Wednesday, 2014-04-09

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openstackgerritMalini Kamalambal proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use config options to determine message count  https://review.openstack.org/8620301:22
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kgriffsmalini_afk: wrt cross-produce session with Marconi, I think we may be doing some of those already in the respective product tracks, but it would be great to get everyone together for one session as you say.13:08
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kgriffsflaper87: not sure if you have the context of this discussion from yesterday, but if so, I'd love to get your thoughts.13:09
alcabreraGood morning! :)13:09
flaper87kgriffs: I don't :( Mind sharing ?13:09
flaper87GOOD MORNING PEOPLE13:09
mpanettaAhh!13:10
kgriffsflaper87: One word, man: ZNC13:10
kgriffs:D13:10
kgriffsmalini: " There are other OS projects interested in using marconi"13:10
kgriffs"dedicate a session to get them talk their needs, find areas marconi might need to improve to meet their needs etc"13:10
flaper87kgriffs: I have it, I just didn't read the logs today13:10
flaper87hahaha13:10
flaper87I think it would be interesting but I guess 1 session for many projects will be confusing13:11
flaper87I'd rather have 1 session for 1 specific use-case (swift)13:11
flaper87and then do hallway sessions with other folks13:11
flaper87Other projects that are interested: horizon, ceilometer13:11
flaper87I think there's a session proposal for horizon13:11
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kgriffsthere may be one also for heat - I talked to one of their core devs and he was thinking of proposing one13:12
flaper87ah yeah heat too13:12
flaper87and probably there's one for Trove13:12
flaper87so, lot of interesting things but not much time13:13
kgriffsI have seen some chatter of their reluctance though since we aren't being integrated in this cycle. Chicken-and-egg problem.13:13
flaper87I think we should pick one of those cases and dedicate time to that13:14
flaper87obviously, invite other projects to participate to that session13:14
flaper87I think those use-cases will overlap13:14
kgriffsdo you know whether the Agent team has any session slots?13:14
kgriffshmmm13:14
kgriffslet me pull up the schedule13:14
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kgriffsthere is one slot on tuesday for "other projects"13:15
kgriffswell, that will have to be hallway or project-pod discussion13:15
kgriffsflaper87: that sounds like a good plan13:15
kgriffspick one that is fairly general that will have overlap13:16
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malinio/13:20
malinigood morning!!13:20
Gammohello13:21
mpanettaMorning malini :)13:21
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flaper87HELLO PEOPLE!13:25
alcabrerao/13:25
malini\o/13:26
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kgriffsmalini: hi!13:31
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kgriffsI gotta run for a bit folks13:31
kgriffsmalini: real quick, see flaper87's comments above re cross-project sessions13:31
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maliniflaper87, kgriffs: it makes sense to have 1:1 discussions with specific projects13:33
maliniThe ideal would be to get a slot in their summit sessions13:33
maliniBut tht sounds wrong, since we will be using their slots :(13:33
flaper87well, the ideal would be the inverse, I think13:39
flaper87they getting a slot in our room13:39
flaper87since we don't have any idea how they could benefit from marconi13:40
flaper87or well, they inviting us13:40
flaper87or we calling the president and ask him to issue an imediate session request13:40
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flaper87or probably just do a dry-run of the world domination applied to the openstack summit13:40
flaper87you get the idea13:40
flaper87:D13:40
mpanettaMmm world domination13:41
mpanettaWe need to have a queue demo set up...13:41
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maliniflaper87: 'since we don't have any idea how they could benefit from marconi' - we should probably spend some time on targeted projects to investigate how they could benefit from marconi13:47
malinibasically it is on us to sell them marconi13:47
maliniatleast for the first few buyers ;)13:47
mpanettamalini: We just need to let them all know just how much marconi rocks! ;)13:48
flaper87malini: sure, what I meant is: We know what Marconi is good for, we don't know if project X needs it13:48
malinimpanetta: +113:48
flaper87but I agree we should spend some time providing some ideas13:48
maliniflaper87: what would be the best way to tackle this?13:49
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malinifind some allies in the projects & start working with them before the summit?13:49
mpanettaI have a secret.  I have been working on setting up a marconi FUSE filesystem, just as a toy.  You could do queues in bash that way...13:50
malinimpanetta has another side!!13:50
mpanettaI called it marconis-fuse.  Been working on it very slowly, not 100% sure what it would be good for other then a toy...13:50
malinitoys are always interesting ;)13:50
mpanettaTrue :)13:50
flaper87mpanetta: hehehe, awesome! :D13:51
flaper87malini: not sure what the best way to do that is, not OTOH13:51
flaper87that certainly requires time13:51
maliniyes..lots of time13:51
flaper87I think one good way to tackle this would be contributing to other OpenStack projects13:51
flaper87that would help the project and ourselves13:52
flaper87but again, that requires time13:52
maliniit is a big trade off13:52
flaper87I think we need to spend some more time on adding other things to marconi and trust other projects interest13:52
malinido we spend time making marconi better of promoting what we have now13:52
flaper87that is, trust the fact that they're interested and they'll spend some time13:53
flaper87we also have the issue that not being integrated is a huge penalty here13:53
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maliniyeah..if other projects start using marconi, thta will bring us more credibility during grad reviews13:53
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mpanettaCan we get customer stories from the people we have using it now?13:55
mpanettaWould that help?13:55
malinimpanetta: I believe megan_w  is working on tht13:55
flaper87brb, meeting13:56
mpanettaAwesome13:56
srirammpanetta: marconi FUSE sounds really cool :D14:01
mpanettasriram: You think?14:03
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kgriffsmalini, flaper87: so, the tricky part of all this will be finding a way to have other programs depend on marconi, but only optionally, until we graduate14:42
kgriffsif we can smooth the path for programs to do that, we will have 3-5 teams signing up right away14:43
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kgriffswe should have a wiki section all about this, with FAQ and everything14:44
kgriffsso when people say "we've been thinking about using marconi" we can give them a link14:45
flaper87I personally don't think they need to wait for Marconi to graduate but I don't want to discuss now what 'integrated' should mean14:46
flaper87That's to say, I'm fine with Marconi being optional but I don't think the reason should be: "because the project is not graduated"14:47
maliniThe word integrated should be banned14:47
maliniit creates all the wrong impressions14:47
kgriffsmakes sense14:47
kgriffsok, so we should say "here is this feature you can turn on if you also deploy Marconi. Marconi is production-ready."14:48
maliniBut why would other projects want to do that?14:48
malinithey can choose to use something else, & create new features without tht conditional statement14:48
alcabreraObulpathi1: slides I promised: https://speakerdeck.com/cabrera/the-definitive-introduction-to-falcon14:49
flaper87malini: because ideally, openstack projects shouldn't be opinionated14:49
sriramwhoa alcabrera 214 slides.. :D14:49
flaper87(note the conditionals in my sentence)14:50
malini:D14:50
maliniI think the onus is on us to sell marconi to other projects14:50
flaper87alcabrera: holy crap! 214 slides14:50
flaper87:o14:50
alcabreralol14:50
maliniBut flaper87 has a valid point -what do we focus on?14:50
alcabreraI have pandoc + markdown to thank for making that easy14:50
flaper87and now I know what onus means14:50
flaper87:P14:50
malini:D14:51
flaper87I had no idea that word existed14:51
flaper87:D14:51
maliniI liked 'onus is on us'14:51
flaper87exists14:51
malinilet me google if it really exists :D14:51
alcabrerait exists. :P14:51
maliniwoohoo14:51
flaper87malini: I already did14:51
alcabreradef. onus: duty or responsibility14:51
alcabreranoun14:52
flaper87I don't trust your english, sorry14:52
flaper87I thought that was a typo14:52
flaper87:P14:52
flaper87(b)onus14:52
flaper87but it didn't make sense14:52
flaper87:D14:52
alcabrerathe bonus is also on us14:52
malini(b)onus is certainly better than onus14:52
alcabreraand that bonus is part tarts14:52
AAzzaHi, everyone :)14:52
alcabrerapoptarts, too14:52
alcabreraAAzza: heya!14:52
flaper87did I hear tarts?14:52
malinihello AAzza!14:52
flaper87POP TARTS14:52
flaper87w00000000000000000t14:52
alcabreratart you did14:52
flaper87AAzza: hey :D14:52
alcabreraatomic pop (tart) operations14:53
kgriffsalcabrera: mind if I link to those slides from the Falcon docs?14:53
alcabrerakgriffs: not at all. Go right ahead. :)14:54
kgriffsthanks!14:55
AAzzaJust wanted to say, if you have any task/bug/code imporvement to do, pls say me). I had two weeks writing essays, reports, blah-blah for university and reeeally want to do smth more useful )14:55
maliniAAzza: wooooot!!14:55
maliniwe have lots of all of that :)14:56
maliniyou get to pick ;)14:56
kgriffsI think horizon could be a good bet. Also we could talk to Barbican and Swift.14:57
kgriffsHorizon because Jay could help us there14:57
maliniWe should start labelling low hanging fruit bps14:57
flaper87kgriffs: I'm leaning towards horizon and swift14:57
kgriffsBarbican because I know the PTL14:57
kgriffsSwift because those guys kick *ss14:57
kgriffs:D14:57
flaper87kgriffs: and people say we italians always work with mafias....14:57
flaper87kgriffs: re: "barbican because I know the PTL"14:58
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flaper87:P14:58
flaper87I like horizons use case because it involves web too14:58
malinirally might also have a usecase14:59
AAzzamalini: oh, glad to see. do you think https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1300881 it is ok to do?15:00
kgriffshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/collaborate15:00
maliniAAzza: Tht will be a good one to investigate. I think the test client already has default headers.15:01
maliniYou can check that & mark as invalid if it already accepts default headers15:01
kgriffsoh, I also *really* like the Guest Agent use case.15:01
kgriffsit adds a bit of variety to the requirements15:01
AAzzamalini: oh, okey, i'll check everything :)15:02
maliniAAzza: Another one is to convert all functional test validations to use jsonschema. It will get rid of a lot of code in the tests , and will be an excellent intro to all Marconi APIs15:02
AAzzamalini: sound really great :) will look next. i'll ask you about it later? or there is ticket for it?15:04
maliniAAzza: no :-$15:05
kgriffsjraim: is there a use case for Barbican that involves sending notifications to end users?15:05
jraimkgriffs: maybe in the revocation aspect of things, but I havne't thought that much about it yet15:06
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kgriffsjraim: kk15:15
kgriffsd00d, what's up with pypy?15:22
kgriffshttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/979061452dec2159d50f15:24
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kgriffsSubmitted a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/130514815:38
AAzzamalini: if test_client is the one, who lives here https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/http.py#L106 then no, there is no any default accept-header )15:50
AAzzamalini: so probably it should be added) the default value should be '*/*' ?15:53
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maliniAAzza: I think that one is the mock response16:18
maliniSee https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/helpers.py#L4316:18
maliniAAzza: But good point..we need the L#106 as well16:19
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/8583416:56
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AAzzamalini: recheck everything one more time, and yes,  you were right, the default headers are set.17:11
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maliniThanks AAzza! can you update the bug?17:12
AAzzamalini: yes, course. Just to ensure. This is the line, yes?  https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/tests/functional/base.py#L9017:13
maliniyes17:14
AAzzamalini: what to do with bug, write a comment, that it is already ok and change the status? to what status?)17:14
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maliniAAzza: yes..add your comments & mark it invalid17:16
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