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| blogan | ping rm_work rm_you | 04:00 |
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| blogan | nvm | 04:02 |
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| nvm | yes? | 04:05 |
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| rm_work | blogan: ? | 04:13 |
| rm_work | blogan: I have been waiting for you to get on steam | 04:13 |
| rm_work | you popped on for like 2 minutes earlier and then bailed | 04:13 |
| rm_work | lol dougwig | 04:14 |
| blogan | lol | 04:16 |
| blogan | oh dougwig and his shenanigans | 04:16 |
| blogan | rm_work: yeah i popped on and saw no one so decided to do some work | 04:16 |
| blogan | well trevor had just started | 04:16 |
| rm_work | blogan: i was online | 04:17 |
| rm_work | waiting for you to be online :P | 04:17 |
| rm_work | blogan: you going to play any tonight? | 04:17 |
| rm_work | oh is tomorrow sprint planning? | 04:17 |
| rm_work | T_T | 04:17 |
| blogan | yeah let me get to a stopping point | 04:17 |
| rm_work | no rush | 04:17 |
| blogan | "borrowing" some of your TLS lifecycle details | 04:18 |
| rm_work | heh | 04:18 |
| rm_work | go for it | 04:18 |
| blogan | you know seqdiag has a loop and alt? | 04:18 |
| blogan | though you dont know what condition the alt is on so its kind of useless | 04:18 |
| rm_work | err | 04:23 |
| rm_work | they do? I did not see that in their docs | 04:23 |
| rm_work | did you find better docs? >_> | 04:23 |
| rm_work | i'll revise with that | 04:23 |
| rm_work | lack of loop was annoying | 04:24 |
| rm_work | blogan: ^^ | 04:24 |
| blogan | rm_work: no i looked through the source code | 04:27 |
| rm_work | oh, I have been using this which is awesome: https://github.com/mhaig/vim-blockdiag-series | 04:27 |
| blogan | rm_work: they're experiemental | 04:27 |
| rm_work | markup for vim | 04:28 |
| rm_work | blogan: lol awesome, have to look through their source to see what possible syntax is <_< | 04:28 |
| rm_work | that's special | 04:28 |
| blogan | rm_work: well i was looking for something else, but found those along the way | 04:28 |
| rm_work | heh | 04:28 |
| rm_work | cool, i'll look tomorrow | 04:28 |
| blogan | couldn't find a condition statement though, so still have to use the separators | 04:29 |
| blogan | this amphora lifecycle management is already humongous and I still probably have double the amount left to do | 04:29 |
| rm_work | yeah | 04:30 |
| rm_work | it's not as compact as the websequencediagrams are... | 04:30 |
| rm_work | tons of extra space | 04:30 |
| rm_work | i may tweak with the styles a bit to see if i can cut down on the vertical padding | 04:30 |
| blogan | the seqdiag's arent taking up much space, its the text im writing | 04:30 |
| blogan | yeah there's edge_height, length with adn all that | 04:30 |
| rm_work | span_height | 04:31 |
| rm_work | i think | 04:31 |
| rm_work | default 40, maybe tune it down to like 15 | 04:31 |
| rm_work | lol | 04:31 |
| rm_work | and might turn off the annoying activation line thing | 04:31 |
| blogan | our gerrit bot is gone again | 04:32 |
| rm_work | T_T | 04:32 |
| rm_work | the one in THIS channel? yeah | 04:32 |
| rm_work | i noticed it didn't announce my new CR earlier | 04:32 |
| blogan | yeah | 04:32 |
| rm_work | https://review.openstack.org/131889 | 04:32 |
| blogan | alright rebooting | 04:32 |
| rm_work | what is yours | 04:32 |
| rm_work | ah you reboot? :P | 04:33 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130424/ | 04:33 |
| blogan | if csgo worked in linux i wouldnt have to | 04:33 |
| rm_work | doesn't it? | 04:33 |
| rm_work | i thought it did | 04:33 |
| blogan | the only game that doesn't | 04:33 |
| rm_work | T_T | 04:34 |
| blogan | cs, cs source do | 04:34 |
| blogan | portal, l4d, hl2 | 04:34 |
| rm_work | yep | 04:36 |
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| ptoohill | mornin | 13:59 |
| sballe | blogan: | 13:59 |
| sballe | blogan morning | 13:59 |
| xgerman | mornin | 13:59 |
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| sballe | blogan Should I just abandon the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127337/? and submit the sphinx stuff in a new gerrit review? | 14:00 |
| ptoohill | I know im not blogan, but if its easier that way it should be fine, otherwise updating the current one reduces the number of dead reviews to sift through. But thats just my opinion. | 14:02 |
| blogan | sballe: what ptoohill said | 14:09 |
| sballe | blogan: ptoohill : thanks I 'll see what's easiest | 14:11 |
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| dougwig | 1:40pm pod slot for lbaas? | 15:49 |
| dougwig | nvm, that's when contributor meetup begins | 15:50 |
| dougwig | 11:45am or 3:30pm? | 15:51 |
| dougwig | i'll grab 11:45am | 15:51 |
| dougwig | grabbed | 15:52 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:11 |
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| sballe | blogan: Can you point me to the link with the sphinx arch diagram you are working on ? | 16:53 |
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| sballe | ptoohill: Ping | 17:32 |
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| ptoohill | sballe: pong | 18:06 |
| ptoohill | We just got out of planning sballe. blogan and others are at lunch and will be back shortly if youre needing something from them. | 18:07 |
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| rm_work | WTB more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130659/ | 20:08 |
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| codekobe | Here is newer link on trove architecture | 20:38 |
| codekobe | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TroveArchitecture | 20:38 |
| codekobe | it is using a combination of methods here | 20:38 |
| codekobe | but essentially all communications is happening over a message bus | 20:40 |
| rm_work | "Conductor is similar to guest-agent in that it is a service that listens to a RabbitMQ topic." | 20:41 |
| codekobe | quick notes: http://pastebin.com/4PnBSLxz | 20:41 |
| codekobe | there is an mq topic for each instance | 20:41 |
| codekobe | pretty much eberything routes through the mq topic | 20:41 |
| codekobe | my pastebin has some links to different heartbeat code | 20:42 |
| rm_work | so pretty close to what we were discussing yesterday? | 20:42 |
| codekobe | but it essentially sends over a custom status for each db implementation | 20:42 |
| codekobe | not exactly like yesterday | 20:42 |
| codekobe | here are some of the differences | 20:42 |
| codekobe | the conductor doesnt take action on the out of date heartbeat | 20:42 |
| rm_work | yeah, i see that it adds to the DB and an agent acts on entries from the DB | 20:43 |
| codekobe | the conductor receives the heartbeat message over the instance's queue topic, and then persists that message to the datastore | 20:43 |
| rm_work | I am not sure if that is better or not | 20:43 |
| codekobe | and they have code `message_too_old` | 20:43 |
| rm_work | maybe | 20:44 |
| codekobe | that examines messages on the topic to see if they are newer than the last one saved | 20:44 |
| codekobe | since messages on topic may be out of order | 20:44 |
| codekobe | the topic does not appear to have any kind of limit in length | 20:44 |
| rm_work | yeah, not clear on why the topic needs to store all messages, as opposed to just 1 like we were talking about | 20:44 |
| codekobe | as they use this same topic to communicate things about backups etc | 20:44 |
| rm_work | ah | 20:45 |
| codekobe | so its used for more than just heartbeat | 20:45 |
| rm_work | are we planning to multi-purpose this mechanism? | 20:45 |
| codekobe | well, they also use the queue to execute tasks on the instances | 20:45 |
| codekobe | its all rpc based | 20:45 |
| codekobe | so initiating a backup or reconfiguration is all done by placing a task on the queue for the guest agent to pick up | 20:45 |
| codekobe | as opposed to having rest api on all agents | 20:46 |
| codekobe | the only real rest api is outward facing, and results in tasks being placed on the queue | 20:46 |
| codekobe | the taskmanager handles things like creating instances and attaching volumes, etc | 20:46 |
| codekobe | while the conductor listens for agent status | 20:48 |
| codekobe | another difference | 20:48 |
| codekobe | which we may or may not like | 20:48 |
| codekobe | all communication TO the guest agent, like "make a backup" is done on the queue topic named after the instance_id | 20:48 |
| rm_work | i mean, that's kinda what i was thinking for queue topic naming | 20:49 |
| codekobe | but all communication FROM the guest_agent is placed on a single topic that the conductor listens on | 20:49 |
| rm_work | the queue being 2-way is a little bit... >_> | 20:49 |
| codekobe | however, the only info sent back to conductor is status type messages | 20:49 |
| rm_work | makes some of the TLS security more complicated | 20:49 |
| rm_work | I'd still lean toward a single-purpose and highly optimized queue | 20:51 |
| rm_work | if queue is the way to go | 20:51 |
| rm_work | (only for the heartbeats) | 20:51 |
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| codekobe | so i'm not sure what we need to do to keep the discussion going | 22:14 |
| codekobe | Perhaps i can make a doc with multiple alternatives, we can review again, and then decide what i can put into a spec? | 22:14 |
| codekobe | and should i put all options into a work in progress commit? to allow comments there? | 22:14 |
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| xgerman | codekobe I will talk with the trove guys and get back to you | 22:17 |
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| codekobe | xgerman, sounds good, they may have some lessons learned | 22:18 |
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| ajmiller_ | blogan thanks, I think I found the jenkins problem, will be resubmitting shortly | 23:05 |
| blogan | ajmiller: its the period in the commit message, it happens to everyone | 23:05 |
| blogan | the first line in the commit message can't end in a period, the rest of the message can | 23:06 |
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| ajmiller_ | blogan, yes, I just ammended the commit and Jenkins is now happy | 23:09 |
| blogan | +2'ed | 23:10 |
| blogan | sballe fell in the same trap in her reveiw | 23:10 |
| ajmiller_ | thanks! | 23:10 |
| blogan | i really must go home now | 23:11 |
| sballe | My problem was the new line :) | 23:11 |
| sballe | blogan: bye | 23:11 |
| blogan | sballe: still have that period at the end of the commit message though | 23:12 |
| sballe | :) | 23:12 |
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| xgerman | ok, I approved Al's patch so trevor can move on | 23:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | blogan: hi there, i am in ;-) | 23:31 |
| blogan | SumitNaiksatam: welcome! | 23:32 |
| blogan | ok I am really going home now, i promise! | 23:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | blogan: thanks! | 23:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | blogan: alright, tc! | 23:32 |
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| dougwig | SumitNaiksatam: hiya! | 23:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: hi there! ;-) | 23:34 |
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