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| openstackgerrit | Erik Olof Gunnar Andersson proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Testing performance improvement on non-udp health checks https://review.opendev.org/657756 | 08:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erik Olof Gunnar Andersson proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Testing performance improvement on non-udp health checks https://review.opendev.org/657756 | 08:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin master: Add a scenario test for spare pool https://review.opendev.org/634988 | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Jobboard based controller https://review.opendev.org/647406 | 11:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP]Transition load balancer flows DB objects to dicts https://review.opendev.org/657569 | 12:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin master: Add TLS Barbican jobs against stable branches https://review.opendev.org/656989 | 13:52 |
| cgoncalves | phew, ^ only took 5 rechecks | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia-lib master: Add python 3.7 testing https://review.opendev.org/652675 | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Ann Taraday proposed openstack/octavia master: [WIP] Transition member flows to use dicts https://review.opendev.org/657842 | 15:31 |
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| rm_work | meeting in 5 minutes! | 15:56 |
| rm_work | #startmeeting Octavia | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 8 16:00:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rm_work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| cgoncalves | hello | 16:00 |
| rm_work | hey! | 16:00 |
| johnsom | Ha, I forgot. That is a nice feeling | 16:00 |
| rm_work | welcome back ya'll | 16:00 |
| rm_work | yeah i'm about to pass out though so uhh... hopefully i make it through the whole thing | 16:01 |
| johnsom | FYI, I have an agenda item today. | 16:01 |
| rm_work | k | 16:01 |
| rm_work | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:01 | |
| rm_work | I don't have anything today really... | 16:02 |
| rm_work | But, the PTG was good, lots of stuff covered | 16:02 |
| johnsom | There is an e-mail thread about some stable branch requirements version changes coming | 16:02 |
| eandersson | johnsom, can you update your stresstest tool :p | 16:02 |
| colin- | good morning | 16:02 |
| colin- | or evening | 16:03 |
| johnsom | eandersson Almost done | 16:03 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005956.html | 16:03 |
| ataraday_ | hello | 16:03 |
| johnsom | That might break things, so if you see requiests/urllib issues on the stable branch you know why. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Otherwise, yes, the PTG was great. If you couldn't join us, check out the notes on the etherpad. | 16:04 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-train-ptg | 16:04 |
| rm_work | any other announcements? | 16:05 |
| johnsom | I also spent time yesterday fighting storyboard to open RFE's and update stories based on our discussions. | 16:05 |
| johnsom | That is all I can think of. | 16:06 |
| rm_work | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:06 | |
| rm_work | well, some of that is probably this ^^ | 16:06 |
| johnsom | True | 16:07 |
| johnsom | I have mostly been catching up since the Summit/PTG. | 16:07 |
| rm_work | I made some progress on multi-vip, but ran into a schema issue i was hoping i'd be able to avoid, so will need to do a lot more work on that... putting it on hold for a week or so to get some internal stuff done to unblock some other folks | 16:07 |
| johnsom | I opened the stories (4 out of 5 storyboard gave 500's), etc. | 16:07 |
| rm_work | I do have one change I'm about to push up, which is to make the amp/worker communication use TLSv1.2 instead of SSLv2/3 | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Backward compat I assume? | 16:08 |
| rm_work | because SSLv2/3 is really broken, and it was brought to my attention that we're still using that, by our internal security team | 16:08 |
| rm_work | it's a change on the amp side | 16:08 |
| rm_work | so it'll just work | 16:08 |
| colin- | nice, glad to hear that | 16:09 |
| johnsom | Hmmm, I would have thought it would be on the controller side to be compatible.... | 16:09 |
| rm_work | maybe can do it on both sides, and then yes | 16:09 |
| colin- | thanks for doing that | 16:09 |
| ataraday_ | I split PoC for jobboard, and looked at transition flows DB objects to dicts a bit more | 16:09 |
| rm_work | because they all SUPPORT it, just need to force it | 16:09 |
| johnsom | I.e. ask for TLSv1.2 on the initiation | 16:09 |
| rm_work | yes | 16:10 |
| rm_work | will submit that patch today later | 16:10 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ Awesome, you probably saw that I broke out the tasks as we discussed at the PTG. | 16:10 |
| cgoncalves | we've also seen one customer disabling SSLv3 and TLS 10 ciphers in listeners | 16:10 |
| ataraday_ | johnsom, yes, thanks! I already linked the changes to proper tasks | 16:11 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ Do you need me to do an example patch of what I'm talking about with the provider dictionaries? | 16:11 |
| cgoncalves | sorry, I meant to write TLS 1.0 | 16:11 |
| johnsom | cgoncalves Yeah, letting users pick ciphers and protocols was on my "wish I had time to implement" list. I have a plan, but no time right now. | 16:11 |
| ataraday_ | johnsom, if you have time for this this would be nice | 16:12 |
| johnsom | I have some internal paperwork to do this week, but hope to get back to fixing the unsets "soonish" | 16:13 |
| johnsom | ataraday_ Ok, sounds like it is not a blocker for you, so I will probably work on that early next week. | 16:13 |
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| eandersson | johnsom, I don't see ver in Rocky https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/stable/rocky/octavia/amphorae/backends/health_daemon/health_daemon.py#L118 | 16:14 |
| ataraday_ | johnsom, yes, I will be off for Thuesday and Friday anyway :) | 16:14 |
| johnsom | eandersson I think I just messaged you that. | 16:14 |
| cgoncalves | ataraday_, I very, very quickly checked your patches. a question I have is if you want zookeeper to be the default or redis. I recall we discussed about going for redis as default and to add support for it in our devstack plugin | 16:15 |
| eandersson | I just moved from home to the office so I might have missed the message. | 16:15 |
| eandersson | *that | 16:15 |
| johnsom | eandersson https://github.com/openstack/octavia/commit/2170cc6c459b7ae8461a09a0b6fd754ecef9654e | 16:15 |
| eandersson | Can we back port that one to Rocky? | 16:15 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we decided to do Redis in the interim | 16:15 |
| ataraday_ | cgoncalves, we agreed on redis | 16:15 |
| johnsom | eandersson No, I don't think so, it changes the protocol so.... This is why there is the backward compatibility in the controller side. | 16:16 |
| cgoncalves | ataraday_, right. I asked because I saw zookeeper as default in your patch | 16:16 |
| eandersson | I see - we need to update to Stein because the performance hit is pretty large there. | 16:17 |
| ataraday_ | yeah, I used it to try things out, now will swith on redis | 16:17 |
| johnsom | eandersson Yeah, is it enough to improve that backwards compat code in Rocky? What I saw you had was .2 seconds per heartbeat instead of .006 | 16:17 |
| cgoncalves | ok, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. thanks! | 16:18 |
| johnsom | eandersson I will make the stress tool configurable for versioned or not. | 16:18 |
| rm_work | i advised that we could probably intelligently skip that code path in most cases | 16:18 |
| rm_work | which i think would be fine? | 16:18 |
| rm_work | though i think you also proposed a patch to improve the speed by skipping the db refresh, not sure if that is a problem or not | 16:19 |
| johnsom | Yeah, it gets skipped in Stein forward. It was just Rocky that had UDP and amphora agents that didn't send the version. | 16:19 |
| rm_work | right but even in rocky | 16:19 |
| rm_work | you can skip that code path if the db_lb has no UDP listeners on it | 16:19 |
| rm_work | right? | 16:19 |
| johnsom | What little I recall, it does, but maybe not?... | 16:20 |
| rm_work | didn't look like it | 16:20 |
| rm_work | and the code has the right info already | 16:20 |
| rm_work | would just be a quick loop&check which is super fast compared to the guaranteed DB pull | 16:20 |
| colin- | certainly sounds preferrable | 16:21 |
| rm_work | ok well we're beyond quick updates, should we make this a topic> | 16:21 |
| rm_work | ? | 16:21 |
| * xgerman lurking | 16:21 | |
| eandersson | It's up to you guys. I can probably keep a patch internally or maybe look at updating to Stein. | 16:22 |
| rm_work | or should we move on, I think this just needs to be fixed... maybe I can do it today if eandersson doesn't do it in the next 10 minutes :D | 16:22 |
| eandersson | rm_work, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657756/ | 16:22 |
| rm_work | yeah i saw you did that one, but not sure if that causes issues or not | 16:23 |
| rm_work | was hoping johnsom would review | 16:23 |
| johnsom | So it is loop that skips non-UDP listeners | 16:23 |
| rm_work | which he did | 16:23 |
| rm_work | johnsom: yeah but the issue is that *triggering the loop* is the expensive part | 16:24 |
| rm_work | the lb_repol.get | 16:24 |
| johnsom | Yeah, it's probably the DB round trips for the listeners | 16:24 |
| rm_work | yes | 16:24 |
| rm_work | so could skip before that, or do what eandersson did | 16:24 |
| johnsom | But, again, I'm just curious is .2 seconds is a problem.... | 16:25 |
| rm_work | well it's an order of magnitude time increase | 16:25 |
| rm_work | so | 16:25 |
| rm_work | that's not ideal | 16:25 |
| rm_work | 0.006 -> 0.2? two orders? lol | 16:25 |
| colin- | and that's exacerbated by load | 16:26 |
| rm_work | and more DB load | 16:26 |
| rm_work | so yes i would say it could definitely be a problem | 16:26 |
| johnsom | Yeah, otherwise, we need to do what was proposed, update the query to include the protocol. (please only in Rocky as it's a waste on Stein forward). | 16:26 |
| rm_work | ah it's the special get, so i guess not | 16:27 |
| rm_work | what was your topic johnsom ? | 16:29 |
| johnsom | User survey | 16:30 |
| rm_work | #topic User survey | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User survey (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:30 | |
| johnsom | So, for yet another year the foundation ignored us and did not ask us if we wanted a question on the user survey. | 16:30 |
| johnsom | They only went to the "represented" projects (grumble, the privileged ones evidently). | 16:32 |
| rm_work | don't we know multiple people on the TC? do they not have any say int his either? | 16:32 |
| johnsom | So I raised the issue on the mailing list | 16:32 |
| colin- | saw that heh | 16:32 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005959.html | 16:32 |
| johnsom | Yeah, this is good feedback for mugsie etc. | 16:32 |
| johnsom | This is literally the fourth year they have ignored us. | 16:32 |
| johnsom | Sorry, fourth cycle, not yer. | 16:33 |
| rm_work | and jroll | 16:33 |
| johnsom | Anyway, even though the survey has already been advertised and we likely will not get many responses for 2019, my question for the team is what do we want to ask? | 16:33 |
| mugsie | johnsom: unfortunately we are not in control of that survey - it is the UC | 16:34 |
| johnsom | The question we had wanted to ask prior to the neutron-lbaas retirement this year was "What load balancing providers are you using?" | 16:34 |
| cgoncalves | two questions? 1) most wanted new features, 2) Most wanted provider drivers | 16:34 |
| johnsom | mugsie It's all foundation folks from the e-mail chain. | 16:34 |
| mugsie | damn | 16:35 |
| johnsom | cgoncalves +1 | 16:35 |
| johnsom | Anyone else have input? | 16:36 |
| colin- | personally i'd like to have a better sense of deployed scale | 16:36 |
| johnsom | colin- You can probably already get that from the 2018 survey. We are at least now listed as a project. | 16:37 |
| colin- | it's difficult to ascertain when we discuss complex topics if we're speaking figuratively/academically or from experience and getting a better picture of how broadly deployed octavia is (vexxhost for example?) would help me understand how unique our problems are | 16:37 |
| colin- | just trying to offer some feedback | 16:37 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/analytics | 16:37 |
| johnsom | Yep, I understand | 16:37 |
| colin- | so a question that informs that would help me. will review the analytics thanks | 16:37 |
| johnsom | From a quick glance at the 2018 survey, 13% of deployments have octavia in production. | 16:38 |
| johnsom | I would have to spend some time with the tool to map that to compute cores for example. | 16:38 |
| johnsom | I am in favor of the two questions cgoncalves asked. | 16:39 |
| rm_work | yep | 16:40 |
| johnsom | rm_work do you want to vote on this or ??? | 16:40 |
| rm_work | do we need to? | 16:41 |
| johnsom | Probably not. | 16:41 |
| rm_work | I haven't seen any disagreement | 16:41 |
| johnsom | rm_work Do you want to reply to the mailing list with the questions? | 16:41 |
| rm_work | not particularly? :D | 16:41 |
| rm_work | do I have a choice? ^_^ | 16:42 |
| johnsom | Lol | 16:42 |
| johnsom | I can do it. I just thought it might be nice to have another voice from Octavia on the chain | 16:42 |
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| rm_work | you seem to be a good ML Liaison | 16:42 |
| colin- | perhaps cgoncalves could do so, as he posed the questions? | 16:42 |
| colin- | (sorry carlos!) | 16:43 |
| cgoncalves | I don't mind :) | 16:43 |
| * johnsom notes it is interesting, for queens deployments we jump to 29% in prod | 16:43 | |
| johnsom | cgoncalves Thanks! | 16:43 |
| colin- | johnsom: do i understand right that one copy of each octavia service and one VIP/listener/member would show up the same on that analytics page as a deployment 1000x that size? | 16:43 |
| johnsom | Correct | 16:44 |
| colin- | thx | 16:44 |
| johnsom | It's per-cloud, not instance | 16:44 |
| rm_work | ok so | 16:45 |
| rm_work | #action cgoncalves reply to ML user survey email with octavia questions | 16:45 |
| rm_work | can probably move on | 16:46 |
| rm_work | I didn't have anything else, and wiki didn't have anything, so | 16:46 |
| rm_work | #topic Open Discussion | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:46 | |
| johnsom | I don't think I have any other topics for today. | 16:47 |
| johnsom | Too much engineering via google docs for me this week | 16:47 |
| colin- | no fun | 16:47 |
| rm_work | yeah, me either | 16:49 |
| cgoncalves | 1. Which OpenStack load balancing (Octavia) provider drivers would you like to see supported? | 16:52 |
| cgoncalves | 2. Which new features would you like to see supported in OpenStack load balancing (Octavia)? | 16:52 |
| cgoncalves | +1/-1, comments, suggestions, ... please | 16:52 |
| johnsom | That looks good to me, +1 | 16:53 |
| rm_work | yeah just need to decide the options | 16:53 |
| rm_work | right? cause... doesn't it have to be multi-choice? | 16:53 |
| cgoncalves | good point. johnsom, do you remember how it was for the 2017 survey? | 16:54 |
| johnsom | These are fill in questions I think. Let's see what they say. | 16:54 |
| cgoncalves | ok | 16:55 |
| rm_work | ah | 16:55 |
| johnsom | I see in their e-mail about the 2019 survey opening a question from ironic ""What would you find most useful if it was part of Ironic?" | 16:58 |
| johnsom | So, open ended should be ok | 16:58 |
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| johnsom | rm_work Are we done with the meeting? | 17:01 |
| rm_work | AH yeah, we're at time | 17:01 |
| rm_work | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussions for OpenStack Octavia | Train PTG etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-train-ptg" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 8 17:01:47 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-08-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-08-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2019/octavia.2019-05-08-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| eandersson | Minor, but do we want to clean up things like listener_statistics ? | 17:02 |
| eandersson | It's growing very slowly, but I don't see any clean up logic. | 17:03 |
| johnsom | eandersson They are cumulative currently, not time series. | 17:03 |
| eandersson | Sure - not a big deal, but they are not cleaned up as part of a lb being removed. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Ah, this is true. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Frankly I think the whole stats code needs to be refactored (topic I had on the PTG agenda), but cleanup could/should be fixed. | 17:05 |
| cgoncalves | FYI, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006043.html | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | eandersson https://github.com/johnsom/stresshm | 17:10 |
| johnsom | updated | 17:10 |
| eandersson | Thanks - I'll give it a go again tonight. | 17:11 |
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| eandersson | I wasted like 2 hours trying to figure out why I couldn't push beyond 300 HMs. :p | 17:12 |
| johnsom | Hmm, I have done >2000 easy on my desktop vm.... | 17:13 |
| colin- | the fabled 14gbps node?! | 17:13 |
| johnsom | No, I wish | 17:13 |
| colin- | haha | 17:13 |
| eandersson | Without the ver issue I could easily push 2.5k | 17:13 |
| johnsom | The 14gbps was a R720 | 17:13 |
| johnsom | That said I am building a new home lab workstation this week, so I may be able to run that test local soon. | 17:14 |
| colin- | hopefully more space-conscious than the Dell :p | 17:14 |
| johnsom | Right now I have VM spread over laptops, etc. not ideal for perf testing by any means. | 17:15 |
| eandersson | I was re-building my 5 node lab yesterday, but a power outage destroyed most of my progress. | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Yeah. I was lucky enough to have access to a "real cloud" for the R720 tests | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Ugh, bummer. | 17:15 |
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| johnsom | More than space, I hope it is a lot quieter than a R720. lol At least quieter when I'm not running a stress test. | 17:18 |
| eandersson | I just got a bunch of Intel NUCs :P | 17:19 |
| colin- | 80 fans screaming at 400k RPM doesn't help you concentrate? | 17:20 |
| colin- | weird | 17:20 |
| eandersson | I used to have a bunch of supermicro servers (only kept one), but the wife didn't like it :D | 17:22 |
| johnsom | I just realized my new workstation will have 7 fans in it.... Luckily they are all thermal controlled. | 17:22 |
| cgoncalves | my wifi-only mini-minimal lab running :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/4D8qqZXQMvVRzPD1A | 17:23 |
| eandersson | I had to add a few more fans on my workstation and raise it up (because apparently carpet is mandatory in American homes?!) | 17:23 |
| johnsom | Pretty much, lol | 17:24 |
| eandersson | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzkfU3MUUAAqd9z.jpg <-- | 17:24 |
| eandersson | It hides the cheap DELL switches I use :p | 17:25 |
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| johnsom | Ha, yet another edge case I missed with host routes: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2005635 | 18:19 |
| johnsom | Host routes spread over two subnets on the VIP.... | 18:19 |
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| colin- | carlos the color of your desk messed with my vision for a second, couldn't sense depth hah | 19:41 |
| colin- | thought you had a carpet in a really weird size and shape | 19:41 |
| cgoncalves | colin-, heh! here's a photo of my office back back in Oct '18: https://twitter.com/carlospt/status/1052146040198041600 | 19:45 |
| colin- | fancy | 19:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia master: Force amp-agent communication to TLSv1.2 https://review.opendev.org/657901 | 22:47 |
| rm_work | I think this works ^^ | 22:47 |
| rm_work | not sure how to test it besides tempest scenarios | 22:47 |
| rm_work | (ie, they still work :D_ | 22:47 |
| rm_work | ) | 22:47 |
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