Thursday, 2014-01-09

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flwangflaper87: ping09:06
flaper87flwang: pong09:07
flaper87flwang: how are you doing?09:07
flwangflaper87: a simple question about https://github.com/openstack/python-marconiclient/blob/master/marconiclient/queues/v1/client.py#L6509:07
flwangflaper87: good, how about you? man09:07
flaper87flwang: I'm doing well09:07
flaper87btw, did you see https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-marconiclient/0.0.1a1 ?09:08
flaper87:D09:08
flwangflaper87: seems _request_and_transport is an internal method, but I saw it's called anywhere, why?09:08
flaper87:D09:08
flaper87:D09:08
flwangwow, cool09:08
flwangflaper87: you make it happen09:08
flwangI asked that, because I'm writing the unit test the v1 client.py09:10
flaper87flwang: yeah, well, let's say "it's private for the class and subclasses"09:14
flaper87:D09:14
flaper87I don't want it to be called outside client, queues, messages, claims, shards09:14
flaper87etc09:14
flaper87but it's definitely useful for those resources09:15
flaper87it's helped a lot with DRY09:15
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flwangI see, if so, why we still keep it as private, why not public? I can't see the point09:15
flwangmaybe I missed something?09:16
flaper87flwang: I don't want users to do queue._request_and_transport()09:16
flaper87If they need to hack the request / transport instance then they should be using the lower level API under core09:17
flaper87does that make sense?09:17
flwangok09:18
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521309:42
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521309:44
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521309:49
openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521309:50
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521310:17
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Enforce size verification on content-length  https://review.openstack.org/6567412:20
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use testr instead of nosetest  https://review.openstack.org/6568613:15
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Enforce size verification on content-length  https://review.openstack.org/6567413:16
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jamiehif i have a controller server and 1 compute node, which server should i run `nova network-create vmnet` on?14:25
jamiehsorry, wrong channel :)14:26
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alcabreraGood morning! :)15:03
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flaper87alcabrera: goooooooooooood morning15:09
flaper87:)15:09
alcabreraflaper87: hey! :D15:09
alcabreraHow are you?15:09
flaper87I'm doing well, how are you doing?15:10
alcabreraGreat. I've been thoroughly entranced by Haskell in my free time, so it feels like that's 50% of what I think about. :P15:10
alcabreraI'm feeling in a review mood, at the moment, so all the patches are about to get some love.15:11
flaper87alcabrera: awesome!!!!!15:11
flaper87I read your last thoughtstream about haskell15:11
flaper87great stuff15:11
flaper87I wish I had more time15:11
flaper87I'm dedicating more time to rust lately15:11
alcabreraheh15:12
flaper87alcabrera: you should totally practice by coding on python-marconiclient15:12
flaper87erm15:12
alcabreratime is so precious, even though it doesn't really exist. ;)15:12
flaper87haskell-marconiclient15:12
flaper87:D15:12
alcabrerayeeesss15:12
alcabreraalso, re: rust15:12
alcabreraI think it's awesome you're following that path!15:12
alcabrerawe should exchange notes as we keep learning about our respective free time languages. :)15:12
alcabreraWe cover more ground that way - div and conquer!15:12
flaper87yeah, totally. I've been meaning to have a stream about Rust. I just feel I've forgotten everything about it :P15:13
alcabreralol15:13
flaper87some things have changed since 0.815:13
flaper87:D15:13
alcabreraIt keeps evolving, from what I've heard!15:13
flaper87anyway, I'm definitely starting again15:13
alcabrerathen there's that awesome-sounding "Operating systems in Rust" class15:13
flaper87one thing that I'm going to work on is a port of oslo.config in rust15:14
flaper87yeah, some guys are writing kernels in rust15:14
flaper87again, I whish I had enough time to play with that too. Not that I know how to do it...15:14
alcabrerasweet15:14
flaper87but it'd be cool to learn15:15
flaper87:D15:15
alcabreradefinitely. :)15:15
alcabreraif you don't know how yet, that means there's *a lot* to learn15:15
alcabreraIt's a very satisfying position to be in15:15
zyuanah, hope they can fix the crazy pointers....15:16
zyuanbut that's unlikely...15:16
flaper87alcabrera: yeah, I got concepts in my mind, I've never written a OS though15:17
flaper87zyuan: rust pointers ?15:17
flaper87alcabrera: notes about recheck and reverify15:20
* alcabrera tends to jump to the reverify option in the presence of unusual errors15:22
zyuanflaper87: yea, those ~&@15:22
alcabrera:P15:22
flaper87recheck -> not yet approved reviews. And it supports recheck no bug15:23
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flaper87reverify -> failed merges. it doesn't support reverify no bug15:23
flaper87it used to, though.15:23
alcabreraflaper87: thanks for the pointers!15:24
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flaper87zyuan: ah yeah, that won't change. Well, & just takes a reference. @~ are heap allocations15:33
flaper87but yeah, it's a bit weird at the beginning15:34
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flaper87alcabrera: I'm happy I got this working: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65686/15:37
alcabreraI saw that, flaper87!15:39
alcabreraGood to see the transition finally working. :D15:39
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flaper87eah, I had a hard time when I last tried that15:42
flaper87:(15:42
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Remove __MARCONI_SETUP__  https://review.openstack.org/6570815:44
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flwangalcabrera: ping16:01
flwangalcabrera: may I get your bless on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65213/ ?16:01
kgriffsguys, check this out: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements16:03
kgriffshot off the presses16:03
kgriffsmain thing we are missing is "Documentation / User support"16:03
alcabrerakgriffs: ooohh, nice find!16:04
alcabreraflwang: sure thing16:04
* alcabrera clicks flwang's link16:04
alcabreraflwang: +2 / approved! Thanks!16:05
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alcabrerakgriffs: I have an email from annegentle sitting in my inbox from a month ago that details everything about the documentation process. :)16:06
alcabreraso whenever we get around to that~16:06
alcabrerawe can proceed canonically16:06
kgriffsfwiw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/docs16:09
kgriffsalcabrera, flaper87: if you guys notice anything else we are missing, please create a bp and make "graduation" bp depend on it16:10
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kgriffsTBH, I don't think we are graduating for Icehouse.16:11
malinikgriffs: :(16:11
kgriffsjust because we need some maturation time16:11
maliniit wud have been cool to have a victory march in ATL16:11
kgriffsi think we will basically be ready, but we won't have a track record of supporting non-Rackspace deployments16:11
kgriffsmalini: I think we can still release "1.0"16:11
malinikgriffs: thts not too bad16:12
kgriffsyeah16:12
flaper87I don't think we'll graduate for Ith either but I think that's fine, TBH.16:12
maliniwhile we are talking graduation, can everybody +1 these please https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-basic-marconi-tests,n,z ?16:12
kgriffswe can still celebrate the first real Marconi release in ATL16:12
malininote: I said +1 ;)16:12
kgriffsmalini: will tempest be testing against MongoDB?16:14
kgriffsbecause, I feel like it wouldn't be a "real" test otherwise16:14
malinikgriffs: yes.it'll be running against devstack which uses mongodb16:14
alcabreraI'm in agreement about Ith - there's too much to do, and rushing things would just lead to more problems.16:14
kgriffsmalini: rock on16:14
maliniAfter the tempest stuff is done, I am planning to work on adding a new jenkins  job tht'll run  our unit/functional tests against devstack16:15
maliniSo we can have our tests running against mongodb, instead of just sqlite16:15
kgriffs"Produce a rock-solid, scalable, ops-ready "1.0" foundational Marconi release overlayed with a polished API."16:16
kgriffsI think this page is still pretty much correct16:17
kgriffshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/roadmaps/icehouse16:17
kgriffsdocs are "low" but I said they should be "high" for J16:17
malini'At the end of every cycle, incubated projects go through a graduation review16:18
malinito check if they are ready to be made an integral part of the next development16:18
malinicycle and be included in the next OpenStack integrated release.16:18
malini' - does tht mean we'll still be evaluated for "I" ?16:18
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alcabrerait sounds like it, malini.16:20
alcabreraIt'd be like a performance review of marconi, to see how far along we've come.16:20
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flaper87we won't be evaluated if we know we're not ready. I'd love to have a checkpoint review with the TC, though.16:21
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alcabrera+1 for checkpoint review16:22
flwang+116:25
kgriffsmid-cycle review is coming up next week in TC mtg.16:26
kgriffseveryone is welcome to attend16:26
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Fixes wrong variable invoking during get transport  https://review.openstack.org/6521316:27
kgriffshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Technical_Committee_meeting16:27
kgriffsso...16:36
kgriffsI'm not quite ready to blatantly recognize the elephant in the OpenStack room16:37
kgriffsbut summarizes my thoughts on the matter: http://blog.kgriffs.com/2014/01/08/software-standardization-manifesto.html16:37
kgriffsso sue me.16:37
alcabrerakgriffs: +116:37
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* flaper87 will attend16:51
* kgriffs wonders again when/if flaper87 sleeps16:54
flaper87The answer to 'if' makes the 'when' not necessary :P16:55
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Enforce size verification on content-length  https://review.openstack.org/6567416:58
* kgriffs clicks17:10
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kgriffsI suspect message postings just got faster17:13
kgriffsalthough17:13
kgriffsnevermind17:13
kgriffsflwang:17:14
kgriffsoops17:14
kgriffssorry - wrong d00d17:14
kgriffsflaper87: queue_length vs. queue_content?17:14
kgriffsWAH17:15
* kgriffs is confused17:15
flaper87kgriffs: we need to split the lenght check from the content check. I split it for messages and for queues. The length check is done at the top of the view17:15
flaper87before the content check17:15
kgriffsqueue_content looks like a noop17:15
flaper87kgriffs: it is, we don't have any check there yet, but I thought about keeping it17:16
flaper87because we'll have most likely. That kinda violates YAGNI17:16
flaper87but it was already there, I PROMISSE17:16
flaper87:P17:16
kgriffsheh17:16
flaper87I'm fine with both17:17
kgriffsLet's just nuke it. Easy to add back later, right?17:17
flaper87sure, lemme do that17:17
alcabreraevery time the LOC of a code base gets reduced, someone gets a poptart17:17
kgriffsalso, what do you think about renaming "queue_length" ==> "queue_size"?17:18
kgriffsqueue_length makes me think "number of messages in the queue"17:18
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Enforce size verification on content-length  https://review.openstack.org/6567417:18
flaper87I thought about merging both checks in a single 'request_length' verification17:19
flaper87with 1 config parameter17:19
flaper87thoughts?17:21
* alcabrera checks17:22
alcabreraso - this would be about merging queue_length and message_length?17:23
alcabreraflaper87: ^17:23
flaper87yeah, it's just an idea. I was thinking about that when working on that patch17:23
alcabrerahmmm17:24
flaper87I didn't go down that road because we currently have different defaults for both17:24
flaper87which means there may be different needs17:24
flaper87I'm not sure what those needs are17:24
alcabreraI'd like to keep them separate. I expect metadata will often be smaller than messages.17:25
alcabreraI have a rename suggestion, though - since queue_length confused me, on a closer look. :P17:25
flaper87also, I didn't go down that road because if we merge them then why not letting it being enforced by some third-party tool ? haproxy?17:25
alcabreraqueue_metadata_length17:25
alcabreraflaper87: +1 - I had those thoughts, too.17:25
alcabreraI considered max_request_length on nginx side, heh.17:25
flaper87alcabrera: rename comming17:25
alcabreraw00t17:26
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kgriffsd00d, too many DBs to keep up with these days17:33
kgriffshttps://foundationdb.com/17:33
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alcabrerakgriffs: agreed17:34
alcabrerarethinkdb, foundationdb, voltdb, riak, cassandra, mongodb, redis, ...17:35
alcabreramysql, mariadb, postgresql, sqlite, etc.17:35
alcabrera:P17:35
alcabreranot to mention the graph databases17:35
alcabreraand then the layers over traditional DBs (presto)17:36
kgriffsand another one17:37
kgriffshttp://goo.gl/GfJvYO17:37
kgriffsfun stuff17:37
kgriffsmakes me think Darwin still has some work to do on all these options17:38
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Enforce size verification on content-length  https://review.openstack.org/6567417:39
alcabreraah, yes - orientdb17:40
alcabreratotally agree about that "survival of the fittest"17:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: chore: Sync local (marconi) requirements with global reqs  https://review.openstack.org/6455618:00
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flaper87kgriffs: alcabrera are you guys having this issue too? http://logs.openstack.org/74/65674/5/check/gate-marconi-pypy/b188571/console.html19:01
maliniflaper87:  I have seen this one before19:06
maliniits related to https://github.com/openstack/marconi/commit/d90d3cc5b594d6bb526a0ccc8b4b728292aced3e19:07
malinifor some weird reason , we are occassionally getting back a wrong href u'/v1/queues/155950b4-7956-11e3-b877-bc764e05317e/messages/messages/5c6939ba'19:08
malinion insert messages19:08
flaper87malini: mhh, so, there must be a race somewhere in those tests19:09
maliniflaper87: I dont think its the test..19:09
maliniit is the href returned that has a duplicate '/messages'19:09
maliniThis is the href returned in the insert messages response19:10
flaper87mmh, but wait, the duplicate /message should be fixed19:10
malini'u'/v1/queues/155950b4-7956-11e3-b877-bc764e05317e/messages/messages/5c6939ba'19:10
flaper87flwang: fixed that19:10
flaper87mmh19:10
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alcabreraI'm out for the day. Take care, guys!21:22
balajiiyeralcabrera: cya21:23
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