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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: armax: safchain roaet seizadi jvoss pcm nextone92 devvesa ping | 15:00 |
| armax | yello | 15:00 |
| pcm_ | hi | 15:00 |
| mrsmith | hey carl | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: blue | 15:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 15:01 |
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| chuckC | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata__: chuckC: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 15:01:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: come on don’t be :) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | Mid-cycle sprint is coming up in almost two weeks. | 15:02 |
| tmorin | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 15:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Juno-2 is well underway. I think it is July 24th. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | tmorin: salv-orlando: hi | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Our big priority is to get DVR code merged by then. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | Do we expect Swami today? | 15:04 |
| mrsmith | doubtful - he is OOO | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah, just hoping. :) | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | +1 | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Many of the patches have seen a lot of improvement in the last week. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | All but one were passing Jenkins yesterday. That is a big improvement over just one week ago. | 15:06 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I expect to make further progress by the end of the week | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’m mostly happy with https://review.openstack.org/84223 now. That is the first one that needs to merge. | 15:07 |
| mrsmith | carl - one note on that patch | 15:08 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: there are still a few weaknesses that I think we can address, but all in all I am pleased to see the amount of work that went in to give the patches a better structure | 15:08 |
| mrsmith | one of the reviewers on the l3-agent patch | 15:08 |
| mrsmith | noticed some snat functionality is missing from the l3-extension patch | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: ++ | 15:08 |
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| mrsmith | I'll add a comment to the same on the l3-ext patch | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Thanks for pointing that out. I agree that there are some weaknesses but I feel like the patch is ready for broader reviewing. | 15:10 |
| armax | mrsmith: is it a result of a bad merge or revision gone sour, or is it something that was never there in the first place? | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Is this something you know how to address? | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | yes - we changed the snat port communication late in the game | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | we just need to update the patch with what we have locally | 15:10 |
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| mrsmith | not a big deal | 15:10 |
| armax | mrsmith: cool | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Thanks. | 15:11 |
| mrsmith | np | 15:11 |
| mrsmith | and it only effects DVR snat | 15:11 |
| mrsmith | not legacy/regression | 15:11 |
| armax | mrsmith: are you going to push a new revision to swami’s patch or shall we coordinate amongst the larger group? | 15:11 |
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| mrsmith | no sure - I haven't been tracing the progress of that patch as much as others | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | we can chat offline | 15:12 |
| armax | ok | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | *not sure | 15:12 |
| armax | let’s take this offline than | 15:12 |
| armax | you know how to find me or carl_baldwin | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | yup :) | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Once we get that part in shape then I’d like to ping one more core to review the patch for another perspective. | 15:13 |
| mrsmith | yes - even now... I think the core stuff is there | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Great. | 15:14 |
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| armax | mrsmith: so we might want to consider to have the addition closer to a downstream patch | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | possibly... | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: ? | 15:14 |
| armax | mrsmith: I mean where it’s used, but then again, let’s talk later | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | it comes back to carl (and other's) wish to pull the patches together as-is and have DVR work | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | legacy may work - but DVR will not | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. Let’s move on. | 15:15 |
| armax | mrsmith: right, but legacy is the deafult code path being tested | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | agreed | 15:16 |
| armax | yup, let’s move on | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Nice work splitting up 87730 in to multiple patches. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | What is the status of those patches? I’ve been through a couple of review cycles but I lost track of it yesterday. | 15:16 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I need to push one more revision to update the one on the models | 15:17 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: but it won’t take me long | 15:17 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I just need to find the time ;) | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Understood. I’ll watch for the updates and try to get my feedback up promptly. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Other reviewers are welcome too. Please try to do comprehensive reviews. | 15:18 |
| armax | ++ | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: How is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89413/ ? | 15:19 |
| armax | yes, the fewer revisions we can do the better | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | going well | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | I plan to create a new dvr_util.py file | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | to hold some of the pure dvr methods | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Great work on the tests. Jenkins has been passing which relieves some concern. | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | as suggested by armax | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | a few other cleanups to do | 15:20 |
| armax | mrsmith: yes, let’s see how it looks | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | otherwise pretty stable | 15:20 |
| armax | yesterday I was speaking with Murali and I have some doubts | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | I hope to update again soon | 15:21 |
| armax | on some of the config options made available there | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Will you have time to do another turn-around on it? | 15:21 |
| armax | I wonder whether we can consolidate some of them | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | I hop so | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: made where? In Murali’s patch? | 15:21 |
| armax | no mrsmith | 15:21 |
| armax | 's | 15:21 |
| armax | three bool options have been defined | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Please reach out if you think I can help. I’ll make time for whatever I can do. | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | thanks | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | armax - doubts on the config? | 15:22 |
| armax | however of the 8 combinations available only a handful would make sense | 15:22 |
| armax | so I wonder if we can abstract soem of them, instead of talking binary we can talk English | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: +1 I’ve wondered about that. | 15:22 |
| armax | mrsmith: I’ll take that on the review, it’s the best place to discuss this | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | I'm open to suggestions | 15:22 |
| armax | mrsmith: sure | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | we tried to keep things simple and yet support many setups | 15:23 |
| armax | I am open to giving them :) | 15:23 |
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| mrsmith | for example - single node setup may not make sense | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ll look for that discussion on the review. | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | but we may need to support it for tests | 15:23 |
| armax | agreed, but I had a hard time wrapping my head around them, I wonder what an operator would do if he does not want to dive in the code | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | sure | 15:24 |
| armax | mrsmith: I think my concern is more an usability issue rather than correctness of the solution proposed | 15:24 |
| armax | s/an/a | 15:24 |
| armax | anyhoo let’s move past thsi | 15:24 |
| mrsmith | armax: ok - we want usability (aka ease of use) | 15:24 |
| armax | *this | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Is Murali on IRC? I don’t know his nick. | 15:25 |
| mrsmith | don't think so.. | 15:25 |
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| mrsmith | probably woulda chimed in by now | 15:25 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: maybe I can help | 15:26 |
| armax | I spoke with him last nite | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m most concerned about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89694/. | 15:26 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: what do you wanna know? | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | The Jenkins failures mostly. I fear that reviewers are not giving it any attention because of the failiures. | 15:26 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: correct | 15:27 |
| armax | this is the only patch that has never passed tests so far | 15:27 |
| armax | I have a pretty good understanding why Tempest tests are failing | 15:27 |
| armax | I can look at the UT too | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Right. From one perspective, that is great progress. | 15:28 |
| armax | so if Murali doesn’t beat me to it I’ll bash the patch into shape later today | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Would you like some help with the UTs? | 15:28 |
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| armax | yesterday we had a different failure mode as of today | 15:28 |
| armax | so I need to look at it again | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: What is up with the Tempest tests? | 15:28 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: if you can spare a few minutes that’d be great | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, I can make time for it. | 15:29 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: fundamentally Murali’s patch depends on mrsmith’s | 15:29 |
| armax | that said… | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I did follow your rebase. Good move. | 15:29 |
| armax | that is only true for the ‘distributed’ code path | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | armax: right | 15:29 |
| armax | the centralized code path shouldn’t be affected | 15:30 |
| mrsmith | legacy shouldn't be affected | 15:30 |
| armax | but it looks like the scheduler code being proposed alters that | 15:30 |
| armax | and when a tempest test tries to add a rotuer to an agent | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: alters it how? | 15:30 |
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| armax | neutron is not able to find an eligible agent | 15:30 |
| armax | it alters the election logic to find a suitable agent to move the router on | 15:31 |
| armax | I pinpointed the problem in the code when speaking with Murali | 15:31 |
| armax | then he pushed another patch but it doesn’t seem it did any effect so I need to see at the diff he pushed | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: Since you have a handle on that. I’ll leave you to it but I will plan to get to the UTs later today. | 15:32 |
| armax | greate | 15:32 |
| armax | great | 15:32 |
| armax | thanks | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry to take the whole meeting for DVR but I have one more thing. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | We have 7 interdependent patches in flight. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | I prefer this over the larger patches but it does present problems of its own. | 15:34 |
| armax | if there’s nothing else, maybe we can move on | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | With different authors on different patches it is easy to clobber things. | 15:35 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: true, but that’s the nature of collaborative open source business :) | 15:36 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: can’t argue with the fact that things could’ve been simpler | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I think uploading patches with —no-rebase is a good idea. The problem this avoids is that otherwise, uploading a patch rebases the dependent patches which another author may be working on. | 15:36 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: but there’s always a lesson to be learned | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | But, this means that we’ll need to think about rebasing consciously because we can’t get behind by more than a day or two. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Thoughts? | 15:38 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: it’s difficult because it depends on the punctual state the patches are in | 15:38 |
| armax | and how trunk moves forward | 15:38 |
| armax | in theory we can have people do git-review with --no-rebase | 15:39 |
| armax | and have a person that does a single sweep twice a week for instances | 15:39 |
| armax | but then what happens if the root patch goes sour and merge conflicts arise? | 15:39 |
| armax | so maybe we can use —no-rebase as the committer’s default action | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d prefer that. I am willing to watch the patches and ping authors when they need to rebase. | 15:40 |
| armax | and if a merge conflict arises we you or I can do a global sweep | 15:40 |
| armax | you as in carl_baldwin | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Merge conflicts are inevitable. They will happen either way. I’d just prefer they happen when the author is ready. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, I am willing to handle it because I think it will be better for authors to not have their patches moved out from under them. | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll watch daily for any patch that is two days out of date from its upstream. | 15:42 |
| armax | cool | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. Anything else on DVR? | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-svcs-vendor-* | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | pcm_: hi | 15:44 |
| pcm_ | Hi | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Any update here? | 15:44 |
| pcm_ | Have reference implementation out for review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102351/4 | 15:44 |
| pcm_ | Having a Jenkins failure, 'process-returncode'. Not sure where the error is on that. Could use some ides. | 15:45 |
| pcm_ | ideas. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | process-returncode is not interesting by itself. Are there other failures? | 15:45 |
| pcm_ | Have a Cisco patch ready for review, but waiting, until I can get the ref one clean. | 15:45 |
| yamamoto | isn't the real failure is another one? | 15:45 |
| yamamoto | ie. test_reference_driver_used | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, the other failure is the interesting one. | 15:46 |
| pcm_ | It shows two failures in the summary, but only FAIL line I see is for process-returncode | 15:46 |
| pcm_ | odd | 15:46 |
| pcm_ | #link http://logs.openstack.org/51/102351/4/check/gate-neutron-python27/a757b36/console.html | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah, there isn’t much in the report at all. | 15:46 |
| yamamoto | look at testr_results | 15:46 |
| pcm_ | yamamoto: OK will do. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | I looked and it doesn’t have much. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: Does that test pass locally for you? | 15:47 |
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| pcm_ | On the last run (in a VM) I get the same result, though I occasionally get unrelated errors on runs. | 15:48 |
| pcm_ | Rerunning again to see. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | We should probably take this out of the meeting. Ping me later today on it. | 15:49 |
| pcm_ | will do | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | You’ll want to have Jenkins passing fully to get on reviewers radar. Anything else? | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:49 |
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| pcm_ | Nope. I had it working in V2, but made a change and it failed. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Are you around? | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | nextone92: devvesa: hi | 15:51 |
| devvesa | o/ | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I didn’t quite finish my review of your bp. I need to finish that today. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I wanted another look at the diagrams. | 15:52 |
| devvesa | ok, great | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Did you see my comments? | 15:52 |
| devvesa | yes | 15:52 |
| devvesa | thanks for respond the questions | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Could those points be worked in to the bp to make things a little clearer? | 15:53 |
| devvesa | yes, sure | 15:53 |
| devvesa | I'll wait your today's review and I'll prepare another patch | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. I don’t promise I’ll get to it early. | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, I will get to it. | 15:54 |
| devvesa | 6pm here. today's review will be tomorrow for me :) | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:54 |
| tmorin | last week, yamamoto was wanting an intro on bagpipe | 15:54 |
| tmorin | I'm avail if people have questions | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | tmorin: Thanks. I’m sorry I haven’t given that thread any attention yet. It is still in my queue. | 15:55 |
| tmorin | well, I guess the question is the choice of BGP speaker for bgp dynamic routing | 15:56 |
| tmorin | we are working to implement the bgp vpn connectivity blueprint with bagpipe | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Only for the reference implementation. I think there will be multiple implementations given the interest that I’ve seen. | 15:56 |
| tmorin | yes, possibly so | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | tmorin: Are you working with Nachi on that? | 15:57 |
| tmorin | on the bgp vpn connection bp ? yes | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | Great. | 15:58 |
| devvesa | keshava also seemed to be interested in bgp-vpn | 15:58 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:58 |
| tmorin | we had a discuss on the list | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes. There is plenty of interest. | 15:58 |
| tmorin | anyways, if people want to investigate bagpipe for the dynamic (non-VPN) routing bp, feel free to ping me | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re almost out of time. Let’s keep the ML threads going. I will add my thoughts soon. | 15:59 |
| tmorin | the non-VPN case should be easy to add to bagpipe | 15:59 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:59 |
| tmorin | thanks | 15:59 |
| devvesa | tmorin: I'll take into account for sure | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | great, we're open | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | We have 10 seconds. :) | 15:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | I just wanted to say I haven’t forgotten about this topic. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | I am part way through a review of the bp but other priorities have starved it. | 16:00 |
| seizadi | Hi - I'll be short I have all changes in bp and we are still on track for juno-2 | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | I encourage reviewers with interest to go add their comments and keep it going. | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | seizadi: Thanks for keeping the momentum going. | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | That is all we have time for. | 16:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 16:01:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-06-26-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-06-26-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-06-26-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, all! Great work! | 16:01 |
| pcm_ | bye | 16:01 |
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| yamamoto | bye | 16:01 |
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| praveen_dell | is the meeting going on today? | 17:06 |
| sarob | No david? | 17:07 |
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| sarob | Davidlenwell? | 17:08 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 17:09 |
| davidlenwell | meetings have changed to mondays at 3pm | 17:10 |
| sarob | Ah, irc ical hasn't updated yet | 17:10 |
| sarob | Thx | 17:10 |
| davidlenwell | see ya monday | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Roger | 17:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi Neutron Group Policy folks! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah nice to see you online | 18:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| banix | hi | 18:01 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: back home for today, traveling again tomorrow | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess people are still recovering from the dying minutes of the game! | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok good, twins have been dispatced? ;-) | 18:01 |
| rkukura | almost tied it up | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *dispatched | 18:01 |
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| rkukura | twins are in Israel | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 18:02:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic API/Resource Model patches | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so as in the past week, there was decent amount of review acitvity on these patches | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, for the links to all the patches see: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#June_26.2C_19.2C_12.2C_2014 | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | had been planning to put the above in a wiki page | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i still need to respond to HenryG and enikanorov’s comments on the DB patch, but nothing major there | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that, the API patch for the classifier, actions and rules was also posted: | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101816 | 18:05 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Should I wait for you to update the gp-*-1 patches before rebasing mine? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if you can that will be good, i will try to do it asap after the meeting (my plan was to have done that yesterday itself) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i will drop you a note as soon as i am done | 18:06 |
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| rkukura | OK, want to minimize churn, so I’ll wait | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok cool | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats pretty much my update, open to questions/comments | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if no questions then we can move to the mapping update | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Mapping api/driver/data path patches | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:08 |
| rkukura | I’m on PTO yesterday through next Wednesday (7/2), but am trying to finish up the two driver patches | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i updated the agenda with the links to the patches | 18:08 |
| rkukura | I’ll rebase the exisitng patches on SumitNaiksatam’s upcoming update, and post those today | 18:08 |
| LouisF | rkukura: when an EPG is created, does a network and subnet also get created? | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I hope to have the implicit policy driver patch posted today | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice! | 18:09 |
| rkukura | LouisF: The resource mapping driver will take care of creating the subnet for the EPG | 18:09 |
| rkukura | The implicit policy driver will create the L2P for the EPG if one isn’t passed in explciitly | 18:10 |
| s3wong | rkukura: these patches will be using the python-clients? | 18:10 |
| LouisF | rkukura: and network also? | 18:10 |
| rkukura | and the resource mapping driver will create the network for the L2P | 18:10 |
| rkukura | The plan is for the resource mapping driver to use the python client for non-GP APIs | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: L2P maps to the network | 18:10 |
| rkukura | The implicit policy driver is currently calling the plugin directly | 18:11 |
| LouisF | rkukura: when will use of python client be added? | 18:12 |
| rkukura | It turns out the PoC code in these drivers needs significant work to be ready to review and merge, like deletion of resources, unit tests, etc. | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i believe you will need to use the python client for the security group mapping | 18:12 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes - hence the question to rkukura :-) | 18:12 |
| rkukura | LouisF: That will be added to the resource mapping driver before its posted for review, hopefully in the next couple days | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i realized that, hence reiterating :-) | 18:12 |
| LouisF | rkukura: will look out for it | 18:12 |
| rkukura | OK | 18:13 |
| rkukura | LouisF: Do you see any problem with calling the GP plugin directly in the implicit policy driver? | 18:13 |
| LouisF | rkukura: no | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps having a very high level block diagram with the different pieces (implicit driver, mapping driver, etc) might help in review | 18:14 |
| LouisF | +1 | 18:14 |
| rkukura | OK, great | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and posting on our GP wiki | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: will you have time at all for this, or we can see if someone else can put it there | 18:14 |
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| rkukura | I’ll see if I can come up with something, but I’m on PTO, so I can’t get away with too much time on work | 18:14 |
| s3wong | rkukura: why not :-) ? | 18:15 |
| rkukura | Someone else doing the diagram would be great | 18:15 |
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| rkukura | working while snorkeling or ziplining would not go well | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to put block diagram for mapping driver (or delegate to someone else :-P) | 18:15 |
| rkukura | while flying is fine | 18:16 |
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| * SumitNaiksatam rkukura has planned an adventorous vacation! :-) | 18:16 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any other questions for rkukura? | 18:17 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: this is what we’ve been waiting for since the twins were born 16 years ago | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you absolutely deserve it! | 18:17 |
| LouisF | enjoy | 18:17 |
| rkukura | thanks | 18:17 |
| rkukura | any other mapping questions | 18:17 |
| rkukura | ? | 18:17 |
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| LouisF | mapping of policy rules to security groups? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: perhaps you want to give a quick update on the security groups mapping (to the extent that you have thought about it)? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: ah LouisF right on cue :-) | 18:18 |
| LouisF | working on my timing... | 18:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: still reading rkukura 's code to understand the structure of the current mapping driver | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sure | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: whats the high level plan? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: for the benefit of everyone here | 18:20 |
| rkukura | s3wong: I’ll probably be adding some tables in the driver, and maybe we could store the SG_id there | 18:20 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Assuming we don’t want to expose the SG in the API like we do for the port, network, subnet, and router | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: probably not | 18:21 |
| s3wong | rkukura: yes, we certainly don't want to make SG visible in the API | 18:21 |
| rkukura | s3wong, SumitNaiksatam: Is the rationale that we need complete control of the SG, and can’t let users muck with it? | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that has been the thinking until this point | 18:22 |
| s3wong | rkukura: we should, right? | 18:22 |
| rkukura | I agree we need complete control, since SG rule ordering is important, so we should not expose it in the API | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think differnt backends can enforce the contract rules in different ways, so in that sense SG mapping is an implementation detail here | 18:23 |
| rkukura | right, even if a backend exposes networks, subnets, and ports, it may not be using SGs for policy rendering | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:23 |
| rkukura | seems we all agree to keep the SGs internal to the mapping driver, right? | 18:24 |
| s3wong | rkukura: yes | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that said, to your point, i believe if the user really wants to muck around with the mapped SGs he would still be able to do it, right? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i mean the mapped SGs would be visible to him | 18:24 |
| rkukura | Unless we create them with a different tenant, the user can discover and update/delete them | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok, so s3wong something to think about | 18:25 |
| LouisF | will this SG that is "owned" by GBP appear in the SG list? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: we hadnt planned a separate “GBP” tenant until this point | 18:25 |
| s3wong | rkukura: can a SG created by a different tenant be apply to traffic in the other tenant? | 18:26 |
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| rkukura | I think we should stick with using the client’s tenant for now, but keep the option open to change that later. But SGs may need to be the same tenant as the port - not sure | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: +1 | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we can perhaps evolve with a new role, like what is being propose with the “adv services” role | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/101281 | 18:27 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: the "adv services" role gets admin previleges, right? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above was FYI for the advsvs role | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on a slightly different note | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding the stacking of patches | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | may be i will change the topic | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | before that any other questions for s3wong on SG mapping (he just started looking at this, so be kind to him) | 18:28 |
| s3wong | so kind :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: is there anything more that you need to sort out? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:30 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: just generally understand what there currently, and how/when to invoke python-clients | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok | 18:30 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so need more investigation before I can ask proper questions :-) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Stacking of patches | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so initially we had the plan to make progress in “bread” and “depth” fashion wih regards to stacking the patches | 18:31 |
| s3wong | breath? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | where depth goes from API to the driver/data path level | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and breadth traverses the resources in the GP model | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ^^^ | 18:31 |
| s3wong | :-) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to that end we have the depth series with EP, EPG, L2/3P | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i started the breadth series with the classifier, action, rules | 18:32 |
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| * SumitNaiksatam thinks needs rkukura’s help for 3 lettter acronymys for classifier, actions, rules | 18:33 | |
| rkukura | CARs | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the classifier, … API patch is currently based of the GP-plugin-1 patch | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but when you pull that GP-API-2 patch, you dont get any of the mapping stuff | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or the anticipated driver stuff | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the SG mapping would need that | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the question is, should we have one linear series of patches? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess its unavoidable, but it will be one long series! | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I think we’ll eventually need to make it linear, but short term can have forks | 18:35 |
| rkukura | hopefully we can get the gp-*-1 series merged before too long | 18:36 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: a side question on this. Is there any sync-up on the classifier between GBP and Traffic Steering when they are both used for support of service chaining? | 18:36 |
| rkukura | for now, both gpm-*-1 and gp*-2 are based off gp-api-1, right | 18:37 |
| rkukura | ? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that was the hope that we would get it merged sooner | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, GP-API-2 is based off GP-Plugin-1 | 18:37 |
| rkukura | that’s what I meant | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: thanks for bringing that up | 18:38 |
| rkukura | so we could rebase gp-*-2 off of gpm-plugin-1 at any point | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, actuall i would think GPM-Driver-*? | 18:38 |
| rkukura | then later rebase them off gpm-rmd-1 | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: RMD? | 18:39 |
| rkukura | gp-api-1, gp-db-1, gp-plugin-1, gpm-api-1, gpm-db-1, gpm-plugin-1, gpm-ipd-1, gpm-rmd-1, gp-api-2, …? | 18:40 |
| rkukura | resource mapping driver | 18:40 |
| rkukura | gpm-ipd-1 is implicit policy driver | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, got that! :-) | 18:40 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure. If you need any help on the part related to service chaining, please let me know. | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: acronym czar! :-) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: thats the next topic | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Services’ integration | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was hoping mandeep would be around to discuss the service chaining | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is cgoncalves around? | 18:42 |
| Cathy_ | I hope so | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see mandeep in this channel though | 18:42 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: too late at night for folks in Europe | 18:42 |
| s3wong | (not mandeep) | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, so both cgoncalves and mandeep are not around | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: the way i understand it, the service chaining bp was written to be independent of the implementation menchanism | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: which means that the TS is not strictly required for implementing the service chaining | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: also the intial focus of the service chaining bp is on the services which are exposed in neutron | 18:45 |
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| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I understand, but when it is used for service chaining, the API should not cause any conflict between the API in GBP or the other way around | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: in the GP reference implementation, we will point to a service or a service chain UUID in the redirect action | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: that is a good point | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: the port-chaining API in the TS bp is useful for chaining services which are realized in VMs and which Neutron is not aware of | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i hope we still have everyone here after the split | 18:47 |
| LouisF | here | 18:47 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: could you clarify what is meant by point to a "service" in the redirect? | 18:47 |
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| s3wong_ | I was kicked out | 18:48 |
| banix | y | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I’m here | 18:48 |
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| s3wong_ | topic still intact, or maybe that's just my client | 18:48 |
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| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: does that mean user can specify a sequence of service instance IDs after the "redirect"? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: is you question whethe we will allow the port-chain to be used in the redirect action? | 18:49 |
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| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: not really | 18:49 |
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| s3wong_ | Cathy_: we don't. Just ONE UUID for now | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *whether | 18:50 |
| Cathy_ | s3wong_: thanks. How about in the future? since SumitNaiksatam mentions "service" for redirect too? | 18:50 |
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| s3wong_ | Cathy_: for now we are thinking that if you want a chain, the chain would be created by service chaining APIs | 18:51 |
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| s3wong_ | since it is highly unlikely that the user of GBP APIs (app-owners) would want to chain his own service chains | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix Cathy_ LouisF: still there? | 18:52 |
| Cathy_ | I think it is not chain his own service chain. It is redirect a flow to a service chain which consists of a sequence of service function instances, right? | 18:52 |
| s3wong_ | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:52 |
| LouisF | yes | 18:52 |
| banix | yes | 18:52 |
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| s3wong_ | Cathy_: in that case, can the service functions be chained by the service chaining APIs? | 18:53 |
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| Cathy_ | s3wong_: not sure what you meant by that? | 18:53 |
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| Cathy_ | s3wong_: are you taking about the service chaining API in advanced service BP? | 18:53 |
| s3wong_ | Cathy_: yes | 18:54 |
| Cathy_ | here is my thought | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | are we all back? | 18:54 |
| Cathy_ | The service chaining API can specify the sequence of service function instances which is identified by a unique chain-ID and this chain-ID can be used in GBP for the "redirect" | 18:55 |
| LouisF | Cathy_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 18:55 |
| s3wong_ | Cathy_: yes | 18:55 |
| Cathy_ | good, so now the issues is | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix rkukura songole Cathy_ LouisF: there? | 18:55 |
| Cathy_ | we only need one place to specify the classifier | 18:56 |
| s3wong_ | SumitNaiksatam: hello? | 18:56 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes I am here. | 18:56 |
| rkukura | yes | 18:56 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: been here all along :) | 18:56 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: here | 18:56 |
| s3wong_ | my nic has changed though, from s3wong -> s3wong_ | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh i think i was on the other side of the split | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i did not see any of the conversation until now | 18:57 |
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| s3wong | yes, back to s3wong instead s3wong_ :-) | 18:57 |
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| Cathy_ | s3wong_: but based on existing traffic steeing API and the GBP API, they are two places to specify the classiffier which can cause inconsistency. | 18:57 |
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| s3wong | Cathy_: so the classifier in GBP is used to apply policy | 18:57 |
| Cathy_ | s3wong: yes, but the policy consists of the redirect and chain-ID | 18:58 |
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| Cathy_ | and classifier | 18:58 |
| s3wong | Cathy_: the classifier in policy-rule does NOT need to be the same as TS' | 18:58 |
| Cathy_ | and the chain-ID also carries over the classifier designed in the TS | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: lets not confuse the classifier in the TS with GBP | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: right now the thinking is very simple, the GBP has a redirect action | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: that redirect action has a value field | 18:59 |
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| s3wong | Cathy_: in fact, the TS' classifier is way more specific | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: that value field takes a UUID | 18:59 |
| s3wong | Cathy_: it has a src-ip and dst-ip fields to them | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: that UUID can either be a Neutron service (FWaaS, LBaaS, or VPNaaS) | 19:00 |
| LouisF | Cathy_: the chaining BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 does not have as classifier | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: or it can be a Service Chain UUID | 19:00 |
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| Cathy_ | s3wong: if the classifiers are not the same which one identifies the flow that will go through the service chain and what is the other classifier used for? Maybe I miss something here. | 19:00 |
| s3wong | Cathy_: so what I can see possible, in the future - is that the mapping driver for 'redirect' COULD potentially use the TS python-clients to steer traffic to a service | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: where service chain UUID is as per the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 19:00 |
| banix | Cathy_: even if a GBP implementation uses TS then it will set the classifier appropriately | 19:00 |
| Cathy_ | LouisF: we are talking about TS API, not service chaining API | 19:01 |
| s3wong | Cathy_: in the case of GBP mapping driver using TS, the TS parameters will be set up by GBP mapping driver to redirect traffic to a service (as specified by the UUID) | 19:01 |
| banix | have to run unfortunately… see you all later | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks for the reminder | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are 2 mins over | 19:02 |
| s3wong | Cathy_: IF the UUID specified happens to be a service chain - which also happens to use TS APIs (chains can use TS APIs too), then the chain's usage of the TS classifier is indpendent of how even the mapping driver is using the classifier | 19:02 |
| s3wong | banix: have fun! | 19:03 |
| Cathy_ | s3wong: I will talk with you off line. thanks | 19:03 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for discussing this. | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: just pinged you on IM as well | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: we can discuss this further offline | 19:04 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 19:04 |
| Cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: how to reach you? | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: check your IRC chat :-) | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Cathy_: i just pinged you | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is songole still here? | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic CLI and client | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | wanted to get a quick update from songole since hemanthravi is away | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | talked to songole and he will be updating the CLI/Client patch at the earliest | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to sync with GP-API-1 | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anytning else? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure who else is still in the meeting | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets wrap it up | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 19:08:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-06-26-18.02.html | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-06-26-18.02.txt | 19:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-06-26-18.02.log.html | 19:08 |
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