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| johnsom | Rebasing fun | 00:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed openstack/octavia: Allow choice of upstart or sysvinit https://review.openstack.org/232294 | 04:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual https://review.openstack.org/230289 | 04:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: api tests: don't hide exception when creating load balancer https://review.openstack.org/234612 | 07:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed openstack/octavia: Allow choice of upstart or sysvinit https://review.openstack.org/232294 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed openstack/octavia: Allow choice of upstart or sysvinit https://review.openstack.org/232294 | 08:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Use noop octavia driver for minimal job too https://review.openstack.org/234633 | 08:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Enable debug logs for octavia in neutron gate https://review.openstack.org/234634 | 08:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Balukoff proposed openstack/octavia: Add spec for active-active with heat https://review.openstack.org/234639 | 08:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/234671 | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/octavia: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/233833 | 09:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Include alembic versions directory to the package https://review.openstack.org/234155 | 13:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/octavia: Adds scenario test https://review.openstack.org/182554 | 17:07 |
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| xgerman | dougwig, blogan: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-10-14 | 17:23 |
| xgerman | also might run late because of dentist... | 17:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | min wang proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Tempest tests for Health monitor using testscenarios https://review.openstack.org/230875 | 17:37 |
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| blogan | xgerman: ill start the meeting if you don't make it on time | 19:56 |
| xgerman | thanks | 19:57 |
| xgerman | just got back | 19:57 |
| blogan | xgerman: did they take all your teeth? | 19:58 |
| xgerman | no, but they always say pulling the teeth and leaving the hole is the cheapest option | 19:59 |
| xgerman | and then we start negotiating ;-) | 19:59 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 19:59 |
| blogan | xgerman: it is! but eventuall you run out of teeth | 19:59 |
| sbalukoff | Bah! Who needs teeth? | 19:59 |
| sbalukoff | I will get a robot to chew my food. | 20:00 |
| blogan | i dont, i let my mom chew my food for me | 20:00 |
| xgerman | well, cheapest option... | 20:00 |
| johnsom | blogan TMI | 20:00 |
| blogan | lol | 20:00 |
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| TrevorV | meeting minutes updated | 20:46 |
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| TrevorV | I feel like that should be on someone else to update... ha ha | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | I volunteered forever ago though, huh... | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | RIP | 20:47 |
| johnsom | Like one of those slacker PTLs???? | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | +1 | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | ok, every corporation has a president, vp, treasure, and SECRETARY -- | 20:50 |
| xgerman | so TrevorV you are doing an important job for Oactvia ;-) | 20:50 |
| xgerman | and are part of the leadership team | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:55 |
| johnsom | Summit hands-on-lab hangout meeting: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hpe.com/summit | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed openstack/octavia: Adding new network driver for containers https://review.openstack.org/197858 | 21:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Phillip Toohill proposed openstack/octavia: Updates for containers functionality https://review.openstack.org/199954 | 21:02 |
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| johnsom | Ok, invite should have been sent for the hands-on dry run. Let me know if it didn't go out. | 21:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/234671 | 22:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Enable debug logs for octavia in neutron gate https://review.openstack.org/234634 | 22:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: api tests: don't hide exception when creating load balancer https://review.openstack.org/234612 | 22:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Fix typo in test names for test_health_monitors_non_admin.py in API v2 https://review.openstack.org/226192 | 22:03 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: ping | 22:37 |
| sbalukoff | What's up, eh? | 22:37 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: your comment on this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214058/ | 22:38 |
| blogan | finally gonna fix the damn thing | 22:38 |
| blogan | but what test_delete_vip unit test are you looking for? | 22:39 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Awesome! | 22:39 |
| blogan | there isn't a delete_vip method | 22:39 |
| sbalukoff | Are we just assuming it gets cleaned up when the loadbalancer is deleted, then? | 22:40 |
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| sbalukoff | Or... do we need to add a delete_vip method? | 22:41 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: if its been delegated that octavia is responsible for creating, then yeah thats a safe assumption bc neutron-lbaas won't be ablet o delete it if its owned by octavia | 22:41 |
| sbalukoff | (It sounds like we might need to to be able to fully support VIP allocation delegation.) | 22:41 |
| blogan | well it oculd | 22:41 |
| blogan | but its better if octavia does | 22:41 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, I agree. | 22:41 |
| blogan | bc octavia knows how ti created it and how best to delete it | 22:41 |
| blogan | especially when it comes to pluggable network drivers | 22:41 |
| blogan | so yeah doesn't make sense for neutron-lbaas to do it | 22:42 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. If you're going to own it, you need to own it for the whole lifecycle. | 22:42 |
| blogan | im trying to think of a useful test where i can mock that it got deleted but then that goes into testing many functions which is less of a unit test | 22:43 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: ah i changed a db method that takes an arg, i can add a test for that | 22:43 |
| blogan | dur | 22:43 |
| sbalukoff | Right. The mock-up is rather involved. But we need to test the delete_vip method in any case, eh. | 22:43 |
| sbalukoff | aah. ok. | 22:44 |
| blogan | now to dive back into the janky "unit" tests i followed from v1 bc i didn't want to diverge too far from v1 | 22:44 |
| blogan | but now wish i just did it the right way from the beginning | 22:44 |
| sbalukoff | Hahaha! | 22:45 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah... yeah. I'm very familiar with the jankiness of those tests. | 22:45 |
| sbalukoff | (Given the work it took to get shared pools functionality working... which now can't be merged until I duplicate that work in Octavia...) | 22:45 |
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| sbalukoff | (So... that's gonna take a while. Especially given the fact that I'm pretty sure I'm going to be swamped with summit prep stuff until the summit...)_ | 22:46 |
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| sbalukoff | BBIAB... gonna make a sammich before this next meeting. | 22:47 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: yeah another knows the pain of the tests, we are but a few | 23:10 |
| sbalukoff | We bear similar scars. | 23:10 |
| blogan | so id like to help out some on the pool sharing in octavia, though i say that now im not sure exactly how much time ill get | 23:11 |
| blogan | there's a lot of things i watn to do! | 23:11 |
| blogan | but i also dont want to lose my sanity | 23:11 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 23:11 |
| blogan | or whats left | 23:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Include alembic versions directory to the package https://review.openstack.org/234155 | 23:12 |
| blogan | bc we do want to get octavia's api aligned with neutron lbaas's | 23:12 |
| sbalukoff | So, I've not really done anything on that on the Octavia side. But it actually wasn't that terrible on the Neutron LBaaS side of things. | 23:12 |
| blogan | i think it'll probably be a bit better on octavia side | 23:13 |
| sbalukoff | Only real complication is that Octavia's API is hierarchical, and we're changing that hierarchy somewhat. | 23:13 |
| blogan | things are separated a bit more, db, db models, api, api models | 23:13 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, that's really good! | 23:13 |
| blogan | yeah thats why i want to add the non hierarchal to octavia, so that it does both | 23:13 |
| sbalukoff | Yep! | 23:14 |
| blogan | and that way it'll be aligned with neutron lbaas but also have additional user friendly calls | 23:14 |
| blogan | and then we can possibly just drop neutron lbaas, thats my hope at least | 23:14 |
| blogan | needing 2 apis and 2 dbs to stay in sync sucks | 23:14 |
| sbalukoff | Well... | 23:15 |
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| sbalukoff | Neutron LBaaS is still useful as a vendor interface. | 23:15 |
| blogan | octavia's api has that ability too | 23:15 |
| blogan | api_handlers | 23:15 |
| sbalukoff | Since vendors are unlikely to do things the way we are as Octavia. | 23:15 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 23:15 |
| sbalukoff | I see... | 23:15 |
| sbalukoff | Huh... | 23:15 |
| blogan | i put that in just for that reason | 23:15 |
| sbalukoff | Sneaky! | 23:15 |
| blogan | probably needs some tlc | 23:15 |
| blogan | but the foundation is there | 23:16 |
| blogan | stevedore loaded | 23:16 |
| blogan | only one at a time though | 23:16 |
| blogan | so that woudl be a difference | 23:16 |
| blogan | won't be a simple, quick transition | 23:16 |
| blogan | but neutron-lbaas piggy backing off neutron's wsgi server isn't great either | 23:17 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 23:17 |
| blogan | the other option, which may be simpler, is to build a wsgi server for neutron lbaas and the octavia driver just pushes straight to the queue, and we drop the octavia api and db | 23:17 |
| blogan | but thats not much different than just using the octavia api | 23:18 |
| sbalukoff | So... that's actually a small point of contention I have on the active-active blueprint/spec: The IBM research guys were thinking we might not need an operator API, that we just extend the Octavia API and add auth checks for operators before exposing certain things... | 23:18 |
| sbalukoff | But if our aim is to supplant Neutron LBaaS entirely, then keeping a separate Operator API which just exposes Octavia-specific operator stuff starts to make more sense, in my mind. | 23:18 |
| blogan | yeah ive thought about that too, thats one way to do management calls, they're just all octavia | 23:19 |
| blogan | well thats my aim, i dont know how others feel about it definitively | 23:19 |
| blogan | i dont see the harm in adding management calls directly to octavia for now, and then when/if we ever made the switch to drop neutron-lbaas in favor of octavia api, just convert those to a management api | 23:20 |
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| sbalukoff | I could see it either way: In one sense, I like that Operators are the primary people controlling Octavia, and Neutron LBaaS will remain the primary interface that vendors work with. But at the same time, we are duplicating a bunch of shit to a pretty crufty code tree... | 23:20 |
| blogan | yep | 23:21 |
| blogan | i think the latter is the bigger issue than the former's benefit | 23:21 |
| sbalukoff | Probably. | 23:21 |
| sbalukoff | I mean-- other than dougwig, vendors tend to only want to do whatever is minimally necessary to write a driver and then they're done with it. | 23:22 |
| blogan | if neutron-lbaas just pushed straight to octavia's queue to the controller, would that be the same as only operators controlling octavia? | 23:22 |
| blogan | ha yeah, that is true, and radware too evgeny seems to be doing a lot with their driver | 23:23 |
| blogan | well at least adding features in the lbaas api for them to use | 23:23 |
| sbalukoff | You mean if vendors started hooking in in that api_handler feature of Octavia? | 23:23 |
| sbalukoff | Pretty much, yes. | 23:23 |
| blogan | no i mean if the octavia driver switched from calling the octavia api, to just pushing straight to the octavia queue | 23:23 |
| blogan | operators would still have to deploy those controller workers | 23:24 |
| blogan | and still own them | 23:24 |
| sbalukoff | Oh-- Evgeny is doing a lot, that's true. Though he's only contributed base code and radware driver code. He wasn't interested in updating the reference implementation. :P | 23:24 |
| blogan | i dont even know where iw as giong with this | 23:24 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah | 23:24 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 23:24 |
| blogan | ha well i cant blame him, hes got his marching orders | 23:24 |
| sbalukoff | Eh... I don't know that we'd want to blur the lines that much between neutron lbaas and Octavia. As long as they're separate entities, we should go through the 'front door' as it were and work through Octavia's API. :/ | 23:25 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: That is true. | 23:25 |
| blogan | yeah which is the reason i was for octavia having its api, but i guess the point i was attempting to make (very badly) is that if we dropped neutron-lbaas for octavia, it's really just dropping neutron-lbaas for the octavia-api, the controller would still be operator maintained | 23:26 |
| blogan | the fleet of controllers | 23:26 |
| blogan | the eventual fleet of controllers | 23:26 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 23:27 |
| blogan | how did we get to this point? | 23:27 |
| blogan | this started with a simple test question lol | 23:27 |
| sbalukoff | Though what you're talking about is likely to take a few release cycles to come to fruition. | 23:27 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i know | 23:28 |
| sbalukoff | Heck, it might take another 2 just for us to fully kill LBaaSv1 | 23:28 |
| blogan | but i think its still the best way forward | 23:28 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 23:28 |
| blogan | well i thnk 2 release cycles to even get neutron-lbaas deprecated | 23:28 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not against this, in theory, eh. :) | 23:28 |
| blogan | and i dont know what kind of hurdles or what not there'd have to be, if we kept the api the same | 23:28 |
| blogan | i'm also still wondering how we introduce multiple vips | 23:28 |
| blogan | many wonderings | 23:29 |
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| blogan | and i better pack up and go home, i wont be wondering why my wife beats me when i get in late | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Multiple VIPs? | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, keep the wife happy. | 23:29 |
| blogan | like an ipv4 and ipv6 vip | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 23:29 |
| sbalukoff | Yes... | 23:29 |
| blogan | sahre lbs! | 23:30 |
| sbalukoff | Well. if you want to talk about it at the design summit... heck, I'll have time. Only sessions I'm really interested in are my boss's keynote, and all the LBaaS / Octavia related stuff. | 23:30 |
| blogan | id certainly be interestdin talkinga bout, it wont get implemented anytime soon | 23:30 |
| sbalukoff | Though I'm starting to get pressure to look into ceilometer. I guess it sucks and they want me to try to help "fix" it? | 23:30 |
| sbalukoff | I don't think there's harm in talking about long-term possibilities. | 23:31 |
| sbalukoff | We all know none of this is set in stone until there's code written. | 23:31 |
| blogan | we use stacktach internally, its a stackforge project that i've been told is better | 23:31 |
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| blogan | but not openstack | 23:31 |
| sbalukoff | *nod* | 23:31 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, go home, dude! Chat with you later! | 23:33 |
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