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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/268474 | 04:39 |
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| eezhova | dougwig, hi! could you please take a look at this scenario once more https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207945/ ? the bug in Octavia that blocked it is fixed now. | 09:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Remove commented-out import from test client https://review.openstack.org/267291 | 10:49 |
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| blogan | dougwig: pong | 21:02 |
| dougwig | blogan: does requiring a neutron subnet on members mean i can't use external ips? | 21:04 |
| blogan | dougwig: depends on how we handle if the users provide an external subnet | 21:05 |
| dougwig | so if i lbaas to 8.8.8.8 i have to provide a neutron subnet? even if the LB device doesn't need neutron plumbing at all for that path? | 21:06 |
| blogan | dougwig: how will a user know the LB device doesn't needt hat plumbing? | 21:07 |
| dougwig | blogan: that's the cloud operators problem, not the users. | 21:10 |
| dougwig | more importantly, why would the api not allow that use case? | 21:10 |
| blogan | i guess i was envisioning that the user woudl specify a public subnet for an external IP, but obviously that has problems | 21:11 |
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| blogan | but then so does not requiring a subnet | 21:12 |
| blogan | dougwig: there is a reason i made this bug, exactly what you're bringing up (and if the subnet was already plumbed) | 21:13 |
| dougwig | what are the problems of not requiring a subnet? if no subnet, no plumbing, you get what ip routing gives you, right? | 21:13 |
| blogan | dougwig: one problem would be 2 members on 2 different subnets with the same IP, edge case sure and octavia doesn't even handle that right now, we'd have to do namespaces to do that | 21:15 |
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| blogan | dougwig: the main problem we came up with at the midcycle was there were assumptions to be made by the user and operator, it does depend on the operator | 21:15 |
| dougwig | overlapping ips would obviously require a subnet as a hint. but there are lots more topologies than neutron -> lb -> neutron. | 21:17 |
| dougwig | blogan: ^^ | 21:18 |
| blogan | dougwig: i know, which is the main reason for this bug report, but the user providing a public subnet would also work for external IPs, it too requires assumptions | 21:18 |
| blogan | dougwig: i have no strong opinion about it honestly, i originally made hte bug because it seemed obvious, but after talking to epople about it i see that either solution would require assumptions | 21:19 |
| dougwig | blogan: yeah, it can be hacked around, by external and magic token, but seems unnecessary to require it, when leaving it off could accomplish the same thing. | 21:19 |
| blogan | dougwig: as in the need for documentation | 21:19 |
| dougwig | blogan: one thing we're dancing around is that so much is driver implementation depedendent. | 21:20 |
| blogan | dougwig: indeed | 21:20 |
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| blogan | johnsom, xgerman, rm_work, ptoohill: yall have opinions? | 21:21 |
| dougwig | no sbalukoff on that list? | 21:22 |
| blogan | oh yeah sbalukoff :) | 21:22 |
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| sbalukoff | I don't have a strong opinion on this. I think that not specifying a subnet implies that "default routing" should take care of things (at least, that's what I think the user will expect). | 21:25 |
| blogan | okay well then | 21:27 |
| blogan | 2.5 to .5 (since i'm halfsies) | 21:27 |
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| blogan | adn dont have an opinionated spine on this one | 21:28 |
| blogan | unlike the nova HA conversation | 21:28 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: +1 | 21:29 |
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| dougwig | of course, i believe that on the vip, too. but that's a different argument. | 21:29 |
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| blogan | dougwig: vip is kind of needed since a port needs to be created | 21:31 |
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| ptoohill | I dont have a strong opinon honestly. I would have thought it being optional was the right thing, but i missed some of that convo and am unsure of other potential issues. Though, it sounds like its something we can do, just requires a lot of assumptions. But, my thought and that is.. if those assumptions are properly documented, and there is a way around those potential limitations, i dont see an | 21:32 |
| ptoohill | issue | 21:32 |
| blogan | the problem with teh assumptions is they are kind of driver dependent | 21:32 |
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| dougwig | the octavia driver can also insist on it being set. but really the ip is a string token in an haproxy config file, and the subnet id controls whether a plumbing step happens, right? | 21:33 |
| rm_work | yeah i thought it was optional and that was that | 21:33 |
| rm_work | didn't realize this was still an issue | 21:33 |
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| dougwig | blogan flexed his -2 muscles. | 21:34 |
| blogan | dougwig: depends on how the topology was set up, it could be that the haproxy ip is a totally different neutron port | 21:34 |
| blogan | dougwig: i flexed my -2 muscles based on a midcycle conversation, granted ti was an impromptu conversation, but still | 21:34 |
| dougwig | blogan: if they don't specify a subnet id, it's the underlying infrastructures problem. | 21:35 |
| blogan | good thing i independently removed my -2 on that review so this discussion could happen | 21:36 |
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| dougwig | blogan: i hate you. | 21:36 |
| blogan | of course that discussion is happening here and not in the review unlike some little voice in my head said would happen | 21:36 |
| blogan | #startvote | 21:37 |
| blogan | damn, dougwig would have blown a gasket | 21:37 |
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| dougwig | too late, it's blown. | 21:37 |
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| blogan | well more people need to respond to the ML thread too! | 21:40 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 22:02 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 22:02 |
| sbalukoff | I'll have a look at the ML thread. | 22:02 |
| sbalukoff | YAY FOR SPENDING 4 HOURS OF MY DAY FIGURING OUT WHY THE IBM EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT TOOL WOULDN'T LOAD... | 22:03 |
| sbalukoff | I love the tools I am forced, kicking and screaming, to use here. :P | 22:03 |
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