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| krotscheck | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 15:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| NikitaKo_ | Hi | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Good morning, beautiful people! | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so looking at the agenda I see two major things which I think are going to take the majority of the discussion time. | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | So I’m going to rearrange the meeting a bit and get the quick stuff out of the way. | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | (Those two items being Vision and Search) | 15:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 15:01 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: link to agenda? | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:01 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to self to make someone else update meetingbot with agenda pages. | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing Work. (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:01 | |
| krotscheck | Ish is still in HP background check hell. | 15:02 |
| * krotscheck is super annoyed at HR processes. | 15:02 | |
| krotscheck | I spent last week with a bunch of rebases, specification docs, and getting annoyed at font encoding engines. Ultimately, little actual progress, though we did manage to land Quicknav. | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | MaxV: You around? | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | Guess not. NikitaKo_ ? | 15:03 |
| NikitaKo_ | I'm here | 15:03 |
| NikitaKo_ | So, I've been working on Teams API | 15:04 |
| * krotscheck saw that, and likes where it’s going. | 15:04 | |
| NikitaKo_ | The DB part is on review | 15:04 |
| NikitaKo_ | The superusers migration is also there | 15:04 |
| NikitaKo_ | and the REST part is comming | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Excellent. | 15:05 |
| NikitaKo_ | I've also started looking at oslo.db | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKo_: Oh? Is that new and/or somethign we should really use? | 15:05 |
| NikitaKo_ | and I guess we will be able to migrate soon | 15:05 |
| NikitaKo_ | Nothing new there, but now it will be installed through requirements.txt | 15:06 |
| NikitaKo_ | which means no code syncs | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | That’s nice. | 15:07 |
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| NikitaKo_ | that's all from my side | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | ttx: You wrote a pretty spiffy vision doc, which we’ll talk about in a bit. Anything else? | 15:07 |
| ttx | I iterated on Tags specs. Haven't worked on team/groups although I think the use cases I contributed to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103667/ is probably most of it | 15:07 |
| ttx | so not sure a separate doc is still needed on that? | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | Fair point. NikitaKo_? Thoughts? | 15:08 |
| MaxV | krotscheck: hello | 15:09 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I can give it another thought and if I have more, propose it in a comment on that spec | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | ttx: That’ll work. | 15:09 |
| ttx | if we think it belongs to another doc we can still wiki it | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | MaxV: Hey there! Any updates from last week? | 15:10 |
| NikitaKo_ | krotscheck: re separate spec, I need to have a look | 15:10 |
| MaxV | krotscheck: No, I didn't had the time due to scss introduction in Horizon, but I think I will be able to make some patches and reviews during this week | 15:10 |
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| krotscheck | MaxV: Wow, sounds like y’all are doing good work over there :) | 15:11 |
| MaxV | krotscheck: I have started a script to avoid to download node again on each run | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Alright, Let’s see if teams and permissions can be merged. | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | MaxV: That would greatly speed up our builds. | 15:11 |
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| krotscheck | MaxV: It might be intersting to look at Trusty as a build node, since the version of node on that is way more recent. I’m a few months removed from that code though... | 15:12 |
| jeblair | MaxV: ++ | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Alright, on to specs... | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic Specs | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: StoryBoard)" | 15:12 | |
| krotscheck | So, from previous comments it sounds like Teams/Permissions are still under discussion. | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | FYI - I just added the permissions spec because it was on Etherpad and I didn’t want to lose my thoguhts there, if it becomes superfluous then we can get rid of it. | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | Most of the specs discussion (from past history) will likely focus on search, so I’d like to mention the others first. | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | First question for jeblair: At what point is a spec “approved”? For example, we’ve got the subscriptions spec, and it seems to have settled, and we’re already putting some of the pieces into place for that, but it’s not “Approved” yet. | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: So what’s the expectation there? | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so teams & permissions are still up for discussion. | 15:17 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i'll take a look at that again soon then | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | Other than that we still have search. | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | ttx, you added a comment to the search spec that I thought was interesting. | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | Quote: “The client-side implementation looks good. However game is not over yet on the server side final implementation. Maybe we could split this into initial search and scalable search, since it looks like we are implementing the first now ?” | 15:18 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: approved is, well, approved -- so when an infra-core leaves an approval vote | 15:18 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: and the patch lands to the repo | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Does it seem strange to you that storyboard-core can’t approve its own specs? | 15:18 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: not at all. storyboard is a constituent project of the infrastructure program, and the overall direction of that program is set by the ptl and core team | 15:19 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i plan on seeing that you, ttx, and other important players are in agreement before approving storyboard related specs | 15:19 |
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| krotscheck | Got it. | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | I disagree, but now’s not the time to talk about that. | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | On to ttx’s comment. | 15:20 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: if i do something you don't like there, feel free to discuss it with me. you can always run for ptl or take it up with the tc. | 15:20 |
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| krotscheck | I thought his comment was intersting in the split between “initial search” and “scaleable search" | 15:20 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: and as a last resort, you're welcome to work on whatever projects you want outside of the context of the openstack project. | 15:20 |
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| krotscheck | See, the client implementation is purely a browse UI. | 15:21 |
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| NikitaKo_ | There is a change for the server side | 15:21 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: but as long as you're trying to work within it, please do attempt to follow our processes. | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Have I not? | 15:21 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: you said you disagreed with them. | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: As I said: A bit out of context for the scope of this meeting, so I’ll drop you a private email later. Honestly, I feel like most of the things will end up on the disucssion for the vision doc. | 15:22 |
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| NikitaKo_ | which can be called "initial" | 15:22 |
| NikitaKo_ | here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101476/ | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Right! | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Soryr | 15:23 |
| * krotscheck is getting split between two conversations. | 15:23 | |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i didn't start the conversation, but i am prepared to finish it. i look forward to your email. | 15:23 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: my point there is that I expect the discussion on the final server-side solution to take a bit of time -- and it shouldn't block the client-side implementation (which uses the primitive server-side SQL-backed search) | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Yes please, I’ll drop you a line (I don’t disagree with process, just with underlying assumptions) | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | I totally agree with you ttx. | 15:24 |
| ttx | we can "improve" the server-side afterwards | 15:24 |
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| NikitaKo_ | I also agree | 15:24 |
| ttx | (inserts something about bridges being crossed) | 15:24 |
| NikitaKo_ | Action item for me to split it | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | #action NikitaKo_ Split search specification into “inital” and “scaleable" | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | I like the initial abstraction on that. | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | So it sounds like initial search has consensus, do we want to talk about scaleable search? | 15:26 |
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| * krotscheck may be wrong in assuming consensus. | 15:26 | |
| ttx | it's fine by me (initial) | 15:26 |
| ttx | I don't have strong opinions on scaleable, i'll defer to those who will implement/maintain the beast | 15:27 |
| * krotscheck has been familiarizing himself with the guts of Lucene/ES recently, so that he knows what he’s talking about :) | 15:28 | |
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| NikitaKo_ | Anyway the scalable solution will require messaging and a a lot of changes to puppet modules | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Messaging would be driving index rebuilds, yes? | 15:28 |
| NikitaKo_ | krotscheck: yes | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | Righto | 15:29 |
| NikitaKo_ | I think it makes sense to use messaging for both notifications and indexing | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKo_: I agree. | 15:30 |
| krotscheck | I’m a little worried that my own self-investment in that spec (due to my authorship) is making me blind to other potential solutions though, so if anyone has different thoughts... | 15:30 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t want messaging to be the hammer and everything else to be a nail. | 15:31 | |
| krotscheck | Anything else on specs before we switch over to Vision? | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Vision Document (ttx) | 15:32 |
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| krotscheck | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Vision | 15:32 |
| ttx | OK, so I drafted a basic vision while you were celebrating independence, trying to stay high-level and hopefully implementation-agnostic | 15:32 |
| ttx | I wrote remarks at the bottom | 15:32 |
| ttx | about things that were not as self-evident as the rest | 15:33 |
| ttx | which may trigger more discussions imho | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | As it should :) | 15:33 |
| ttx | Not sure if the rest of the "vision" is fully consensual though | 15:33 |
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| ttx | it's just that it flowed consistently when I wrote it | 15:34 |
| ttx | while the two sticky points felt more artificially attached | 15:34 |
| ttx | I still stand by those, because I still think it's the easiest way to solve that hole in our tooling | 15:34 |
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| ttx | but I welcome discussion on them | 15:34 |
| krotscheck | Honestly, I love that doc because I can pull actual features out of it very quickly. | 15:35 |
| ttx | it's a first draft, comments welcome | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | Case and point: The first paragraph tells me that tasks do not necessarily have to be attached to code. | 15:35 |
| ttx | krotscheck: did I manage to stay implementation-agnostic enough ? | 15:36 |
| ttx | The only thing that's pretty hardcoded in there is the task/story relationship | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Yes. I see no python. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | :) | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | The third paragraph also tells me that personal goals are a separate way of organizing tasks. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | I have one question: Does the spec meaningfully change if we replace “gerrit” with “code review system”? | 15:37 |
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| krotscheck | (similar with git vs. source control)( | 15:37 |
| ttx | krotscheck: no. we could say code review system and VCS | 15:38 |
| ttx | +1 | 15:38 |
| * ttx fixes | 15:38 | |
| krotscheck | Which of the notes do you want to talk about? | 15:38 |
| krotscheck | The bug vs task tracker is interesting. | 15:39 |
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| krotscheck | We have the “is_bug” flag in the db righ tnow. | 15:39 |
| ttx | so, another thing that emerged from this is that we could have 3 types | 15:39 |
| ttx | feature, bug and vulnerability | 15:40 |
| ttx | which are the key components of changelogs/release notes | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Interesting distinction | 15:40 |
| ttx | taking a step back allowed me to see the 3rd type | 15:40 |
| ttx | since I suddenly no longer saw it as a bug, but as a piece of release information to convey | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 15:41 |
| ttx | that said, if we drop the changelog task and let the VCS build it for us, it's a non-issue | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | Iiiiiinteresting. | 15:41 |
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| ttx | back to bugtracker/tasktracker | 15:41 |
| ttx | the problem with bug tracking is that it's almost a workflow that happens before the main use case (task tracking) happens | 15:42 |
| ttx | we can make the task tracker bug-submission friendly (which is the way we started to do that) | 15:42 |
| ttx | or we can try to have a separate tool / separate panels for bug submission/triaging | 15:42 |
| ttx | I still think the first option is the simplest, but i'm ready to have a long thought about it | 15:43 |
| ttx | I know that particular bit was bothering gothicmindfood as well | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | That kindof jives with some of the UX feedback I got around the workflow for a feature. Design discussion is something that happens well before any tasks are assigned, right? | 15:43 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: that's one way of seeing it yes... You could also consider it's just one of the tasks | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | True | 15:44 |
| ttx | task 0 | 15:44 |
| ttx | especially now that it lands in a code repo | 15:44 |
| * krotscheck wonders if a bug is simply a story with the Bug system tag | 15:44 | |
| ttx | and we can track the status of that | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | Hi there, ish_! | 15:45 |
| ish_ | Hi Michael.. | 15:45 |
| ttx | krotscheck: the trick there is... developers create stories and tasks for themselves in most cases. They may look at bugs and triage them, but it's almost a separate workflow | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Workflow-by-tag? | 15:46 |
| * krotscheck is just throwing concepts up against the wall here. | 15:46 | |
| ttx | krotscheck: yeah, probably the simplest | 15:46 |
| ttx | krotscheck: alternative is to have an incident response component in parallel of the task tracking component | 15:46 |
| ttx | but I fear that the former would get ignored | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Not if we surface it. | 15:47 |
| ttx | given that our devs are all cats | 15:47 |
| * gothicmindfood might be tired, but often thinks bugs are just a tag | 15:47 | |
| krotscheck | I like cats | 15:47 |
| krotscheck | I have two of them. As long as you have a little shiny red dot they will go wherever you want them to. | 15:47 |
| ttx | krotscheck: anyway, I just wanted to single out that those two parts of the "vision" were probably the ones were discussion should still happen | 15:47 |
| * gothicmindfood also requests a joke 'feature' tag to put with bugs if someone wants | 15:48 | |
| ttx | do you see anything questionable in the rest of the vision ? | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | Nope. | 15:48 |
| ttx | doesn't mean it's done or designed -- the whole "organize their work" thing is pretty nebulous at this point | 15:49 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Well, given that we can (soon) describe a search via a fixed set of criteria, saving those criteria into your own customized dashboard isn’t hard :) | 15:50 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Ok, so what part in particular do you want more focus on? | 15:51 |
| NikitaKo_ | krotscheck: do you mean we need something like gmail has, when you do a search and then say "create me a filter by that search" ? | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKo_: That’s what I’m thinking. Rather than try to proscribe what goes on someone’s dashboard, let people design it themselves. | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | (and then go in and figure out what people have actually built, and inform our use cases from that) | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | But that’s pie-in-the-sky right now. | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: I think the focus should still be on the milestones we defined on the roadmap | 15:54 |
| NikitaKo_ | users could build their subscriptions with the same mechanizm then | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | ttx: I agree | 15:54 |
| ttx | krotscheck: defining them after user adoption requirements is a pretty fgood way of doing it | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKo_: Yup. | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so we have 5 minutes, are there any major roadmap blockers that we’re running into? | 15:55 |
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| krotscheck | One thing I noticed is that we have lots of admin-related tasks but we don’t have any place to really put them into the UI. | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | Oh, also, ttx: Are project groups an admin thing or a anyone thing right now? | 15:56 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I think it can be an admin thing | 15:57 |
| ttx | coupled with personal project subscription | 15:57 |
| ttx | should cover most cases... | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Admin it is then. | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | Nobody has any roadmap blockers/ | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | ? | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | (Other than code reviews? :) ) | 15:58 |
| NikitaKo_ | nothing that I can see | 15:58 |
| ttx | nop | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 15:59:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-07-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-07-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-07-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| NikitaKo_ | Thanks | 15:59 |
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| ttx | thx! | 16:00 |
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| jcoufal | hi, any UXers around? | 16:59 |
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| jackib | hi | 17:01 |
| jackib | just the two of us? | 17:01 |
| jcoufal | hey Jacki | 17:01 |
| lblanchard | I'm here too, but I have an overlapping meeting | 17:01 |
| jcoufal | we will see | 17:01 |
| lblanchard | so I hope to be somewhat available during this hour :) | 17:01 |
| jcoufal | waiting for more attendees | 17:01 |
| rbertram | Horizon UX meeting? | 17:01 |
| jcoufal | yup | 17:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 17:02 |
| kadenceA | hi. I'm new around here - sitting in to learn a bit | 17:02 |
| jcoufal | kadenceA: welcome | 17:02 |
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| jcoufal | #startmeeting UX | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 17:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jcoufal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ux' | 17:02 |
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| jcoufal | Hello everybody | 17:03 |
| jcoufal | First of all I have to apology, I need to leave in 30 min, but feel free to continue afterwords without me | 17:03 |
| jcoufal | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX | 17:03 |
| jcoufal | #topic Meeting alternating times | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting alternating times (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:03 | |
| jcoufal | So last meeting we didn't have many attendees | 17:04 |
| jcoufal | so it looks that the alternating times are confusing | 17:04 |
| jcoufal | especially with bi-weekly occurance | 17:04 |
| jcoufal | therefore there was suggestion to keep the meetings regular, on Mondays this time, every other week | 17:05 |
| jcoufal | with this we can put into the meetings some regularity | 17:05 |
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| jcoufal | do you all agree? or is there anybody against this proposal? | 17:06 |
| lblanchard | +1 | 17:06 |
| rbertram | I think it's a usability enhancement | 17:06 |
| rbertram | +1 | 17:06 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 17:06 |
| kadenceA | +1 | 17:06 |
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| jcoufal | general agreement, nice | 17:07 |
| jcoufal | so next meeting will be in 14 days, the same time as this one | 17:07 |
| jcoufal | #topic Wireframes review tool | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Wireframes review tool (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:08 | |
| jcoufal | Adi couldn't make this meeting, but is there anybody who can give update on the progress here? | 17:08 |
| lblanchard | I left my feedback in the etherpad…does anyone have the link? | 17:08 |
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| jcoufal | jackib probably? | 17:08 |
| jackib | nope | 17:08 |
| jackib | it's not on the meeting page | 17:08 |
| jcoufal | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools | 17:08 |
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| jcoufal | Alright, it looks there are still just 2 given options, with some feedback left | 17:11 |
| jcoufal | if nobody has any updates...? | 17:11 |
| jackib | I don't have anything | 17:11 |
| jcoufal | then I wll need to sync with Adi to see what's going on there | 17:12 |
| jcoufal | #topic Faceted Search | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Faceted Search (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:12 | |
| jcoufal | last meeting we discussed this briefly but within smaller audience so we punted the topic to this meeting | 17:13 |
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| jcoufal | there is quite old blueprint for this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/faceted-search | 17:13 |
| jcoufal | but recently started by Travis | 17:13 |
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| jcoufal | The goal is to provide rich powerful search engine for Horizon | 17:14 |
| jcoufal | and the question is - Is anoyone in the UX group actively working on this? Has anyone given feedback in the past on it from a design perspective? | 17:14 |
| lblanchard | I have not been actively working on this... | 17:14 |
| david-lyle | so the work in that bp is dependent on a limited amount of meta-data that will be stored in glance in the future | 17:15 |
| jcoufal | Is anybody interested in helping and designing here? | 17:15 |
| david-lyle | that's not the short term answer or perhaps even the long term | 17:15 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: does that mean that until Glance supports this, we cannot do anything in Horizon, right? | 17:16 |
| david-lyle | I would like to see a concept that incorporates current API capabilities | 17:17 |
| david-lyle | and include the meta-data queries once available | 17:17 |
| jcoufal | did Travis moved somehow forward with that? Do you know about some initiative? | 17:17 |
| david-lyle | Travis started work on this before the summit, there was a grander architecture in mind, but the scope changed | 17:18 |
| david-lyle | so a giant db of all things in openstack isn't going to happen | 17:18 |
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| david-lyle | what the graffiti work has become is storing meta-data definitions in glance | 17:19 |
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| jcoufal | alright, I guess we should wait with some UX designs until some architecture concept is done first | 17:20 |
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| david-lyle | jcoufal: it would be beneficial to work on the UX of search based on API capabilities | 17:21 |
| lblanchard | would an ideal search on table design be helpful? | 17:21 |
| david-lyle | that's an accomplishable goal and would still be a great improvement | 17:21 |
| lblanchard | Would it help drive requirements? | 17:21 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: I think designing to use current API capabilities and how to improve upon that to drive development | 17:22 |
| david-lyle | would be highly useful | 17:23 |
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| david-lyle | lblanchard: so yes, as long as it builds on what's currently available | 17:25 |
| david-lyle | capabilities wise, not current implementation wise | 17:25 |
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| lblanchard | david-lyle: okay thanks | 17:27 |
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| lblanchard | jcoufal: unfortunately I don't have cycles currently to take this on…maybe keep it on the agenda to ask…or maybe we just need a blueprint for UX around it? | 17:28 |
| jcoufal | alright, I think we will get back to this topic at least one more time | 17:28 |
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| jcoufal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:29 | |
| jcoufal | now it's time for any agenda you have on top of your mind | 17:29 |
| jcoufal | any question, feel free to ask or to point to something | 17:29 |
| * zehicle side note - if you are looking for Refstack. we're on -alt | 17:29 | |
| david-lyle | launch instance? | 17:29 |
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| david-lyle | I don't feel like we have a solid plan forward on improving the launch instance flow | 17:30 |
| jcoufal | I am sorry I need to leave now, but please don't get disturbed and continue | 17:30 |
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| david-lyle | jcoufal: add lblanchard as a chair so she can end the meeting | 17:30 |
| jackib | Cedric and Maxime are setting up some usability testing for later this month | 17:30 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: you know how to add a chair? | 17:30 |
| jackib | testing the version Maxime did and potentially some mocks for another option | 17:30 |
| david-lyle | #chair lblanchard | 17:30 |
| jcoufal | #chair lblanchard | 17:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jcoufal lblanchard | 17:31 |
| jcoufal | that was easy :) | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | _1 | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 17:31 |
| jcoufal | thanks, I will still be around though | 17:31 |
| jcoufal | have a great day all and thank you for participation | 17:31 |
| lblanchard | :) | 17:31 |
| lblanchard | alrighty…anyone have anything else around faceted search? | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | jackib: I feel the current proposed improvements are a bandaid of sorts, I think something more drastic is necessary | 17:32 |
| david-lyle | but I may have missed some points in the conversation | 17:32 |
| jackib | well…I agree but I think doing some testing will prove that…and then give us a reason to change that design | 17:33 |
| lblanchard | oh sorry we are already on open discussion :) Some chair I am! | 17:33 |
| jackib | rather than starting over | 17:33 |
| david-lyle | jackib: I don't have a grand idea for it, so I'm in favor of incremental improvement, but I don't know that it will get us all the way there | 17:34 |
| david-lyle | but can improve the experience in the interim | 17:35 |
| lblanchard | jackib, david-lyle: yeah, I agree…since there has been work done to improve it already by some folks maybe we can do the testing and drive even more changes based on testing feedback | 17:35 |
| lblanchard | ones that feel less like bandaids? | 17:35 |
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| jackib | that's kinda what I was thinking | 17:35 |
| jackib | I think we revisit after the testing - put the results out there and get feedback on proposed solutions | 17:36 |
| jackib | I'd like the testing to happen sooner, but I'm not doing the planning :) | 17:36 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to play with a more visual workflow, if I can ever find the time | 17:37 |
| * david-lyle won't ever find the time :( | 17:38 | |
| jackib | hmmmm….if you elaborate on what you mean I could give you a hand | 17:38 |
| Toshi | I feel like from implementation point of view, if it is provided more like general UI component, that'd be great. | 17:38 |
| david-lyle | just thinking about building the instance out of the elements almost topographically | 17:39 |
| Toshi | Is it only for instance view? | 17:39 |
| Toshi | I mean is it re-useable for other UI? | 17:40 |
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| david-lyle | Toshi: nowhere near that far yet, maybe the framework | 17:41 |
| david-lyle | I may be off in left field, let me try to work through it a bit more | 17:41 |
| david-lyle | at least wireframe it | 17:42 |
| Toshi | david-lyle: got it | 17:44 |
| david-lyle | Like a lot of things in Horizon, I just feel like we can paint a better picture than we are now to help the user understand the relationship amongst the components | 17:44 |
| david-lyle | Toshi: I think the network topology is a great example | 17:44 |
| david-lyle | thanks for that :) | 17:44 |
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| Toshi | david--lyle:Thanks, grad to hear that :) | 17:45 |
| lblanchard | any other topics? | 17:46 |
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| lblanchard | sounds like that's all I guess... | 17:48 |
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| lblanchard | thanks everyone…I believe our next meeting will be in two weeks on Monday the 21st | 17:49 |
| jackib | bye! ;) | 17:49 |
| Toshi | Thanks! | 17:49 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: #endmeeting | 17:50 |
| lblanchard | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 17:50:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-07-07-17.02.html | 17:50 |
| lblanchard | thanks all!! | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-07-07-17.02.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-07-07-17.02.log.html | 17:50 |
| david-lyle | :) | 17:50 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: :) | 17:50 |
| david-lyle | thanks lblanchard | 17:50 |
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