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| rm_work | johnsom: I may have a solution for the long amp-image build times -- involving not using a custom image... may do some work on that this week | 00:11 |
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| johnsom | rm_work Interested to hear details | 00:12 |
| rm_work | johnsom: got some extra info from our ops magicians and it looks like we may want to investigate not using a pre-built image for a multitude of reasons | 00:12 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I have been considering that too. It just deviates from the standard "DIB" way a bit | 00:13 |
| rm_work | but I THINK I can just set a base image ID (standard ubuntu or whatever) and use amphora_finalize to run ansible/puppet playbooks to configure the VM to our spec, and actually have it be faster *on boot* in production due to some cacheing stuff (at least in our deploys) | 00:13 |
| johnsom | So debootstrap? | 00:13 |
| rm_work | interested what your ops folks would say | 00:14 |
| rm_work | apparently base images are all cached (at least in our env) and others are not, and we can't easily just say "cache ours too", which means all the hypervisors would pull it on every boot <_< | 00:15 |
| rm_work | and using a spares pool, it doesn't matter much anyway | 00:15 |
| johnsom | cached from glance? | 00:15 |
| rm_work | plus if we leave SSH running that buys us a possible live-upgrade path (IF we ever decided we wanted it) | 00:15 |
| rm_work | yes | 00:15 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I think we cache on first load | 00:16 |
| rm_work | that'd be nice <_< | 00:16 |
| rm_work | we can't do that | 00:16 |
| rm_work | apparently :( | 00:16 |
| rm_work | but, regardless of whether you wanted to use it in production, having this upstream would allow devstack users (ie, the gate) to not build an image | 00:16 |
| rm_work | as it'd be optional | 00:17 |
| rm_work | not sure if i want to add it to the existing rest_driver or make a new driver, inherit, and override finalize there | 00:17 |
| johnsom | But devstack doesn't have base images | 00:17 |
| rm_work | we can download one | 00:17 |
| rm_work | and not risk having outdated agent code | 00:17 |
| johnsom | Which is what we do today | 00:17 |
| rm_work | i thought you rolled that bacl | 00:17 |
| rm_work | *back | 00:17 |
| rm_work | it looks to me like we build | 00:18 |
| rm_work | ? | 00:18 |
| johnsom | no, the base image is an ubuntu cloud image | 00:18 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I don't have a "canned" image anymore | 00:18 |
| rm_work | ok, right | 00:19 |
| rm_work | sorry, misunderstood | 00:19 |
| johnsom | The nice thing about how we do it now with the gate is it will catch an package update breakage | 00:19 |
| rm_work | yes so instead of building an image based on the base image, we just download and install the base | 00:19 |
| rm_work | and then build up the amps at runtime (which I think should be slightly faster actually) | 00:19 |
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| rm_work | though for large test counts, I am not sure what the break-even point is | 00:20 |
| johnsom | Hmmm, I would expect it to be slower as there is so many modules to download and install | 00:20 |
| rm_work | so actually, i am not sure wtf DIB is doing, but it seems like it does just about everything 4 times | 00:20 |
| rm_work | like, it should take about 60-90 seconds to ssh in and install everything we need <_< | 00:20 |
| rm_work | but the build takes like 6 minutes | 00:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, most of it is download time | 00:21 |
| rm_work | not sure why it isn't caching | 00:21 |
| rm_work | i've told it to cache pip packages, still doesn't seem to be doing it | 00:21 |
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| rm_work | very odd | 00:21 |
| johnsom | It actually does it all local with loop mounts and chroots | 00:21 |
| rm_work | yes | 00:22 |
| rm_work | I also wonder about base-image boot time vs. our image boot time | 00:22 |
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| johnsom | The other thing that is a bit annoying is it pulls down the latest cloud image to get the updates, that can take some time. You can override that and point it at a local image if you want. | 00:22 |
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| rm_work | and whether I could actually set it up using a very minimal base image | 00:22 |
| johnsom | Should be the same as they are both ubuntu | 00:23 |
| rm_work | I was thinking something ... uhh.... minimal-er | 00:23 |
| rm_work | than ubuntu | 00:23 |
| johnsom | Yeah. There certainly is opportunity there. | 00:23 |
| rm_work | like maybe http://www.alpinelinux.org/ | 00:23 |
| rm_work | which is what bedis mentioned he uses for his haproxy VMs | 00:24 |
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| johnsom | Yep, something to explore | 00:25 |
| johnsom | Right now I'm looking at failover. I just tried it and the replacement didn't come up. I'm worried that we broke it somehow recently. | 00:26 |
| rm_work | :)( | 00:26 |
| johnsom | list | 00:26 |
| rm_work | err | 00:26 |
| rm_work | :( | 00:26 |
| johnsom | Just a single topology LB, forced failover, booted, but can't talk to it | 00:30 |
| rm_work | :( | 00:30 |
| johnsom | hacking the libvirt disk to see if I can get a serial console | 00:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 00:34 |
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| rm_work | where the heck do the amphora DIB elements live?!? | 00:40 |
| johnsom | octavia/elements | 00:40 |
| rm_work | ah | 00:40 |
| johnsom | https://github.com/openstack/octavia/tree/master/elements | 00:40 |
| rm_work | yeah found it | 00:40 |
| rm_work | i was expecting it to be IN the discimage-create folder | 00:41 |
| rm_work | wow, our requirements for installing the agent are the FULL reqs? | 00:43 |
| rm_work | T_T | 00:43 |
| johnsom | Well, we didn't (yet) split the agent into it's own rep | 00:43 |
| johnsom | repo | 00:43 |
| rm_work | :( | 00:44 |
| rm_work | i feel like we could still split it out with its own reqs and setup.py? or is that not possible | 00:44 |
| rm_work | anywho, not my biggest concern right now | 00:44 |
| johnsom | Certainly possible, probably the right thing to do, just effort | 00:45 |
| rm_work | yep, as with all of this | 00:54 |
| sbalukoff | I would be very much in favor of stuff which allows us to minimize the image, eh. | 01:03 |
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| johnsom | Ah, hmm, so maybe failover isn't broken, but my o-hm0 interface lost it's IP | 01:05 |
| johnsom | Hmm, ok, probably because I'm running 10 dhclient on that interface. | 01:06 |
| johnsom | I think we are missing a cleanup step for devstack | 01:06 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that was the issue. | 01:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia: Fix devstack plugin clean of o-hm0 https://review.openstack.org/292667 | 01:18 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff FYI, you patch that disables the DNS resolver in the amp. It also blocks the ubuntu "pollinate" entropy service. | 01:20 |
| johnsom | Not sure how much it was used/was accessible, but it's a potential side effect. | 01:20 |
| sbalukoff | Hmmm.... | 01:21 |
| johnsom | That might be slowing down boots too. I suspect there is a way to solve this with cloud-init/config drive or something | 01:21 |
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| rm_work | hmm, alpine may be somewhat difficult | 01:52 |
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| rm_work | haproxy is there but getting all the reqs built/installed is a problem | 01:52 |
| rm_work | (for the agent) | 01:52 |
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| buttercup | hi everyone, I am working on the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556530 | 04:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556530 in neutron "neutron-lbaas needs a scenario test covering status query when health monitor is admin-state-up=False" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sana Khan (sana.khan) | 04:29 |
| buttercup | I have a question, the test cases that I add will be validating pool_status for each data_models ? | 04:30 |
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| buttercup | or only for data_models.HealthMonitor : https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/neutron_lbaas/services/loadbalancer/plugin.py#L1263-L1265 | 04:37 |
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| fnaval | buttercup: it'd be nice to validate all expected statuses for the entities involved | 05:16 |
| fnaval | perhaps going the data driven testing route might be a good way to get good coverage; here's an example: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/neutron_lbaas/tests/tempest/v2/ddt/test_health_monitor_admin_state_up.py | 05:17 |
| fnaval | may be able to just use that and then add a step to query the status tree. | 05:19 |
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| fnaval | hmmm.. after looking at the test; it seems that there is covereage; but not as a smoke/gating test apparently | 05:21 |
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| buttercup | fnaval: alright, I' ll try that | 05:45 |
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| rm_work | wtf are ubuntu's apt mirrors getting DDoS'd or something? | 07:10 |
| rm_work | trying from multiple regions to install stuff and getting BYTES per second speeds | 07:11 |
| rm_work | if I can even connect | 07:11 |
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| bharathm | rm_work: are you trying ubuntu-minimal with diskimage builder ? | 07:16 |
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| rm_work | yeah | 07:36 |
| rm_work | well, building the whole octavia amp image | 07:37 |
| rm_work | it's going at like 2kb/s connecting to archive.ubuntu.org | 07:37 |
| rm_work | or whatever | 07:38 |
| rm_work | archive.ubuntu.com | 07:38 |
| rm_work | i guess | 07:38 |
| bharathm | Cool.. Is there any significant different between ubunt-core and minimal ? | 07:38 |
| rm_work | not sure | 07:38 |
| bharathm | Yeah ? am going to try that in some time | 07:38 |
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| banszmar | Hello. I have a question to LBaaSv2 and ODL. I was trying with devstack both liberty and latest master, ODL beryllium, no luck. It didn't work. Are the neutron-lbaas tempest tests supposed to work only with Octavia implementation or also with ODL LB? | 08:39 |
| banszmar | I was trying also cli, I was not sure which commands should I use: the lb-* or lbaas-*? Anyway, lb-* were giving me 404 Not Found and lbaas-* were giving me "internal server error". | 08:44 |
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| bharathm | banszmar: Never tried ODL driver with neutron-lbaas. So cant answer your first question.. | 09:00 |
| bharathm | For the other one, lb-* is lbaasv1 and lbaas-* cli is lbaasV2 | 09:00 |
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| bharathm | and I believe ODL drivers are available for both v1 and v2.. So you can use the CLI with respect to the plugin and provider enabled | 09:01 |
| banszmar | bharathm: you say you never tried ODL driver with neutron-lbaas. Aren't the cli commands lb-* and lbaas-* implemented by the neutron-lbaas? | 09:23 |
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| bharathm | I meant to say that I never tried ODL driver for LBaaS. I have been working on Octavia and in the past haproxy-namespace driver.. So can't answer any questions on ODL.. | 09:36 |
| bharathm | However, from this https://github.com/flavio-fernandes/networking-odl/blob/master/networking_odl/lbaas/driver_v2.py , there seems to be a v2 driver.. | 09:36 |
| bharathm | banszmar: so if you have the service provider configured as above and with ODL installed, lbaas-* cli *ideally* would be able to send requests to ODL controller.. | 09:37 |
| bharathm | I suggest you try neutron --debug lbaas-* to see what's going on.. | 09:38 |
| bharathm | Sorry.. the right driver url is https://github.com/openstack/networking-odl/blob/master/networking_odl/lbaas/driver_v2.py :-) | 09:40 |
| banszmar | bharathm: Thanks a lot! I'll try. What do you think is working more likely: the master branch or rather the stable/liberty? And there is also neutron-lbaas feature/lbaasv2 branch... | 09:42 |
| bharathm | Both master and stable/liberty should work fine.. You can ignore feature/lbaasv2, which is the feature cut branch prepping for next release (Mitaka).. | 09:48 |
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| banszmar | bharathm: ok, thanks. | 09:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row and batch actions code https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 14:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row and batch actions code https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 16:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row and batch actions code https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 16:56 |
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| dougwig | banszmar: i can confirm that the tempest tests work fine against other drivers, so it should be a setup issue. | 17:29 |
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| rm_work | uhh, there isn't any case where "shared LISTENERS" makes sense, is there? | 18:15 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: It's hard to justify, yes. | 18:19 |
| rm_work | but we've opted to return a list of LB_IDs on a listener response? | 18:20 |
| sbalukoff | Oh-- I think that may have been because eventually it would be great to have a listener respond on both IPv4 and IPv6. But in hindsight, that would be a case of "multiple VIPs per load balancer" | 18:20 |
| sbalukoff | And, I think we wanted to leave the door open in case someone could justify the need for shared listeners. :/ | 18:21 |
| rm_work | hmm | 18:21 |
| rm_work | k :/ | 18:21 |
| sbalukoff | Otherwise, I'm not sure why we did that. | 18:21 |
| rm_work | no big deal | 18:21 |
| rm_work | just curious, seemed odd | 18:22 |
| rm_work | kinda late to go re-do it <_< | 18:22 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 18:22 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff, rm_work: what is this in regards to? | 18:23 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I don't know. rm_work just asked a question. | 18:23 |
| rm_work | [13:20:01] <rm_work>but we've opted to return a list of LB_IDs on a listener response? | 18:23 |
| blogan | ahh, i for some reason skipped over that | 18:24 |
| rm_work | it's just a little nonsensical | 18:24 |
| blogan | but yeah sbalukoff is right, it was more trying ot make it future proof bc we were thinking we needed shared listeners at the time | 18:24 |
| rm_work | and makes people (myself included) say "lolwat" | 18:24 |
| rm_work | "why is this not just lb_id" | 18:24 |
| blogan | that and the whole getting the first iteration of the v2 neutron lbaas api was insane | 18:25 |
| rm_work | heh yes | 18:25 |
| sbalukoff | Yes. The history behind that was ... tough. | 18:25 |
| blogan | if we ever do a v3, i have a lot of hindsight to make that 20/20 | 18:26 |
| rm_work | :P | 18:26 |
| rm_work | v3 is 2017 right? | 18:26 |
| sbalukoff | Hah! | 18:26 |
| blogan | mitaka-4 actually | 18:26 |
| rm_work | oh nice | 18:26 |
| rm_work | better get crackin | 18:27 |
| rm_work | k you answered my question tho, thanks | 18:27 |
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| blogan | i actually prefer not to have shared listeners, transforming the code to allow that will probably just warrant a v3 API | 18:29 |
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| rm_work | yeah i dont see the point | 18:33 |
| sbalukoff | Same here. | 18:34 |
| rm_work | ... are we still experimental? | 18:35 |
| rm_work | or no | 18:35 |
| rm_work | i assume not actually | 18:35 |
| rm_work | which means we can't break backwards compat | 18:35 |
| rm_work | damn | 18:35 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Wow-- you really want to get rid of that. XD | 18:36 |
| blogan | we are not | 18:36 |
| sbalukoff | Of all the errors we could have made in this, I think it's one of the least egregious. | 18:36 |
| blogan | 90% of users will use the CLI or the UI, they won't see that little blemish | 18:37 |
| rm_work | yep | 18:37 |
| rm_work | it's fine | 18:37 |
| rm_work | just annoying | 18:37 |
| johnsom | Alright folks, Octavia 0.8.0 release is in progress and the stable branch has been created. | 18:42 |
| blogan | that almost looks like 0.0.0 | 18:44 |
| blogan | whcih i'd support | 18:44 |
| johnsom | pessimist | 18:45 |
| rm_work | lol | 18:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 19:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row/batch actions https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 19:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row/batch actions https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 19:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Palm proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas-dashboard: Refactor row/batch actions https://review.openstack.org/292564 | 19:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed openstack/octavia: Update release notes for Mitaka release https://review.openstack.org/293120 | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | dougwig you are aware of https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/80cb57d5a10789105f08c6fa3cae900c8246f431 | 20:26 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Replace the os.open method with safer way https://review.openstack.org/288208 | 20:47 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: yes. what's up? | 21:05 |
| xgerman | well, they kicked Octavia out of the release | 21:06 |
| dougwig | xgerman: that happened in liberty. it's still the reference, so it still ends up needing to be packaged to make it useful. | 21:06 |
| xgerman | actually, the patch doing it was in M | 21:06 |
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| xgerman | read the description: https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/80cb57d5a10789105f08c6fa3cae900c8246f431 | 21:07 |
| dougwig | xgerman: i think it was just reflecting what happened in liberty though. mestery? | 21:07 |
| xgerman | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2PpOPLMb/ | 21:07 |
| xgerman | well, they are asking us to change the Octavia release message: | 21:08 |
| xgerman | we cannot say we are part of mitaka but only compatible with mitaka | 21:08 |
| xgerman | which is ridiculous | 21:08 |
| xgerman | and likely misleading... | 21:09 |
| dougwig | so, it can say whatever it wants, but lbaas doesn't work without it, so i don't think it'll be ignored. does it matter how it's labeled? | 21:13 |
| xgerman | not sure how much it might confuse people... | 21:16 |
| xgerman | but for us working on it we know what to do anyway so doesn’t matter | 21:16 |
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| dougwig | mestery: opinons? | 21:19 |
| dougwig | beyond that i can't spell or type. | 21:19 |
| johnsom | I added this mess to the agenda for tomorrow: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2016-03-15 | 21:24 |
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| xgerman | ok, that’s probably best | 21:26 |
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| johnsom | We need to decide if we want to apply for the new "stable" tag was well. I guess current stable projects will just get it dropped if you don't apply | 21:27 |
| xgerman | #startvote | 21:33 |
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| rm_work | #vote notyet | 21:43 |
| rm_work | lol | 21:43 |
| rm_work | maybe when we're stable? :P | 21:44 |
| xgerman | well, we are selling Octavia… so pretty stable | 21:45 |
| xgerman | rm_work another Q did you get anywhere with shrinking the image | 21:46 |
| xgerman | ? | 21:46 |
| rm_work | not yet | 21:48 |
| rm_work | i really want to get it working but time may be a factor | 21:49 |
| rm_work | haproxy installs on alpine but the amp agent won't start | 21:49 |
| xgerman | ok, I am planning to look into that as well. Ubuntu core is a POS in disk image builder | 21:49 |
| rm_work | requirements are a bit wonky installing | 21:49 |
| xgerman | oh, I never got alpine to boot in vmware | 21:49 |
| rm_work | i also tried with ubuntu-minimal and it looked like it might work but it just needs a few tweaks | 21:49 |
| rm_work | I am using virtualbox for alpine | 21:50 |
| xgerman | that failed for me as well —which version? | 21:50 |
| rm_work | but i also don't have a qcow for it yet, i was just testing using it as a livecd to see how feasible it was | 21:50 |
| rm_work | newest as of yesterday | 21:50 |
| xgerman | yeah, I wanted to do the same | 21:50 |
| rm_work | booted fine :( | 21:50 |
| rm_work | just set it as "Linux 2.6/3.x" | 21:50 |
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| xgerman | ok, it comes up after I selectd other/other | 21:54 |
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| xgerman | well, maybe I can figure that out | 22:04 |
| xgerman | now if only DIB would support alpine | 22:05 |
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| johnsom | neelashah Evidently the TC has a seven day waiting period on these governance patches, so it should merge tomorrow and we can release. I have everything in place to do it, just waiting on the patch. | 22:31 |
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