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| nmagnezi | dougwig, ping re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286380/ | 08:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: WIP - Get Me A LB https://review.openstack.org/257201 | 15:27 |
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| TrevorV | johnsom xgerman dougwig we (community collectively) decided single-create needed to be a new endpoint right? | 15:34 |
| xgerman | this is slogan’s opinion | 15:34 |
| xgerman | blogan | 15:34 |
| TrevorV | POST to v2.0/lb_graph or whatnot right? | 15:34 |
| johnsom | I don't think the paint has dried on that | 15:34 |
| xgerman | I think dougwig as well | 15:34 |
| TrevorV | Alright, cuz I have a working neutron lbaas POST to /loadbalancers that supports the graph now... It exposed a bug in octavia though, so it doesn't "work" | 15:35 |
| TrevorV | :( | 15:35 |
| * TrevorV hasn't reported it yet, cuz he's a doofus | 15:35 | |
| xgerman | Well, loadbalancers would be my favorite ;-) | 15:35 |
| TrevorV | Its the thing that makes the most sense to me. | 15:35 |
| TrevorV | Buuut, I'll do what "we" want :D | 15:36 |
| TrevorV | I don't want blogan or dougwig dropping those big -2's on me | 15:36 |
| blogan | i prefer to drop negative deuces on you | 15:36 |
| blogan | xgerman: i was fine with it being off /loadbalancers/{lb_id}/cascade_delete, but if we're gonig to have a /lbgraph endpoint anyway, we may as well do it right and have it off that endpoint | 15:38 |
| TrevorV | I'm not sold on /lbgraph, if it makes a difference there blogan :D | 15:38 |
| xgerman | neither am I | 15:38 |
| blogan | well fwiw i don't think its the best way, but its consistent with neutron so its the "right" way | 15:39 |
| xgerman | I consider it confusing to have two endpoints returning a load balancer -- | 15:39 |
| blogan | lbgraph would be returning a lbgraph resource | 15:39 |
| xgerman | really, and how is that different then a load balancer? | 15:39 |
| blogan | load balancer does not include any of its children, lbgraph includes all the children | 15:40 |
| TrevorV | It would look like this: {'lbgraph': {'loadbalancer':{}}} | 15:40 |
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| blogan | if we called what we currently call load balancer a vip, then we could call lbgraph load balancer and all would be right in the world | 15:40 |
| blogan | but we didn't have the foresight to see that obviously | 15:41 |
| TrevorV | I'd like it recorded here that blogan was one of the main pushes to make the name "loadbalancer" in the first place, so now he's just going back on his original ideals | 15:41 |
| xgerman | I also think it’s confusing for people when you call Loadbalancer a VIP | 15:41 |
| TrevorV | pushers*** | 15:41 |
| blogan | i can admit when i was wrong | 15:41 |
| blogan | xgerman: but if the VIP only has VIP information, htne its not confusing, and thats essentially what the current loadbalancer contains, is vip information and a pointer to listeners | 15:42 |
| blogan | actually, it doesn't have a pointer to listeners | 15:42 |
| xgerman | listeners are a sub resource of a load balancer so it all makes sense | 15:42 |
| TrevorV | It has a flavor id blogan | 15:43 |
| TrevorV | you saying we have vip flavors? | 15:43 |
| TrevorV | HMMMMM? | 15:43 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 15:43 |
| * TrevorV loves the nit-ty gritty :P | 15:43 | |
| blogan | i'm saying if we had to do this all over again, i'd want load balancer be what we're thinking of lbgraph and have the flavor off of that | 15:44 |
| TrevorV | Where would the flavor go if someone didn't use the single-create? | 15:44 |
| TrevorV | On the listener? | 15:45 |
| TrevorV | Member? | 15:45 |
| TrevorV | Vip? | 15:45 |
| TrevorV | Hmm? | 15:45 |
| blogan | and in neutron-lbaas listeners are not a subresource of load balancers, at least not through the rest api | 15:45 |
| blogan | TrevorV: they'd have to use the single create | 15:45 |
| johnsom | pointers? We are re-writing Octavia in C? Awesome | 15:45 |
| blogan | that would be the only way to create a load balancer | 15:45 |
| TrevorV | Then why have other resources at all? Why not just have "/loadbalancer/id/listeners" etc etc? | 15:45 |
| TrevorV | johnsom is it awesome? I feel like we'd have a LOT more headaches ha ha | 15:46 |
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| TrevorV | I mean, don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to flex my C from school... However, DB integration in C, last I checked, was pretty bad... | 15:47 |
| johnsom | TrevorV I'm just showing my age | 15:47 |
| blogan | in this hypothetical api it would do that, but neutron folks don't like that | 15:47 |
| TrevorV | :D | 15:47 |
| TrevorV | Good thing we want to stay in neutron instead of being our own thing contacting Neutron right? Right? Right? | 15:47 |
| johnsom | Actually the C bindings for at least Postgres are pretty good | 15:47 |
| blogan | i dont think TrevorV has been paying attention to at least the last meeting | 15:48 |
| TrevorV | See, multiple things could make a "better" product for us. No neutron lbaas, splitting from neutron, renaming neutron lbaas LB to Vip, etc etc. | 15:48 |
| johnsom | blogan I hope you have something handy to throw at TrevorV. Nerf material optional. | 15:49 |
| blogan | yes, all things that can be accomplished, except the renaming to vip | 15:49 |
| xgerman | well, I also think splitting from Neutron should not be our priority. I am really excited about containers and bug fixes... | 15:49 |
| xgerman | then there is ACTIVE-ACTIVE... | 15:49 |
| blogan | johnsom: unfortunately i dont sit near him now | 15:49 |
| blogan | johnsom: however i did install an ejector seat into his chair... | 15:49 |
| johnsom | Docs, tests, bug fixes, then new stuff. I will consider supporting work that is in flight like the cascade stuff. | 15:49 |
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| TrevorV | Hey now, I haven't been trying to get us to focus on anything outside of replacing neutron lbaas with octavia. After that we can make the argument to split out, but that's not now nor near future. | 15:50 |
| blogan | xgerman: it can be done in small chunks, we're not going to be able to do it quickly, but we shoudl accomplish some of thsoe small chunks | 15:50 |
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| TrevorV | Definitely. Alright, to my original conversation before I went all pedantic and fought blogan for no reason :D | 15:51 |
| TrevorV | Should I put some effort into making it a diff resource 100% or are we okay with it being off /loadbalancers as it is? | 15:51 |
| blogan | neutron overlords want it as a diff resoruce | 15:52 |
| TrevorV | They should speak up and vote against me then. Just sayin. | 15:52 |
| blogan | they have, you weren't around for it | 15:53 |
| xgerman | those people again — they have done unspeakable things to REST | 15:53 |
| xgerman | I only saw there -2 vote | 15:53 |
| TrevorV | To be technically accurate, since we're able to do it in REST it doesn't actually make it LESS RESTful | 15:53 |
| TrevorV | the -2 vote I had on my review was to get into Mitaka | 15:53 |
| johnsom | Yes, I support working on small chunks towards that goal. | 15:53 |
| TrevorV | and it wasn't even ready for that | 15:53 |
| blogan | there were conversations in irc, in this very channel | 15:54 |
| TrevorV | In fact I barely got a clean run started last week with a loadbalancer/listener combo | 15:54 |
| blogan | and also that massive status spec | 15:54 |
| xgerman | If you call doygwig the Neutron overlord - then yes I remember and the endpoint was named xgerman/awesome or so | 15:54 |
| blogan | dougwig is a neutron overlord | 15:55 |
| xgerman | well, since he rules with an iron fist just call it dogging_made_me_do_it | 15:58 |
| johnsom | I think we should put proposals together, maybe etherpad, and have a vote. I'm open to doing the "right" thing | 15:59 |
| TrevorV | xgerman its fine, I'll make the change. Just interests me how we're a community that's run by a hierarchy. Can't do a vote and a fix, we gotta obey the veto-ers | 15:59 |
| blogan | johnsom: what does a majority of lbaas votes matter if it can be -2'ed by a neutron overlord? | 15:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: fix unit tests https://review.openstack.org/296718 | 16:00 |
| xgerman | way, to build a community | 16:00 |
| johnsom | Well, if the community votes, we overthrow the government | 16:00 |
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| blogan | there is no 2nd ammendment in openstack :( | 16:00 |
| xgerman | well, they are doing their convention in Texas… so | 16:00 |
| blogan | yeeeeehaawwww! | 16:01 |
| blogan | we gonna have ourselves a revolution! | 16:01 |
| xgerman | yeah, like the Alamo | 16:01 |
| blogan | then again, splitting out of neutron is just like the colonies splitting from england | 16:01 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:01 |
| blogan | teh alamo was a failure | 16:02 |
| TrevorV | blogan you sure about that? Neutron LBaaS actually doesn't provide sustenance or anything for Neutron though | 16:02 |
| TrevorV | Its not like us leaving Neutron actually breaks Neutron | 16:02 |
| blogan | colonies leaving england didn't break england | 16:02 |
| blogan | anyway | 16:02 |
| * blogan senses the long debate ahead and goes back to doing work | 16:02 | |
| TrevorV | blogan nope, but it "could" have, and definitely removed some of its influence | 16:02 |
| TrevorV | :D | 16:02 |
| TrevorV | I'll fight for that one. | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | FYI, we should now have a "docs" job in Octavia | 16:12 |
| dougwig | Are we having this debate again? | 16:12 |
| johnsom | Evidently | 16:12 |
| * dougwig has nothing new to add. Is heading back to Monday. | 16:13 | |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 16:43 |
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| rm_work | hey do ubuntu based amphora not actually use https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/etc/initd/amphora-agent ? | 16:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: fix unit tests https://review.openstack.org/296718 | 16:52 |
| xgerman | rm_work - nope | 16:56 |
| rm_work | kk thanks, didn't think so | 16:56 |
| xgerman | ubuntu uses https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/etc/init/amphora-agent.conf | 16:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: fix unit tests https://review.openstack.org/296718 | 17:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 17:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 17:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Banashankar k proposed openstack/octavia: Adding the topology info at the time of LB AMP association https://review.openstack.org/286365 | 17:47 |
| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 17:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 17:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 18:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aishwarya Thangappa proposed openstack/octavia: Fixes the SNI issues in master(mitaka) for octavia https://review.openstack.org/297480 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: fix unit tests https://review.openstack.org/296718 | 18:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 19:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 20:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 20:17 |
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| kong | hi, guys, what's your recommendation of the way to install Octavia with Neutron? I didn't see there is some puppet or ansible stuff for Octavia. | 20:25 |
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| rm_work | I think the beginnings of that are just now happening | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia: Updates to amphora-agent init.d script for Debian https://review.openstack.org/298424 | 20:26 |
| rm_work | we're all just at the point where we need to look at really deploying | 20:26 |
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| kong | rm_work: sounds good, any progress? is there any discussion or logs i can refer to? | 20:30 |
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| rm_work | i think a lot of it is starting internally and will filter upstream, unfortunately -- just due to the fact that there is no real upstream "deployment" | 20:31 |
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| johnsom | kong You probably want to track this: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/lbaasv2.html | 20:34 |
| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 20:36 |
| kong | johnsom: ooh, thanks for that! | 20:37 |
| kong | so, seems like we have to do that in Newton, right? | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Well, they have a mitaka playbook. I really haven't tracked their progress very closely. I'm not sure if is only for LBaaSv2 or if it includes octavia. | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Most folks I know are deploying it manually or via some home grown method. | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Follow the blueprint linked there and see where they are at. | 20:40 |
| kong | ok, I'll read it over, thanks johnsom | 20:41 |
| johnsom | NP | 20:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed openstack/octavia: Updates to amphora-agent init.d script for Debian https://review.openstack.org/298424 | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 21:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 22:23 |
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| reedip__ | blogan, johnsom,sbalukoff: If you guys have time, can you please provide your commemts to these: https://review.openstack.org/255093, https://review.openstack.org/295677, | 22:38 |
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