| bswartz | tbarron: she did argue that it was generally useful, but I found the argument to be unconvincing | 00:43 |
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| bswartz | when we got into use cases, I didn't hear any problems that all_squash could solve which couldn't be solved some other way | 00:45 |
| bswartz | To me it feels like a case of trying to take every tool that exists in Linux's NFS implementation and exposing it through Manila. I've resisted that from the beginning. | 00:47 |
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| tbarron | well almost all implementations support it; the back ends in the room all said they could do it except one; we've supported and designed for capabilities that only one or actually none yet (i think of some of the replication values) can actually support | 01:18 |
| tbarron | so I guess we disagree on the value of *squash, fair enough | 01:19 |
| tbarron | but my impression was that most of the folks at the PTG were convinced of its value; I put that in the minutes, no one sought to correct | 01:19 |
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| bswartz | Well I have an obvious bias, given that we're discussing a feature NetApp doesn't support | 01:35 |
| bswartz | However, my logic is that -- if it was really a valuable feature, we'd support it, because NetApp has a _lot_ of NFS customers | 01:35 |
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| bswartz | The vision for Manila has always been to intentionally expose less than everything that's possible on each backend | 01:36 |
| bswartz | We don't aim for the lowest common denominator, but we only aim above it when there's a good use case | 01:37 |
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| zhongjun_ | I thought we agree with all resource could have its own metadata | 02:21 |
| tbarron | well I think zhongjun_ convinced all but one of the people at the PTG that this was a good use case :) | 02:25 |
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| zhongjun_ | so I am confused again | 02:28 |
| tbarron | i'm signing off for tonight; zhongjun_ we did agree that in general resources can have their own metadata; I'm just | 02:28 |
| tbarron | trying to find a way to keep the core opensource manila strong, so that when we identify | 02:28 |
| tbarron | features that are worth while we put our energies into developing them for the community | 02:28 |
| tbarron | bswartz and I have an honest disagreement about whether the *squash features fall into the | 02:30 |
| tbarron | category of features worth developing. | 02:30 |
| tbarron | in manila proper. | 02:30 |
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| tbarron | I might be wrong, but I thought he was in a minority of 1 on the issue. | 02:31 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: "we did agree that in general resources can have their own metadata" so could we just agree with implement the metadata stuff in Rocky? " I'm just trying to find a way to keep the core opensource manila strong" This is a total different feature, It is worth to discuss it, but it don't have any relationship with metadata? | 02:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vu Cong Tuan proposed openstack/manila master: Adding driver to mysql connection URL https://review.openstack.org/554185 | 09:51 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: I think I've been clear, we can proceed with the access rule metadata spec. | 11:38 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: the open issue is whether access rule metadata should be used to implement *squash capabilities | 11:39 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: for clouds that need to implement these | 11:39 |
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| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Thanks tom. The access rule metadata shouldn't be used to implement *squash capabilities | 11:40 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: my position is that it should not, that we should treat *squash the way we do other capabilities | 11:40 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: bswartz's position if I understand him is that this is not a useful capability to have | 11:41 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: in core manila; if it were useful netapp would have implemented it; so that if one | 11:41 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: wants to implement this it must be done by use of metadata or some other extension | 11:41 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: mechanism outside core open source upstream manila | 11:42 |
| tbarron | my position is that there are clear use cases for all_squash, e.g. when one has a share with | 11:43 |
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| tbarron | an anonymous ftp directory or the like | 11:44 |
| tbarron | and there is a need to force the uid from a set of external clients to a known, safe uid that | 11:45 |
| tbarron | can nonetheless write to that directory | 11:46 |
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| zhongjun_ | tbarron: so, you fears that vendors may use metadata as a way to put *squash feature in. If the access rule metadata shouldn't be used to implement *squash capabilities, we can continue to do the access rule metadata spec. | 11:58 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: we can continue to do the access rule metadata spec | 11:59 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: and my fear is less about back end vendors (they are generally motivated to *want* | 11:59 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: capabilities to be recognized by open source manila) than by non-open-source forks | 12:00 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: of manila | 12:00 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: thanks, let's continue to do the access rule metadata spec | 12:01 |
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| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Could you add some comments on the access rule metadata spec when you have free time. It would be more clear and more useful for tracing history. | 12:12 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Thanks in advance | 12:12 |
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| zigo | tbarron: zhongjun_: Hi there! Any progress on fixing Python 3 compat in manila-ui ? | 16:53 |
| zigo | tbarron: zhongjun_: Everything else works, that's the only single OpenStack in Debian component that refuses py3 ... | 16:54 |
| tbarron | zigo: vkmc is working on this ^^^ | 16:58 |
| vkmc | zigo, o/ | 16:59 |
| vkmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552121/ | 16:59 |
| zigo | vkmc: Good ! | 16:59 |
| vkmc | zigo, I think that should do it, let me know if you spot something missing | 16:59 |
| zigo | vkmc: Let me try the patch and I'll let you know in a few minutes. | 17:00 |
| vkmc | zigo, thanks, appreciate that | 17:01 |
| zigo | vkmc: Still some failures ... | 17:03 |
| vkmc | zigo, logs? | 17:03 |
| vkmc | I need to check on horizon side as well | 17:03 |
| zigo | vkmc: Comming, hang on... | 17:04 |
| zigo | vkmc: http://sid.gplhost.com/logs/manila-ui_2.13.0-1_amd64-2018-03-19T17:02:47Z.build | 17:04 |
| zigo | vkmc: The thing that goes into an infinite loop is the __getattr__ redifinition. | 17:05 |
| * zigo goes for dinner | 17:05 | |
| vkmc | zigo, checking | 17:05 |
| zigo | Ping me if there's any progress. | 17:05 |
| vkmc | zigo, enjoy, will do | 17:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victoria Martinez de la Cruz proposed openstack/manila-ui master: Make manila-ui python3 compatible https://review.openstack.org/552121 | 21:15 |
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| tbarron | zigo: ^^^^ | 22:24 |
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| zigo | tbarron: Was this tested? :) | 22:28 |
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| * zigo tries this new patch | 22:30 | |
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| tbarron | zigo: I was pointing you to the update b/c you were providing some useful test feedback :) | 22:57 |
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