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openstackgerrit | chao liu proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard master: Add postinstall in tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/541533 | 03:30 |
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openstackgerrit | chao liu proposed openstack/octavia-dashboard master: Deprecated error method https://review.openstack.org/538885 | 06:06 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/octavia-dashboard master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/541555 | 06:13 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/octavia master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/541571 | 06:49 |
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openstackgerrit | chao liu proposed openstack/octavia-dashboard master: Deprecated error method https://review.openstack.org/538885 | 07:15 |
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openstackgerrit | zhouguowei proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard master: The pool has wrong translation https://review.openstack.org/541600 | 07:49 |
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mmdurrant | I'm making a mod to our lbaas driver involving project parent ID... getting the parent project ID requires asking keystone for the project and getting the ID as far as I can tell. Is there an easier way that doesn't involve making an API call? | 08:19 |
mmdurrant | I was kinda surprised it wasn't part of the lbaas object model but understand the need for compatibility between v2/v3 | 08:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Alex Stafeyev proposed openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin master: Adding healthmonitor create and delete functions https://review.openstack.org/540088 | 15:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Tuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/octavia master: Enable hacking-extensions H204, H205 https://review.openstack.org/539784 | 16:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia-dashboard master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/541555 | 16:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Fix release notes job https://review.openstack.org/541810 | 17:21 |
openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/octavia master: Update osutil support for SUSE distro https://review.openstack.org/541811 | 17:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Update zuul jobs barbican-tempest tripleo-elements https://review.openstack.org/541819 | 17:52 |
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johnsom | mmdurrant It is likely in the request context if you have access to that. | 18:34 |
johnsom | mmdurrant If you are looking for the user's project ID, it is in the context and passed through to the drivers. It may still be named "tenant_id" however as neutron has not fully moved over. | 18:35 |
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johnsom | xgerman_ nmagnezi rm_work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541810/ please review | 19:08 |
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nmagnezi | johnsom, will do | 19:58 |
johnsom | Your colleagues got it already. Thanks though! | 19:59 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, oh, i see it's approvied | 19:59 |
nmagnezi | yeah sorry :-) | 19:59 |
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johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 7 20:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi folks! | 20:00 |
jniesz | hello | 20:00 |
longstaff | hi | 20:00 |
cgoncalves | hi | 20:00 |
xgerman_ | o/ | 20:00 |
blake | hi | 20:00 |
johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
johnsom | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 20:01 |
johnsom | Queens RC1 will be cut today | 20:01 |
johnsom | Some zuul issues and late breaking library issues have delayed this a bit. | 20:01 |
nmagnezi | o/ | 20:01 |
johnsom | Currently I am waiting on a couple of release notes issues to get through the gates and then I will do the release. | 20:02 |
johnsom | As it looks at the moment, this will be our Queens release unless something major (bug wise) comes up and we decide we need an RC2. | 20:02 |
johnsom | Thank you to everyone that has been helping with the priority bug lists. We got a lot done. | 20:03 |
johnsom | The Rocky PTG in Dublin is rapidly approaching | 20:03 |
johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-ptg-rocky | 20:03 |
johnsom | Please add your name to the attendance (or not) list and add any topics you think we should discuss. | 20:04 |
johnsom | Also of note at the PTG, there is a proposal for a session around OpenStack releases, LTS, etc. | 20:04 |
johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127057.html | 20:05 |
johnsom | Many of us running OpenStack probably have an interest here. | 20:05 |
johnsom | I fully expect there will be a follow on session during the forum at the summit. | 20:05 |
johnsom | I should also announce that the PTL nominations are still open for a few hours. | 20:06 |
johnsom | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 20:06 |
johnsom | Any other announcements today? | 20:07 |
xgerman_ | CfP for Vancouver closing | 20:07 |
xgerman_ | link https://t.e2ma.net/click/6m31w/am5h7v/a2pgoi | 20:07 |
johnsom | Ah, yes, good call. The call for presentations for the Vancouver summit closes this week. | 20:07 |
* xgerman_ took that out of an e-mail | 20:07 | |
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johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=%2Fsummit%2Fvancouver-2018%2Fcall-for-presentations%2F | 20:08 |
johnsom | I have signed us up for a project update session. | 20:08 |
johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:09 |
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johnsom | As you have probably seen, I have been busy with last minute patch updates for the release. | 20:09 |
johnsom | I have also been looking at some of our gate jobs, working to improve the gate testing situation. | 20:10 |
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johnsom | I do have more work to do there, specifically about modernizing our tempest gates. However, this is work that will land for Rocky. | 20:10 |
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johnsom | I also took a hour or two to poke at the nova-lxd situation to see how that is progressing and if we could consider using it for gating. Initial tests are still showing some issues and right now I can't boot an amp with it. I'm looking at it as a side project, so I'm not setting any expectations. | 20:12 |
johnsom | My motivator is the gate hosts. Some of them are up to 19 minutes to boot a VM, which leads to tests timing out. | 20:12 |
johnsom | Any other progress reports to note today? | 20:13 |
* johnsom wonders if everyone is taking vacation while I battle the gates for our release..... | 20:14 | |
johnsom | #topics Octavia testing planning | 20:15 |
johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-testing-planning | 20:15 |
johnsom | We started this etherpad to talk about our gate testing situation. I hope we can move forward on this. | 20:15 |
johnsom | As part of my recent gate job cleanup I hit an issue that speaks to getting some clarity here. | 20:15 |
johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541001/ | 20:16 |
johnsom | Specifically around the API testing. | 20:16 |
johnsom | I split out the tempest API and scenario tests into their own jobs in preparation for additional tests to come in. | 20:16 |
johnsom | I also attempted to setup the API jobs to use the no-op drivers to speed the gate. | 20:17 |
johnsom | For those not familiar with the no-op setup Octavia has, we have the capability to enable no-op, or no operation drivers, that cause Octavia to not call out to the third party services such as neutron, nova, barbican, etc. | 20:18 |
johnsom | They implement our internal APIs and allow testing of the API without the penalty of interacting with outside services. | 20:18 |
johnsom | Currently our neutron-lbaas API tempest tests and our functional API tests run against these drivers. | 20:19 |
johnsom | However, the new tempest plugin API tests fail as they are attempting to attach a floating IP to the load balancer under test. | 20:19 |
johnsom | My question to the community is: should we be running the tempest plugin API tests against the no-op drivers, or should they be using live services? | 20:20 |
johnsom | Aside from that, I think our API tempest test should not be using floating IPs, I think that is a bug in the tests. | 20:21 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 20:21 |
xgerman_ | I think we should limit teh rela driver to as little tests as possible | 20:21 |
xgerman_ | especially API tests shouldn’t rely on the thing actually working… | 20:22 |
nmagnezi | +1 for not using FIPs | 20:23 |
johnsom | Yeah, I kind of agree. They still test our code paths, just stopping at the external service drivers. | 20:23 |
johnsom | It's the calls to nova that really slow down our test runs. By using no-op we can include many more tests per gate job before we come close to the timeouts. | 20:24 |
johnsom | Ok, please take some time this week to look at the tempest docs and comment on the etherpad about our testing strategy. We need to make a call on this soon as there is work going on with the tempest plugin. | 20:25 |
johnsom | #topic CLI for driver specific features | 20:26 |
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johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-drivers-osc | 20:26 |
johnsom | Last week I said I would contact some of the OSC folks to discuss how we expose admin commands that are driver specific via OpenStack client. | 20:26 |
nmagnezi | i was off for couple of weeks, but I remember this was mentioned 3 weeks ago | 20:26 |
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johnsom | Our vote was for "openstack octavia amphora failover" but I had concerns that I knew the OSC team did not want project names involved. | 20:27 |
johnsom | A recommendation that came out of it was "openstack amphora failover" | 20:27 |
johnsom | Removing the project name and/or "loadbalancer" all together and making it a top level "thing" | 20:28 |
xgerman_ | mmh, isn’t that confusing | 20:28 |
johnsom | So, if we loaded a OSC plugin for ADMIN management of amphora it would be "openstack amphora failover" | 20:28 |
johnsom | Likewise (total example off my head) F5 could have "openstack LTM failover" | 20:29 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, i was not around so I have to ask: why do we hate "openstack loadbalancer amphora" so much? | 20:30 |
johnsom | Thoughts/comments? | 20:30 |
johnsom | nmagnezi Not sure, rm_work? Others that voted that -1? | 20:30 |
nmagnezi | since we cannot use "octavia" (which I actually don't hate in this context) "loadbalancer" looks like something to think about | 20:31 |
xgerman_ | my main worry is that it ’s not clear what os Octavia specific admin functionality and what is mot | 20:31 |
nmagnezi | but again, I was not a part of the discussion up until now so I don't want to take the discussion backwards. | 20:31 |
johnsom | nmagnezi No worries, the discussion is still open (thus the topic), I am just bringing more information to the discussion from my conversations with the OSC folks. | 20:32 |
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johnsom | Hmmm, we might be light on quorum today.... Or people are being shy | 20:33 |
nmagnezi | xgerman_, fair enough. but I actually also agree your claim about the fact that it might be confusing ais actually more si | 20:34 |
nmagnezi | xgerman_, fair enough. but I actually also agree your claim about the fact that it might be confusing | 20:34 |
nmagnezi | sorry pressed enter before I had to.. :) | 20:34 |
cgoncalves | openstack harmony {loadbalancer, listener, member, pool} {create,delete,update} ? | 20:34 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, yeah.. | 20:34 |
xgerman_ | we are trying to prevent: | 20:35 |
xgerman_ | 1) Somebody tries that on a 3rd party loadblancer | 20:35 |
xgerman_ | 2) A 3rd party loadbalancer adds admin functionality to OSC and so things get really confufing | 20:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Fix release notes job https://review.openstack.org/541810 | 20:36 |
johnsom | To some degree there are concerns about name collisions | 20:36 |
xgerman_ | yeah, what I like to avoid is something | 20:38 |
rm_work | I actually like the concept of amphora as a toplevel | 20:38 |
rm_work | but | 20:38 |
rm_work | yeah it doesn't help us a lot for distinguishing internal vs vendor vs whatever | 20:38 |
nmagnezi | I'm not worries about the word amphora (here should be a placeholder for johnsom to grin) , but other drivers might collide with the naming indeed.. | 20:38 |
xgerman_ | or you have a list of top level objects from each LB vendor and nobosy can read that help | 20:39 |
johnsom | Yeah, tab completion would give a shorter list if it is under something as opposed to "openstack"... | 20:39 |
johnsom | Not sure that is a big factor though | 20:40 |
rm_work | so did they 100% nix "octavia" as a toplevel? | 20:40 |
rm_work | i figured we could schmooze and lobby at Dublin | 20:40 |
rm_work | and get it done | 20:40 |
xgerman_ | well, if we make amphora top level - does this make people think we are the amphora driver? | 20:41 |
jniesz | i think putting the vendor namespace directly under openstack is ugly | 20:41 |
johnsom | rm_work yes, the fact that congress is in there is a problem evidently | 20:41 |
johnsom | xgerman_ well, it would be the 'thing' the action would be against | 20:41 |
rm_work | jniesz: actually that is a fair point, if you consider us a vendor | 20:41 |
cgoncalves | rm_work: I also would advise against. the intent of the openstack cli is to be implementation-wise agnostic. openstack is about APIs | 20:41 |
rm_work | let me look at the list again | 20:42 |
nmagnezi | the way I see it, "amphora" as a top level thing is worse than "openstack loadbalancer amphora failover" | 20:42 |
johnsom | cgoncalves Yes, the api is /amphora so kind of aligns | 20:42 |
cgoncalves | openstack {equilibrium, harmony} as top level? | 20:42 |
johnsom | Ok, I guess not, our api is /v2.0/octavia/amphorae/{amphora_id}/failover | 20:43 |
jniesz | what about if vendor had multiple plugins, maybe networking and lb | 20:43 |
johnsom | We chose to put the driver in there | 20:43 |
jniesz | it would all go under openstack <ting> | 20:43 |
johnsom | We are down to 15 minutes in the meeting. Should we table this for next week and think about it more? | 20:44 |
rm_work | i don't mind openstack amphora | 20:45 |
rm_work | but | 20:45 |
rm_work | i liked the concept of somewhere to shove all the admin stuff | 20:45 |
johnsom | Yep | 20:45 |
rm_work | I guess `openstack loadbalancer <vendor> <thing> is ... maybe better | 20:45 |
xgerman_ | if that can be done | 20:46 |
rm_work | openstack loadbalancer octavia amphora failover | 20:46 |
johnsom | Ok, let's give some time for open discussion and come back next week. We can throw comments/thoughts on the etherpad. | 20:46 |
rm_work | openstack loadbalancer f5 something | 20:46 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 20:46 |
jniesz | rm_work:+1 | 20:46 |
rm_work | k | 20:46 |
rm_work | i'll give my vote to that | 20:46 |
johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:46 |
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cgoncalves | rm_work: -1 | 20:46 |
johnsom | Other topics to discuss today? | 20:47 |
rm_work | I think i gave it +0 before cause i had questions | 20:47 |
rm_work | cgoncalves: whyfore? | 20:47 |
nmagnezi | rm_work, why not just openstack loadbalancer amphora failover | 20:47 |
rm_work | because amphora are a vendor | 20:47 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: if there's nothing urgent we could discuss the o-hm vif | 20:47 |
cgoncalves | rm_work: too much vendor specific IMO | 20:48 |
rm_work | i mean | 20:48 |
johnsom | cgoncalves Sure thing | 20:48 |
rm_work | that's what we're talking about | 20:48 |
rm_work | we need to put it somewhere | 20:48 |
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cgoncalves | so re: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1549297 | 20:48 |
johnsom | cgoncalves I put some comments on the story/patch. I'm still struggling with the concept, so others should jump in. | 20:49 |
cgoncalves | i'm not sure it has got other cores' attention | 20:49 |
johnsom | cgoncalves I did note that we should use privsep instead of rootwrap | 20:49 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: neutron does not yet use os-vif but it is expected at some point in time they will | 20:49 |
johnsom | cgoncalves +1 I really would like others to join the conversation | 20:50 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: neutron would not be needed on the same host that runs the health monitor | 20:50 |
rm_work | i'm not quite sure i understand either | 20:50 |
xgerman_ | yeah, for me it would be helpful to see a proof-of-concept | 20:50 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: neutron would not even be required in the deployment if the driver is 'flat' | 20:50 |
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johnsom | So, help we with that. My understanding is the OS-VIF is glue code that hooks the neutron host networking to the nova instances. Basically all of the OVS/bridge/libvirt fun stuffs | 20:51 |
cgoncalves | xgerman_: that is what I have been working on. I uploaded a very very WIP to gerrit | 20:51 |
xgerman_ | ok, will take a look | 20:52 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: kind of. the documentation makes it sound coupled to nova and neutron but it is not | 20:52 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: all os-vif does is to make sure the network backend is configured as desired without being too explicit | 20:53 |
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cgoncalves | i.e. os-vif users would not need to know how to create switches and ports, and attach | 20:54 |
johnsom | My take (correct me) is this is an alternative to how an operator sets up the lb-mgmt-net, OSA does it with provider networks and VLANs, devstack does it with https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L316, some deployments just use routes. | 20:54 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: os-vif would be a single point place for that | 20:54 |
johnsom | Basically right now we leave it as an activity for the operator to setup. | 20:55 |
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cgoncalves | operator/installer | 20:55 |
johnsom | Right, same as neutron | 20:56 |
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cgoncalves | the network backend could be ovs, linux bridge, ovn, opendaylight, etc. there are too many to consider | 20:56 |
johnsom | It is super flexible, so hard to code up automation for it as there are a bunch of options. IMO | 20:57 |
johnsom | Right, or even none of the above | 20:57 |
johnsom | I guess what might help me is understanding what the octavia.conf would look like for this os-vif option. | 20:58 |
cgoncalves | all we would need would be an os-vif plugin which is expected to exist for major net drivers | 20:58 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: I think you can see in my WIP patch | 20:59 |
johnsom | Darn, just about out of time. I can chat after our meeting window though if you have time. | 20:59 |
cgoncalves | unfortunately tonight I cannot, sorry | 20:59 |
johnsom | Ok, we should setup a special IRC to discuss more maybe | 21:00 |
johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Welcome to LBaaS / Octavia - Queens priority review etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Queens-Priority-Review" | 21:00 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 7 21:00:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2018/octavia.2018-02-07-20.00.html | 21:00 |
cgoncalves | all we would need in octavia.conf would be 'plugin=ovs' for example and os-vif would take care of the rest | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2018/octavia.2018-02-07-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2018/octavia.2018-02-07-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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cgoncalves | and the integration bridge to attach the port of course | 21:00 |
johnsom | cgoncalves That can't be all... It would have to know the bridge, the local interface name, etc. | 21:01 |
cgoncalves | xgerman_, rm_work: FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536613/ | 21:01 |
rm_work | i still kinda feel like | 21:02 |
cgoncalves | johnsom: which local interface name? os-vif would create o-hm vif and attach to the integration bridge, whatever kind it is (ovs, linux bridge, etc) | 21:02 |
rm_work | a deployer can just... do what they want | 21:02 |
rm_work | why is it related to us | 21:02 |
rm_work | seems like a deploy detail | 21:02 |
rm_work | you're editing devstack stuff which *should* be totally irrelevant for a real deploy, it's just an example thing? | 21:02 |
rm_work | are you guys deploying with our devstack plugin? lol | 21:03 |
cgoncalves | rm_work: automation. same way we have octavia to create load balancers and such :) deployers would also leave without octavia... if they build their own mechanisms to CRUD :) | 21:03 |
rm_work | there's kolla_ansible | 21:04 |
rm_work | we use a lot of that mostly | 21:04 |
cgoncalves | rm_work: the intention would be to get rid of that function in devstack | 21:04 |
rm_work | but yeah, i am pretty sure deployers can use one of the real deployment solutions (triple-o, kolla/ansible, etc) or build their own | 21:05 |
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johnsom | My worry is ~40 lines (because it does both OVS and linux bridge) of script is becoming >450 lines of python code. | 21:07 |
johnsom | I want to make sure we are getting a benefit and keeping things simple/flexible for installers. | 21:07 |
cgoncalves | rm_work: triple-o sets up o-hm same way devstack does, and that is only for ovs. other installers would have also to implement their ways times # of drivers | 21:07 |
johnsom | I'm not against it, just still trying to get my head around it. | 21:08 |
cgoncalves | while we would add a bit of complexity to octavia, it would ease a lot the life for deployers | 21:08 |
cgoncalves | it would be something that would be run only during health manager service start | 21:10 |
cgoncalves | well, I gotta go now. we can discuss tomorrow | 21:10 |
cgoncalves | thanks for the good chat :) | 21:10 |
johnsom | Note, all three backend services need access to that network | 21:10 |
rm_work | i mean, any work you do there is definitely not going to help for my deploy at all, i'd still have to be doing my own thing :P | 21:11 |
rm_work | of which my own thing is ... boot HM VMs, attach to network, set up SGs | 21:12 |
rm_work | the ansible for that took about 30 minutes to write and is actually LESS lines that your patch <_< | 21:12 |
rm_work | *than | 21:12 |
xgerman_ | cgoncalves: I am running octavia in lxc containers… which get plugged by lxc/d — so how would that help me? | 21:15 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/541571 | 21:36 |
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mmdurrant | johnsom: When I read your response I said DUH with a capital D hahahaha - thank you! Not sure how I overlooked that., | 22:09 |
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johnsom | NP, happy to help | 22:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia master: Deallocate the VIP prior to deleting the amphorae https://review.openstack.org/541494 | 23:01 |
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