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| TrevorV_ | Is anyone active right now? | 03:05 |
| TrevorV_ | blogan, sbalukoff, a2hill, rm_work, rm_you, ptoohill-oo? Bueler? | 03:06 |
| a2hill | ? | 03:06 |
| a2hill | you rang? | 03:07 |
| a2hill | TrevorV_ | 03:07 |
| TrevorV_ | hey man, I'm getting a silly error that I can't figure out | 03:07 |
| TrevorV_ | I finally got my machine at home to let me install a partition of linux (rather than just working with python in windows which feels like I should kill myself) | 03:07 |
| TrevorV_ | So, I'm trying to install requirements on the new OS, and its failing with this: | 03:08 |
| TrevorV_ | Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement oslo.config>=1.4.0.0a3 (from -r requirements.txt (line 26)) (from versions: 1.1.0, 1.1.1, 1.2.0, 1.2.1, 1.3.0) | 03:08 |
| TrevorV_ | For some reason, its saying PyPI doesn't have any other versions than that | 03:09 |
| a2hill | Ive ran into this error, dont quite remember fix though :/ | 03:09 |
| TrevorV_ | However, when I run "yolk -V oslo.config" which was a suggestion by a post online, it shows all the versions I could install, and it includes those and the requirement I need | 03:09 |
| a2hill | is it during rox tests? | 03:09 |
| a2hill | tox | 03:09 |
| TrevorV_ | No, just "pip install -r requirements.txt" | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | So I checked my versions of pip and virtualenv, which posts online said that could fix it by upgrading | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | Both are most recent | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | Idk what to do at this point | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | It wouldn't even install it from Git | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | I couldn't figure out how to get pip to do that | 03:10 |
| TrevorV_ | My next step was to pull down the source, but I really really really don't want to do that :( | 03:11 |
| TrevorV_ | blogan is apparently busy/sleeping right now (rare for him) because he's not answering texts/calls, so I can't get specific help | 03:12 |
| TrevorV_ | Its a requirement he had in our octavia requirements | 03:12 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm sure its supposed to be there and everything, that version specifically, but for some reason I can't find anything on how to update package listings or something like that | 03:12 |
| TrevorV_ | Just lost, and want to get some work done and "can't" | 03:12 |
| TrevorV_ | brb rebooting | 03:15 |
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| TrevorV_ | a2hill, did you remember anything else or am I SOL? | 03:19 |
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| TrevorV_ | Alrighty, I'll check with peeps tomorrow then | 03:24 |
| TrevorV_ | Lata | 03:24 |
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| a2hill | Sorry, got caught up. TrevorV_ I dont remember exactly what I did to fix similar issue. Are you running pip yourself and not via devstack? I think i remembering having to downgrade pip or something else because of a version conflict. Sorry for not being of much help :/ | 03:35 |
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| a2hill | or maybe update virtualenv pip install -U virtualenv | 03:40 |
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| dougwig | TrevorV_: to builds venvs. no need to hand install reqs | 03:55 |
| dougwig | tox, not to | 03:56 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig: its in a virtualenv that its failing :( | 03:56 |
| dougwig | Tox -r ? | 03:56 |
| dougwig | Pastebin error? | 03:56 |
| dougwig | as in, can you put the error in a pastebin so i can see it? | 03:58 |
| dougwig | no longer typing on my phone. :) | 03:58 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig: yeah, let me reboot into linux real quick and I'll hit you up on IRC again in a second | 03:58 |
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| a2hill | I was going to suggest tox -r but said it wasnt during testing | 04:00 |
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| blogan | dougwig: his pip's package index does not have the updated oslo.config for some reason, only has 1.3 | 04:00 |
| dougwig | the venv should build it's own pip infrastructure, including the index and oslo.config | 04:01 |
| dougwig | the error is something earlier in the chain, if that's breaking. | 04:01 |
| blogan | i told him to pastebin/gist the full error | 04:01 |
| blogan | i suppose he'll get to it | 04:02 |
| TrevorV_ | alright, what command would I run to first set up all the stuff required for the project? | 04:02 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm in linux now | 04:02 |
| blogan | have you pulled down octavia? | 04:02 |
| dougwig | cd blah | 04:02 |
| dougwig | tox | 04:02 |
| TrevorV_ | Just straight tox? | 04:02 |
| dougwig | you should just need bare python interpreters of the right version installed. | 04:02 |
| blogan | one worder | 04:02 |
| blogan | and tox | 04:03 |
| dougwig | apt-get install python will do 2.7, and google "ubuntu python 2.6 repo" for the place with that one. or appropriate place for your distro. | 04:03 |
| blogan | there's a good deadsnakes ppa that'll give all versions of python | 04:03 |
| blogan | throught apt-get | 04:03 |
| dougwig | but "tox -r -e py27" will flush out if there's something more fundamental broken. that'll just do the py27 env | 04:03 |
| dougwig | blogan: yeah, that's the first hit when you google. couldn't remember the name | 04:04 |
| blogan | how's it going TrevorV_? | 04:05 |
| TrevorV_ | lots and lots and lots of red | 04:06 |
| dougwig | btw, it works natively on a mac, too. don't need linux. | 04:06 |
| dougwig | unless your name is blogan. | 04:06 |
| dougwig | then you overpay for a mac and put linux on it. | 04:06 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm doing "tox -r -e py27" right now | 04:06 |
| blogan | dougwig I paid nothign for the mac! | 04:06 |
| dougwig | pastebin the error. | 04:06 |
| dougwig | tax doesn't own part of your soul? | 04:06 |
| dougwig | rax | 04:07 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig, he also doesn't use the mac side of mac... he put linux on it | 04:07 |
| blogan | you mean the rax soul tax? | 04:07 |
| blogan | TrevorV_: thats what he was talking about | 04:07 |
| TrevorV_ | http://pastebin.com/UW9w12yw | 04:08 |
| rm_you | hmm | 04:08 |
| blogan | you need to install the python-dev | 04:08 |
| rm_you | TrevorV can prolly guess what i'd tell him to try :P | 04:08 |
| TrevorV_ | rm_you, no one likes you get out of here | 04:08 |
| * rm_you reads the pastebin now | 04:08 | |
| rm_you | TrevorV: too late, you summoned me earlier :P | 04:09 |
| blogan | adam's like candyman | 04:09 |
| TrevorV_ | I only said his name once, doesn't count | 04:09 |
| rm_you | you said the words and i appeared | 04:09 |
| blogan | what word or words must be invoked for you to disappear? | 04:09 |
| TrevorV_ | word* I said one word*** | 04:10 |
| rm_you | "cool, got it working" or something to that effect | 04:10 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:10 |
| blogan | TrevorV_: is this the same erorr you've been getting? | 04:10 |
| rm_you | AH | 04:10 |
| rm_you | got it | 04:10 |
| rm_you | so | 04:10 |
| TrevorV_ | blogan, wut? | 04:10 |
| rm_you | this is ubuntu? | 04:10 |
| blogan | sudo apt-get install python-dev or python27-dev | 04:10 |
| blogan | i forget which one | 04:10 |
| TrevorV_ | I just did python-dev | 04:10 |
| rm_you | yeah you're missing other packages | 04:11 |
| rm_you | that will cause you problems, i had this same issue | 04:11 |
| blogan | probably some mysql package needed as well | 04:11 |
| TrevorV_ | Sweet, why doesn't it tell me other packages?!?! | 04:11 |
| rm_you | it does | 04:11 |
| rm_you | but they're buried | 04:11 |
| TrevorV_ | NO YOU DOES | 04:11 |
| rm_you | it's kinda lame | 04:11 |
| rm_you | err, yes also I do :P | 04:11 |
| TrevorV_ | Its still failing blogan | 04:11 |
| rm_you | sudo apt-get install libxml2-dev | 04:12 |
| rm_you | sudo apt-get install libxslt1-dev | 04:12 |
| blogan | different message? | 04:12 |
| rm_you | install those two | 04:12 |
| rm_you | and it should probably work | 04:12 |
| TrevorV_ | re-running tox -r -e py27 | 04:12 |
| dougwig | yep, what blogan said. | 04:12 |
| rm_you | it's a recursive deps issue | 04:12 |
| rm_you | again, i am assuming this is ubuntu, the package names are slightly different in debian | 04:12 |
| blogan | im sure it is | 04:13 |
| TrevorV_ | yes, its ubuntu. | 04:13 |
| rm_you | see line 349 in your pastebin -- literally the exact issue i've had before | 04:13 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm not carlos | 04:13 |
| rm_you | libxml2-dev and libxslt1-dev | 04:13 |
| TrevorV_ | I just installed those two | 04:13 |
| rm_you | remove your .tox folder | 04:13 |
| rm_you | and then try again | 04:13 |
| rm_you | it will need a rebuild because it ends up in a weird state | 04:13 |
| blogan | even with -r? | 04:14 |
| TrevorV_ | Man, you'd think these installation requirements would be in some file to be installed during a requirements installation in one swift motion or something. | 04:14 |
| TrevorV_ | o_0 | 04:14 |
| rm_you | hopefully should go better this time | 04:14 |
| dougwig | tox -r wipes it | 04:14 |
| rm_you | well, this same thing happened in barbican, i added those packages to their quickstart wiki page | 04:14 |
| rm_you | ah k never used -r | 04:14 |
| rm_you | i'll remember that | 04:14 |
| rm_you | always removed it manually :) | 04:14 |
| TrevorV_ | in this case its not "--recursive" | 04:14 |
| TrevorV_ | lulz | 04:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:14 |
| dougwig | useful to chuck a -r in there every week or so, since neutron changes so often. | 04:14 |
| rm_you | yep | 04:14 |
| TrevorV_ | 27 passed after rm_you 's suggestion | 04:14 |
| blogan | lol @ dougwig, still working in neutron | 04:15 |
| TrevorV_ | lulz | 04:15 |
| blogan | sucker | 04:15 |
| dougwig | haha. | 04:15 |
| * TrevorV_ never had to anyway... but was supposed to o_0 | 04:15 | |
| rm_you | TrevorV_: so it worked? | 04:15 |
| blogan | dougwig what airport you at right now? | 04:15 |
| rm_you | sweet | 04:15 |
| TrevorV_ | python2.7 did, rm_you | 04:15 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:15 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm checking 2.6 now | 04:15 |
| rm_you | the rest you can either use their repo | 04:15 |
| rm_you | or use pyenv | 04:15 |
| dougwig | sitting on my couch, though this friday i go to philadelphia, via chicago, houston, and detroit. | 04:15 |
| rm_you | i like pyenv but that's cause on OSX it's really the only good way | 04:16 |
| dougwig | eh? vent works fine on mac | 04:16 |
| dougwig | venv | 04:16 |
| blogan | ventrilo/ | 04:16 |
| dougwig | damn this dumbed down auto-correct dictionary, apple. | 04:16 |
| rm_you | dougwig: to get python2.7 / python2.6 / python3.3 / pypy / etc | 04:16 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig, what are you using for an IRC client? | 04:16 |
| rm_you | dougwig: venv doesn't do that :P | 04:16 |
| dougwig | rm_you: i'm using all of those with venv. | 04:17 |
| TrevorV_ | 2.6 worked fine too | 04:17 |
| rm_you | is venv != virtualenv? | 04:17 |
| dougwig | i did have to build my own brew package for py33, since brew is on 34 now. | 04:17 |
| TrevorV_ | now we all know 3.3 or whatever will fail, because shitty | 04:17 |
| dougwig | rm_you: same thing | 04:17 |
| rm_you | well right, you use virtualenv with them once you've INSTALLED them | 04:17 |
| dougwig | TrevorV_: because eventlet | 04:17 |
| rm_you | using pyenv | 04:17 |
| dougwig | oh, i see. i think i got them all via brew. | 04:17 |
| * TrevorV_ said that on purpose dougwig | 04:17 | |
| rm_you | virtualenv doesn't have a way to install python versions :P | 04:17 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:17 |
| rm_you | pyenv is a really clean way to install python versions without mucking up your system | 04:18 |
| rm_you | and keep them all under control | 04:18 |
| dougwig | blogan: hoping to avoid airports next month, as elk season starts oct 5th. | 04:18 |
| rm_you | when i tried using brew it absolutely fucked my system | 04:18 |
| TrevorV_ | brew was amazing while I was using it | 04:18 |
| rm_you | (with regard to python -- I use brew for everything else still) | 04:18 |
| rm_you | yeah brew is awesome :P | 04:18 |
| rm_you | not brew's fault that python packaging is so wonky | 04:19 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig, blogan may have died... or he's tending to baby | 04:19 |
| blogan | dougwig: do elk fly where you're from? | 04:19 |
| dougwig | brew with multiple pythons sucks when it tries to link them all, true. | 04:19 |
| TrevorV_ | HA HA HA | 04:19 |
| blogan | or is it a bunch of hunters coming in? | 04:19 |
| dougwig | blogan: no, which is why i don't want to be in airports. rule #1 of elk hunting: go where they are. | 04:19 |
| blogan | oh you'll be the hunter | 04:20 |
| dougwig | most days it's more aptly described as "hiking with a rifle in the cold". | 04:20 |
| blogan | how does elk meat compare to venison? | 04:20 |
| rm_you | tasty | 04:20 |
| dougwig | MUCH better. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | I miss elk | 04:21 |
| dougwig | none of the gamyness. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | the people who kept cows on our property used to drop by and give us extra elk meat they got from their hunting | 04:21 |
| rm_you | T_T | 04:21 |
| rm_you | very much miss some good elk | 04:21 |
| blogan | ive never had elk, i'd like to try it for sure | 04:21 |
| blogan | that is my one gripe about venison, too gamey, have to soak it in a brine | 04:22 |
| blogan | even then i can still taste it sometimes | 04:22 |
| dougwig | the biggest trick with elk is a) finding them, b) not panic'ing when you walk up to your dead one, realize it's the since of a hippo, and that you have to get it to your truck. | 04:22 |
| rm_you | eh then again i also like venison :P | 04:22 |
| blogan | so whats the solution for getting it to the truck? | 04:23 |
| TrevorV_ | Manual labor | 04:23 |
| dougwig | quarter it, then four 60-100 pack humps. | 04:23 |
| dougwig | it's a long day | 04:23 |
| dougwig | 60-100 lb pack humps | 04:24 |
| rm_you | cutting up a huge dead animal in a field in the middle of nowhere in the cold and wet is funtimes :P | 04:24 |
| blogan | ah makes sense, i suppose you may have to cover it up so scavengers (animals and people) don't take it | 04:24 |
| rm_you | glad i have not had to do it personally, my dad used to go do that for people | 04:25 |
| dougwig | usually i chuck my orange hat on its head. makes it more obvious it's not alive to others, and makes it smell like human, which is plenty on the first day. | 04:25 |
| rm_you | sounded not fun :P | 04:25 |
| dougwig | it's actually more fun in the cold/wet, because when it's nicer out, you end up butchering inside a swarm of yellow jackets. literally hundreds of them. | 04:26 |
| TrevorV_ | thanks for the help rm_you dougwig blogan | 04:27 |
| blogan | wtf yellow jackets up there are attracted to blood? | 04:27 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm off for the night. | 04:27 |
| TrevorV_ | See ya :D | 04:27 |
| dougwig | protein, yeah. you've never had them buzz your grilled food? | 04:27 |
| dougwig | TrevorV_: night | 04:27 |
| blogan | nope, i really haven't | 04:28 |
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| dougwig | it's texas. you probably six gun them out of the air. | 04:28 |
| rm_you | T_T | 04:28 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:28 |
| blogan | lol well I do kill any and all nests i come across | 04:28 |
| blogan | even deer hunting I don't come across them | 04:28 |
| blogan | granted it's just field dressing the deer and then tossing it into the back of a truck | 04:29 |
| dougwig | i must kill 20 nests a year. my house has a cedar shake roof, so it's like a candy store. and i'm allergic to the damn things. | 04:29 |
| rm_you | blogan deer hunts? I guess I should have guessed, since he lives in TX and owns a truck? ... wait | 04:29 |
| dougwig | yeah, gutting a deer has never had the same effect. skinning/quartering takes a lot longer, and exposes a lot more surface error. | 04:29 |
| rm_you | also, any Rammstein fans? I'll just leave this here: http://i.imgur.com/l7aWcEX.png | 04:30 |
| blogan | rm_you: awesome | 04:30 |
| blogan | rm_you: i gree up in the deer capital of texas | 04:31 |
| blogan | and grew up! | 04:31 |
| dougwig | whitetails, black, or mule deer? | 04:31 |
| blogan | whitetails | 04:32 |
| rm_you | we used to have deer running around outside our house... we didn't shoot them though :P | 04:32 |
| blogan | my uncle is saying he's been seeing some axis deer out there, but I haven't seen any | 04:32 |
| blogan | rm_you: was your house in the city? | 04:32 |
| dougwig | i've never gone after anything but mule deer (city boy growing up, only started hunting a few years ago.) | 04:32 |
| dougwig | rm_you: animals near your house are pets, not food! | 04:32 |
| rm_you | blogan: lol no, middle of the country | 04:33 |
| blogan | dougwig: god wouldn't have made my dogs so tastey if he didn't want me to eat pets | 04:33 |
| dougwig | we have a small herd of 15 whitetails in our subdivision. but we're the last sets of houses before the mountains, and we sometimes get mountain lions. (of course, we pretty regularly get those in town, too.) | 04:34 |
| blogan | mmmm mountain lion | 04:35 |
| dougwig | i never tasted it. any good? | 04:36 |
| blogan | lol i haven't either | 04:36 |
| blogan | i really haven't had many exotic meats | 04:36 |
| blogan | and i dont know if i'd consider that exotic | 04:36 |
| blogan | native exotic | 04:36 |
| dougwig | i regularly get stalked by them while hunting (i think they're playing), and we stumble across a lot of bears. but i've never hunted either. | 04:36 |
| blogan | i hope you're going out with others then | 04:37 |
| dougwig | eh, sometimes. i like hunting alone. | 04:37 |
| blogan | we have some mountain lions where I come from, but I've never actually seen one, just stories from my family | 04:37 |
| blogan | do see coyotes though | 04:37 |
| dougwig | unless it's a bad food year, they really don't want to mess with humans. | 04:37 |
| dougwig | and the bears are very direct, and i have a rifle, so they lose that equation. | 04:38 |
| blogan | black bears? | 04:38 |
| dougwig | yep. | 04:38 |
| blogan | oh you can just wrestle those, it'd be just like wrestling a baby | 04:38 |
| dougwig | only very rarely are there grizzlies this far west | 04:38 |
| rm_you | ok, we did used to shoot the coyotes that were in our yard | 04:39 |
| dougwig | usually we just yell at them. | 04:39 |
| blogan | i remember coyotes attacked my camp, and then my dog attacked them and saved my family. Then later we realized that dog got rabies too, so I had to shoot it | 04:40 |
| dougwig | blackies and cats are cowards. wolves are far too smart to mess with humans. | 04:40 |
| dougwig | i think you read that in a book | 04:41 |
| blogan | what book? | 04:41 |
| dougwig | old yeller | 04:41 |
| blogan | you mean my biography? | 04:41 |
| dougwig | i knew that had a blogan vibe. especially when the dog was writing load-balancing code for its master. | 04:41 |
| blogan | yeah, too bad disney ruined it and took that part out of the movie because it was too "unbelievable" | 04:42 |
| dougwig | they just weren't ready for pair programming yet. | 04:43 |
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| jschwarz | Hi guys! About 2 weeks ago we talked about a feature to allow per-haproxy process logging (ie. each haproxy's log will be written to a specific file readable by operators, etc). I finally got around to working on the patch for lbaas v1, and will be happy if you guys could take a look at it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119731/ | 14:40 |
| jschwarz | (morning to most of you, btw :)) | 14:40 |
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| blogan | ping jschwarz | 15:52 |
| jschwarz | morning blogan | 15:52 |
| jschwarz | how was your weekend? :) | 15:52 |
| blogan | it was good, yours? | 15:52 |
| jschwarz | calm and silent | 15:52 |
| jschwarz | What can I do you for? | 15:52 |
| blogan | well two things | 15:53 |
| jschwarz | shoot | 15:53 |
| blogan | first this seems more like a new feature rather than a bug fix, though this is one of those taht fall in the gray area | 15:53 |
| jschwarz | I agree.. there is much room for improvement, ie. later on we can design a REST API to show the logs like someone suggested earlier in the process | 15:54 |
| blogan | second, this will change current deployments to log to /dev/log by default correct? | 15:54 |
| jschwarz | but if the cores don't block it for lack of blueprint, I ain't gonna push it | 15:54 |
| blogan | well thats where the socket will be | 15:54 |
| jschwarz | blogan, it already goes to /dev/log by default | 15:55 |
| jschwarz | /dev/log -> syslog | 15:55 |
| blogan | ah okay good | 15:55 |
| jschwarz | it's actually 2 birds in one patch - the part which stops the spamming is like a one-liner and the rest is for the redirection | 15:56 |
| jschwarz | blogan, actually had a question for you | 15:57 |
| jschwarz | do you know if lbaas with haproxy currently works for ipv6? | 15:57 |
| jschwarz | (lbaas v1 that is) | 15:57 |
| blogan | jschwarz: never actually tested that out but I assume (and we know how assumptions play out) that if neutron can support it then v1 will too | 15:59 |
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| blogan | i don't remember seeing any kind of validation or code that would prevent it | 15:59 |
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| jschwarz | blogan, ok :) | 16:00 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, hi | 16:00 |
| markmcclain | jschwarz: hi | 16:00 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, how was your weekend? sorry to ambush you so early in the morning | 16:00 |
| blogan | jschwarz, don't be sorry, being ambushed is markmcclain's coffee | 16:01 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, regarding the haproxy-logging-thingy we talked about a few weeks ago, I finally got around to writing a patch which redirects the logs to the lbaas agent which will dump them to a file | 16:02 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, I added you as a reviewer since you're related to the original code (didn't want to ambush you into a patch without explaining what it's a about) | 16:02 |
| markmcclain | jschwarz: my weekend was good… how was yours? | 16:02 |
| jschwarz | seems like I ambush people a bit ^^" | 16:02 |
| markmcclain | blogan: haha | 16:02 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, calm and silent. seems like the gate is cleaned up finally | 16:03 |
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| markmcclain | jschwarz: sounds nice.. yeah the gate is finally back to normal | 16:04 |
| jschwarz | :) | 16:04 |
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| markmcclain | jschwarz: I should have some time to look at the review later today | 16:04 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, would appreciate it | 16:04 |
| jschwarz | anyway i'm off (7pm here) | 16:05 |
| jschwarz | nn guys :) | 16:05 |
| markmcclain | jschwarz: later | 16:05 |
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| dougwig | morning | 16:33 |
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| nealph | dougwig: new patchset up for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113396/ when you have a minute to review. Ping me with any questions! | 16:57 |
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| sbalukoff | jschwarz: Er... I thought that most work regarding lbaas v1 was essentially halted for the time being. Are you developing something similar for lbaas v2? | 18:07 |
| sbalukoff | (Also, apologies if someone else already answered this during my absence.) | 18:08 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: it should be added into v2 if it goes into v1 | 18:55 |
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| dougwig | sbalukoff: at the least, the bug fix should go in. but if you have questions, go put them on the review. | 19:01 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Did you see my note earlier about me visiting Boise this weekend? | 19:08 |
| sbalukoff | I'll be in town Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Not sure what the plan is (probably some campaign stuff?). But if you're up for it, it would be cool to go grab sushi or something, eh! | 19:08 |
| blogan | elk sushi? | 19:09 |
| rm_work | ooooo | 19:12 |
| rm_work | sounds tasty :P | 19:12 |
| rm_work | is dougwig in Idaho? | 19:12 |
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| blogan | yes | 19:14 |
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| a2hill | ello govena | 19:44 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Eating raw red meat generally isn't sushi. That's carpaccio. :D | 19:53 |
| rm_work | down here at Sushi Zushi they have some steak-based sushi that's pretty good, they sear it but it's still mostly rare | 19:57 |
| rm_work | then again sushi zushi is not a great sushi place <_< | 19:58 |
| rm_work | but it's the only one in TX i've seen steak sushi | 19:58 |
| rm_work | Marinepolis on 5th and Queen Anne (right below the space needle, woo) also does steak sushi sometimes | 19:58 |
| rm_work | (also known as Sushiland) | 19:58 |
| dougwig | rm_work: yep, i'm in idaho. | 20:02 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: that sounds great, except that i will be in philadelphia fri-mon. | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I see you're planning your trips to avoid me. | 20:04 |
| dougwig | yes, i looked into the future when i bought my tickets, just to give you an in-town -1. | 20:05 |
| dougwig | :) | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Oh sure, "seared" And actually, if you want a good seared steak sushi, I recomment "El Matador" from Japonessa on 1st here in Seattle. :) | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: ;_; | 20:05 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: :P | 20:05 |
| rm_work | will try Japonessa next time I come up | 20:05 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: your father's ad was entertaining, btw. he needs a different 2A message to have a chance, though. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: It used to be totally hipster. | 20:06 |
| rm_work | I used to *swear by* Marinepolis Sushiland, but lately... I feel like they have gotten a bit meh | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | 2A? Oh yeah, Adams county. | 20:06 |
| dougwig | heh, no. guns. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Is referring to counties by their license plate abbreviation just an Idaho thing? Does any other state in the union put their counties on their licence plates like that? | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | 2nd Amendment? | 20:08 |
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| rm_work | ah | 20:08 |
| rm_work | is your dad anti-gun? >_> | 20:08 |
| dougwig | well, we do refer to every bad driver as a being 2C (canyon county). | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yeah, he refuses to kowtow to the NRA, even though he's a proponent of gun ownership. :P | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yeah, I know what you mean. | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: We get 2C drivers here sometimes even. It's sad how accurate that stereotype is. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: He took issue with both the NRA's inflammatory politician survey. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Which has questions on it which might as well have been: "Are you in favor of the right of Americans to own any type of weapon they want, or are you in favor of letting American babies die at the hands of terrorists when they attack?" | 20:10 |
| rm_work | lolol | 20:11 |
| rm_work | yeah it's kinda sad how badly framed most of the political stuff is these days, so polarized | 20:11 |
| dougwig | the NRA swung radical just like the anti-gun folks did. i don't think either group represents the sane people anymore. | 20:11 |
| rm_work | either you hate babies or you hate women (with regard to abortion) | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Indeed. | 20:14 |
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| dougwig | man, if centurylink buys you guys, that'd be horrid. i can't even imagine a universe where "fanatical support" crosses the streams with the customer support nightmare that is CL. | 20:32 |
| blogan | i have no experience with them | 20:38 |
| blogan | or none that i know of | 20:39 |
| blogan | this will be my reaction | 20:40 |
| blogan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPcB3vWGO9k | 20:40 |
| dougwig | they provide DSL and phones here. i would rather open a vein and use my rivers of blood as a data conduit than ever deal with them ever again. | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yeah, Centurylink changed its name because Qwest had such an incredibly poor reputation. Clearly, it was the name that was the problem. | 20:48 |
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| rm_work | hey, could you guys look at this and see if it makes sense to you? | 20:59 |
| rm_work | http://i.imgur.com/4718EfV.png | 20:59 |
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| rm_work | like, I am not actually sure whether conceptually #5 should be in the LBaaS column >_> | 21:00 |
| rm_work | and if so, I should probably put LBaaS in the middle | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | If #5 doesn't go into LBaaS, where should it go? | 21:01 |
| rm_work | well, it's "LBaaS reading info from Barbican" | 21:02 |
| sbalukoff | Also yes, I understand the flow but the column placement is awkward. | 21:02 |
| rm_work | yeah | 21:02 |
| rm_work | I agree | 21:02 |
| rm_work | that's why I'm looking for suggestions | 21:02 |
| rm_work | I'll try another thing, sec | 21:02 |
| dougwig | logical flow makes sense; not at all indicative of where it happens. | 21:03 |
| rm_work | yeah | 21:08 |
| rm_work | working on it | 21:08 |
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| rm_work | this... doesn't necessarily look a whole lot better but | 21:08 |
| rm_work | I think it is more correct? >_> | 21:08 |
| rm_work | http://i.imgur.com/NRSQOTB.png | 21:10 |
| rm_work | still looks awkward, but I think things are "in the right place"? | 21:10 |
| rm_work | can fix up the spacing to make it look less dumb | 21:10 |
| rm_work | but was trying to get the idea out quickly | 21:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial migration for database structure https://review.openstack.org/114671 | 21:12 |
| sbalukoff | It might help if the steps went roughly vertically (ie. with diagonal lines downward to the next step), keeping the idea of columns to show which service is doing that step. | 21:12 |
| sbalukoff | (So 1 is above 2 is above 3 and so on.) | 21:13 |
| blogan | century link was Qwest? the telemarketing company? | 21:14 |
| dougwig | rm_work: i think that's much better. | 21:15 |
| dougwig | qwest was/is a telco. | 21:16 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: yeah, so just more spacing | 21:16 |
| rm_work | and don't ever put two things on the same line, even if they're in the same layer? | 21:16 |
| rm_work | I'll get on that | 21:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial creation of db models, modules, and tests https://review.openstack.org/116718 | 21:17 |
| blogan | nvm iw as thinking of west | 21:19 |
| blogan | west telemarketing | 21:19 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: http://i.imgur.com/0qQN8Bf.png | 21:24 |
| rm_work | dougwig: ^^ | 21:24 |
| dougwig | i like the 2nd better. | 21:34 |
| rm_work | dougwig: is the 2nd the newest one, or the last one? | 21:37 |
| dougwig | not the last one. | 21:40 |
| sbalukoff | Last one would work better with diagonal lines instead of orthogonal lines, IMO. | 21:44 |
| sbalukoff | Maybe also color-coding to show which actions are done by the user, and what are done by the system. | 21:45 |
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| blogan | maybe a paint-by-numbers version as well | 21:48 |
| rm_work | heh | 21:53 |
| dougwig | the good news is that we're off in aesthetics land, not questioning the content. | 21:57 |
| rm_work | sorry sbalukoff, i just don't like diagonals :P | 22:01 |
| rm_work | dougwig / sbalukoff: http://i.imgur.com/V0OLnIz.png | 22:01 |
| dougwig | what's your audience/goal? that last feels a tad busy. | 22:07 |
| rm_work | >_< | 22:12 |
| rm_work | This is going to the ML | 22:12 |
| rm_work | and also will be used when I talk to Keystone / Barbican people | 22:12 |
| rm_work | audience is technical | 22:12 |
| rm_work | also, if anyone has seen Frozen and plays TF2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSsYTj9kCHE | 22:21 |
| rm_work | ah, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxpOztDqiF3_UXI2M2hLSmVMQ2c/edit?usp=sharing | 22:29 |
| rm_work | there we go | 22:29 |
| rm_work | ah what | 22:29 |
| rm_work | doesn't let you view, nm | 22:29 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff / dougwig / blogan / a2hill: updated: http://i.imgur.com/fldU3OW.png | 23:22 |
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