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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia: Adds tasks so that reverts set objects to ERROR https://review.openstack.org/372791 | 00:24 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Sorry for the late reply-- was mostly out sick today. What did you want to talk about? | 01:24 |
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| reedip | johnsom : ping | 03:15 |
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| reedip | johnsom : nm, got the response :) | 03:16 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff No problem. I'm working on the next revert bug fix and I'm seeing that our provisioning status code is incomplete. I want to share an etherpad and bounce ideas back an forth on how we want to handle provisioning status. Maybe tomorrow? | 03:21 |
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| johnsom | reedip Hi | 03:21 |
| reedip | johnsom : Saw your response. | 03:21 |
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| reedip | johnsom: the bug reported was invalidated for Neutron | 03:22 |
| johnsom | Ok, yeah, for things like that, don't hesitate to open a bug. Both the neutron folks and myself try to stay on top of those. | 03:22 |
| reedip | johnsom: I can make that bug valid, or file a new one. | 03:22 |
| johnsom | What bug number? | 03:22 |
| johnsom | reedip If I'm searching correctly I'm only seeing one neutron-lbaas bug from you and a bunch of FWaaS bugs. | 03:25 |
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| johnsom | Do you mean Trevor's bug? It's marked incomplete, but not invalid. That is just a "need more info" status. | 03:36 |
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| reedip | johnsom : yeah, trevor's bug. | 04:01 |
| reedip | johnsom, I think, we can open it based on the response yo gave | 04:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangyanxian proposed openstack/octavia: Fix a typo in amphora_flows.py https://review.openstack.org/372915 | 06:17 |
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| reedip | rm_work, sbalukoff, xgerman , njohnston, johnsom,johnsom_ , ihrachys : anyone there? | 09:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Add support to update members in LBaaS extension https://review.openstack.org/373135 | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valleriya Perelman proposed openstack/octavia: ACTIVE-ACTIVE Topology OVS-based Distributor Backend https://review.openstack.org/320422 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Valleriya Perelman proposed openstack/octavia: ACTIVE-ACTIVE Topology OVS-based Distributor Backend https://review.openstack.org/320422 | 12:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Valleriya Perelman proposed openstack/octavia: ACTIVE-ACTIVE Topology OVS-based Distributor Driver https://review.openstack.org/317629 | 12:48 |
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| xgerman | reedip here but they took my +2 powers so I have scaled back my reviewing | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valleriya Perelman proposed openstack/octavia: ACTIVE-ACTIVE - network driver related changes https://review.openstack.org/322494 | 14:18 |
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| ptoohill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172199/ | 15:59 |
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| ptoohill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371815/1 | 15:59 |
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| pglass | there is `neutron lbaas-loadbalancer-stats <cmd>` which seems to always return me no stats, when running octavia. there is another call to fetch listener statistics, which will return me some non-zero stats. | 17:30 |
| pglass | what is the difference between those two? | 17:30 |
| pglass | err, `neutron lbaas-loadbalancer-stats <id>` is what I meant | 17:31 |
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| johnsom | pglass Yes, Octavia tracks stats at the listener level where neutron-lbaas reports and tracks stats at the load balancer level. | 17:38 |
| johnsom | There is an open bug about aligning these | 17:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/octavia: Setup gate test scripts for Octavia https://review.openstack.org/371815 | 18:57 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff I would still like to get your input on our provisioning_status situation when you have some time | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Balukoff proposed openstack/octavia: Adding introduction and developer quick start docs https://review.openstack.org/232173 | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: How apropos! That's next on my list after the commit I just made. XD | 21:02 |
| johnsom | Sweet. | 21:02 |
| johnsom | So, we can start in IRC and if that gets too rough we can move to hangout | 21:02 |
| johnsom | I'm looking at how we are handling provisioning _status | 21:02 |
| johnsom | Specifically for situations when we have errors and revert. I'm trying to figure out what are the right objects to put into prov_status = ERROR when certain things occur | 21:03 |
| johnsom | The first thing I learned was we only have prov_status on LB and listener. We report it via the status call, but that is not stored on the other objects. | 21:04 |
| johnsom | So, riddle me this. If a pool update call fails and we revert. What objects should go into provisioning_status = ERROR? | 21:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Balukoff proposed openstack/octavia: Adding introduction and developer quick start docs https://review.openstack.org/232173 | 21:05 |
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| johnsom | My gut says it should be pool down, because the user scenario to resolve would be delete the pool and re-create. | 21:05 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I would think everything part of the associated load balancer. | 21:06 |
| sbalukoff | Hmmm... | 21:06 |
| johnsom | The counter to that is that all of those updates are basically listener updates due to our implementation. | 21:06 |
| johnsom | We can play with ideas here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OctaviaProvisioningStatus | 21:07 |
| sbalukoff | That's true. And we know that no matter the driver, everything associated with a given load balancer will be necessarily handled by one driver, even when we have flavors that allow tenants to select different implementations on the back-end. | 21:07 |
| sbalukoff | At a minimum, I agree that everything from pool down should go into error. | 21:08 |
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| johnsom | At the moment I am focused on Octavia driver implementation | 21:08 |
| sbalukoff | But given that we allow pools to be shared between listeners on the load balancer, a failed pool update may affect multiple listeners as well. | 21:08 |
| sbalukoff | (or pool-subordinate object) | 21:09 |
| sbalukoff | (-descendant. Whatever.) | 21:09 |
| sbalukoff | I mean... in the most common use case I can think of, people will generally have one listener per load balancer, and one pool per listener. | 21:10 |
| sbalukoff | So, failing to update, say, a member effectively affects everything up to the load balancer in the heirarchy. | 21:10 |
| johnsom | True. But do we want them to have to delete the whole object tree to recover? | 21:11 |
| sbalukoff | I guess, though-- what's imporant here is to consider what steps we are requiring people to do to recover from an error (assuming this is a temporary situation caused by something outside the tenant's control) | 21:11 |
| sbalukoff | Right. I don't think we want them to have to do that. | 21:11 |
| sbalukoff | Especially if it means their VIP inadvertently changes. | 21:11 |
| johnsom | Excellent point | 21:12 |
| sbalukoff | Is the only way to get out of an error situation to delete the object? | 21:13 |
| sbalukoff | We don't allow attempting an update when it's in error, right? | 21:14 |
| johnsom | Correct. It's delete of the error object only | 21:14 |
| johnsom | (well that is broken, but what I am attempted to fix here) | 21:14 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 21:15 |
| xgerman | I am seeing on HPE’s end fixes for “can’t delete a load balancer in error" | 21:16 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, I've updated the etherpad with what I think should happen on provisioning_status error. | 21:16 |
| johnsom | I'm leaning more towards having each top level object (pool, member, L7rule) have a prov_status. | 21:16 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I'm not against that. | 21:16 |
| johnsom | xgerman Yeah, there was a patch, but it's not complete and there is another bug, which I am working on. | 21:16 |
| xgerman | why am I not surprised... | 21:17 |
| johnsom | We have operating status to reflect it's operational status, and that will still update. This is really about the CRUD | 21:17 |
| sbalukoff | Sure, but you're definitely not in the state you expect to be if the operational and provisioning status are not both OK. | 21:19 |
| johnsom | xgerman step one is making the reverts do the right thing, step two is making the delete logic work right with it. | 21:19 |
| xgerman | +1 | 21:19 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, reverts that error and abort are probably not acceptable in any case. That leaves a lot of crap to clean up manually. | 21:19 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Yeah, an update member could fail, have prov status of ERROR, but the rest of the pool/members may still be fine | 21:20 |
| xgerman | OH (today by our beloved boss) “OpenStack runs a lot of clean up processes" | 21:20 |
| xgerman | after “if you need cleanup processes you designed it wrong" | 21:20 |
| xgerman | so +1000 for getting reverts working | 21:21 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Ok, yeah... so we need to be very clear that operational and provisioning status are completely seperate domains and therefore not be tempted to let their meanings overlap in what we do here. | 21:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, exactly. I don't like the "cleanup process" model at all | 21:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I am segmenting operation status to "mental ignore, handled by the health manager" and provisioning status is what I need to fix. | 21:22 |
| sbalukoff | So, let me revisit this list given that. | 21:22 |
| johnsom | revert errors, etc. don't touch operating status because they will just get updated anyway | 21:22 |
| johnsom | I think with my user hat on (I did run load balancers in a past life), each object should have a prov status. Recovery is deleting that object (and potentially down the tree). | 21:24 |
| sbalukoff | So, I agree with everything you have on that list, then, with the L7 stuff expanded to just mean "listener" | 21:24 |
| sbalukoff | Since really, the L7 stuff is just additional logic added to a listener (kind of like TLS stuff) | 21:24 |
| openstackgerrit | John Perkins proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Temporarily support two INTERFACE_DRIVER_OPTS https://review.openstack.org/364472 | 21:25 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff so adding an L7 rule errors, the user has to delete the listener too? Seems like just delete the rule should work as it will re-render the config | 21:25 |
| sbalukoff | Eh... you're probably right. | 21:26 |
| sbalukoff | Do we care that certain objects cannot exist outside their parent? | 21:26 |
| sbalukoff | Like, for example, you have health monitor affecting the pool provisioning status. | 21:27 |
| johnsom | Ok, I think I have an idea of what should happen. Are you comfortable with me running with it and commenting in review? Or do we need to discuss more? | 21:27 |
| sbalukoff | Presumably because health monitor cannot exist outside of pool. | 21:27 |
| sbalukoff | The same is true for members -> pool. | 21:27 |
| sbalukoff | (And the same would be true for L7 -> listener) | 21:27 |
| johnsom | Yeah, you delete the pool the members go too | 21:28 |
| sbalukoff | So, erroring out on a health monitor provision means you have to recreate the pool? | 21:28 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! Ok, I think I see what you're doing on the etherpad. | 21:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I don't think so. | 21:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, proposal two is where I'm heading | 21:29 |
| sbalukoff | Everything just affects the object you trying to manipulate... except the load balancer, which affects everything. | 21:29 |
| johnsom | Right. | 21:29 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, proposal 2 seems good. | 21:29 |
| johnsom | Ok. Cool. A bunch of work for me as we don't have provisioning status in the DB outside of the amp, listener, load balancer. | 21:30 |
| sbalukoff | The user is going to want to recreate whatever failed anyway. No reason they should have to recreate other / parent objects, eh. | 21:30 |
| johnsom | Which bugs me because the status tree is basically lying to users today | 21:30 |
| johnsom | Yep, exactly | 21:30 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 21:31 |
| sbalukoff | I think we did it that way initially because we knew how the haproxy implementation was going to work... and that was the only *effective* provisioning status we'd need to worry about. | 21:31 |
| johnsom | Yep, I agree. I just don't think it's the right user experience | 21:32 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed. | 21:32 |
| johnsom | Ok, off to code it up. Thanks for letting me bounce thoughts around with you folks | 21:33 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good! | 21:33 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig and dlundquist: I think I addressed your comments in my latest update to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232173/ | 21:38 |
| sbalukoff | This is the last one on the "slated for Newton release" etherpad we have right now, so it'd be great to get your eyes on the diffs there, eh. | 21:38 |
| sbalukoff | (Also, johnsom) | 21:38 |
| johnsom | Ok | 21:39 |
| johnsom | I might add these revert patches to the list depending on when I can post them. | 21:39 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep. I'm also still working on that basic cookbook I'm hoping to have something to show tomorrow or Thursday. | 21:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed openstack/octavia: Add quota support to Octavia https://review.openstack.org/360794 | 22:10 |
| TrevorV | That quota review is lookin good guys, take a gander if you have the bandwidth ;) | 22:11 |
| johnsom | FAILED (id=0, failures=314, skips=1) | 22:13 |
| johnsom | Opps, I guess I missed something with the data model update..... grin | 22:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia: Fixes a test order issue with image tag owner https://review.openstack.org/373552 | 22:49 |
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| johnsom | ^^^ Patch of shame... Simple fix to the image tag owner patch. It will not impact the gate hosts as it requires a configured octavia.conf when running the unit tests. | 22:50 |
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| sbalukoff | D'oh1 | 23:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia: Adds tasks so that reverts set objects to ERROR https://review.openstack.org/372791 | 23:40 |
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