | 17:44 |
| s3wong | and I met with Kanzhe_ and kevinbenton last Friday to divide up work | 17:45 |
| s3wong | the conclusion is that we will only do an experimental migration on vpnaas only | 17:45 |
| LouisF | will fwaas use service base? | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah, my question too ^^^? | 17:45 |
| s3wong | LouisF: Not before Thursday deadline | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is SridarK here? | 17:46 |
| s3wong | (technically once the change to ServicePluginBase is in, all services will be "using" it) | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: so you guys narrowed down on vpnaas because its easier? | 17:46 |
| s3wong | but of course, none of them will do anything w.r.t. service interfaces | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather limited in scope? | 17:46 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes :-) | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in my opinion, fwaas was the one which would have benefited the most | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on vpnaas, is marios here | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 17:47 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: certainly - but also the most work on the service (FWaaS) itself | 17:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i believe SridarK had prepped for this, but we need to check with him | 17:47 |
| Kanzhe_ | SumitNaiksatam, agree, based on the schedule, it is more realistic to do VPN at first. | 17:48 |
| s3wong | at this point, I think it is a stretch to expect SridarK to have it ready by tomorrow | 17:48 |
| s3wong | (also, we still don't have neutron python-client...) | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i meant my understanding was that there was some prep already done on this front, but anyway we can check offline | 17:48 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: the client is not bound by milestone constrains | 17:49 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: good to know! :-) | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so there should be a little more flexibility there | 17:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, client code is released independently | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, on the technical aspects | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_ s3wong: any blockers? | 17:50 |
| Kanzhe_ | SumitNaiksatam: we will meet later today for initial integration. | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we need to discuss in this meeting, or any course corrections we had to make? | 17:50 |
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| Kanzhe_ | we will know then. :-) | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe_: ok good to know | 17:50 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: my patch will depend on Kanzhe_ 's, so technically that is a blocker :-) | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios had the vpnaas patch in place | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i am assuming you are coordinating with him? | 17:52 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: marios: yes, we will | 17:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: you have the link to your WIP patch? | 17:53 |
| s3wong | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113975/ | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and it would be helpful if you can update the wiki page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan | 17:53 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 17:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: Kanzhe_: thanks | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for s3wong, Kanzhe_ ? | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Chaining | 17:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 17:55 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: updates? | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe you have the CLI patch as well | 17:55 |
| songole | We are making progress on the implementation | 17:55 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: i had that question on direction at last meeting | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: links to the patches? | 17:56 |
| songole | I will be uploading patches | 17:56 |
| songole | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113737/ | 17:56 |
| songole | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113738/ | 17:56 |
| songole | 2nd link is CLI patch | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks! | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | can you update the wiki page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan | 17:57 |
| songole | ok | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: sorry go ahead | 17:57 |
| LouisF | there is a list of services but the order is not ambiguous | 17:58 |
| LouisF | remove not^ | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: you mean the order is ambigous? | 17:59 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: is this in the context of the return traffic? | 17:59 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 17:59 |
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| LouisF | my comment in the most recent patch describes a solution | 18:00 |
| songole | LouisF: for Juno we are keeping it simple | 18:00 |
| songole | LouisF: the order will be reversed for return traffic | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: my understanding from the reading the spec and the comments was that there is only one order | 18:00 |
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| LouisF | the order is specified but with respect to what? | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: I have given similar comments before and raise this in a previous meeting and there is an action item for this. | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: i thought that comment was responded to in the spec | 18:02 |
| mandeep | The order of the services application is specified explicitly in the spec. | 18:02 |
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| cathy_ | no AFAIK | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: ok so i might be confusing the responses | 18:02 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, i forgot to do that | 18:02 |
| cathy_ | Let me descirbe the problem here again | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ah the action item was for hemanthravi :-) | 18:02 |
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| hemanthravi | the order of the services is the reverse order for outgoing traffic | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: can you point to the line in the spec which mentions order clarification (just for the benefit of everyone here)? | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: line number in spec? | 18:03 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: line 207 208 mention ingress / egress traffic but they are undefined | 18:03 |
| hemanthravi | 162 | 18:04 |
| songole | LouisF: correct :) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: ah yes, the example | 18:04 |
| cathy_ | The service chain API specifies sequence of the service functions, eg. FW and IPS, Then it specifies a neutorn port for it. The neutron port is between a subnet and a router, so the quesiton is | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks, yeah 161 and 162 | 18:04 |
| mandeep | LouisF: The example states the exact order. | 18:04 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:04 |
| LouisF | mandeep: yes there is an order but ingress/egress is undefined | 18:05 |
| mandeep | LouisF: Lines 181-184 | 18:05 |
| cathy_ | is the sequnce "subnet, fw, ips, router" or "router, fw, ips, subnet" | 18:05 |
| cathy_ | ? | 18:05 |
| mandeep | cathy_: What is subnet in this context? A service? | 18:06 |
| mandeep | cathy_: See lines 181-184 | 18:06 |
| cathy_ | That is the example in your spec, a neutorn port between a subnet and a router | 18:06 |
| regXboi | hmm | 18:06 |
| cathy_ | the subnet is a sub network | 18:06 |
| mandeep | Why is that in the service chain? | 18:06 |
| mandeep | It is not a service | 18:07 |
| regXboi | so I see the spec and it is very clear | 18:07 |
| mandeep | regXboi: Thanks | 18:07 |
| regXboi | but I'm not really happy about a service chain *requiring* mirror image on return traffic | 18:07 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: could you refer to the example in your spec about the neutron port? | 18:07 |
| regXboi | I would have preferred that to be a parameter of the chain itself | 18:07 |
| mandeep | regXboi: This was for first stage of implementation (Juno) | 18:08 |
| regXboi | mandeep: is there a blue print on loosening that up? | 18:08 |
| mandeep | regXboi: In future, we canallow different orders, but I wanted to harmonize that with traffic steering and hence avoided gerring into that now | 18:08 |
| mandeep | 'getting' | 18:08 |
| regXboi | mandeep: I liked gerriting :) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: :-) | 18:09 |
| mandeep | cathy_: I did not understand your question. | 18:09 |
| mandeep | regXboi: ;-) | 18:09 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: no really. Ok, let me try again | 18:09 |
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| regXboi | we have an underlying implementation that already allows different orders - hence my question | 18:10 |
| cathy_ | the neutorn port is between an externale network and a router | 18:10 |
| regXboi | or not question - comment | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: i believe the port is on a network | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean all “ports” are on a network | 18:10 |
| LouisF | mandeep: the direction traffic is not defined - the example imples the N1 - > E1 is egress - right? | 18:10 |
| cathy_ | what is the sequence: "extenral network, FW, IPS, router" or "router, FW, IPS, external network"? | 18:10 |
| mandeep | regXboi: I agree that it is a nice feature to have, particularly for interoperation with NFV | 18:11 |
| regXboi | port is scoped by network, but if you look at the "device_owner" it's the router | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: true | 18:11 |
| mandeep | regXboi: But I was worried that if we added it now, it might need to get updated when we have TS integrated | 18:11 |
| cathy_ | regXboi: I already gave such comments twice before in the spec and raised it in a previous meeting | 18:11 |
| hemanthravi | LouisF, that's correct | 18:11 |
| regXboi | mandeep: point taken | 18:11 |
| mandeep | regXboi: So I created a simpler spec for Juno, which can always evolve later if we need more control. | 18:12 |
| regXboi | ok, so I think LouisF and cathy_ are asking the same thing, just in different ways | 18:12 |
| mandeep | cathy_: I will try to address that in an email | 18:13 |
| LouisF | hemanthravi: so between any two networks the direction is undefined - right? | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | mandeep, on lines 207/28 for the chain [FW, LB] is the sequence correct or should it be reversed | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | that should be 208 | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so is the difference in understanding with respect to the implicit convention (currently) versus explicit for specifying directions? | 18:13 |
| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: it looks like it | 18:13 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: Could you just provide an answer to my simple example? That will help calrify my simple question:-) | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: okay, when we reviewed the spec it seemed that those concerns were addressed in the spec and was made explicit, but perhaps not as clear | 18:14 |
| mandeep | cathy_: I believe the problem is in the question, so the example will probably not address it. | 18:14 |
| regXboi | I'd say the implicit convention is that ingress is from network through port and egress is through port to network (based on the example) | 18:15 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: just for my example, could you let us know what is the sequence? | 18:15 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: it is correct | 18:15 |
| cathy_ | I think existing API is ambigous about that | 18:15 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: so convention internal network to external net = egress direction? | 18:15 |
| mandeep | cathy_: The error is that subnet is not a service and you are confusing data-path with service order | 18:16 |
| regXboi | LouisF: how did you get to that? | 18:16 |
| LouisF | regXboi: based on the example | 18:16 |
| cathy_ | I am not saying a subnet is a service. | 18:16 |
| cathy_ | It is never a service | 18:16 |
| regXboi | I don't see where internal network shows up in the example | 18:16 |
| regXboi | I see external network, router and port | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: i believe what you are saying is the traffic originating on the internal network/subnet? | 18:17 |
| mandeep | LouisF: See lines 204-209 | 18:17 |
| regXboi | let me restate that :) | 18:17 |
| LouisF | regXboi: 177 - 179 | 18:17 |
| regXboi | yes, I see that the example talks about internal networks, but they are only window dressing and don't really matter | 18:17 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: Let me tyr again. I am using the example given in the service chain spec. | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: sure | 18:18 |
| mandeep | cathy_: Line numbers? | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | in this eg, the chain [FW, LB] is between ext-net and N1/N2 | 18:18 |
| cathy_ | How about this? I am going to send an email to the alias | 18:19 |
| mandeep | cathy_: And the order there is specified on lines 204-209 exactly | 18:19 |
| mandeep | cathy_: OK | 18:19 |
| * regXboi wonders if he's helping or not | 18:19 | |
| * mandeep is wondering the same thing | 18:20 | |
| * regXboi wonders if mandeep is wondering about self or about regXboi :) | 18:20 | |
| * mandeep about myself ;-) | 18:20 | |
| * regXboi quotes "join the club, we've got jackets" | 18:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets park this for now | 18:22 |
| songole | cathy_: it helps if you explain your implementation briefly as well in the mail. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think mandeep songole hemanthravi feel that this is clarified in the spec, but its not clear to cathy_ and LouisF | 18:22 |
| cathy_ | regXboi: I see your reply "I'd say the implicit convention is that ingress is from network through port and egress is through port to network (based on the example)" | 18:22 |
| LouisF | mandeep: it would help if there was text stating the convention for traffic direction | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets follow up to clarify that | 18:22 |
| cathy_ | That is my question | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to reach out to cathy_ LouisF mandeep songole hemanthravi to clarify on the spec | 18:23 |
| cathy_ | I think it is better to make it explict instead of guessing the "implicit" | 18:23 |
| mandeep | The spec says - On port P1: FW->LB->R1 for ingress traffic | 18:23 |
| mandeep | R1->LB->FW for egress traffic. | 18:23 |
| regXboi | mandeep: yes, and that makes the implicit convention that I stated above | 18:24 |
| mandeep | The Port, the direction, the order are all exactly specified | 18:24 |
| mandeep | hence my confusion on what is ambigious? | 18:24 |
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| mandeep | that is why I am not able to parse the question | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: okay lets circle back on that | 18:24 |
| cathy_ | Today Louis and I have the question on the "implicit", tomorrow other people might have same questions or needs to guess the "implicit". That is my whole purpose of raining this quesiton. Could we make it "explicit"? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: LouisF: lets circle back today itself, sounds okay? | 18:25 |
| hemanthravi | would it be less confusing to say P1->FW->LB and LB->FW->P1 | 18:25 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: I disagree | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, i think we have to yield to a couple of other sub-topics | 18:26 |
| regXboi | mandeep: +1 | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Traffic Steering | 18:26 |
| LouisF | mandeep: that is in the example, would better if added to line 125, 146 | 18:26 |
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| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: +2 :) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: hi | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know we are not pursuing this for Juno | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but any quick updates? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or any feedback you need from the team? | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps cgoncalves is not around | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tap | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: vinay_yadhav: here? | 18:28 |
| vinay_yadhav | Hi | 18:28 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 18:28 |
| vinay_yadhav | We will put up an updated version of the spec this week | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav anil_rao hi, sorry for making you wait for two meetings for this ;-( | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: ok great | 18:29 |
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| vinay_yadhav | with some changes clarifiing some question | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: thats good, and perhaps an email to the -dev mailing list will draw attention to this topic | 18:29 |
| vinay_yadhav | we are also checking up on implementation parts of the spec | 18:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: sure | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: oh good | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: we still have the WIP patch? | 18:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | of the code u mean | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: yeah | 18:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: we have not put it up | 18:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | but would like to do it | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: okay whenever you are ready | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: anil_rao: thanks for the update | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have hit the hour | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so last week some of the cores mentioned in this meeting that we should reconsider the work here, based on priorities, and in the context of the “incubator” proposal | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | given that the direction came pretty late in the cycle, my understanding here is that the team at least wants to get a shot at the patches in J3, and hence we will try to meet the FPF deadline | 18:33 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: do you know which BP under this umbrella will go to J release? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we dont meet that we are obviously out | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: good question :-) | 18:33 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: any more discussion on this (within the cores)? service insertion got a lot of heat last week | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: that said once we have a working implementation, we can decide where to go with it | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: so as a team, we just got to keep working together | 18:34 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | IMHO it does not matter whether its the main repo or not | 18:34 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as long as we can get the right implementation in, and have some users use it | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in general i think it was already suggested in the past that adv services should be a separate service/project | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so this might evolve in that direction, who knows | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe our mission in this team was to have clean interfaces defined in neutron to be able to facilitate the integration of services | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | most of what we have discussed today is towards that end | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think any that has changed, right? | 18:36 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: +1 without that not sure how things can be even moved out | 18:37 |
| mandeep | SridarK: +1 | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we are well over | 18:37 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other parting thoughts? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am having a bad connection again | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 18:39:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:39 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-08-20-17.33.html | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-08-20-17.33.txt | 18:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-08-20-17.33.log.html | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:39 |
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| songole | bye | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:39 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 20 18:39:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:39 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:39 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs SridarK badveli garyduan | 18:40 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:40 |
| SridarK | hi all | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action item review | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli do we have the DVR wiki page? | 18:42 |
| badveli | yes we have some info on the wiki | 18:42 |
| SridarK | yes it is up | 18:42 |
| SridarK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/FWaaS-DVR | 18:42 |
| SridarK | badveli: & i put in some basic info and pointers | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we can tweak this more - will do so | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: swee! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *sweet | 18:44 |
| SridarK | thanks to badveli as well | 18:44 |
| badveli | thanks | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes indeed, thanks! | 18:45 |
| badveli | thanks Sumit, Sridar | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe we didnt have any more action items | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last week that is (apart from the real work we had to do :-)) | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:46 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i tried to bug scrub a bit last week as well | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so the highest priority pending bug is a medium one: | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes sorry - i have been swamped and could not really take a look at any new bugs | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1334981 | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: no worries | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other bugs have patches in reviews | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i checked with koteswara and i have not gotten a response yet | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we shoud discuss here? | 18:50 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing that i am aware of | 18:50 |
| badveli | Sumit: we will wait for the armando fix regarding the router creation and the firewall | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, hopefully we can make progress with that issue with that patch | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: have exchanged some comments with armando on that - i think that last review did not yield success | 18:52 |
| badveli | Yes Sumit, hopefully the gate failures will not be seen lot of times | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah ok, the last i looked i had not see the vote | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: the last patch set you mean? | 18:53 |
| SridarK | yes | 18:53 |
| SridarK | will experiment once i have my changes for dvr also | 18:53 |
| badveli | Sridar: I also went through but not spend too much time | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok so lets to the DVR discussion | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS support for DVR | 18:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS support for DVR (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:54 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for initiating the WebEx call with the DVR team yesterday | 18:54 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: np at all | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if i have to summarize: | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 1. the DVR code will raise an exception if a migration is attempted from legacy to DVR or vice-versa if that tenant has a firewall | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 2. the FWaaS support will conditionally process the DVR and the legacy cases | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | meaning we will support both scenarios | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | though, the approved spec does not commit to doing this in a concurrent manner | 18:58 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we just rely on the basic support for DVR we are adding for (2) | 18:58 |
| badveli | I think with patch and the exception | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, the current PoA is to either support FWaaS for all routers in DVR or legacy mode, but not in mixed-mode | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | everybody agree with the above, or are there any other nuances? | 18:59 |
| badveli | Sumit: Looks like with our patch we should be able to support both | 18:59 |
| badveli | mixed mode should be automatically taken care | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay, but we have not mentioned that in the spec | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: so we will claim that it works only after we have tested it | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more of a question for the team | 19:00 |
| badveli | Yes we have written down some thing like that on wiki | 19:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: on the PoA - from the discussion not sure that we can avoid the mixed mode from yesterday's discussion | 19:00 |
| badveli | Sridar and myself will test it out and see | 19:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the mixed mode - we need to consider what we were calling 2a & 2b | 19:01 |
| SridarK | When FWaaS comes after routers - we can check for this in the agent | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, 2a and 2b | 19:02 |
| SridarK | but if a router comes after fwaas | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: however, i dont think we can just support one and not the other | 19:02 |
| SridarK | then the check has to be done on the dvr side | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence my suggestion is that we dont claim just yet that we support the mixed-mode | 19:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok we will not claim this | 19:02 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but we cannot prevent it | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if the theory that the mixed-mode will be supported automatically on account of the FWaaS support for DVR is true, we are in good shape anyway | 19:03 |
| badveli | Sridark: I am trying to understand with our patch we should not be in a worry state | 19:03 |
| badveli | sumit: that is what i am saying | 19:03 |
| SridarK | badveli: hmm | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i have not seen enough of the patch to make a confident assertion | 19:03 |
| badveli | it should be automatically taken care | 19:03 |
| SridarK | the patch can handle both cases | 19:04 |
| SridarK | but will not check for state of other routers | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli: i dont have a problem if you want to claim that we support both 2a and 2b, but then you are on the hook :-) | 19:04 |
| SridarK | so basically a router is added - we will check the mode of that router and add the rules in appropriate namespace | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my thinking was that since this was not explicitly stated or requested in the blueprint spec, it was not a requirement | 19:05 |
| badveli | Sridar: Right Sumit: We will check that and figure out | 19:05 |
| SridarK | but we are not checking if this router also conforms with all the other routers in the tenant | 19:05 |
| SridarK | we can do that | 19:05 |
| badveli | if what ever understanding with DVR team | 19:05 |
| badveli | is the way it is | 19:06 |
| SridarK | but then DVR has to do that too which i think they did not want to do | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think i am trying to say - we could land up in a mixed mode | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: if we don't want to - we have to do something extra to prevent it | 19:07 |
| badveli | Sridar: Atleast looks to me the DVR code should give proper triggers | 19:07 |
| SridarK | both on our side and as well as DVR | 19:07 |
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| badveli | Sridark: should we experiment with the patch | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: talking to swami yesterday my understanding was that we do that “something” only if we have to | 19:08 |
| badveli | and see if we it is not sufficient? | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: and that is based on our experience from implementing the base support | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, i think i am saying the same thing you are saying | 19:09 |
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| badveli | Yes Sumit | 19:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes correct - | 19:09 |
| badveli | We should do something only if it is needed | 19:09 |
| badveli | this we will have an idea once we have the patch and test it out | 19:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i was just pointing out that we will not naturally avoid mixed mode | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah yes | 19:10 |
| badveli | Correct Sridar and Sumit | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets discuss the mitigation plan | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case after implemeting the current patch, and experimenting the mixed-mode we realize that there is a hitch | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and something that we cannot achieve in the J time frame | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what is the mitigation? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i believe that is what you want to bring up? | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes hopefully no issues | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: no, but if there are, what is our mitigation? | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but in case there is an issue on mixed mode - we can prevent it - for 2b | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but for full solution we need DVR to prevent it also | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes prevent it from FwaaS to address 2b (which is that the firewall is created after the mixed mode routers) | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, which is 2a | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes exactly | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: when routers come fwaas | 19:12 |
| SridarK | then dvr will need to prevent it | 19:13 |
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| SridarK | which Swami said may not be something easy to do for them | 19:13 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am not sure how common the mixed mode scenario is | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets do this | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets send an email to swami and team about 2a stating what we propose as the mitigation plan | 19:14 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: and again, its a mitigation plan, not the main plan | 19:15 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes worst case scenario | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes | 19:15 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will do so | 19:15 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: meanwhile i am revising the changes and we will get more testing | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK badveli to send email to DVR team/Swami with a proposal on the mitigation plan for scenarion 2a (firewall is present, and then mixed-mode router creation is attempted) | 19:16 |
| SridarK | done | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: nice | 19:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so going back to 1 | 19:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | do we need to support the get_firewalls()? | 19:17 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes we have something like get_firewall_count() | 19:17 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Swami pinged me yesterday - i pointed him to plugin methods to see if that works | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah cool | 19:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: you are right, the count would work just fine | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: u have added things earlier which should work | 19:17 |
| badveli | Sorry i missed | 19:18 |
| badveli | network was down | 19:18 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: worst case we can tweak one of these | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: no worries | 19:18 |
| SridarK | badveli: no worries - will update u when we talk in the eve | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: SridarK mentioned that he reached out Swami yesterday | 19:18 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: rather Swami pinged me | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: my question was whether we need anything additional for supporting migration scenario 1 | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: SridarK’s suggestion is to use get_firewall_count() | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli can we document this on the wiki as well? | 19:19 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and perhaps point the DVR team to point to this | 19:20 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 19:20 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: np at all | 19:21 |
| badveli | Plugin uses this to know about the firewall, right and raise exception | 19:21 |
| SridarK | badveli: from the router plugin they will query the fwaas plugin | 19:21 |
| badveli | Yes | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK to add scenarion 1 FWaaS support details to DVR wiki, the suggestion is for the DVR code to call get_firewall_count() function | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: also, i think we should request the DVR team to cross reference our wiki page from their wiki page (if they have one) | 19:22 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes - they do have one - we can request Swami for that | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that will hopefully ensure propose visibility | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK to request Swami to cross link FWaaS DVR support wiki page from the DVR wiki page | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok anything more to discuss on the DVR support? | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing more - badveli and i will continue on this | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK badveli thanks for the update on this | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but do we have a working DVR setup now? | 19:25 |
| badveli | nothing major, i hope everything works as expected | 19:25 |
| badveli | We have a single node setup | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ah thats good | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we had plans to move to the two node setup as well? | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes not been able to do this | 19:26 |
| badveli | sorry my other server was taken by some one elase | 19:26 |
| badveli | else i have only one server as of now | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: hoping after this Aug 21 deadline - can may be do that trip to Sacremento to get a handle on the multinode | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay, perhaps good to socialize this plan with Swami as well | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have a hard stop at 12.30 PDT | 19:28 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but i too need to get another server and try this out | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes that will be really good (i think we need that) | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Objects | 19:28 |
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| badveli | yes i have been waiting | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i know you are waiting on reviews | 19:28 |
| badveli | i have some minor comments | 19:28 |
| badveli | that will be addressed | 19:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: but the DVR work has taken higher priority | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great, i will try to get to it at the earliest | 19:29 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i too am lax on this - i have promised badveli something real soon | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: that said, the lbaas stuff may or may not be in the main tree in Juno | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: same thing with VPN | 19:29 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: so we have to see where the discussion goes | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for now we stay on the message | 19:30 |
| badveli | sumit you mean fwaas? | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, for all of lbaas, vpnaas and fwaas | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets call it there for today | 19:30 |
| badveli | but we have the spec approved in juno | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:30 |
| SridarK | sounds good | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, hence we keep moving forward, unless we are told otherwise | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: the specs are approved for lbaas and vpnaas as well | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: also for GBP :-) | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its kind of unsettling and frustrating | 19:31 |
| badveli | thanks Sumit, atleast i am sure we get some reviews by today or tomorrow | 19:31 |
| badveli | if i can reach our team and some core people | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes, we have time until sept 5th for review if the direction is to keep this in the main tree | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that is not an issue | 19:32 |
| badveli | fine sumit | 19:32 |
| badveli | i was worried if we cannot get the review in time | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alirghty then | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 20 19:32:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:32 |
| badveli | as you are mentioning i am relying on you for this | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-08-20-18.39.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-08-20-18.39.txt | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-08-20-18.39.log.html | 19:33 |
| badveli | bye | 19:33 |
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