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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Fix auto setup Barbican's ACL in the legacy driver. https://review.opendev.org/665681 | 00:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/stein: Fix l7rule API handling of None updates https://review.opendev.org/678550 | 04:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin master: [train][goal] Define new 'octavia-v2-dsvm-noop-api-ipv6-only' job https://review.opendev.org/682726 | 04:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Fix l7rule API handling of None updates https://review.opendev.org/678551 | 04:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 05:07 |
| rm_work | cgoncalves: is this a real test fail? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678557/ | 05:35 |
| rm_work | bad rebase maybe? | 05:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Fix 'additive_only' parameter api-ref https://review.opendev.org/681625 | 05:50 |
| rm_work | ^^ just a rebase to fix a weird zuul state | 05:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 05:52 |
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| rm_work | johnsom: wat, you're still working too? :D | 06:02 |
| rm_work | I just +A'd ... 13 patches >_> | 06:02 |
| rm_work | johnsom: wat are you doing with all those FIXED_IP# vars? trying to debug something? :D | 06:05 |
| rm_work | lol: `Connected to download.fedoraproject.org (2605:bc80:3010:600:dead:beef:cafe:feda) port 443` | 06:07 |
| rm_work | nice IP | 06:07 |
| rm_work | hmm our fedora28 publish is failing because `GET /pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/Cloud/x86_64/images/Fedora-Cloud-Base-28-1.1.x86_64.qcow2` is a 404 | 06:08 |
| rm_work | lol yeah | 06:09 |
| rm_work | https://download-ib01.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/28/README | 06:09 |
| rm_work | gonna fix it | 06:10 |
| rm_work | i assume that's a DIB issue? actually maybe someone already has a patch | 06:13 |
| rm_work | or possibly we should move up to fedora 29 or 30 | 06:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Bump fedora amp version to fedora30 https://review.opendev.org/682800 | 06:17 |
| rm_work | need to decide the best way to test that | 06:17 |
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| cgoncalves | rm_work, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/673173/ | 06:21 |
| rm_work | ah cool k | 06:22 |
| rm_work | didn't notice you did the switch too | 06:22 |
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| rm_work | was just looking at adding a non-voting dsvm but you got that too :D | 06:23 |
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| rm_work | though I wish there was a dash "fedora-30" for my OCD | 06:23 |
| rm_work | because centos7 never has one either but we use it in our format anyway because it's "$DISTRO-$VERSION" | 06:23 |
| cgoncalves | I'd back that change | 06:25 |
| rm_work | but i also don't understand where "octavia-v2-dsvm-py2-scenario-centos-7" comes from | 06:25 |
| rm_work | i mean, I would like to see that added as a nonvoting check | 06:25 |
| cgoncalves | I'd also back that :) | 06:26 |
| rm_work | ahh | 06:26 |
| rm_work | i read that as "back-out" | 06:26 |
| cgoncalves | sorry. bad Engrish | 06:26 |
| rm_work | nah reading comprehension fail | 06:26 |
| cgoncalves | I'd support that change | 06:26 |
| rm_work | ahh it's in tempest-plugin | 06:26 |
| rm_work | so we need to make a patch there to add it | 06:27 |
| cgoncalves | yes | 06:27 |
| rm_work | k | 06:27 |
| rm_work | want to do that, depends-on it, and actually make it official? | 06:27 |
| rm_work | or are you still testing | 06:27 |
| rm_work | timeout is :( | 06:27 |
| cgoncalves | adding a non-voting fedora job may be reasonable. it seeems to be of interest to Jack, Kong and now also you | 06:27 |
| cgoncalves | I was interested about it back a few months when we were preparing RHEL8 | 06:28 |
| rm_work | i mean, if we're publishing an image, we need the test | 06:30 |
| rm_work | i don't care about fedora so much | 06:30 |
| rm_work | i just care about consistency | 06:30 |
| johnsom | Yeah, trying to figure out why something that works local doesn’t work in the job.... | 06:33 |
| johnsom | Classic works for me situation | 06:33 |
| johnsom | Seems the IPv6 environment variable is the issue. | 06:34 |
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| johnsom | Lovely devstack plugin scoping is my guess. | 06:35 |
| johnsom | Fyi, fedora cycles often, so if we add a job we are signing up to update it often | 06:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia master: WIP: Switch Fedora-based amphora to fedora-minimal https://review.opendev.org/673173 | 06:36 |
| rm_work | :/ | 06:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia master: WIP: Switch Fedora-based amphora to fedora-minimal https://review.opendev.org/673173 | 06:36 |
| cgoncalves | good point | 06:37 |
| cgoncalves | we're making good progress merging backport patches. thank you, all! | 06:38 |
| rm_work | so should we remove the publish job we have already? | 06:38 |
| rm_work | :/ | 06:38 |
| johnsom | I think fedora is questionable. I would like to see someone willing to sign up to maintain it and had a need. By design it is experimental. | 06:39 |
| rm_work | Unable to connect to mirror.gra1.ovh.openstack.org:http: | 06:40 |
| rm_work | hmmm | 06:40 |
| rm_work | have we seen issues with their mirrors before? | 06:40 |
| rm_work | johnsom: yeah my point is that we publish a fedora amp image *now*. not sure how it got there -- but we either need to add a test for it or remove that publish job, IMO | 06:41 |
| johnsom | If it is DNS related, infra is tracking an issue | 06:41 |
| rm_work | k | 06:41 |
| cgoncalves | johnsom, agreed. I thought there would be enough interest now in fedora. Jack, Kong and apparently also Adam but turns out that is not exactly the case | 06:41 |
| johnsom | Agreed, I would pull the publish myself | 06:41 |
| rm_work | anyway, doing *nothing* is not a great option | 06:41 |
| rm_work | my interest is in us not publishing untested images :D | 06:41 |
| rm_work | which has the obvious two options i stated above, lol | 06:42 |
| cgoncalves | good PTLing | 06:42 |
| johnsom | rm_work if it was a dns failure, I would flag the job for clark | 06:42 |
| rm_work | johnsom: it's one that's still in gate | 06:42 |
| rm_work | but will fail eventually | 06:42 |
| rm_work | 678549 | 06:42 |
| rm_work | where do you see them tracking an issue? | 06:43 |
| johnsom | IRC. I raised it with them | 06:43 |
| johnsom | We thought it was fixed with a bad router at an provider, but ... | 06:44 |
| johnsom | Wait, we have multi-node voting??? | 06:44 |
| johnsom | I have seen neutron pain on multi-node | 06:44 |
| rm_work | apparently? | 06:45 |
| rm_work | but this is unrelated to neutron? unless you mean that neutron kills all outbound networking or something, which is possible i guess lol | 06:45 |
| johnsom | Oh, v1 multinode | 06:45 |
| rm_work | ahhh yeah this is a stable job | 06:46 |
| rm_work | so v1 and multinode] | 06:46 |
| johnsom | Yeah, multi-node worked before zuul v3 | 06:46 |
| rm_work | <_< | 06:46 |
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| johnsom | Can't help you with that one... | 06:49 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, joy, ok, so ENVIRON in awk doesn't work in the job, but works local. Joy.... | 06:50 |
| johnsom | Something for tomorrow.... | 06:51 |
| johnsom | Probably a side effect of this "oscwrap" thing.... | 06:52 |
| rm_work | weird | 06:52 |
| johnsom | Catch you all tomorrow. | 06:53 |
| rm_work | kk later | 06:53 |
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| rm_work | octavia is really ripping up the nodepool right now, lol | 07:05 |
| rm_work | guess i'll crash and let some finish and check again tomorrow | 07:06 |
| rm_work | cgoncalves: i guess if you see rechecks that need to be done later, that'd be good :D | 07:06 |
| rm_work | i know there's at least a couple | 07:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Fix template that generates vrrp check script https://review.opendev.org/682282 | 07:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/queens: Fix L7 repository create methods https://review.opendev.org/678565 | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Do not run non-voting jobs in gate https://review.opendev.org/682812 | 07:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/stein: elements: add arch property for ``open-vm-tools`` https://review.opendev.org/678537 | 08:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Fix base (VRRP) port abandoned on revert https://review.opendev.org/679153 | 08:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia stable/stein: Fix base (VRRP) port abandoned on revert https://review.opendev.org/682833 | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/stein: Fix catching driver exceptions https://review.opendev.org/681779 | 08:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Work around strptime threading issue https://review.opendev.org/675717 | 08:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Fix 'additive_only' parameter api-ref https://review.opendev.org/681625 | 08:59 |
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| mjozefcz | \o cgoncalves rm_work, are you folks okey with this patch? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672477/ :) | 11:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Convert listener flows to use provider models https://review.opendev.org/660236 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Convert pool flows to use dicts https://review.opendev.org/665381 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Transition member flows to use dicts https://review.opendev.org/657842 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Transition amphora flows to dicts https://review.opendev.org/668898 | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Fix base (VRRP) port abandoned on revert https://review.opendev.org/682836 | 12:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Convert health_monitor flows to use provider models https://review.opendev.org/679779 | 12:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Convert Lb flows to use provider dicts https://review.opendev.org/671725 | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Jobboard based controller https://review.opendev.org/647406 | 12:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/queens: Fix template that generates vrrp check script https://review.opendev.org/682283 | 13:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Do not run non-voting jobs in gate https://review.opendev.org/682812 | 13:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/stein: Enabling SG customization on loadbalancer listerners https://review.opendev.org/648069 | 13:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: Use retry for AmphoraComputeConnectivityWait https://review.opendev.org/662791 | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/stein: Fix cleanup of expired load balancer entries https://review.opendev.org/682930 | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia master: Enable full MAC security by default https://review.opendev.org/682932 | 15:45 |
| cgoncalves | lets see how it goes | 15:45 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | rm_work Meeting time.... | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 16:02:55 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 16:03 |
| cgoncalves | hi | 16:03 |
| ataraday_ | hi | 16:03 |
| ajay33 | Hi | 16:03 |
| johnsom | I guess our PTL is MIA today. lol | 16:03 |
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| gthiemonge | hi | 16:03 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:03 | |
| johnsom | We are in feature freeze. Please do not merge any feature patches. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Thank you to everyone that helped us get those last few features merged after all of the infra and requirements issues we faced. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | If you didn't follow the issues, a few weeks before feature freeze Ubuntu released a kernel that paniced if you had a NAT rule (floating IP) and sent a fragmented packet through it. This caused our tempest jobs to fail with "RETRY_LIMIT". | 16:05 |
| johnsom | This was fixed in the -62 kernel release. | 16:05 |
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| johnsom | Then requirements had bumped configparser to 4.x.x, but the author pulled the package from pypi after the global-requirements update went out. | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | This also broke our jobs. | 16:06 |
| cgoncalves | thank YOU for the hours put troubleshooting it, and syncing with infra and other teams | 16:06 |
| johnsom | Just glad we got it fixed in time for feature freeze | 16:07 |
| johnsom | RC1 and stable/train branches are next week. | 16:07 |
| johnsom | Next week is RC1 week. We should try to have all of our bug fixes in for that. | 16:07 |
| johnsom | I will not be available to do the release. rm_work or cgoncalves will need to take point on that. | 16:08 |
| johnsom | I can create a stub release patch if you would like. | 16:08 |
| cgoncalves | any help is welcome :) | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Finally, as I hinted at above. I will not be available for the next two weeks. | 16:09 |
| cgoncalves | I will coordinate with our PTL during your absence | 16:09 |
| johnsom | Ok, I will put up a stub patch (no commit strings) and mark it WIP. Then send you two the link. | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements this week? | 16:10 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:10 | |
| johnsom | I have posted patches for the PDF docs Train goal. All of them are in pretty good shape except for the Octavia docs. | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Three sections are "missing" from the PDF version. I'm not sure why. I have added it to the "PDF Docs" trouble sheet hoping for some help. | 16:12 |
| johnsom | The latex seems to have the content, just the latex->pdf process drops them. | 16:12 |
| gthiemonge | FYI I added https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682365/ to the review list | 16:12 |
| johnsom | I think the patches are good enough to merge and then we can bug fix from there. | 16:12 |
| ataraday_ | I would like to ask review for | 16:12 |
| ataraday_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681195/ | 16:12 |
| johnsom | I have also picked up the IPv6 goal work. It is almost done, just some devstack plugin strangeness to figure out. Hope to have that done today. | 16:13 |
| ataraday_ | And hit this bug | 16:13 |
| ataraday_ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2006560 | 16:13 |
| ataraday_ | but didn't come with anything on it yet | 16:13 |
| johnsom | To finish out my week I may try to improve an error message when the user gives us a pass phrase protected pkcs12 bundle. | 16:15 |
| johnsom | We have seen a few folks get confused by that as barbican does not accept a pass phrase for pkcs12 "secrets". | 16:16 |
| redrobot | đź‘€ | 16:16 |
| colin- | have been continuing to test haproxy2.0 with octavia and rm_work's single-process patch. looking good so far and haven't encountered any major issues now that my amp image has the components i wanted (thanks again johnsom) | 16:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Fix base (VRRP) port abandoned on revert https://review.opendev.org/682836 | 16:17 |
| johnsom | redrobot Hi. Just mentioning we need to give a better error message when users upload a pkcs12 to barbican that is pass phrase protected. | 16:17 |
| johnsom | redrobot Since secrets don't have a pass phrase parameter.... Which, would kind of be pointless. | 16:17 |
| cgoncalves | colin-, there's an open issue with the single-process. ataraday_ has a patch for it up for review | 16:18 |
| cgoncalves | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/681195/ | 16:18 |
| colin- | ah i hadn't done one with multiple https listeners but glad we found it arleady and thanks to ataraday_ | 16:19 |
| johnsom | Any other updates today? | 16:20 |
| cgoncalves | with my stable liaison hat on, I proposed a handful of backport patches. they have been merging rather quick. thank you all for your reviews! | 16:21 |
| johnsom | Please focus on getting the bug fixes merged for the RC1. | 16:21 |
| johnsom | We should also strive to get our tempest patches merged. We will want to tag a tempest version at the same time. | 16:21 |
| cgoncalves | yep | 16:22 |
| johnsom | That bug fix above is a good example of a patch we really want in.... | 16:22 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:22 | |
| johnsom | Other topics for today? | 16:22 |
| cgoncalves | I have one | 16:23 |
| cgoncalves | I put up for review a patch that enables full MAC security by default | 16:23 |
| cgoncalves | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682932/ | 16:23 |
| johnsom | Go for it | 16:23 |
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| johnsom | Does that include apparmor or only selinux? | 16:23 |
| cgoncalves | thus far we have been setting systems to permissive (RHEL, CentOS, Fedora) | 16:24 |
| cgoncalves | only SELinux as that is the only place right now we enable/disable | 16:24 |
| johnsom | We should probably make this generic enough to work for either platform | 16:25 |
| cgoncalves | we can consider including apparmor, sure | 16:25 |
| cgoncalves | I'd like to know if this is something folks are positive about or not | 16:25 |
| johnsom | I think our friends at Canonical have the apparmor rules, though we may not have them here. | 16:26 |
| cgoncalves | production clouds usually have selinux/apparmor enabled, so we would be testing code closer to such envs | 16:26 |
| johnsom | I think it is a great idea. | 16:26 |
| cgoncalves | colin-, would you have some thoughts? :) | 16:27 |
| cgoncalves | or just don't care | 16:27 |
| cgoncalves | (valid response anyway) | 16:28 |
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| cgoncalves | hmm, ok. if there's any feedback please feel free to share it at a later time here on the channel or Gerrit | 16:29 |
| cgoncalves | apparmor is in the package install linux. would someone know what is the default setting (permissive/enforcing)? | 16:31 |
| cgoncalves | s/linux/list/ | 16:31 |
| johnsom | I think by default in DIB it's permissive/audit | 16:31 |
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| johnsom | Other topics today? | 16:34 |
| johnsom | Ok, thanks everyone! | 16:35 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussions for OpenStack Octavia | Priority bug review list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-priority-reviews" | 16:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 16:35:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-09-18-16.02.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-09-18-16.02.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-09-18-16.02.log.html | 16:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/stein: Work around strptime threading issue https://review.opendev.org/682949 | 17:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/rocky: Work around strptime threading issue https://review.opendev.org/682950 | 17:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia stable/queens: Work around strptime threading issue https://review.opendev.org/682951 | 17:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 17:36 |
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| rm_work | Ugh yeah sorry lost track of what day it was and stayed up way too late shepherding those patches last night lol | 18:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 18:35 |
| johnsom | Great, now this ipv6 stuff is failing in a new way this morning. | 18:35 |
| johnsom | More logging! lol | 18:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Validate server_certs_key_passphrase is 32 chars https://review.opendev.org/670735 | 18:49 |
| cgoncalves | johnsom, on the positive side, you can add "data analytic expert" to your resume | 18:56 |
| johnsom | Lol, that was a previous job.... I'm still looking for the country of "Europe" that kept showing up in those old data sets.... grin | 18:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Validate server_certs_key_passphrase is 32 chars https://review.opendev.org/670735 | 19:00 |
| rm_work | ^^ could use re +2 | 19:00 |
| rm_work | had to fix a pep8 issue from the new rules | 19:00 |
| cgoncalves | johnsom, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh1zXFKC_o | 19:02 |
| cgoncalves | rm_work, I'll approve once it passes pep8 | 19:03 |
| rm_work | No faith! :P | 19:03 |
| cgoncalves | were you monitoring the job when it entered the gate? | 19:04 |
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| rm_work | yes | 19:07 |
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| rm_work | i am basically constantly monitoring stuff in the gates :D | 19:07 |
| rm_work | i am CRAAAAAZY impatient, lol | 19:08 |
| rm_work | i basically stared at gates last night for 3 hours | 19:08 |
| rm_work | >_< | 19:08 |
| rm_work | and watched training videos T_T | 19:09 |
| rm_work | which i am still doing | 19:09 |
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| johnsom | Me too, staring at gate jobs way more than is healthy | 19:17 |
| johnsom | Joy, so for whatever reason the awk ENVIRON works great locally, but doesn't work at all in the job..... Well, I can work around that. | 19:21 |
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| zigo | johnsom: I'd like to say thank you for your yesterday's advice, now Octavia works so much better. | 19:26 |
| zigo | I just had to failover all the lbs that were in production. | 19:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 19:27 |
| zigo | It's now in my installer ... | 19:27 |
| zigo | https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/debian/openstack-cluster-installer/commit/a9101e4b753fba2728925c6ea237a836a5073471 | 19:27 |
| zigo | :) | 19:27 |
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| johnsom | zigo Awesome! BTW, Stein forward you can use the Amphora config update and not need to failover: https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/load-balancer/v2/index.html#configure-amphora | 19:28 |
| zigo | johnsom: Our production is still running Rocky ... | 19:29 |
| johnsom | Something to look forward to then.... grin | 19:29 |
| zigo | I'll probably update it strait with stretch-rocky -> buster-rocky -> buster-stein -> buster-train when train is released. | 19:29 |
| zigo | johnsom: I'm also planning on having official OpenStack Debian images including an amphora image. | 19:30 |
| zigo | FYI, I did my own type of image, without using DIB. | 19:30 |
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| johnsom | Right, I remember. If those are public, send me a link so I can have it to share if someone asks | 19:31 |
| zigo | johnsom: It's there: https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/debian/openstack-debian-images/tree/debian/train/contrib/octavia | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/queens: Add warning log if auth_strategy is not keystone https://review.opendev.org/678549 | 19:32 |
| zigo | Though it's included in openstack-debian-images, directly in Debian. | 19:32 |
| zigo | The Sid version only (in Buster, last february, it didn't work yet) | 19:33 |
| johnsom | Ok, bookmarked | 19:33 |
| johnsom | Ugh, chrome memory leaks... One window, three tabs (irccloud, etherpad, gmail), was using 4+GB RAM | 19:40 |
| cgoncalves | I found this week Firefox renders large log files from CI so much faster than Chrome | 19:45 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I have noticed chrome to be slow. I should try firefox | 19:45 |
| johnsom | FYI: would be good to get reviews on: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682148/ | 19:46 |
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| johnsom | FYI In case anyone is interested: https://www.haproxyconf.com/agenda/ | 19:52 |
| johnsom | I have a conflict so will not be attending. | 19:52 |
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| rm_work | zigo: just remember that if you opt not to use DIB, you will need to keep up with changes that are made (for example, I have some significant and essential image building changes in my multi-vip patch) because we only commit to updating our DIB elements | 19:58 |
| rm_work | zigo: I know we've stressed to you how much we think that you should use DIB, but at this point I assume your mind is made up and further prodding is counter-productive -- so I just want to make sure you're aware that things might break suddenly, and if so I guess you can ask here and we can try to remember which patches you should look at :D | 19:59 |
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| zigo | rm_work: Thanks for the reminder ! | 20:01 |
| zigo | rm_work: I told you the problem about DIB and stuff, using pip install. | 20:01 |
| zigo | That's simply not acceptable from the Debian point of view. | 20:01 |
| rm_work | zigo: I believe we told you that it's totally possible to use binaries (in fact RHEL elements are configured to do this) | 20:01 |
| zigo | We *must* use stuff in Debian, not taken from a random curl | bash thing. | 20:01 |
| zigo | That's what pip does from our point of view. | 20:01 |
| zigo | Right. | 20:02 |
| rm_work | you could simply update the elements for us to give a binary-debian option similar to the binary-rhel option :D | 20:02 |
| rm_work | which is a much better tactic IMO | 20:02 |
| rm_work | I can even help you with that if you'd like | 20:02 |
| rm_work | there's no reason to say that installs MUST use pip -- that is completely untrue | 20:02 |
| zigo | The issue is, the Debian image will soon be done with FAI (fully automated install) because we want things to be the same for all clouds (ie: aws, gce, azure, etc.), and therefore, I wont even have a say. | 20:03 |
| zigo | I expect to work on this on the next Debian cloud sprint. | 20:03 |
| rm_work | simply add a section for debian here: https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/diskimage-create/diskimage-create.sh#L361-L362 | 20:03 |
| zigo | (in Boston, at the MIT) | 20:03 |
| rm_work | zigo: who WOULD have a say? We'd love to talk to them in that case | 20:04 |
| zigo | No-one will have a say, we decided to base all our images on FAI and unify everything... | 20:04 |
| zigo | I would have loved if we decided to use DIB rather than FAI. | 20:05 |
| zigo | Though it's too late to revert that decision. | 20:05 |
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| rm_work | I feel like in general it's never too late to have a discussion and possibly make exceptions -- whether that's by officially defining an exception (which I agree might be difficult) or just by reclassifying what exactly an amphora image is and what restrictions must be applied to it | 20:06 |
| rm_work | I feel like it should be beyond scope to redefine build procedures for external ecosystems | 20:07 |
| rm_work | especially when they have their own clearly defined standard already, and that is directly related to real code work | 20:08 |
| rm_work | you will literally be signing up the debian openstack maintenance team (ie, YOU) to do additional coding work *for an external project* | 20:08 |
| zigo | For FAI ? | 20:08 |
| zigo | I don't plan to work on that, no. | 20:09 |
| rm_work | And I know you view this as non-negotiable but I wonder if others do as well | 20:09 |
| rm_work | Well, someone will need to, or it will continuously break | 20:09 |
| rm_work | who is going to sign up for that? | 20:09 |
| zigo | The FAI thing has been maintained by Thomas Lange for over 10 years. | 20:09 |
| rm_work | right but someone will have to maintain the Octavia build system for FAI | 20:10 |
| zigo | I don't think he'll give up. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | not just FAI itself | 20:10 |
| rm_work | and not just FAI for "debian" | 20:10 |
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| zigo | Right. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | I'd like to hear from him that he is willing to sign up for this, being fully informed about what that means and what the alternatives are | 20:11 |
| zigo | And we want to do that, because we want one single thing to build images, so we can tell that all our images are the same, using the same standards, etc. | 20:11 |
| zigo | This really makes sense, you know. | 20:11 |
| zigo | So that Debian users can expect the same thing whatever the cloud they are in. | 20:11 |
| zigo | Well, he's not, I guess that's on me. | 20:11 |
| rm_work | I agree that you think it makes sense. :D | 20:11 |
| rm_work | If you use DIB for octavia-amp images, then you CAN guarantee users can expect the same thing from whatever cloud they're in | 20:12 |
| rm_work | and not just debian clouds -- ALL clouds that use octavia | 20:12 |
| rm_work | I agree with you about pip installs for debian images BTW -- I would love if you or someone would make the binary stuff be the default for debian | 20:13 |
| zigo | You don't get it, I think. | 20:13 |
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| zigo | We're talking about the same image, supported officially by cloud vendors. | 20:14 |
| zigo | Like, AWS, GCE and Azure will all promote the Debian official image we'll provide for them. | 20:14 |
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| zigo | Well, not the exact same image, but as close as possible. | 20:15 |
| rm_work | so if you provide them the one built with DIB... how do you think it would suddenly be different across those clouds, if you provide the same image? | 20:15 |
| zigo | It works with some kind of templating. | 20:15 |
| zigo | For lots of reasons, because of the way each tool is building stuff. | 20:16 |
| zigo | Because each has its own preference. | 20:16 |
| rm_work | what you WILL do is make the experience inconsistent in those clouds between debian and everything else (I assume it's still possible for users to choose a rhel or ubuntu environment) | 20:16 |
| zigo | For example, if we decide to add GNU screen to the image, then it's going to be added everywhere. | 20:16 |
| rm_work | yes, but if you build with DIB... and then release that image... the image won't suddenly mutate when AWS downloads it and GCE downloads it | 20:17 |
| zigo | Let's say we decide to switch from nano as the default editor to vim, same ... | 20:17 |
| rm_work | right, so add that to the DIB build scripts for debian | 20:17 |
| zigo | We change one line, all image change. | 20:17 |
| rm_work | right, and if you then rebuild with DIB, we use the official debian cloud image base, so we'd get that change | 20:17 |
| rm_work | I don't see the issue? | 20:17 |
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| zigo | So, basically, what you're proposing is *MORE* work, as I'd have to follow each and every change made with the FAI image so that the DIB one matches... | 20:18 |
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| rm_work | or if it's specific to octavia-amps, then you could just make that change in the DIB elements for debian, and bam, every image has the change | 20:18 |
| rm_work | err, no? | 20:18 |
| zigo | Well, yes ! :) | 20:18 |
| rm_work | we don't bootstrap from 0 | 20:18 |
| rm_work | we use the FAI built image as a base | 20:18 |
| rm_work | so anything you changed there will automatically be represented in our image | 20:18 |
| zigo | As much as I know, DIB does everything from zero, using debootstrap. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | DIB is really just an overlay on a base | 20:19 |
| rm_work | that is absolutely wrong | 20:19 |
| rm_work | you can choose | 20:19 |
| zigo | That's how I built my first amphora. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | we do all of our images starting from a base cloud image | 20:19 |
| rm_work | then you chose a strange way to do it :D | 20:19 |
| zigo | :) | 20:19 |
| rm_work | if you look at how all of our current images are built, we define which base image to use | 20:19 |
| zigo | Ok. | 20:20 |
| rm_work | which in the debian case would be the output from your base FAI cloud image build | 20:20 |
| rm_work | and then we overlay with our elements (add package A, remove package B) | 20:20 |
| rm_work | that's all | 20:20 |
| rm_work | so the workflow of: start with debian-official FAI built cloud image -> add appropriate packages via apt-install-binaries -> finalize image | 20:21 |
| rm_work | is what you'd want to do for our DIB build | 20:21 |
| rm_work | it's what I would have recommended *regardless* | 20:21 |
| rm_work | and is what our elements are already set up to do | 20:21 |
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| zigo | rm_work: Have you seen that, in Debian, I just have an octavia-agent that I just install? | 20:22 |
| zigo | That's kind of nice, no? | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Not to derail this discussion, but we are now using a debootstrap method to get the image sizes down. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | johnsom: well, we don't need to -- and we'd just match what he is doing already by not doing that | 20:23 |
| rm_work | i'd recommend starting with `debian-minimal` | 20:23 |
| rm_work | ah hmm, no, debian-minimal does use debootstrap | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Yeah, usually the minimal elements are build it up using debootstrap. | 20:23 |
| rm_work | then we'd just need a debian-cloudimage element or something | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Then, centos for example installs the Octavia RPMs... | 20:24 |
| rm_work | but that's entirely doable -- that's how ubuntu/rhel/etc work | 20:24 |
| rm_work | or did work until johnsom started hacking at them :D | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Yeah, image based is pretty straight forward | 20:24 |
| rm_work | so I'd propose a debian-cloudimage element that mirrors how either fedora or centos work | 20:25 |
| rm_work | and then adding the necessary bits for a binary install to work on debian | 20:26 |
| rm_work | which I can probably do, I'm very familiar with debian as well (I practically started my linux journey with it) | 20:26 |
| rm_work | let me check first to see if there is already an element somewhere for debian-image-based builds | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Yeah, it would just be a "debian" element that pulls in the image. then the pkg map would map the octavia repo bits to the debian packages. | 20:28 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:28 |
| johnsom | I know it works because Helion was debian pkg based | 20:28 |
| rm_work | which leads to a consistent build that is based on exactly the official FAI images | 20:28 |
| johnsom | We used DIB | 20:28 |
| zigo | rm_work: At this point, I'd have to modify Rocky's Octavia in Buster to make the octavia-agent pacakge work. | 20:28 |
| zigo | Which I didn't have the time to work on yet ... :( | 20:28 |
| rm_work | zigo: yeah, i'm just saying moving forward this would be the ideal | 20:28 |
| zigo | (ie: only the stein Octavia package works well enough...) | 20:28 |
| rm_work | I would leave rocky as is | 20:28 |
| rm_work | because the real issue is with new patches that change how the image builds, and we don't usually backport those anyway | 20:29 |
| rm_work | so whatever you have for rocky should continue to function fine | 20:29 |
| rm_work | just moving forward, it would be good to look at this method instead | 20:29 |
| rm_work | I *will* commit to helping with this | 20:29 |
| zigo | The issue is, if we want to provide a Debian *STABLE* image, then the work must be done on Rocky (because that's what Buster has...). | 20:30 |
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| rm_work | we can get it working with current stuff, and then we can look at backporting | 20:30 |
| zigo | That's perfectly fine otherwise, to build a Debian testing weekly image based on whatever's in current testing though. | 20:30 |
| rm_work | I don't see a problem with backporting an additional new build method | 20:30 |
| zigo | Well, *I* must do the work on updating the Octavia package in Buster. | 20:30 |
| zigo | :/ | 20:30 |
| zigo | (I mean, backporting my fixes) | 20:31 |
| rm_work | and yes, that allows us to easily test debian in our gate, in scenarios, with official debian images/packages | 20:31 |
| zigo | You could already do that with the unofficial Buster backports repo. | 20:31 |
| rm_work | our gate tests need to have the *option* of building the amp using agent-from-git | 20:32 |
| rm_work | otherwise they can't test properly | 20:32 |
| zigo | Right. | 20:32 |
| rm_work | but it would test with the rest of the official ecosystem | 20:32 |
| rm_work | which would be much closer to your images | 20:33 |
| rm_work | I'd just like to get these couple of things done, and then take another look and see if it's closer to something you'd be willing to work with | 20:33 |
| zigo | I guess I could try to figure out something. | 20:33 |
| zigo | This would be after the cloud sprint in Boston then. | 20:34 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:34 |
| rm_work | I'll see if I can get time to do some of the prep work before that so when you're ready we'll be closer | 20:34 |
| cgoncalves | Ugh, parsing feedback from the user survey spreadsheet is a nightmare | 20:36 |
| johnsom | Hey, nice. Is this the first time they sent this out public? I don't think I have ever seen one | 20:38 |
| rm_work | err is this actually necessary? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682148/ | 20:38 |
| rm_work | wouldn't we have noticed before that it needs that to work? | 20:38 |
| johnsom | So, this confused me too.... It's not necessary for the job to run in the Octavia repo, but it is if we run it in the octavia-lib repo. We didn't see it because we had a Depends-On for the octavia-lib merge | 20:39 |
| johnsom | rm_work https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682120/ | 20:40 |
| rm_work | ah >_< | 20:40 |
| rm_work | got it | 20:40 |
| johnsom | I had to phone a friend in infra to figure out what was going on | 20:40 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:40 |
| rm_work | +A | 20:40 |
| rm_work | did you want to try to get this in? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/580778/ | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Not critical | 20:41 |
| cgoncalves | I think our bot reviewers haven't noticed yet they have been voting on backport-candidate label instead of code-review xD | 20:41 |
| rm_work | lol yep | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we were just commenting on that the other day | 20:42 |
| rm_work | I suggested we add another field and sort it to the top | 20:42 |
| rm_work | that is a bot-detector | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Bot backporting the release bot patch.... | 20:42 |
| cgoncalves | alpha sorting | 20:42 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:42 |
| rm_work | aIMABot | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Maybe we can get the bots into a loop? | 20:42 |
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| johnsom | Umm: | 20:43 |
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| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6JBokLHG/ | 20:44 |
| johnsom | Either the survey got messed up or the report. | 20:44 |
| rm_work | hmmm | 20:44 |
| rm_work | wait where are you looking? where's the survey results? | 20:44 |
| johnsom | openstack-discuss list | 20:45 |
| cgoncalves | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009501.html | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I think the csv has some bugs. I see nova columns shifted all over the place | 20:45 |
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| johnsom | I might play with this later and create an Octavia specific report with cleaned up data. | 20:49 |
| johnsom | cgoncalves See, there is probably a country of Europe in here somewhere..... | 20:49 |
| cgoncalves | lol | 20:53 |
| cgoncalves | it looks like active-active is the #1 most wanted feature | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Not a huge surprise there | 20:54 |
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| cgoncalves | 67 active-active | 20:56 |
| cgoncalves | 28 container-based amphora driver | 20:57 |
| cgoncalves | 21 VIP ACL | 20:57 |
| cgoncalves | 30 Simultaneous IPv4 and IPv6 VIP | 20:57 |
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| cgoncalves | 32 Log offloading | 20:57 |
| cgoncalves | 36 Statistics (more metrics) | 20:58 |
| cgoncalves | 33 HTTP/2 protocol | 20:59 |
| rm_work | it's our highest priority at VZM | 20:59 |
| cgoncalves | HTTP/2? | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the new HTTP version. HAProxy 2.0 supports it | 21:00 |
| johnsom | Though it's still stablizing IMO | 21:00 |
| cgoncalves | 21 OVN (provider driver). surprising to me | 21:00 |
| johnsom | Me too | 21:00 |
| rm_work | I mean Active-Active | 21:00 |
| johnsom | So 21 Red Hat employees filled out the survey? | 21:01 |
| cgoncalves | FWIW, I didn't fill it :) | 21:02 |
| cgoncalves | 52 HAProxy Technologies. do you think folks think amphora==HAProxy Technologies? | 21:04 |
| johnsom | Or the old HAProxy driver | 21:05 |
| johnsom | But maybe they want an official HAProxy Technologies driver.... | 21:05 |
| cgoncalves | or are stuck in the neutron-lbaas era and don't know about the amphora driver | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia stable/stein: Fix base (VRRP) port abandoned on revert https://review.opendev.org/682833 | 21:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 21:13 |
| johnsom | This is killing me. So simple yet no-worky | 21:14 |
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| rm_work | >_< | 22:07 |
| rm_work | i can maybe look | 22:08 |
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| rm_work | need to get my devstack back up and running lol | 22:21 |
| rm_work | really? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/679358/ failed AGAIN in the gate? T_T | 22:31 |
| rm_work | something died in DIB but i don't see the dib log | 22:33 |
| rm_work | nm found it | 22:34 |
| rm_work | wat | 22:34 |
| rm_work | E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release | 22:34 |
| rm_work | https://52df86e50fd53575865f-ba41f76c71830a91780de57d2c593811.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/679358/2/gate/octavia-grenade/ef029d4/logs/dib-build/amphora-x64-haproxy.qcow2.log | 22:34 |
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| johnsom | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f7o9nh51/2019%20OpenStack%20User%20Survey.pdf | 23:47 |
| johnsom | Some quick and dirty charting | 23:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Allow IPv6 health network in devstack https://review.opendev.org/665103 | 23:55 |
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