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| rohara | any octavia-minded peeps lurking that want to weight in on oslo usage? | 00:26 |
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| rohara | in the client, that is | 00:27 |
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| sbalukoff | rohara: I understand that oslo is the direction all of OpenStack is going. So, it probably makes sense for us to go there too. | 00:34 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: oh definitely | 00:34 |
| sbalukoff | Plus, I think we've imported the code for it into our repository already. | 00:34 |
| rohara | yeah sorry i should have been more specific | 00:35 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 00:35 |
| rohara | so what branch are you importing from? master? | 00:35 |
| rohara | what oslo branch, that is | 00:35 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig is the one who did the import; I'm not sure. | 00:35 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig, are you around? | 00:35 |
| rohara | ok i can check with him tomorrow | 00:36 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 00:36 |
| rohara | right now i imported some bits some 'master' branch of oslo-incubator and the rest from oslo.utils | 00:37 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: thanks. i'm going head out. chat tomorrow | 00:38 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: sounds good. | 00:40 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, I've read through the meeting minutes. | 01:01 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Thanks for stepping in to run the meeting at the last minute! | 01:01 |
| rohara | yes, thanks blogan | 01:02 |
| rohara | i lied, i'm sifting through the octavia code | 01:02 |
| sbalukoff | If anyone's still here, rest assured that the blueprint work I did yesterday was trying to be forward thinking (specifically, to nail everything we need to do or figure out to deliver v0.5). What I've added / changed was not meant to be set in stone at all, and people should feel free to change things as they see fit. | 01:02 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 01:02 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: we really want to cli in stackforge/octavia or start a new repo? | 01:03 |
| rohara | i see there is a client dir which i can only assume is for the code i've been working on | 01:03 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: I apologize for changing your blueprint. It wasn't my intention to offend and / or step on your toes there. | 01:04 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: I think the though was to keep it all in one repo. Do you foresee a problem with this? | 01:04 |
| sbalukoff | thought | 01:04 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: no, except we'll have to split it out eventually | 01:05 |
| sbalukoff | (We've also got specs and documentation in the same repo. Makes for an interesting tox config, but it works.) | 01:05 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: For packaging purposes? | 01:05 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: well that and it seems that is the norm -- eg. python-octaviaclient | 01:06 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, in case anyone else here is listening, I'll write down some thoughts as to blueprint management and process and will try to get these out tonight, in time for tomorrow's LBaaS meeting. | 01:06 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Right. | 01:06 |
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| sbalukoff | Who wants to download all of Octavia if you're just trying to build the client to interface with it, eh? | 01:07 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff Thanks, I would like to understand better our roles as "assignees". | 01:08 |
| rohara | yeah. i don't have a strong opinion, but i'd have to refactor a bit for the pbr stuff to work | 01:08 |
| rohara | johnsom_: same | 01:09 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Cool. For what it's worth, you have a lot of freedom there-- if you want to change things around, do so. I had forgotten there was a task list in the approved spec. And I marked your blueprint as started because drafting the spec is part of the process (and that has been done). | 01:09 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff I am still learning the blueprint process, so if I need to update things or am not setting the flags correctly, feel free to poke me | 01:09 |
| sbalukoff | My point in adding stuff was to have somewhere to mark down tasks that will need to get done before v0.5 is done, and it seemed appropriate for that blueprint (though I could definitely be wrong about that). | 01:10 |
| sbalukoff | Further-- | 01:10 |
| sbalukoff | The 'assignee' isn't necessarily expected to do everything in a given blueprint. | 01:10 |
| sbalukoff | (If we expect the asignee to to all tasks, we're going to run into a situation where some are overloaded because everyone is waiting on them, and others are blocked and idle.) | 01:11 |
| johnsom_ | Yeah, it is my hope as well that the blueprints track our work/progress towards 0.5 | 01:11 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: To be honest, I rather dislike the launchpad blueprinting tool. There are dozens of better tools available both in free and commercial products for managing a project like this. I would like to go to storyboard sooner rather than later... but I'm being told we can't do that yet. | 01:12 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: they're supposed to. | 01:12 |
| sbalukoff | Unfortunately, launchpad makes it really hard both to get a sense for how close we're coming, as well as what tasks are truly the most important things to be working on. | 01:12 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff Am I incorrect that the point of assigning a blueprint to someone is for them to take "ownership" of that chunk of work? | 01:13 |
| sbalukoff | (Really, I look at this and say, "Could they have made a worse tool for this?") | 01:13 |
| sbalukoff | And etherpad would be better. | 01:13 |
| sbalukoff | And I'm totally not joking about that. | 01:13 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Yes, more or less-- it's to indicate to others that you're working on it so we don't have wasted duplicated cycles. | 01:14 |
| sbalukoff | That doesn't mean others can't work on it too, but they should coordinate with the blueprint owner. | 01:14 |
| johnsom_ | From what I have seen, it is MVP. It seems functional and allows tracking of the basics. I agree it could be better and not much worse. | 01:14 |
| sbalukoff | Also, blueprint ownership should be transferrable, of course. | 01:14 |
| johnsom_ | Yes, that all sounds good | 01:14 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff Ok, I will likely make some changes tomorrow to re-align to the dependencies and tasks on the image builder. Ping me if you disagree with what I change. | 01:17 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Will do! Thanks for being proactive about this, eh! | 01:17 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff I had interpreted "started" as start of coding, which I plan for this week/early next. | 01:18 |
| sbalukoff | Nah-- I consider "started" to be "Someone is doing work on this" which could mean that specs are being written / evaluated. | 01:18 |
| sbalukoff | As opposed to not started = "nothing significant has been done on this so far." | 01:19 |
| rohara | what about writing specs? i'm guessing as blueprint owner for cli tool i need to write a spec soon-ish | 01:19 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Yes! | 01:19 |
| rohara | i'm doing cartwheels | 01:19 |
| johnsom_ | Hmmm, I thought the "definition" section tracked the specs and "implementation" tracked the coding. | 01:20 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Don't forget, sarcasm doesn't translate well to text. | 01:20 |
| rohara | haha | 01:20 |
| johnsom_ | Of course it is documented clearly.... Grin | 01:20 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: you seemed to translate it just fine | 01:20 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: You might be right in that that's how the tool was intended to be used by the people who wrote launchpad. But I didn't see it that way... :/ | 01:21 |
| sbalukoff | Of course, I'm not sure I understand what the people were thinking who designed this. | 01:21 |
| johnsom_ | sbalukoff Have a good evening and I hope your friend is better soon. I need to head out for the night. | 01:21 |
| sbalukoff | (I totally reserve the right to make jabs until the end of time. ;) ) | 01:21 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Thanks! I'll relay your well wishes once she comes back home. Have a good evening! | 01:22 |
| rohara | ok i need to do some research about writing specs, and the sofa seems as good a place as any to do this | 01:22 |
| rohara | have a great evening sbalukoff and johnsom_ | 01:22 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Have a good one, eh! A bit of advice: Totally steal someone else's spec and change it to say what you want. | 01:23 |
| rohara | done | 01:23 |
| rohara | :) | 01:23 |
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| dougwig | back | 03:21 |
| dougwig | holy novel, batman. | 03:22 |
| sbalukoff | I know. Someone got me talking again. Sorry. | 03:43 |
| dougwig | rohara: for posterity, i used neutron's oslo config/clone as a starting point. | 03:51 |
| dougwig | if anyone has lbaas meeting agenda items, please edit the wiki (and include your irc nick on the line) | 04:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Stop using intersphinx https://review.openstack.org/123971 | 08:20 |
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| dougwig | morning all | 17:47 |
| sballe_ | morning | 17:48 |
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| rohara | mlavalle: what happened with this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106462/ | 18:09 |
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| mlavalle | rohara: I debugged it together with the rest client. The debugged version is here: https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/7c49f53bdbcf889a86db | 18:58 |
| mlavalle | rohara: it changed significantly as a consequence of debugging. it works fine now | 18:59 |
| mlavalle | rohara: feel free to update your patchset with the debugged version | 19:00 |
| rohara | mlavalle: ok so nothing has been merged | 19:05 |
| mlavalle | rohara: no, it's going to take some time | 19:06 |
| mlavalle | rohara: but in the meantime I would update your patchset | 19:06 |
| mlavalle | rohara: if you want to play with it, first create a devstack following these instructions: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/DeployWithDevstack | 19:10 |
| mlavalle | blogan: is this still good: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/DeployWithDevstack | 19:10 |
| mlavalle | rohara: once you have the devstack up and running according to those instructions, deploy your updated patchset together with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106089/. The rest client in this patchset is debugged and works fine | 19:12 |
| mlavalle | rohara: if you get stck, ping me | 19:12 |
| blogan | mlavalle: i beleive so, not much has changed | 19:17 |
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| mlavalle | blogan: ok, i'll give it a try over the next few days with a scenario test | 19:18 |
| blogan | okay cool | 19:18 |
| rohara | mlavalle: thanks, i might not be able to get to it until monday, but i'll give it a spin | 19:23 |
| mlavalle | rohara: will be glad to help if you get stuck :-) | 19:24 |
| rohara | thanks | 19:24 |
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