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| openstackgerrit | Prashanth Raghu proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implements Queue and Message Controllers for Redis https://review.openstack.org/97178 | 09:54 |
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| alcabrera | good morning! | 13:06 |
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| vkmc | alcabrera, good morning! o/ | 13:13 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: hey! how are you? :) | 13:13 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, fine, thx, and you? | 13:14 |
| alcabrera | a little hungry, but happy otherwise. I've yet to make breakfast. | 13:14 |
| sriram | good morning alcabrera,vkmc :) | 13:15 |
| alcabrera | sriram: hey! | 13:15 |
| sriram | how are you doing! :D | 13:16 |
| alcabrera | hungry, happy, still waking up, sriram. You? :) | 13:17 |
| sriram | heh, I'm doing good. A weekend filled with lots of sleep has energized me :) | 13:17 |
| alcabrera | yay! | 13:17 |
| vkmc | sriram, good morning! :) | 13:18 |
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| vkmc | sriram, yay to sleep! | 13:18 |
| sriram | alcabrera: btw, I uninstalled the sleep monitoring app >.> I didn't want to be reminded I hadn't slept well :P | 13:19 |
| sriram | vkmc: sleep is the elixir. | 13:19 |
| alcabrera | hehe. :P | 13:19 |
| alcabrera | Have some haskell, y'all: https://twitter.com/dibblego/status/465310381158576128 (Tony Morris. Parametricity: Types are Documentation") | 13:20 |
| vkmc | sriram, you were using Sleepbot? | 13:20 |
| vkmc | s/you were/were you | 13:21 |
| sriram | No, its called sleep cycle. | 13:21 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, nothing like a good cup of Haskell for breakfast haha | 13:21 |
| sriram | It outputs really nice graphs :P | 13:21 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: haha, oh yeah. It's just the right Type of breakfast! ;) | 13:22 |
| vkmc | sriram, nice! I see it's for iOS... well, Sleepbot is the Android counterpart :) | 13:22 |
| sriram | oic | 13:22 |
| vkmc | it turned into another responsibility for me... so I ended uninstalling it :o | 13:23 |
| sriram | vkmc: haha! :P similar here. | 13:24 |
| sriram | I tried really hard to increase my sleep quality percentage :P that ended up being more stressful, than just enjoying sleep :P | 13:24 |
| sriram | alcabrera: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-marconiclient/+bug/1325032 | 13:29 |
| sriram | this was the bug I was talking about earlier wrt claims in the client. | 13:29 |
| * alcabrera clicks | 13:29 | |
| alcabrera | ah, that's troublesome | 13:30 |
| alcabrera | it looks like a fix shouldn't be too bad | 13:30 |
| sriram | yeah, I've fixed it. | 13:30 |
| sriram | The only thing, I'm a bit confused by, is where should the unit test go. | 13:31 |
| alcabrera | ah | 13:31 |
| alcabrera | hmm | 13:31 |
| sriram | under tests/claims or tests/messages | 13:31 |
| sriram | we are deleting a message here, so i'm inclined towards messages. | 13:31 |
| alcabrera | I feel that's correct | 13:32 |
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| sriram | alcabrera: The other thing is that we have two tests directories. | 13:33 |
| sriram | one outside the package, and the other inside. | 13:33 |
| alcabrera | I'm not sure what's being kept in each | 13:34 |
| alcabrera | it's strange | 13:35 |
| alcabrera | taking a quick look | 13:35 |
| sriram | both of them seem to have unit tests, why do we have two of them? | 13:35 |
| alcabrera | I couldn't tell you why some tests live in there and some live elsewhere | 13:35 |
| alcabrera | flaper87|afk: would know best on this one. | 13:35 |
| sriram | alcabrera: alright, thanks! | 13:35 |
| alcabrera | np. :) | 13:36 |
| sriram | flaper87|afk: ping | 13:36 |
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| prashanthr_ | hi alcabrera , malini, vkmc , AAzza ! Good morning :) | 14:05 |
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| alcabrera | prashanthr_: hello! :) | 14:06 |
| mpanetta | morning prashanthr_ | 14:07 |
| prashanthr_ | mpanetta : Good morning to you as well :) Start of a new week ! :) | 14:07 |
| mpanetta | Thank goodness :) | 14:07 |
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| alcabrera | mpanetta: heya. :) | 14:08 |
| mpanetta | Hi alcabrera :) | 14:08 |
| malini | hello all!! | 14:08 |
| mpanetta | mornin malini | 14:08 |
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| vkmc | prashanthr_, malini, mpanetta hi! :) | 14:10 |
| mpanetta | Hiya vkmc | 14:10 |
| AAzza | Good day, all) | 14:11 |
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| alcabrera | so lively - everyone must be well-rested after the weekend! | 14:13 |
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| prashanthr_ | alcabrera : Haha yeah :) I had a small doubt. Can I ask u now ? | 14:15 |
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| alcabrera | prashanthr_: sure thing | 14:17 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: I submitted a patch for Queue and Message controllers for Redis today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97178/ . | 14:17 |
| prashanthr_ | I am able to pass the tests | 14:18 |
| prashanthr_ | locally but it fails on Jenkins | 14:18 |
| prashanthr_ | I explored the log files | 14:18 |
| prashanthr_ | but unable to spot the errors | 14:18 |
| AAzza | prashanthr_: oh it was problem with all tests for all patches | 14:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Sriram Madapusi Vasudevan proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Enable deleting of message with claim id https://review.openstack.org/97246 | 14:19 |
| prashanthr_ | AAzza: Ohh okay ! | 14:19 |
| alcabrera | yeah, that looks like one of those occasional infra bugs that affects all of OS | 14:19 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Ohh okay. Will re-submit the patch again later. | 14:21 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: no need | 14:21 |
| sriram | alcabrera,malini,flaper87|afk,kgriffs|afk: https://review.openstack.org/97246 | 14:21 |
| sriram | whenever you have the time. :) | 14:22 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: when the bug is resolved, we can just do 'recheck no bug' as a comment and jenkins will check it again | 14:22 |
| alcabrera | I'll review the patch later today, probably in about six hours. :) | 14:22 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: that is nice. Did not know that. Thank you :) | 14:23 |
| AAzza | alcabrera: i suppose it is fixed now, you see that notice from openstackstatus :) prashanthr_: i think you can try to recheck | 14:24 |
| alcabrera | ah, I tuned out the red text, AAzza, hahaha | 14:24 |
| alcabrera | nice catch! | 14:24 |
| prashanthr_ | AAzza: Will do that :) thanks ! | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: I just asked jenkins to run another build. we'll see soon. ;) | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | *:) | 14:25 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: thanks :) | 14:26 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: I had a small idea. Would it be nice if marconi could support redis as a cache as well ? | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: that'd be lovely. it's been talked about, along the lines of adding redis support to oslo.cache | 14:33 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Actually I am kind of done with Redis for sharding , catalogue and claims controllers as well in the private branch | 14:34 |
| prashanthr_ | So was thinking if I can add redis as a cache :) | 14:35 |
| alcabrera | let's bring it up in tomorrow's meeting, prashanthr_ | 14:35 |
| alcabrera | i'm sure malini, flaper87|afk, and kgriffs|afk will have thoughts to share there | 14:36 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Sure. | 14:36 |
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| alcabrera | prashanthr_: if there's ever anything you'd like brought up during the openstack marconi meeting, the place to add the item is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda /cc vkmc, AAzza | 14:36 |
| alcabrera | it's *the* place for proposing new ideas | 14:37 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Got it :) | 14:37 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Also observed that deleting a non existant queue returns 503 when the storage layer returns a QueueDoesNotExist error. | 14:39 |
| prashanthr_ | is this expected behaviour ? | 14:40 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, thanks | 14:43 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: 500-level errors are never expected behavior, to be sure. Something sounds wonky in there. :/ | 14:44 |
| prashanthr_ | alcabrera: Hmm. yeah same opinion here as well. just came across it accidentally today. | 14:50 |
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| flaper87|phone | Hellloooooooo | 15:58 |
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| sriram | woo, hello there flaper87|phone :) | 15:59 |
| flaper87|phone | How are you doing? | 16:00 |
| flaper87|phone | How's life in this channel? | 16:00 |
| mpanetta | Feeling kind of phoney right now :P | 16:00 |
| sriram | life is humming along :) | 16:00 |
| sriram | flaper87|phone: we discovered a bug in the marconi-client, there's a patch out for it. | 16:01 |
| flaper87|phone | Awesommmmeeee | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | sriram: nice work! that was fast. :) | 16:02 |
| flaper87|phone | Thanks to whoever worked on that. :) | 16:03 |
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| sriram | that's me :P | 16:03 |
| flaper87|phone | Awesome | 16:03 |
| sriram | I have some questions wrt tests in marconi-client | 16:03 |
| sriram | there seem to be two directories, why do we have 2? | 16:04 |
| sriram | one inside the package, and one outside. | 16:04 |
| flaper87|phone | Mmh, the one inside the Marconi package has the base clases | 16:04 |
| flaper87|phone | And the one outside the package has the actual tests | 16:05 |
| flaper87|phone | Not sure how useful that is from a client perspective but I wanted to follow what we were doing in the server | 16:05 |
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| sriram | oh thanks, that consufed me a bit. I think I have my unit test, inside the package :/ . I'll change that. | 16:07 |
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| malini | flaper87|phone: since we are talking tests, we were considering creating a base class for the unit tests, & then versioned classes for each version of the API (this is for decouple v1 from v1.1 tests) | 16:07 |
| malini | any thoughts on tht? | 16:07 |
| sriram | yes, we badly need it. | 16:08 |
| flaper87|phone | That sounds sensible | 16:08 |
| flaper87|phone | And I agree | 16:08 |
| flaper87|phone | That should be our priority for this/next week | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | brb | 16:08 |
| flaper87|phone | Want to stab it? Or prefer me to do it? | 16:08 |
| malini | alex /sriram were planning to take on tht one | 16:09 |
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| flaper87|phone | Awesome | 16:09 |
| flaper87|phone | Sounds good | 16:09 |
| malini | I am going to be out most of this week -but will get the tempest & pop stuff going | 16:09 |
| flaper87|phone | Sounds goos | 16:09 |
| flaper87|phone | Good | 16:09 |
| malini | we had one tempest patch merged & the last one is fighting jenkins | 16:10 |
| malini | so we shud be ready to meet devananda/ TC by late this week | 16:10 |
| flaper87|phone | By all means, sriram/Alex ping me if I can be of any help | 16:10 |
| sriram | sure! | 16:10 |
| flaper87|phone | OK,I'll ping devananda | 16:10 |
| flaper87|phone | Sounds like a good time | 16:10 |
| malini | yes !! | 16:11 |
| malini | tht will give us enough time to work on any grad reqs tht have come in since | 16:11 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87|phone: were you still planning on doing msgpack support? if not, we have some other folks who are looking for something to do... :) | 16:43 |
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| flaper87|phone | I think peoplemerge was going to work on that | 16:43 |
| flaper87|phone | If he's nor, then we can give it to anyone interested | 16:43 |
| flaper87|phone | I'm planing to work on the migration thing | 16:44 |
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| kgriffs | peoplemerge: ping | 16:45 |
| kgriffs | flaper87|phone: ok, I assigned Dave for now - I'll try to get in touch with him, but if you "see" him first, can you verify that he can take this? | 16:46 |
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| flaper87|phone | Absolutely, I'd say, let's ping him on the whiteboard, if he doesn't show up in the next couple of days, let's assign it to whoever wants to work on it | 16:47 |
| kgriffs | sounds good | 16:47 |
| flaper87|phone | Is it fine if I take the migration work? | 16:48 |
| flaper87|phone | We should probably do flavors first | 16:48 |
| flaper87|phone | Btw, what if instead of flavors we call it storage capabilities? | 16:48 |
| flaper87|phone | Or something more related to storage | 16:48 |
| kgriffs | hmm | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | queue storage policy? | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | no | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | that isn't right | 16:49 |
| kgriffs | that implies the user is setting the policy, not choosing from a list predetermined by the provider | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | i agree that we can find a better term than "flavor" | 16:50 |
| kgriffs | I think that a cloud operator will likely choose storage pools that either support all of the API, or only a part of it. I don't see them mixing and matching - too confusing for the user, and also more of a pain for operators to manage... I suspect they will choose NoSQL or Broker, but not mix the two. | 16:53 |
| kgriffs | If that is true (not 100%, but in talking with some people I think there's a good chance it is), then "flavors" will just be things like | 16:54 |
| kgriffs | max_ttl, durability, max_message_size, etc. | 16:55 |
| kgriffs | hmm, I guess you could call it a queue policy | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | the provider defines a list of policies | 16:57 |
| kgriffs | a client can set a default policy, and also override that default when creating an individual queue | 16:57 |
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| malini | Can I get a few +1s plz https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94944/ ? | 18:08 |
| kgriffs | looking | 18:08 |
| malini | jchai: ^ | 18:09 |
| malini | I am going to cheat & skip the config in schema for now :-# | 18:10 |
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| sriram | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/decoupling-unit-tests | 18:16 |
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| sriram | I'll add some details on the changes soon :) | 18:20 |
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| abettadapur | malini: do you know why all the unit tests would be skipped? | 19:29 |
| malini | abettadapur: no..are you running them via tox? | 19:29 |
| abettadapur | nose | 19:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Sriram Madapusi Vasudevan proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement Lazy Create Queue in v1.1 API https://review.openstack.org/91804 | 19:33 |
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| kgriffs | swift the language or swift the service? much confusion. | 20:22 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: and swift the cpu architecture | 20:23 |
| alcabrera | no shortage of ambiguity | 20:23 |
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| tjanczuk_ | Anyone there? | 20:47 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: a few of us are, but this time of day people start signing off if they haven't already... I'm only going to be around a few more minutes myself. :p | 22:03 |
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| kgriffs | Earlier in the day there seems to be a lot more chatter in here. Just an observation. | 22:04 |
| tjanczuk_ | I was out of the loop for ~2 weeks (JSConf), I wonder if any progress has been made on AMQP? | 22:04 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: Flavio has been discussing the state of 1.0 in Rabbit with their devs. let me see if I can dig up that email | 22:05 |
| flwang | kgriffs: ping | 22:05 |
| tjanczuk_ | But implementation-wise, has there been any progress? | 22:06 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, vkmc has volunteered to start working on the AMQP driver and is just waiting for the 0.9/1.0 issue to be sorted | 22:06 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: Vickie (vkmc) is blocked on the 0.9/1.0 discussion last time I checked. We should be able to get an update tommorrow at the team meeting. | 22:07 |
| kgriffs | (minutes/summary will be recorded and posted on Marconi's meeting page, in case you can't make it) | 22:07 |
| kgriffs | flwang: pong! | 22:07 |
| kgriffs | hey, how's it going stranger? ;) | 22:08 |
| flwang | I'd like to let you know that, I'm back. | 22:08 |
| flwang | this is my first working day in NZ | 22:08 |
| tjanczuk_ | Got it. Myself, I would like to prototype 0.9. I have a quick question on this: when I start marconi-server, it seems to recognize `mongodb` and `sqllite` as storage drivers in config. What do I need to do to have marconi-server also recognize a new driver I created as a module under marconi\queues\storage? | 22:08 |
| tjanczuk_ | Is there some registration necessary? | 22:08 |
| kgriffs | flwang: awesome! | 22:08 |
| flwang | kgriffs: I saw you left a comment said there are some good feedback about the health bp, would you mind introducing a little bit? | 22:09 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: yeah, it uses this thing called "entry points" | 22:10 |
| kgriffs | i think that's a distutils thing, but can't remember for sure | 22:10 |
| kgriffs | flwang: yeah, just a moment | 22:10 |
| flwang | kgriffs: sure, thanks | 22:10 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: look in setup.cfg | 22:10 |
| kgriffs | under the section "entry_points" | 22:11 |
| kgriffs | you can actually register entry points from standalone packages, so you can create drivers outside marconi's repo | 22:11 |
| kgriffs | stevedore knows how to find them and load them up when you specify one in marconi.conf, assuming it is registered via the entry_points section | 22:11 |
| kgriffs | flwang: I updated the blueprint description to try and reflect the new direction that ops folks would like us to take that endpoint | 22:12 |
| tjanczuk_ | I think I updated the relevant sections of setup.cfg. After I do, do I need to run something before just launching marconi-server? Despite the changes marconig-server does not seem to be recognizing my new module. steveodore throws an exceptiion. | 22:12 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: you'll have to run setup after updating setup.cfg | 22:13 |
| kgriffs | probably through pip install -e . | 22:13 |
| flwang | kgriffs: ok, looking | 22:14 |
| kgriffs | flwang: let me clarify: ops would like to just use their regular monitoring tools (sensu, nagious, what-have-you) for stuff like CPU, disk, RAM usage | 22:14 |
| kgriffs | flwang: what they would like us to report is app-level data | 22:14 |
| flwang | so? | 22:14 |
| kgriffs | so, stuff those other tools can't check | 22:14 |
| kgriffs | like, how many total queues, number of messages, average lifetime of each message, etc. | 22:15 |
| flwang | metrics about Marconi itself, right? | 22:15 |
| kgriffs | I would just pick one of those for the first implementation | 22:15 |
| kgriffs | flwang: yep | 22:15 |
| flwang | kgriffs: got it | 22:15 |
| kgriffs | flwang: oh, also, I had one sys admin ask for us to do a deep "alive" check. | 22:15 |
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| kgriffs | he would like us to actually try to produce a message, claim it, delete it | 22:15 |
| kgriffs | to fully excercise everything | 22:15 |
| kgriffs | basically a mini functional test, then report that as OK or ERROR | 22:16 |
| flwang | kgriffs: interesting view | 22:16 |
| tjanczuk_ | kgriffs: I run `setup.py build` followed by `setup.py install` and still get `ERROR stevedore.extension [-] Could not load 'rabbit': No module named rabbit`. Did I miss anything else? | 22:16 |
| kgriffs | apparently, they do that anyway from the outside, and it would be nice if we helped them a little there | 22:16 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yep, I can see the point | 22:16 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: hard to say. can you paste the [entery_points] section of setup.cfg? | 22:17 |
| tjanczuk_ | I think I found a typo, sorry for confusion. | 22:17 |
| Joe_knock | What does marconi mean? | 22:18 |
| kgriffs | flwang: so, I'd say, do the deep "is alive" check plus one metric for the first iteration. Then we can discuss other metrics to add by the end of J-2. I'd like to freeze the v1.1 API by the end of that milestone. | 22:18 |
| kgriffs | Joe_knock: are you asking about the project, or specifically why it is code-named "marconi"? :) | 22:19 |
| tjanczuk_ | Joe_knock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi. The dude designed radio transmission. | 22:19 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1, for the first one metric, how about num of queue or num of msg per queue? | 22:19 |
| flwang | kgriffs: btw, any progress about the new project name? | 22:19 |
| kgriffs | Joe_knock: about the project: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi | 22:19 |
| kgriffs | flwang: number of messages per queue would have to be an average since we wouldn't want to try and list every queue in the system. :p | 22:20 |
| Joe_knock | kgriffs: why is it code-named marconi? | 22:20 |
| kgriffs | so, I vote for total number of queues per pool | 22:20 |
| kgriffs | Joe_knock: the thought was that it afforded a variety of communication patterns, just like Radio did. Radio was successful because it was so flexible. | 22:21 |
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| kgriffs | Joe_knock: that being said, we are in the process of renaming the project, since someone owns the trademark on the Marconi name and the declined to share. :( | 22:22 |
| kgriffs | flwang: we have a short list of possibilities that OpenStack legal is checking now | 22:22 |
| Joe_knock | kgriffs: Perhaps you guys should also consider renaming Falcon, as Phalcon exists too. | 22:22 |
| flwang | kgriffs: ok, then I will work on the num of queues per pool. Does that the 'pool' means shard? | 22:24 |
| tjanczuk_ | kgriffs: thanks, it was a typo on my part, things work now. | 22:27 |
| kgriffs | Joe_knock: Falcons abound, it seems. http://www.falconframework.com/ | 22:27 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk_: cool. If you can catch vkmc, it would be good for your two to sync | 22:28 |
| kgriffs | s/your/you | 22:28 |
| kgriffs | flwang: right - see Flavio's pending patch. We decided to change the name to give us a better mindset of what we wanted to achieve. | 22:28 |
| tjanczuk_ | sure | 22:28 |
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| Joe_knock | kgriffs: I will try building a simple API with falcon and PR it to you somehow, as seeing actual application code in the form of a tutorial may be useful | 22:29 |
| kgriffs | flwang: also, to reduce confusion around terminology | 22:29 |
| kgriffs | Joe_knock: definitely. BTW, feel free to discuss Falcon-specific questions/suggestions in #falconframework. There are folks using it outside OpenStack who could benefit from the discussions. | 22:30 |
| kgriffs | In fact, most of the PRs these days come from folks outside OpenStack and Rackspace | 22:30 |
| kgriffs | aaanyway... | 22:30 |
| kgriffs | I gotta run folks | 22:30 |
| Joe_knock | alright. Take care. | 22:31 |
| kgriffs | I've got ZNC running, so you can ping my username and it will highlight that part of the log when I next sign in. | 22:31 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 22:31 |
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| peoplemerge | kgriffs|afk: flaper87|afk: pong! | 23:22 |
| peoplemerge | flaper87|afk: might need to refresh my memory on this msgpack one, I'm down to start hacking it tho! | 23:37 |
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