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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Refactoring amphora stats driver interface https://review.opendev.org/737111 | 00:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anushka Singh proposed openstack/octavia master: [DNM] Create yamas driver for statistics https://review.opendev.org/743653 | 01:05 |
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| trunghx | Dear All, About The "Fix listener update with SNI certificates" in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712790/6, we wish it merged into stable/train branch. Who can help us. Thank you very much!!! | 06:10 |
| cgoncalves | trunghx, hi. the fix has been backported to and merged in stable/train on July 17 | 06:16 |
| cgoncalves | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/If5b6411a0b7c75441a406234c2792ea68d35d0fe | 06:16 |
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| trunghx | cgoncalves, Is that so, and yet I don't see, thank you very much cgoncalves :D | 06:18 |
| cgoncalves | trunghx, pretty sure. I see it on GitHub: https://github.com/openstack/octavia/commit/b9dd09450863a155490f9bbaf4b0dd1f23a00b02 | 06:20 |
| trunghx | oh sorry, I saw it. thanks cgoncalves :) | 06:21 |
| cgoncalves | no problem! | 06:22 |
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| trunghx | cgoncalves That would be a super feature (like) | 06:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Liu proposed openstack/octavia master: Alternative Distributor for L3 Active-Active, N+1 Amphora Setup https://review.opendev.org/723864 | 07:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Add experimental amphorav2 jobs https://review.opendev.org/737993 | 08:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/ussuri: Fix haproxy user flow log format substitution https://review.opendev.org/743723 | 10:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/train: Fix haproxy user flow log format substitution https://review.opendev.org/743724 | 10:58 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 16:00:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | Hi everyone | 16:00 |
| cgoncalves | o/ | 16:00 |
| * xgerman lurking | 16:00 | |
| ataraday_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| gthiemonge | Hi | 16:00 |
| aannuusshhkkaa | hi | 16:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:01 | |
| johnsom | Vote for PTG week | 16:01 |
| johnsom | There is a poll open for which week we should have the PTG | 16:01 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/016098.html | 16:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | You should have got an e-mail about it, but if not the link in that e-mail should work | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Also, call for presentations for the virtual summit | 16:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://cfp.openstack.org/ | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Registration for the summit is also open. | 16:03 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/ | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Finally, I wanted to mention that our gates are broken due to a pyroute2 bump the neutron folks needed. 0.5.13 included another change that broke looking up interfaces. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | I have opened the following bug: | 16:04 |
| johnsom | #link https://github.com/svinota/pyroute2/issues/724 | 16:04 |
| johnsom | There is a proposed patch, but unfortunately they didn't merge it and release last night. | 16:05 |
| johnsom | A bit later in the meeting we should talk about our timeline and if we should revert the 0.5.13 version bump in upper-constraints. | 16:05 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements today? | 16:05 |
| cgoncalves | one other announcement: Queens and Rocky releases are officially EOL | 16:06 |
| rm_work | \o/ | 16:06 |
| rm_work | woooooo | 16:06 |
| cgoncalves | all open stable/queens and stable/rocky patches were abandoned | 16:07 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that was great! Supporting those old OS releases and versions was a pain. | 16:07 |
| johnsom | cgoncalves Thank you, I had the window open to do that, but you beat me to it! | 16:07 |
| johnsom | Any thing else? | 16:09 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:09 | |
| johnsom | I have wrapped up the first pass on backporting the failover flow update to the amphora v2 driver. It is passing for me. | 16:10 |
| johnsom | #link | 16:10 |
| rm_work | Sweet | 16:10 |
| rm_work | link? :D | 16:10 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.opendev.org/738292 | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Sorry, pebkac | 16:10 |
| rm_work | delta-based metrics seems like it's about to merge, once gates are fixed! thanks for the reviews | 16:11 |
| johnsom | I have pivoted back to working on cleaning up the tempest tests. | 16:11 |
| rm_work | the next thing in that chain is a refactor to make the drivers actually workable for more than just databases, and also more sane for third-party stuff that uses the agent to report stats | 16:11 |
| rm_work | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737111 | 16:11 |
| ataraday_ | On top of my list review of update failover v2, I rebased experimental jobs change on top of it - as soon as gates fixed - we can check jobs there as well. | 16:11 |
| rm_work | That is ready for review, and I'd love to at least know in general whether there's major objections to the overall plan | 16:12 |
| johnsom | Excellent on both accounts | 16:12 |
| johnsom | Ha, that got big. I will add it to my review list. I have a few things on there already | 16:13 |
| rm_work | we have an additional stats driver on top of that as an example -- but it is only for an internal stats service we use... though I think could be easily modified to work with something else like prometheus or influx/carbon | 16:13 |
| rm_work | ah like 75% of that is just things moving from one file to another (over half is just a test file that moved, really) | 16:14 |
| cgoncalves | friendly reminder to add patches to the priority review list for better visibility/tracking | 16:14 |
| cgoncalves | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/octavia-priority-reviews | 16:14 |
| ataraday_ | Also cgoncalves change is ready https://review.opendev.org/#/c/739053/ - we may consider have jobboard disabled by default if we still want to drop v1/v2 code paths and do not feel that jobboard is ready to be default in next release | 16:14 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I really need to spend some quality time there. | 16:14 |
| rm_work | yeah i'll for sure get to that at some point soon T_T | 16:14 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ That is the next topic on the agenda! | 16:15 |
| cgoncalves | ataraday_, thank you for the reviews! | 16:15 |
| ataraday_ | oops! | 16:15 |
| rm_work | yeah I think v2 without jobboard (as much as we do want jobboard) makes me more comfortable, to allow a slow transition | 16:15 |
| johnsom | No worries, just highlighting the topic. It is an important one today. | 16:16 |
| johnsom | Ok, any other updates today, or are we ready for the main event? | 16:17 |
| cgoncalves | hmm, now that I'm thinking about this again I guess we need to make some code in the devstack plugin conditional to jobboard being enabled. for example, skip redis install and octavia_persistence mysql database | 16:17 |
| johnsom | #topic Amphora V2 driver status for Victoria | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Amphora V2 driver status for Victoria (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:18 | |
| rm_work | yeah make a devstack var that sets that AND the config i guess | 16:18 |
| ataraday_ | cgoncalves, good point - this should be skipped | 16:18 |
| johnsom | Ok, at the PTG we set Victoria milestone 2 as the checkpoint on if we are ready to transition the default driver to the amphora v2 code. | 16:18 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/octavia-virtual-V-ptg | 16:19 |
| johnsom | MS 2 is this week, so we need to make a call if we are ready for that transition | 16:19 |
| johnsom | I have been working with the amphora v2 driver a bunch over the last few weeks for the failover backport and I have some concerns. | 16:20 |
| johnsom | We put together an etherpad: | 16:20 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/octavia-amphora-v2 | 16:20 |
| rm_work | Personally, as much as I LOVE to deprecate things as fast as possible, and we'd need to do this to start the deprecation clock on v1 i think... I am not super comfortable opting to make it the default driver when we're only just now getting it to feature parity with v1. :/ | 16:21 |
| johnsom | I think for the most part, the major code work is done, but I think we have some bugs/learning to do. | 16:21 |
| rm_work | Yeah I'd much rather have a cycle to work out the bugs a bit and get some real world testing in, before we just go shove this in people's faces. We've worked very very hard to try to gain some amount of trust, I don't want to throw that away by releasing something prematurely | 16:22 |
| johnsom | My biggest concern is I have had some endless loops fire off where jobs continuously get re-dispatched. | 16:22 |
| johnsom | This burned my cloud down in one case by allocating all of the IPs on the lb-mgmt-net | 16:22 |
| rm_work | I think I would feel this way even if you didn't have concrete bugs to point to -- it's just my gut talking | 16:22 |
| johnsom | So, personally I think we should hold on making V2 with jobboard the default one more cycle to work out these issues. | 16:23 |
| ataraday_ | I can say if set v2 as default WITHOUT jobboard there will be still 2 changes to be merged - failover update and healthmotinor fixes | 16:23 |
| johnsom | Yeah, so I kind of like this idea, switching to v2 with jobboard disabled. | 16:23 |
| cgoncalves | +1 | 16:24 |
| johnsom | I don't see any real issues (maybe a few minor things) that would stop that | 16:24 |
| johnsom | In theory we could start the v1 deprecation as well, which really the sooner the better | 16:24 |
| rm_work | hmmm | 16:25 |
| rm_work | if you feel more comfortable with that | 16:25 |
| rm_work | so we'd switch at the end of this cycle (on release) which is... in a couple months? | 16:25 |
| rm_work | need to look up the date again | 16:25 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the issues I see don't happen with jobboard disabled. It's only when we are using the jobboard that things get redispatched and we need to update status. | 16:26 |
| rm_work | yeah i think i could be ok with that | 16:26 |
| cgoncalves | +1. starting deprecation signals on the v1 means not adding new features to it and that is a good thing | 16:26 |
| johnsom | #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html | 16:26 |
| rm_work | the flows need to get tested more... but it's maybe less complexity without jobboard in the loop | 16:26 |
| rm_work | so yes, 2 more months | 16:27 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I would say we land cgoncalves changes, then switch to v2 default and deprecate v1 soon there after. We will be running the new code paths and transitioning to a more "provider driver" like path. | 16:27 |
| rm_work | I think that'll be acceptable | 16:27 |
| johnsom | I will say, currently v2 is *slightly* slower than v1 in that it is making more round trips to the DB. This is some optimization work we still need to complete, but I don't see it as a show stopper. | 16:28 |
| johnsom | Ok, so any concerns with that plan? | 16:28 |
| cgoncalves | should we alias amphora -> amphorav2 too? and create "amphorav1" | 16:28 |
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| johnsom | Next question, are we doing this as an alias change? | 16:29 |
| rm_work | that would be a sane way to do that i think | 16:29 |
| johnsom | lol, yeah, that question | 16:29 |
| rm_work | swaps the default with a path back to explicit v | 16:29 |
| rm_work | *explicit v1 | 16:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I'm thinking amphora becomes amphorav1, amphorav2 stays, amphora points to amphorav2. | 16:30 |
| cgoncalves | +1. ship it! | 16:31 |
| rm_work | +1 | 16:31 |
| rm_work | and now i need to afk for like 10m, br | 16:31 |
| rm_work | *brb | 16:31 |
| ataraday_ | +1 | 16:31 |
| johnsom | Ok, I think we have a plan | 16:31 |
| cgoncalves | you're no fun, folks. everyone's in agreement | 16:32 |
| johnsom | Any other questions or comments on the amphora v2 driver? | 16:32 |
| johnsom | Ok. If anyone has some cycles to help develop solutions to the issues on the etherpad, help is welcome. I think we just need to learn a bit more and create a few fixes. | 16:33 |
| johnsom | I wish Josh was still around, he could probably fix it in a matter of minutes. lol | 16:33 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:34 | |
| johnsom | Any other topics today? | 16:34 |
| johnsom | Is anyone planning a summit presentation? | 16:34 |
| johnsom | I am considering doing a "new features" presentation. We have a bunch of stuff we can introduce and demonstrate | 16:36 |
| cgoncalves | I think a deep-dive on the new features would be nice. I remember it has been presented in past releases and it was well received | 16:36 |
| xgerman | sounds like a workshop :-) | 16:37 |
| cgoncalves | lol, we are in sync :) | 16:37 |
| johnsom | Ok, I may submit something. Let me know if you are interested in co-presenting. | 16:37 |
| cgoncalves | sure, I can join you as co-presenter if no one else is interested | 16:38 |
| johnsom | I have an internal presentation I need to create as well, so I guess I will be engineering-by-slide here soon. lol | 16:39 |
| aannuusshhkkaa | will the metrics be a part of the "new features" if we are able to complete it before the summit? | 16:39 |
| johnsom | Certainly could be. I was planning on things that we have released but not preseneted, but if there is high confidence in there being work complete to present, we should do that! | 16:40 |
| aannuusshhkkaa | yay! thanks!! | 16:41 |
| johnsom | I can help with preparing slides too, so we would collaborate on the content. I usually put them up on google drive for the presenters to work on it together. | 16:42 |
| johnsom | Ok, so think about topics/content and I will bring the topic up again next week. If you want to submit your own presentation that is great as well, just remember I think it is down to a week before the deadline. | 16:43 |
| johnsom | presentation proposal deadline | 16:43 |
| johnsom | #link https://cfp.openstack.org/ | 16:43 |
| johnsom | Ok, one more thing, xgerman would like to have an informal "happy hour" type video chat after the meeting. If you are interested, the link is here: | 16:44 |
| johnsom | #link http://meet.google.com/ita-bmmu-uyw | 16:44 |
| * xgerman approves this message | 16:44 | |
| johnsom | lol | 16:44 |
| johnsom | Since we haven't had an in person chat in a while... | 16:45 |
| johnsom | No worries if you can't make it, no Octavia decisions will be made, just a hang out and chat. | 16:45 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:45 |
| johnsom | Any other topics today? | 16:46 |
| johnsom | Ok, thank you all! | 16:46 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussions for OpenStack Octavia | Priority bug review list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-priority-reviews" | 16:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 16:46:54 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2020/octavia.2020-07-29-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2020/octavia.2020-07-29-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2020/octavia.2020-07-29-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
| rm_work | o/ | 16:47 |
| rm_work | lol | 16:47 |
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| johnsom | rm_work aannuusshhkkaa and stephanie I have commented on teh stats driver interface. It looks good, just a few comments. | 23:33 |
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